Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #969: Virus Panic With Dr. Mark Bailey and Autumn McLees

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

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You're not allowed to have Lyme disease in New Zealand because they say we don't have it. So it's the same with malaria. We have exactly the same mosquitoes here and that everywhere. But we're not allowed to make that diagnosis because we're not in the right area apparently. So yeah, Lyme disease is completely farcical. What? Yeah, we have presentations on this and it's really sad to see how they invented a condition out of thin air. and then brought in the whole bioweapon narrative.

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Please welcome Autumn McLeese. And he was a doctor. He's still a doctor, but he's now an independent researcher. Please welcome Dr. Mark Bailey. How are you guys? We are great. Thank you guys so much. How are you, doctor? Very good. Thank you, Johnny. Lovely to be here.

Thank you, buddy. Greatly appreciated. Very excited to be here with you guys. Before we start, I'm going to give each one of you guys just a little moment to tell us a little about yourself and where our listeners can start. Doctor, I'm Sam, by the way, and tell us a little bit about yourself first. Yeah, so basically I was a conventionally trained doctor and you know that was in the 1990s when I was at medical school

and graduated in 1999. Now when I graduated it corresponded to a period where I was becoming a professional athlete professional Jew athlete, slight triathlon, but without the swimming and there became a bit

of a cognitive dissonance that developed because while I was learning about all these pharmaceuticals and interventions and surgical procedures that we were supposed to do on our patients. I was becoming incredibly healthy and fit, obviously, as a high-performance athlete. Many of the things we were being taught was really at odds with what I was finding were the best health and lifestyle practices.

So, yeah, right from day one, it was off to a interesting start for me in my medical career. The other issue that I had near the end of my medical training was that I hadn't had all the recommended vaccines. And so they pulled it up on my record and said, you know, I couldn't go into clinical medicine on the hospital wards unless I completed the vaccine schedule. And at that point, I read what we would call anti-vax material. And at the time, I was actually horrified with the whole process of how vaccines were developed and given to us. And I was almost at the point where I wasn't going to take them because I thought there was enough evidence to suggest it was a dangerous, if not, unethical practice. But I was convinced by senior medical colleagues. I had a chat to a few of them and they said, look, this anti-vax stuff, it's all misinformation, it's been disproven.

You know, we've got the best people who have researched this and etc. And they said, and otherwise you're not going to be able to continue your medical training and start work as a doctor. So I took the last few vaccines I had to take. And luckily didn't have any terrible effects from those. But that was also one of the speed wobbles coming into this. Now, by, I did spend 15 years as a doctor in the system. Over that time, a lot of it was wireless being a professional athlete, so I think that kept my sanity. I spent a lot of time away from medicine doing something else and could just come back into it and doing bits and pieces.

In 2007, I came back into full-time medicine after retiring from my sports career. And straight away, I was finding problems because I didn't find any area that I could work in satisfactorily in terms of, not causing problems for the patients. I didn't want to prescribe all these medications or surgical procedures. So I looked around for a while. I even spent time, and I know it seems strange now, as a clinical trials research physician. So this was testing pharmaceuticals for the first time in human volunteers.

And that opened my eyes to a whole other aspect of the MedicoFarmor industry. And that was that there were no good drugs. Okay. Before we get into that, because I love everything you're saying, this is in my wheelhouse. I just want to before we get into everything, bring in autumn real quick. So she can tell us a little bit about herself. And then when you get into the mean potatoes, because I'm all about that. Real quick, what was the sport you went pro in?

So it was duathlon. What is that? I've never heard of that, Juathlon. Yeah, it's like cousin. It's like the poor cousin. Could you spell it? Because I think this is we're having an accent issue. What could It's D-U. Oh, thank you. Okay.

D-Athland. Yeah, we're hearing a J instead of D. And we're incredibly confused. I've never heard that. But thank you for clearing that up for us. Thank you. Autumn. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Yeah. So almost about five years ago, I went in for some routine labs. and out of left field was labeled with a very obscure diagnosis. It's known as hepatitis C.

It's a viral condition of what they say is transferred through the blood. And I told the doctor, I said, there's absolutely no way I can have this. Surely they have mixed up my blood results. We need to redo this. So we redid it, and it came back. And sure enough, I was positive. Now, if you're not familiar with what hepatitis C is, it's a deadly blood-borne liver disease, essentially.

Right. And I have not had any possible way I could have contracted it the way that they said. No tattoos, no blood transfusions, never done a drug in my life. My husband and I, we've actually only been with each other, and he doesn't have it. Wow. So I went into like an identity crisis. And I'm like your typical, hopeless, doom and gloom patient of the allopathic medicine world. We get labeled with something.

We get sent on to, you know, pick up our prescription, have a nice life. And that's that. Well, not only was I labeled with this deadly virus, but the medication itself is $80,000. It has a black box warning. and it has a risk of death. Yeah. So that's where I found myself until I started researching and woke up and crossed the paths of Dr. Mark Bailey and his wife is also a doctor, Dr. Sam Bailey. And they're amazing with all of this.

And they basically played a role in helping me wake up to they actually don't have an isolated virus of hepatitis C. And we're in it. Let's go. That's my favorite subject. This is my favorite subject. So your podcast is called... It's called No Better Do Better. It was born because of this journey that I've been on.

And, you know, this journey is continuing to unfold. Okay, great. I just want people to be able to know where they can find you. So when, after they hear what you have to say, they can run over there and support you guys. So, doctor, I cut you off. I didn't mean to do that. I wasn't trying to be mean or anything. I just wanted to get all the information out.

So where do you guys want to start? She kind of got into her diagnosis. Is that where you want to jump or do you want to get back to kind of when you start realizing stuff is getting weird? Because, you know, I've said this before, like when it comes to viruses and stuff like that, if you have a baby and from the moment that baby starts to learn, you teach that baby that red is blue, okay? for their whole for it's going to be almost impossible to convince them that red is not blue and red is actually red but because they're trained in this they're very confident about what they've been told because they trust everybody so you know when you find people who are medical experts telling you something a lot of it comes from the fact that they were told by people that they

trust and they're and you know we've seen through the covid era that a lot of these medical doctors started asking questions and they lost their their medical license. So there's a lot of incentives to toe the line. So I want to get back to that whole thing because that really resonated with me that you went to experts to, to, you know, ask questions and bring up criticisms. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, coming back to where I was at, I got to 2016 and I was done with medicine. So I quit my clinical practice, gave up my practicing certificate. People thought I was just taking a break and I said, no, I'm getting out of this. I don't believe in it anymore. I don't believe in the medical system as it is and I don't think we can help patients. So I was,

I'd walked away from it fully, but as was mentioned, my wife Sam, who's a bit younger than me, she was still in her medical career and she was offered this job on network television. So she was saying, well, I can do that as well, and I know it seems very odd now. So in 2019, I've been out of medicine three years. Sam's still got a research job, enjoying what she's doing, gets put on network television and this new show they brought out here in New Zealand. And then we get to the end of 2019, and Sam, a friend said to her,

hey, now that you're a TV presenter, you should start your own YouTube channel. And Sam was like, oh, okay, I'll give it a try. She starts making videos and we start getting feedback from people saying, hey, look, I know you guys think you're highly trained, but you've been misled on a number of areas and you need to start doing your own research. And we were like, whoa, initially we dismissed it and thought, well, hey, we're the experts here. We know what we're talking about. But Sam started looking into some of these things and realized, oh my goodness,

we'd been misled as medical doctors that a lot of research had actually been hidden from us. we'd been told narratives that didn't stack up when it came to the scientific literature. So then she starts his YouTube channel and it starts getting a lot of traction. Like thousands of people sometimes a day are joining the channel because I think they can see that here's a doctor that's about to spill the beams and people are like thinking this is going to be great. And then we start getting the questions about the situation in Wuhan and people say, look, they're saying there's this new entity, some disease, it's contagious.

And by then Sam's overwhelmed with her new channel. And she asked me, she said, can you come and help me? And I was initially reluctant because I'd walked away from medicine, you know, almost four years earlier. And I said, okay, well, I'll have a look into it. And I started looking into the COVID situation. And within a short time, I came back to Sam and I said, there's nothing scientific to this entire thing. This is, you know, early 2020. I said the WHO is putting out statements.

They're just opinion pieces. They don't have proper scientific references. I think there's a problem not only with the COVID narrative, but then soon after we realized there was a problem with the whole contagion virus pathogen narrative as well. And we were shocked, and it was such a turning point in our lives that we couldn't believe that we'd been,

brought into this world of medicine with all these paradigms that were simply untrue. So that really led us to completely abandon. I'd already obviously got out of it, but then Sam had to get out as well. And she became one of the most prosecuted doctors in New Zealand's history, not because any patient of hers ever complained. She never had one complaint, but because of the material that we were publishing. and we quickly came to realize that once you go against the virus model, the germ theory model, and the vaccine model, which is basically the medico-pharmaceutical industry, they come after you. And the censorship became extreme for us, and we still managed to reach millions of people in 2020 and onwards.

But yeah, that brought us into this new paradigm. And amazingly, it brought us into contact with people like Autumn who knew that something was wrong with the narratives. And obviously hers was not the COVID narrative helped wake up Autumn as well. But she was diagnosed with hepatitis C and thought, how does this make sense? It does not make sense. And it made sense when she found the research of Sam and I and others like Tom Cowan, Andy Kaufman, the Perth Group, etc. suddenly things, I think, started making sense for her. Yes, it's always interesting because when the Wuhan narrative comes out,

it's very similar to the spars pandemic. Well, it was a, what was it, 201, Agenda 201, almost, almost step for step, but they started in Latin America, you know, that was their little, you know, shoulder fake on us. It's in land America. It's not in Asia. But what I always found very interesting is that there was never, ever, ever a story told to us about how the virus got away from Wuhan. We never, ever found that out, right? And I always take the scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark when the Nazis open up the chest and the ghost comes.

And I go footage, CCTV footage from Wuhan on how the virus got. away because they never told us. The most important thing of how did this virus escape was never explained. Did someone drop some kind of vial or something like that? Nobody ever told us that. It just came from Wuhan. And that was the, that's what, well, first it came from a wet market. Then it's like, fine, we'll tell you. It was a, you know, a medical lab in Wuhan. So, you know, sorry, you got us, which is hilarious in itself. do you find that weird at all, doctor? Yeah, well, that was the first red flag for us was, as doctors,

we thought what entity makes people walk down the street and just drop dead, you know, seemingly otherwise healthy people? You know, what kind of condition is this? Apart from chemical poisoning, there's nothing else you can really think of that would do that. So, yeah, instantly the narrative made no sense. And the other problem, and I've written essays about this, was that these so-called cover-ups of lab leaks, etc. were being promoted in early 2020 and massively promoted.

They were allowed to go out to millions of people. And so what they did is they created a couple of options for people. One was that, yeah, there was a wet market incident that possibly from a bat cave a thousand miles away and, you know, various animals were involved and it was some sort of lunatic event where an animal entity jumped into the human population. So that was one of the ones they put forward. And then the other was, well, hang on a minute. There's this Wuhan Institute of Virology and what goes on there.

And we had all the stage stuff. So there was China Daily, which is the communist Chinese government news platform. In 2018, they were pumping out pictures of all their quote viruses in their lab showing off, You know, they were saying we've got all these coronaviruses we're doing work on. This was all over the internet. And then in 2020, oh my goodness, they quickly took those images down. But the images were still everywhere. You could just go to archive.org or anywhere else to have a look at them.

And so, yeah, and then a whole lot of people who thought that they were uncovering the truth got completely duped into this narrative that the reason they were, you know, covering. things up was that because Ralph Barrett and Anthony Fauci and others had been funding research and it had gone out of control and either accidentally or intentionally someone had leaked one of these so-called viruses and it escaped and caused this worldwide problem. So these narratives were promoted, they were planted and essentially the population was given two choices, either the wet market theory, zoonotics. jump or the lab leak intentional versus accidental. Those of us that could see right through the scientific material could say it's neither

of those. There is nothing. There's no new disease. There's no isolation of any virus. All that they had was a new PCR test that came out even, it came out two months before the WHO even declared the fake pandemic. I mean, these tests were ready to roll in mid-January. And if you look at the timeline, that makes no sense either.

That they said that they found a virus before that even published anything in the scientific literature. I think they got so excited with what was happening and that they were getting so much buy-in across the world that they got quite sloppy even with the timeline. And it was completely unrealistic. I find it very interesting. You know, one thing that I heard on a friend of mine show, Jimmy Dorr, he had a guest, Ron Placone on. Ron said something very profound on the show, and it was like oligarchies help oligarchies, right? And, you know, there's a lot of discussion about how many people have kind of vanished in China right now since the beginning of the COVID vaccine. And it's a big number. It's a, like, it's shocking how big the number is like we've never seen before. And so this becomes kind of this game that's getting played with the United States and China working together to kind of sell this narrative to their population. You know, and how they slow rolled it out to America was, oh, there's these Chinese people falling in the middle of the street. We don't know what.

Well, now we think it's this COVID thing. Then all of a sudden it's like, yeah, it's COVID, dude. It's China. It's all over there. And then they kind of go, hey, don't worry. worry about it's just an Asian disease you'll be fine it's just the Asians and the Chinese and that's how they get you once they get you to accept it for someone else you're you're you're kind of trapped and then all of a sudden it's like whoa an American got it now now you're trapped because it's real in

your head and now it's a real situation and we never even saw anybody falling until people got the the vaccine that's when we realized that's when we started seeing people falling so I find everything you're saying very interesting to me Now, Autumn, did your diagnosis come before or after COVID? It was in 2021, so I'm coming up on five years. So before that, did the COVID narrative kind of get a hold of you? It did at first because I didn't know. We'd obviously never gone through anything like that.

So I didn't know like what was going on or what to expect. But slowly but surely, I started to wake up. And not to the extent that I am now of like viruses in my opinion, like literally don't exist. I have never seen any evidence. That's what Dr. Bailey is here for as well. He has never seen any evidence of a virus existing. But I was, it was, it warmed me up, we'll just say, for sure, to eventually receive this diagnosis. Hey, guys, we've been telling this for years.

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some dirty work going on here. Yeah, and honestly, you know, there wasn't a lot of literature out there for hepatitis C. I mean, some scientific references, but there was actually more challenging the narrative of HIV. So I actually started to look into HIV. And one of the things that I learned, the first thing that actually made me question, I learned that you could test positive for HIV here in the U.S. and test negative in another country.

And I thought, hold up, okay, this is exactly what I'm looking for. And since these two are somewhat similar in the sense that they're blood-borne and their viruses floating around and duplicating and replicating in the blood, Then I kind of, you know, looked a little bit deeper into HIV where I could, but I was still looking for information for hepatitis C. And, you know, Dr. Bailey's wife, Dr. Sam Bailey, is actually the co-author of a book called Virus Mania. And there's a chapter in there that talks about hepatitis C. So I actually invited her on the podcast. She came on. We hashed it out. And yeah, there's like, there's no denying it. I've looked at the research not myself.

They're not pulling a blood. They're not pulling a virus out of my blood. They're not doing such a thing. They're not finding a virus. But yet they get to label me with this. And so many people are labeled with viruses. And it's not to say that they don't have symptoms or that they might have some health problems.

But as far as the viral narrative goes, are they really pulling a virus out of The blood? No, they're not. Is it two different tests? Because you said in Europe or somewhere else, it's different. Is it two different tests or is it? Threshold. Yeah, is there a different protocol or why is it completely different? Yeah, perhaps I can comment on that. Because the issue with AIDS is a syndrome.

So it's not a specific entity anyway. And that was part of the scam in the 1980s was that there was no new disease. there was just reclassification of old diseases into a new umbrella term called AIDS, which is a syndrome. So what happened was that initially they would do blood tests, and with any blood tests that involves an antibody, you've got to set it at a certain level. And if they set the level too sensitive, everybody's positive,

because this is not a yes-no thing. It's not you do have the protein. or you don't have it, it's different levels that you might have at a particular time. So what they found was that if they set the test at certain levels, they got way too many positives. And if they set it too high, they didn't get any. So then they had to kind of adjust the test depending on where they were in the world, because different places would have different results. But then what happened is that in places like Africa,

they decided that you could just have a present place. like weight loss and diarrhea. And that would, they'd say that's it. You got, that's HIV positive. Whereas if you were in a country like New Zealand or the United States, particularly in high socioeconomic areas, you'd only be classified. It wouldn't matter what symptoms you had. You had to have two positive tests in sequence with assays that were set at, you know,

reasonably high levels. So that, that's why you. could move from country to country and be positive, like Autumn said, it's preposterous. You could go from one country where you're so-called not HIV positive and then go to another country where they say, no, now you are HIV positive. So, yeah, and we have to keep in mind, like Autumn mentioned, they're not finding a virus. They're finding a blood test result that they do in a laboratory. So like a protein reaction result.

And we know with so-called AIDS for HIV positive tests, there's like dozens and dozens of conditions where you'll be positive. Like even pregnancy can make a woman return a positive HIV assay. So, yeah, in short, there's more to it than that. The background is appalling to this. It went on for years, this fraud and goes on to this day. But in summary, that's why you can be positive somewhere and not somewhere else. And the same with steroids. Steroids can actually cause a positive antibody test for hepatitis C, I learned.

And so, you know, we're just really here to blow the whistle because I was trusting of this. I mean, I almost let them label me, and I almost believed I was on my way out of this world. And to know that this appears to be just pseudoscience. And yet people believe it, and they're under the spell and the trance of the man in the white coat and what he proclaims death or life over your life. I mean, it's, it's ludicrous. Yeah. I forget what Monica Perez called it. Like, you know, when we were like, oh, trust doctors. And they're like, they're the only ones who get to look through the microscope, right? They're like the priest of the high microscope. Yeah, the high priest of the microscope.

Yeah, the high priest of the microscope. And we just take it. And it's so crazy that you talk about hepatitis C because I remember like, I'd say 10 or 15 years ago, Anthony Kedis was diagnosed with Hep C. And then all of a sudden, there was all these articles about, oh, yeah, he doesn't have it anymore. They kind of cured it. And they just cleaned his blood out. And I'm like, that sounds like really weird to me that you could do that. And it probably just, to me, was he had enough money to pay somebody to say they was an H.

Hepatitis C. you know, sick anymore. So it's, and this does come down, right, guys, to money and why people don't say anything because their jobs depend on it. Do you think that's the same thing with Magic Johnson, kind of money and didn't say anything about it because he has to play the narrative? Well, I think someone who cared about Magic Johnson pulled him aside to go, don't take this drug.

It's what's going to kill you. and that's why he quit Bush's AIDS panel that he was named to. He quit all that. And it used to be a hacky joke in stand-up comedy about how everybody wanted to get Magic Johnson AIDS because that came with a billion dollars, right? So, you know, it's very interesting the game that is getting played. So, you know, Johnny is our resident devil's advocate when it comes to a lot of these things. he likes to ask questions.

You know, Johnny, do you have any questions so far? He doesn't like it. No, he doesn't. You kind of put him on the spot. No, I would ask, okay, you mentioned these assays. Now, are these similar, are these standards also applied to diagnosing bacterial infections? Like the same threshold? No, they're somewhat separate because with bacteria, they've obviously been shown to exist. And this is the big thing.

Now, one of the things that I've written about in my critiques of virology is that virology invented itself as a field before they even knew. They hadn't even established, basically, that viruses existed, and then the field launched itself. That's a problem compared to bacteriology, where with the development of the light microscope, they were taking samples from nature, from humans, and they could actually see bacteria.

And the bacteria under light microscope, we can see that they divide, they metabolize things, we can see that they're living entities and that they do exist. So the issue with virology is that they didn't go out in nature and find any of these entities that meet the definition of a virus.

They just assumed that they were there. And then with the invention of the, electron microscope in the 1930s, it should have ended virology once and for all because they were taking samples from people said to have viral illnesses, but then they couldn't find any viruses or anything different from taking samples from people that were said not to have viral illnesses. So that was a major problem. But eventually, to get to your question about antibodies, they became a big thing with so-called viral entities because an antibody test is an indirect test and that means that you have to be very careful because it doesn't actually

rely on the presence of what you think it does. So in the case of an antibody test, it relies on the presence of a protein. Now, we're not denying the existence of proteins. You are going to find them everywhere in living systems. What we say is that there's no evidence whatsoever that they come from a virus. But in the case like autumn, that's what's happened, is that she went in and had some blood tests and then they said, oh, you're positive for hepatitis C antibodies, which they say her body's making proteins in response to the hepatitis C virus. but the hepatitis C virus doesn't exist

there's no paper on earth which shows that so that is the issue with antibodies yeah so it's a bit different than bacteria where you can actually go and find the entity itself now we're not saying that bacteria cause cause disease they may be associated with it but that's where the two diverge so Anna what is it that they claim to have imaged using an electron

electron microscopes. What would you say electron microscopy is a fraudulent field as a whole? The xxomos, exosomes. Exosomes is what, yeah, I'm curious what they think about that. Yeah, I would not even say, I would not make any conclusions about what is being imaged. There's a major issue with electron microscopy, and that's, there is no gold standard. We can't validate it against living systems. So the nature of unlike a light microscope where you can take living tissue and look at it.

Like I said earlier, you can see bacterial cells and microbes. With electromagnoscopy, the nature of it is very different. So first you have to take the sample, you process it, you expose it to a number of different chemicals. You need to dehydrate it. You need to embed it in resin. you need to cut it incredibly thinly and then you need to put it under what they call an electron beam

some sort of energy beam and then that process generates an image now whether that represents living biology remains to be known because there's no way to check it but the images you see you just

when we are shown an image of what they say a virus looks like we would just say well it's just a vesicle if it exists, if it's not an artifact. What about like TMV? What about like tobacco mosaic virus, which is one of the earliest things, image? What would you say those images are? Because those are one of the few.

I know they're in plants, but they're one of the few things that they call a virus that we have seen. Do you have a thought? Yeah, totally. So that's an example of something where they can, most of the time they can't purify anything. That's the problem because they just have a biological suit. But sometimes with things like so-called tobacco mosaic virus, they can actually purify something, like these crystalline structures,

and people will say, well, there it is. That's what it is. The problem, again, is that what they image is not shown to have the properties of a virus, so it's not shown to be able to be replication competent, you know, end up in more copies of itself. It's not shown to be contagious. in terms of able to naturally pass from one tobacco plant to the other.

None of that has been shown. Instead, they have these bits and pieces of scientific literature, including those imaging studies where, yeah, we get sent those pictures and say, well, what's this? And we just say what it is. It's an electron microscopy image and just describe what the structure looks like. But then the biological function remains to be seen. You can't make that conclusion just to be.

by looking at those images. So that is the issue, is that if something has been purified, some sort of particles, there's still known experiment that shows those things are contagious and disease-causing. They might be related to disease. It might be something that the plant accumulates in response to a disease state. We're not denying that. But you have to remember that the definition of a virus is very specific,

and we've seen nothing that meets that definition. I do have a follow-on question from that, then. What would you say accounts for the transmission patterns that we do observe? That gets really to the heart of this, I think. Yeah, so coming back to Tobacco Mosaic Quote Virus, if you look at the original experiments, which we have done and had them translated into English, they couldn't demonstrate transmission.

what happened was that Ivanovsky and the other researchers in the 1890s they actually tried growing the plants in the same pot together and they took one disease plant and then put it in a pot with a normal plant and even when the roots were intertwined

and the leaves were touching they could not transmit anything so no transmission occurred what they thought they were observing was transmission in nature because one plant would become affected in a certain area and then quite a lot of plants in that area would also become affected. But they were under the same environmental conditions.

And Ivanovsky even admits as much in his conclusion. He talks about that the... Unfortunately, he introduces this word virus and says that the virus only seems to affect plants in certain areas under certain conditions. And you're like, well, what's the... What's the point of the virus? You don't need to enter that into the story.

It's what those of us would call terrain. We say it's the terrain. And yes, it's likely that plants in a certain area will have, you know, the same soil conditions, moisture conditions, temperature, humidity, exposure to chemicals, pollutions, etc. So, yeah, and the way that the, quote, transmission was achieved was that they took a disease plant and they extracted sacked from it and then they filled it a little and then they traumatized another plant and introduced the disease liquid into that plant and they said oh look

that makes the other plant sick but that's not natural that doesn't happen in nature it requires you have to traumatize the healthy plant and they also report in their studies you can read it that the more quote virus the plant got depended on how much damage you did to the plant mechanical damage like breaking its leaves and damaging its stalk, etc. So that's, um, this is where it's all been perverted and all, uh, so-called transmission studies you see in virology are not achieved through what they say are viral particles and they're not achieved through natural exposure.

They're using these artificial, uh, roots, which is, it's not valid because, yeah, it's, you take a biological mix of things and inject it into something else, obviously that can cause problems. It's nothing to do with contagion. Now, we, sorry, can I just really quick? I just want to get to that. Could you, we've had guests on who've said that there is this kind of liminal microbe that's connected somehow to snake venom that accounts for a lot of infection? I was a judge. I would strike that question. What do you, what's your opinion on, on the? that theory of infection?

Well, there's separate things. I mean, snake venom is a biological toxin and, you know, similar to bee venom. And the way it works is it needs to be injected into another organism. So, for instance, if, you know, we, even if we swallowed snake venom, it probably wouldn't do anything. But once it's injected into our bodies, it's incredibly toxic and can be. fatal, but that has nothing to do with microorganisms. That's a biochemical toxicity and poisoning. I mean, are you familiar with that theory that that COVID especially is the result of widespread

kind of? No, that falls apart because you'd have to, you still need to inject something. So it wouldn't matter if they had snake venom and they had hundreds of planes. I think the suspicion is that He's in the vaccines. Yeah, in the shots. That would be a waste of time because when, you know, bio-weapons are an interesting subject because we have so many videos that we made on this subject because they captivate people's attention and there's so many movies that Hollywood have put out about the stuff

and governments have spent millions, probably billions of dollars trying to develop them and they don't work. You look at all of their biological weapons programs and nothing. They're so ineffective because chemical weapons are 100,000 times more effective. Oh, that's so interesting. Oh, wow.

And way cheaper. So, yeah, we do... In some of Sam's presentations, she's contrasted the attempts to do biological warfare versus chemical. Chemical is so incredibly devastating. They have substances where if you get one drop on your skin, you're going to die. There's nothing that you can save you.

Of course all those movies like the rock and all that shit they want you. Yeah, of course they are. So beautiful. Biological, even if you had, you'd have, first of all, you'd have to have hundreds of millions of snakes to produce enough venom unless you could synthesize it another way. And then even if you had planes everywhere, dispersing it and putting it everywhere, it wouldn't do anything because it needs to be injected. to be toxic, but putting it in the COVID jabs,

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this video where, you know, these articles would come out and say, oh, they isolate the COVID virus. And so because he's like you, he knows what he's looking for. He'll read the article, look at their citations, go to the citation, study the actual research, and at the end, they always say, this does not prove Cox postulates. So I would like to ask you, because I can't remember the name, but I know there's Cox postulates and then later on they came up with something like Rivers Requirements have you heard something like that or what was the actual name where like 20 years later like okay we can't prove it with this Let's have another guy come up with something that sounds like it's the same thing but actually Makes it so much easier for them to prove that a virus exists do you do you know what that is?

Yeah, absolutely no we know this history extremely well and Cox postulates were scientifically formulated and are valid because they use a scientific method, they put together in a way where you can falsify the hypothesis. So there was nothing wrong with it. But the problem Koch had was that he couldn't demonstrate it for anything. And that's where the history books are wrong. He never showed that mycobacterium could cause tuberculosis. His experiments didn't work on that at all.

And the problem is that generally you find these microbes in healthy specimens as well as in sick ones. So that's a violation of the first postulate. So now that for the audience, we've looked at hundreds of these studies and we can say nothing has ever fulfilled Cox postulates. Now, if the study says that it has, it's through deception. So for instance, there's no valid control. That's a classic one with bacteria. But with virology, you've got a different problem. And yes, they realized that they were never going to fulfill Cox postulates for anything.

But to create a smoke screen with virology, in the 1930s, rivers introduced a new set of postulates, which was basically a bit looser than Cox postulates. But nobody fulfilled Rivers postulates either. And that's quite obvious in virology because they don't find virus. to begin with. So, and I don't know you have some of these things that have been out there for a century

and I don't know if I was the first one to articulate that around 2020 but I said that it wouldn't even matter having debates around Cox or Rivers postulates when it comes to viruses because you don't have the entity to start with and the assumption

of those postulates is that you have to start with the entity. So you have to find it in nature. which is what they do with bacteria and fungal cells. You can find them in nature and then you can run these tests. But when I got deeper into this and a lot of people in 2020 started questioning virology and the cell culture process and said that they're not isolating anything, they're not doing a physical isolation.

And we'd worked out that yes, there's no way they're not doing control experiments. and we were holding their feet to the fire, saying to the virologists, where are the control experiments or tell us about your control experiments and we'd write to them and they'd never get back or they'd show a supplementary material which didn't show a control experiment.

And then the more I thought about it, the more I thought, wait a minute, there's a fundamental problem with virology and that's that they cannot do a control experiment. That is the overriding problem. It's bigger than the isolation issue. And I wrote a paper called virology's event horizon to show that the whole thing is based in a logical fallacy because you never found the entity in nature to begin with.

So that's why I called it the event horizon. It's beyond possibilities of knowledge if we don't find the entity in nature. You can't, what it involves is what we call a reification fallacy, where you hypothesize something and then make it real just because you say it is and then you start doing some experiments as though you've already established it was real. The Emperor's New Clothes. That's basically what it is. The Emperor's new clothes. We all agree the Emperor's got great clothes on. So we all do it. Auburn, you want to say, I wanted to break this down for people real simple so that they can understand. So it's basically like what they would do in the wet lab is, I'll use me for an example.

they, you know, would take blood from someone that, you know, had suspicious symptoms. They mix it with chemicals and dies and potentially monkey kidney cells and antibiotics. And then they watch the blood express with these cytopatic effects. And then they say, oh, those cytopatic effects, that's caused from a virus. not let's take your blood, oh, here's the virus. Here it is all over the place because it's supposed to be duplicating and replicating. And that's what's going to kill me one day. No, they can't find a virus.

They have to mix my blood in a toxic soup. So then it expresses and then they say, that's it right there. A virus caused that. It's like convicting someone on circumstantial evidence. They're like, we don't have a gun or. the body, but here's all these other elements that basically say that this person is the murderer. So it's the same thing. It's so toxic and look at its reaction.

And by this thing that we say exists, this is what it would cause. So therefore, it's there. Yeah. And as it say, it's embedded in a complete logical fallacy and it's not a scientific thing. Because what, like what Autumn said, they're seeing effects. of a cellular breakdown. So that's the dependent variable in the experiment is the appearance of what they say are viruses.

But then they're claiming that's the independent variable. That's what they started with. You can't do that. You can't conflate the two and say that the dependent variable and the independent variable are the same thing. That's scientific nonsense. And that's why I pointed that out a few years ago

and said we don't even need to the cell culture experiment, we don't even need to look at what their result is. They can say whatever they want, whatever the virologist claim, we can just say it's a logical fallacy because those particles that are appearing cannot be the dependent and the

independent variable at the same time. The only way around this and this is what it comes back to for someone like Autumn and the diagnosis, is that they have to take her blood and just find the viruses. But we know that they can't do that. They tell

her, you have hep C, you've got this viral load, you know, which is nothing of the sort, but that's what they've been telling you. And these are the levels of viruses that you've got circulating in your bloodstream. But it's all based on this logical fallacy. They don't find the virus. Instead, what they do is just test her blood with antibody assays and PCR. Something I've wondered. Yeah, go ahead, please. I was just saying, can I say, guys that like you don't even have to have liver problems to be diagnosed with hepatitis C. Make that make sense. It's a liver, a blood-borne liver disease, but yet some people's liver is perfectly healthy and fine. So once again, it's like COVID

where they say, sorry to cut you off. It's like, yeah, it's the old, it's the old asymptomatic carrier. Yeah. Yeah. We got to watch out, guys. You have COVID. One of the symptoms of COVID is not having symptoms. And we have to watch out for people like autumn because not only is she asymptomatic and doesn't have these health problems, but she's probably a super spreader. She's probably spreading this. Autumn and the super spreader. You brought up symptoms.

My question was related to symptoms because there are some so-called viruses that cause incredibly unique symptoms. Like rabies, they say, causes what? Hydrophobia, right? people who literally become afraid of water. What, in your model, what would account for these unique, these really uncommon and specific symptoms like that? Yeah, so rabies is such an interesting one that my wife Sam put out a video called,

but what about rabies? Because that's the most, it's a comment that just kept appearing over and over and over and over again on our platforms. And so finally, we had to do this video to address rabies. Now, rabies is, yeah, totally fascinating because one is that the vast majority of times, like that you get bitten by a dog that's said to have rabies, you don't get sick at all. That's not a thing. So this narrative that we've been told that if a dog bites you and if it's salivating and stuff, you're probably going to die.

The reason that's so damaging is it's not a biological thing, scientific thing. it actually becomes a psychological thing, where people actually panic and think that they are going to die. So that's one thing. And the psychological expectations are absolutely enormous. Now, I don't know if you've heard of a book called Can You Catch a Cold, but the author, a friend of ours, Daniel Reuters, he writes showing, he exposes research,

which showed that if you give someone water or saline water and tell them that it's chemotherapy, like for cancer, their hair will fall out and they'll start vomiting, even though they're just been given water. That's how powerful it is, these expectations. So when you've got a narrative that if you get bitten by a dog, you're going to get rabies, some people do get incredibly sick.

The other thing is that rabies is so rare. You're more likely, obviously, to get hit by a car or struck by lightning or have any. of these other things happen to you. Like, for instance, in New Zealand's history, I don't even know, I think we checked it, there might have been one case attributed to rabies in New Zealand's entire history, and even in a country as big as the United States, it's so incredibly rare. Now, rabies is a clinical condition, and as we mentioned earlier on in this podcast,

we're not saying that people don't get sick. We're just saying that it is not a virus. And when it comes to rabies, we went back through the original studies, starting from Pasteur in the late 1800s onwards. And again, you've got the same issue. Not once do they show that it's an entity that is consistent with what is known as a virus. All they have is biological soaps, which they inject into the brains of other animals. And if the animal gets sick or has a seizure or gets paralyzed, they claim that that must be the virus when obviously there's no control experiment.

It's not a natural exposure route and it cannot possibly back up this viral hypothesis. So yeah, but what I would say is if people want to learn about the scientific details of rabies, then watch my wife Sam's video, but what about rabies? Because it addresses all of the ins and outs of that entire world. Well, I would not. She's got a great library of resources over there for anyone that wants to further educate themselves past this interview. Well, I ask, okay, so if it is psychosomatic in humans, what then of the symptoms of rabies and animals? No, I'm not saying it's always psychosomatic.

I'm just saying that people can get sick and manifest symptoms that they think they are going to manifest simply based on expectations. Right, but don't dogs show symptoms of hydrophobia? I'm just curious how your model would account for being afraid of water. Yep. No, to us that would be consistent. It's a case by case because when we say that, you know, the claim that rabies is a specific disease, if you actually look at the way it's classified, it's not, it can have all sorts of, you know, it's basically a bit of an umbrella term.

And the presentations can be very different. So it can't be anything from, you know, fever and. muscle aches and joint pains. But do you have a guess at what the pathology is of hydrophobia specifically, like that symptom? What could possibly cause such a thing? Yeah, yeah. Like we would say something like a biological toxin.

So, you know, like someone gets a snake bite, for instance, that can cause paralysis and death and all those sorts of things and tissue death, etc. So I would say that in some cases rabies is something similar. Like the animal has been poisoned. either by chemical poison, a man-made one, or through some sort of biological toxin, like it's eaten or been bitten by something,

and a biological toxin, like a venom, has been introduced. And if you, yeah, when Sam and I did the research into this, we found that there were biological toxins that have been found in nature. You know, you get things like poisonous fish and obviously snake venom, et cetera, and many of the symptoms that are put down to rabies could be secondary to such toxicity. That is fascinating, dude,

because it gets back to getting to poison almost. But so, you know, I'm in recovery. I've been sober for many years now. I would go to meetings. There were gay men there, and they would always talk about losing so many people to AIDS. They would talk about it all the time.

And, you know, over the years, we've had discussions on it. Autoimmune deficiency, I think that's very important when you talk about this, because it's basically talking, correct me if I'm wrong, that your white blood cell count is very low, and that could be part of what they're tagging you with. You know, I tell this story. I'd like to tell it to you. One day I wasn't feeling good. My daughter, my girlfriend, not my daughter, my girlfriend told me to go to the doctor.

And the doctors wanted to run blood tests on me. And I'm sitting in the room. I just gave blood. And the doctor comes in by my, and I'm all by myself. And he asked me if I'm straight or gay. And I took that as a compliment. That meant I was in good shape, right? But I found that question very interesting.

because I wonder what the test would come back if I'd answered gay. What would have happened at that moment if I would have said gay? Because I thought that was illegal to do that to ask me personal questions like that. But to me, that seems like, you know, you brought up that bio-weapons aren't really effective or they've never been able to create them. But part of me wonders if things like, you know, the COVID-shot and stuff. stuff like that could be seen as a bioweapon. And, you know, AZT is a cancer drug. But if you're kind of using it in a way to get people to take this cancer drug for the rest of their lives, like once people are done with cancer, they stop taking cancer drugs. But with AIDS, they were

just taking it for the rest of their life. And then they were just, it's almost like what we're seeing with OZEmpic right now, right? Like these people are on OZMPIC for too long. And then they're now starting to look like characters from a Tim Burton movie. And you're like, that does not look healthy at all. And so, you know, going back to Magic Johnson, Freddie Mercury was diagnosed right around the same time. So was EZE? What?

Easy E.E. Remember the rapper? So I feel like those three, two of them kept taking it, one of them stopped. Do you think that because, you know, it's like within the gay community, they're doing a lot of what they call poppers. they're doing intervenance drug use and I think that just destroys your immune system

and they would go in after a crazy weekend of just going you know cranking it up and they would come back and they'd be like oh yeah you're HIV positive and when in reality they had just gone through a crazy week of partying and they just got caught the wrong time so what are your thoughts on that either of you Yeah, I mean, absolutely. There's a lifestyle things. And, yeah, but we need to distinguish between, you know, biological toxins and chemical ones. And so obviously, drugs come under chemical toxins.

And most drugs, you know, petrochemical derivatives, and they're not designed to be in our body. And the first thing our body does is try to get rid of them, essentially. now your AZT is so toxic that, you know, it was horrendous what happened in the 1980s when they were giving people high doses of this stuff because it was making them incredibly sick. And when they went back to see the doctor, the doctor would just say, well, that's because the virus is, you know, destroying your system, basically. And, you know, we might need to up the dose or, you know, try putting you on a secondary medication as well. So, yeah, the medications themselves are incredibly toxic, and people start to conflate the manifestations with some fake virus, you know. The same thing happens in psychiatry to this day, where a lot of people who, you know,

they say, look at this person, they've clearly got lots of mental disorder going on. A lot of it is simply the side effects of the medications that they've been put on, slows down their thinking, causes them to have partial paralysis or excessive movements, all this kind of stuff. So, yeah, we'd be very careful about conflating, you know, the presentation with the actual drugs that the person's been put on. Coming back to your question about why they asked you whether you're gay or not, the issue here is that receptive anal sex is associated with HIV, assay positive.

And that's something which is significant because when it comes to HIV antibodies, we say that there's no HIV. There's no virus that's been shown to exist. But we're not saying that there might not be some significant issue with HIV positivity. Like a lot of people that have HIV positive antibody results do have underlying. sickness and they can be incredibly unwell. Some of them are not. Some of them are completely asymptomatic or they might just have another condition like we mentioned earlier, like pregnancy, say. So, yeah, we have to be careful about what we're talking about. But yeah, they know there are certain questions that they will ask like what your sexual practices are, whether you take

IV drugs, etc. Because some of them are associated with changes in your health outcomes. And, yeah, they're more likely to say that you have something based on lifestyle rather than the test necessarily or even whether they do these tests or not is based on the boxes that you tick, which indicate what kind of lifestyle you have. You know, that's the real problem that I will say that I have with this, with the allopathic medicine model in general, is because these floating germs and virus. they keep us from actually getting curious, like actually get curious about what's causing us to be sick. It takes away the need for stewardship and thinking back to what could have caused this. And instead, we just jump right into the palm of their hand and take a medication. For me, the best I can come up with is I might have been, I think they call it flocks, which is from an antibiotic back years prior to this diagnosis,

I had pneumonia and it was getting pretty bad. And so took a medication, later went back after this and looked it up. Sure enough, there's liver warnings on it. So that's the best I can come up with as my liver's had some trauma. And it's healing and I believe it will heal. And people need to hear that, that the body is made. need to heal. Yes. But taking medications, you know, health doesn't come in a prescription bottle. Yep, petroleum solutions. That's really what they were trying to do at that point. Petroleum

solutions. So if let's say the HIV virus doesn't exist and they're doing this trauma to their body parts, what are they testing positive for if you're saying there could be something there? Yeah, and that's that, that's an interesting question. What is that? Like, why? we have to distinguish too. It gets a little complicated because the test is in a lab and so it's outside of the body and what they are saying is that the test is reacting to a specific antibody.

Now whether that's true or not remains to be seen because some of our colleagues have done research into this and found a similar problem to the whole issue of viral existence is to say that there aren't these specific things in our body called antibodies at all. They know we're near as specific as what has been claimed. They're just generic classes.

They may have some consistencies, but we know that. It's like, you know, if we look at collagen inside my body and collagen inside your body is likely to be massive similarities that they're going to be based on the same models. But with antibodies,

they are more like a class of things rather than these absolute specific entities that they've claimed. So what is it? Well, I think the giveaway is that, as I mentioned earlier, antibodies are not a yes, no thing. They're set at a certain level. The assay has to be set at a certain concentration.

So that's why with certain tests, they do dilutions, basically, because otherwise every single person they tested would be positive. So what I'm saying is that was something like HIV. We will all test positive or not positive, depending on what the dilution has said at. So that gives away a clue that these things cannot be specific to some virus, you know, because anyone has the presence of them. What they are, well, hey, I would say if we look at something like HIV positivity and we say what does seem to be associated with things like IV drug,

use, liver damage, kidney failure, general wasting syndromes, malnutrition, etc. The best we can say is that it's related to some sort of inflammatory response, that these proteins are increasing in our system as a response to inflammation and they may be part of a healing mechanism. And perhaps these things can persist for years afterwards as the body tries to. complete its healing process or otherwise the inflammation is still going and maybe that's why they

remain positive but the key I wouldn't get to focus on most antibodies because the research we've done and this is outside of HIV but into all of these other antibodies that we've locked at whether it's

you know Epstein Bar or so called alpha gal syndrome or Lyme disease is one of the big ones that they're into now. All of these antibody assays they do have such poor correlation to the condition of the person that you're wasting your time. It's like Lyme disease is a classic example. The vast majority of people that have so-called positive Lyme disease antibodies don't have any symptoms. They're completely well. And this is really common in the

antibody research. So hold on because, you know, we've done many shows on Lyme disease, the whole story of the government putting them in ticks and spreading it. What are your thoughts on all that? Yeah, so Lyme disease is not a, it's not a diagnosis because if you look up what the symptoms are, they're anything. So, you know, they could be just fever and lethargy. It could be joint aches, could be certain rashes, but none of these are specific entities. So again, it's just this generic kind of term. So instead, what they've got is these antibody tests, which they say that's how you diagnose Lyme disease.

The antibody tests are so farcical when you look at the scientific papers that they're not diagnostic and tell you anything. So what it comes back to is you just say, well, what is the problem that the person has? do they have a fever or do they have low energy or do they have a rash or what is the particular problem? But I would say firstly that Lyme disease is not a specific disease and you should never ever label anyone with that. That's it's really problematic in terms of what happens next for that person. And I'd also challenge them to say what is the diagnostic criteria here anyway?

because we looked at the original papers from the 1970s. And I think they took 32 people that they said had Lyme disease. They said the doctors agreed these people have Lyme disease. You know how many out of the 32 that they found the Borrelia bacteria in? Two out of 32. So 30 out of 32, they didn't find the bacteria in. bacteria in. But then they said that the Borrelia are the cause of the Lyme disease and that they got into the body through a tick bite. But that's, again, it's completely collapses the entire

narrative that doesn't make sense. We're in a testing epidemic. Like people have symptoms. You get your symptoms grouped together. The doctor gives you a test. The test sends you to the medication with a diagnosis. I mean, and here's, here's something else. fascinating. In New Zealand we have the biting insects here as well and creepy crawlies, you know, mosquitoes and various things. But we're not allowed to make that diagnosis here. You're not allowed to have Lyme disease in New Zealand because they say we don't have it. So it's the same with malaria. We have exactly the same mosquitoes here and that everywhere. But we're not allowed to make that diagnosis because we're not in the right area apparently.

So, yeah, Lyme disease is completely farcical. What? Yeah, we have presentations on this, and it's really sad to see how they invented a condition out of thin air and then brought in the whole bioweapon narrative, you know, that that's how it got into Lyme, Connecticut, was from their offshore island where they were doing these experiments. Yeah, we've done all the research into that,

looked at every single paper that came out of there. and that's not a specific disease. So, so if, you know, the whole thing now is, it's dementia, that people either get Parkinson's or dementia from Lyme disease. You're saying that's totally separate. No, there are the reasons we're getting that. And one massive problem is aluminium poisoning. And that's largely through vaccines,

which contain huge amounts of aluminium, unfortunately. And yeah, there's this big elephant in the room now where we have all of these neurodegenerative issues, Parkinson's, dementia, and so forth. And the medical establishment scratching its head going, or we don't know why this is, or they make up stories about genetics or vascular disease, etc. When people are being poisoned, basically. And Professor Chris Exley in the UK, he was doing excellent research into this. area until he mentioned vaccines and they stripped all of his funding from him and basically exiled him from his university. So, yeah, the, the Alaminium industry is, it's a fascinating one and they're doing everything they can to, to protect it. So yeah, I mean, that's not the only reason. People get

neurodegenerative problems, but it's, it's one of the bigies. Wow. Wow. That's incredible. that's incredible i mean it's just like it's just every everything is a sciop dude it's just everything's a so uh-aburn if autumn excuse me um may i ask do you have children i do okay so what i find interesting is that both of you are part of groups that are very passionate about vaccines very passionate i deal with it in my own life with my children. Very passionate. And it's what I call this agent. I didn't make it up,

but it's called Agent Smith effect, where somebody is just, you're having a conversation with them, and all of a sudden you introduce them to some data that they don't like, and you become Agent Smith from the Matrix, and it becomes very nasty, very quickly, and they start calling you all these names and stuff like that.

Um, Auburn. What was that like, Autumn? Why do I keep calling you Auburn? Sorry about that. That's a new one. I got to say most of the time I'm called the Amber. I'm a little slow. I'm sorry about that, Autumn. No, you're all good. But why, what was your experience with that as you talked to other mothers, friends and stuff like that? What was the reception you got? Well, my kids are older now. So a lot of these conversations happened years ago. They're like 14 and almost 18 now, but I was in a, what you could call like the crunchy moms group. So I had quite a few friends that were kind of already on the same page. But I actually played a role in helping wake up some of my friends and some family. My mom and I are actually fairly outspoken about this subject.

And so, yeah, I actually, you know, I had people willing to look at the, look at the information. that was obviously at the time when I believed in viruses. So I can see now how much more sinister this whole agenda is, is that when there's no virus and we're vaccinating for, I used to think at least, well, okay, you know, even though they don't really work, like maybe a small percentage, right? And it's like, no, there's no viruses. So, I mean, gosh, we're just literally injecting poisons.

But yeah, I was able to help wake some people up, thankfully, and some of them are still awake today and have chosen to, you know, to decline. But, yeah, at times it brings about interesting conversations. And, you know, I love to have this topic on the podcast as well. So, yeah, I believe that we need to be vocal about it. And sometimes people are receptive and sometimes they're not. Going back to, you know, the effects, I have a daughter who's autistic.

I don't want to get too much into any of that. But, you know, when we bring up the correlation between possibly between vaccines and autism, which is a very hot topic right now. And, you know, in California, I think it's one in four now. It's like one in five. It's like an insane number. And what I find very interesting is if I go to you, hey, man, if you go to this kids park, there's a one in five chance your child could get kidnapped.

No one would go to that park. No one would ever go to that park. But if I go, hey man, you got one five chances. This could affect your child's life. Forever. Forever. Even though they're making great, great strides in that with different medications. Why do you think, as a mom, why do you think other mothers, Autumn, are so resistant to just hearing the other side of the

discussion. I think a lot of it probably boils down to fear, mostly, and then obviously ignorance. And some people just aren't willing to challenge the medical monopoly in the system. You know, they believe it. They need it. It's a crutch. It's too scary to look elsewhere. It's too scary to go off on your own.

If you deny medicine, what left, what do you have left? You know, how am I supposed to combat these illnesses and disease? What more am I supposed to do? I found in some of the conversations that it's a background of fear there that's actually running the show. And so, you know, I came from a place where I educated myself and I am adamant about learning. learning to steward and take charge of my health and my children's health. And I've just come to realize some people just don't have that, that they don't have that either desire or they don't have that confidence or they just haven't been exposed because I have met some that once they were

exposed to the education or they finally crossed over and watched a video or listened to a lecture and they finally saw and understood a little bit, then they felt a bit more empowered. So some people, I think they just stay in the dark on purpose and they don't want to see it. And yeah, and so I don't know, that's my thoughts on that. It's so interesting because it sounds like both you and your wife, Mark, did your own research.

And it's very interesting. me that I just got a giant argument with a guy that I love at the comedy club I play at, and he just kept yelling at me, you do your own research. Yeah, yeah, you're one of those guys who do their own research. And I'm like, yeah, that's a good thing, dude. Jimmy Dorr's joke is it's called reading. That's what we did for hundreds of years, if not thousands. We read to learn.

And now you're just accepting people in this of authority who are making money, off you. Yeah, another way to say that would have been, you don't believe everything you're told. Yeah, 100%. It's very interesting. I mean, you're very brave for that, Autumn. Mark, you were in the medical profession or you had stepped away. Your wife was in it on it. What was the feedback from your, the other doctors, you know? Was there, I mean, obviously you said she became the most hated, but even like on a personal friendship level where there's people that really were like, hey, dude, get away with, get away from me with that misinformation. Yeah, well, she was ejected incredibly quickly from the profession.

And all of her old friends no longer spoke to her because what became apparent to with the conversation she had when she first started speaking out was that some of her colleagues and friends were worried that they would lose their jobs based on what Sam was saying, essentially, you know, going after these big farmer narratives, etc. And some of them were in positions where big farmer was funding their medical centers, etc. So, yeah, it was not well accepted by the medical colleagues at all. And we basically have no doctor friends.

left, you know, in terms of doctors who are still in the system, it's almost like if they have a medical license, there's not a compatibility that we can even have a conversation with them because they don't want to talk about this stuff. And I've made attempts. I ran into a doctor once in the street that I used to work with, tried to get a basic conversation going with him. This was in the middle of the COVID fraud. He literally said, I'm not going to talk about any of this, change the subject. and I said this is the most important thing going on and he just stormed off.

He didn't want to know. So, yeah, but I think for us, it was such a great decision to get out of that world and do our own research because subsequently the health of our family was vastly improved and we were able to take that knowledge

and give it back to the world, basically, and say here's how to do things without the Medico Pharma system. And here's a whole lot of narratives that are incorrect, and we'll show you why. The final question that I want to ask you guys is, you know, the PCR test is connected to so many different things. We've had people come on here talking about,

and I don't want to get into whether he's right or wrong, but connected to the DNA test and stuff like that. Sometimes I think that the guy who invented the PCR test, somewhat got a Nobel Peace Prize for giving them kind of a tool for them to be able to push a narrative. I'm not saying that he's a bad guy. I do feel because when COVID's coming out, his videos were everywhere, that he seemed tormented at the end. Every interview he did, he always had his head down. He was playing with his hair. And he seemed tormented at the end. what are your thoughts on the PCR test?

We've had people come on and you can look for everything you want, but like is there kind of like something kind of dangerous and evil about it that it's allowed them to basically diagnose the entire world for whatever they want? Yeah, and, you know, Carrie Mullis did become really tortured by his own invention. And he made it clear from the start that, It was not a diagnostic tool. It was not able to give information about the health status of a human. And he said, look, it's a useful research tool.

And he said exactly what it was, which was a molecular amplification technique. You know, it was a technique of taking tiny amounts of genetic material, which is often what we deal with in biological substances. You know, we have, often we have lots of. proteins and liquids and things, but tiny little amounts of DNA. And Carrie Mullis worked out a way to amplify it up so we could really detect it in these tiny little samples. But he was clear that it was not something that was going to be used in clinical medicine. He never saw that application or if he did and, you know, some people will say, well, he issued various patents and stuff he applied for.

I think he quickly realized the folly of going down those routes. And that's why when he was asked to write something about HIV, he became suspicious because he asked where the paper was, the scientific publication that showed that HIV existed. And nobody could show it to him. They just said, oh, it's been established in the body of literature. And he said, well, that's not how science was. works, there must be an original paper where they isolated the virus and showed that it existed,

but they didn't. So he became an HIV skeptic after that because he could see it wasn't scientific. So, and Mullis was clear that the technique cannot be misused, but it can only be misinterpreted. So what he meant was that it does what it does. It will do a repetitious process of creating more. DNA. That's what it will do. And whether it's specific or not, I don't know. It's hard to make comments on that at a molecular level, but as I say, Mullis didn't say

it was a diagnostic tool. So I think that's how it's been misinterpreted. You could argue that it's been misused because it's been deliberately used in this way. But, yeah, in the scientific literature, when you read a virology paper, you can definitely see it's being misinterpreted. So, for instance, Autumn will be told that her viral load

of hepatitis C is, and then they give a figure. Now, all they're doing is taking her blood and performing PCR on it and they're amplifying certain sequences. In her case, it's RNA,

which they're converting to do a DNA amplification because they say that hepatitis C is an RNA virus. So they're looking at an RNA level of a short sequence that appears in her blood, and then they're saying to her, that's your viral load, when in fact it's nothing in the sort. It's just a particular concentration of RNA in the blood at that time.

And if we had Carrie Mullis here, he would say that's exactly what it is. He would say nothing about whether that showed the existence of a virus or anything about whether Autumn had a disease or not. And it goes up and down all the time. You know, I tracked it quite consistently in the first couple years. And I had a doctor in the beginning, a gastroenterologist, say, oh, well, it's, you know, right at this level. So you've probably had this for about two to three years.

And I'm thinking, okay, what happened two to three years ago? And then I don't think anything is anybody's ever done what I've done because I actually, you know, obviously didn't take the medication. And I headed in the opposite direction of into the holistic alternative world to see what I could accomplish. And during those first couple years, I was taking my blood a lot. And I was watching it go up and down all the time, sometimes much higher than what he said, and then watching it drop much lower. So it was all over the place.

So I think he's unfortunately completely unaware of, what that test does to your numbers. So my final question is, let's say someone has a, someone's being diagnosed with HIV, they're taking the medication for a long time, and then they decide to stop. Is that a death sentence in your humble opinion? It depends on the particulars of the case, and it can be problematic because the medications that they take are not antiviral because they're not

acting against any virus, but they are anti-metabolites. So they do suppress normal cellular function. The problem with that interpretation of what happens is that say they are

unwell and have an inflammatory response going on, the medications suppress the cells and therefore it appears to be effective. because the inflammation then reduces and the person may say that they feel better in that case

and when it's nothing of the sort. Now, that's the same problem coming back to say what they told Autumn her viral load was. If they gave her the course of medications at a cost of $80,000, they would then probably say months down the track that she had, quote,

zero converted and they'd say she got better because they'd repeat the PCR and say, look, we can't even detect the virus anymore. When all that done is suppress all of her liver cells, so the cells are not functioning like they normally do, and the RNA levels are suppressed along with a whole lot of other stuff, and then they say, hey, presto, we made you better. So, yeah, you have to be very careful about the particulars of the situation, and someone

who's been on HIV medication for a long time may report that, that they feel worse when they come off it. And don't forget, too, it often comes back to the psychological expectations. So the people of witness who do the best who are given the so-called HIV diagnosis are the ones who are instantly skeptical, basically don't start the medications, and then 20 years later, they're absolutely full. fine because they do everything else to improve their health, but they don't take pharmaceuticals, versus the person that still buys into this model, the virus model, starts

taking the medications, comes off the medications, goes back to the doctor, has a blood test, and the doctor says, whoa, your viral load, it's through the roof, you know, and that's based on the PCR test and the fallacies of that we've just talked about. And that person then Thanks. Oh my goodness, big mistake. I should never have stopped the medications. The virus is now going to kill me. I have one more question. I can't remember it now. It was in my head. Okay. This has been an excellent, excellent episode. Wow. Excellent, excellent episode. Damn. One more time, Autumn, can you tell us one more time where our listeners can find you?

Absolutely. Autumnmocles.com podcast is no better. better and on social media platforms at autumn.m. McLeese. Excellent. Dr. Mark, can you tell us where we can find you and also tell us where your wife's YouTube channel is so we can all go check that out as well. Yeah, well, interestingly, the YouTube channel, we've been able to upload videos again recently five years, five years after they were banned. So it's, yeah, something's changed, but obviously they're moving to new narratives now and aren't so worried. But it's best if people come to

Dr.sambeili.com. That's where we have all of the information, the videos, the essays, the stuff for free downloads, etc. Use the search function. You can check any topic whether it's measles, chicken pox, HIV.

We've covered all of the stuff. But yep, she has the YouTube channel which has been heavily suppressed in the past, a substack as well. But as I say, it's safest to go to Dr.Sanbailey.com because it's the only place we can guarantee it's not censored and you will get the original content. Okay. I remember what it is. Did you find it weird that when they said they, right when everyone was going to start taking the COVID shot, that they said they cured HIV or AIDS or whichever it was, and then there wasn't a giant celebration.

Like, I thought that would be one of the biggest medical breakthroughs of all time. And it just seemed like everyone just moved on. One thing we've come to realize is that whatever is appearing in the corporate media is part of their overall staging, part of their overall advertising, etc. And, yeah, it's whenever you see something, you have to wonder why it's appearing. So, yeah, it was interesting. And a whole lot of stuff has gone on in the last six years in terms of so-called press releases and everything. But no, it's all highly staged. And unfortunately, it's not a good place to go for information as people may have established the corporate media.

All right. I just want to say both of you, thank you for coming on. Dr. I know that you're in New Zealand. so I'm sure it's like crazy time in the morning for you. So I appreciate both you guys coming on the show and joining us. And it was an all-time banger. So thank you guys very much. Don't leave.

Let's just break down the episode. All right, guys. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Great show. What did you guys think? What did you guys think? Dr. Mark. It was weird being next to you all while you're hard.

Well, I think you were stoked. That's very weird because we had a woman. on the show. Why is it weird now? Well, because she was... I've always wanted to talk to a Jew-athlon guy. That was definitely weird. He got a little uncomfortable there.

I was like, it's just a joke. We're in America. I wasn't even... That's what it sounded like. No, we all looked at each other. And I know if I didn't ask, people would be like, why didn't you ask him about the Jewel? Why did you have a Juathlon guy?

Yeah, why are you asking about a Jew-athlon guy? You know, guys, no, this is one of my favorite subjects. that guy is great. He might be the best person on that. But this might be the Michael Jordan of this discussion. I think so, yeah. I'd love to talk to his wife. His wife sounds like she's just an assassin.

Is there a reason you find this to be? Because it's definitely your favorite topic. Every team we have a terrain. Is it because you were kind of on top of it? Because it's literally like, look at how fucking stupid we are that we believe in viruses. Why is it your favorite? because it really is. Like, every time we have it, you're like about it.

Okay, I'll tell you why. Because I'm dumb and I don't know any of the scientific part of it. So when I get people on who know all of it, it gets me excited. You know, I just did a show in Tampa Bay. And it was great. It was a lot of fun. You know, but I said I didn't believe in viruses. And he was like, he kind of gave me a.

Who? Who's he here? What was it? Jack, Dor. I did a show, yeah. Jack Dorsey? Hold on. No, I got it wrong.

Shut up, Johnny. Thanks for fucking. We were excited. It was Ken Dorsey. What? It was Ken Dorsey, Miami quarterback. No, it wasn't Ken Dorsey, Miami quarterback, you piece of shit. It was Danny Jones.

Sorry, Danny. My apology. Completely different. And by the way, real quick. That's a big show. Danny Jones is an excellent, excellent interviewer. Is that out yet? It was supposed to be out this week.

It hasn't come out yet. So, I mean, we'll see why. How nice is his actual studio? Bro. You see on TV, it already looks. I'm like, where is this full recording out of? How nice is his actual? Well, he's on a set, like a proper set, right?

No, it's like, it's kind of like he has like a big building. And just like Joe Rogan's thing, his studio is like the smallest part of the building. Because I saw a picture of you guys together. It's an office within like, I don't know how to. It's not warehouse. It's just a, it's like somewhere where you'd see like a teacher. It's kind of like when they did ninjas are butterflies, right? They have this big building and this small room for their podcast.

Same thing. Those Florida boys are crushing it, dude. We could be in Florida, guys, and we could all have our own studio there. And we could all record. State in context. We could all record the same podcast from our own rooms. That'd be fucking amazing. We wouldn't even have to be near each other.

We could be like a band that hates each other and don't want to. They're all playing separate. parts of the stage, we'd never have to see each other. Even though I love you guys, right? It would be like, you go into your studio, I'm going in mine. Guys, welcome up. What's up? Giant, what's up? That's what Stern does now, dude. He's on like, you know, fiber or whatever, connected to everybody else. So it's instant, you know, you instantly, you don't have to worry about

stepping on people. But, and the quality's pristine. But he does it from home, right? Yeah, yeah. He doesn't like to talk about it. But yeah. Of course he does. It seems like that. Yeah. And he's just staring at a screen. he must be yeah must be there's no way he's inviting people to his house no no no no no the guest no no no do you think he makes love in the hazmat suit like he's so germ i feel bad for him he's so germophobic him howie mandel he's like got mental illness during i think yeah yeah that's why i didn't get mad

of him during covid even though other stuff he was saying was fully stupid i didn't get mad because i knew he like when i was in his studio he just would freeze out he's so disappointed pointing, yeah, like, as far on, on, like, the way he's just started sucking celebrity dick, I mean, it's like, damn, because I defended him against the opening, because I loved opening, because I loved opening, too, but I always kind of was like, no, Stern's okay, but man. Well, you know, it's like most of your, your, your, your liberal comics in the 90s, they're, they're, they're, they're, the inability, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your

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I'm going to talk to him about it. Yeah, that makes sense. Sure. Okay. Prometheus, if you're looking for off. So did you see that guy? So you know, everyone's going into different welfare states. Yeah. Like all these welfare scams. This guy went into somewhere in Jersey with a Orthodox Jews, found out there running

scams. He got all of his shit shut down. He lost his Patreon, all this shit. Oh, shit. Wasn't fucking decentralized. I told him to go check out Prometheus. You told him? Yeah, but I don't know if he got it because he has his new website up.

Brain Supreme. On or off. On. This week's on, baby. I love it. I love On XG. Great job Snowboarding. You're getting good at it. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I'm trying. You see, these knees aren't that bad. I know. I'm very impressed. I know what you think about my hockey jersey. I heard Johnny wasn't appreciative of me. Why? This is the only Mexican guy with a black hawkers. Dude, if I'm going to wear a hockey jersey. He doesn't even know what that team is. He just gets cheap jerseys. What city do they play? Chicago. Okay. Yeah. That's fine, dude. You know, he just gets free jerseys. solid, easy. What a great time to wear them, though, when literally America was America Bicana, people wouldn't stop talking to me about it.

I knew. A lot of snow up there. I felt. Wait, wait, so people were just bringing up the hockey thing. People kept talking to me like I fucking knew. I was like, what a word? That's so funny. You think I'm, I know hockey and I'm American.

You should have just been like, no complaint. Dude, I'm just housekeeping on the hill. That's all I'm doing. Do you need new sheets or towels? New sheets and towels? State of the Union. What did you guys think? Long. It was a long.

Dude ran the light for sure. Didn't see it. Trump just ran the fuck. He pulled a Ralphie Mae and just kept going. You know, I mean, obviously good for him. He could keep going. But at his age, do you think you could talk for that long? I think he's a unicorn, dude.

He's a robust human. He's an interesting guy, dude. I don't like everything he's doing. There's a lot of stuff I have problems with. But, man, that guy is very interesting. interesting. He's unique as shit. You can hate him. That's fine, but he is unique, dude. You know, there's nobody like him to be 80 and just be able to talk for two hours. I'm telling you who's getting fired, though, his hair lady. Oh, yeah. That thing was out there. Dude, that chick is gone. Sorry,

gay guy. We tried to do DEI. Look at my fucking hair. Do you think he's like that all day, like at the house, or do you think it's the second he kind of walks on stage and then he feels the people? Cornishane Gillis, he's always like that. Like he's always like bombast. That's even more impressive. That's even more impressive. That's just him being him, dude. On all of that.

But you know, like that Somalian lady in the audience yelling at him, you kill Americans. It's just, we've gone away from civility, dude. It's, we deserve better theater actors. Yes. There's no civility anymore. You know what that's going to do that? Going to fuck stand up up because people are like, if Omar can do it, I can do it too and just go start yelling at people.

We're already getting out control of these live streamers. Have you been seeing them? They're bugging people now. Oh, yeah. That's their, they've been doing that. They need to stop that. What do you mean by that?

Bugging people. Like the streamers. You'll be sitting down eating by yourself and they'll get in your face and try to make you uncomfortable. Yeah, that's how you get shot. Yeah. Stabbed. We've seen it.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like time to go, faggot. I hate it. I mean, it's these Gen Z fucks, too, that don't have like social. cues. And they don't, they've never been hit. They don't get spanked anymore. They don't know what pain is. Well, and another

thing is you can't, back then you used to be able to hit someone and there was no recording. So you got away with it. Like you might get a salt, but now everything is important. You can't really hit someone anymore at all because it's lit. Not if he's harassing you. Everyone cheers on the people punching them. Yeah, but still harassment, still you're not allowed.

What it is is untalented people trying to fucking get clout. They have nothing else to do. It's the same thing with these trolls on comedians stand-up. Most of them are failed stand-ups. So they just start going after what they dreamed of. I don't understand that impulse, right? Like, why would you, why wouldn't, I don't know.

Why would you want to? Because you're so angry that you can't, that you're not allowed to do the thing you dreamed of doing. Sad. Yeah. And there's just so many just angry people hate their life that they love blood. So they just love that. And then you just have to get darker and darker. and then you're in some fucking deep, dark, empty,

fucking segment of the internet. It's called the YouTube comment section, yeah. That's where you could find this idiot right here that you watch. He's one of them. He just got slapped by because he just trolling. Do you got to be an idiot to fucking press that guy's wife? These are animals. Yeah, it's Larry, whatever, Larry Wheels or whatever.

He can't say animals about black people. They get you. They don't like that. Yeah, he can say he's. Oh, yeah, that's right. No, you got, yeah. Yeah, I got a little bit leeway. You know?

I got Tourette's, dude. My bad. Yeah, there you go. Trette's going to get slapped the shit out of. But honestly, isn't that the best case scenario for him? Like, is a streamer now? Yeah, but now that says, he's going to get punched all the time. That's going to be his thing.

Maybe that's his thing. He gets punched in the face. I'm the guy that gets open hand slapped by better men than I am. You know? And Rampage. Talk about trying to live a 20-year-old's life in your 50s. Right. Wait, that wasn't, that was, that wasn't, that was, that wasn't

No, the guy they hit him, but the guy's party, I think it was rampant. He got hit twice at the same party. Do you think you would have done any of this clout shit, young Sam, 20-year-old, Tripoli? That's not me, dude. Yeah? I remember when I was young and I was at UNOV and my friend Heath. There are some fucking Europeans there, and I started talking to them in a European accent. And he's like, you sound like a fucking asshole.

Quit that shit. I'm like, oh, sorry, dude. I didn't know. That's a good friend. Yeah. That's a good friend. Yeah. Truly, you need that.

Like as a young person. Listen, on stage, I talk a lot of shit. Offstage, I just want to be chill. You couldn't have seen yourself doing that man on the street shit. They're like, one of the people. Do you guys, you remember, man? You remember Street Smarts, the show? No.

What was it called street smarts or the man? Were they just interviewed people, man on the street style? The first person I remember doing that was Tom Green. I know people did it before that. There was a show. Jaywalking was like that. There was a show where you, interview people on the show.

They offer me to be the guy to interview in the... On TV or a website? Yeah, and I turned it down. Smart. That was really smart. I just, I was an idiot back then. What was your thinking at the time? I could do better.

What'd you end up doing? Why World of Spike? That was good. Yeah, that was great. That was a real show. It's Johnny, here's the thing about me on television. Every time I do it, every time I did it, I got great ratings.

I killed it. and then the show got canceled. The industry hates me. They hated me since the beginning. Well, you're not the kind of person that suits like at all. Yeah. You're kind of a chaos. You got that chaos energy that we were talking about with what Milo or something.

And they don't like that. They don't like that. They like to control you. In fact, that's a good example, really, of Milo. Like, we were talking about him in the context. Right. But he goes for blood. The same context we were talking about.

Yeah, he goes for blood. I like Milo. I do too. I would love to have him on debate because it would be so funny He's very funny He's so funny Like on a different topic

You guys watch Tucker With that Israel guy With your name? I pulled a bunch of clips For Dude For BS Huckabee looks like an idiot dude

Oh I didn't expect Tucker To actually like push him What do you guys think about Tucker He's been He's I have a real To me he seems like

He's a genuine truth seeker now And Well he was a Cabala wrist, you know, like... But Johnny, Johnny, let's say this. What if Israel wants everybody to hate him, which is a notion out there? Does he kind of fit into that? Yeah, I suppose.

You know? And he's saying things that most people get de-platform for. Like this guy talking about all these Jews in New Jersey being on welfare. You know? I mean, like, he gets deep platform. Why is he not serving that same? The guy who I'm still, I'm not going to say I trust him, but that guy leading the Republican candidates for Florida governor.

Yeah. Yeah, I can't remember what's his name. Like he, Fishburn or Fishbourne or something like that, he two years ago was defending Israel. So, I mean, people learn and they changed like Dana did. Dana was very much critical of Israel, but she was, she thought everything was anti-Sembourg. So, so I forget what the show was.

I forget what, we were watching something and they sat in, oh, oh, it was a, it was something to do with one of the prisoners on hijack. And they sat in guards and one of the guards, like he's a volatile prisoner. And they sent two guards and one of them was a female guard. I'm like, why would you send a female guard? and she goes, you're so sexist. You're such a misogynist. You know that, right? I go, yeah, I know that.

She goes, that's not good. I go, it's great, actually. It's a great thing. So I lose every wild of female list. Yeah, the state of the union was like, you know, it's just it's... I didn't see it. What do you have to say about Iran? I didn't watch a lot of it.

I just watched clips, you know. When were we talking about it? how he was like, yeah, I think we're going out over this weekend. I'm like, when do we give a schedule for war? Like, it's almost like you're, I think they tell each other so they, the important people can hide and everybody else gets slaughtered. I mean, there was a time when that was part of like chivalry or whatever, you know, was the kind of like, but that, you know, modern warfare is supposed to be,

that's supposed to be antithetical to everything about modern warfare. Like you said, telegraph against like that's like it's, we're coming now. hide in your bunkers. I don't know, dude. Now they got this poll. Trump is polling the low-saw any president ever. I like, I saw that.

Maybe, maybe, but who are you interviewing? Are you interviewing people at the Minneapolis riots? Is that who you're interviewing? Because it's definitely not the Democrats. Yeah, it was the CNN twink. I saw talking about it. And he was like, they love twinks, huh? Oh, boy, do they just love to.

I wonder how many of our, uh, our figure skating guys just got thrown off because they got trauma the night before in the Olympic Village. They just got lit up and they just couldn't land it right

because they were so... Okay. They had a lot of con... They'd used... I mean, at least they were using protection. They ran out of condoms. They ran out of condoms? They put a story

about how they're running out condoms and they had this one female figure skater going, the Olympic Village is so much fun. It's just such a great time. I'm having the time of my life. They're like, well, we know who he's

up all the con. If you're like a fit 23-year-old guy, that's where you want to be. Oh my God, why wouldn't you, dude? You had the best athletes in the world boning, like the amount of piston action going on there. We could get a real, a real... Everybody's tired the next day for their event.

That's why everybody's crap. That's why all the figure skaters kept falling because they were just getting rocked the night before and they're tired. The Chinese learning some new moves, you know, because they only got this communist figure skaters are literally like fucking robots

dude who's a head who's leading America right over America took it with most gold no I think Norway had the most which is crazy because we always dominated and we're not dominating like we used to because we're fat now let's see yeah Norway dominated

with a record 41 total metals the US was second with 33 medals they had Norway had 18 gold we had 12 gold 12 silver 9 bronze Italy, the host nation was... Who had the worst Olympics, do you think? Mexico.

The worst Olympics? Yeah, I mean, outside of Israel, who got zero goals? They literally got disqualified for lying. I'm trying to... Hold on, sorry, I'm trying to look and see. That's not even a question you can really ask. I'll tell you who was Canada. Canada had the worst Olympics, even if they won a bunch of shit.

They lost hockey. Yeah. Even though they played better. Male and female. And male and female. And they got busted cheating in curling, which is my favorite sport. That guy here. They actually pissed off a Canadian.

You know, you know he must have been cheating. How do you cheat in curling? You can't touch it after it goes over the line. So you release it and then you kind of go bink and you give it more power. You're not allowed to touch the stone after it goes over the line. Let's see. I don't know why that. I don't know why that sport is in televised more.

Because everyone loves it. I love it. Like, if it's summer and there's just nothing but baseball on, you're not baseball person. It actually is on TV, by the way. Sometimes nobody gives a shit, though, in non-Olympics. Like, I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it on TV. I was about to say this.

It's like soccer during the World Cup. You guys only like that shit during the World Cup. Just like you guys only like curling during the Winter Olympics. Other than that, no one gives a fuck. Well, the problem with American soccer is just not as good as the Euro Soccer. and just well mLS is not as good only because they have a salary cap they they have a structure where the league owns the teams technically the owners don't own the teams and it's because in the 90s they had these owners that were spending like crazy and then other clubs that were just going out of business so they had to develop a system to make it sustainable and it has worked it's sustained and been successful so do you think the biggest problem they have is apple tv well they changed it now so that the games will be you don't have to pay. So it's different now. But yeah, that's part of it. Yeah, that was a bad deal.

But I think... It's a bad deal because it hit the money. I mean, David Tepper, the guy who owns the Charlotte team, has $12 billion in the bank. He could pay and have all the best guys at the end of their career come play in the United States, but they won't let him. You only get three players that aren't subject to the salary cap to simplify it. It's called designated players and MLS. And those three guys, you can pay whatever you want, basically. and then the rest of the team.

And you have to have a certain number of Americans. You have international stocks. We're Chinese basketball? Yeah, exactly. No, yeah, that's right. Yeah. And it's because it's the league, the original mission of the league was to develop players for the World Cup.

For the American pool. Yeah, for the World Cup. But Mexico does the same thing because they make you. I actually think that makes the game worse because it makes them not try enough because you know you're guaranteed in there because you need Americans. In Europe, they don't have no. You don't, we don't think they should have that. It's whoever's the better.

American should get good enough to play. I don't think American will go, where the fuck are the Americans? Like, they're like, oh, is my team winning? That's all I want to see. Okay. Guys, enjoy the highlights. Here's a clip from the latest broken sim. Dude, did you, so Lindsey Graham is so lucky because this quote was, this would have been everywhere

if it wasn't for just the shit hitting the fan colossally around the world. Did you hear this quote that he gave out? I mean, it's just a stunning. Lapsed in every time this guy opens his mouth, the purse comes out of it. Listen to him. He's so gay. Yeah, we talked about that. Yeah, we talked about it.

So, well, I think what his plan is to replace the money of three points something billion with an investment in new technology. Rather than just writing you a check, you know, help the idea if he wants to create a partnership outside of the eight number. I like that idea. I like that idea. future are being planned here in Israel because if you're not one step ahead of the enemy you did you did you kind of talked though right this was yeah I did we did all right I'm just going to play it one more time a number I like that idea the wars of the future are being planned here in Israel because if you're not one step ahead of the enemy you you suffer well I mean that there it is right there look we're planning

the wars that you guys are all going to be fighting and dying yeah right here in this country absolutely ridiculous and offensive I mean, I don't know if I call it offensive or just incredibly revealing, right? Let me see. All right, we got cash bungee. There was this report that Howard Lutnik was involved in shorting the airlines right before 9-11. Like there was a bunch of, they're going around about that. Yeah, and they're talking about how, I mean, I can.

Dude, the guy's a scumback, dude. And there's- The guy's a scumback. Johnny, what he did to his firm, 700 employees. he told none of them about it and just went and drove his kid to work and let him all die dude that's like that's like me

knowing someone's going to run into the studio and just shoot it up and I don't tell you guys I just let it happen like it's so dark and then afterwards I'm crying about insurance money and then I take the money and I give it to all the families of the board the executive board

here it is right here this is our friend scum bag James Lee talking about I love James Lee Yeah Me too Not only is he all over the Epstein files

He has now just been exposed For massive insider trading So today the Supreme Court struck down Trump's tariffs But guess what Howard Lutnik's family firm bought up the rights to tariff refunds For 20 to 30 cents on the dollar last year

Meaning they bet against the tariffs being legal Even though he was out there Reassuring the public That the Supreme Court would side with Trump What do you think? How do you think they're leaning? Well, I think they're leaning toward the president. What a liar, dude. General Sauer, our solicitor general, was out first.

And the judges, the justices were tough. Let's hit. They were asking them tough questions. But when the other side got up, wow, it was very, very strong. And so I left very upbeat and very positive. And I think he's not. Even though he's betting against it. What a piece of shit.

This was just a few days ago, he said this. Now, estimates are saying that the Lutnik family windfall could be into the billions of dollars. I think Andrew Schultz sums it up quite well. He says, quote, this is the Epstein class Playbook 101, fund both sides of the war and policy. Disgraceful, they have no love or loyalty to America. We are simply a vessel for them to exploit for their own enrichment. If we want Americans to have faith in our institutions, the Epstein class must receive the highest punishment of the law imaginable.

The problem is that they're judged jury and executioner. That's the problem. Yes, yeah. How are they supposed to be punished? Yeah, when they won't even release the night, the Epstein stuff surrounding 9-11,

because it would implicate this guy in so much shit that, you know, people would just be infuriated. It's ridiculous. Learn. Yeah. I mean, he's a scumbag of the highest order. Like, you know, there's like blatant scumbags,

Stalin, obviously. he didn't put the nun sounded, but it's blatantly. Then there's lying scumbag. Scum bags. And this is it, dude. This is what every single stereotype of every single group you hate, politicians, religious people, billionaires, elites. This guy is all of those people put together, all those stereotypes, put together in one person. It's just the biggest piece of.

is a piece of shit to walk the planet. And while this is going on, I don't know if you saw this. Vice was on the ground in Venezuela showing the American companies are there. This is ari. This arrived with the interim president and they're here to talk about this, oil. And this is what it's all about. All the geopolitical bugaboo that's going on, everything that's going on between Venezuela and in America, it's about this oil.

And who gets to pump it and who gets to refine it, who gets to ship it. We're now best friends, even though we bombed Caracas and took Maduro. Oh, look at VICE trying to get their name back. Oil and resources. So they're talking about how best to pump, refine, extricate the oil. The Americans want to come in and do it more efficiently than the Chinese. When we came in here, the Chinese were for the wastelands of oil pools. And we're going to ask them what they've been talking about here

and the pointing end of the spear of American diplomacy. It's exciting to be out here in the Orinoco Oil Belt by the interim president, Delci Rodriguez, and we're seeing the tremendous potential for U.S.-Venezuelan cooperation in these Chevron facilities right here. She's throwing up in her own mouth. High-density, high-quality oil production,

done in a very safe, small environmental footprint, tremendous economic. You just bobbed up. You just bomb them. No shame, right? No shame at all. Just right in there, man. Send them right in.

Just scumb bags. Not even trying to hide it. Cubs. Bags. They're just scumb bags. And you can tell she's uncomfortable with the whole. She's like, I mean,

am I next? You know? I mean, she's probably even worse than them. She sold out her own people. Like, that's even worse. Yeah,

she's probably the Lyndon Johnson event as well, you know? 100% just selling out their own people. Scum bag. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at YouTube.com slash Sam Tripoli. Aaron? This is only the beginning.

Dude, you just blew my mind.