Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #964: The Rooftop Koreans With Tony Moon

Episode Date: February 11, 2026

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Quick announcement again, just want to remind you, we've announced the big, big, big show. This thousands episode will be happening June 18th at the Mothership in Austin. Tickets aren't up yet, but be sure to grab them because it will sell out. We'd love to see everybody. We'll have a party after. And enough of that, very, very excited to have our next guest on. they are part of our cultural, you know, just, I mean, just a giant part of our cultural history.

I think everyone knows them and everyone loves them. It's amazing to have them on. He's a security consultant, a mortgage broker. Andy, his new book is coming out called Rooftop Korean. Very honored to have them on. Please welcome to the show. Tony Moon. How are you, Tony? Doing great. Thanks for having me, Yazza, Sam. Thanks, Johnny. Thanks, thanks, XG. honored and privileged brother your royalty on this show man you i got the most boring background like john is in space you got that cool bookcase he's got all that like picture frames and cool painting i got like a boring ass bookcase and a little eps and fcrumbs and fritter yeah but we're not a rooftop korean dude i mean like i would give all that up to be a rooftop korean dude that's the

greatest story of all time i didn't know what that meant prior to like 20 2020 like i didn't even know Yeah, dude, I didn't know that term existed. I had no idea that was even a thing. That's incredible, because I've heard about them since it happened. I mean, everybody was talking about how badass that was forever. I think it's because when you're in the tapestry versus being outside, you're just, you know what I mean? Yeah, I get it. Up until 2020, I had no idea that was even a term or even a meme or whatever.

It's just when I created the Twitter handle, the X handle back then, is when I, you know, it was like looking up stuff and I was like, hey, like, they're actually talking about this. And then I'm like, hey, that's pretty cool. Just take that Twitter handle. That's pretty badass. So let's, before we start, just tell us, obviously they know who you are. But tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you and when your book drops. Cool.

So I'm still in L.A. next year is going to be my 50 years of residency in L.A. So I would have been living in L.A. for 50 years. Let's see, what else can I tell you? My book is coming out. Well, it's scheduled. We have a hard street date of April the 29th, which is the 34th anniversary of the 92 riots.

But it may go out until August. I'm not sure. Because there's certain, like, dude, the whole book process is a different thing for me because I've never written a book before, and I wrote this, and it's a whole process of getting out and making it commercialized, so it's fascinating. But, yeah, we're trying to, you know, oh, and that one is the,

someone with the bells and whistles. I'm going to shoot out a page and then sign it. That's awesome, dude. Yeah, I know, I know. So the cool thing is the guys that are putting the book together, they've never done this before. So now the publisher and the book, you know, manufacturer, who are getting together and talking about how they're going to put it together.

And then the exciting thing is, I can announce it on this show too, is I'm going to be shooting with the guys from Unub, like Donut, Brandon. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. All the best. Those guys can let me shoot it. All my heroes. And then we'll take pictures and stuff.

But you're in L.A. So, I mean, we can kind of do the same thing. Yeah, we'll do anything with you, dude. You can join the crew. I'll kick out XG if you want to. Come on a part of the show, dude. No, actually, he's got to stay. He's got to always.

Besides being a cultural hero, you have some of the best hair I've ever seen in my life. I'm blown away by how amazing. It almost looks like it's a Hollywood prop. It's so nice, dude. That is gorgeous hair. You should be proud of yourself. So I remember where I was in 1992. I just joined a fraternity.

I was in Las Vegas. And things. And I remember. I remember the event. There's two events that, I mean, obviously 9-11, stuff like that. But I remember the Rodney King situation. And I also remember the O.J. Simpson verdict and how there was just a heaviness in the air. Yeah.

Like you could cut it with a knife. And people were like, what's about to happen? And it got so out of control that, you know, even the, you know, the Nevada called in the National Guard. and we had them because a buddy in my fraternity was one of them he got called in and he they had to do patrol man it was a crazy crazy time um when the trial was going on when all that was happening do you remember following it and your thoughts on it at all yeah kind of because you know when the video came out i mean that blew up that's the first time like it was something like i was ever caught on video you know Yeah, it kind of was the first viral moment. It went viral. Right.

So it was the first time something like came out and that blew up. And then we, you know, everyone knew about it. But then in terms of the trial, what was happening, kind of snippets of it because that was 19. So I wasn't really plugged in. And we didn't have the internet. I mean, everything was still news based or like, you know, paper. You know, so it's not like I'm going to pick up the LA Times and read. I'm 19.

I got other things that I'm doing with my life. Right. So when the verdict came out, I distinctively remember it was, it came out in the middle of the week. It was on a Wednesday. I mean, that's how, I mean, there's a few things I can close my eyes and look back and say, like I can remember it, like the birth of my kids, like it was like a week ago, you know, not that long ago. And this is similar to that where I can look back and see it like it was like a week ago

or even like maybe a few weeks ago because when the verdict came down on Wednesday, I mean, it blew everybody away, right? But it made sense because, you know, of what they saw. But they also had a problem with the day. venue they moved it up to uh with that see me valley for the court for the court that was that was that was another huge contentious point that they had you know moving the venue and then you know the demographics of that area and then saying like it didn't you know represent l a you know in general so there was that because they tend to be wider in see me valley and see me see me is uh you know

copland is the cop and you know oh i didn't know that it's it There's a lot of cops and firefighters that live up there, you know. So it got moved up there. So that was one big point. So when the Verity came out on Wednesday, I mean, it blew everybody away in the sense. But then what started happening on Florence and Normandy, you know, with, you know, people coming out. That was organic. People just came out and were pissed, right?

And that's where they all congregated. And that's where it kind of, you know, it kind of grew from there. And then from there, you had these sporadic riots throughout L.A., you know, L. south of LA, like south of downtown LA, towards South Central, Compton, Watts, and those areas. And then that was like Wednesday, Wednesday afternoon. So everyone thought it was going to be over by Wednesday evening and Thursday would just be another day for the week. But that's when everything kind of blew up on Thursday.

And it carried over into Thursday, like grew up a whole day. And then it was in the south, like towards like Compton, Watts, South Central. And then that's where, you know, you saw a lot of the smoke and fires. That's where a lot of the videos and pictures that you see right now were generated from that area. So, and if you don't want to answer this question, you don't have to. But, you know, there's a very well-documented relationship between whites and black people. But I've always heard that there's also some kind of contention between the Korean community and the black community. Yeah.

Not that anything implicates racism or. or anything like that. But, you know, there was a, I don't know if she was Korean, but there was a famous story about a young girl going in, stealing, and then there was a shooting and stuff like that. What was the relationship at that time of your community with the diversity of Los Angeles? Yeah, let's talk about that,

because I think that's something we need to address. I mean, if we're going to address racism or, you know, diversity, we need to address it, right? because we don't all look alike. Just to be honest, you know, the four pounds, four of us here, we all look different.

Yeah, for sure. Johnny looks the weirdest. You know, Johnny's got the coolest background. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why he's in space. Everyone won't let him down here. Yeah, so, yeah,

there was a lot of contention at that time because from what I understood it, prior to the 92 riots, you had the Watts riots, right? So when the Watts rights occurred, a lot of the business owners that owned the businesses during Watts and those areas

were Jews, right? So they went through the Watts rides and they were like, you know what? This is not for us. So they sold those businesses to the next wave of immigrants that came in. Some of them were Japanese. You know, some of them were Korean. Because when my father purchased his first store, it was in Boyle Heights, which is like the armpit of

East L.A. and he bought it from a Japanese guy, you know, because he purchased it from a Jewish guy before. So you had like this influx of immigrants coming in. And the new wave of immigrants that came in were Koreans into the black community, right? And you got two totally different cultures working. And the reason why I know this is because growing up, I was into hip hop. You know, I grew up with hip hop.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I remember run, I grew up with run DMC, you know, all those guys, right? So I, and I, you know, I listened to all of that and I was part of like both cultures. You know, I look Korean, if I listen to hip hop and I, you know, my lingo was, you know, from now, from that we're talking like the 80s 80s yeah right the 90s maybe exactly so so you have so i kind understood both but then it's when you had the interaction between the business owners and customers is where you have the friction right not only that but in a lot of these areas they're the culture is you know chris rock put it best right you know i'm going to go with that

because right i'm just going to leave it at that and people can go youtube it and figure out what i'm talking about. But he put it best, right? Because that's what's down there. And what happened in that scenario you're talking about with the shopkeeper and the girl, it was Latasha Harlins. And then the shop owner keeper was an elder woman. Again, Sunday Zhang or something like that, that was her name. But what happened was the video show that she was actually trying to steal, take merchandise from, and then she was confronted, turned around, beat the fuck out of the woman. right uh turned around and laughed it off and then in that state she you know she had a revolver wasn't sure if she wasn't come back and then basically uh according to what i've read with the court

uh the revolver was was stolen they recovered it someone messed with the trigger or something like that and then she i guess it had a hair trigger and she pulled the trigger and basically shot you know uh withosha harlans and then on paper it looks bad because you know older shopkeeper 14 year old girl. You look at the video, fucking little Tasha Harlan's a fucking big ass 14 year old girl. She is fucking huge. Yeah. And she's beating the fuck out of this old, like, age of lady.

Yeah. On paper it looks bad. But on video, it makes sense. And that's why she got the house arrest, you know, the judge. I don't know what her name was. She understood, you know, the scenario because in the testimony in Korea, she said she lost her mind. She didn't, she had no idea what was happening. She's never beaten, been beaten like that before.

And in that sense, she was defending herself, and that's what happened. So you had that happen in 91. And then in 92, you had the Rodney Kingbird to come out, right? So you add insult to injury on top of all that. And then all of a sudden, you got all these, you got kind of frustration. And who's going to be the target of all that? All the shopkeepers, owners, Korean businesses that are in South L.A., South Central, Watts.

Because in my book, I talk about how they're basically islands in that neighborhood and community. There's no way to defend it because they're not put together so closely. So they're kind of further structured apart. So they end up becoming what you saw in the videos of fires, you know, like the looting and the burning and all that. Those were all the fires that started. That was on Thursday. And then from there, that's when the call went out from Ryu, Korea, asking for help, like asking for people to come out to volunteer and help. I want to get into that, but I have to ask a question.

You know, I'm a stand-up comic. I know a lot of Korean comedians. They're wonderfully funny. There is a running theme, and this is their jokes, not mine. You've heard it. Like, you know, the most racist people in the world are my parents and stuff like that. And I'm not saying they're racist at all, but that's the joke. But were you a first generation Korean or what generation were you compared to your parents

and maybe your grandparents? Yeah, I'm first gen. I was actually born in Germany and that I immigrated here. It's in my book. My parents were part of a way of young immigrants that went to Germany under a program between South Korean government and West Germany at that time where they had a labor for financial aid package. So the women went as nurses and the men ended up working with coal mines.

That's where my parents met. The women worked the coal mines? No, no, sorry. Did I just say that? I meant the men with the coal mine, the women became nurses. Okay, okay. I was like, damn, creams go back then. So I bring that up because you're kind of looking at two different ways of looking at the world.

You come to, what age were you when you came from Germany? I came here. I was five. Five. So you're growing up in American culture. Again, you know, I'm, I think I'm a little older than you. But, you know, we have this kind of new culture. culture coming out, hip-hop.

You know, we're leaving the 60s and 70s. We're getting into hip-hop. I always say the end of the 80s and 90s. We're one of the best musical times in the country in our culture. But it's definitely a little bit more outlaw, a little more, you know, don't file tradition and stuff like that. So we have you as a young man versus maybe your parents who come from a more traditional upbringing. Do you think that had something to do with maybe even the shooting before? And how did you handle that as you were growing up to kind of be one foot in both cultures?

That's interesting because like hip hop, I consider hip hop L.A. You know, because a lot of it was like we had West Coast hip-P, you know, we had the whole West Coast East Coast, you know, rival everything. But we had our own guys here that start. of the whole musical flavor and i kind of was part of that in terms of listening it listening to it when it came up so yeah i mean it was interesting because i understood the culture of how that worked and then at the same time traditionally you know my parents were you know were brought up a certain way so i'll give you a good example of how the friction

happens on the on the store level right so it's as easy as a transaction where you're exchanging money right so traditionally in korea it's respectful to hand someone money Right. So I'm going to give you, hey, you ring me up for $1.95. I'm going to give you $2.00. I'm going to give you money, you know, hand it to you or put it in your hand or at least place it on the counter in a way. That's not where in here, it's, it's okay if I just kind of toss a couple of bucks on a, on a, you know, counter. And that's I got you. Right. Right. Korea, that's not. It's a more traditional exchange. Right. And so it's little insulting, right? So you kind of take that. bit of friction and you add other layers to it in terms of perhaps tone mannerisms way of speaking i mean we're very loose here right they're a little bit more traditional they're a little like

when we speak Korean uh between ourselves like our peers versus adults hierarchy there's intonations that we have that's different right so we when we're speaking to someone who's uh like older than us then we kind of end our sentences with a certain I guess I don't want to say a phrase but there's a certain way we end a sentence like customs there's different customs for all you talk but just the way of speaking like we speak differently to our elders and we would like here we would say sir

yes sir like you know oh yeah right more slang with your friends almost exactly exactly so Tony you have that as a friction as well Sorry to interrupt. I was going to ask you, would you say it was the same friction with Latinos, with Mexicans, or do you think that was a little bit more different? Because they're in South Central.

They're all over the place. And I mean, they interact with the blacks as well. Do you think it was different or kind of? It was different because when we had the store in Boyle Heights, it was mainly Hispanic, Latino, right? So we didn't have that type of interaction that a lot of, what the Koreans had in black communities, right? Because, you know, what we, what I observe also with Latino families, that there's, they also respect their elders.

There's a hierarchy in terms of how they, yes. There's a certain depth, a certain way of showing respect when they speak, right? Even body language, right? But in the black community, you don't really have that. It's like the guy is old, fuck that. He's old, whatever, you know, right? Old head. Yeah, old head.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But within like even like, you know, the Latino community is like, hey, man, he's, he's old, he's an elder. Don't talk to him like that. You know, be respectful. I mean, you can, you hear, I've heard that, you know, so there's a difference in culture in that sense too. So me understanding that, yeah, it was kind of straddling boat. The biggest problem I had was in 91 when Ice Cube came out with the song called Black Korea.

That was a song. That was where I had a huge problem. because up until that point I you know there was a difference between the cultures but I never saw it as a dividing line between us you know I was like fuck we're Americans

we got our own problems and shit whatever but we'll work it out but I never saw it as like hey you're Korean I'm black fuck you guys you know oh wow wow I never even thought about that that's super crazy and you know we were talking about hip hop you know we've this

you know we've done 900 some shows. And there's a theme of what culturally was done to the blacks and black people, black community. And there was definitely this push to push, you know, you and I both enjoyed NWA when it came out and all the, all the gang bang rhymes. And that kind of pushed them even farther into kind of being, you know, again, outlosh and how they interact. the death of traditions, the death of, you know, interacting with each other in a civil way, pushing more, being the tough guy with a gun. And I'm sure that, I don't know if you saw it, but was there kind of a change in that?

Or did you always see it as, you know, kind of how the Koreans had a traditional culture, and then the black community had a little different way of operating? Well, it showed up in the movies first. Do you remember that that was that movie called The song was Fight the Power, but there was a movie that was centered around that song. Man.

What were some of the old movies, Johnny? Do the right, there we go. Do the right thing? Yeah. Remember the ride? Do you remember the ending scene with the little Asian guy swing his briefs? You know, you're black, I'm black.

black, we're all back, you know. That was funny. I mean, I don't know. So, Dan, you remember Boys in the Hood or Menace Society? Yeah, remember how to create a job. Yeah. Would you say about my mama? Fuck you, man.

Right? Right? Yeah, dude. So that, there's a Hollywood portrayed the difference in the, I agree. With the movie. That's what happened, you know? And that's how it all kind of progressed to what happened for the riots. So me being a kid,

And growing up in that culture and also being raised traditionally in that sense, I mean, I saw both sides, you know. And I also saw the side where the Koreans that were doing successful, you know, doing well in black communities being successful. I mean, they gave up a lot of stuff too. You have three generations working in the store, right? And the only times you had off was Christmas and New Year's Day. but the rest of time the rest of the time the rest of the 365 days you are like from 8 to fucking 10 you're there right so you know everyone's working a bone off and then basically they show up and they're showing up in Cadillacs Mercedes right fucking parking it by the store like what are you doing man yeah yeah like bringing these

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you know in conspiracies they call them useful idiots, these people that ride and protest being kind of warmed up by the invisible hand of the elites. What I always found very interesting is why the black community always burns down their own neighborhood. It seems counterproductive to me. Even, you know, if you're very upset with the LAPD, why aren't you at the LAPD? Why are you burning down your friends and your neighbors? businesses to make a point against racial injustice. And it just seems, again, like there's this invisible hand winding people up and then pointing them in a direction of destruction.

I never, we even see it in Minneapolis right now. We'll get into that a little more. But, you know, it just seems to me like it seems counterproductive to me if you're upset about how you're being treated to burn down your own neighborhood. And, you know, it even goes into winning a championship in sports. Like if LA, if the LA Rams had gone to the Super Bowl and won the Super Bowl, then they're burning down Los Angeles, which I used to have a joke. You should be able to go to the, to the team that lost city and burned down their city.

And that's kind of the game you play. But it doesn't, it seems very counterproductive to me. Well, it's just, you have to think about it this way. It's because they don't see it as their neighborhood, you know. And the guys that go right after their team wins in downtown LA, those guys, don't live in downtown LA or downtown, wherever downtown, any town in America. They probably live in the suburbs. They're in the, they're in downtown, whatever city, you know, celebrating and they're going to fuck up and trash downtown because they don't live there. They're going to go home,

get in their car and go home wherever. And the same thing with the people that are burning down these communities that, like the stores back in 92, they didn't see these stores as part of their community. And that's why they got burned down, you know? And there's a thing that happens when you have this like lawlessness and chaos that develops, people like literally lose our minds, right? So they'll go, they'll go and burn black owned businesses too because they're just like, you know, it's just the mom mentality that rules. Right. So there is incidences back in 92 where you'd had black and Hispanic, you know, people from the neighborhood that came out and defended these stores that basically held, you know, the looters back or held, you know,

whoever back from burning these stores and they were asked like why are you doing this you know like and there was like because my mom shops here my aunt shops here my grandmother comes here right they they buy stuff here and if they burn this place down they got to take the bus and you know it's going to be inconvenient for them right so yeah we saw that with kyle riddenhouse and i know that's a lightning rod for people but his father lived there his mother brought him there he's defending two indians car lots and you had hollywood like sticking up for one of the guys who was a convicted pedophile. And it just like gets into team sports again,

where it's like good guys, bad guys. And if your side's the bad guy, you refuse to see what's going on there. So again, it seems very counterproductive to me when you just, you're burning, even if it's not your neighborhood, it's still your city. And it just seems like you're adding trauma,

generational trauma. That's a big thing. Young people see how you're acting. we emulate our parents, we emulate the adults around us, and then we start thinking that's a viable option to do if we're upset. And it just seems crazy to me. And again, not ever going to the sources of power where the problem persists. Right.

Well, I mean, the 92 riots were, I think, most organic, you know, that I saw. And then 2020 BLM, that was funded, totally. I mean, you can see it all. You know, and I remember seeing video, I think, from D.C. where you had protesters there and you had like this white protester, you know, in a, like, what's that? Snowboarding helmet and goggles. And he's handing out hundreds to these black, you know, guys that are running by. So, like, hit this and hit that and they're just passing out money.

So, yeah, I mean, in terms of, like, their own neighbors, yeah, I don't know why we can do that. But it's very weird to me too because, you know, there's a lot of people now creating content where they find professional, professional, uh, protesters and they'll find them at each one. You know, there's a climate change. They're at the climate change protests. They're at the trans kids protests. They're at the, you know, racism is bad protests. They died in one protest. They're alive in the next one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like really crazy to me. But the numbers that these people are throwing out, you're talking about like $4,500 a month. To protest. I mean, like, maybe we should get into that. That's good money, dude. Tough economy. Anything right? Economy, dude. What do you do for a living? Professional protester? I wonder if chicks dig that. Hey, man, I'm making money, dude. You have to have some poster skills. You've got to make some posters real fast.

Yeah, you got to be able to. I saw you at the BLM protest, man. You were really good. I saw you get hit in the face by a tear gas canister. That was tremendous. How do you think you get a raise? Yeah. Oh, you got a lead a protest. That's the whole thing. You got to try to start a fake, you know, an unorganic, organic, protest. And, yeah, it just seems counterproductive to me.

It's a very weird thing. And, you know, it's like, L.A. is a very interesting town. You know, if you go to New York City, everybody lives on top of each other. I'm sure there's neighborhoods that are a concentrate of one ethnic group or another. But L.A. is very, very. very segregated. You know, like there's Korea town, which you can't find parking anywhere. It's unbelievable to me.

My baby's mama lived there forever. Like, I couldn't find any parking everywhere. Then you have like Watts, Compton, that's black. Even though Englewood was traditionally black, and now they're saying the demographics are going down because all those businesses are moving out there. You have, Glendale's Armenian, Beverly Hills is Jewish, you know. So, like, each area has its own ethnic group, which is very weird for a city that prides itself on being open-minded. Yeah.

It's very interesting. It is interesting. Yeah, it's like you have these pockets in Illinois County, of ethnic pockets. Yeah. Yeah, it's very, it's crazy to me because everybody's like open-minded here, but they live next to their own tribe. You know, East L.A.'s Latino. What do you think that is? What is it just, is it a heritage that people share?

and they enjoy sharing it or do you think there's something deeper than that something where people kind of like to be around people with similar I think it's a combination of a lot of things I think a lot of groups come here as immigrants and they're not making a lot of money so they they tend to live near each other so they could help each other and then it just becomes Chinatown right because that's where all the Chinese move together and same thing with Armenians coming from Armenia and then the white people find out that's where all the good food is and they start moving in yeah then And the white people are like, I don't want homeless people. Let me move to Glendale.

There's no homeless people. Where are they? Right? So that ends up happening for sure. But I've always found that very weird that the city that shoves diversity down everybody's throat is the most segregated city I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. But the thing is, I didn't grow up like that.

I grew up in Hollywood. So everyone I grew up with in Hollywood was just like different ethnicities. So it was prior to all the moving around. you know so this was back in like the 70s 80s you know into the early 90s at that time so you know like a good example would be like Hancock Park you know you got like blocks that are like nice and then you got blocks are sketchy you know they're like right next to each other too right that's like Pasadena there's like you could have a mansion mansion next to a crack house it's like the weirdest thing I've ever seen yeah it's very weird kind of like what I'm accustomed to

Because I mean, some of my friends I grew up, like I had an Egyptian friend. A lot of my friends were Thai and I had like, I grew up with a lot of Armenians in Hollywood, you know, Russian Armenians. Yeah. Salvadorans, a lot of Salvadorans, Mexicans, everything. You know, so, you know, in my book I talked about how when I grew up, L.A. was very layered, you know. And we weren't like growing up in L.A. It was more about the neighborhood that you were from, you know. So it wasn't like, hey, he's, he's Korean.

or he's black or he's this or that, but he's from that neighborhood or that's his crew. And his crew could be like just a whole bunch of guys that are just, you know, you had black, Asian, Samoan, you know, Mexican, whatever. Just that's his crew, right. So I talk about in my book how the racial divide that was talked about during the L.A. riots that wasn't really part of what I grew up with, you know. What I grew up was very different. But the 92 riots kind of blew that up into like, okay, there is a racial divide.

And I address that and I talk about that. And along with the BLM riots and then my involvement with, you know, J6, COVID and L.A. and all that other stuff. We'll get into that, of course. So let's get into the event. Again, we talked about a little earlier, Rodney King gets beat by, with a four by four. And, you know, we were very naive back then. We trusted our news anchors.

We trusted our media that, they would tell us the truth that that that is their job they're not manufacturing consent they're not manipulating opinions they're not manipulating energy their sole purpose and not because i grew up around that at that time was again i was in i think it was a freshman in college at that point uh that you know these people are honorable people and their job is to tell us the news and and it reminds me as kind of things we're starting to see play out right now that in in whether it's the the george floyd situation this rene gerd situation where it's never clear cut like who's in the right who is in the wrong and those are those are the perfect perfect opportunities and again you said

this is probably the organic ride that you've seen and i would agree with that but but again the the presentation of the situation. You have Rodney King. I don't know if he's in a car, or a motorcycle gets pulled over. Is it listening? Won't go down. And they start beating the crap out of him.

And he starts taking it because he's high on PCP, right? So it's like that's a story that comes out. Like dude's a giant. I mean, you see the video? And you see him in press conferences? He's, dude, he's big. He's a big guy. he's a big guy he's high on drugs and and and just because he's high on drugs and I said the same thing about

George Floyd doesn't mean even if you're a guy with a criminal record doesn't mean that you're that you that you're a bad guy and you you should get beaten up and even in George Floyd's case ODs and dies and they let him die you know like that that's not what I'm saying but the story isn't clear cut and it's it's it's not black and white it's it's gray and that's gray is where they can manipulate the situation so the story happens uh they have the court case and i i don't know if i because i know with the oj trial they they filmed it was must see tv which is somewhat the basically the the kickoff of of uh reality television you know they had the real world stuff like that but they realize that people wanted to watch this they

the emotion of it really captured people. So this trial goes on. They're found not guilty. Shockwaves through the, from both sides too, not just white, not just black people, but also white people,

I'm sure the Korean, the Asians, the Latinos, kind of shocked that this verdict happened. And chaos breaks out. Now, do you remember where you were? Do you talk about this in your book?

When you found out things were starting to pop off? Right, right. I talk about that in my book. I basically walk everybody through the events of that week, but then I build up to it because people are going to move my background. Like I said, I lived in LA for almost 50 years. Next year will be 50 years. It's me 49 years. So I have like deep roots in the city with people, with, you know, people that know me for a long time. I talk about that. I talk about my background. What was growing up in the 80s and 90s. Why? I suppose I kind of, you know, I enjoyed my obscurity up until now, you know. And so I reveal a lot about that on my book. And when I wrote my book, I actually had to have a few people okay it before I was able to release it because I talk about things about the past that happened, you know, with myself and a few friends. And then my kids had to be okay with it as well because there's information in there that's going to kind of change the perspective of how people are going to look at me as well.

on top of... Was it a hard sell to your kids that everyone's going to know their dad's a badass? No, it will. I mean, that's very flattering, but there's other things in the book that's not as flattering. So it's, yeah.

So it may not be as flattering is what I'm saying. You know, so I'm just leaving that as open-ended. But yeah, anyway, I talk about how, you know, the events and then what led up to the events, my background, and then regarding like you know exactly where I was when that happened which was I was working at a car dealership when it happened and I remember do you when this happened I was 19 okay yeah so I was 19 and then yeah I remember watching because they turned on the news and I was working as a sales guy and then I was

watching it and that's when it just kind of I go into the book about what happened after that and then the big thing is on Friday because the call like I said the call went out on Thursday and then we all answered it on Friday so everybody went out on Friday and it's interesting because in Korean you say the call call you're talking about a Koreans basically putting out distress call that hey we might need help here right so there's a radio station called Radio Korea and the the current owner is the son of the previous owner that sent out the call So I And I spoke with him

But yeah, they I mean, they're still around They sent out the call on Wednesday I mean on Thursday And then everybody answered it on Friday And everybody went on Friday But the interesting thing is Culturally speaking

Like in America We're you know Called what rooftop Korean Roof Troops right But in Korean But in Korean We're termed differently We're termed as

Rooftop Citizens Army Which basically is Englisha you know so we know they don't you know they don't call us roof Koreans in Korea they'll call us you know the rooftop citizens army you know that's the reference that we're you know that's how they kind of label us right so we're a citizens army which is basically what it's a militia which is what the second amendment's about do Koreans uh related to that do do Koreans uh American Koreans generally uh have like a high firearms ownership rate would you say it's by

generation. I would say like the older guys like myself, I mean, I'd say like 40 isn't older, probably. It's the younger generations that are a little bit more lived. So they may not, but I know the older guys like myself, you know, my friends, you know, my generation, we all have firearms, you know. But the young. How much does that have to do with South Korea having compulsory military service for men? Well, so for us, I mean, we grew up here. So, But some people grew up in Korea, though, right? They came here and they were beside you, I assume, right? Yeah, well, if they come from Korea and they come here and they're going to live here permanently,

oh, dude, they're going to go like, they buy guns. They go to change, they go all out, man. They have a good time. I mean, they have a better time than I do. Honestly, they really get into it because it's not legal in Korea. So they start collections and they'll buy tons of stuff. And yeah, I mean. That's cool.

when that call was made uh did you guys hit up your friends or do you just yeah what was that call like what was the call i had the radio broadcast what was the call and by the way just a change of the times the fact that you're 19 and a car deal sales like you would never find a 19 year old today working in a car dealership you know like i'm from your generation we're the same generation my dad told me when my birthday my He goes, you know, you're getting for your birthday, 16 years old. I go, well, he goes a job. And I've been working ever since.

So the fact that you were 19 in a car dealership is just a sign of how things have changed. But when does that call come out? And what was the call? I know, I'm not specifically, but generally. Right, right. So, okay. So I speak Korean, but not to the point where I understand, like, what's coming out of the news, right? I mean, like I told you, it's a totally two different level of speaking Korean between your peers and the formality of it.

So when they sent out the call, it came out through the Korean broadcasting station, like the radio station that they had, Radio Korea. But the thing is, I never got it. I never got the call. Like, oh, like, it's not like I got the call. Like, all right, I'm going out because I got the call. The call I got was for my friend. He called me that evening. And he was like, hey, like, are you watching what's going on?

Like, yeah, like, how can you not? And he was like, yeah, you know, his brother. owned a stereo shop on Vermont and he was like yeah we should go down there because you know you know it might get dicey so I was like yeah cool let's go so um he makes the call I pick it up and he comes gets me in the morning and then we roll out to Koreatown and we were now did you have a gun with you or did they have guns for you there no I have I haven't I first gun I got was when I was 18 I bought my first shotgun so that's the first paycheck when I got my first paycheck man I got my Her respect.

So yeah, so I took that. He had his brother, brother's bread as nine. It was, you know, 92 F. He had that. So we went down. We were on the east side of Rio town.

Was this before I became a felony to carry in L.A.? Dude, We weren't thinking about that. Dude, it was chaos. I was just asking. I don't know. Imagine getting a ticket for having arms. We weren't thinking about that.

I mean, honestly, yeah, there was a year. These kids, dude, these kids don't get it. Honestly, no one was going to stop us in you. There's no cops. You're right. You're right. Yeah, I forgot. Right.

Who's going to give me a ticket? Who can't tell me? That's a felony. You got to give up your shock. I'm like, no, man. There were no jury would convict you. A jury, no jury would convict you of that. Okay, so let me just paint another picture.

So LAPD in the 90s is different than LAPD in now, right? So LAPD in the 90s were different breed of cops. You can't fuck with these guys, right? these guys were like on every third block LEPD was out because back then they had a thing called crash which was against gangs right so I talk about that in my book I'm very intimately familiar with them and then I talk about how basically the Rampart scandal that happened in late 90s but this is all you know the training day movie it was based off of that that was that was all so you got to think about how a lot of guys felt knowing going out to like the streets seeing no cops at all I mean that's kind of where the mayhem starts in Korea Town. I talk about how all the shooting start in Korea Town because there's a lack of police presence.

So everybody feels emboldened to do whatever they want to do. Yeah, so you get down there. How many you guys ended up showing up? Well, it's not like we all had a meeting and then we all were dispersed, but it's like you're talking about pockets. And it's not like we all knew each other, right? It's not like there's a, you know, national Korean meeting. We all meet every quarter and we talk about, you know, show.

You know what I mean? Everybody has their own little clicks, right? Like I talk about my dad. He had his own group of friends that he went out to. I mean, I have no idea who his friends are. It's not like we linked up and we never. Right, right, right. So everybody was just in their own little shop, plaza, block, whatever, you know, just kind of manning.

But I would say less than 100. I mean, because I wrote around that week, I mean, that day and, you know, that week. And I was looking around the businesses, and I'd say it's probably less than a hundred. You had pockets of, you know, four or five guys here, several guys there. But nothing where you can say, oh, yeah, this is all coordinated. These guys are all linked up. And, you know, they know. That's just no hierarchy, right?

Where, what sent you where you went? Like, who said, did you decide where to go? Who sent? It was his friend's brothers. It's like if I thought, like, hey, Johnny, you know, my brother's going to. You said you were on like a patrol, right? Like moving around. Right, right.

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because obviously they were just one of- Off-brand? Yeah. Was there an off-brand guy where he's like, yo, he's the homie? Yeah, I would say, well, the employees. You know, the stereo shot that my friends' older brother was a manager and had black and Hispanic employees. Those came, those guys that came strapped to work, you know, and they were moving equipment away from the windows and boarding shit up. And yeah, those guys were ready to get down too because they work there.

I mean, that's how they pay their jobs, dude. They need to keep their jobs. Exactly. I mean, like. It burns on, there's no jobs. Everybody wanted, didn't know how long this was going to go. We had, I had no idea how long this was going to go. this was going to go.

But it was just like, shit, until this thing blows over, we just got to make sure this place doesn't get burned down, looted. You still got merchandise to sell, you know,

the next day when all this thing is done. So that's kind of the mindset those guys have. But yeah, they weren't going to go outside of their, you know, the retail store that they had. And I'm going to go protect that shop,

you know, like four, you know, buildings down. You know, it was nothing like that. So, so you get there,

uh, is your car, most of the people that got there? Or did other cars show up? and you were like, okay, they're here too. No, it was just me and my friend. We got there and we checked in with his brother and we're like, hey, we're here. Like, okay, we've got this place secure.

I got somebody's over on, I'm sure you're from L.A., but on Olympic in New Hampshire, which is by Vermont. It's a block west of Vermont, New Hampshire. If you go by drive there, Sam, you'll see there's a green rot-iron fence. That got put up after the riots. But prior to the riots, I wasn't there. and they were pulling all their cars into the perimeter of the parking lot trying to create a barrier so that basically when they were getting shot at

it would hit the cars instead of hitting the sides of the building. So when we got there, then we got the intel like they're getting shot at by these guys. So then we found out what kind of car they're in, right? They're in this car, right? And there's four of them, right? And it's not just a one-off. They're doing multiple passes at them, you know? And when we got the description of the car and the guys,

We already knew who these guys were. It was MS. That was down there. Whoa, MS. Damn, dude. That long ago. Wow. Well, yeah, MS started in the mid-80s when a lot of they, they, well, you know what?

You guys are going to like my book. I talk about MS, too. So you'll like my book. So anyway, yeah, they started in the mid-80s. They were in the Pico Union area of downtown LA, right, near MacArthur Park. From there, they spread up to Hollywood. They went up to San Fernando Valley, too, because a lot of the city. A lot of them got bust up to Grant High School.

I don't know if you know where Grant High is, but they got bust up to Grand High, and they started their own little click up there, too. But those guys were shooting at the older guys on the Plaza, and we knew that because of the car that they were in. They were in a white, Ford or Toyota Corolla. And we knew it was MS because that's the car of those guys drove. Everybody else was like 18th Street, mainly 18th Street, that's down there. Those guys drove like Buick's, Caddy, Regals, those types of cars, right?

MS was the only ones that drove Toyota Corolla. So we knew it was those guys. So we actually, we rode around looking for those guys. And when we found them, you know, I think we found them. But we weren't 100% sure. So we had this confrontation. We had this little moment. But then after we went back and the shooting stopped.

Whoa, you had a moment with MS-13? What was that like? Well, I think it was, well, it was, so we know the car that they were in. So by the time we found them, they were actually parked in front of like a duplex. And these guys are washing their car. I don't know why they're on. In the middle of a riot, you're watching your car. Yeah, seriously, right?

And, and I mean, two of them are dressed apart. One guy doesn't look the part. We're not, we're not 100% sure it's these guys at all, right? Or is these guys? We know it's a car. We're not sure it's 100% sure these guys. And they're fucking even the weirdest thing. They're walking their car, you know, in the middle of all this, like, shit that's happening.

So we're driving by, and I eyeball these guys and me driving by. And they see us coming because, you know, there's really no car. there's no traffic out there. There's no cars. It's just, you know, us, really nobody else. So we pull up and we eyeballed. We eyeball them, they eyeball all us. And we're not 100% sure, so I'm not going to blast guys

and I'm not under a percent sure. But we do need to send the message because I'm pretty sure these guys are a mess. So all I did was I basically, you know, lifted up my shotgun so they can get a good look at it. My friend takes out his nine. He holds it out to them so he can see the nine. And then we just kind of roll by.

And we eyeballed them. And we know, we're letting them know that we know that who's out here and that we're out here too now. Wow, I never knew that. So after that we went back and then like the older guys like, yeah, there's no more shooting. So from there we just, you know, we went to go check in on some other friend that we had. And then we went to get food and, you know, and that was like pretty much the whole day, you know. Man, God bless the car wash that stays open during a riot, dude. They're going to have to clean these cars

They're not a car wash They were They were in front of an apartment duplex Or a complex Washed in their car on the fucking lawn You know You know they're fucking washing their car And now just kind of blew us away

Like what the fuck are these guys doing I mean It's like smoke gunshots And gunshots There's gunshots that are reverberating Oh really? Yeah I mean you're you're hearing gunshots From the east from the west

And then I talk about how like, you know, L.A. was very gang-heavy. So that still is, I think. And scores got settled that week that we're not even aware of, you know, because if you're going to ride on your enemies, it's going to be that week, right? Because you're not going to have, you're not going to leave any real evidence. There's not going to be a real investigation. And you can pretty much get away with murder.

If there was any investigation, then the cops show up a couple days later and be like, No, dude. I mean, I don't even know. The amount of paperwork you'd have to do. They're like just clean. It's, it was basically the purge for like two days. Like you can get away with whatever the fuck you want at that point. You get into gangs.

I don't want to get you in trouble with anything, but are there Korean gangs? There are. I talk about that in my book. One of the biggest Korean gangs in L.A. at that time was a gang called Korean Killers, KK. So they started in Korea Town. They had beef with the Chinatown gangs. Oh, snap. And then the guy who went to go for the stereo shop,

my friend's older brother, he was a KK member. He was actually one of the main guys. And what were they doing during this time when you were guarding these shops? Were they guarding shops? Or do you know what they were getting into? Well, see, when that Korean-gang KK, that's the old generation. These are like the older brothers that we've had.

older brothers uncles that were part of that the guys i like guys like us the next generation or second generation guys were different breeds so um it's not like we all knew each other but there was kind of i would say an unspoken truce between a lot of us like you know this is this takes precedence over anything else and i'm not saying that that was spoken but it was kind of understood because there was other guys that went down to south central right we were in koreatown But some guys went down to South Central, and I guess they went on the Thursday. No, on, you know, on the Thursday and then, you know, they were trying to do whatever to help. But, I mean, they couldn't salvage what was already looted.

I mean, what are you going to protect? A store that's already been looted? I mean, the door, you know what I mean? All the merchandise is already gone, you know, so. Yeah, so everybody, I guess those guys came back up to Koreatown. And that's when the next day on Friday is when all the shootings started in Koreatown. There was pretty much the video that you see with David Jew shooting, you know, that popular video that you see, that's on Western between 8th and 9th. You know where that is, right?

Yeah, yes. Ninth is now James Woods, but I can still call it 9th. It's 9th Street. So that plaza is still there. And where he's shooting right across street is that iconic picture of those guys on the roof with, they're looking out into the horizon and you got the rifles and you got that iconic roof line. That's across the street from that plaza. So my understanding is when they were getting shot at, it was an MS because on that side of town,

it's mainly run by 18th Street. So I'm suspecting it was probably 18th Street that was doing these shooting on those guys on that side. What about these right here? Yeah, that one. See that roofline? On the far left, yeah, that one. So that plaza, that's on Western, between 8th and 9th.

And that roof line is right across street from the plaza. And David Jew, the shooting, is in that. that plaza right and in that plaza there's actually gun store that they they were giving away guns that we're making sure that brought him back you know after it all settled you know that's crazy damn dude so when you get back do you go on the rooftop how how did you guys decide to get on the rooftop was there people below what what was it well it was the older i always say it's the the only guys that were on the rooftops, you know, those are, that's the iconic, those are our uncles and brothers. The guys you don't see are guys like us that were on the street, you know, that knew

where we were going. Like, we knew MS territory, you know, and I talk about that in my book, and it's part of my background, but we knew where MS territory was, we know exactly where to go, we knew what we're looking for. So you can say we were more hunting than on the rooftop, you know, So yeah, because like for us, it was like, these these fucking assholes are shooting at our, our uncles and our brothers. We know who these fucking guys are. So we're just going to fucking nip it in the butt. We're just going to go to their territory and fuck them up there. Yes, dude.

Respect on that. Respect on that. So how long did the, I don't remember how long the riots went. How long do you remember how long they went for? From Wednesday to the weekends, I think Friday, Saturday. And then Saturday is when the National Guard came. And they all calmed down. Yeah, we're going to calm by Saturday.

After that, when did the legend of the rooftop Koreans start to come? When did you realize that while we were a part of something really insane? In 2020. Really? I had no idea, dude. Like 30 plus years away before, I have no clue. I was living my life doing my thing. I just...

And how did you find out? Well, were you on Facebook or Instagram and you saw something about? You're like, holy shit. Now, did you call yourself through top Koreans? Or is that something you learned from this discovery? I think, I think it's just something I learned from discovery. I mean, it was already out there, you know? And I was like, I need a handle for X.

You know, I need a cool handle for X. And I just kind of like, okay, well, what can I look for? And then for some reason, the rides came up. I don't know how that happened. but then Roof Korean 7 on Twitter I didn't even pick that that was like assigned to me by X with Twitter I was like that's cool I'll take that I was like shit I'll take that

that's not like so everyone's like hey what happened to one through six you know why didn't you pick I'm like because X or Twitter gave me seven so I just like I'll just pick seven but yeah I had no idea for like until 2020 when I started the account because of the election the 2020 election you know I'm

numbers guy I can read numbers and fuck man that was like fraud up the ass you know I want to get into all that because I find that super interesting yeah um so so you did so from the 92 to 2020 you you just think you're just a

normal dude and little did you find out you're this kind of legend was there ever just I mean there was no discussion in the Korean community about you guys was South Korea talking about you guys? I mean, anything like that? Well, maybe shortly after the incident, but after that, no.

Because I think it's culturally, it hurt culturally, you know, because one, we were singled out, you know, as a group, two, the economic damages, you know, and also the devastation allowed. A lot of these businesses, some of them didn't have, you know, insurance to cover the merchandise. So coming to America and then starting a business, entrepreneur, and then failing at that because it got burned and right, next thing you know, you're cleaning toilets at Target, you know, at some minimum wage job.

I mean, and then you have a college degree from Korea from probably one of the best, you know, university of Korea. It's insulting. So that's, that hurt too. You know,

and I think to a certain degree, the community itself wants to put it behind me, you know, because it was, it felt so un-American, right? Because here we are being singled out, you know, and being targeted. when I mean one guy says like shit we didn't beat Rodney King why the fuck is this happening to us right

and then it's not like we all shot that teenager either it was one person but somehow the whole community got the blame for it so because of that along with the fact that it also brought out not for the defenders it was not just the older guy but it also brought out what I want to say a darker element that helped protect the community which they don't want to acknowledge either because it also admits to the fact that not everything Korean is K-pop and smiley, son, sunny. Like, shit like that. Like, there's a darkest side, like, to Korean history and to the culture that, I guess, most Americans aren't aware yet.

I find it amazing, dude, because that's all I would talk about for 20 years. It's about how badass I was. That would be the name of his podcast. Say, Ripley, Rooftop Korean. Yeah, if I could be a rooftop premium, I would love it, dude. Let's you read my book. You'll be, you'll understand like, oh, fuck. Okay, I get wide to him.

It was like, okay, shit, it was like a week for him. I'm going to buy your book. Is it available to buy right now? Yes. Okay. The kinetic edition. That's why I whole punch it with the bullet. That's okay.

I'm going to buy for sure. So you've mentioned the 2020 election. You mentioned January 6th. You know, I wanted to kind of get into this. after you told your story. You know, there's a lot of chaos going on in the world right now. It probably seems more on social media than it actually is, but this is how we interact now.

You say your numbers, guy. What are your thoughts on the 2020 election? Yeah, I think it was fraudulent. I mean, there's enough video evidence that comes out, that came out regarding one. I'll just kind of run through a few of them, right? the pizza box incidents on the window, then you had the ballots coming out with,

you know, those travel luggagees. Then you had ballots that were multiple scans. You had ballots that showed up late in the evening, early in the morning. The fucking count goes only one way, right? It always goes one way. Yeah, it's crazy to me, right?

It's always fucking one way, right? And then you got Biden, a fucking vegetable. And then the base, I got more votes than the fucking first black president. Yeah. I mean, seriously. So that's where the numbers didn't work down. Like, shit, dude, like this is bad because back then we're still in COVID too, right?

I mean, 2020 COVID just started. Everyone was starting to lock down in March and we went through the summer like a whole, you know, six-foot distancing and you can't go inside and eat. All that shit was happening in L.A. And then it was getting even more draconian. So for me, the 2020 election was like, you know, okay, he's going to fix this. We're going to fix this by 2021, right? It's, you know, we're going to say like, okay, COVID isn't that bad. you don't have to

fucking wear a mask all the time or your plastic bullshit shield like you're out in space like it's all going to be cool but then when the 22 election happened and then you see the results and how the ballot worked done it was like I kind of like

I lost my shit and I was like this is not going to be good for us you know so and I think that's where I did the research and I came up with the handle and all that you know um yeah I you know it's really crazy because last night I had a I have another podcast and I just bought your book

by the way um Thank you, Sam. I know I'm very excited. I can't wait to read it. You're in L.A. Let me sign it for you when it comes. I'll meet up with you anytime, dude. Anytime you want to hook up, dude, I'll buy you lunch.

I'd hang out with you anytime. You're a hero to me. You know, I had an argument on another podcast. I have this debate podcast and he's like, every election is stolen. I'm like, but that's not good. Like, to just accept it that every election is stolen. okay and you know you have the people like elections don't matter blah blah blah I go if they didn't matter why would they be spending so much money on propaganda and all that

stuff because they have to convince us to follow them so that is the game in the elections did they do the right thing did their propaganda work and when it's not working that's when the rigging comes in and that's why as you brought up for the first time in my I'm 53 years old at the time of 2000, I was like, what, 47, you know, and first time ever I see a delay in count. Like, oh, we're going to stop counting. Like, we're tired. We're going to take it. We got to take a nap so then we can get back to counting.

And then they get back to counting. And all of the balance coming in are all for Joe Biden. And even though there's no real place where Joe Biden ever had a giant swell of support, you're talking about the guy who got the more votes than Obama. when he comes into the primary he's seventh. Like Obama came in like a bad out of hell. He didn't come in like seventh and he had to work his way to the top and then everybody drops out.

And then it's just giant, giant thievery just like they do with George Bush in Florida. And it's like the way people just accept it. And they would rather be right than do right. And do right is to admit that we all got taken. and they put this, you know, just like you said, vegetable into open the borders and we can get into whatever that represents.

They did a test run in April before November, in South Korea. Oh, really? Same issues in April of that year, 2020. They had an election in South Korea, same issues. And the vote all went one way. And it was like, I think they recorded as the largest turnout, largest one-way vote, like a parties that record.

gun like bullshit like that so they test ran it before they brought it here and they ran it on us in november right because they're not going to test on it on us here they're going to test run in someplace else yes here's where the finished product comes exactly because this is where their military comes from this is where the federal reserve is that funds all of it and and it you know even when hillary kneecaps Bernie Sanders and at the time i like Bernie i i i had a wrong view of socialism back then, but, you know, I was like, whatever the people want, they should get. And then she knee caps them. I'm like that.

And people just formed right behind Hillary. I go, that's not right. That's not who you wanted. The people should get who they want. And it's just shocking to me to learn helplessness. Remember that name, Seth Rich? Yep. Yeah, 100.

Man, we bet. So it sounds like you're into conspiracies. This has been conspiracy Christmas lately with all these drops. everything coming out that we see. But it's just crazy to me. So when you think about your riots and the riots, not your riot, but you know, the riots that happened during, you know, the rooftop Korean situation and you look at what's going on now,

January 6th and all that stuff. What are your thoughts? What do you mean? Like how? Like, what do you mean? Like you brought up January 6 earlier and, you know, I think we might align on a lot of things. What are your thoughts on January 6th?

I was there. You were there? I was there. Can I use a restroom real quick? Yeah, go use the restroom for sure. Go use the restroom. We don't realize how long we go. Yeah, we're about to wrap it up.

We'll go like a couple more minutes. No, what I mean is just like people don't. I think people assume like, oh, okay, we'll do like a quick half hour, you know. We see that sometimes. That's why Sam Peas before the show starts. That's why I pee before the show, Johnny. And you can cut this out, right? What are you?

Okay, so. I'll keep it going. Welcome to Pee-Poo, Blue. are part of a community that a call would go out and we would ban, you know what I mean, like my family, I would do that for my family, and maybe the people in my social circle, but there's nothing. The only thing I think outside of family would be the comedy store for me. If people called and said the comedy store might be in trial.

I remember during the George Floyd, there was talk about that that we might have to defend the store. And I was like, I was ready to grab a gun and drive down. Oh, interesting. I just wonder if you think that would have... We can't burn down Mecca. I mean, you got to think about it. Tony, do you think that would happen today? Like, if the Korean community was threatened in the same way today,

do you think that they would... Is there a mechanism and, like, a sense of community for them to come together like there was then? I think so. Because a lot of the younger guys felt like they missed out. So a lot of the younger guys are going to be like, you know what? Like, if it happens, we're going to be down there.

And they're probably going to come from Orange County, Ventura, you know what I mean? Okay, okay, right on. We were just saying, I don't feel like we have that. Like, there's, I have that with the comedy store, because during the BLM rights, there was talk that things were possibly going to be heading towards the store and if anyone wanted to come down. And I was like, I was ready to go, dude.

I got, I got guns, so I was ready to go down. Defend comedy. Defend comedy. Defend the comedy store because it's done so much for me. I was, I was ready to do that. It was, it was very crazy to me. It's crazy times, you know, but so, so I will wrap it. What's gone?

Sorry. So you want to talk about January 6th? Yeah. What were your thoughts on that whole thing? Well, I was there because, you know, obviously the election. So when he sent out the call, like, hey, we're going to, you know, we're going to protest and we want a second review. I was like, yeah, I'm down with that. So I went with everybody else, you know?

And when I got there, I mean, there was going to be a program and all that. But then, I mean, people were leaving during the middle of a speech because we saw people trickling over to the Capitol book, right? So we thought that was rude. I was like some other people that like, that's rude, right? But we didn't know that these guys that were leaving were the ones that were already, they were basically, you know, getting physical with Capitol Police. And they were already fighting to pick, to pull down the barrier. And all that. So by the time the rest of the crowd got there, some of the barricades were already down.

You know, the entrances were being open. Where I was was right at the steps. So we were just on the steps. But I think on the other sides, people were being filtered into the capital building. You know, so, you know, I think it was the next morning that really kind of, you know, it struck me that the next morning on the seventh, whenever all, everything came, you know, to light like Ashley Babbit and everything else in terms of what happened and how they were starting you know paint this you know as an insurrection all I already I was like fuck you know it was a setup

you know and that's and it's in my book as well because the publisher had me take the story from the riots because I start the story from 2021 we spa there was a protest that we spot and I start there And I take it through the rice and I bring it back to 2021. But yeah, it was like I knew like that that morning that once we got the news regarding Ashley and Heather Payne, like it is just going to be a bad four years for us, you know, through this through that current administration until we get another shot at it. You know, but yeah, I knew shit. Any thoughts on it being an intelligence operation with tons of intelligence officers all over the place? Yeah. It was feds were involved.

Not only that, but in my book, I'll talk about this now where I saw coordination that was similar to the Hong Kong protesters in 2019, how they were coordinating that at the Capitol building. And I know for a fact that a lot of the conservatives, right-wing groups, they didn't have that type of training. You know, so the training, the thing that I saw them doing there was very similar to what they did in Hong Kong with the Hong Kong police and how they were moving items to the front of the crowd. And orders were being sent to the back and, you know, things were. And then they did an interview with someone and how they were coordinating that. And I remember watching that and then watching what happened at the cap of it. And it was so eerily similar that I was like, fuck, there's something up with this, you know?

Not only that, but, you know, we found someone that had an anarchy tattoo on their hand. Oh, snap. Yeah, it was, and then he called him out, you know, and then as soon as he got called out, the guy basically scurred back into the crowd and we tried to follow him, we lost him in the crowd. And that's when we knew, like, the reason why there's no huge Antifa presence that we're accustomed to seeing, like from November and October is because they're in the crowd with us. And that's kind of how we figured out, like, they're in their crowd with us, but not only that, but, you know, feds as well.

So, yeah, I think, I think that was part of the, Michigan Governor kidnapping case to establish domestic terrorism. And now they're labeling these people in Minneapolis as domestic terrorism. And the game they play is get you to

be okay with them doing it in someone you don't like. Because once they label you a domestic terrorist, your constitutional rights are out the door. So they're grabbing all these immigrants. And we could have a discussion on whether that's right or wrong. And I'd say, you break the law, you break the law, but, you know, they're using a sledgehammer for something

that needs a scalpel, you know, but I think that's all part of the game. But once you get okay with that, accepting it with others, then boom, they turn around. They do it rate to you. So we have to be very cautious on how we move forward. I'm going to end the interview on this. How are your, two things, how are your kids reacting to you going to January 6? they were young then they were younger like around 10 and 12 so i had to explain to them why i was doing what i was doing i mean my youngest one my daughter she cried right she didn't want me to leave but i had to explain to them like this is why i'm doing it this is where i'm going you know and i'm not like politically active the last you know uh protest i attended was back in 2003

when you know we were going into iraq after 9-11 right so that was like like right two years after 9-11 we went to ira ratch which is like bullshit yeah i love you buddy you're the best that's the last purpose i went to so i had to tell her why i was going to this next protest in in 2020 you know 20 21 and dc you know and it's fucked up man because i want to go to dc with my family and do the whole like you know snap pictures in front of the link i yeah yeah yeah i'm going there my first trip is to fucking contest an election yeah so i'd explain that so yeah so it was Yeah, it wasn't the best conversation, but, you know, I had to happen. Well, last question is, you know, we've seen memes about Korean culture,

and they show, like, like, one of the badass guys from Bloodsport, and he's just thick, martial artist, and then they show K-pop. What are your thoughts on, like, the whole K-pop movement and all that stuff, and, you know, how big K-pop demon hunters got in. And are you cool with it? Do you think it's the, are we old heads going, what's up with all these femy guys? Like, what are your thoughts on all that?

I have a teenage daughter. She's 15. Does that answer your question? I went to the twice concert two weeks ago. I was that? I liked it. I had fun. You know, but my fun was just watching my daughter, like,

loser mind. Yeah. And video bigger. That was fun. That must have been so much fun. I mean, compared to what's coming out in Hollywood, all the fucking demonic satanic shit. I mean, K-pop is like, it's so, it's so harmless.

It's so happy, feeling goody. You know what I mean? It's wholesome compared to like, you know, like the stuff that's Hollywood is pretty, you know, like the music industry right now is producing. It's just, shit. That new, that new. No, but bad, Bundy? Like, this Super Bowl is going to be such a demon.

Super Bowl halftime shows could be so demonic. And it's just, like, I guess they've just decided to do cultural Marxism in our sports. Sports used to be bred in circuits to help us forget our problems. Now it's the only thing we watch. So they decide to corrupt that as well. Tony, listen, you can come on the show anytime you want, even if you're not pushing a book. You just want to talk conspiracies.

You have an open door that come on. If you need to talk to someone who thinks like you, the door is wide open, any and all time. One more time. Tell them about your book, buddy. Yeah, it's a rooftop Korean scheduled for April of this year. That's what we're hoping to, you know, have it released, but we'll see. I think it'll be a great read. It's going to change perhaps perception regarding the riots and also perhaps regarding how one immigrant like myself sees what's happening right now in America, and I'm just giving my two cents on it. So, yeah. Dude, you got to make shirts. I would buy a rooftop Korean shirt right now. I was looking.

looking for, dude. I'd be like, I'd wear that with pride. Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, you know, let's see how the book does. I think the book was going to do well, but we can do the merch after, I suppose. I hope you sell it as a movie, buddy, that I'd be so happy for you. You're such a good dude, man. We really appreciate you coming on, dude. Again, open door anytime. And let's break down the episode. All right, Tony Moon, I'm going to jump in and say, read out the guest, right out the gate. They say, don't meet your heroes. Well, today we met our hero. We met our and it was excellent. That was an excellent episode.

Yep. Yep. He's a fucking legend. You could have an asked for a better interview from a guy that was so badass. Cool person. Cool, cool background. Johnny, so your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your,

your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, you make a call to me who shows up first? Well, I mean, XG, it lives in Glendale. So, it's, it's, you make a, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's going to be you, obviously. Thank you. But I'm going to come with homies. I'm going to come with some homies.

As long as you let us smoke weed at your shop, we'll take care. I was about to say after you guys finish the bong, then you'll be there. Yeah, it is, there's something. And he didn't seem to agree with this, but I just feel like that's something that's kind of lost now, that sense of like people back together against, against, against the government and against, you know, other criminals in the streets and stuff. I mean, it just feels like we're all so divided now that you couldn't get really. Because that's just, I don't know, there's something, but that story is just that part of that story anyway.

It's just like something wholesome and makes you, it makes it's a good feeling. Like, hey, when it came to it, people came together, you know, when it got down to the real, like, there was a real element of danger. We, we, even the kids, you know, he was 19, bro. Dude, he was 19 and he was a car salesman. Crazy. He's a 19 of car salesman. I mean, what are we doing here? Like, are you really going to get 19 year olds off the video games?

You're going to get 19 year old to go sell an adult a car? Yeah, that's pretty awesome. Is that what you think you're doing? And you know, it's weird because him as a 19-old, he went there to kind of defend a city. I've known people that were his age that were coming in from Orange County to go loop. like the whole opposite of like hey oh my god la is going down let me go to tv we've we're so out of whack right now we're so out of whack what we worship what how we see the world is so half-ass backwards it's mind-blowing happening in the country like people coming out but more like

defending their property their their farm you know what i mean not like in the city i could see people coming on the farm i fantasize about that sometimes thinking about like where i would set up if there were people trying to get on the property, you know, where the sight lines are, where I, but, you know, I watched, you know, you talked about this in the past, Sam. Someone did a timeline. You remember that movie Civil War where it's like Texas and California got together to start the Civil War? They did like a timeline of how that was supposed to go down. And it was just the most ridiculous idea of how Civil War might happen. It was, you know, it's purely based on like Trump deciding that he does.

doesn't want to leave is the, which could happen. Totally. Yeah, totally. I think he's more likely to kind of cheat like the rules, you know, like the gray or maybe. He said he wouldn't do this, but I could see him totally running as Vance's vice president, Vance stepping down and then him becoming president, something like that. Dude, imagine taking to the butt from Peter Thiel and then be like, I got to step down.

That's what my did. Putin had Medvedev. He just kind of flip-flopped. Medvedev and he was still essentially in charge and then came back, which is weird to me because they say Putin's a full ass dictator, but he cared enough about the constitutional

system to step, you know, to leave for a little while. Now he's not even... What about the theory about him getting impeached if the Democrats take over the next term or whatever? Is that even possible with this whole new drop? I just, I'm going to be honest with you

dude, this notion that there's this groundswell for Democrats is laughable to me. People are just tired of everything. I mean, I don't think they like the Republicans either. That's what I mean, yeah. They just want to change. But I think they hate the Democrats more. I mean, with all this fraud coming out,

I mean, the Democrats play so fucking dirty, dude. The Republicans do too. But it's more about the two wings of the rotten bird. But my God, dude, they are so dirty. Well, we just thought about it, though, it's not really going to matter because the way they've gerrymandered California. They're still going to win in the midterms because of the Supreme Court now has said, okay. Let's say we elect a Republican for governor. Can he go in and take that out?

Can he appeal that? Can he use his governor powers? Well, once it's in the law, I would assume that it would take, because it's not an executive order, right? It's actually something that passed the legislature, if I'm not mistaken. So it would have to be, yeah, it's not like he could veto it after it's become law. So I guess it would take it would no, I don't think so, Sam. Unbelievable. But it is temporary.

It's not permanent if I'm not mistaken. It's just a temporary thing. Like in essence, but you know they say there's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program. Yeah, I'm with you. We'll see. Crazy. Guys, I made it on Osman Gold. How cool is that?

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Sam. I'm excited about the 500th episode, you piece of shit. That's cool. Trying to make me look stupid. Yeah, I was trying to catch you. You're right. didn't. Yep, I gotcha. So one more time, Tony Moon, Rooftop Korean. I bought the book. I'm excited to read it. I hope it's pop up, you know. I love Korean. He's shooting the book. He's actually shooting a hole in the book. How cool is that? I love that. I love that. Every time I meet Korean, I tell him I know Bobby Lee. Just see if I get me. I was waiting free to say it. I was waiting

free to tell him that you knew. I wanted to ask him about if he liked Bobby Lee or he found him offensive, you know, but I love, I love it. Koreans are great, dude. Asians are great. They're good people. It's a cool community. They're very family warranted. And that's why they do well.

And that's why the black community through Psiops has been destroyed through crack laws and culture. And I hope they can wake up to it and realize they're doing the bidding of the people that they despise. Yeah. You know? and dude i would i would dude if they called me comedy stores under siege get down here i grab my gun be like rod captain rod upon your old mystery of ship and i would go out there just be like click click click click click click click click

get some on top of the roof oh dude can i be can i go on the roof rooftop armenians let's go dude let's go robo i like that yeah the rooftop armo i like that yeah the rooftop armo Marmel. Maybe I'll go that for Christmas. I mean, Halloween. Maybe I'll do it for Christmas, too. Daddy, why you dress like that? I let you do the Santa's going to go down my chimney. I don't think so. Give me the gifts, fat man. My favorite part is things they had around their head. Those like bandana, you know, those, what do you call that? Yeah. Isn't that what the karate kid wore? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. By the way, you ever watch old, old, like, clips from like happy days? Like all these guys. that blew up had cameos in their small roles. Mr. Miyagi, fucking Tom Hanks was like some karate guy

that came in and was chopping up the bar. Tom Hanks was? Yeah. Really? Yeah. You're right. Why isn't there a movie about rooftop Koreans? I don't know.

I'd go watch it. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like, what, do we, does Hollywood want to make a movie where black people are the bad guy? No, it never happened. Tush.

Tuchy. It's starting to happen more. A little bit more. I've seen a couple of movies where bad guys were the black, the black guys were the bad guys. Oh no, I don't mean like where they are, I mean like based on reality. Do you know what I'm saying? Not like where they're like.

Oh yeah. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy times, dude.

Crazy times. I hope you guys enjoyed talking, hearing my hero talk. Love you guys. And enjoy these highlights. Here's a clip from the latest broken sim. Someone mentioned this in the comments and it's a good setup. Bannon was. doing this PR rehab thing where he just interviewed Epstein and asked him these weird questions.

Here's one of them right here. This was in the file dump. It's so strange. If you live it. Just ask a question. Is your money dirty money? No, it's not. So, in fact, why is it not dirty money?

Because I earned it. But you earned it. We went back to this before. You earned it. advising the worst people in the world, right, that do enormous bad things. And just to make more money, you're a mathematician. We walked into that clinic where they're giving that money out to these people that are the most dire straits of poverty and sickness and told them that the money was coming from a,

what are you, class three sexual predator? Tear one. Jesus. The highest and worst? No, I'm the lowest. You're the lowest. Tier one, you're the lowest. but a criminal.

Yes. That the money came from them. What percentage of people do you estimate? I understand. I don't like probably those. Do you estimate would say, I don't care. I want the money for my children.

I would say, everyone said, I want the money for my children. Did they know where the money came from? I think if you told them, the devil. 100%. The devil himself.

The devil himself said, I'm going to exchange some dollars for your child's life. Do you think you're the devil himself? No, but I do have a good mirror. It's a serious question. I'm sorry. Do you think you're the devil of itself?

I don't know. Why would you say that? Because you have all the attributes. You're incredibly smart. You remember the devil is somebody. Is your money dirty money? How weird was that, dude? That's a crazy, crazy thing, dude.

What does that tell you about him? I feel like that gives you some insight into who he was. But I don't, I can't quite get the conclusion that you. I mean, what? How does he regard himself, in your opinion, Jeffrey Epstein? What does he think he is? He knows what he is. He's just trying to run PR.

He's a liar. He's a, he's a child trafficker, dude. Do you think he has any problem with lying? Oh, I only, I only make it through honest ways. Really? You won the lottery twice. Like, what are you talking about? Here is, uh, now here is him talking again about just weird shit with Bannon.

But I can't see anything here. So I'll just call it dark. matter. And I'll say, I don't know what it is, but it behaves as if there was something there. The soul is obvious to everyone that there's something different between things that are alive and things that are not alive. But we have no idea what it is. It's currently unexplainable. I believe we need an entirely different system of analysis to try to figure out. Sorry. No. With Newton, you know, with Newton, you know, with all his alchemic study, chemical studies, and things he worked on the spiritual side,

Leibniz that just talked about the soul. Schroeder talking about what his life. If a modern scientist or someone that you funded at MIT or Harvard or one of these things talked in those types of terms, they would be considered to be a wing nut today, wouldn't they? They would not be on the path for tenure, right? Unless they were in the philosophy department. This is exactly my point. We're talking about three of the greatest mathematicians in mankind's history that have really changed mankind. Here's the problem with this is that so much a lot of the dark stuff that he was into, like COVID, the Ukraine, the Ukraine hadn't even happened yet, right?

I mean, like, dude, this guy's a liar. And the thing about him, dude, is you can see he's charismatic. he's a charismatic guy you know you're kind of listening to him you're like oh man that's interesting he's charismatic that's the only reason it worked and like i'm still trying to find out why why they picked him and it seems to be a little bit i don't think he's remarkable in any way honestly i find him incredibly uh i mean this i think he's like you're kind of drawn in the listening to him. Maybe because we know how notoriously crazy he was and all the dark shit he does.

You kind of want to listen to what he's saying. Not that you're buying it, but you kind of want to listen to it. But he's just a liar. I think it was Brett Weinstein that met. It was one of the Weinstein. No, Eric Weinstein that met him and said that he seemed like a construct, like he was kind of, you know, an invented character. and that's the feeling I get.

Like you know, it's like if you watch these guys in particularly comedy or even pro wrestling, right, where they come up this character and they become in their life, they become that character. Yes. Because that character is what people want to see. So Dice was like a really great actor when he was a kid. But then the character of Andrew Dice Clay hit, he became dice

or dice became Andrew I don't know but it seems like he became that character same thing with like probably Hogan or and Hogan and Mitz he stole his entire persona from a this one guy that was

Jim something before him but then he becomes Hogan right he no longer goes by what his real name is he now goes by his character so Jeffrey Epstein became a character and he

fully it just controlled him enveloped him is that the word I'm looking for? Yeah sure. Yeah I mean you know

yeah there's this saying about fame Fame fame is a mask that eats into the face it's something that they all go crazy I did David Lucas's show today we're talking about you know how like

we're talking about if they're this type of movies in the movie theater um you go to it. Mine was any monster movie with Godzilla. His was like Martin, what was that Martin Lawrence?

Will Smith movie? What was it? Bad boys. Bad boys. He's like, if there's a bad boy, I'll go to the movie theater. And I was just like, how crazy did Martin Lawrence go?

And he goes, that's what Hollywood does to you. It just eats you up. It just eats you up. Totally. I'm with you. Um, we, so that's really, I mean, we, we covered most of the things I wanted to cover for the Epstein. Uh, the eps. Oh, there was one last thing. Another, okay, this is that we'll end on the big W. We'll end our Epstein segment on the big W for conspiracy theorists. Guess who was at right in the heart of all of this? It was one of the oldest names and conspiracies, uh, being well represented, the Rothschilds. They were, it's not even knowing that. How about Norm Chomsky, dude? Yeah. Like, that's the most shocking one.

Like, how can you be, and Norm Chownski, like, open my eyes to the media? If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app, or check us out at YouTube.com slash Sam Tripoli. We go deep, homeboy. Eric, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some inter-dimensional shit.

Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. Dude, you just blew my mind. Timfoil hack.