Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #931: Parasitic Mimicry And Paranormal Possession With Nathan J. Gillis

Episode Date: October 11, 2025

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You'll thank me later. Real quick, very excited to bring our guest in. I believe he's been on before. I'm very excited to have him back. He's a researcher, a lecturer, an author, a podcaster. He's a man with many hats. Please welcome Nathan J. Gillis. How are you, brother?

Hey, man. I'm doing great. It's great to be on with you. It has been a long, long time, and the research has evolved since then, but I do appreciate the opportunity and the invitation to join you guys tonight. Did you wear a fedora in the past? I probably did, man. I probably did.

Yeah, yeah, you didn't have the beard back then. But it's great to have you back, buddy. I'm excited. Thanks, man. Old friends. So for those who may not be familiar with you or your last appearance, you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you. Yeah. So I am an experiencer and a researcher. My first encounter with whatever this phenomenon is occurred when I was eight years old in a haunted house. I witnessed a full-bodied apparition of a little girl. Once we moved into the house, that intelligence evolved. And I realized quickly that there wasn't a little girl at all. And then I would like wake up to conversations occurring above my head at nighttime. It's called direct

voice phenomena. But that was my very first introduction to this paranormal field from that point on, and I'm 37 now. So it's ever since that moment in my life, I've poured all of my time into researching what this intelligence is, rather or not it's a threat to our species and what it means for human existence. But you guys can find me if you want to. You can follow me on my Instagram page, and you can also go to parasymposia.com to sign up for my my platform but that's who i am everyone and uh i don't claim to have all the answers uh you know honestly being a researcher in this field nobody has the answers if anything we're we're getting better questions but uh that's that's who i am and that's where you can find me that's awesome um

that's some heavy shit to be researching you know like is it a threat to our species and you're like oh shit it is a threat to our species uh what you so you so when you were young this stuff happened to you and then it kind of kind of just like it became your calling you you wanted to learn more about it yeah absolutely I first of all just be very transparent with everybody I didn't want to be crazy right not that I am now right but even at that age of thinking like okay Nathaniel you're not losing your mind something is happening something is occurring in this home but that was that was what drove me and since then I've had this passion that's led me all across the world. I mean, I've lectured in England with some of the best

researchers in the field. And what's funny about this is like everybody I hang out with, they all have PhDs. I don't have PhDs. I just have like strong, really chronic ADHD. And so it's kind of like, I'm glad to be with them, but I'm always the least of my brethren. But yeah, whatever we're dealing with, and I've thought extensively about this, and I do have data to back this up, it's either parasitic or it's predatory. Oh, man, here we go. And we know that, by the way, it interfaces with our species. I mean, we're talking about entities that will blend into reality. They will don the mask of a deceased loved one. We have people that are being abducted by Jesus. And so I recently had a two-hour-long discussion with an ecologist, another PhD who he was talking about,

his research regarding biological entities in the oceans, and he said, you know, some of the most predatory parasitic entities we find are entities that desire to blend in with another species. And so I do believe that's what we're encountering with a phenomenon. And it's called parasitic mimicry, where in order to moderate human behavior, it will appear as something we would believe in, we have believed in, and that we would trust in as well. And so that's what I've been doing, my colleagues and I've been looking at just different cases, trying to understand, number one, what's happening, how can we counteract it, and if in fact we do have free will and all of this? And I know it's heavy, but hey, I'm all for it, dude.

I am all for it. You know, there's a lot of discussion about what happens to you when you die. You go into this darkness, there's light, and then all your family members are around you, your grandma is like, come, come with me into the light. And there's this whole discussion that those are archons trying to fool you to stay into the soul trap. So I've heard that before, and it's really crazy. It's a crazy thought. It's a crazy thought, and it's reminiscent of an old Art Bell and John Lear episode of Coast to Coast. For those who are Coasties like myself, where John Lear was trying to convince R. Bell, like, don't go into the light art.

Don't go into the light when you die. It's a trap. But, you know, as I stated previously in the interview, like, the questions I had when I first got into this field are no longer the questions I have now. You know, I mean, in beginning, I inherited rather a belief that was from evangelicalism, whereas, you know, where we're really dealing with whole. horns and hooves, these are demonic. And the model that I have experienced, both in personal experience and in data, is that the model may be right, like the function of the demonic may be right, but the form isn't. And what that means to us in the field is that this phenomenon can incarnate as anything it wants to. It can incarnate as anything. It can manifest as

anything. And so again, the questions I was asking in history, like back in the day, is nothing like what I'm asking now. The questions we're asking right now on the field is, number one, is the phenomenon in control of reality? Number two, if it isn't, can it replicate reality? Now, what that means for us, experiencers, is that we could be riding down the road in our car, look up in the sky, and that's the phenomenon. We don't realize it because it's blending in to this construct that we exist in. And this gets back to a guy named Richard Bandrick, who is a CEO of an aerospace program,

a company even today. But 40 years ago, he was contracted with the federal government to go out to what are called gifting fields. He would go out with his other team members, and they would collect meta materials that the phenomenon had gifted humanity. And he actually picked them up,

according to his testimony. and he said, I held these metamaterials in my hand. He said, number one, it's fascinating to me. So, number one, whatever this material was, it always blended into reality. In its environment, if it was in grass, it would look like grass. You would actually have to know exactly where it was in order to pick it up. So it blended into its environment. Number two, they said that, this is Richard Banderick, by the way.

Once you actually held it in your hand, if this meta material was, not designed for you, it would decompose it to some kind of dust-like particle. Now, again, what this is pointing to is the Truman Show, where pieces of the stage were falling out into the water that he was in. Remember, if anybody was a fan of the Truman Show? Yeah, when he's out there, right, in a light from the stage falls out. And he starts to question reality. Is this a construct?

Now, I can tell you where the data points, there are many reasons for it. Number one, in parapsychology, we have apports. In a port is when the phenomenon will materialize an object into a home out of thin air. The family did not purchase it. They did not own it. Wow. It just shows up. Now, this is not my research.

This is Steve Mera on Barry Fitzgerald's research. These are two of my good friends and incredible researchers in the United Kingdom. But it's very important for people to understand and kind of triangulate where we are with this intelligence. They were going into homes and they were finding these objects. Again, the family did not own them. Nobody purchased them. Where were they coming from? It was the phenomenon transporting.

They're called apports in manifesting them in their homes. And so it came to a point, my friends, where Dr. Barry Fitzgerald and Steve Merritt asked the question, okay, the phenomenon does not waste energy. It does not. The trickster archetype is really, it's not real. It's just the phenomenon doing something we don't really can't really understand yet. My point is they started having enough of these cases of a port where they're like, okay, like there's something going on here that's deeper than meets the eye. and so they even had one case study where an individual was in an argument with his wife

we're talking about reality here and he sees this figurine on a table that's moving like this. In a fit of rage this man takes the figurine, throws it out the window or out the front door, it shatters he comes back into the house it's right back on the table he took it from. So

they came to the conclusion like There's something really important going on, and we cannot afford to miss us. And so that's when they had another case study. This is even crazier, where this individual had a series of coffee mugs. They were purchased, I think, like a Costco or a Publix or something, where it was like a bulk. So they're like three or four, five of these things. But one of them went missing, and the family couldn't place it. They didn't know where it went.

They looked everywhere for it. And then finally one day, Steve gets a phone call from the individual and says, okay, Steve, I'm kind of flipping out here because for some reason, this coffee mug is in the kitchen on the table, right where we searched for it these last few months. And we don't know what's going on. And so Steve, because he's incredible, he goes, well, there is something going on here. We're going to get down to it. So he takes that coffee mug and sends it to a laboratory. they run a series of tests on it and they came to the conclusion that

the mug that was taken and then replaced had a different isotopic ratio than the other coffee mugs it came with in other words the phenomenon had replaced it with something that looked the part that is crazy you could actually

and you could feel it you could touch it to what end would it do something like replace an item oh yeah so here's here's where it gets even more interesting, perhaps. Once they realized that pathology, they said, okay, the phenomenon is replicating reality. And they asked the same question you did, which is a profound inquiry. Why? So that is when, again, they're waiting for another case study, because these case studies, again, you could have like a 40-year career in maybe three instances of genuine apportation.

And so once again, they had another case study where the phenomenon just materialized an object, that didn't belong in the family was wondering like who brought this into my house and so that's when they came up with a theory that has absolutely changed at least my research and how i'm approaching this intelligence they took the upport and they removed it from the home placed it in a space a storage space the next day the family calls them just ecstatic guys they're like oh my god thank you so much for taking care of the phenomenon where we're not always longer seeing orbs, no more shadow figures at night time, no more doors opening and lights being flicked off. What did you guys do? And they looked at each other and said, we really didn't do

anything. All we did was take that apport out of your home. That's when they concluded that the reason the phenomenon was not manifesting is because it was still triangulating, trying to connect to what? The apport that it had materialized in the home. That's crazy. Then once they went into that household, they took the abhorred, placed it right where they found it. Yet the next day, the phenomenon had created a portal, an anchor to which now it is manifesting in that home. Now, this is profound. What we're realizing, at least my colleagues and I, is that we're not dealing with multiple intelligences, or at least in hierarchy. It appears that what we're dealing with is a singular intelligence that is masquerading as multiple intelligences.

entities. And at times when the mask slips, we see a uniting overarching mechanism to where the phenomenon says, yeah, I'm doing the same things, but I want to diversify my identity in your eyes so you don't really catch on to it. What do I mean by that? The whole purpose of the deportation occurred. Okay, the reason it happened in that house is because Stephen Barry are trying to get rid of the entities. They're investigating them. Right? I'm here. You know, you're haunting a family malevolently. You're scratching them. I don't want you to be here. They don't want you to be here. So what can we do about this? You're trying to exercise, essentially. They're not exercised, by the way. But you're trying to understand the phenomenon and essentially get them out, get it out of the home. And then the phenomenon manifests an object to anchor itself too. That's crazy. what we're realizing again back to this idea that it's a proto it's a singular intelligence

masquerading as many we we also see that mechanism being employed throughout all of demonology specifically in the most malevolent possession cases for those who are interested look up father gabriel amorth malachi martin uh just a bunch of bunch of these cases exist but my point here everybody is that during these exorcisms there come a key point in the practice. When good and evil are meeting face to face, eye to eye, someone will win, someone will lose. And in the most malevolent possession cases, when the entities does not want to leave that demoniac, it will regurgitate from the body of the possessed apports.

objects that that individual did not in jazz they did not swallow and could not swallow this is crazy and so what we're looking at like okay what we're looking at right now on the field is that we believe that is the same mechanism of anchoring to a port in demonology that we're witnessing in hauntology it it's essentially saying i do not want to leave and so I am going to materialize an object that I am anchored to so that I can replicate my presence in this environment. So my point being, for everybody that's watching listening, these are the same mechanisms because we believe it's the same intelligence.

You keep calling them intelligence. Does this have anything to do with them using technology? Yes. So within the field, there are two common models of the phenomenon. And people are extremely binary when it comes to this. So there are people that say we're strictly dealing with spirits. And the other side of the aisle will say it's not spirits. It's just technology.

And I would suggest to everyone that what we're looking at is not either or, right? It's not spirituality or technology. It's almost a species that has merged its consciousness with technology. And what we're looking at, again, yeah, It is an intelligence, and it is a species, but it's not either or. They're both in one. And I would dare to say that's also why Jack Parsons, who was, again, an occultist and a practitioner, was researching what? Not spirituality alone, right?

Because that's only one side of the coin. He was using his conjurings, his incantations, invocations, and communications with the other, using them to enhance. and further his scientific method. And so I think really that's what we're dealing with. I mean, what percentage of the population do you think experiences stuff like this? You don't have to have a specific, a set number, but. I'm going to say this. It kind of goes back to what the late Dr. Carla Turner said.

There are primarily only two reasons we know of the paranormal. We notice it. and we remember it. And what that means is if we're dealing with a phenomenon that can hide in plain sight and can actually manipulate our memories, people could be taken right now and they have no knowledge of it. I mean, I've had a case years and years ago now as a truck driver who was abducted out of his truck,

and he had no, like, his stream of consciousness was fluid. I mean, he looked at, he looked out the window, he sees the light coming, he looks at the clock, it's 1130, in the same stream of consciousness. He's now looking around, his clothes are disheveled, and a police officer's knocking on his window. He's in the passenger seat, and they took him and did thanks to him. So I don't know, but the issue here again is that even the data we're receiving is because that we're allowed to remember it. Right? I mean, you're talking about discussing these cases with an experiencer. The phenomenon, this is something that I send over to the producer, the phenomenon has the ability to manage our perception of it when it wants to. So Dr. Collette Turner had a case study where it was an experiencer, she was an abductee, and this particular individual was basically not having a nervous breakdown, but very, very close to it.

because she didn't understand what's going on. She's like, you know, Dr. Turner, I had a labor day cookout at my house, and I invited all my friends, all of my family, were outside cooking hot dogs and just, you know, having fun, talking to each other. And across the street, there manifested a battalic object. And she goes, you know, it was hovering directly over my neighbor's house and my neighbor's right here. And we're looking at this object hovering above her home.

And she's like, we watched it consciously for 45 minutes. She's like, Dr. Turner, I vividly remember picking up binoculars and watching it in a closer, closer vision. She goes, as a matter of fact, I handed the binoculars to everybody there. We all watched it. And at one point, I got my telescope out of the box and we got an even better look at it. And so Dr. Turner's kind of like, okay, inquisitive, like, what do you mean? Like, what's the issue? She goes, Dr. Turner, I don't own binoculars.

And she goes, I went, yeah, she goes, I went back the next day. She goes, my telescope is still in the box it came in, unopened. And what had happened was when the phenomenon manifested to them, it hijacked their consciousness. It weaponized their own vision. It blinded them with their own sight to where now they're, If they can't trust what they saw, why tell people about it? And this, everyone, is the control system that Jacques Valet refers to, where there are situations that are tailored to the neurology of the experiencer.

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I've been watching videos for premium content, talking about how AI could hijack society, all this stuff. it's it's interesting to me but there's a lot of people that are talking about AI and possibly being Nephilim spirits stuff like that we you know you brought up intelligence is is that anything you you've made a connection to yes so one thing that people need to understand about this phenomenon whatever it is again whatever it is is it likes to play roles it likes to play roles and so what it will do is like when it's interfacing with you it has the ability to go through the rolodex of experiences and the rolodex of people in your mind

and then it will wear that mask as it's interfacing with you to where you wouldn't know like i've had cases where one succubis case where an individual is visited by his ex-girlfriend she stayed the night in the middle of the night he realizes my bed's not messed up what is going on and then he relives in his mind relives the event calls her the next day she wasn't even in town so what I'm talking about again is that yes the phenomenon likes to play roles and in many cases we'll kind of

I'm going to use this language strategically we will upload character traits for the phenomenon to inhabit, and the phenomenon will often inhabit those character traits to deceive us. Ted Rice was abducted as a child. His grandmother was a faith-believing Christian. During the abduction, a man, or an entity manifested to her and tried to copulate with her.

And she said, I've only been intimate with one man, and he's been dead now for many years. Now, what did she do? She began to upload right in her mind. he's going okay who is that man what did he look like why because i want to moderate your behavior i'm going to test your belief and then it went into a room and comes back out as the deceased husband wow to a team now let me take this further because this is really where some of the deepest research is being done right now in the field what this implies is that within the construct we exist in, there is a learning matrix that the phenomenon uses. I had a case study.

I worked with an individual, too. She's an experiencer. But whatever these beings were, they began taking her at a young age. And at first blush, they would appear in her room. She would feel this, quote, intelligent electricity. And then her favorite cartoon character would abduct her. What? Yes. This is fascinating. By abducted by Bugs Bunny, that's got a, that's going to, that's going to leave a mark. Yeah, I know, right? Or Elmer Fudd or something like, yeah, so, so my point is that later on, she's like, you know, for like a three or four year period, they never abducted me.

She goes, but Nathaniel, I hit puberty, right? I stopped watching those cartoons. I stopped reading those comic books. And she's like, and then one night, that same pervasive presence filled the room. My heart's beating out of my chest. know okay they're here she goes so I start scanning the room and she's like and then there is that short childlike cartoon character staring at me and she goes but I realize she goes that now I'm taller than it this was a real breakthrough in my research personally and she said

Nathaniel there's something happened in that exchange and she goes I know I'm going to crazy, but the entity realized that I no longer believed in the mask it was wearing. And it triggered a response on the part of the phenomenon that people need to pay attention to. Its eyes got bigger. She said it started moving mechanically. And she said it was measuring my belief in its image. It was appealing to a learning matrix. What can I learn about what you believe in? Because that's what I'm going to manifest as. And I'm going to even test you to see, like, okay, do you believe in this?

30% or 50%. In other words, how much belief do you have in this mass? Because the amount of belief you have in this, do you believe I am who I appear to be, that will determine whether or not I'm going to get you to do what I want. want you to do. And so when she realized that, she just said, I don't believe in this. You're not who you appear to be. The phenomenon glitched in real time.

It could not improvise. The learning matrix messed up and the entity disappeared. So this is why it's so important. Like, again, when people are being abducted by Jesus, test it. Right? And again, like, it's phenomenal. Okay, so what we're looking at, again, this is also pretty funny. We have cases where the Jesus that people are seeing is not the first century Jewish teacher.

And in one of my mentors said that, like, they're more like a Swedish Presbyterian, right? The hair is different. Like the paintings, like the paintings, right? Those traditionally white, waspy paintings of Jesus, right? You nailed it, brother. And there's a reason for that. Again, because the program does not really want to hold to true history, right? It just wants to update itself only to the extent that you'll believe in it.

And then at that point, you know, it starts to moderate human behavior. So, there's a learning matrix with the phenomenon. And again, this is why it's important just to test these entities. But getting back to the medieval period, like, okay, I have a book called Eric, and evil, and it's about incubi cases in demonology in witcher literature. It's written by a guy who is, it's funny, his name is R.E. Masters.

Always reminded me of R. L. Stein, whatever. But anyways, he talks about cases where witches were being abducted by these beings, and they were being flown to an undisclosed location. They thought that these entities were corpses and demons. Okay, so essentially they're like, right, I'm on the backside of a mountain, it's midnight or 3 a.m. And I'm copulating with horns and hooves and demons and corpses.

And that's when the phenomenon glitched again, and we see the mass comes off. It's one of those cases. And then these people realized that these weren't horns and hooves, they weren't demons and they weren't corpses. They weren't even on the backside of a mountain. That too, that part two. that part two of their perception was hijacked by the phenomenon and they were being poked and prodded by metallic objects and so that's what I'm saying here is that the phenomenon

can literally tailor its experience to our neurology and it's up to us to break through that mask and there are ways to do that but that's really where I'm at with the research regarding that nuance So, so you referred to as the phenomenon. If you had to guess what the phenomenon was, is it angels and demons? Is it the matrix itself? Is this false illusion of this reality we live in?

Like if you had the guess or maybe you've done the research and you have an idea, what do you think it is and what is its purpose? I think that in function, we're dealing with angels and demons, but not in form. Now, I need to make that clarification because when people say, okay, well, what do you mean? What I mean by that is what we're witnessing, even the most malevolent hauntings, are not biblically accurate demons. These are not really entities as much as they are programs that will bleed in to that construct, right? And it's the same thing with Jesus, right? It's not really Jesus.

It's a program that's designed to make you think it is. And so that's like, I've had friends that they've had malevolent hauntings. And they had one, this is another show host friend of mine who, they had a really bad haunting where they said that he was scratching family members and attacking people and researchers, investigators. So what they did is they thought demon, right? There's three scratches. It's mocking the Trinity.

and that's the phenomenon playing its hand, right? That's the mask. What happened was they called in a priest who was sanctioned by the Vatican to come in and then, okay, let's go do this. Let's go do an exorcism. And the priest did everything within its power, right? Like, okay, he prayed. He has the rosary.

He had a vial of holy water. And he placed it in the most active room in the home. And he said, this individual from me said Nathaniel, I don't understand this. This should not have happened. He said, but the entity had siphoned all of the water out of the vial to where there was nothing left within like a 30-minute period. And so more or less what we're looking at is this intelligence masquerading us all of these entities until we engage with it. And then beyond the mask, beyond the manifestation, there exists something that refuses to play by any known rules. Now, we need to also understand this is a key point that the phenomenon can create physiological constructs.

That means is it will appear real, it will seem real, you will see it, it will be tracked on radar, it will be captured on camera. But at the time of the phenomenon's choosing, it could simply remove it from reality. whatever that is is what we're dealing with so so if you look larger picture you zoom out does that make you think we live in some sort of simulation some sort of energy field what yeah what have you what have you come to conclude um i think that's where the reports are coming from number one number two if you go back to the skull experiment in england in the 1990s they were contacting NHI entities from the ether from out there wherever that dimension is and one night the phenomenon had materialized in a port but it was a newspaper that had been just printed mint

condition ink had barely dried the only problem is this was in the 1990s and the date on the newspaper was in the 1940s it just showed up And so they knew this came from another dimension, and so they, it's fascinating case study, but they also sent this newspaper off to a laboratory, to an expert, and the guy came back stunned, speechless. Where did you get this? This is the best quality newspaper we have in our possession. Everything else has basically just gone to does through these many years.

They said, well, what is your conclusion? He said, well, we don't even have the ink needed to print this newspaper right now. we don't even have the paper we don't have the presses where did you get this newspaper and they didn't tell them but they went back and they discussed it among themselves now here's a key point it looked had just to have just been minted that day it had it had news clippings on it you know press releases stories and it had its own date and it was verified to have come at least with the ink and the paper it was Presta from that time frame. Now, they decided to do what the Vatican does and what some libraries do in the States, where they took it, they placed it in a safe environment

where the air was controlled, and for every day it was in our construct, it aged 55 days. And so within a week or so, it was returning to the stage it would have been in, right, if we had found it

at like some kind of, I don't know, a whole other question. That's crazy. It apported it. It apported it. So this is a construct. Now, that's not entirely anti-biblical, because the Bible even says that which is made, that which we see is made by that which is unseen. And so that's what I believe we're dealing with, at least, and let's dive deeper if I can, real quick. If we're not dealing with a species that controls reality, we're at least at war with a species that's trying to control reality. And that is an uncomfortable place for us. Okay. So do you think the average person can see this? Like, do you think that because you've seen so much of it, it's easier for you to see it,

compared to like my dad right my i don't know how much paranormal my father's experience i've talked about it when i was young johnny doesn't believe me but i had i had experiences and the magic hat the magic hat knocking on the windows all this kind of crazy stuff and so i've always believed in the paranormal so i've always said you can't see what you don't believe in You know, so, like, we always hear the story of, like, natives, when they saw ships, they couldn't figure it out because they'd never seen it before. Yeah. If you, it's almost when you get into conspiracies as well, if you don't believe in conspiracies, it's hard for you to see conspiracy. And to, you may see it and say, oh, that is my grandma or, you know, that, that, yeah, I'm sure I miss.

place this coffee mug. I mean, I'm sure most people would just be like, oh, yeah, I misplaced. That's a key point. That's a key point, my friends. The phenomenon did that, hoping they wouldn't notice it. Again, to anchor itself within this dimension, it had to materialize something from that dimension. And I'm going to suggest this, and this is another interconnectivity that people you know about, is that there is evidence that some of the implants we're finding and experiencers are reports themselves. You're saying that the people who are going there and noticing, they, to themselves, have something inside them.

Sometimes, sometimes. Like, with respect to the people that are being abducted and taken by the phenomenon, yeah, they, they'll have implants in their body with absolutely zero evidence of surgery. Where the skin itself, this is wild, or the skin itself is just unbothered. Now, there's also something that needs to be discussed here, where if there is no evidence of surgery, right, did that implant apport itself into the body? The reason I say that, again, is because what we're dealing with is something that can just manifest anything at any time. I mean, we've got cases right now in euphology where UAP have manifested, like one case, I'm thinking of in particular, manifested in a field with trees. people witness it they call an organization the organization sends investigators out there not only is the uap not there by the way i'm talking about within minutes the uap is not even there but the trees that it manifested around are not there either and they went and tested the soil

and there was no evidence of a root system that's wow and so what we're dealing with if you I'm a movie hatter. I love movies. So if anybody wants to know, like, okay, can I watch a movie that would be more like this phenomenon? It would be Dark City where you have a species, right? Let's represent Dark City, man. I love it. I love it.

Me too. It's my favorite movie. Adora. It's a species that's replicating reality around us. And it's wiping memories so that we won't remember, you know? And that's what? I struggle with deeply in the field. It's like, okay, people like, well, they're not a predatory species. It's like, okay, yeah. But not every abuser abuses everybody they come in contact with. You don't

judge them off the people they're nice. Do you judge them off of what they do to the people they don't like? And can I go into that method? Can I go into that? Yeah, I love it. All right. So, there are different models of the phenomenon that this intelligence will prop up. It will finance it will use to propagandize us. One of them is the extraterrestrial hypothesis. And what we're looking at again is that if the model is correct, the phenomenon will go after those researchers.

Hard. If the model isn't correct, like if it's something where they're like, you know what, I want you to go out and say that, that's when people go to big conferences, they'll go out there they'll make millions of dollars

and then secretly and I know this as a fact they'll go back to their homes to their apartments after they just got done telling people they're extraterrestrials

they'll go back home and they'll start performing a ritual in an altar they have in their closet whoa I know this because I had a conversation

with someone who was huge in UFO and I will not name them because they asked them not to and said okay fine i won't i won't i want it all this individual told me like you know i'm interested in your research dathaniel i said well that's that's you know great i'm humbled and honored you know what can i do for you and they they went on to explain how they got into ufology because they thought they were studying extraterrestrials and that they were really interested in the scientific aspect of the research and they had actually worked

really hard to quote get a seat at the table with all of the other ufologists and people that are big time in the field. And I said, okay, I don't see a problem with that, you know, and you've actually made it. Congrats. And they were like, well, I don't like it. I said, why? And they said, well, I went to a conference about six or seven months ago. It's a massive conference. And after the conference, we all got together at this individual's home. And I was the first to get there. I got there a little bit early. And this individual leads me through the how, or the apartment rather, shows up and goes, all right, I wanted to make sure you got here before everybody else did.

And she's just like, why? Because I want to show you my altar that I built to the entities. It opens up the closet and there is an altar this individual had built to the, quote, extraterrestrials. So they know something. And again, the phenomenon will make sure it's not spoken about. Again, we're talking about people that are huge in euthology that are going out and saying this stuff, but behind the scenes, they know. This is a little bit more local. This intelligence is primeval. It's much more ancient. And yet, you know, on the outside, they have to kind of tow the line. Now, there have been a series of researchers through the years who've not towed the line, who said, okay, you know, who cares if I'm not going to get the contract? Who cares if I'm not going to sell enough merch? I need to take. tell you guys what's actually happening with our species.

Those have been people like Barbara Bartholic, Dr. Carla Turner. And, you know, in the 1970s, but which by the way, the phenomenon had threatened. You're due for an adjustment. Oh, man. One of them gets turbo cancer. Yeah. So, oh, God. My ADHD is kicking in, guys.

No, it's, it's so. I mean, a million questions are running through my mind right now. Are there benevolent examples of this as well? Are there people on our side? I think there is. I do believe there is. And people kind of get caught up in my research saying, okay, Nathaniel is a domer. They call me as a doomer.

I'm not really a doomer. Again, I got into this because I had a malevolent encounter with a phenomenon. And that did, and I tell you, that has skewed my perception of it. But I look at, again, the negative encounters. Now, getting back to Dr. Collick Turner here, she came to the conclusion, or not the conclusion, but she came to the same wits end that many of us have been in times past, where she's like, you know, I'm tired of being taken, I need to know what's actually going on, and is there a God out there? Is there anything out there that's fighting for our species?

And she had a dream that night. I mean, literally, she asked the question, and they answered her that night. She's like, it was a dream. I was asleep. She's like, but it didn't feel like a dream. She said, I was in front of, it was almost like the Supreme Court where there's people. She goes, I couldn't see their faces, but they were sitting in chairs. I'm sitting alone in the chair.

And one of them addresses her, Dr. Carla Turner. She goes, yes. And she says, I vividly remember feeling the chair, like her hands in the dream, feeling the chair. And they're like, you know, you have petitioned. us and asked us if there is good out here. And they said, there is. But you need to understand what's going on in your world and with your species. And so they put her through a biblical story. What? At the very end, yeah, they kept asking her, like, do you understand this story? Do you understand the story? And she said, no, no, no. Finally, they kind of got a little bit anxious and said,

okay, we're just going to write it around the wall, right? We're going to make it plain. There is a species that wants your world, and the way it's going to take it, it's going to replicate your species to blend in. They want to look like you. In order to look like you, they will take your planet. Now, that's what she was told. Now, let's move on real quick. Again, getting back to this idea that the phenomenon will promote those at once to and literally take out people. They don't like being in the field. So in the 1970s, there were a series of scientists and academics who had also approached the phenomenon through an academic lens, scientific method.

Again, I'm studying this because I think they're extraterrestrials. That's what they believed, because that's what they were told by people in the field. And so one by one, what happened is they would, like, before their book would launch or before they had released their paper to be peer-reviewed, one of them, they all were found deceased the night before. Oh, my God. There was about a dozen of them, a night before, and this is going to freak you out. Because this kind of shows everybody where we're at with whatever this intelligence is.

There was one individual named Professor Renee Hardy who was an academic and a scientific savant. He had over 100, I think it was over 100 scientific patents under his belt. Well, he had also realized like, hey guys, I started out thinking this is extraterrestrial. And, you know, they're just trying to help us. but there's something wrong with that model. And so the night before he was due to release his paper to the world about his findings, he also was discovered deceased. Now, they said that he had done it himself.

I won't use words, right? I won't get anybody canceled here. But they said he'd done it to himself. But the family knew, as well as all the other families, right? That's our loved one. We kind of know dad, right? He would never do that to himself. So something else is going on here.

Well, at Professor René Hardy's funeral, the whole family's gathered. He has all of his colleagues, his faculties there, his students are there. And in the middle of the pregnant silence, the back doors open. In very tall, thin, pale men walk in, about five or six of them. What? Yeah. They walk in, they sit down. and they go through the whole funeral.

Afterwards, they were witnessed with the eyes, shaking hands with people. You know, you know, Professor Raina Hardy was a great man. What a profound mind he had on him. He made it such an effect on me. Well, afterwards, after the funeral, the family gets together as they do, right? They go home, crack open, you know,

pop up in a bottle of wine, just to ease the night. They start discussing amongst themselves. Did you guys, you know, you guys saw Mary. Yeah, I know, Mary has lost a lot of it. Okay, what about those guys that came in the back door, right, right when the funeral started? Did you know them? I have no idea who they were. I thought they were from the college or the university.

So they finally get down to it, and they said, well, somebody had to have gotten them on camera, right? So they start, they get their cameras out. They start getting everything. And they didn't show up on camera. Wow. So they remember talking to them. They smelled their clone. They shook their hands.

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a lot of views that's okay i just put out there for you if you want to watch it and finally the youtube channel for the show is at youtube.com at tinfall hat official right subscribe please let's get back to it. We just had an episode about light and dark, the dark side, the shadow. It almost like chaos. It sounds like almost like what you talk about. What do you call it? It's like a, you know, the men and black kind of model where we're kind of like a way station for, you know, what do you? A haunted house. Yeah. No, no, you have a, like, I can't remember. You said it many times, though, about how this, it seems like Earth is almost like a, like a border town, you know. Yeah. Oh, yeah. T1. Yeah. They just come here and have fun. get weird? Yeah, I mean, there may not be like one sort of prime motivator behind all this,

but rather, like, you know, people that cross-attention. Wherever we live, it's way more unique than anyone wants to believe. You know, popular culture wants you to think that we're, you know, monkeys in shoes on a rock curling through space. It must be, right? Why else would they want it? Why else would they want to replace everything? It's just way more interesting, dude, and different names and all that stuff, arcons and all that. So, you know, going back to my experiences with the paranormal. I've I've talked about many times. I won't go too much into it. But, you know, I've seen, I've seen, I've heard and seen crazy stuff. I've seen at the comedy store in the green room. I'm the only one in the back green room and suddenly

the faucet turns on, like in the shower. I saw some kind of dark entity pass in front of this white, white light that I still, I don't, to this day, I don't know where that white light came from it was very weird i talk about all the time people always asked me about hauntings at the comedy store i go i there was a slight i don't know what i was trying to figure out where the white light was come from then this dark dark image or dark shadow just passes right in front of it it was one of the scariest things ever so the comedy store is very uh very haunted always been a lot death happened there not just when i do stand up but a lot of death um So the reason I bring that up is because God rest his soul, Jeff Scott used to be the keyboardist no longer with us.

He was very much in the paranormal. Like he would get contacted by ghost hunters. They would come down. They would film and they would always be like, yeah, this place is popping, dude. And one time he's in the belly room with the guy with one of these ghost hunters and they filmed, they filmed orbs floating around in the thing. Now, I think this is even before you were on. Abby Martin came on. We did a show with her at the cellar, the comedy store.

I would have remembered. Yeah. I remember. There was an orb like hanging over her head at the comedy store. People talked about it. It's probably, probably the Israeli orbs. Probably Israeli orbs. But the point is that there's a lot of orbs there.

What are your thoughts on orbs? Oh, man. That's another deep well. so knowing that the phenomenon can create physiological constructs like an image don't materialize in our environment will think it's real understanding that key point I would refer to Lloyd Orbach as a parapsychologist he's had case studies where they would witness an apparition in a home with their eyes and they it's the same apparition as a lady in the white and they're asking each other like okay like what's going on here

with this apparition. I wonder if we captured it on film. And so what they would do is they would have the camera, and they'd look at the apparition and camera, and the apparition. They didn't capture the apparition on camera. What they captured was a ball of light. And so while they're looking at this,

they're realizing in real time that the apparition was coming from the ball of light. The ball of light was always floating behind the apparition, wherever the ball of light went rather the apparition went first this is this it had created this apparition and and I'm telling you whatever this intelligence is it diversifies its identity because from that moment on right okay what is an apparition is it something that is being projected by these balls of light, and they are. I can go back to Dr. Barry Taff in the St. Peter haunting with Jackie Hernandez.

He's another parapsychologist, where he is looking at these corpuscular balls of light. Now, these aren't small. These are basketball-sized lights. And they're floating in the house. They're going through walls. They're going in the backyard by the wooden gate. And finally, him and his team had cornered one. one of these balls of light in a room.

And out of nowhere, this ball of light goes, pop, pop, pop, and then boom, and then he has an apparition staring at him. It was half of a body, the torso, the arms, and the face, and it's animated. It starts making eye contact with him. Now, that's crazy enough, right? That's fascinating enough. But Dr. Taff said that when it materialized the apparition, everyone in the room except him hit the floor.

Boom. Fainted. What? Yes. This is from the Jackie Hernandez case in San Pedro, California. And they're looking at this, again, this physiological construct. It's moving its arms.

It's looking at them. And we would have claimed, yeah, it's an apparition. Well, where did it come from? It came from an orb. Now, it's taken a step further. Those are two case studies. I'll give you another one.

My dear late friend, Dr. Michael, Lynch was researching one evening at a house. And, okay, what I'm trying to do, again, here is explain to everybody what these lights are capable of. And then I guess we can go from there. But anyways, he's looking at, he's looking at this ball of light that's in this home. He's investigating. And it's going through an individual's body. He's like, I can feel this ball of light underneath my skin. I don't like it. What's it doing? And, This individual started getting burns. Burns.

They were sub-dermal. In other words, they weren't like on the skin. They were underneath the skin to where you could see the scratches, but you couldn't feel them. It's very strange. But the ball of light had scratched this individual. What? And immediately after scratching him, and this, by the way, this individual was a former special forces operator.

He's retired, but still, he's a very, very, very strong, very, very man. Now this man is up against the wall, and he's telling Dr. Lynch, there's something choking me. I can feel its hand. This is important. I can feel its hand around my neck. It's at that moment that they're looking at his neck, and they said you could see a man's handprint fingers wrapped around this man's throat. They were red. Oh, my God.

And it's a handprint around the neck of this individual. The problem is the only thing they could see was a ball of light that came out of his body. So let's take a step further. He's the same case study. He's outside of the home packing up everything. And Dr. Lynch was very onry. I love him to death. And he's like, you know, Nathaniel, you know, I like people like that.

I'm a joker myself. I mean, I'm not a comedian like you guys, right? You guys are awesome. But I do love comedy, by the way. So I'm laughing with them. I'm like, man, you know, especially in this subject matter, man. Anyways, he's like, Nathaniel, he goes, I had recently purchased a laser thermometer off of eBay. And he's like, and I was really wanting to use it, but I could never find the opportunity.

He's like, so there I am at the end of the investigation. I'm outside, the trunk's open, and I'm looking down at my brand new, still in the box, laser thermometer. And he's like, so I figured, okay, I'm going to find something to shoot with this laser. laser thermometer. He said it was about that time that one of these orbs fly out of the house into the alley and it's just, it's hovering. It's hovering like this. He said, so I'm locked onto it. He said, finally, I'm shooting at it. He's finally one of the lasers actually hits the orb and refracts off of it. That's crazy. Boom. Just it hits something solid and then and I'm like

what? He goes yeah, Nathaniel, that's not the craziest thing he goes because that would mean that that ball of light is solid it's a solid object he said but then it went through a wall of a home just like that

so what do we know about these orbs? We know that they can become anthropomorphic meaning they'll make you believe that they are an apparition They'll make you believe that they're actually choking someone with their hands, right? That's an actual entity with a handprint.

But it's these balls of light. You know, the experiencer Chris Bledso who wrote the book, The UFO of God. I was going to ask you about him. I had him on my list here. Yeah. Yeah. He talks about how, this is incredible. He talks about how before his abduction, he said he's walking in the woods and he hears,

he hears a man walking behind him. Now, this is auditory now, right? We're not just talking about vision and sight. Again, now he goes, and I'm terrified. He goes, because now I think somebody's follow me. I can hear something walking, crunching the leaves and sticks. He said to my utter astonishment, I turn around, it's just a ball of light. Hmm. So, what we know about these entities whatever these balls of light are is that they can project physiological constructs that we will fake a reel

they can actually create auditory responses within our minds to where we can hear it nobody else can we think it's a man but it's not it can pick people up from them against the wall matter of fact for those who want a better reference

I think it's a documentary on YouTube California's most Haunt at Home, where in this particular case study, Jeff Weecraft, Jeff Weecraft was upstairs. He was the videographer that worked for Dr. Taff. He's upstairs trying to chase an orb. And it's pitch black. And so you see Jeff Weecraft get on the ladder. He goes up there in the attic.

And they sit, Jeff says, I see with my eyes that there is this cloud. There's this dark, like blob. in the back of the attic, and it was displacing its weight, right? Again, auditory implants, where you can hear it moving, boom, boom, boom. And so they get up there, and Jeff is looking around. It's pitch black. In the darkness, he feels a rope wrap around his neck, and something begin to twist it on the other side.

What? Yeah. Johnny's out. I'm out, I'm out, bro. Johnny's out. I'm out, bro. I'm running. So check this out.

so all of a sudden they hear him go oh they didn't know what's going on they had no light so one of the photographers takes his camera sticks it up there in the darkness takes a picture as soon as the flash went off you see a very pale jeff wheatcraft slumped over like this what it happened was one of these entities had knew that there was a beam and on the other side of a beam there was a nail in around that nail was a piece of rope. Jeff had walked into the rope when it did whatever these beings were were driving the nail in like a screw punching it and then twisting

the rope to where it was tightening around his neck. Oh my God. So we don't know what they are, but I can take it a step further. We have cases where again, knowing that they can create physiological constructs. Dylan Borland's one of them. He's a whistleblower that testified before Congress

recently. What we're seeing in yourophology, it's not just physical craft. A lot of the times we're seeing what I'm calling a pre-archotype. And Dylan Borland mentions this, where originally he just saw these balls of light coming to him towards him. And as he's staring at them around the ball of light, a triangle manifested. So, here's my point. If these are what are projecting and creating apparitions, then what are we studying when we're saying, oh, man, I research apparitions? No, you're not.

You're researching the orb, right? And so that's my point. The phenomenon has realized that it can blind us with our own vision. Okay. What we think may be real isn't real at all. So if we don't know what it is, like, per se does the government know anything or are they as are they as retarded on the subject as we are are they a little bit onto it i think they're on to it you know are they retarded like us yeah they

retarded okay that's a trick question wait a now um i'll tell you what guys i've looked at some of the whistleblowers and from my perspective again because i i have a lot of connections at the UK I thought I knew ufology, right? Until I lectured in England at the Awakening Conference. And then when I sat down with those guys, I'm thinking, okay, I'm asking them, what do you think about this with this tape? What do you think about this, UFO, UAP? And the answer I got overwhelmingly was that what our government is doing,

it's creating technology. I totally agree. And then saying, oh, yeah, that's definitely extraterrestrial. Meanwhile, our allies know it's not, it's us, it's us. And the best way, again, to hide that technology from our enemies is to say, yeah, it's aliens. But let me bring this down to a head so people will understand what I'm saying. In the 1950s, there were a group of physicists that worked with the Department of Defense. They, it was immediately after Jack Parsons had died in an explosion.

Then you have the emergence of Kenneth Arnold, right? The Flying Saucers, it's 1952. they had uncovered a faction within our federal government that was performing ritual magic in order to get access to the technology we're seeing. I totally believe it. Now, so again, on our end, it's a kind of matured question. It really is, is that us or is it them? It's both.

It's both. But our government knows a lot. You know, back to Matthew Brown and Matthew Robert. for that matter, but Matthew Brown specifically, he's the guy that was unweaponized with George Knapp and Jim McCorbell, but anyways, he gets into this idea, right? He's like, look, number one, we know we live in a construct. I said, okay, that's checks, all right, whatever. And then he goes, but we also know that there are others that have actually left the construct. That's what piqued my interest. How? What do you mean by that? And so to answer your question explicitly,

I think our government knows a lot more, a lot more than it's telling us. And I'm not sure that we as a species truly want disclosure. You know, I've had these conversations about disclosure with other researchers in the field. And if we take them at their word, which is very difficult to do, to be honest with you, it'd say, right, well, because again, their reasoning behind it was, well, if we disclosed what we knew, it would destroy religion. It would destroy everything. and my question is okay how would it destroy religion

you know again religion itself at least the Abrahamic faith believes in a higher power in good and evil you know different factions on each side and it believes you know that there are N. H.I. out there it's not human so that

wouldn't be the model the government you know would be afraid of disclosing so what is it that they're not telling us and I do believe that would lean more towards we're in a construct and that whatever we're dealing with is either in control of it or it's fighting for control over it and again it's not that that we're in one room and they're in another room no we're in one room and they're outside of the house that's more one of the ones

lobbing in yeties john johnny talks about uh the fact that they the government was doing research into UFOs and at some point they stopped it because basically, right, they were basically, I don't, I haven't talked about that, but sure, I mean, no, you have talked about it. You remember because at some point they, they abandoned it because everyone was basically believing it's not UFOs, it's angels and demons. Oh, well, yeah, I have, I mean, there was that story a couple years ago about the Pentagon, uh, saying that, you know, their concerns were that it was spiritual in nature rather than physically. You know what? This is fascinating, too, because you bring up a very good point here.

Getting back to, like, what is the more correct or most correct model of what we're dealing with? There was a group, again, the Collins elite, they existed within the federal government, and they approached this strictly from a fundamentalist worldview, right? Of course, they're horns and hooves. And their conclusion, though, was completely different. A lot of people missed this on both sides of the sacred and secular. their conclusions were completely different than the evangelical worldview. The evangelical worldview would say, okay, you have heaven and hell, right?

And then you have dead people. And then when they go to the judgment, right, they'll go to heaven or whatever. That was not their conclusion. Their conclusion was whatever we're dealing with is outside of space time, in quote, it exists in the afterlife. In the afterlife. Now, the research I'm doing is, okay. Okay, who are they? Well, we don't know, but we do know they are coming from the afterlife.

But what if the afterlife isn't a location, right? What if it's a stage of existence? I'm in the afterlife. Why? Because who I am determines where I'm at. And so what they're looking at, again, is that this wasn't so much as horns and hooves. It was the existence of a completely different species, not yet quantified by UFOlogy or by Christendom. And whatever that is, is carving sigils in the skin on experiencers.

Sorry, I'd drop the bone there. No, it is, it's like both insane and lines up at the same time, right? Like, it's a mind-blowing thought, but it makes sense. I also agree that it doesn't necessarily blow up or preclude in any way a biblical worldview and outlook. I mean, when the Bible talks about the new heaven and the new earth and, you know, the world passing away, I mean, those things seem to fit tidily, I would say, within the bounds of what you've described. I think aliens blow up religion more than what we're talking about. Well, aliens in the biological sense. Yeah, possibly. Yeah. Although, I mean, just because I've always said about aliens, even if they were before we kind of got to this level of discussion back when we thought they were probably physical, you know, before we, at least I got into. the, you know, the woke conspiracy mindset.

My thought was, well, okay, this Bible is for these people on this earth, you know what I mean? Who's to say there aren't other texts, you know, on other planets? I don't know shit about, you know what I mean? Like, that was always my thing. It's like this Bible is just describing this place. Even if you say there's other planets with life, in a way, does that blow up religion as well? I don't think so. But, I mean, because I just feel like that the Bible is the account of what happened in this,

particular corner of the universe, you know what I mean? That never bothered me like it does some people. But now I think it's less likely. You're right. And again, it's so difficult. I mean, I had to deal with my own experiences, the data I was collecting, the research I was doing. And then my worldview, you know, and people like to say, you know, Nathaniel is just projecting his worldview onto his conclusions.

No, I'm not. The fact is, again, that even in the Bible, we're dealing with the Nephilim and the Refayim hypothesis, whatever we're dealing with now has to be different. Here's why. You'll just explain this. Whatever they are, they're replicating with our species. Replicating. Breeding with us.

Damn. Now, according to the Nephilim mythology and teaching that the watchers had the ability to replicate with the human race and then their progeny were embodied but they were half angel half man but when the man died the man body died that their spirits would now roam the earth right as demons

so here's my key point according to biblical antiquity the watchers are imprisoned in chains of darkness so the watchers had the ability to procreate with us, but they can't because they lack the freedom. Their offspring, which we call demons, cannot replicate with us. They lack, right? They lack the ability, but they have freedom.

And so the ones that can replicate with our species, they can't because they're locked up. Those who can can't because they don't have the ability to. They're just spirits. So, my My research regarding incubi entities, hybridism, it leads me to conclude the data says this, that there is yet another species that has been unquantified by demonology, by inheritance, by UFOology. The reason I say that, again, the watchers have the ability to be that like the freedom. the demons have the freedom but they lack the ability but in incubi literature we have cases where victims had sigils underneath their eyelids what and the entities which i do believe are another species had tried to procreate with them had left secretions and substances on their bodies now the presence of sigils and secretions

that is a ritual and so what I'm trying to stress to the field is that yes while we are entertaining these models of hybridism there's something else out there that we've yet to fully comprehend like a blade a little bit of both

a little bit of freedom and you know and it totally makes sense that that people would procreate with you know these fallen angels, these watchers. People fuck trees. No, I mean, women love men in jail all the time. They love the day.

I've heard of tree hogging, but that's a little bit too far for my taste. I mean, dude, the Hillside Strangler had like 80 girlfriends. You know, like these chicks love... Ted Bunny got girlfriends on trial after everybody knew he was a killer. He was dating as he was getting sentenced to death. You know, I mean... Luigi Mangimony or whatever. Mantrimony.

He's a ghamony, totally it. Manjimony. Yeah, what about mangimony? He's got pussy for days. Yeah, but he's gay, so who cares? Is he gay? Listen, so let's get into the Philip experiment. What is that?

What does that teach us? So, again, that the phenomenon plays into roles. In the 1970s in Toronto, Canada, there was a group of parapsychologists who decided to create a fictitious ghost. They had fabricated his entire biography, where he was, born where he died, what he did for a living, all of it. And then they held seances hoping to contact the entity. And sure enough, they did. The entity answered questions. Who are you? We, I am Philip. Where did you, where were you born? And they would tell him, oh, I was born. And so the entity had basically taken, again, the learning matrix, all of the character traits

they had created for it it uploaded it to the learning matrix and spit it back out to them in manifestation and so the theory was that they had created a ghost that's so crazy right

and so this gets back into consciousness and who we are as a species like what we can really do with this intelligence but what that means as well is that the learning matrix adapts that evolves right so the more

they created a biography for this entity, the more this entity adapted and adopted a biography, right? And so it was essentially doing with saying, okay, I'll be whatever you want me to be, as long as you interface with me. And there came a certain point where the entity actually looked at one of the individuals. I said, okay, yeah, I realized that you had a really bad car accident on the way to work yesterday. That's when they realized, uh-oh, something has changed. Because they didn't upload that data to the learning matrix. So they realized that, and I'm going to take it a step further, they realized that this was not really an artificial intelligence.

There was something behind it that had orchestrated all of this in order to manifest to them and to contact them. So it's almost as though they gave it permission to enter their space. So, yes, this gets back into topomancy and thought forms. So, you know, some researchers would say, okay, that's a topa. That's an entity that they formed with their conscious intention and with their thought. So that's a thought form. But my question is, who formed the thought?

That became the thought form. Yeah, yeah, totally. Are we really talking about inception here? Was there entity inception? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but isn't there a term for, and I say it all the time, I just can't remember right now, where if you believe something enough, it becomes a reality. Yeah.

I mean, we've talked about like agrigors. Agragores. There we go. That's it. You know, so, and I believe in Jesus. I'm a Jesus guy. So don't take this as me being blasphemous. But there's all these people out there telling you Jesus doesn't exist.

But if enough people believe in it, it becomes reality, right? Oh, I'll give you. Yes, yes. He does exist. You're exactly right. give you a scripture that has long baffled me where Jesus Yeshua went into a certain city and he had just got done performing all kinds of miracles but he couldn't perform miracles there and they asked him why and he said because they did not have enough faith they didn't even have

enough belief to co-create the miracle I wanted to perform wow so there is this again this is important, you know, when he says who do men say that I am, that mattered, and that does matter, you know, to your point, it's like, it's like that, that experiencer where the entity's manifesting to her, but the entire situation, it hinged on rather or not, that individual believed in the image. If you didn't believe I am who I say I am, the phenomenon was at a loss. If you don't believe it, what am I going to do? I mean, think about, you know, when they're on the water, you know, and as, you know, and as he loses faith, he starts to sink, you know, and he's like, what the fuck? Absolutely.

It happens in real time. It's like if you don't use it, you lose it. I like that. You're exactly right. You know, I'm going to go into a case study here that's perhaps more frightening than what we've already discussed. But the phenomenon weaponizes archetypes. It will weaponize images against us. Um, I had an individual who his father was a remote viewer.

Now, again, people were going to follow this who follow me of like, Nathan, we've heard this a billion times. That's okay. A lot of people have it. So I'm going to go. Let's go. Um, anyways, this is remote viewer. Again, I'm friends with his son.

He's like, you know, he goes, my dad was, uh, kind of locally famous, if that makes enough sense. Yeah, local celebrity. And he's like, he would, uh, go through like, remote viewing sessions. he would leave his body and out of body he would meet with his quote guides they would give him insights into like local celebrities local politicians you know if you're a sports star don't sign that contract a better one's coming or you need to pull over in this demography um and he's like you know he'd been doing this for years and he finally was making a living off of it where they would pay him like thousands of dollars because he was getting very valid insights well he's like one night he goes I'm playing video games, and he goes, I know my dad was in a session. I'm not supposed to, you know, talk to him, touch him. I'm going to leave him alone for the time being.

He said, but next thing I know, my dad is coming down the stairs. He's clutching his chest, and he's just weeping uncontrollably. And he's like, my dad is a veteran. He's the toughest man I've ever known. You know, he's like, my dad's dad died. I very rarely seen him cry. He was just a very, he's one of those guys from the old generation, very tough individual. he's like but I could not calm him down

and he was white as a ghost and he says as I'm talking to him he just falls on the ground he said I called the emergency over the EMS arrives and they realized like he has a pulse but he's unconscious and so they're working on him and they think that he had a heart attack

and they're taking his shirt off and he's like as they're taking his shirt off from underneath the skin sub-dermal marking symbols were under their sub-derminal underneath the skin they were pushing their way to the surface.

Whoa! Now, this is the deepest research being done right now because I have a good friend of mine that you guys may want to have him on too. He's been in the field longer than I have been. He's named Steve Mara. He's unbelievable. We're in. We're in. Dude, he's going to blow your mind.

But anyways, he's like, you know, we're looking at this, these images on my dad's chest and he's like they're inside and they're moving to the surface he said and he goes I have photographs and I have photographs of them too but he's like look he's like we got my dad to the hospital and he said they got him settled in settled down and he's like a few days later I finally get the nerve to ask him like dad you almost died what happened he said well he said I went through my session, and he said, it was just like every other one. I'm in this, again, it sounds like an abduction.

He goes, I was in a metallic room. There were metallic benches, and he said, my guides, quote, guides. That's the interface. That's the mask, right? The manipulation. They're flanking me on the right and left sides. And he said, I couldn't see their faces. As usual, he goes, but I started realizing, like, wait a minute, somebody has high

jack this entire experience you look like my guides but you're not my guides at all you're something entirely different and he said when i realized that look i no longer believe in this the key point for everybody i don't believe in the image that you're manifesting as that's when all hell broke loose he said they shape shifted into something inhuman he said i just remember being slammed back into my body, and now I'm at the hospital. So, what were the symbols that were found underneath the skin to the surface? What were they? You have an Egyptian hieroglyphic overarching.

You have the Star of David, and you have a cross. Whoa. That's on one of the photographs. And, you know, he had, this individual again, he had gotten a hold of me because he, he watched one of lectures about skin anomalies in hauntings and stuff. It was like, you know, like, we got on a phone call again, one night. I'm like, yeah, sure, sure. So we get on a phone call.

And he's poured his heart out to me, man. And he's like, you know, he goes, I've come to the conclusion. He goes, and correct me if I'm wrong. He goes, but I'm looking at all of my dad's diaries, you know, all of his writings. He would kind of detail in pen his encounters with these entities. He said, it's almost like my dad encountered. a species of disembodied practitioners. Now, these sub-derminal anomalies are not just being witnessed again in these remote viewing cases.

My dear friend Steve Maras had a case where an individual had sigils, whatever these are, had carved sigils on his arm. And this individual tried to get rid of them. First he thought, okay, it's just weird. I don't know what they are. I've never seen anything like this before. He tried to get rid of them with soap, right? Soap usually takes care of it. It didn't happen.

He tried to tattoo over them. Wouldn't work. And so later on, he decided to get a skin graph. Went to the surgeon. He took skin from his back. What? Placed it on the arm. And a month later, the sigils are back.

damn so what I'm trying to tell everybody again people like Nathaniel I want to see pictures I want to show them I want to but again the people that have given me these pictures are giving me the confidence that I won't show them yet I mean I have one individual that I'm doing a Zoom call with where perhaps I'll show those but for those who are interested on my Instagram page I do have photographs of that particular case one of them where's what's your Instagram uh Nathaniel Gillis so do something but do what I'm sorry

I'm telling the guy his job it is to look up stuff to look up stuff yeah so my point is guys that there is a problem with the model okay

because if we're dealing with just horns and hugs and aliens doesn't make sense there's some there's another species out there how far doubt is it on your on your page

I don't even know, buddy Let me look It might not even be up there, dude It's been posted a long time ago If not, I can send it to you After the show, it's not going to be doing As long as it's not like a sound You can just show the

You can just drag it over Uh-oh Let me scroll down if you want Um By the way guys, real quick Remember the orbs I was talking about? Yeah That's them up top

Go up, go up Right there Bang This photograph is from Dr. Barry Taff in the San Pedro case. Now, they're self-illuminating, okay? No, we can get to that a second, too, but these are self-illuminating balls of light. Now, here's the problem.

That was witnessed in a house that was malevolently haunted, if I could say it. Now, what if I took those balls of light and I put them in the sky? What would you think we're looking at? Ali, and, like... Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, if you want to go down to the next post, this will kind of explain it in kind of more detail, hopefully, right here. Now, when I was looking at this research and thinking, okay, we're dealing with a different model of the phenomenon, or at least a different species.

This is a quote written by Kenneth Grant. Okay, he created Typhonian the Lima. And he talks about the evolution of the phenomenon to where in times past, remember when I said this individual was building altars in their apartment to these beings in his book outside of the circles of time he talks about how there will come a moment where whatever these beings are will evolve they will no longer want to be called divine they will now want to be called extraterrestrial or interdimensional oh shit you ready for this one they have their own sigils ladies and gentlemen this watch this new i says lodge has in its archives the sigils of some of these entities. Wait a minute. I thought they were

extraterrestrial. There's something different. And I'm of the opinion that neither the demonic or the alien model is correct. Whatever this is is something different. And I think that the field needs to pay close attention to it. Just another species that is, outside of space and time entirely i'm looking at the image of the yeah you found it yeah go to if he just keeps going down you'll see it you got to go down quite a bit that no now up there no no that's not the one that that's not the one that that was sent to me by the way and by the way this individual up there went to a doctor and the doctor said that was a tick bite really that thing we just saw was a tick bite stupid yeah it's so dumb it's like that's not a tick bite are you getting

close it's a kind of a black and white image yeah i filtered it um um Um, I have more of them. That's one of them. But I have more of them in my archive. Um, oh God, you're going to look at all my ugly pictures of myself. No, it's great, dude. Back when I couldn't grow facial hair. Hey, buddy.

Not saying I can now, by the way. You look great, dude. You have a, uh, you have a glow up. You're looking good. Possibly. Right there is. Now these two, again, these are what I. So, yeah, this individual has photographs of it.

They have video of it. of those. Whoa. Fuck. That's crazy. Oh, and 3.3. Now, if you're listening at home, we're looking at a black and white picture on Nathan's Instagram. We'll have the link below.

You can go down and scroll through his wonderful Instagram. But on this guy's chest is the star, David, some squiggly lines and a crawl. No, those are 3-3. Johnny? Three-3. Three-three. Three-three right there. Oh, my God.

God. Again, I need to stress this for everybody. I have other photographs, not just that. I have a, and again, I'm going to share them, I promise. I've already talked to the individuals. We're going to get more evidence for you guys to see. Now, we have a picture, again, of an individual who was trying to conjure one of these entities. Don't do it.

And this individual was being beaten repeatedly by whatever these entities are, whatever. this entity was, they had conjured. And so you're talking about usually it's like, okay, being pushed over the steps, you know, you fall on the ground. He was getting physically beaten. And so one of my colleagues, when he went to investigate this case study, the individual said, I don't know what it is. He goes, I know I'm being beaten. This is crazy. He said, but something even left a handprint on my body. And he pulls his shirt up and there is a handprint on his body. It's like four fingers, but you can see like claw marks, like to where the claw was.

Oh my God. So what they did is they went and tested him. The handprint was underneath his skin, not on top of it. Oh my God. So, yeah, whatever we're dealing with, again, and I have more pictures, people are going to say, okay, Nathaniel's making it up, whatever, I'm not. Okay, that's the least of the evidence I have.

But my point is, the field needs to understand this, that again like I said early on when this intelligence likes to diversify its identity I believe that's what it's been doing it's been masquerading as all of these other entities you know I'll kind of solidify that that point with this I uh about two or three years ago I was in contact with an individual whose mother was an experiencer she had been working with the late Dr. Carlet Turner. And before Dr. Colick Turner, in my opinion, got taken out, I know their opinions on that, whatever, bear with me.

She was working with a woman that was this individual's mother who was being abducted by these things. And he's like, you know, Nathaniel, he goes, I don't understand it. He goes, but we were in the house one night. He goes, my mother was asleep on the couch. My dad and I are watching TV. And he says, out of the corner of my eye, I don't know. I see a bio field.

Now, what that is is a plasma field. Think of like a translucent cloud moving through the hallway. And he said it settles, it descends and settles on my sleeping mother. He's like, he's like about 45 minutes to an hour later. My mother wakes up freaking out and we're like, mom, what happened? And she's like, well, I was just abducted by aliens. Okay. And as they're talking to the mother, they start looking at her and she's breaking out

with sigils from head to toe on her body. Were you there? Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. All right. So, sorry.

No, you're good, man. I was like, oh, my God. Yeah. And his question to me was Nathaniel. Well, number one. made it a point. He said, look, he said before Dr. Color Turner had died, he said that her model the phenomenon had shifted from UFOs, aliens, to now they're finding symbols on and under the skin of experiencers. And he said that the conversations, the very, very end of the life,

was surrounding demonology, the occult, and gin, even, which is Islamic demonology. So this is why people, again, would think, right? Oh, that's horns and hooves until we look at this and say, okay, what if it's deeper than that? Does it make sense? Yeah, it does. And, you know, Alster Crowley, and we're not a fan of the guy, but in any way, but he talked about there will be a time that these entities will be known by a different name. And a lot of people think he was talking about interdimensional or UFOs. what does that mean to you that they use religious iconography oh my god so especially the cross

yeah well i can tell you this man there's a book by um well it includes a brahma and the mage but it was an individual who traveled the whole world looking at different occult traditions um and he had stumbled upon a uh what is that picture he had stumbled upon a species that was using these symbols together and so it's kind of a mixture of chaos magic but he this individual concluded that what they were

dealing with was some kind of angel magic that transcended the earthly occult rights but even then like positive benevolent is that what you mean or not necessarily is malevolent benevolent two different things malevolent is bad

and benevolent is like positive Okay, I'm stupid. No, no. Look, I don't know what these are, honestly. I think that the fact that they're subdermal first and on the skin second, that troubles me. You know what I mean? If we look at the two traditions within, again, sigilization, Austin, Osman Spar, you have Kenneth Grant, you have Austin, Austin, Osman Spar, where the idea is that you can, you can scry out, you can create a sigil, stare at it, right? acknowledge it, ingest it with a mind consciously, and then forget about it, right? And then your intention with that sigil will come to manifest.

What it appears to be, okay, if someone's like Nathaniel, what do you think is happening? What it appears is that there is a species, and this is more along the line of Kenneth Grant's philosophy, that are performing rituals in one dimension, and we're seeing the results of it in this dimension. And so that's why when researchers, again, like Sinistrarium of Amino, got to the experiencer within an hour of the phenomenon manifesting and the same things. And I'm going to say this too.

The phenomenon is not stupid. People say, well, duh. Like, no, no, no. It evolves according to our awareness of it. So what that means is in times past, we were finding sigils on the bodies, arms, right? All that. What happened was throughout history

as the clothing and the style evolved, They realized that they did not want these experiencers to know they had sigils on them. So that's when they started put it underneath the armpits inside the cheeks of experiences. A good friend of mine as well has had cases where people have been abducted and something was done to them and on them. And the naked eye would not see it at all. You wouldn't catch it. And then it would take an ultraviolet light and you would see symbols caused. into their arm.

Oh, my God. Didn't even know, didn't even know. And then you see it. And so my point is, again, I'm not saying I have all the answers. That would be stupid. And I don't want to be stupid. I'm just saying that if anything, the research now is making me maybe get the right questions.

That's important. Okay. So I got two real quick things. I don't want to keep you all day. Can you quickly break down the skull experiment? Did you already talk about that? Yeah. So check it out, guys. So in the 1990s, in England, a group of parapsychologists got together, and they decided to hold a series of experiments. They wanted to contact NHI. They wanted to contact entities on the other side.

NHI is what? Non-human intelligence. Okay. Non-human intelligence. Thank you. And what happened was, and this is where we're at with the phenomenon, at least my colleagues and I, where they had what's called a control room or a room itself. Now, that's not just the four walls and a ceiling, whatever. It's literally you invite a series of people, you invite experiencers, you invite a psychic or two, and then you invite parapsychologists. Well, it took them like a month or two to get the right people there. Because what the phenomenon was doing was, I don't like Joe Bob, right? I like Sally. Joe Bob's a bum. Get them out of here. I'm not going to show up. So they kicked Joe Bob out, Sally shows up, and then the phenomenon. They had to keep doing that, rearranging it.

to where the phenomenon was willing to, to manifest. Now, originally what happened, this is crazy, is the lights are off, and they're in this room, and above their head manifests like a bunch of stars, I guess, right? And it looked like, you know, if you look out the sky, it's what it looked like, a planetarium. And it's above their heads. The next thing they know, it slowly descends down upon the table. Oh, my God. And now they're looking at like a solar system.

This is crazy stuff. And so in the middle of all these lights, there's one ball of light that becomes mobile. It shoots up and starts moving around the table. And then it starts shooting a light, like a strobe, not a strobe light, whatever, on the table. The light's moving, right? and they're watching this ball of light. One of the witnesses asks Robin Foy, who was the leader of the experiment, Robin, can I capture the ball of light?

Yeah, sure. So the individual goes and captures the ball of light, and it's bouncing around in their hand. So while that's going on, they're trying to contact the entities. And so remember how I told you that a phenomenon will almost interface long enough with you to connect itself, to anchor itself like I do with the apports. Yeah. Excuse me, everybody. I apologize.

That's fine. I might be kidding you right now, it seems like. I hope you are. Yeah, I know, right? So, just get really moved. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. No, man. So here it is.

So they're looking at this. And they're in contact with the phenomenon. And the phenomenon was almost, again, going through the roll of decks of archetypes. At first, it's a deceased loved one. And then, like, almost being led by the hand, the phenomena say, would you like to talk to anybody else? Then we go, since you asked, Barbara, you know, wants to see if you guys can assist us in the experiment. And so then a group of D.C. scientists show up. You know, they're in communication with them.

And we're talking about a period of 500 hours, right? months and months of getting through different stages of initiation, initiatory practices. Finally, they get in contact with what's called a spirit team. And there were 13 of them on the spirit team, the number of a coven, on the spirit team on the other side. And they were asking these entities, okay, like what's going on? And the entities said, well, would you like to kind of,

talk to some some other entities you know they're right here you want to you want to hang out with them oh who are they can i ask right i kid you not they're whatever they are they were they're called n h i that's the new the new term now i guess but so what happened was they're like sure sure sure we would love to converse with these beings next thing you know they were told to to put out a tripod, put a camera on a tripod, leave the camera overnight, come back the next morning, we'll leave something on a camera for you. So they did. And what they saw, and I think this is also on my, my Instagram page, was an entity they called Mr. Blue. He is your gray. He looks a lot like Lamb, that Crowley, right, you know, all that, but he looks a lot like Lamb. Only this

entity is in front of the camera lens that they set up, he's just standing there. Full body apparition kind of thing. Just full, full body, yeah. Now, my point is, once they got that, right, it was like, oh, my God, it's the character for the horse. I have to know more. I have to know more. So they go into the last session.

That one. And that's when all hell broke loose. Because, again, what the phenomenon I did is it went through all of the archetypes, all the initiatory practices to initiate contact and when that happened not dozens they said and this is but hundreds of these

beings began to manifest in the oh my I would freak out yeah now one of them and this is crazy one of them looked and this is important the current model in the field says that

okay aliens are extraterrestrial right and they have physical bodies. Demons are demonic, but they're spirits, right? Yeah. And then you have the guides. Of course, you know, the beings that are helping. Oh, they're guides, right? Right. And then you have apparitions. We see in hauntings. What happened in the skull experiment, the reason why it's so profound as a case study, is because all of these archetypes that we're seeing in the field were collapsed into one manifestation. Now you have an alien apparition.

Huh? An alien apparition that's now talking to people. One of them looks at a psychic medium and says, I have been your guide the entire time. That's when, quote, they lost control of the room. They tried to, the end of the experiment, right? Lights on, we've got to cut

all conscious connection off to this intelligence. And they couldn't. Whatever came through, it mutated like a pathogen. It just stretched its draconian shadow all over England.

And at the end of the life, it was almost like it took over and affected everybody. Oh my God, dude. again again no okay all of the archetypes apparitions okay no they're aliens and aliens have bodies demons have demons have spirits and those are just guides it diversified its intelligence and then in one case study collapsed them all into one entity and that entity embodied all of one that is crazy dude that's wow okay two last small questions first one is there's a picture on your instagram of somebody with

their skull backwards? Yeah. What is that? That's a freaky. That is the best pictorial image, I guess, of what possession is. Yeah, I think that's just like a, I mean, that's not a real. That's not real, right? No, really, okay.

All right. Final question, and this is going to be the dumbest question you've ever heard. So I was in Detroit, right? And I'm like, they need to knock down half these buildings. They need, it's like they're just dilapidated and it just, It doesn't look good. Knock them down. You can't remodel them.

They're done. I mean, you've got to basically give them away, which is what they should do. Hey, hipsters, take this empty house. It's yours. Fix it up. Fix it up, dude. It's not bad. Every time you go, you come back and just say, dude, you could.

Dude, they have churches for sale. You can buy a church. When God goes out of business, you know it's not good. Yeah, there's a YouTube of some people who bought a school and made it at their house. They have a giant mansion. So my question is this. Let's say a place is haunted and it gets knocked down. Is that spirit free?

Okay, so there are two leading theories, and that is that it's either the location that's haunted or it's the people that are in the location that are haunted. Oh, okay, okay. And so it's kind of both and none at the same time. We have to determine, you know, what's actually going on there. Okay. Okay. All right. Can I briefly, I just wanted to, you mentioned the blood cells earlier, and I wanted to ask you now, it seems most of the associations with orbs like that, even his initial encounter was negative. It was not a positive encounter from the sound. Now, what do you think about what he does when he prays and then these things manifest? I'm curious if you think that that is possibly a dangerous practice. What do you think those are? Okay, so I'm going to rely again on Dr. Barry Fitzgerald and Steve Mera's work. I thought you would.

I thought you might, you know, I really, when I asked the question, I thought you might rely on the. Who was it? Oh, man, they're incredible. They're incredible. So here's the, here was the theory, right? That the phenomenon when it materializes will hijack the conscious connection of the observer. Right? So I'm going to go out and look at the sky.

and there's an orb and yeah well that's a conscious connection and that's what he's trying to get people to do right okay just go up there and with your intentions right and here's the fallacy and it's always been a fallacy by the way our intentions with them will determine their intentions with us yeah that's a fallacy you're saying yeah of course absolutely so we should not go do this is what it sounds because we've been invited many times well let me let me say this okay let me see this um getting back to Dr. Barry Fitzgeros, Steve Mayer's research. We knew in theory, right, that the phenomenon has hijacked and is hijacking our consciousness.

Not hitchhiking, hijacking. And knowing that, at least again, having somebody say, I felt the connection, and I've had these cases before, and I couldn't break it off, I could not sever it. It went home with me. Really wild stuff. And I'll tell you about a case after the show, when we're in the green or whatever. I'll email you, whatever. That'll really, really tell you what's going on. Anyways, right now what I could say is, again, Dr. Fitzgerald and Steve Maris said, okay, we're going to work with the CE5 thing and the oars and all that.

They had an individual that was doing exactly what Chris Bledsoe and others are doing now, where they go out and they're like, okay, put up, manifest your good intentions, the phenomenon will manifest to you and all that. And what we knew in theory was proven in fact through the scientific method. They had an individual and they put on this individual's head a brain wave. monitoring unit and the these individual went through the the protocols to a team and they're waiting and waiting and waiting and sure enough and if from a few minutes on these light phenomenon just manifests above them in the sky and the individual says that's them they're here I've made the conscious connection so this is going to freak people out that this is documented Stephen Barry are looking at the time one second

Two seconds, three seconds. Within 25 seconds, the phenomenon had induced that observer into fetta brainwave activity. That is trance level brainwave activity. Really? It had completely disarmed them. Guys, even Mike Batista, the recent whistleblower, came out and said, when the phenomenon manifested to him, he would have and should have ran. but it had completely disarmed him oh my god so what i'm trying to tell everybody again we're

not fighting for minutes we're fighting for seconds oh no before the phenomenon doesn't just manifest to you it starts to manifest through you and now you are completely i ain't going it's funny because i remember when i saw the ufo that i saw it was i was like confused i was you know what i mean I felt a little confused. Sexually? Yeah, well, always. I mean, that's always present in my life. But, no, I do remember a moment, and I wonder if it's related to this, it's something

that it projects, possibly. But, like, I just like a... Oh, man, I don't need that in my life. I don't need it. I really want to go, too, but... What if the guy takes me over and goes, oh, you have too many problems, I'm out? Your life's a train wreck. I'm going to go, I'm going to go consciously contact with somebody else.

I really do want to go. Well, I might. Nathan, this has been... Yes, sir. an absolutely amazing episode yes i mean two hours just flew by you look great buddy you look great you got light in your eyes for a guy dealing with some crazy shit yeah true you got a nice glow to you out we appreciate you coming out one more time tell them where they can find you oh you know my instagram account nathaniel gillis subscribe to my youtube channel

nathaniel gillis and you can go to parasymposia dot com to sign up for my new paranormal platform thank you guys for the invitation i had a blast man it's been awesome man great episode man thank you for coming on thank you uh let's break it down all right what did you guys think of nathan fire

yeah that was a fire episode yeah dude i mean i it's not often where the you know you just blink and it's two hours that have passed yeah that's yeah and i still had a million other questions i mean just i could ask that guy i could have taught him for four hours i saw johnny just writing down up

Johnny, you love to take notes I just don't, I really, you ever get that thing where you have an idea or a question and you don't write it down, you forget it? Yeah, it drives you. That happened to me during the episode. It drives you crazy. Because you're like, what was your question? It was a stupid question, so I'm not, it's like my haunt,

if you knock down the haunted house, it disappears. I thought that's a good question. Because you hear about like, I mean, there's that, what is the, is it, what's the address of the Manson murders? Oh, is it, what? What's that? Anyway, that home, they've demolished it, but apparently that site is still haunted.

Yeah, I'm sure that hotel that were that chick, the Asian chick, died in the water. Oh, yes, the hotel Cecil. They've changed the name a few times. Yeah, I'm sure it's still haunted. We should make XG stay there for a week. And just see how it goes. Cello Drive is what it is, yeah. The Cecil Hotel? No, well, yeah, but the Manson House is the Cello Drive. I might do that for my conspiracy show.

where I go to different places. Hotel Cecil? And that's dangerous. Wait, wait, but if you even do that, you're just going to go visit. You're not going to spend the night there, right?

I might spend the night at a lot of hotels. He really does spend the night at a lot of hotels. I don't know a hotel, but you're going to get, you're going to get scared. Yeah, you don't want to bring something back with you, but yeah,

that's true, dude. That's so true, dude. I'd rather do the tunnels. Tunnels? The L.A. tunnels than go into the Cecil Hotel? Well, I see reptilians and human trafficking? I don't even think they'll let you in that.

I think that's where ICE is stationed. I'm not going there. Yeah, for sure. See you guys at the Seasal Hotel. For sure. We'll get back into it real quick, go to samtriplea.com. Tonight, when this drops, I'm going to be in Tulsa, then Oklahoma. Then I'm going to be at the Fat Man only show.

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Gold was just skyrocketing, Bitcoin, everything. It's a good time to come in, though, because we've got a lot of cash signline in our portfolios now, most of us. And it looks like, yeah, well, he just banked on something there. I didn't see what it was, but what is, is that Reddit? What is our DDT? Is that Reddit? Probably. Yeah, he's, uh, yeah, he's been killing it, how we, how we do he.

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and I'd like to say it's him learning to read. It's probably not. It's probably brain supreme. You need to get in. What if they've replaced XG? What if the entities have replaced? What if XG is a mimic right now? That could be a clone.

I'm worried. They upgraded XG. It's XG 5.0. one's got citizenship. Yeah, this one's legal. Genius. The Real Exche is supposed to show Genius. Genius.

That's the one right there. The Real X is just trapped in Mexico watching this on YouTube. Like, motherfucker. I'm sorry. Relixie. I'm sorry, Relixie. Okay.

And yeah, that's about it. Anything else? Hit that like button, subscribe. And then I did a new little thing on my YouTube channel where I go do some research on some new topics. Some research? Yeah, some research.

What kind of like? Experiments you have? I like true crime. So basically you put something into Google and Google told. Chat, GPT, read it out. I had some Michael's. You do the same thing. You're like, I've been researching this.

Only thing is Michael's has tits, so head over to X-Rextermark's spot. Which he doesn't show on camera. Johnny? You're okay there? No, I'm dying. You got Zinn. I got Zinn-Daw. Johnny.

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A broken Semites. Broken Semites. All right. No, I thought they're called the pay pigs now. Yeah, but remember, we can't say that on YouTube. So now you've got to beep that. Or the broken. There's a new word now?

I have so many words now. Yeah. I've got like a list on the side of where I edit. Well, I mean, this late in the show. They've got to come up with some program that does it for you. It does it. You just got to go. That's my big problem with YouTube.

He just wants that going. He's working hard. I got to go through each one. He just puts it through a program. No, he has a filter. We know that. He knows exactly what I have to. I mean, it helps me out, but you still have to go and, like, put the volume down, which

I'm not saying it's the hardest thing in the world. But that's always been my beef with YouTube is how hard would it be to just publish? This tells you that their motive is not to just clean everything. It's to selectively enforce these things because otherwise they would just publish the words you couldn't say in the topics you couldn't bring up. But instead, it's behind this veil of, oh, because they just want to play favorites with the people they want to push and the others they don't. They seem like they're the phenomenon.

These are like old classic. That was how we've back into us talking about the episode, Johnny. You just said a word related to the episode, but not what we were talking about? Phenomenon. We talked about the phenomenon the whole time. But what did that have to do with the YouTube? Because I said it was the phenomenon doing it. Okay.

Sorry, you brought it back. Got it. I understand now. Okay. It probably wasn't the best joke if I had to explain it to you. I thought, dude, this was an old school tin full hat episode. I could stand more of that, maybe have him back, like, I don't know, next week. Yeah, I mean, like, give us your list of guys you like.

Let's talk about it. Let's break it down. He recommended a guy. We got to get him on it. Yeah, he said a couple of people. I'm like, yeah, dude, let's talk to him. Mark, get on it. So there's things.

Mark is digging a hole in his yard right now. You just sent us a text. He's like, I was sorry, guys. I didn't see the email because I was too busy in this hole. And he just sent a picture of it. a hole he was digging in the ark. What is he doing? What are we doing? Why do I have to be the land of

Misfit toys? Why? Come, if you're retarded. Come hang out with me. Can you imagine Mark digging a hole? It must look like a lawn chair. You know, he's just all the angles. Fucking dogs. Can't even find a shovel big in a dog?

Like Abe Lincoln chopping down a tree. He's got back pain. He's bending over so much. Hey, if we're going to talk shit, I I heard you guys call it my rock out on the last episode. Rock. We missed that. Johnny, hit that one time.

I don't know if it's on this board. We miss it. Well, we get the real guy here. I mean, why not? Oh, we missed that. People miss it.

People miss it. We do miss it. But these people want us to get right into it. I wish I could. Like, on Doomscrow and we have a three minutes where people can come in and people are, oh, dude, the intro is three minutes long. It's like, bro, we're letting every minute intro? Oh, it's because they got, they're live.

So they want people to come in. Are you there during it? Yeah. It's a video you play or? Yeah, he just plays a video. We allow everybody to come in. Yeah,

you got to, yeah, that's why, because a lot of shows, you do promo at the very beginning, and I always wish you would wait because there's nobody there. I think that's a good idea.

All right. All right. I thought it was a great episode. I thought it was an all-time classic. Yes. Adding more layers to our reality. It's, do you ever feel,

though, like what the fuck is going on and what do I, I believe. I've, I've detached from that. Yeah, my head is spinning. Like, I miss he, right or is he right? I just, I think they're all right. Yeah, well, what do you do when their ideas are in conflict, though?

They don't agree with these. So the only one can. Then I go, that can only be one. Let's see how it plays out. Yeah. Yeah. That's how it plays out. All right, guys, enjoy the highlights.

Here's a clip from the latest broken sim. Oh, God. It's unbelievable. Here you go. Take a look. So Charlie writes, in this group chat just lost another huge Jewish donor

2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker I'm thinking of inviting Candice somebody writes Oh Charlie writes Jewish donors play into all of the stereotypes I cannot and will not

be bullied like this Oh snap Leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause Damn shots fired Donor writes please do not invite Candice that might feel good

short term but it's not good long term in my opinion like all groups you're going to get a wide variety of opinions that nasty free will thing that god be stoned on us makes life frustrating at times after the dust settles a bit maybe so again this is 48 hours before charler was assassinated he was very clear and he's very explicit and he did not back down out in that hampton's meeting which they're all lying about nor in this text thread and now Lisa eish curry has to talk to kandis owens dude i was just thinking about what she would love to watch her light her up she would wreck all those people on that show yeah i would love her on that show and just watch just flame throw or just so so this guy i forget what his name is he's the hammer guy right

dragon or die i don't even know what his name is uh he's talking about josh hammer he's the guy that uh oh hammer hammer hammer's it right yeah josh hammer um hammer um hammer so the day the day before I got the tweet here if you want me and pull it up yeah and it's very interesting because it's a super old tweet from from Trump and that's what people are

like dude look at the look at the dates I'm like dude yeah Trump's tweets from 2013 but Hammer's tweet is from like 9-9 and then he tweets it again something else if you go to Sam Tripoli's you go to my Instagram

and you check it out, he tweets on the day. On the day of the assassination. Yeah, hold on. I just got, he, let me go to San Tripoli on Instagram. It's like the one of the first ones. I got, well, I got the tweet here, the public executions tweet. Okay, so this is his original tweet, as you said, Trump's tweet that he's quote tweeting is from April 19th, 2013. and uh donald trump says uh should be public execution for all to see you will end this

bullshit fast and then he just writes based above it there based how low could you go the day before yeah i mean it's absolutely ridiculous so the day before this real quick so johnny i'm going to go to my channel okay my page all right and show you what i'm talking about yeah i just i i had a bad There's experience there digging through millions of tweets for it's only like the second line based based okay and that's uh that is on nine nine 25 which is the day before the day uh the day of he writes public execution i mean dude i mean you you're just absolutely tone deaf if you think that's okay i mean it's absolutely tone death, right? Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I mean, you know, to be clear,

the public, yeah, the public execution thing was after he was shot too, so he was. Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, exactly. I mean, like, why would you tweet that when you're already in a you're, you have to, you have to be somewhat aware that you're in a text thread

and you're having discussions with a guy that doesn't want to talk about, doesn't want to be involved with the bullshit you're pushing. That's my opinion. You know? You got to read the room, you dumbass. Dumbass!

And then here's the part that surprised me. So you have this guy, Ashton Forbes. Talk to me. You know this guy Ashton Forbes. People have been pressing us to have him on the show. And he's one of his big thing. Oh, dude. He went after me, dude.

The Malaysian Air Flight. Yeah, the guy went after me. Yeah. And he's, but as skeptical as he is, as conspiracy-minded as he is, he's going after Candace about this. Of course he is, dude. How are you, like, how are you surprised?

To me, I have not given him a lot of credit because I think he's way off the deep end on the other side of it. Like, this should be right up his wheelhouse as far as I'm concerned. He says, first off, Candace has no credibility. Second, there's a bunch of telegram group chat scans that claim to be real people. I was briefly in one with Elon Musk. But here's the thing, Ashton. They've, a turning point came out. and acknowledge these texts are real they're not i mean you sound like a stupid person right and then he says

this is the dumb part though listen to it he says third if you discount the text between tyler robinson and his furry lover you cannot take these at face value they're real bro i mean i can totally take them at face value dude i can totally take that at face value what are you talking about if you'd like to hear the rest of this episode subscribe to broken simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at YouTube.com slash Sam Tripoli.