Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #959: Spy Vs Spy With John Kiriakou

Episode Date: January 23, 2026

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So you want to get in that as soon as possible. We're very excited to have our next guest on. We've been working on getting him on and we made it happen. He's a former CIA counter-intelligence agent. He is the torture whistleblower. And he's got wonderful podcasts. Please welcome. John Kariaku.

Hey, thank you. Good to be with you. It's a pleasure. Honor and a privilege, man. I've been watching your stuff for a while, so the fact that you joined us is wonderful. John, for those who may not be familiar with you, can tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you.

Thank you. Yeah, I've got a couple of podcasts, actually three podcasts, all running at the same time. I've got one called D-Program on Rumble and YouTube every morning at 9 o'clock Eastern. I've got one called Deep Focus on YouTube, which is kind of like my flagship one. That comes out a couple times a week.

And then I've got one that just has taken on a complete life of its own on Apple Podcasts called John Kiriaku's Dead Drop. I love that, dude. I love that. If you do four more podcasts, you'll catch up with me. There you go. I'm a crazy person who can't stop doing podcasts. What we'll do for $300 a month? It's just incredible.

My brother, my brother once insulted me by saying that he never knew anybody who would work as hard for $20 as I would. Hey, dude, that's honorable, my friend. That's honorable. I wish we had more people like that. So, you know, I've seen you on all the big shows. I love everything you're doing. My question I want to start off with you is, you know, you hear Kurt Metzker talking about this a little bit about how, like, now with AI, we won't know what is real.

Kurt's been saying this. I've been saying it for a very long time. It's like, have we ever really known what is real? Is anything real? I mean, how much of our reality is being manipulated by our intelligence services and the elites to the point that we worship maybe people that weren't that great of people? We have certain views on the world that are manufactured by a hidden hand. What are your thoughts on all that?

You know, I hate to say that I think that view is correct. I wish it wasn't correct. But, you know, the more we learn about what our government has done ostensibly in our name, the more that statement rings true, whether we're talking about AI today or we're talking about MK Ultra between roughly 195, 252 or 3 and 1975, we can talk about the buildup to the Iraq war and the New York Times fake revelations that that helped sway public opinion to support the Iraq war. There's so much of it that is just such complete horseshit that's spoon fed to the American

people. Like where do you even start? Yeah. I mean, like if we go back to the hippie culture, I always feel that like 1950, you know, the assassination or whatever exact year that was the assassination of JFK. Marks a turning point in this country and this kind of move by the elites, the bringing in of Nazis into almost every aspect of our government. And then the OSS becomes a CIA.

And it just becomes this kind of thing where like, you know, I don't know if you would consider the CIA evil. I know you used to work with a lot of people over there. I spent 15 years there. Another thing I hate to say is, yeah. I would consider the CIA to be evil. Not the entire CIA and not, you know, 95% of the, of the very smart, very patriotic, very honest people who just want to, you know, serve their country and keep Americans safe. But yeah, when you've got something that's known as the Tuesday morning kill list meeting where the CIA director, you know, is meeting with national security council and a bunch of lawyers to drop a list of people to kill that week.

and then they send the teams out around the world to do their hits, and then they meet up again the next Tuesday morning to come up with another list, then that's a real problem. And one thing at my age of 53 I've learned is that evil never sleeps, right? Like good people just want to live their life, make a dollar, take care of their family, have a beer, get laid once in a while, just feel like they've accomplished something. But evil never rest. It's constantly pressing all the time.

And it just seems like the CIA has been behind so much chaotic stuff that it's got to be when you're working there. When you're working there and you see something go off and you go, that might be us. And maybe you don't think it's the best thing ever or you're like, oh, that's a little weird. What is what does that feel like when something pops off and you go, oh, dude, that's probably us. That's not good. Yeah, like the destruction of the, what's the Russian pipeline called? Oh, yeah, yeah. Nord Stream.

Nordstream. Nord Stream, Nord Stream, too. I called the buddy of mine the next day. Everybody's like, the papers, it was Putin. He blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. Why in blazes would Putin blow up his own pipeline, number one? So I called the buddy of mine who's still at the agency. And I said, that had to be us, right?

And he was like, dude, I can't talk. about this. I said, no, that's okay. I get it. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy. Of course it was us. So yeah. And then, you know, you whisper to all the newspapers and to the news outlets on cable. It was the Russians. It's a false flag operation. They blew up their own pipeline just so they could blame us. Like, no, no, that's not the way it is. Not at all. It doesn't make any sense when you actually, you know, when you're on this side, we'll say to conspiratorial people. You really have to look at stuff

without emotion because everybody is so emotional at that point. You are absolutely correct. Absolutely correct. And don't forget that the term conspiracy theory was created by the CIA. Yep. To get people to

not question the JFK assassination and not question a bullet that takes a U-turn and comes back and hits the guy again. I mean, and it just goes into to, again, that good people just want to trust. It's exhausting not to trust. It can be exhausting. Then you understand the playbook and you kind of go, okay, that's what they're doing there. They did that before. They did that before. They did that before. And that's exactly right.

And then you run into situations where some people can't turn it off. And so everything becomes a conspiracy. I had a woman. She was the wife of an ambassador assigned to the United States. And she called me and said, I think I'm under surveillance. I was wondering if I could hire you to do counter surveillance. I said, of course. So I met with her at a restaurant and I did a surveillance detection route to and from the place. I didn't see any surveillance. The place was empty. It was just us. And I said, how far away from the restaurant do you live? She said, walking distance. I walked here. I said, okay, you leave before I leave. I'll follow you to your apartment. you know, a couple of blocks back.

So if there is surveillance, I'll be able to spot the surveillance on you. I didn't see anything on her. So I went to her apartment and she's, the entire interior is covered in aluminum foil. And as soon as I walked in, I was like, fuck. I said, did you, did you put the aluminum foil up on the walls? And she said, yes, it was to reflect the x-rays. I said, okay. Well, I told her later that night.

She called me, like, minutes after I left to say the neighbors were in the process of, of beaming waves at her. And if I rushed back, I could see the waves. So I rushed back. She points from her balcony at this apartment across the way. And it's just a young couple there had strung up some Christmas lights. And I said, you're not under surveillance. The CIA is not beaming waves at you. your neighbors are not undercover officers.

Those are just Christmas lights. And I said, in good conscience, I can't take your money. And I won't take your money. I didn't. She was very angry. And she said, well, at least you could give me some advice. And I said, I'm saying this as a friend. I advise you to find a qualified psychiatrist because you're not under surveillance by anybody.

And I think you need psychiatric intervention. She threw me out. Did she have any reason for her to think she was being looked at or something? Is there, because I'm not surveillance? Yeah, is there any reason? No, none. And then there's one giveaway answer when you ask them to describe their surveillance. Does the surveillance travel with you?

Like are you under surveillance at your home and your work or are you under surveillance all the time? And she said 24 hours a day, no matter where I go, no matter where I sleep. And I was like, okay, all right, I got you. That would be a very expensive detail. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Now, if you're the Chinese ambassador, okay, or you're the KGB station chief, all right, I can see the expense being, being, I can see them going to the expense of following you.

Different rules for different fools. Yeah, if you're just the 65-year-old wife of some Arab ambassador, no, nobody cares what you do. Well, that's conspiracy theorists. And I love conspiracy theories, but they do tend to think sometimes overvalue. You know, it's like every conspiracy, conspiracy theories I know is always like, dude, they're going to watch me. I'm like, I'm on a list. They're getting ready for FEMA camps. On the list. I'll get that a lot, too. Well, I'm sure the CIA praise on that, though, right? That kind of...

Absolutely. Yeah. Because that makes it... It makes it easy to discredit people. Yeah, totally. If you just, you know, whisper, oh, he's a nut, then that's half the battle right there. And there's also, I forget what's called the type of prisoner jail where you think they're always watching. There's a certain name for that.

I forget, I can't remember it right now, but... Yeah, we used to call it, we conflated it with the Potemkin Village, right? It's the Panopticon prison, right? Panopticon, village. Right. Anoptic on prison. Prison, excuse me. And we are, you know, their whole thing is like they're watching constantly.

And if they get you to believe, I think that's also a play with this AI to make us believe it's so powerful that there's nothing we could do about it. You know, I'm glad you brought that up, especially in the intro, just day before yesterday. Well, I'm on a bunch of list serves, right? Former, mostly former intelligence people. And so on one of the lists serves, a. guy posted a YouTube video of a close friend of mine talking about the Russia-Ukraine thing and taking exactly the opposite position of what I know his long-held position to be.

So I was like, what the heck? So I click on the video and I'm watching it. And it is obviously AI from the first five seconds because he sounds like he's either a zombie or a robot. And I know him. He doesn't talk like that. He's more animated. He's not just sitting talking like this.

and the lips don't move exactly right. So we're still in these early stages of these AI videos where you can still, if you pay close attention, you can see a mistake or an inconsistency. In six months or 12 months, it's going to be too late for that. And so Congress has to act. There's got to be some kind of legislation passed

that mandates that an AI video be identified as AI. For example, we've all seen these videos of, you know, the 30-minute chair workout or whatever. Yeah. And it looks like this really attractive woman in a podcast studio, and she's talking to this guy who, they say, is 65 years old, and he's totally ripped. Right, right, right, right. And then in the smallest letters at the bottom of the screen, it says AI generated actor.

Well, first of all, nobody goes to do a podcast in a studio with no shirt on. Yeah, that's number one. I would love to. Yeah, right? I wish I was ripped. I'm 61 and I'm not at all ripped. But it's easy to spot stuff like that. We're quickly getting to a point where it's not at all going to be easy to spot.

Not at all. I mean, think of it this way. What if somebody does an AI generated video that's believable of Donald Trump declaring war on China or war on Russia or what? I mean, is there going to be a counterattack? that's what we're going to have to be worried about. No, I'm with you on that. Quickly getting there. Well, how invested is the CIA and AI would you suspect?

The CIA, I would put my reputation on this. The CIA was one of the leaders in the birth of AI, the creation by AI. Remember, in the immediate aftermath of the 9-11 attacks, the CIA got congressional approval to create this thing called in QTel, which is a venture capital arm, like a quasi- the quasi-governmental arm of the CIA so that they could invest in private tech companies. Their very first investment, it was $15 million, which was a fortune in 2002. The very first investment was in Palantir. And now Palantir is a multi-billion dollar, you know, leader.

Yeah. And so, you know, we see OpenAI. And I don't know if you've ever heard of Will Hurd. I was Will Hurd, I was Will Hurd's mentor at the CIA. Awesome CIA officer, just had a gift for recruiting people. Will quit after about six years and went into the private sector and then ran for Congress and got elected. And he's half black, half white, and he won three consecutive elections in a Supreme

Court mandated majority Hispanic district. That's what a good politician he is. And he's smart and he's good looking and he's just a great guy. He's Mr. Tech. He was Mr. Tech in Congress. He's the one, even when the Democrats were in charge, he got bills passed into law on cybersecurity. But then he left Congress to run for president for a minute. And now what does he do?

He went to the board of Open AI. And now he's the chairman of the board of some other AI company. But is Will really just Will trying to make a living for his family or is Will doing this for the CIA? Dude, that's a great question. Is that the just embedding an operative there? Exactly. That's what I'm afraid of. So I'm going to ask you a question. I'm sorry, before you move on for that, is it possible that when he ran for Congress, he was also doing the same thing? Is that possible?

It's possible, but I would say no. And the reason I would say no is because he went to work for a former boss of our. who legit left the CIA just to make millions after 30 years of government employment. And then when he said he was running for Congress, we both told him independently of one another. Congress, that's not a step up, you know? It's a step down. You sure you want to do that? He's like, yeah, because someday I'd like to be governor of Texas and blah, blah, blah.

And he ran and then just realized it was a shit show up there and decided, Now I'm going to go to Open AI and make millions and millions of dollars. The real power. There comes that moment as you get older where it's like, okay, like I got to make my money now. Exactly. It happens all the time. Even with this show, people get mad. We have ads.

I'm like, I'm 53, dude. I got kids to take care of. I got to make my money. I'm 61 and the feds took my pension away from me. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Like, john lovesgold.com is something that I am very proud to promote. Yeah, promote.

it, buddy. We got gold sponsor, but we want to help you out here. So let me, I'm sure you've been asked this. And there's an old saying, once CIA, always CIA, is that, I'm sure you've been asked that before. I hate that. I hate that, I think, more than anything else that I have to confront. No, that's not true. Okay. That's not true. To me, that's an incredibly intellectually lazy position to take. There are so many CIA dissidents out there. I mean, can you imagine walking up to Ed Snowden and saying, well, once CIA, always CIA?

What the fuck are you talking about? Right. Or Philip Agee, who broke from the CIA and published several books, and the CIA chased him around the world trying to assassinate him. Or Ray McGovern, who was a presidential briefer for two presidents in an almost 30-year CIA career and is now constantly getting arrested at peace marches. So, no, listen, it was not a plan that I was going to go public about the CIA torture program and then allow the CIA to bankrupt me and then to go to prison for two years

so that I could do like undercover CIA work inside the prison and then have my wife, have my wife divorce me and take my kids. I'm sorry. This happened. Again, I'm not trying to. I knew it could be a listen to emotional response. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful. Oh, no, no.

No. Yeah, I detected no disrespect whatsoever. And I appreciate the question actually because I get it quite often and it allows me to explain my position. When people, listen, if the CIA wants to have pro-CIA people out there, there. They're already out there. Just watch the Sean Ryan show or listen to Andrew Bustamante for five minutes. He's going to try to recruit you. Your discussion with him was just, I was so disappointed with that guy. Bad kid, I'll tell you. Oh my God. You know, and I'll tell you a couple of

interesting things about Andrew. Andrew and I have some mutual friends, people I like very, very much and respect. But Andrew has a very sophisticated way of pulling the wool over people's eyes. There are two things that former CIA people ask each other when they meet for the first time. The first one is, what directorate were you in? There are only four answers. The Directorate of operations, the Directorate of Intelligence, the Directorate of Science and Technology, or the Directorate of Administration. And nobody wants to say they were in that director because that's the accountants and the logs people. Yeah. Secretary. Right. So either DO or D.O. or D.I. Ops or Intel, Intel being analysis.

So you ask that question first. And then you ask the inevitable follow-up question. What division were you in? Now, you can have two dozen answers there, but it can be like near Eastern ops, Russia ops, Africa, Latin America, counterintelligence, counterterrorism, whatever. The third question, if you get that far, is what was your job? So a case officer,

is also called an operations officer, or in the old school speak, a cat B officer, category B officer. We were the ones who recruited spies to steal secrets. Andrew whispered to me when I met him that day, I was not a case officer. That's the first time I had ever heard that because he presents himself as a case officer.

I said, what were you? And he said, I was a sue, an S-O-O, that stands for special operations officer. So what is a special operations officer? That is the operations officer's assistant. So I would come back from an operation and say, Andrew like person, can you do my accounting paperwork? I'm too busy.

Or Sue, can you set up a surveillance team for me? I'm going to do an op tonight and it's high threat. This is not a guy who ever recruited a source, ever in any country. Never. More than that, he just came out with a book with his wife in which, you know, he caught some mole. Number one, I call bullshit because there's an organization at the CIA called the Counterintelligence Center, which has about 300 very highly skilled mole hunters. And what he wants us to believe is they found out that there was some kind of mole. None of the 300 professional mole hunters could do the job. So they called in Andrew and his wife.

And by God, they got to the bottom of the case. And then I wonder why I never read about any mole in the Washington Post or the New York Times. But we're just supposed to take his word for it. Do you think getting into Project Mockingbird that he's part of that program, that he's sent out as a disruptor? In an unofficial way, I would say yes. And the reason I say unofficial is that Operation Mockingbird was deemed to be illegal in 1975. But the CIA has gotten to the point where it doesn't need to make an official operation. And I'll tell you how I know that.

A buddy of mine is an investigative journalist. Quite an excellent investigative journalist for Bloomberg. His name is Jason Leopold. And a couple of Christmases ago, Jason was just bored. And so he filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the CIA. Now, Jason has filed more FOIA requests than any other person on the planet Earth. To the point where George W. Bush's Pentagon spokesman called him a FOIA terrorist. Seriously, in an open forum in a press conference, called him a FOIA terrorist.

But Jason, because he's constantly filing FOIA requests, he's the one that broke the Hillary Clinton email story. Just by asking through the Freedom of Information Act for every one of Hillary Clinton's emails and access to the servers that they were on. He's the one that got the story. So he was bored a couple of Christmases ago. He files a FOIA request for every communication over the previous year between the CIA and every journalist, period. And what happens is, you know, they'll make you wait 20 or 30 years before they respond,

which, of course, is illegal. They have 60 days to respond. And so on day 61, he files a federal lawsuit, which he wins every single time. And then the CIA has to pay his legal fees. And then they have 30 days to release the information. So what he found in that tranche, several interesting things. Number one, Ken Delaneyan, who is the chief national security journalist for NBC News and MSNBC. now it's called MS now.

Miss now. Yeah, miss now. Kendallan was sending his articles to the CIA for clearance before he sent them to his own editor. That is so crazy and so anti-journalist. So he should never work in journalism again, just for that. Number two, there was some young, hungry, independent journalist who came up with something. And he sent it to the CIA and said, I'm going to publish this. Do you care to comment? And they wrote back and they said, so help us, God, if you publish this, we will never work with you

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And maybe that wasn't even the real story that Nixon wasn't spying, but more in a weird way, it was somewhat Epstein-like in that there were escorts involved. And that's how they got all their information, but they had to create a story to take out Nixon. And there's a whole story with Nixon, a 60-minute interview where he, along with Eisenhower, and a Rockefeller brought over a lot of Nazis and nobody ever talks about that, which is funny because Tucker's on our... Oh, Truman. Truman was the worst offender. Yeah, Truman was.

We only went to the moon because of Nazi scientists. We brought all those guys. What was it? Operation Paperclip. We brought all those Nazi scientists. That's why en masse, every Nazi scientist gave. up to the United States rather than to the Soviet Union. They knew that the Soviets would execute them, and the Americans would give them jobs.

And so they all ended up working for NASA. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. We've had people come on that NASA was actually a part of the Kennedy assassination because Kennedy wanted to give the Russians some intel because he was worried that they would think that these UFO things or whatever, UPIs or whatever they call them now, UAPs that that they would think they were

nukes, they were nuclear crafts and he wanted them to know that it wasn't and there were so many Nazis in NASA which is you know which is crazy because they all came over and none of them changed their names like if you know no no no this protection program you change your name

to something totally different why would you did nothing wrong as far as they know you know what I mean well it's just like none of them changed their names well they all I mean universally at the end of the war thought that they would join the allies and start fighting the Russians, the Soviets. I mean, that was the whole plan, like, Himmler was trying to set up, you know, his own government and then be like, hey, we'll help you guys fight the Russians now.

We're all in it together. And there's a story like about four years ago or five years ago was that there was a lot of ex-CIA people running for Democratic offices. And they were, and I think they all got elected. Abby Spanberger just became governor a couple of days ago. She and I worked at the agency together. and then Alyssa Slotkin is a senator from Michigan. I saw her the other day.

It was funny. I was walking into Fox while she was walking into MSNBC. They're in the same building. Oh, that is crazy. That is crazy. And I go, hello, Alyssa. I said, hello, Alyssa. She goes, hello, John.

And we just stood there in the elevator, just stood there, like pretending, pretending we weren't uncomfortable with each other. Well, is that how your ex, your ex, coworkers treat you for the most part? Do you feel that they look at you in a weird way now? Yes and no. And I can explain that. The ones who knew me, I'm still friends with. The ones that were like vaguely acquainted with me or who were true believers in the, uh, in the torture program, they have nothing to do with me. And I am more than cool with that. And then there's this younger generation of people who joined the agency after I left, who hold me in this funny esteem,

and at least a half a dozen of them have reached out in the last year. One of them told me a very funny story. She was sitting in on a security briefing. Like, you have to do these mandatory security briefings, like every three years or every five years, whatever it is. And so part of the briefing was on counterintelligence. And they had this slide, this PowerPoint slide. And it was the insider threat.

And it had a picture of me. Oh, gee. And she said that everybody started to boo. And the presenter said, yeah, that's right. He was a bad guy. And they were like, no, no, we're booing you. He was a whistleblower. Good for you.

She said in the next running, they had deleted that slide. That's funny. I like that. Because you got to believe, like, my opinion on, like, Especially the military. I'm a very anti-war guy. I think there's enough for everybody. And we should respect sovereign nations and allow them to make, you know, to gain wealth from their own resources. That's what I believe. I don't think we should. But it seems to me that our military has become the stormtroopers of the international banking couple. Yeah. Yeah. Totally agree. You know, I remember when we were getting ready to kick off the Iraq war,

the joint chiefs of staff, they were 100% anti-war. They were against that war from the first time it came out of somebody from the White House's mouth. And I remember one of the guys at the agency said, these joint chiefs guys, they're always against war. And I said, that ought to tell us something.

Yeah. If the leading anti-war voices are the guys with four stars on their shoulders, maybe we ought to listen to what they had to say. I totally agree with that. And what really upsets me is all these 40 and 50-year-old people on the internet calling for war, knowing that they'll never, ever fight any of that war. Like, if you're pro-war, dude, join the draft, throw them right in the military, put them on the front line.

And, you know, it's like people don't want a draft, and I understand that. But what a draft does is gets, in particular, mothers, very involved in where we're sending our kids. without a draft, we're just all just sending poor kids to go die for bankers. You know, just to be honest with you, I did mushrooms at a World Series game one time. I was on Mushroom. I don't know why I thought that would be a good idea, but I decided to do it. And me and my girlfriend went to go watch the World Series. And the thing that I noticed was how much military propaganda was in that game,

like from like just you know bringing out the ex-soldiers everyone cheering them and if you're yeah and you know if you're a young kid who doesn't have a lot of what you believe is economic opportunity which i don't believe in but they believe that they're constantly told that man the military is a great place to go especially now when you're all you're hearing it's a i's taking all the jobs a i's doing this hb1 visas all this stuff man where am i where can i get a paycheck from well join the military man it's uh you get all these benefits you get to go to school well you're also going to be thrown in the middle of hell for a war that really has no other meaning than the steel natural resources you know my um my mom and dad both grew up very poor poor to the point

where my mom once missed a month of school because she had no shoes that kind of poor and um and my dad got drafted and he went to korea to the korean war And years later, he never, ever, ever talked about it. Never. And then years later, we had a recruiter come to my high school. I was a senior. And this is going to sound so stupid, but this is also very typical of me. The recruiter said, if you come down to the office on Saturday, just to talk, you don't

have to sign anything, I'll give you a free pack of tube socks. And I was like, hey, that's cool. It's like getting a free pizza, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mentioned to my dad, I said, hey, I'm going to go down to the Army recruiter on Saturday. He said, for what? And I said, just to talk, they're giving away socks. Like a timeshare.

Yeah, right. And he, I had never seen him like this before. He got very serious. He got right up in my face. And he said, if you go down there, you and I are going to have a serious problem, boy. And so I didn't. I didn't go. And then he was apoplectic when I joined the CIA.

He was like, what are you doing? Oh, my God. But my point is, he grew up poor. He ended up getting drafted. He saw that it was all BS from the get-go. And countless first and second cousins in my family. I had four cousins that served on the ground in Vietnam. Two were drafted and two joined the Marines.

But nothing good comes of stuff like that. Because you're right. In the end, it is for the bankers, and it is the poor people who end up going to fight. Yeah, you end up finding out there's alternative motives to stuff. I mean, the whole Gulf of Tonkin was a complete makeup, you know, and then you find out the golden triangle of heroin in that region, which they wanted to take over, which is, it sounds exactly like Afghanistan for a very long time. Yeah. And they just keep playing the playbook over and over again because there was no internet in which people. could share information. That's right.

When you look at the internet, what is your thoughts on it? Did it get away from them or is it exactly what they wanted in terms of, you know, uh, divide and conquer and my friend, you know, is it like doing exactly what they, it didn't get away from it. It's doing exactly what they wanted to do. Oh, I think this was exactly the plan. I remember the first time I had ever heard of email. I happened to be overseas in the Middle East.

I was on a mission, and the station chief said, hey, there's an all-hands meeting this afternoon at whenever. We're going to have some kind of computer demonstration. So I go to the office, and there are these two tech guys from headquarters, and they're showing us this thing called the Internet. I'd never heard of this. And what was the most fascinating was their demonstration of email, where there was a guy at headquarters, and they sent a message, and he responded.

And everybody was like, oohing and awing, like, oh my God, we had never seen anything like this before. Yeah. So the station chief says, wait a minute, wait a minute. Are you telling me that one of my people can send one of these e-mails to somebody in headquarters? And I don't know about it? And the guy said, yeah. And he said, I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.

I've played over that conversation in my mind a thousand times. And I've come to realize that even whether these implementers knew it or not, the idea was that there's always going to be somebody that knows about it. And you release this to the public eventually, which they did three or four or five years later. And everybody migrates everything they do in life to the internet. Where NSA can follow everything. CIA can follow everything. There's no problem. Now, our whole lives are out there and are not even subject to a warrant anymore because of the advent of something called a national security letter, which is just a letter from the FBI to one of the internet providers saying, we invoke national security statutes, we want all the metadata on John Kiriaku, and they turn it over, or even worse yet.

why bother going before a judge to ask for a warrant when you can just call, you know, Google and say, I want to buy this metadata that you have for sale. I want to buy all of John Kiriaku's metadata. Sure. It's for sale.

They sell it to anybody who asks for it. So why would you need a warrant when it's just publicly available for purchase? Yeah. We've gotten ourselves in a hole. Well, they say that, you know, if some, something's free, you're the product.

Exactly. And Gmail is like, hey, here's a free email. That's right. Here you go. It's for free. And now everybody's email is Gmail. Yeah. And it's like this scam that has been making the rounds on Facebook since there was a Facebook saying,

I saw on Channel 6 News last night that starting tomorrow, Facebook has access to all of your data. And what you have to do is cut and paste this statement. Did you not read the terms of agreement? You gave them everything when you started your Facebook account. Everything. They already own it. It's too late.

So now we've been talking about us for a long time, but it seems to be a lot of these platforms have connections to intelligence like Facebook, Google, Twitter, you know, you know, we got, I don't know, I don't know what to play for, I mean, it's obviously data, but you know, like Elon Musk buying Twitter opens it up. And for a brief second, it was like, it was, it was a wild west. And then they're like, okay, this guy out of control. Let's, let's lock this down. Like, there's certain things I can't tweet right now about what is happening in Minnesota. Like, there's a gift. Geif, GIF, whatever we call GIFs, what do we call GIFs?

I call GIFs. GIFs. You know, I forget what the director is, but he's like, absolute cinema. Yes, yes, yes. And I tried to, I've tried to post that with that GIF, and it will not let me. But for some reason, when I take the picture and post it of the GIF and just put that up, it lets me do it. It's very interesting. Scorsese, right?

Yeah, Scorsese. It's very, very interesting. interesting what they're doing. But you know, Elon? Are you, who or who or what? Well,

I mean, like the notion that Elon is kind of this, you know, we're not doing the Scorsese, Jeff, on, on anything to do with Minnesota, okay,

guys? No, but Johnny, it's literally happening. No, no, I, but the idea that Elon is actually like,

well, I didn't mean, no, I don't think Elon is, he's reading every tweet on yes, no, yes, no.

I often question how much he has to do with any of that shit, really. I'm sure he doesn't have to do, I'm sure, like, Well, the whole thing is to put people in position that you want to run it. He's the figurehead.

And you let them do their thing. And it's, it's, but it's interesting, dude. But the question, the question I want to ask is, are these just extensions of the government is Facebook, which was life lock? And then they, they don't even wait a day to, to register Facebook as a, as a business and an idea. the exact day they, which is February 4th, 2004, they end life lock at the Pentagon. The exact same day, they start Facebook. So the question becomes like how much of this is actually real. We're getting into AI, you're not going to know what's real.

Is the story of Facebook a real story? Or is it, they just found the kid through data, you know, whether it's the Gates program or whatever. Right. They go, okay, this kid is a little, he's a psychopath. he'll do anything. He doesn't care. Let's position him in the position because he's manageable. Like, they do that with Google. We see seed money from the CIA, you know, kind of a, I don't know if you call it a cutout, but like a CIA shell company helps give money to Google to kick them off, Facebook, and we keep going down all these different platforms. Yeah, I think all of that is true. I think that's all been part of the CIA's. plan, especially post 9-11.

You know, Matt Taibi and a couple of others did some really important work in those days just after Elon Musk bought Twitter. And Matt found that there were active duty CIA and FBI officers working at Twitter. And later on, we learned that there were active duty CIA and FBI, maybe even NSA at Facebook and at Google and these other places. I worked for a guy. I worked for a guy from 2000 to 2001 who had been the chief of a very large station and came back to headquarters.

I worked for him for like six months. And then he resigned. And I said, I said, you're resigning. You got 10 years to go to get your 30. And he said, Microsoft made me an offer. I couldn't possibly refuse. And he up and moved. to Washington State spent the rest of his career at Microsoft.

And what did he know about technology? Nothing. What is it? Is it access to the intelligence agencies or? I always believed it was. What the CIA saying hire this guy, we'll have a guy in there. Yeah. Probably yes to both.

Yeah. It's kind of crazy. So, you know, we're living in this kind of time where, you know, we believe certain countries might have a little bit of too much control. of our government, you know, the belief that certain countries have gotten us into wars for their own benefit. You know, I've been saying this for a while. I'd love to hear your opinion on it, but, you know, the notion that the CIA Mossad and

MI6, are they technically separate or are they just really all working together in a way that they just have different names for different areas? Oh, no. This is very precise. So there's an organization called the Five Eyes made up of the intelligence services of the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. They give each other literally unfettered access, literally, where now you see a CIA guy walking down the hall, you're just as likely to see an MI6 guy or an Australian guy or a Canadian guy or whatever. Mossad is different. the relationship is close, but the Mossad spies on the CIA.

The CIA does not spy on Mossad. We have not been allowed to spy on Israel since the Nixon administration. But Israel actively spies against the United States, against the CIA, the FBI, NSA, DOD very heavily, and especially DOD contractors. Now, that relationship is mostly a one-way street where we give, the Israelis just about everything that we collect. And then the Israelis give us very, very little in return. Like, they'll give us a lot of Iran stuff, but that's just to convince us to help them bomb Iran. Yeah.

And that's it. I've said more than once in public venues that one of the things the Israelis have never answered is what did they know about the planning for 9-11 and why did they not share it with us? like they won't even they won't even have that conversation they won't answer the question they won't even recognize the question and on the other side with the five eyes i mean we were joined at the hip starting with 9-11 you have a story that's illustrative of the israel thing right about how the facilities are uh you you have a special facility just for meetings is that right uh with yeah

when i when i first got hired at the CIA in january of 1990 um it was about i was about i was about six weeks into it in March of 1991, when my boss told me I was going to do my first foreign liaison briefing. And that's kind of a big deal, right? I was an overt employee, so I was going by my true name. And I was told that I was going to brief the Israeli Mossad and Shinbet representatives here in Washington. So much to my surprise, we didn't go to a conference room. we had to like get in our cars and drive to this safe house offsite. And my boss said, yeah, we, we never, ever talk to the Israelis in the building. In fact, the Israelis are not permitted to come in the building.

I was like, what? I mean, I briefed everybody from the prime minister of Fiji to the, you know, the leader of the Kurdish Democratic Party in headquarters. But the Israelis are not permitted in the building. And I said, why? And he said, well, you know, he said, well, you. Every time they would come, they would bring gifts. And, of course, we have to x-ray everything that comes into the building. And every single gift was, like, packed with listening devices and batteries.

And then we have to tell these guys, guys, stop doing this. Stop trying to bug our conference rooms. And they'd be like, oh, sorry. Oh, it was just a joke. It was a joke. Don't worry. And then we're like, no, you can't come in here anymore. And that was 35 years ago.

Why do you think it's, what was your, from the inside, what was your impression of why they continue to deal with them in that one side of way? Why are they given, why are they allowed that kind of power? Right. Yeah, that's the question. That's the question to which I do not have an answer. But they get away with it because, and we continue this incredibly close relationship with them because of political pressure.

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I wonder what that is. I mean, I have feelings, but it's just, I just think they represent something even bigger, you know, like the Bank of England and stuff like that. Like that, that area is very important for their plans. You know, the Greater Israel Project and stuff like that, that they allow them kind of this freewheeling way of operating. And politically, I think so many of the politicians, I mean, it's genuinely, based in theology, you know? Especially like... There are a lot of evangelicals who believe that silliness.

I'm with you on that, dude. But it's also blackmail. I mean, again, it's like if you even take a look at Pornhub, right? I mean, like, what's the connections to the intelligence agencies to Pornhub? I mean, it was the first website to, or was the fast website to 50 million subscribers. And it's free. Geez, I didn't know that. Yeah.

And it's free. And it's free. All you got to do is give them your email. And you're crazy to do that, dude. You know. They have your VPN or whatever they have. But it's like everything is data. And they've been, you know, before the internet, they did it through again,

through the skates program, people at these campuses. Who is, you know, if you go to Hertzell and the beginning of designism, I guarantee you, they identified him as a guy that had not. idea that could really help them. So they get on these campuses, they find out who, who's the most extreme, who's the most that, and they just start to push them in these kind of directions that could be helpful to the elites. And I think that's exactly what's happening. I know it sounds crazy, but if you have a porno that is a little risque and you see who's commenting on it or who's watching it and do they have political aspirations, you can start positioning people.

Hey, someone comes in nudges them, and maybe I'm wrong, Johnny. This might be too deep of a thought, but, you know, nudge them into political office. And then you're like, okay, we know this guy has a weird kind of fetish that we could maybe get them with. And then now we got them controlled. And you kind of look at like, why do states have term limits and why doesn't Washington have term limits? Why is Nancy Pelosi have a picture of hers a young person with JFK? You know, that's how long she's been around there.

Since JFK, man. Guess who was in the Gates program? Who? Candice Owens. And she's starting to say, like, I think I was being manipulated. She's on her podcast, she's like, I was in the Gates program, and I think that they were using me, and now they're trying to start to figure out, like... Johnny was in the Gates program, but he's so retarded.

Nobody wanted to work with him. No, that's why he's on tinfoil. Well, no, I mean, they put me in a different school, but it was... Yeah, they move you schools and everything. Yeah, Candice was talking about how they move you around, and they make you take this little pink drink, and then there's, like, a whole thing that they didn't have a pink drink. I know that that was the color of the fluoride that they would make us country boys take because we had well water. They'd make you swirl this fluoride when you went to the dentist.

It just seems like it just seems like it's such a deep. I think you're right though. Like especially if you're already on, you know, you're being monitored. And with AI now, I mean, they can monitor so many more people and collate that data much more easily, I assume. And they don't have to actually watch the data. They can just collect it until you become either something they're in. interested in or a problem. That's right. It's like this giant collection facility. I talk about this all the time, this giant NSA collection facility in the Utah desert that was built starting

around 2002. It has enough storage space for every phone call, every text message, and every email by every American for the next 500 years. Why? What are they going to do with that? Yeah, exactly. They just let it sit there until they need it to use against you. So the question always becomes, well, if I'm not doing anything wrong, why do I care of their spy on me? Just think about that statement. Well, Matt, may I add something? May I interrupt you? Yes, of course.

Do you know who was the first person to pose that question publicly? Who? It was Joseph Goebbels in 1936. Ah. Mm-hmm. If you haven't done anything wrong, then what are you worried about? That's not the issue at all. The issue is that it's being collected to use against me.

Yep. You know, what if you, what if you, you know, make a call to an abortion clinic or to a therapist or, God forbid, oh, my God, I saw a commercial the other day, transfer all your prescriptions to Amazon pharmacy. It's like, are you freaking kidding me? Yeah, dude, exactly. So Jeff Bezos can keep track of my medication. I wrote a comment on a Washington Post article just the other day. And the entirety of my comment was Washington Post, you've become the rag of the 1%. And when I hit Post, it said, your comment violates our community standards.

It's like what community, the billionaire community standards? Because it's just criticizing Jeff Bezos and they rejected the comment. Rejected it outright. Exactly. That's happened. That's exactly what happened to me on Twitter. Like, I know you think I'm crazy, but you start calling out the theater of Minneapolis where nothing's real. The IDF trains the ice.

The protesters are all paid. They're all professional. And then the people who cause chaos, the disruptors, they're all intelligence agents. You see the guy we talked about before, the guy who was burning the American flag in a mask. And then just walked off and they followed him and he wouldn't take off his mask. You're like, if you look at January 6th, too, same thing. What is it called? Agent provocateur.

Yeah, they're provocateurs. Agent provocateur, yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. And you just go, what is, again, what is real? What is, what in our world is God's reality? And I just think it all extends from the fact that we print all this money and we just use it to bribe everybody to, play their role in this giant Broadway production called, you know, culture. Yeah, I think that's right.

It's so crazy to me. Like, none of it's real, dude. None of it's real. So we get into, like, I don't know if you've commented on Epstein at all. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, it almost becomes a strides. The more they don't put it out, the more people want to look into, I think people want to look into.

I feel like we have the attention span of two weeks, and then we move on to the next big thing. That's why, if you ever have a scandal, just get off the internet for two weeks. Someone else will come in and be an idiot, and they'll all start talking about him. Which is why Dan Bogino is taking such guff these days. He was going to go drain the swamp,

and heads were going to roll, and he was going to crack heads, and then he just goes back to his podcast with his tail between his legs, being unusually defensive. as to why he didn't accomplish anything. Well, I mean, like, do you think it's actually possible to make any changes in these intelligence agencies?

Like, if you're like, I'm going to go in and, like, they position you. It's almost like a coach who goes into, like, the New York Jets. It's like, you can try to do everything you want, but that's a culture of losing right there. That's right. Ran by crazy people. Yeah.

So it's like, you got these two guys coming in. You know, it's like, I'm going to turn the FBI headquarters into a museum. And then in two seconds, he's like, there's no, there's no, there's no list. There's no anything. It's like, what did you take out of his house? What were those boxes you were carrying? You know, like, what are you talking about? Like, ones, and the question becomes also, like, a demoralization campaign as well. It's like, yes. You know, you have, you have Pam Bondi, filmed by Project Veritas, perfectly shot saying there's images, everyone. and she's just having lunch talking with somebody about this.

Shot perfectly. Oh my God. Pam Bondi says there's 10,000 videos of them hurting kids. Perfectly shot. And then she comes out and says there's nothing there. That's a giant demoralization campaign. And I look at everything through a demoralization campaign. You know, how are they trying to demoralize us?

A lot of this is with these judges letting out criminals. The big thing is now it's not even that, okay, you're letting these criminals out. Now if this guy enters my house and I defend myself, I'm the one getting arrested. Yes. That's all part of a demoralization campaign to beg for martial law. And you see it happening over and over and over again, which is very Bolshevik, which is all part of this Bolshevik revolution. It's crazy to me.

As you watch things like the governor's Minnesota governor kidnapping case where it's like... Or Michigan. Michigan. Excuse me, dude. 15 people were going to kidnap her. 13 of them were basically on the FBI payroll. And then we go into January 6 where there's over 300 agents there. How about, have you ever heard of the Route 82 Bridge conspiracy?

No. In Cleveland? Oh, my God. So there were these three idiots and they're in a bar and they're drinking. And this guy that they know comes in and he sits with them and he starts drinking. And he says, hey, you know, it would be really cool. We should blow up the Route 82 bridge. Route 82, before there was an international, I'm sorry, an interstate highway system,

Route 82 is a main road from Philadelphia to Cleveland. And there's a major, you know, concrete expansion bridge that's, that takes you into the city of Cleveland. So they get this, the guy says, I've got, dynamite. I've got a detonator. I've got all this stuff. Well, of course, he's an FBI informant. And they placed these phony explosives. They push the plunger. The FBI comes out of the bushes and grabs the three of them. So, first of all, they were entrapped. They were just sitting there drinking mind in their own business. They didn't have any plans to blow up the Route 82 bridge.

they were targeted by the FBI. This guy was just trying to, you know, win some points for himself, to save himself from some other case by ratting out these three idiots. But they got 20, 25, and 30 years in prison for conspiracy to commit terrorism and conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction. That's what the FBI does to people. Now, I'll give you another example. I'll give you two examples.

personal ones. When I was, after I left the CIA, I went to the private sector for a few years, four years. Then I went to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee as the senior investigator. And one of the things I loved about that job was you get to have lunch with foreign diplomats all the time. So it was like being overseas in the agency again. And you talk about all the issues of the day. It's a lot of fun.

So I got a call from the Japanese embassy one day. and this guy introduces himself as the number three. His English was absolutely terrible. So he spoke to me in Arabic. He was the embassy's Arab expert, and he knows my past, you know, was in the Middle East and that I spoke Arabic. And so would you like to meet for lunch? I said, sure.

So we meet at Charlie, whatever it's called, Steakhouse up on Capitol Hill. They just went out of business. And I remember that lunch very well. we talked about the Middle East peace process. We talked about Turkish elections and Israeli elections. And at the end of it, I said, well, this was a lovely lunch. Thank you so much for the invitation. And he says, no, wait a minute, wait a minute.

He says, so what's next for you? And I said, well, I promised Senator Kerry. John Kerry was the chairman at the time. I said, I promised Senator Kerry I'd give him two years. It's been two and a half. I have five kids and I need to make some money to send my kids to college. So I think I'm going to go back into the private sector again. And he goes, no, he goes, don't do that.

If you give me information, I can give you money. And I said, shame on you, cold pitching me like that. That's the worst pitch ever. Yeah, I said, how many times do you think I've made that pitch? Shame on you. I'm reporting this. And I got up and I went directly without stopping to the office of the Senate security officer.

And I said, I was just pitched by a foreign intelligence officer. So he had me sit at this standalone computer, not connected to the internet. I wrote a memo and he hand delivered it to the FBI. Then he called me the next day and said, the FBI is going to send two FBI agents up to interview you. I said, great. So the next day, I meet them. in the Senate security office, and I told them the whole story.

And they said, okay, here's what we want you to do. We want you to call him back, invite him to lunch, and try to get him to tell you what information he wants and how much money he's willing to pay for it. And because I'm a patriot, I said, you want me to wear a wire or something? And they said, no, no, we're going to be at the next table. We're going to listen to everything. I said, well, he doesn't speak English. Well, we're going to have an Arabic speaker there.

I said, okay. The next day I called him. He agreed to lunch. We set a date. And then the morning of the lunch, the FBI guy calls me and says, something came up. Just go ahead and do the lunch, but send us another memo. So I did the lunch. And then I did a third lunch and a fourth lunch and a fifth lunch each time at the urging of the FBI.

And then I would write these extraordinarily detailed memos and send them to FBI headquarters. So in the last lunch, the guy says to me, listen, I got promoted. I got my dream job. I'm going to be the number two in the Japanese embassy in Cairo. And I shook his hand. I said, good luck. I never saw him again. A year later, I'm under arrest.

And we get discovery from the Justice Department. 15,000 pages of classified discovery. And in this discovery, we find two things of import. Number one was a memo from John Brennan to Eric Holder, the attorney general, saying, charge him with espionage. And Holder writes back and says,

my people don't think he committed espionage. And then Brennan writes back and says, charge him anyway and make him defend himself. Oh my God. So they arrested me and they charged me with three counts of espionage plus two other felonies. Now, this is a death penalty offense. Oh my God.

Yeah. And then the other thing we found was that there never was any Japanese diplomat. He was an FBI agent trying to get me to commit actual espion. But I kept reporting the contact back to the FBI. And so the Arabic-speaking Japanese diplomat writes a letter to him. His boss, what was his name that got arrested during Trump 1 and thrown out? Stephen, no, no, that wasn't it. Anyway, whatever his name is, famous.

The guy that had an affair and he said, we got to stop Trump, we got to remember that? No, I don't. But that, what was his role in the government? He was the head of the counterintelligence division in the FBI. I'll look at up. Okay. That's crazy, dude. So the FBI, the Japanese diplomat wrote to him and said,

I think we should end this operation. He's clearly not going to take the bait. So that's when he said, oh, I got promoted. I'm going to Cairo. Because I wasn't. Peter, Peter Stroke. Peter Stroke. Peter Stroke.

Yes, Peter Stroke. There we go. Peter Stroke. So they gave up. Now, the day before I left for prison, my lead attorney pulls me aside. and he said, listen, my sources are telling me that DOJ is very upset that you got such a short sentence. So heads up, they're probably going to try to set you up in prison.

Oh, my God. I said, okay, I'll be on my, you know. So you were found guilty. That's what you're telling me? You were found guilty of espionage? No, no, they dropped all the espionage charges. I took a plea to a lesser charge just to make the things. thing go away. I had five kids at home.

That is crazy. So should I take 23 months or should I risk 12 to 18 years, which is what they were offering? So I took the 23 months and thought, well, I'll just apply for a pardon, you know, someday, which I have done. And the president is considering it. So in any event, I'm in prison about, let me think, about three months, three and a half months. And down the hall from me at end of the hall, there was an Afghan-American guy. He was a pharmacist with a bad oxy habit. And he was doing six years. So he comes up to me and he says, hey, buddy, there's a new prisoner who wants to meet you. And I said, oh, okay, who's that? He goes, he's the spokesman for the Taliban. And I said, are you talking about that guy from New Jersey that got arrested for, like, conspiracy to commit terrorism or

something. He said, yeah, he just arrived here. I said, I don't want to have anything to do with that guy. I don't have anything to say to the Taliban past or present. And he says, oh, okay, I'll tell him. About four days later, I'm in the yard, just exercising. And I see this guy with a beard down to his waist. And he's walking toward me with his arm straight out, like to shake my hand. So I put up my hands like this. And I said, don't fucking touch me. And as soon as I said it, I looked past him and in the woods on the opposite side of the fence is one of the guards with a camera with a long telephoto lens. Oh my God. Yeah. Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. And I said, don't fucking touch me. And I kept my hands in the air. And he goes, come on, man. I want to be friends.

We have a lot in common. And I said, the only thing we have in common is that I used to try to kill people like you. Get the fuck away from me. Holy shit, dude. Yeah. And he goes, come on, man. I said, I'm serious. Get away from me or I'm going to break your face.

And so he walked away and I put my hands down. And then I walked in the opposite direction. And he was transferred out the next day. He had been in my prison for five days. Unreal. He was sent there just to entrap me. Not for any other reason. Holy shit, dude.

Just the hand. Yeah. They have to make an example of you, right? That's why. Yeah. And see, if I had shaken his hand, they had pictures. They would have had pictures of me shaking his hand. And then he would have testified that I was so angry I had been prosecuted that he

and I were conspiring. And I asked him to, you know, kill my prosecutor, kill my judge, kill the FBI, whatever. Holy shit, dude. That is crazy. Do they have any scruples in that situation about just wholly lying? having him lie? Absolutely not. None at all.

Right. Absolutely not. Remember, at least at the CIA, we were trained liars. We're trained to lie every day. Why should the FBI be any different? Oh, my God, dude. It was bad. What did they nail you with?

If there's all these things that you wouldn't do it. I can tell you exactly what they got me on. In the summer of 2008, a journalist wrote me an email and he said, I'm doing a book on this CIA rendition of this Egyptian guy in Milan. Can you introduce me to any of these 12 people? And he listed these 12 names. I wrote back and I said, I don't have any idea who these people are. And then he sent me a second email and he said,

can you introduce me to any of these 12 people? And I said, buddy, you clearly know this issue so much better than I do. Kidnapping was not my thing at the agency. I didn't work with the kidnappers. I did my own thing. And then he said, in a third email, what about the guy that you describe on page like 138 of your book? I think his name is John.

And I said, oh, you're talking about John Doe. I don't know whatever happened to him. He's probably retired and living in Virginia someplace. But I mentioned his last name. Oh, Doe. And so they got me. well, I'm telling you it's John. They got me for violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982.

Yeah, that was it. And the name was never made public. Right. And they take that. Never made public. They take that very seriously, right? Yeah, they did with me. That's so, oh, God.

When you see John Brennan on CNN, what's that due to you? You have some stories about his competences. well. Yeah, I have maintained for many years and publicly that Brennan was in well over his head intellectually. He was not a shining star at the agency. He latched on to George Tenet and George Tenet created him. There was nothing special about John Brennan, nothing. He just played ball and he was compromised, probably. He was really, really good at office politics. And when Tenet started making his rise in the organization, Brennan latched on to him and he created John Brennan. But does it drive you crazy that these people that seem to have been doing what would be considered any other time in history, treason?

Like I always say that, like if Benedict Arnold was around today, he wouldn't be seen as a treasonist operative. he would be a talking head on MSNBC? He probably would. Or BBC in that case. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he probably would. Yes. You know, there's so many things.

We don't have enough time to go over the crimes that a string of directors of central intelligence have committed. You know, I was prosecuted for revealing this name. Well, while I was being prosecuted, the CIA director Oh, what's the matter with me? He was the CIA director under Obama. General...

Johnny, will you look that up? Oh, what's the matter with me? Johnny's looking it up right now. I got to say, this doesn't help your credibility, John. Were you really at the CIA? I've blacked them out. General Petraeus. So while I was on trial,

General Petraeus revealed the identities of ten covert operatives to his adulterous girlfriend. He was charged with a misdemeanor. He was given a fine. And at sentencing, the judge came down from the bench to shake his hand and thank him for his service to the country. Also, while I was in prison, I wrote an op-ed that ran, I wrote in longhand, an op-ed that that ran in the Los Angeles Times saying, I got two and a half years in prison. Why does Leon Panetta get a break?

So Leon Panetta revealed the names of all of the members of the SEAL team that killed Osama bin Laden. That's six violations of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. And then he revealed 27 lines of classified information to Catherine Bigelow and Mark Bull, the director and writer of Zero Dark 30, both of whom were

uncleared. And then he just said, oh, my bad. Sorry. And that was it. There were never any charges filed against Director Panetta. Rules for thee and not for me. That's right.

That's the way it is. So as we talk about all these crimes that so blatantly get violated by our intelligence agencies, the question becomes, what is their actual purpose? right what are they doing like are they are they really a law enforcement or and you say there's a lot of

people you you you said around 95 percent are our patriotic people and I get an argument with a good friend of mine named Brian Callan he's very pro CIA um and I'll take your word that's 95 percent but what do you think the purpose is of these intelligence agencies and why they seem to be so ingrained in manipulating our culture, manipulating our laws, manipulating our intelligence operations? Like, what do you think the purpose is? I've got an answer for you. When I was, when I was working on the seventh floor, the executive floor of the CIA, I was the executive assistant to the deputy director for operations. Very important position. And in that position, you have access to literally everything that the CIA is doing around the world. He had this

mantra that he would repeat almost every single day, that the job of the CIA is to recruit spies to steal secrets and to analyze those secrets so that the policymaker can make the best informed policy, period. That's it. But like any bureaucracy, especially in national security, it's constantly clawing for more authorities, right? And once it's given an authority, it never, ever

gives it back. If you have 5,000 employees, you need 10,000. If you have 10, you need 20. If you have 20, you need 40. And you'll never, ever downsize. Ever. 9-11 was the greatest gift

that anybody could have given to the intelligence community. And not just the intelligence community, but to intelligence community contractors, everybody got rich everybody and so the CIA now is so deeply ingrained it's been around for so many decades just when you thought you could control them with the creation first of the of the church and pike committees which then became the senate select committee on intelligence and the house permanent select committee on intelligence then you know Reagan becomes president and

and orders Iran-Contra and everything just turns to shit again. And then 9-11, which gives them unfettered authorities to just go around the world and kill anybody who looks at them cock-eyed. They're never going to give that stuff up. Not unless there's some catastrophe that's their fault or they kill, you know, some world leader and get caught or kill a president and get caught. Otherwise, that's it. They're here to stay.

The best we can do at this point is to ensure that they operate within the confines of the law. And even that is almost impossible, especially when justice departments are loathe to charge CIA officers at a high level or CIA directors with a crime, even when felonies have obviously been committed. Is that 95% number? Does that apply to the top to higher up you go? Or would you say that? No. No. I was wondering about that. No, I mean at the bottom of the pyramid. Yeah. Once you go up, I would assume that risk is much.

Yeah. Can I get. And then you get like John Deutsch. John Deutsch was director under Bill Clinton. John Deutsch stole a classified laptop with thousands of classified documents on it so that he could jog his memory while writing his memoir. You know, and then he ended up coming to some sweetheart deal. He paid a fine and he voluntarily gave up his security. parents. General Petraeus, 18 months of unsupervised probation, and you pay a fine. No problem.

Leon Panetta, no worries. You can out anybody you want. Nobody's going to prosecute you. Mike Morel gives a classified briefing over a classified mock-up of the bin Laden compound to Mark Bowling, Catherine Bigelow, and then accepts tickets to the Premier and the people who couldn't make the premier got watches from Catherine Bigelow. And that's okay. That's not going to be prosecuted. No worries. Now, we talk about the deep state and we hear that phrase.

How much does the CIA change and mission and focus with presidential administrations? None at all. It does. Not at all. No. No. It operates. I mean, presidents think they're in charge of the CIA.

And Donald Trump has fired a dozen or two people. But no, there really is a deep state. I say this all the time. You don't have to call it the deep state. It doesn't have to be some nebulous, dark, whatever, force. It's the federal bureaucracy. This is the system that we've given ourselves, where they know that presidents come and go.

Every four years, every eight years, it's going to be somebody different. And if the president orders you to do something that you don't want to do, you just ignore him. That's it. That's what it comes down to. You just ignore him. He'll be gone eventually, and you'll be there for 30 or 35 years. Wow.

Fascinating. It is fascinating. And basically, there's no real way to corrupt it unless it's a giant upheaval of what we're going to do. And, you know, these things that you see in Minnesota right now, it seems to be this movement. I think it started again, it's been going on forever, but really started to kick in with the Michigan governor kidnapping January 6th, this movement. to name, be able to label American citizens as domestic terrorists. And once you do that, you see that your constitutional rights are gone. You're black-bagged, you're thrown in a cell, you can't talk to your lawyer.

Yes. And it's just, it's crazy to me how people don't see big picture. And martial law is what they want. I mean, that was even eroded under Obama, right? What was the American citizen that they droned? Yeah, on where I'll like you. Yes, yes, yes. And his son a week later.

Which is, I mean, that was at the time, I remember, I mean, now that seems like, of course they did that. But at the time, that was, that was a big step, you know, for. Yeah, I mean, again, Obama and the media, which is very weird because nobody watches the mainstream media, yet their narrative is everywhere. It's very weird to me. You know, they want you to demonize podcasters because they don't think they control them, even though we brought up several people we think our kids. controlled, you know, and put out narratives.

You know, like, you know, we've been discussing that, you know, there's foreign agencies that want to label Islamic extremists as the bad guys. And I'm not saying that there are, I mean, I have a tattoo of the Armenian genocide. I know what Muslims can do. I'm not going to sit there and say that they're benevolent in any way. But this movement to demonize this group of people with running through, like, Dearborn in Michigan and what's happening in Minnesota, is this movement to create again martial law,

which means our rights are gone. Indeed. Couldn't agree more. And nobody seems to worry about it. If you're fighting over race or gender or any ideology there, you're so lost, you've already lost the battle. Totally. I agree.

I mean, when you look like, and it's so funny, they run elections too. Like I have no faith in elections anymore. People, people always like, well, you voted for Trump. I didn't vote for Trump. The last time I voted for either of these parties was Obama's first term after 9-11 because he promised the end these wars and we didn't realize he was a Bush. His grandfather, who M.K. Altered his mother, was his cousins with George Bush Sr. They built the CIA together. But we were sold on that. And, like is and it's just people just

that every time we need a hero they'll supply it and they supply charismatic people who say what we want to hear and they're allowed to get away with a lot more than someone we hated like whether it's a Biden or George Bush Jr. We hate these guys and

we watch them every move and if they do something wrong we call it out but the guy we all like man we just accept anything they do because that would be admitting that we were wrong and we want our team to win It's like so many of my friends who were so

anti-cop because of January 6th, right? Oh, the cops, they set us up, and it was an FBI operation, and they had all these informants and the cops planted the bomb and blah, blah, blah.

And they're the same people who are supporting the FBI and ICE in Minnesota. Yeah. It's like, what, do you, even listen to yourself. Yeah, it's crazy. The mental gymnastics people have to do. Yeah, I mean, it would stand a reason that those are the same people that set you up that are

on the ground in Minnesota. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Why wouldn't it be? Yeah, of course. What is it organic about any of this? I got to tell you something funny. I shit on the FBI at every opportunity. Right. And last week, I got an invitation to be the keynote speaker at an FBI at the FBI's annual off-site conference. That's so curious. Can you imagine? Why do you think that is? You know, I really like Cash Patel.

I don't have any idea what Cash Patel's politics are, but I like him because he's a bomb thrower. And if anybody's going to be able to, like, really work to reign in the FBI, I thought it would be Cash Patel. Now I'm not so sure, but I thought it would be Cash Patel. You get in, they start showing you videos and people you love and angles, like it's the old Bill Hicks joke, the angles of the Kennedy assassination

that no one's ever seen before. That's right. Any question? That's right. Yeah. I don't know how to, I don't know how to control it. I don't know what it is. I kind of detach from it and just prepare

myself for chaos and, you know, loading up on everything I can to try to take care of my kids. And that seems to be the play, but to get lost in this stuff. You know, like the girl gets shot, okay. you know, and just the way it's everywhere all at once. Yeah, I've always said if it makes it to sports center, you know it's an intelligence operation. That's right.

Something political makes it the sports center. They're pushing a narrative. John, it was a great conversation. I know you got a heart out. So we'll end up there. Thank you. One more time. The pleasure's mine.

One more time. Johnny, did you have anything you wanted to ask or did we get to it? No, no. Yeah. Okay. One more time. Tell them where they can find you. Thank you.

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Anytime all the time. Let's break down the episode. All right. What did you guys think of John? Dude, I never thought we'd have him on. I'm glad we made it happen. We were professional. Yeah, we didn't ask no dumb questions.

I got to do it. I wanted to. What was it? You wanted to ask some dumb questions? Well, I wanted to get into, you know, like, I guess I asked all the questions I wanted to ask. I was trying to think if there were, like, stuff that would be a little bit more contentious. But I feel like he was pretty open-minded.

He's pretty open, yeah. Like, most of the things where I thought he would give some push-back, he was like, no, they're doing that. Like, the podcast, like Sean Ryan and all, like, naming. But, you know, he's really right. And it's, you can also look at Alex Jones. Like, you could go Alex Jones's court case was a farce, but he does owe that money. Yeah.

And, you know, and he's always like, they're taking Info Wars. And then he's still there. Yeah, it's so confusing. But I do think. Does that mean you work for somebody else now, Alex? Well, I think there's somebody's like, we'll fix all your problems. I mean, they're going to give Barry Weiss 200 mil for a show that gets nothing. what they're going to do for Alex Jones

that gets a bazillion views. And, you know, I was... But he hates Candace Owens. Like, he hates her. And it's just interesting. You really think he hates her or they're telling him to hate her? Yeah, it could be K-Fab.

Yeah, I don't really think he hates. I mean, come on, he's a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, I mean, that, good point. That's the theater of it. But I also like that when you brought up demoralization campaigns, he was like right there with that. I was thought maybe he wouldn't be hip to that, but he's like, totally like, oh, yeah.

that's what's happening. Yeah. Johnny, were you excited because I know you wanted to make that happen? Are you excited that I didn't fuck that up? Well, I mean, what do you mean? You're a professional podcast. I am a professional podcast. Some people should realize that.

That I'm really good at that. I feel like we're professional. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think where we could have challenged him more. I don't know. I'm sorry I brought that up earlier because it's not really what I meant. No. I was like, should I ask a harder question? but I think I asked all the real questions I wanted to ask. I mean, there's a certain person that's going to be listening to this.

That's going to, that's XG, not me. That's going to be thinking like you can never, like what you said, you can never trust somebody has ever worked for the CIA. That prison story is the craziest shit I've seen in my life. Yeah. And if you listen to him, he's got so many crazy stories like that where they have effed with him and just like. Would you guys still live in America if America, if the government,

put you through that. I don't know if I would want to go live in France or somewhere where I'm like CoSahrica. Yeah, I don't understand why he's, I'm like buying land in Costa Rica they say is the new Bitcoin because it's about to blow up. The thing though is... Or El Salvador too, because El Salvador has become the

safest place in the world. No criminals. They can fuck with you just as easily there as they do here. The CIA, man, if they want you. Yeah, they can fuck everywhere. It's probably easier there because you have fewer rights. But it's like the question is like who is the CIA's master? I think it's these bankers.

That Israel thing is proof of that. Yeah, I think they're the bankers. And I think it's the Bank of England. And it's so good to see people start talking about that. Because I would say that. And then you would hear them, you know, I get yelled at because I'm not behind the, I'm not saying the Jews. Dana thinks I'm a Nazi. It's so crazy.

I get called a fascist and a Nazi. I say Hitler was controlled opposition. And I want as little government as possible. How am I a Nazi fascist? Yeah. It's like crazy, right? No, it is crazy. Yeah.

It's, I've been, the Nazi thing, it's just tremendous to history. It's that endlessly fascinating. I've been listening to this history series on YouTube about their rise to power. And it's, yeah, they were just so much money behind them, bringing them in. And then. Yeah. And then people kind of, when they started doing something, of the shit that they said they were going to do.

You know, then people were, some of them were like, wait, wait, what now? But even if you go, you go, okay, you got rid of this and he changed that and their economy was doing great. I go, well, if I want- Their economy was not doing great, though. It was all propped up by, and he, if he didn't expand Germany, it would have failed.

It was all like a, it was kind of like a house of cards. But even if it's the illusion that's doing great, when Trump's like, greatest economy of all time, you know, it's like, I don't know. There's people seems to be struggling, you know. But if you want to get a country of people to rally around somebody, you allow him to thrive so that everyone gets, because if your whole job is to implode this country,

you need as many of them to go to war and be taken out as possible. Well, dude, he sat down, Hitler sat down with the newspapers, because they, the Nazis better than anybody, understood propaganda, and the value of controlling the news and what people, consumed. This is the thing that doesn't get taught about as much as it should, that they made sure that everybody had a radio for the first time.

There was, like, government programs to get radios into people's houses, these little portable radios for the first time. And he sat down in the newspapers, Hitler did, and said, like, listen, I hear you guys talking about peace all the time. Like, peace is a virtue. That's not, peace is not a virtue for our country. We want,

and this is documented by several of the newspaper editors that were in these conversations, we want Ward it would be a virtue. We want people to be ready and to need war. You know, like for there to be a hunger for war was how he phrased it, I think. You know, and to feel that we can only get

what we deserve through combat, because he knew he was kind of laying there. And you see that with our government, like trying to... Do you think that's going on now? Absolutely. The way people were excited about Mondoro, we could... I wish we would ask them that. I had to be... I kept wanting to do it.

He had to go. Yeah. Fuck! Yeah, I wanted to bring that up to you, because he would have had a good perspective because that was honestly that's the kind of thing he used to do like he was he was extract an asset he was well he would he was he was hunted terrorists like people that you know and he brought in some of the first guys to get caught that you know had connections to terrorism stuff like real that's another thing i didn't get into is like the the the controlling of the opposition as well yeah yeah i mean we we know that's going on you know you just listen to all

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Ontario only, please play responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact ConX Ontario at 1866-531-260 to speak to an advisor, free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. Yeah. Something I forgot to ask him was, do you think there's a software to detect AI? Like, let's say if someone makes a crime of me doing something and it goes to court, you think eventually an AI video can put someone in court where they're like,

we don't know if that's AI. That's concerning. Yeah, that is concerning. Yeah, like what Johnny just said in six months, you're not going to be able to talk. Ask Tyler Robinson. You're right. Yeah, that's another farce. right there.

Like, dude, that story's just such bullshit. Like, and here's a problem with people. They're so mad at Candace for asking questions. Like, they're so mad. And I'm like, a guy got assassinated if you want to believe he's dead, right? And he's not in Vahala. And his wife is doing political rallies. And Erica Kirk is not helping.

Like, she is just living her best life. It's so crazy. Like, I understand if you got divorce and you were just slinging pee everywhere. I remember how Jackie, responded to Kennedy. Like she went on it like She ended up getting some dick But for a while she was done

Yeah but there was some weird stuff too You ever hear about that phone call Between her and Lyndon B. Johnson? Yes that is very suspect bro But she at least played at Greek Yeah just can you grieve for a month Before you start doing WrestleMania shows

And she's doing and she's doing the whole opposite of what Charlie would say She would say mothers needs to stay at home Take care of the kids How are you going to run the CEO? Oh that's a great point dude Like how are you going to want to see? By the way, where are your kids?

Have you seen a picture of her with her kids since? And then that one former stripper, senator, Luna or something like that out of Florida. She used to be a stripper. Oh, yeah, boy, she's smoking. Yeah, she's smoke show. She's like, and she lost her kids. And you're like, what? And then she had the backtrack on that.

It makes you really wonder if those were her kids at all. Oh, boy. Right? Right? Yeah, boy. And it's like all this stuff's coming out about how much CIA involvement she had. And basically her parents did to her what Obama's grandpa did to his mother, which was turned them into MK Ultra Sexkins.

Right? They sent her in to just capture Charlie Kirk. And who knows if that was a real relationship or not? Anna Polina, right. Yeah. She's like, and she lost her kid. She's like, where are the kids? What do you mean she lost them?

She doesn't know where they are right now. He went back to the orphanage she stole them from. Well, Romania. And now I forget who was talking about, but someone big was talking about how Obama kids aren't Obama's. Like, that's how deep did the seat go. They look just like him and his wife. No, dude. The lady who delivered both the kids looks exactly like the daughter and her husband looks exactly like the older one.

How's she going to have a kid if she has a dick? actually asking the scientific questions Stop bringing science in Clones Clones Stop bringing science in dude I mean we think they clone everybody But they don't clone somebody to have a kid

I totally buy that they would do that If they Clown children Yeah I'm no no like clone Obama Or his wife to make the kids look like him Dude have you seen the funny meme Where it's like Vince McMahon You know where he has that over-excited

Where he's like how Yeah he's about a jazz Yeah So did that with Don Lemon right? They're like arrest a gay black man. Yes, I saw that. With the KKK law.

I'm Martin Luther King Day. You're like, Ah! Dana thinks I'm a fucking a Nazi, but it's like, dude, you've got to call out stupid. Stop ODing on these dumb shows.

Like, I can get a fight with her, be like, I don't want you to turn on these channels on this TV. Go in the other room in the gas room and watch your dog shit.

What does she watch? MS now? Oh, she loves to go back and forth between CNN and MSNBC. And then my mother, who I love with all my heart, she thinks she's like hearing both sides by watching both Fox News and MSNBC. I'm like, Mom, you're hearing both sides of retarded. Yeah, it's a very narrow spectrum of those two. They're both, they, when it comes to war, they're both on the same side.

Every time. Every time. All right, guys. Oh, yeah, real quick. If you want to see me live, I forgot to tell you, I got to get these dates up. But here are some shows coming to a theater near you. I am going to be in, here we go. February 10th, comedy cast at the Hollywood.

February 20th, I'm in Baltimore. February 21st, I'm in Pots Town. February 28th, I'm in Vegas doing an improv show with my old improv troupe. It's like our 40th anniversary or 30th anniversary. Oh, really? Yeah. So we're going to go back and do it. Baker's Field

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please subscribe all right Johnny's dream came true I hope you enjoyed it enjoy these highlights here's a clip from the latest broken sim so everyone's going crazy can we watch that

can you find it Hot chicks are going crazy in the comment section. Some chick asked me to save Canada. She's hot. I'm coming. If hot chicks call, if hot chicks are in trouble, Daddy will come running. All right. I got it right here.

Here we go. Share the screen. Share the screen. See, we're an interactive show. Dude, you decide the content. My first visit of a Canadian prime minister to China and New York. nearly a decade.

The world has changed much since that last visit. Look at this chick, yes. August he's made in the partnership sets us up well for the new world order. Is he the least dramatic? I mean, this guy is to run the Bank of England.

Why would you ever vote a lizard person in? And I don't even believe that they voted for him. I can't believe he talks like. Like, I just, let's play that one more time. So dramatic. Can we watch it dramatic? Oh. It's like dramatic, but it's like the most dramatic, least charismatic. Johnny, will you put out a poll?

Who pause more? Pearl Davis or. It's the least dramatic. I mean, the most dramatic, least charismatic speech ever given possibly. Mine is the first. It sounds like your accountant sitting you down and telling you. Happy birthday, Jamie Stah, real quick. It sounds like your accountant sitting you down telling you, you got problems.

You know what I mean? Yeah, you're broke. Listen. I know. I know we advise you on a bunch of stuff. Mr. Tripoli. You have not been paid. I mean, it's like he's delivering bad news or something.

Mine is the first visit of a Canadian Prime Minister to China in nearly a decade. Look at her, look at her shaking her head. Yes. The world has changed much since that last visit. Yes, yes. I believe the progress that we have made in the partnership sets us up well for the new world order. What? What?

That's so weird, dude. Yeah. He's like, dude. It's like Canada. You are apt in your B, dude. You just voted in a lizard person. I don't care if you were janitor at the Bank of England. Never let them in.

Never let them in. Imagine that guy talking. talking to the Chinese, by the way. You know how fast the Chinese talk. This guy. They're like, oh, do you, my job, go, and he's like, New World, Autumn. You talk too slow. Talk faster. You know, like, what? I'm with you. I need a green card to America. That was so, I'm, thank you. Who was it that's told us to look at that. Everybody in the in the comment section. So strange. Oh,

what a creep, right. Canada is such a great country. And they just voted in retarts. Yeah, totally. Speaking of, well, hot chicks. This is, I know you saw this because you retweeted it, but boy, this worries me, dude. This is the future. I mean, only fans, chicks are getting a run. You thought that was a safe place to park your money or, you know, not park your money.

You saw that was a safe job in this gig economy in the future. It's not. Look what. We got these Indian guys. doing now, bro. Look at this. Dude. How crazy is this? Yeah. That's live render, dude. That's like, oh, yeah. Maybe

it's not live, actually. You're going to be pounding your pud to Jets, dude. You might be doing that. He might be, he might have done that in post, actually. Oh, my God. Oh, it's so concerning. Catfish is such another level. I feel so bad for hot chicks.

Oh, it got a little weird right there. It got a little when he turned sideways. Do you see it lost them for a second, right? Look at the cheeks. You see? They got weird right there. Oh, yeah. That's weird. Yeah, right there.

Johnny, Johnny, that's a boner killer in your world, huh? When she starts having weird, weird facial spasms, like, oh,

you just killed this boner cheat. Can you mind? Dude, like the guys in the dating apps are reporting more and more that it's bots there, but they don't know why. Like,

this is a thing. I saw it on Reddit, that it's like clearly fake accounts, but they don't, they're not doing anything to you. You know what I mean? Because there's a bunch of, bunch of guys who want to give dudes boners.

You think that's what it is, huh? Yeah. Really? By the way, if we have enough gay listeners, we'll do a gay Bluetooth ad read too. Oh, dude. Well, I thought that's what we were doing. Okay. Dude, give us her gay dollars and we push gay boner pills.

Um, so now this is KG, we're going to be pushing the limits of the new YouTube standards with cursing here. But I thought you'd enjoy this. This is Kevin Garnett blaming LeBron for. Oh, I. I love this clip, dude. I love this clip. Yeah, I love Kevin Garnett, by the way.

He's so cool. All right, here we got. Let me just turn it down. Ron and get into shit, he fucked the whole tradition up. When Tobs slap the flow told that nigga, let's go one-on-one. And he passed it. He fucked up the whole tradition. Damn.

Don't nobody want to hear this? Yeah, I'm one of them gatekeepers. I can say this. Everybody went in. Bro, he slapped flow on your ass. You're supposed to nail his ass with the three. Boom. Bitch ass, think, what's up?

Y'all supposed to go right there. Right. Lord didn't want none of that motion. He's sworn that bitch. Dude, if you could take Kobe's mentality and put it in LeBron James, you would have the greatest player. I mean, oh,

the God James is in the discussion of the greatest player ever for sure. But if he had Kobe's mentality, it would have been over. Watch that, watch Carmelo's reaction to what happened. And then I'll show you the full clip. That's what mama's like, nah,

see, you don't want this new, right, talking crazy. Yeah, I hate to get to the, that's what really happened. Yeah.

And ever since then, we've been off the trajectory. We went this way. Yeah. So here's the clip that they're talking about. This is, there's just a couple of seconds left in the All-Star game. West is up two points, 151 to 149. A lot of defense going on.

And then Kobe is like up in LeBron. Yeah. Williams gets it back. Down to three seconds. And Griffin picks it off. And what happened there was LeB, Co, because this is when everyone, this is, is the LeBron that everybody forgets. This is why LeBron isn't in Michael Jordan's level for me, okay?

It was these years when people were questioning whether LeBron had the killer mentality. And there were times in which he didn't show up. You know, there were finals in which you go, where is LeBron James with the Miami Heat? He quit on a couple teams. He quit on the last Cavs team. There was his first time with the Lakers when they, they were obviously sucked.

He was like, oh, I'm injured, you know. So there's a lot with LeBron. But what, see, I see it different,

a little different than Kevin Garnett. Kobe would like wanted, like, wanted LeBron to take over. He was like, dude, you got to shoot like that. That whole interaction after that,

he's like, dude, you got to shoot the shot. You got to shoot the shot. Because people were talking about he wasn't taking over finals. He wasn't being the guy. He wasn't being.

and the Michael Jordan of that shit. And Kobe's like, you've got to shoot that shot, man. You got to shoot that shot. And when he passed it off, I agree, dude. You know, it's not just LeBron either. That whole banana crew of him, Camillo, Anthony, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Paul. Chris Paul did huge. It's so funny that Chris Paul is just a Karen of the NBA.

And by the way, LeBron James is getting there too. Oh, dude, yeah, he was terrible. Like he's getting pounded for how bad he's playing with the Lakers. Yeah. I mean, he's not running back on D because he's old, dude. He's like,

he's terrible. Yeah, because he's old, he can turn it on every now and then he's like, try, you know, he gets personal about it, like takes it personally like Jordan always did.

And then you can see they're still in there if he would just. Yeah, I mean, like dude, he's 41. When he wants to turn it on, he can. The problem is when you're taking up so much of that fucking salary cap,

you can't just pick and choose when you turn it on. Anyway, like instead of having one. One LeBron, they could have two really good players playing with them. Totally. Yeah, no, I mean, he's worth more in Jersey sales now than anything. So Rogan here had Rand Paul on, and then this is, I thought this was fascinating. This mate, we're going to really push YouTube here, but let's see what happened.

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That's some injured. dimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. Dude, you just blew my mind. Tim Foil hack. Tim Foil hack.

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