Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #976: The Absolute Bonkers Story Of Paul Bennewitz With Adam Gorightly

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

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The allegation was that Heinek took a computer that the Air Force gave him, and he passed it along to Paul Benowitz. And a lot of people saw Benowitz using this computer. And basically, this computer had software where he could supposedly talk to the aliens. Oh, what the fuck are you guys who were talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed. body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to tinfoil half.

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Are you ready to get your mind blown? All right, guys. Welcome to Tim Foll Hat live from the Wise Wolf Golden Silver Studio. That's right. Wolfpack Gold. Just go to Sam Tripoli, Doc Gold, and use a promo code Tim Foil, and you two can get in on a Press Metal's game for as little as $50 a month. We're very excited to have our guests on.

He's just a wonderful country lawyer, and we're blessed to have him on. Please welcome to Tim Fall Hat. go rightly. How are you, sir? Thanks for having me on. There goes my voice. I'm doing great today, except for my voice. That's fine. That's fine. We appreciate you powering through it, my friend. Adam, thanks for coming on the world,

coming on Tim Foll Hat. We're blessed to have you. For those who are not familiar with you, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you. Yeah, besides being a simple country lawyer, I'm primarily an author written about eight or so books on paranormal subjects, UFOs, conspiracies, odd characters in these fields. I'm also a sometime actor. I play the narrator role in this adaption of my book, Saucer, Spooks, and Cooks.

I was in a see another horror film that came out in 2019 called The Hill on the Hole, which people ought to check. out. I play the character of Roger Person who is like a homicidal free Masonic cult leader with a heart of gold. And I have

we have a podcast now. We've launched kind of a companion to the film, saucers, spooks, and cooks. And yeah, that's kind of me. Well, we love it. It's very interesting stuff.

Thank you for coming on again. So I want to kind of start out by just letting you know I love paranormal. I'm so into it. I think the world that we live in is a lot more interesting than people want to, that the powers of be let us know. But one thing that is interesting me, and I'd love to get your view of it. Excuse me, everybody. So much of the paranormal we don't see everywhere.

Why is it that we tend to see these paranormal things when we're alone, we're in the forest, you know, outside of, let's say, is it Owlman in Chicago? He's the only one who seems like to enter the inner city. Is there anybody, like, what are your thoughts on why we tend to only see these things in the country, in the fields? Like, last night, there were something in the sky. guy in LA and all these people took videos of it, but that's very rare. Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? Well, yeah, there's a few different answers for that.

One of them, you know, is why do people often have these paranormal encounters, whether it's UFOs or whatever, Bigfoot ghosts? They often have them where there's no other witnesses, you know, or they're, often the forest by themselves. And you could attribute that to being in a different state of mind, you know, when your mind quiets down, you're by yourself,

perhaps go into some type of meditative state. Maybe that's partially the answer of, you know, how people observe these things. The writer John Kill had some interesting observations back in the day. He called it his super, spectrum theory where like psychics and folks like that had to enter into a certain state of mind,

like dialing in a frequency on a radio. And they could see through, you know, they call them UFO windows or things of that nature, where if you get to that certain state of mind, then you're able to see what is possibly always they're around us, you know. But you got to, whether it's in, there's a lot of different ways.

Hypnotic states, sometimes they talk about drug-induced states. There's a lot of encounters with entities under, you know, I've heard people talk about DMT and these type of things, or once again, a psychic, somebody

is just kind of attuned to a different vibe or a different frequency. As far as UFO encounters, that's a little, that might be along the same lines, you know, as well. Do you think that the electromagnetic energy of a big city could also either be repellent to these things or maybe it hides what we see? because there's so much electromagnetic energy in, let's say, Los Angeles. When you land at LAX, guys, won't you agree you feel LA? It's like an energy surge just hits you.

Maybe it's not possible to see these things with that energy everywhere. What are your thoughts on that? Oh, that could be possible. I mean, I'm generally skeptical about ET visitations. You know, I think a lot of the sightings that have gone on over. the years are secret aircraft in development and these type of things. And also, you know, electromagnetic stuff like experimentations with non-lethal weapons, have you, that type of stuff.

And that's kind of the focus of this film, Saucer, Spooks, and Kooks and this fellow Dr. Paul Benowitz, who. became the victim of, you could call it a government counterintelligence program, disinformation campaign that used UFOs and ETs to cover what was really going on at the Curtland Air Force Base in the 1970s and 80s. Interesting. So, sir, I saw you want to talk about a particular subject. I just got to figure out

it is the Benowitz affair? Is that how I pronounce it or did I butcher that? You got it right. Okay. Where do you want to discuss? Where do you want to start with that? Let's start several places, but let's start in 1989. There was a UFO conference. It was

the Lufon conference that year, and that's the big UFO group, mutual UFO network. And there was a lot of buzz going around about this researcher, Bill Moore. He was going to unload something at the conference, and he sure did. He basically came forward and said that he had been part or an asset for a government disinformation campaign targeting this Paul Benowitz fellow. And this caused a great. story.

William Moore gave this speech and he rushed out of the building. People were about ready to tear him apart, all the different UFO researchers over the years who considered him a friend, somebody who was on the level with them. But he basically played the community. His role in this, as he told it, was in 1980, he got approached by this person. who was high-level military intelligence. Other times he's said it was somebody in upper echelon of the CIA. He always used the codename form Falcon and the deal that they made with Bill Moore,

this UFO researcher journalist, was that if he would keep tabs on people within the field of uphology, then in turn they would share with him top secret UFO poop, you know, different documents and these these type of things so that was the deal that was made and what the concern there you know they buttered up more said they were really they were thought he was doing the best work in the field but why they tapped him was because they knew he had contacts with the UFO researchers in the Soviet Union and there was basically concerns that these different foreign spies

were infiltrating in the field of euphology because at that time there was a lot of civilian contractors working on different parts of the stealth bomber for instance but they didn't know the full scope of what they were doing or like Paul Benowitz he was a civilian

contractor they So, you know, there was a concern that, you know, these civilian contractors who had access to certain secrets and whatnot, you know, that these different foreign agents would basically get top secret information through them. So that, anyway, that was basically the concerns of the, spies involved in this case who were basically running this disinformation campaign on Benowitz. It gets much crazier than that. Oh, I can't wait. So real quick, so we've had a guy on the show, great interview to dark journalist.

He's come on the show, and he brought up some very interesting to me, because we always talk about the assassination of JFK, who's involved, and he brought up that he thought NASA also had a say in what happened that day because, you know, Operation Paperclip, there were lots of Nazis at the top of, if not the top brass of NASA. And JFK wanted to share information on UFOs with the Russians because he didn't want them to think that what they saw were U.S. ships with naval bombs. with nuclear weapons and stuff like that. So it gets very interesting that the amount of, let's say, let's call a hidden hand

that has been involved in the UFO community for a very long time. Indeed. Oh, yeah, and I've heard those, I'm familiar with the dark journalist work, and I've heard those stories revolving around, you know, some point to the likes of Fred Chrisman as being involved in the JFK assassination. Crisman dated

way back in the history of uphology. He was involved in one of the first the Mori Island UFO sighting, which you may have heard of, and he was also allegedly one of the three tramps in Daly Plaza. He had worked for Boeing.

So that's one of the characters that I think the dark journalist has probably pointed to. You know, with Benowitz, the deal with him, he was, you know, he was kind of, he was a physicist, scientist. He basically worked with the government developing sensors, altimeters, that type of stuff. I think he developed stuff for the space shuttle. And his house was right there, Curtland Air Force Base Base. in Albuquerque and he started seeing

strange aircraft appear you know in December of 1979 and he was concerned because they're over this area called Monsanto Mountain which there was an underground

facility under that mountain that was the biggest storehouse of nuclear armaments during that period and so yeah he started witnessing these crafts filming them photographing, but he's also picking up signals too.

And over time, he believed these were ET signals he was picking up, and the government encouraged him along those lines and I can talk a bit how they did that. What was going on at Curtland was Sandia Labs, and they

had all kinds of high-tech. I'm sure they're still developing stuff I mentioned before. They had these satellites were spy satellites, basically, that's some of the communications. Benowitz was picking up. They were testing early on. A lot of the non-lethal weapons came out of that area.

So Benowitz was discovering all this stuff, and he's telling the security at the base. I think, you know, there's these strange aircrafts and stuff going on. This is a national security problem. And so they had him come into Curtland Air Force Base, and he shared all his findings and films and stuff. And they said they would work with him on this. He was trying to get a contract out of them to further investigate UFOs. So that's at this point the operation, the disinformation operation, started.

Wow. So how early into the UFO movement do you think, that the CIA or the government or whatever got involved from the jump? Are they, did they form it? Did they, are they the ones who created it to control the narrative? Well, there's certainly been, you know, that a group of people and run a through line, you know, to the people who've been involved over the years, even to present day. Yeah. There's a narrative that's been spun, but if you look at the beginning of the modern era of UFO, you know, it's like when Kenneth Arnold had his sighting, it was June 24, 1947,

that kind of started a UFO flap for the next few weeks that kind of ended in whatever happened at Roswell. Now, there's an interesting paper I've. come across. Just here recently, you know, if you're talking about the early days, and it's by this guy named James Carion. And he believes that his paper is called the Roswell Deception. This guy really dug deep into the documents and FOIA requests and these type of things. And his attention is that he calls his paper the Roswell deception that, you know,

During World War II, you had all these deception units. The British had them, you know, you've probably heard about this in the U.S. where they create like fake tanks on the field. And there was one operation where they planted a dead soldier with fake war plans. And, you know, eventually the Nazis came upon this dead body. and the Italians and the Nazis took these war plans seriously, even though it was part of this deception operation. And Carion's talking about this unit stayed,

it was still viable unit into 46 and 47. He contends that there was concerns with the U.S. military. You know, the war was over. a lot of the soldiers were going back home, but the Russians still had this huge standing army and more equipment than the U.S. had. We were kind of behind things, you know, if another war started then. So they created this deception program where you had all these UFO sightings to get the Russians to think that we had some advanced aircraft we were hiding. and spinning the UFO narrative also to conceal what was going on.

Basically, we had more, you know, different technology far advanced than we had at the time. So, you know, that's one way to look at those early days of euphology. Do you find it weird that we were so confused, so concerned with the Russians at this time, but yet now today we work with the Russians on like the space center or the space um was it center station excuse me space station is that weird does yeah well you yeah you could ask why why you know but i guess uh when the wall came down you know there was uh different uh Glasnos or whatever they called it, to have the two country superpowers work together on these projects.

But I'm sure there's still a lot of, you know, there is spying going on in all aspects of military and aerospace industries with Russia and all these other countries. So when this guy comes out and says, I've basically been working with the FBI or the CIA or the government and my job is to monitor this guy. What do you think that means in terms of like how that affected the guy that he was in charge of monitoring? Like, do you think he pushed him certain ways? He was convinced him not to follow certain trails, stuff like that. Mm-hmm.

I mean, eventually he had a mental breakdown, too. But, yeah, they wanted to point him in another direction. They wanted him, well, let's give an example here. There was this document. So there's William Moore, he's the journalist, you know, the one who's agreed to this dirty deed to monitor these people in euphology. And his handler, a name you might be familiar with was Special Agent Richard. Doody. And at one point, Doty showed

Bill Moore this document about an Aquarius project off a teletype and more reviewed. And it looked like nothing odd about it. It looked like a secret program, but nothing about aliens or UFOs. A couple weeks later, Doty gave

him another version of this document that had been altered to include a mention of VTs as well as a group called Majestic 12. That was one of the first mentions of Majestic 12. Doty told Moore, I want you to pass this on to Paul Benowitz. And Moore was reelect and he kind of sat on it for a while. He didn't feel good about it.

But Doty pushed him, say, hey, we're going to end this agreement if you don't pass it on to Paul Benowitz. And so, yeah, and the idea there was that Benowitz would take it. wave it around to the papers and be discredited discredited. But now that was Moore's version of that. He cautioned Benowitz about doing anything with the information. Let's research it, all that kind of stuff. But then a later interview, Benowitz had a little different version of that story. He had, Benowitz had sent all these films and photographs to be developed, to even take.

And they disappeared, you know, from where he was having them to vote. He suspected the government might have got a hold of him or whatever. But according to Benowitz, somebody visited him one day. He didn't say more per se, but somebody brought this Aquarius document. Much larger document he started going through with Benowitz. And Sharon telling him whoever this individual was, it was top secret. And within the document, he saw. all the photographs that were missing.

They put it in this document and they told him this is a super secret. Oh, my God. Super secret document. Don't do anything or you'll, you know, you could be prosecuted to lock it away. We just wanted to share this information. So that was a way of burying, you know, what he was filming and photographing, you know, over Kirtland. It gets really strange. you know who Jay Allen Heineck is?

No, I do not. He was a scientific advisor to Project Blue Book going back to the 40s, and he's the pipe-smoking dude, if you remember, close encounters of the third kind, professor guy. That was Jay Allen Heineck. And the allegation was that Heinek took a computer that the Air Force gave him, and he passed it along to Paul Benowitz. and a lot of people saw Benowitz using this computer,

and basically this computer had software where he could supposedly talk to the aliens. Benowitz believed he was talking to the aliens through this computer. At the same time, the NSA moved in a townhouse across from him and started beaming him with messages to counteract. You know, Benowitz was trying to decode all this stuff that was coming from Curtin Bay. So the NSA wanted to, like, throw, you know, like you have information coming yet from one angle, then a bullhorn from another angle to drown it all out. So this is a type of activities that were going on around Benowitz.

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had an interest in cattle mutilations, which is kind of related to this story as well. So he had kind of a predisposition there of having this interest in UFO, so it didn't take too much to push him over. you know, as far as what he was getting off that computer, you think 1980, it was pretty basic stuff, it was like text ask you, they call it, so

he'd ask questions of the aliens and the answer would be like two dots for yes and a straight line for no, but he's also getting images off the computer, once again, like the dot matrix,

dot matrix like stuff and one person who saw it said it looked like a dinosaur looking thing you know and that's where I think a lot of the mythology of reptilians came from was from what Benowitz thought he was

experiencing and it all became part of the UFO mythology is over time you know um so if you had to asked who was who is corresponding as the aliens if you had to guess i'd you would assume since the

air force uh was behind that computer that it was part of this counterintelligence program and you know when i first heard nsa was also involved it's like okay you got air force nsa but i think it's pretty common as i've learned that NSA at these high security facilities, often have agents there, you know, doing whatever they do. So, I mean, that, it seems it was this counterintelligence operation, Air Force, as well as the NSA that were behind this computer. That is crazy, dude.

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There's one other aspect of the it gets crazier from here though. I mean, before we move to that, sorry. Real quick. Before we get into how much crazier it gets, because it is amazing, I know you mentioned that Benowitz was working in, you know, studying cattle mutation, all that stuff.

But what about him did they think he was such a danger? Why him? Why was he such a danger that they felt they had to basically run sciops on him? I think it was a wider spread program. You know, he was a civilian contractor, but at that time, a bunch of these other civilian contractors, Bill Moore was in contact with. And they were working on these different programs, the stealth bomber at that time and these other things.

And they were really concerned. about, you know, who they were in contact with. And so they created these phony documents like the, these Aquarius documents and the MJ12 documents. And one way, if they, you know, they could pass these on to different of these euphology, phologist, these civilian contractors and see where they ended up at. You know, that was one of the reasons. Or if they had, say, a photo of the stealth bomber at that time, or some other weapons system on aircraft, you know, it could be presented as this is a UFO, you know, and pass it through the channel and see if a Russian spy ends up with it or whatever, ever what their reaction would be. and it was like the Aquarius project

really didn't have anything to do with UFOs or ETs. If you go on like the black vault, you can pull up the files for the Aquarius project. And I was disappointed when I found them. I thought I was going to find some alien stuff, but it was just some other project having to do with physics or something. but they were dropping these, like these code names also to run it through,

eventually maybe despise to see what their reactions were, what they knew. So, yeah, this whole counterintelligence program going on. And so Benowitz, he was the extreme of that one. He was, you know, and there was also, well, Like I said, it gets crazier, but... I can't wait to hear. Basically, you would answer that earlier, so my apologies for that. What did you want to say?

I was just going to ask, is there any chance the cattle mutilation was a sci-up? Anyway, he just wasn't... They gave that to him to get him started into the UFO theory, because, I mean, running into that isn't just random. Mm-hmm. He went to a cattle mutilation conference in 1979, in Albuquerque, it'd become a big... Yeah, well, it'd become a big...

Hold, there's a conference for that? Oh, my God, he's still going? I want to go. Well, it was more of a... It was put together by the U.S. Senator Schmidt, who'd actually been an Apollo astronaut. He was the last guy to walk on the moon. And so all these ranchers were losing cattle

during that period, you probably heard the story, and there was all these different theories of what it was, you know. Was it, there was UFO seeing the vicinity, and sometimes black helicopters. Other people were saying there's Satanus. The Chukapara, what was the thing? At one point, that Mexican little rat thing would go in there and suck up the blood. They were saying it was another, like, mystic animal.

Yeah, so they're trying to figure out, you know what the heck is going on they want their politicians to do something so that's how this conference came together with ranchers and you also had UFO people there and politicians sorting through this stuff and at that conference benowitz met this highway patrolman named Gabe valdez he lived in the he was the highway patrolman in the dulcie area and he used to valdez became the expert on investigating these cattle mutilations. So he and Benowitz were a friend and they'd drive out, he'd go on, you know, ride-alongs at midnight,

looking at some of these cattle mutilations, which are also associated with UFOs. So that was how Benowitz got involved in the mutilations. And at Dulce, you know, which is north, of Albuquerque. That also became part of the story because there was rumors that there was a secret alien base there. And that's what the people who were handling Benowitz, they started pointing to him in that direction to take his focus off of Kirtland. Now, you know, not to get too deep into the weeds, but what one of the answers, what was going on there.

at Dulce with these cattle mutilations was that it was a government project basically to test different cattle that might have been exposed to radiation, you know, from different things. There was a thing called Project gas buggy in the 60s where they did underground atomic explosions in the area to try to get natural gas out of ground. It didn't go too well. That sounds like a crazy thing, you know, so that, but, so there was a lot of these concerns about radiation in the environment. So that, you know, it's one of the theories that it was a secret government project to test these cattle going on and that there had been for a period of time a remote lab there in the Dulce area. It gets involved. Yeah, it does get involved.

and I'm loving this. So when you say it gets crazier, what happened next? So we're at the point. He's got a computer. He's talking to dots and straight lines, and he's getting stuff beamed into his head. And what year was that, by the way? So we're talking 1980.

He had his first sightings in 79. So this went on for a bit. Now, in May of, 80. There was a woman in what came into a highway patrol office in Cimmeron, New

Mexico, claiming she had been abducted by a spaceship in ETs and the patrolman there didn't know what to do with her, but they know a guy named before Gabe Valdez out of Dulce. He was the go-to guy for

UFOs and cattle mutilations. He came in picked her up. Oh, she's. And her and her son and delivered them to Paul Benowitz, because Benowitz was connected with this UFO organization I mentioned before. And Benowitz knew a guy with that organization who did hypnotic regressions to help this woman. So in the first session, her name was Merna Hansen. Benowitz was concerned that the aliens could read her mind or beam her or something,

so they did their first regression session in his Lincoln Town car, and they wrapped it completely with foil. What? Which maybe is where the tin foil hat came from to block the alien beams. Over time, he constructed like a Faraday cage type thing to keep out the alien beams. he was convinced they were beaming him now trying to interfere with the you know these

regression sessions first what Brunah Hanson said that her and her son they were at an eagle nest which was near Cimarron and they witnessed a UFO beam down a light suck up a cow into the ship

and her and her son were sucked up and they saw the ETs mutilate the cattle or dissect it part of some type of medical procedure and they also did a procedure on her and her son and she was regressed a number of times

during another episode she remembers going through a medical experiment. You guys, You guys hear me all right? Yeah, we can hear you. You have a couple moments of, is it his or are? You guys hear me okay? Yeah, yeah, your internet's acting up, but we're doing fine.

I thought it's probably. Yeah. Yeah, so she was recounting these regressions she was having and undergoing a medical experiment where she broke free and found herself in an underground facility where you had these. vats with human body parts as well as alien human hybrid's going on. So this is one of the... Bats? Bats like flying bats with human body parts? Vats. Vats, not bats, bats, bats.

Oh, okay, okay. Vats, yeah. I thought he said bats. Okay, okay, my bad. And so this was like the stuff that later made its way into the X-Files, you know, by the mid-90s. And so things got crazy at Benowitz's house. She was there for three weeks or so. They were being assaulted by these beams. And there's in the filming here,

actual tapes of Benowitz describing this one of the beams knocked down his wife. I mean, he was full on believing now that aliens were attacking him. He started developing his own beams and ray guns to counteract the aliens. Holy cow. It's crazy, right? Now, I'd mentioned the guy Gabe Valdez. I interviewed his son Greg Valdez who was younger, but he was around to witness

some of this stuff secondhand a lot of the time. And what he suggested that with Merna Hanson, this lady who claimed to have these encounters may have also been part of the Psiop. She kind of disappeared after that. Nobody really knows what became of her. If you do a Google search for

Merna Hanson, you come up with an actress from like the 40 and 50s. So, perhaps she was an actress playing a role. Whoa! That's crazy! Whoa, that's how deep it goes? I mean, especially

now, not to get into another subject or bring any of politics, but you know what the feeling on like Erica Kirk and these M.K. Ultra Sex kittens and all that, stuff and like that could be what's happening right here. Well, she has to really play the part because she has to act crazy too. How about the kid?

The kid's like, I mean, we hear about child actors, but you're, you're larping, your live action role playing? That's crazy to me. I'm not up to speed on the Eric Kirk stuff. Yeah, you're lucky, dude. You're lucky. Not really. Sorry to even bring it up and taint you.

My apologies, but man, that is crazy. And the question, you know, because. Because it's like, you're going to have a paranoid friend, and you're like, dude, chill, that's not what's happening? But what if it is happening? Like, I'm not saying necessarily to talk to aliens, but like someone's trying to beam something into it. And like, we're talking the 80s now.

And they have voice to skull technology in the 80s, dude. It's like now it's like telling people the Havander syndrome, you're crazy. That's been proven facts. People used to tell people, that's not real. The Havander syndrome isn't real. And now you're like, oh, I'm sorry that I told you. you were crazy. Yeah, I mean, dude. Some of the effects he was

getting were like little spider bites. He was actually showing physical effects. One of the odd ones that other people saw who went to his home were these little orbs, blue orbs that would sometimes appear. People go, Paul, look over there, there's a blue orb and said, yeah, they show up all the time.

You know, it's like perhaps some type of monitoring device going on. But he really went off the deep end. After a while, he felt that ETs were walking through his door and shooting him up with hyperdermic needles. So, you know, that's when you get into like the MK. Ultra MyLab stuff. And so this case has everything, you know. And the government, you know, he was convinced that Merna Hansen had an implant at the base of her skull. And so the Air Force actually took her in and they took cat scans or x-rays supposedly showing, you know, whatever was going on with her.

So, you know, they kept continuing to lead Benowitz along in this thing. until once again eventually he had a meltdown. You know how he was saying how he would always see the blue dots? You know what they reminds me of? Not that kind of like Bloodsoe. We always wonder if Bloodsoe is like a guy where the government uses them and you pull all of. He just says they'll be there and they show up. Sounds a lot like this where it's just like they're using them so you can't.

Whoa, he's an example of whenever. Everyone who, everyone hangs with Bloodsoe says that those things show up every time. Yeah, there's that famous video gone, sir. Oh, I was just going to say, I've seen some of the Ledso videos, but a lot of times it doesn't look too impressive to me. Dude, it's crazy, man. You remember that news clipping where the guy, Rupert goes down and meets the guy, and he's like, Joshua, show up, and it shows up, and you're like, wow. And then the news is like, oh, God, and then they shut up. They can't believe it.

Then they sent that guy to do puppies, stories, and they're opening a bakery after Orb showed up. That's got to be a weird career. Very crazy, man. Very cool. That's the sign to open a bakery, orb show up. That's nuts, dude. That's nuts, man.

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woman, what is this mythos you wanted to talk about? There are two of them, the Dolce base mythos and the Tal Levesque. I don't, I butchered that, but. Tal Levesque. Tau Levesque, I tried, dude. I tried. You got it. So how I got interested in this Benowitz thing really started with this guy, Tal Levesk.

it's quite a mysterious and unusual character. So we're talking like 2008. I get an email from this film. I didn't know who he was at the time, but he said he was working on a series called Mysterious Mariposa, like a paranormal

television series. And I think he was contacting me at that time. I belong to a Central California boarding group just to pick my brain and he said he had also been involved with that show UFO UFO hunters

as a producer of the underground base episode so I thought okay this guy sounds interesting but I wanted to find out before I contact him if he was legit and I knew Bill Burns he did the UF Bo Hunter's series and he said

Yeah, that's Tala Esk, he knows things. And so we eventually had breakfast together and I met him and yeah, quite a character and he's

he went on about how he's kind of a man behind the scenes. He was involved in releasing what we're called the Dulce papers which I can talk about in a minute. And I asked him how he came to Mariposa, and he said he was not on a kind of advanced recon there for Dan Ackroyd.

And you guys still with me? Yeah, yeah, we're listening. Oh, okay. We're listening, which we never do on this show, by the one. Okay. So, and what Ackroyd was up to, you know, Tals said he had worked as a producer on a Syfax a series that Ackroyd had in Canada for a period of time, like in the 90s. And what he was doing was going out and finding what he called a safe.

They were looking for a safe haven. If all the coming earth changes came, you know, and California was underwater, Mariposa was supposed to be an island that would make it through those earth changes. And so what the plan was, Ackroyd had designed to start a, House of Blues in Mariposa and Tal was looking at this area because he's into inner earth and caverns and these type of things. There was a limestone

cavern running from the Bay Area to Mariposa where they could set up a shuttle system so Aquinas crew could travel to House of Blues. It all sounds totally nutty, you know, but like with a lot of stuff Tal told me there was some nugget of truth there. I know that I talked to other people. Tal was good friends with Peter Aykroyd, who was Dan Aykroyd's brother.

So a lot of times, you know, parts of what Tau crazy stories Tau would tell me were, there's some element of truth there. Whether the sacroid thing was true or not, I don't know. We tried to contact him for the movie but didn't have any luck. But if you're out there, Dan, you know. and is there any part that... That is still willing to talk. That you think that Dan could be part of a sci-op, you know, Ghostbusters, you know, that was a big thing and everyone's suddenly into ghosts.

I remember... I went five times to the movie theaters to watch Ghostbusters. I loved it so much as a kid. That's the one you've seen the most at the theater? That's probably the movie I... Oh, yeah, by far. I don't think I've ever been to a movie theater twice to see a movie. since then. But I just kept going back to watch Ghostbusters. I thought it was so amazing.

But here you are. Maybe there's some like revelation of the method. They're exposing people to these ideas of, you know, paranormal and stuff like that. Yeah, that's what Tell eventually admitted to me. But let me tell you a little bit more about the story that Dulce papers, but she was responsible with, in 1890, this was 89, he sent out 100 packets to all these researchers with these Dulce papers in there. In a nutshell, what they claimed or some of the stuff that came out of the Benowitz affair, that there was a secret underground base and in Dulce. You can go online and find the Dulce papers. It's like, 10 pages of hand drawings and the story that basically

there's a secret underground base human alien treaty with the military and that basically the treaty was an exchange the aliens would share their technology with us and we would produce human subjects for them to do experiments on, you know, all the alien hybrid crazy stuff. And so at one point there was a lot of these security workers, specifically the security worker named Tom Castello, they had a revolt against the aliens. There was this battle, which was called the Dulce War, where 66 humans died, and the only one who escaped was this Tom Castello character. and he passed along these Dulce papers.

Now, long story short, I always suspected that was basically a composite character, this Tom Cost, Castello that was based on Tal Levesk and Paul Benowitz. Paul Benowitz in 81, he was writing about the put together this project beta report that said there had been some type of confrontation at this underground base in the military, had to abandon it. That was kind of the seed for a lot of this other these stories, you know,

misinformation, disinformation, what have you that was later spread with the Dulce papers, which at the time became, it was kind of a big thing in euphology for a couple of years and to all of this sent out these different packets

of information so other researchers picked up on it, started putting their own spin on the Dulce stories. So you had it looked like other people confirming the story, you know. And so people started taking it seriously.

And there was a guy named Phil Schneider who emerged like in the early 90s who became kind of a big star on the UFO circuit. And he also repurposed the same story claiming that he had

been part of this battle at Dulce Base or Area 51 where he had these encounters with the ETs. They used like the same story with Area 51 when that became a thing that there had been an underground battle there. There was eight aliens in captivity that Machestic 12 was involved with the facility. So it's kind of the same boilerplate that gets used over and over in a lot of these stories that later, you know, led to once again the mythology you saw in the X-Files and whatnot. And over the years, I kept asking Tal, you know, was Tom Costello a real guy or was this, I suspected he was his composite character.

And Tal always denied, no, he was a real guy until ultimately he told me. me that he admitted coming up with the story with a few other people. And basically he was what he told me, that he's part of this group who were trying to steer the narrative in a new direction away from the old boring nuts and bolts, UFO craft stories prior to the 80s and bring in all these science fictional type. elements and, you know, alien reptilians and all these secret bases and that type of stuff. That is so crazy, dude. Now, was one of the guys you were talking about underground crafts and, you know, battles and stuff like that?

Was he the gentleman that lost part of his hand? Was he one of that? Yes. Yes, yes. That was Phil Schneider. And he seemed to He picked up on this story From the people who were

Pushing the Dulce papers One of whom was a guy named John Lear I don't want to throw too many names at you But Schneider Picked up on this And yeah If you look and you can see some of his

And we showed in the film Some of his speeches He became a pretty big Dill He showed his missing fingers That he claimed the alien shot up, he pull up his shirt and show this

long scar he had. But, you know, as it turns out, people started looking into his background and the story didn't add up that he had ever worked for the government. And in recent times, we've come across

FOIA information that showed he had mental problems. He claimed that he had contracted cancer from radiation from working in these underground facilities, but what these FOIA documents showed from, it's like the late 60s, 70s that he, this is kind of a wild thing, too.

He had been to a bar or something. He met some guy who had some rocks that were basically contaminated with radiation. I forget what they were the material. And he took these rocks home and put him under the bed and got radiation sickness from them. That is crazy. Yeah. And he was a self-mutelator. You know, he had mental problems.

So that's why he was missing his fear. Yeah. And so, but he was a great speaker. Very convincing. Just to watch some of the videos with him, It's pretty compelling, man. It's so crazy. And it's believable, you know.

That's so crazy because I see that guy's video all the time. They're constantly, it's always going viral of him giving some speech at some conference and a grainy picture with his... Going off on Janet Reno, that bitch. So this brings me up into the missing 911 and all that stuff. What is your thoughts on that? Because there's a lot of similarities to this story. You know, the bases made deals with aliens, technology for humans, guinea pig.

That's a big part of the missing 911, which also leads into Project High Jump, the Admiral Bird going to Antarctica, you know, and, you know, And, you know, I'm so blessed I get to go on the road with Eddie Bravo and I get his take. And he was talking about Admiral Bird when we were going to Bakersfield about Admiral Bird and being a Freemason. And is his job to promote a certain narrative, aliens and stuff like that? Do you have any thoughts on, have you heard about the missing 911? does this fit into this kind of like astro-turf story about aliens and technology and human guinea pigs missing 9-1-1 there's the set the stories connected with big foot yeah that's the belief that there is um

there is a that that i think truman or eisenhower made a deal with the nazi aliens you know goes down there, he meets aliens and Nazis, and they're like, dog, we could totally wipe you out right now or you can just take us to your leader. And he's like, we'll go to the leader. So he brings him to the leader. And the leader is like, hey, they're like, this is how we're going to do it. We can make a deal with you. We'll give you some of the, we'll give you technology. In turn, you have to give us humans to do anything we want with them.

And they made a deal that you can do that, but you can't just take them off the street. you can use the forest anyone lost in the forest you can take them this is where it gets this is a part of why the national forest maybe is left alone uh you know and that if you go too deep in it's all it gets layers and layers and layers of stuff right right but is your is your thoughts any of that that that kind of line of information is most likely a sci-op I'm dubious about some of that information because I saw some of the books by that Pallades. Is that here you're talking about?

Yeah. I'm highly dubious of what that guy is pushing. I got one of his books that deals with the area I'm in, Central California. And, you know, just one of the cases there, I knew a lot. about and how he was presenting it was inaccurate without going into all the details. So, yeah, I'm pretty dubious about him, but can I, you know, go off in the direction of this Eisenhower thing? Yeah, I'd love to hear that.

Secret agreement. It's part of this Benowitz story, because I'm talking about the documents that were being put out that might have been hoaxed or whatnot. And this Bill Moore guy, he wrote the book, the Roswell incident in 1980, that has to do with the Roswell story. There was a crash there. They had alien bodies. The government swooped in, took it to write Patterson Air Force Base, you know, the whole deal.

Moore wrote about that in 1980 than I was talking about the Aquarius paper earlier. Yeah, the inquiries paper, yeah. It had the mention of Majestic 12. And so in 1983, Moore and his research partner, lo and behold, on their doorstep one morning, came some undeveloped film, and they developed it. And that's the MJ12 papers were on it, which basically said that, yeah, they called it the Eisenhower briefing document. And it was these documents to brief Eisenhower

who's going to come in as a president then about the secret program basically dealing with the ET situation. And it in that doc, so the MJ12 papers also confirmed the Roswell story. But, you know, once again, there are some oddities. this group Majestic

12 they came up in the Aquarius papers that had surfaced a couple

of years before these MJ 12 documents showed up and all of these

documents kind of confirmed Bill's Moore story in his book

for the Roswell incident that was in 1980 so some of this

might have been more might have had a hand in it too with

basic using these phony documents to confirm his story, which may have not been true either. Dude, how deep does it go? How deep does the deception go? We're still going. Yeah, I mean, so the question becomes, is the deception to, why would they be using so much

deception in the UFO world. Is it that there's so much going on, Project Blue Beam and whether that's real or not, you know, aliens versus angels and demons, that stuff, the notion that if we believe in aliens, there's something so powerful that we all have to come together, which is Project Bluebeam, but also this kind of learned helplessness,

that comes with, you know, aliens are so powerful. What are we going to do? Don't forget the water aliens. They're coming out of the water. The water aliens. Oh, yeah, right, right. But the point is, is that there's something so powerful that we have no chance against them. And if the government is behind that, then ultimately the government is so powerful.

And if you just train us forever to believe that there's something out there, like, you know, it's like Godzilla with Tokyo. If you believe. Yeah. that Godzilla is so powerful, what can Tokyo do? They just got to submit at that point. So do you think that what do you think is your belief on why there is so much deception in the UFO community? I think there's multiple agendas.

First, there's the one I was talking about before with the Benowitz affair, you know, that whole situation. But then there's other aspects. I'm sure you guys are familiar with Two of the Stars Academy. Yes. Tom Dolong. That whole thing.

Yes. That was, yeah, that reeked right when it started, dude. I mean, that was a sci-op gone bad right out the gate.

Why, you wouldn't think did let the guy from Blink 182 be the main guy? I mean, if you had to pick anyone, is it Blink 182? Oh,

you would have picked Lincoln Park instead? I mean, I wouldn't even pick, I don't know who I would pick, but it wouldn't be Blink 182. So,

So check it out when that whole thing came to public consciousness with the WikiLeaks deal. Yes. Where it came out that Tom DeLong, he was trying to get something going. So he's contacting John Podesta, who is Hillary's campaign manager. Supposedly, or he does have an interest in UFOs. And he said in the emails, I guess his first. email that he had this long talk and he'd been

in contact with this major or no General McHer I forget it's ranked I think General McCaslin he's the guy recently ended up missing that's another story Oh really? We'll get there in a second

but McCaslin according to DeLong told him he brought up the Roswell story that at Wright Patterson Air Force Base they had the remains so it's like they're using the same thing again and also i heard during that same time period billy corgan had been approached with the same story but he didn't run with it you know so they were looking for somebody to be their frontman in the form of um tom do long but yeah that's the

other angle of this story now recently this mccaslin guy comes up missing They still haven't found him. It's been several days now. Yes. And I feel that should be a bigger story. Yeah. And nobody's talking about because the world is so crazy right now. Mm-hmm.

Just going on. So he was in charge of what? Well, he was, I'd have to pull up the article. He seemed like advanced technology or something like that. Yeah, that sounds right. that, maybe some sprinkling some extraterrestrial in there, you know, a little dash of that. So are they leaning with disappearance, just murder, suicide? They can't find them.

Nobody, no, nothing? They can't find them. No, it's like Savannah Gutry, Guthrie's mom. That's so. I guess we don't care anymore. He was missing from the Albuquerque area. I don't know if he had an association with Curtin. and bass, but yeah, that's awfully damn weird.

It's super weird. It's super weird. But that, I did not, I forgot that Tom DeLong emailed. This McCaslin guy, yeah. Yeah, and then he was off. And Podesta. Yeah, that's nuts. How did Blink 182 meet this guy?

Was his daughters love his music? I'm like, okay, I'll talk to you, but you got to sign a guitar for my kids. looking for somebody you know they've had a connection with youth or whatever we talk about that's where I was getting to with motivation's okay why were these guys

and there were these ex-spooks involved and some of these like I say there's a through line that goes back with some of these characters to the Benowitz affair but one thing they're trying to do you know with to the Stars Academy if you go look at the

when they rolled it out to the public. They were going to do, you know, research for one on ETs, but also they'd have an entertainment arm. They'd produce books, movies, and also a spacecraft, they said they were going to, and they started taking on investors. Should never really went anywhere. But so part of it is, you know, different defense industry. contracts. A lot of these people are involved with those as well. And so if you can keep the spectra, you're talking about fear of different things, you know, demonic forces or whatever. If you keep

a strong military, I guess, that's, you know, another angle to the story. Yeah, Shadow in the Cave. I mean, the oldest story ever told. You've brought up the Majestic 12 a couple times. Is it your belief that was real or is that another sciop on top of the you know the plane crashing and i mean mean excuse me the ufo crashing and all that stuff do you think that was real that really exists held power they were actually doing what we were told they were doing what's your thoughts on that i'm dubious there might be a group by that name but i think it was something that was uh constructed by the guy I mentioned before Dodian, maybe

Bill Moore was involved with the MJ12 that there was eventually looked like a document that confirmed the existence of Majestic 12 that was found once again by Bill Moore and his colleague they went to the National Archives and

pulled out, it's called the Cutler Twining memo you might have heard about it before and supposedly that proved that MJ12 existed. but when people later looked into it and they talked to the National Archives, it goes, we had no record of that document. And according to Moore, when they found the document in between two folders, like nobody had ever seen it before,

but it sounds like the document was actually planted in the National Archives, once again, to prove this story about Majestic 12, the Secret Group, Well, this is a very famous story about Bill Cooper. Bill Cooper worked for the Navy. And forever he's talking about aliens. And then one day he just goes, oh, dude, this is a sciop too. They gave me those documents. So I would talk about those documents.

Yeah, Cooper was involved with this cast of characters. He and Talafesk knew each other. So a lot of the story he was repeating It was pretty much the same I mean he had kind of different names For some of the things But it was basically yeah The secret treaty between the military

And the aliens on and on But then later yeah He came to believe that it was a sciop That was ran on him And he no longer believed You know the ET stories was Were true that it was yeah, like you said, basically this

sciop or that the government was using. There's also another interesting document floating around at that time by a guy named Martin Cannon called the controllers and basically what he put forward in that was that alien abductions was basically a cover

for MK Ultra operations. Hello, yeah. I've heard that as well. There's this whole theory to that crypted stuff, you know, like this kind of creature, that kind of creature, was a front for when elites would kidnap children and do all that stuff.

So, wow. Wow. That is crazy. Now, please don't, do you, don't, don't, ruin my Christmas. Do you think Bill Cooper was controlled up? Oh, no.

That was a cliffhanger right there, dude. That was like, I was freaking out. I don't know for sure, man, but yeah, I think he marched to the sound of his own drummer. Respect on that. So after, we're not going to keep you much longer. This has been an absolute amazing episode. when you look at all the stuff that you have seen, does it make you believe that aliens don't exist

and that it's really the government? Or do you think this is a sci-op to push us down a road that leads us nowhere when there's actually a road that leads us to whatever the truth is? Recording in progress. Okay. What are your thoughts on? That's a hell of the question.

That's what we're here for. Yeah. Well, that's the big question. I definitely think, yeah, the narrative's been manipulated. They're actually alien visitations to this planet. It's possible, but, well, no. I had a weird UFO encounter on LSD once upon the time. Okay.

Okay. I thought I actually saw it. all. This happened in 1979, and a friend and I, long story short, we're at a party, took some acid, pretty heavy coming on. This was the period of close encounters and the third kind and all that stuff. So we wanted to believe. And so we got away from the party house, hey, let's go walk on the ditch bank, you know,

and get away from kind of in suburbia. And right before we got to the ditch make, I said, what if we saw a UFO right now? Nobody believed us. We started laughing somewhat uncontrollably. Then like 15 minutes later, we saw our first UFO. And what did you see? We saw about eight different things. And the first one was your classic saucer-shaped thing.

Then we saw a cigar shape. Then it got crazier and stupider. one that had a multi-colored propeller. We saw like eight or so of these different things. It was almost cartoonish to a point, you know, and we got to the, I should mention the first one we saw, it had such an impact. I filled a one knee, you know,

and so we're walking along describing what we're seeing. And we're describing the same thing to each other. So were we having a dual hallucination, where we influencing each other, some type of telepathy stuff that was going on on our minds? So this is a totally true story. I'm making this up. So we walk about a mile and a half, and we saw our last UFO that came down like a comet that disappeared and we saw the last ship. We turned around and got to the point where we saw the first UFO. We were like 50 yards from that

and a beam came down from the sky where we had been standing where we saw the first UFO. I don't know what all of that meant actually, but that was the experience. I got me interested in this stuff. When I first had this experience, I thought for sure it was ETs, you know.

But then over time, you start investigating these things. I read the book about demonetons. Monique entities or about a year later and go, whoa, shit, was that what was going on? Then I got exposed to other stuff, you know, like the

John Kill's super spectrum theory I was talking about before if you put your mind, perhaps you're on psychedelics or in a meditative state, it can put you in a state of mind where you could

see things that you normally can't see I think ultimately, you know, nowadays what I experienced was some type of phenomena of the mind. But, you know, I can't say for sure. I think that has a lot to do with like the notion of narcissism is that you can create your reality. Yeah, and that's the thing when I was saying. We, I mentioned, what if we saw some UFOs right now? nobody believe us.

So it planted that seed, you know. It was like a magic ritual or something, unwitting thing that we set in motion with, that was combined with the drugs. My buddy, we were real good friends, had a simpatico with us, wrote music together, you know, that kind of thing. So you had that element there.

And the perfect storm for a weird, acid shrimp. Yeah. So I want to end on this. I, when we first started the show, the show's nine years old and we're almost at our 1,000th episode. Right on.

Thank you. Thank you. We really do appreciate that. You know, and in December, we'll be 10 years old. And when this show first started, I was doing shows, you know, like some of my premium content for my, my,

patron at the time and then Rockfin. And I got an email. And it was like us navy.org. And I was like, why am I getting an email from the U.S. Navy? And it said, go down the rabbit hole, right? Just that? Oh, wow. And I've told a story a long time ago.

It's been a long time since I've told a story. So I opened it And it was basically The beginning of like what would become known as Q And they were giving me like drops I swear I Every time you tell this I'm like did I do this I

To Sam as a prank I can't remember I feel like I had something inside me is like did I do that? I don't I'm not sure But it's possible that I Like saying Hold on hold on

confessing right now? Yeah, the CIA the FBI guy over here. But why would that even be in your thought that you did that? I don't know. I just something in my head is like... I don't even think you were on the show yet. It would be hilarious if I did that.

But I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. I just every time you say that, I have this thought like, did I sense it? It was, so you could create a US Navy.org email? Yeah, that part's weird. Yeah, I don't. I don't. Maybe not. It literally was like US,

US, and then it had a rabbit. at the bottom. No, I wouldn't have done that. I had a rabbit at the bottom. No, I didn't do that. Of the email. It was very weird to me, dude. And it was, like, done through, like, not emojis, but, like, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot,

to form a rabbit. When I listen to you and the stuff you're saying, it's like, was that somebody in the government? Oh, interesting, yeah. trying to drag me in to be in a cure. Huh. You say that was 10 years ago? I would say that that was probably right when the, when Trump was starting to run.

Like this show basically started when Hillary kneecap Bernie Sanders. And I just ended an old show and I was just talking to everybody about how crazy that was. I'm like, I should do a conspiracy show. I've always loved conspiracy since I was a kid. And it started out as talking. to comedians and then real people like yourself start coming on and I was like, wow, I mean, this is a lot more than I expected it to be. But they might have been trying to recruit you in

to be in a, that's what I think. Who else did they send it to? I don't know. Nobody ever told me. Did you reply? No. I was like, what am I going to do with this? What is this mean? and then the Q stuff started dropping and that's why I'm like, whoa, that's like that email I got. Is that nuts, dude? That is nuts. Man, Adam, this was a fire episode, dude.

So did anything else happen to Ben, Benavits, before the end, before they threw them in? Or it was just more the same? Like any other crazy stuff? And final question after that is, What happened to the guy? It's like, yeah, I was working for the government to track people in the thing. Was he ever seen again?

Did he show up in another one? Everyone beat his ass? Like, what happened? So I mentioned the one at the UFO conference in 89 where he basically spilled the beans. And you talked about Bill Cooper was there at that conference. You can hear if you can find a video. tape of it. Sometimes it shows up on YouTube. Bill Cooper's in the background

yelling at him because he was one of the people who got duped. Oh, really? And so more basically kind of left euphology disappeared for a while, then he showed up a few years later

and then disappeared again. One of those type of things. He's still around. I know somebody who knows him, but so yeah, he's basically gone from the field. I wonder, I mean, obviously he had to stop working for the FBI, whoever after he confessed that, but I wonder what they told him after. Like, yo, fucker, like, you weren't supposed to tell these people that we could have been running this fucking...

He reminds me of Dan Bongino going back to the podcast thing. He's like, yeah, forget what happened. I'm back. Who do you... I think the operation was basically over at that point, and he was no longer working with him. And maybe they gave him the okay to... say what he did, you know. Is there anyone now that you think

prominent in that field that is maybe on the same lines? Hmm. Good question. Not exactly like the people involved in the Benowitz affair, but I mean, you got spooky characters around...

Like, what about Stephen Greer? What are you thinking? Oh, yeah. I don't buy his story, per se, but I don't know. What about it? I'll ask you an easier question to get into maybe. What about it rings false to you? What doesn't sound right? Because you have a, you've talked to so many people who have had, you know, you know more than we do about this. It's really what I'm saying. So what about that rings false? I'm super curious because we felt the same way, I think. but I can't quite say why. Yeah, there's a lot of weirdness around him.

I mean, when he first came out, he's Dr. Stephen Greer. I'm not sure what the doctor was, but he became a prominent figure, and he's calling for disclosure, this and that. Then he becomes a star on the scene, and then he's telling stories about the ETs or talking directly to him, and you can use a flashlight or something to contact them. And I remember he used to show up at UFO conference with his own set of bodyguards. So the whole vibe and aura around him is. That's funny. I just, yeah.

I'm with you, man. It just seems weird. I mean, why is he on Chloe Kardashian's podcast? Was he? Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah. I mean, I'm like, why are these two worlds colliding? Stupid.

Controlled. together like peanut butter and jelly you know and it's just like what do we really mainstreamed it haven't they the uf i mean they're truly like it seems they're preparing us for something i just feel that people are so distracted they don't care i mean they keep dropping these bombs they're like oh dude disclosure could be coming everyone's like oh my god the wmba are they going to play this year like nobody cares the speilberg movie getting ready to come well yeah they they they worn it out they it's been like since this new new wave started in 2017 it's like disclosure is right around the court disclosure is going to happen in 2018 29 okay yeah i mean the only one that get get just show me

the aliens you know i mean the only one that popped off was uh obama saying that stupid little comment where he believed an alien i was like oh man i don't know what i'm saying there popped off more because of what trump's response right to say that that's top classified that's how you know everybody's working together dude it's just all pro wrestling. Here's your line. Here's your line. It's like that race where they hand each other. The rally.

The baton. It's all just working together. Adam, awesome show. One more time. Tell us about your movie. So, tell us about your movie and where they can find you. Did I lose you guys? No.

No. He just brought up the screen there. We can't quit you, bro. We can't quit you. The screen changed on me. I went, holy fuck. What happened there? So yeah, we got that substacks page.

I'd like to direct people too, and we have a podcast you got to check out. We've done like three episodes and salt. We had a bunch of material left over from the film, so we're going to use it for podcast segments. But yeah, go to the substacks, saucer, spooks, and cooks, and there's a link there for the film. We're distributing it through Vimeo, I think it is. Go back up. Look at Jimmy. Is that Jimmy Salve with eyes?

Look at that guy's eyes. I mean, like, how'd you know? What a Stamber. Here's what I've learned from the Epstein dumps. If you look like you're a child molester, you'll probably are a child molester. I'm not sure what he's doing there. I guess it's on that substack feed for that page. Yeah.

Yeah. But that's basic. I have Adamgorightly.com and, yeah, you can find that should take care of things. Adam, excellent episode. Thank you so much. Do not hang up. Okay. Because we would have to talk to you real quick.

Excellent episode. Thanks for coming on. We had a great time. And please, you know, hang out for the breakdown. All right. What did you guys think of? Adam, go rightly. Fire.

Fire episode, dude. It went right, I guess. Did you think it went rightly? It went rightly, bro. I love that, dude. That is crazy, bro. Good mustache, too. Good mustache.

Those stories are crazy, and they happen all the time. all the time. What do you mean like people being misled by? Yeah. Misinformation, agents of chaos, people showing up. And then people are like going crazy and you're like, well, it used to, you know what's interesting is that it used to require them to carefully select an influencer like who actually could reach a lot of people.

Now it's just you get it on social media and it's in the wind. I think it's happening now where someone's going to be like, dude, remember that guy that went on Rogan? he was actually intelligence and they were beaming shit into his head and we'll talk about it. There was somebody like that recently, right? No, the craziest one is a guy who went on Rogan talked about crime reform and then went murdered somebody.

Really? No, I haven't. That's the craziest. No, I don't know about that. You know how those people he has, what is it, like people that get the wrongfully convicted? Oh, yeah, the innocent project. I get money to the innocent product. Should I not do that, Johnny?

I get, I've done that. I don't think of it. I give a monthly thing. So he has one of those people on. He has one of the people. Oh, Tito's going to be texting me. Bro, they just get up black people. So he has one of those people on that's like the CEO of the place.

And then he has like his, the guy that got wrongfully convicted with them. And he's telling his story to Rogan. And he's like, and I got convicted. Whoopty whooping Rogan's like. The guy that got off did it or the attorney? The guy that got off is there? No, but who's the one who killed somebody? The attorney or the other guy?

The other guy. The other guy. that's that's yeah so yeah comes on it's a bad look it's like stephen avery right like you know what I mean like either it's the biggest coincidence in history or you you're a scumbag yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah so anyways why Johnny fixed out what you want to say it makes me think of like that

boostamante character we talked about him on BS yeah like demanding to go on like I can't believe broken up yeah and when he's a known op like like it couldn't be more obvious that he's an op yeah and it's just like the idea that you are owed to go on Rogan. And that is like, that's the ring from Lord of the Rings and it drives people nuts. I've seen people lose their minds because of it. Dr. Shiva went fucking, the fucking asshole. Won't have me on his show?

I was like, okay. Okay, Shiva. Shiva, I do rag. Yeah. Oh, and then don't forget. Where's he been, dude? Like, he's been, I haven't seen him at all. I don't know.

He's probably just telling more people he dated Frant Dresher. Oh, don't forget. I used to give the hot curry to friend Dr. Also, don't forget Bishop Larry Gators. He had a billion fucking views. I would like to get him back on. By the way, the I heart network, which just, you know, he had 100 million listeners on. They just did podcast awards.

What the fuck? Where's their nominations? Are we even on there? I don't know. I think it's just all podcasting. Or why he, why did he do it? But it's always, it's always liberals. Oh, and women.

It was like a hot show. It's like the greatest podcast. of all time ward goes to two chicks one cup you know and it's like yeah remember how those are simpler times right they I got to I got to defend them they heart just gave two chicks one

a cup I always got to have yeah of course no but I heart gave a breaking points an award why is why is that to you like a point for them no because it's pretty mainstream right I mean it's not part of IHart radio and they started off with rogue and stuff and they're pretty in the middle when they go higher side chats I'll realize that they're real

Look, look, yeah, I can't share this over to you. Look, actually, I'm going to, uh, you probably looked up the I heart. Just, just Google I heart podcast awards 2026. And then it's like a press release from Iheart is the first result. And Johnny, broken sin didn't even get a, uh, a nominee. We're the second best comedy podcast in the world, according to one guy. Yeah, according to that guy. Go to one guy.

Johnny, will you find that real quick so we can look at it? No, no, no. Did you Google it? Just Google it. Yeah. Just Google. I heart podcast awards, 2026. Don't go to the page, just Google.

Like, literally, and then the Google results, it'll be the first thing that comes up. Okay, look how he spelled heart. I don't have it up. I heart podcast awards, 26. Podcast awards. Let me see if it's fucking retard. Yeah, you are, dude. Go down to the results, though.

Which one is it? Yeah, it's that first thing, right there. The first one? Yeah. Look at that. No, look at the picture. Those are your winners right there. I mean, we had no chance.

Who are they? No idea. It's just a black chick, a hot chick. It's like, look at the new Avengers, everybody. And then some guy that looks like he's like jealous of Scott Beo. Yeah, go down. The top of what, oh, dude, call me daddy's always there. Fio Fonga on that point he was mainstream, isn't he? Pibolitori, of course. Like again, look who's not there.

The rest of history is good. Pyebol Torres, it finds it. The Wigger Giggly Squad, the chick who fucking ripped off fucking kin Condit. Go fuck yourself. The rest of history is the one thing. I'll attest you. Go up, go up. Who's,

who go up? Well, Hansom's great. It's, it's, it's, uh... Wait,

how is, it said Theo Von was nominated, but not for comedy? What was he nominated for? Best podcast. I guess you shouldn't do both. Both. Podcast of the year.

We got to nominate ourselves through this. I'm sorry, junkie. Like, I love that only one podcast. Imagine if you were the only one nominated and you lost. That would be terrible. They love,

boy, they love fucking call her daddy. They love that shit. They love that shit. Yeah. I know women that or... Go find Best Conspiracy Podcasts. Let's see how that's doing on...

Yeah, good luck with that. That category doesn't... They have fiction. It'll be Shane Dawson or whatever his name. That guy that used to YouTube, you know, that kind of does like light-hearted podcast. Oh, yeah. Shane Dawson, right? Was hitting up underage kids?

Yes, that guy. Best ad read? Whoa, wow. You got a Best Adread award. Fuck off. Fuck off. Show me anybody. better than our blue two ad i dare you by the way you were talking earlier this is trashed if

ben's carroll's okay look at the list yeah i'm sorry my ass sorry i didn't tell jumbass this is so you were talking earlier about how you have to be careful how you talk around people who aren't like like us and my girl sometimes when i'm just joking like i like i disagree with her or something i'll just say oh fuck off and she gets she gets so offended dude like i like she's thinking what did you fuck you. You're like, oh, that's how I talk to my friends. I'm sorry. It's still now, though, even after all these years, if I say that, she, like, reflex, like, breaks me out.

Yeah, girls hate that shit. They're like, I want to be your best friend. Okay, faggot. What? What? Why? Okay. Did I go to my events?

Go to my dates. I don't know what just happened. Go to my date. I'm going to be in Batavia tomorrow night. Raleigh, Atlanta, Hamilton, Toronto, Dallas, Fort Worth, Huntington Beach, Austin, Albuquerque. One thousand episodes coming up, sold outside guys. Lawrence, Tulsa, and then back at Austin. Also, if you go to Word War Debate, go to WordWard Debate.com, it's coming, dude.

Hopefully this week we'll have, or last week, we would have known if we got some big news. Hopefully it's coming out. And then we're debate contender series. We should, it's probably starting, it started on Sunday. So I think it started on the 22nd. That's why I think it is. If not, you can watch it live on the internet. It's going to blow up.

We're going hard in the pain. Hard in the paint, dude. Hard in the pain. Yeah. And that's it, dude. Let's fucking go. Samtribby.com. My premium content, I tell you all the time about,

I will put it up against any premium content, conspiracy content out there. What about Ben Shapiro's content? I mean, yeah, it's better. I'm going to go on and live and say it's better. Award nominee, Ben Shapiro. Unbelievable, dude. When you were in the room, like, what about Ben Shapiro?

Come on, really? He's Jewish. Okay, put him on there, dude. Whatever this is, awesome Picard. Brad Binkley, who is opening for me in Atlanta? No, okay. Someone hit me up. They want you to make their thumbnails.

How do they contact you for thumbnail work? Shut the fuck up. That's so mean, dude. I think they're good. I think they're good, too. I think they're fire. They're surprisingly. Hey, what's wrong with this one, though, Johnny?

You said he's not attacking the guy. I mean, he's cheating toward the camera, isn't he's not looking at the guy? It's called working the camera, Johnny. You don't know how. Maybe I can only shoot it sideways. That happens sometimes. You got to pee in it because it goes to wrong. You ever do that?

You just start peeing and it's just like, I'm going to go over. where they are. Do you ever take a shit, have to pee, but you're rock hard, so you push it down, and then you look down, you're pissing blood? Do you ever done that? Johnny, tell us about cash daddies. That was horrifying. It's happened.

That's not a joke. Twice. Twice. Talk to me about cash days. Oh, I would, that would scare the shit out of me if I pissed by. I mean, you don't even like shitting, so that would be awful for you. Piss blood? No, it's a Pissed blood.

What are you, a tool song? Piss blood and come on my money. Tool is so dark. They are so dark, but they're so good. You're like, oh, not today, Satan. Yeah, my best friend. Okay, go back. Cash Dendies is great.

Johnny's lost in my peat blood story. You got me. I have to say. Okay, just because I'm pissing blood. Go make some money. Keep going down. I will have news for you on the Chaos Twins very soon. Promise.

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the fat rack you should get some titty implants what size what size you should just go double d's double ds and watch our numbers go up could you could you do the podcast with me yeah I'd be like throwing up in my mouth I got to ask you something has as far as you know has anyone done the tattoo to get on BS oh because someone that has asked me nobody's done me yet you remind you haven't heard of anybody can you remind everybody what we're talking about no because I can't remember the tattoo I can't remember the tattoo I can't remember well yeah what was the tattoo going to be I don't know but somebody contacted me about it said that they wanted to do it but they wanted to make sure just asking what the

podcast what was it supposed to be it was something going to be something ridiculous I can't remember I was hoping you guys yeah I think you should if anyone gets a whereas what was it was oh yeah yeah yeah if you get that little guy yeah yeah just a little guy yeah you're right you don't have to get the thing you should yeah I get my news from Sam Triple no I want the whole thing that's hey do you remember when people were getting tattoos at Skangfest yeah I got one I know says Ronan that was a whole what did that guy get tattooed on him.

Do you know one of my cousin's friends got a tattoo of me with a tin full hat on? Really? As a skull? And she's like, he's see my new tattoo? He's like, is that my cousin? That's dark. That's a skull? Yeah.

Yeah. Because I put out a picture of that. Oh, oh, it was something that you put out. Remember that? What was that guy, Matt Devlin? I'll never forget his name because he got that punch drunk tattoo. What did it say on it? It was something horrible.

It was like my faggot or something. No, it's something like I love BBC or something like that. Yeah, it was something like that. Dude, let the guy like BBC, Johnny. Why is that horrible? That's not horrible. I'm glad for it. No, what do you mean?

I remember his name. I love the guy. He did that just to, we had a guy roll a hot dog on the bathroom floor at Walmart and eat it to get into fantasy. That was, boy, those were the glory days of punch trunk. These are the good old days. We should do one of those some, some year. Dude, I remember watching you, like hearing you guys and you guys would talk about the bag of the bag of a bag.

The bag of bets. The bag of bats. I was like, dude, I do not want friends like that. Which it has been located. But it sounded like fun. By the way, fun fact, I did all my bag of bats. I was the only one. Is that right, Johnny?

Jason Tebow ruined bag of bats by being a pussy. In a sense, he did. And in some vague sense, Sam did do all his bets. I mean, he would always... Okay, can I get to the thing I wanted to talk about, Johnny before you? I would just say you, you lawyered your way through the bag of bets. I still did them, though. Yeah, you did them.

Guys, so I told you this earlier in between the show. I got an email from basically Mr. Beast's company saying that they have picked me as one of their top content creators, and they want to bring me into their... And it's real. I'll look at it. I mean, I'll send to you guys. You guys tell me if you think it's real. Because I was just thinking I sent that one too, maybe.

I didn't send that other one, by the way. I wouldn't have done like a drawing or around. It just sounds like the kind of prank I would have been into around that time. So what is it's, is you're going to be on his channel? Are you going to participate in one of the challenges? Well, I wouldn't do that. But if there's a shit ton of views out there. What if, what happened?

Now, are you going to... I'll be on their one episode. They're like, you're not right for us. Now, are you going to suck his dick or is he going to suck your dick? I mean, I was going to suck it anyways. I didn't need to get on his fucking show. You wouldn't do one of the challenges? No.

For all the money that he's offering? No. You can go. If they asked me out. Hey, I got this Mexican with bad needs. You would be so good on reality. you're not a good actor, as you've said. I'm not talking out of school there. But reality TV, bro, you would be, I would love.

Johnny, why do you think I always make it into every doc that they, every time I get brought on a comedy doc, it's like doing a favor to somebody. I'm telling you, I'm like used the most. We got to, dude, I'm telling you, the past five years, 10 years of your life, if it was in, it would be the most popular reality show on television. Yeah. True. Like, no shit, man. It would be gripping. Now, the question is, and this is where I think it wouldn't work, is that I don't think you'd be open enough to make it work.

Like, you'd probably hide things and not. Yeah, my dick. I don't want anyone to see the size of my dick. That's why I didn't do Survivor. Which is crazy. Yeah. Like, he would be... Wait, have you got offered to do Survivor?

Yeah. Yes. Yeah, he did. Survivor in the heat days. Like, not like now... My buddy from high school is the guy who ran it. And you said no? No, because I have shrinkage.

Because he doesn't know that it was just one asshole who went naked. That's why you know who he is. He was famous. He was famous for being naked. Nobody else was naked on the show, just that one dick. I didn't want to be known as fucking baby dick triplet. You bring clothes. Do they have clothes that you wear?

You don't naked? Nobody told me that. Then he offered to put me on the amazing race with Notter. And I was like, I don't want to do it. But would you really, I mean, even then, though, Johnny, would you really do Survivor? Survivor? Survivor? Survivor?

Yeah, of course. You would do it? I don't think I could. It's not like a lot. Dude, people have seen enough sticks. They know that growers exist. No, dude. That guy who went swam in the fucking aquarium at like bass fishing came out with a baby dick and he just got destroyed.

You got to fluff it. You got to fluff it. What are you going to jerk it off while you're waiting? No, man. I can just get a little. Now you're getting public masturbation. I can just get a little thought, you know, and then just fluff it. No, but then a little thought.

What would you think of XG banging Iggy is hell? I was thinking a hand with us. She's like, Oh, a holoper? There must have been some... Did anybody ever bone on that show? Survivor?

I didn't watch it. Dude, why do you want to bang some granola? At that point, there's rocks and dirt and animals. Well, that's what I always thought about lost. Anytime they had, like, a romantic. A love scene? You're like, oh, that beaves taking a beating, dude. No, I'm just thinking how much they must stink, all of them.

Yeah, but at some point, everyone stunk and it meant nothing. Yeah, but that's, they were noseblind to it. I'm not nose. I just came from the modern society. Johnny, that's your new name, nose blind? Noose blind, yeah. Is that your Marvel comic superhero? Oh my God, noseblind is here.

What is his superhero? He can't smell. Yeah, that's great. The power of not smelling anything. I had a buddy in high school, I mean, in college, this giant dude, he was a great guy, and he couldn't smell. And he told you that he could smell bad stink. People would fart in his face. No, like if he was going down to chicken and a stank, he said it would start burning his skin.

What? That's weird. Oh, that's gross. You and me and Tom. It's disgusting. All right, guys. Yeah, so my question is, should I do the Mr. Beas thing? The answer is no.

Send it to me. Send it to Johnny first. Yeah. Johnny's going to go around and go, I'll do it. Maybe, no. There might be some scam out. I'm the main guy on Broken Sin, the number two biggest comedy podcast out there. No, you know, but I mean, I'll look up for you.

I just, I'm curious what, like, what the terms are. You know, like, if it's full autonomy and they're just throwing money at you to put it on their thing. Well, if they're like, we just need you to, you need to advertise Mr. Beasts. And we're like, hi, I want to tell you about our good friends, Mr. Bees' brain chips. Like, just put a chip in your brain. All right, back to Timphalo. Because we got to approach BS, and then they were interested in Timphill. I'm not going to say the name of the network, but that

popular, a very popular network that a lot of big podcasts are on. And I had a long call. Is that porn hub? Yeah, porn hub. It's it. Yeah. It's X2, actually. I don't want to say it. And they, we had a long call and everything sounded great. And then they got around to this.

Like, now we do have a problem with some of, we're looking at your titles here. Yeah. And I was just like, okay. if it wasn't even something that like they were just looking at the last episode that wasn't even that it was just like mentioned that scene or something yeah and i was like all right that's that's how that starts i mean if you're doing that on the pitch you know what's it going to be like once i've signed something no way bro john you should just do a podcast with them johnny's fucking i couldn't just do a podcast with johnny johnny just do a podcast you did uh quite frankly or what

was the show someone just d on me saying they're super excited to watch you on the latest show. I'm going to do it tomorrow. Okay, all you haven't done it? What is that? It's a buddy of my own. He's in the Northeast. He does a podcast and he put out this

hilarious clip. Yeah, quite frankly. His name's Frank. And he does, he put out a hilarious video that we showed on Doomscrowing yesterday about how there's this belief that aliens started circumcision

because only people who have fucking giraffe dicks over here can steal alien craft crabs so they start ripping our dick stuff? What? Yeah. What? You like attached to it or something with your foreskin? I don't know what it is but only Mr. Snuffelophagus

over here can get it. That's hilarious. Does your dick in there smell like horchata? No, you will clean it. Oh, what do you do get in there? Can you finger it? That's not, enough genital smell. That's why you shouldn't have a boy. You're not going to teach him how to clean it.

You would have got fired for Mr. Beast, like right for that, by the How would I teach him how to fucking clean a circumcised. First of all, you don't let him get it circumcised. That is not supposed to happen. And then second of all, you just teach him how to clean it. You pull it back and you clean it. I'm sorry to say, I'm still doing it. It's not science.

It's been doing... Are you uncircised, Johnny? I am circumcised. I'm the only course. I'm the only freak out of show. I'm the only goyam? No, I would be goyam, right? No, goyem. Am I cattle? Yeah. No, you're cattle. No, the Jews are all circumcised, yeah.

Yeah, they want, and they're going. And they Then we had to get our dick sucked as babies by rabbis. Yeah, at the bris. Yeah, they just talk, go, cool, co. The moel. Herpes isn't real. All right, enjoy the highlights. Sweating bullets on that one, huh?

Here's a clip from the latest broken sim. This, we found out now, I think, who we elected to the president. And it turns out it was Ted Cruz. Check this out. We voted for Donald Trump, but this is, this asshole is who we got. So, This Canadian piece of shit. True.

Yeah, he's a Canadian piece of shit. Like, I got, like, dude, what is, I mean, like, at any point do we go just, hey, enough with the crazy? Can we rain it in? Just a little bit. In Iran, you were literally with President Trump the day before the strikes happened. Talk about the conflict in Iran. You were literally with President Trump the day before the strikes. Sounds weird, Johnny.

You're not hearing it? Hold on. No, I'm hearing it, but I'm hearing an echo. Yeah. yourself. Can you explain to us what the reasoning and the rationale are for this war? Sure. Look, I urge the president to launch this attack. As you noted, I was with him pretty much the entire day on Friday. I wasn't on the front lines. I was in the White House. And so we were on Air Force 1. We were flying down to Texas to Corpus Christi at a big event planning Corpus Christi. So I was on

the plane with him. And then he asked me to hop in in the beast, the presidential linone. He asked me to hump him to two of us one on one. And pretty much the whole time, he was asking me what I thought we should do on Iran. And I said, look, I think we should we should not miss this moment. I think the regime is weaker than it ever has been. And we have an opportunity. If we can collapse this regime, America will be much, much safer. There are very few things on planet Earth that would do more to make, improve American national security as much as seeing this regime collapse. And he asked me in The Beast,

he said, well, look, do you think we should negotiate further? And I said, no. I said, I don't believe they're negotiating in good faith. They are liars. I think the Ayatollah just wants to delay and delay and delay while they rebuild. And I said, as far as I'm concerned, the only deal you should be willing to take is the same deal you offered Maduro.

And Trump offered Maduro if he wanted to leave the country. he could go into exile and he would be allowed to live out the rest of his days if he we got to punch his wife in the face one time and maduro said no and i suspect maduro regrets saying no now and i said i could live with that deal for the iatola to give him and the mullahs the same choice you can leave and allow a new regime to come to power in iran or if you don't leave the alternative is going to be a less than pleasant so can we just start off by the most annoying thing about Ted Cruz is his T-Rex arms. I mean, he has the

I mean, it's so annoying. He's always like, and I'm just saying, okay, what I, and it's like, how does he wipe his fat ass with those tiny ass arms? I mean, he reach around far enough to get in his bunghole to, with those tiny, tiny arms of his. That's your takeaway.

It's so freaking annoying. I hate it, dude. Every time he talks, he, like, he, like most people like, This is like bad arm. That's as far as Ted Cruz can go with his fucking arms. I just don't even know. He probably can't even cover his other tip with his arm because it's so short.

It's so annoying to me. It just drives me nuts. Watch the. Watch the Tucker Carlson. He's like, oh, look how short those tiny arms are right. He's got little chicken wings.

Dude, it's so annoying to me when fat people have short arms. Especially fat Zionist. There's so much troubling about it. Okay, so it tells you that... T-Rex maxing. He's T-Rex-Maxing. Despite what the president says, or has told us,

he did not know what the hell he was going to do until the very last minute. Because he was having this guy in the car with him up until he made the decision to go in. So he hadn't decided. There was no resolution about this. It was whoever, it's what they've said about this guy since the beginning. Trump. whoever has his ear last is who who has the most sway over him. And I mean, you, if it's Ted Cruz, you're getting Ted Cruz.

If you voted for Donald Trump, you got Ted Cruz as your president. Congratulations. I mean, dude, just imagine being Ted Cruz sitting there talking about war. When you know during the election, he just lit you up so badly. Cucked him. Yeah. I mean, just cucked him, dude. Just took him in his little arms, bent him over and just got deep, knuckle deep.

in there, dude. And that's trust him now. He trusts him on Iran because dude, listen, he's been inside me and he's a gentle lover. So I trust this guy. He didn't hurt me going so deep. It's just so, I mean, I didn't, I never liked the president. I have to say, I never had faith in him. But for a while, it seemed like maybe he was going to, just to spite the left was going to do some really good shit. And I mean, he just pissed.

I don't even want to dwell on. He's just pissed. So, Johnny, this is the whole thing. It's just like, you know, like he didn't even know what he was doing. Maybe. Or this is all prophesized and part of the plan. It ain't his plan, though, dude. No, no, no, no.

I'm not saying it's his plan. I think he's part of the prophecy. And he's just getting pushed along as part of this ridiculous BS that these crazy fucking hockey puck head fucking Js are pushing on. everybody. See, it was interesting. Jay Dyer was, he didn't seem to think that they had as much power as you suggest. And I, you know, I respect him. He's very knowledgeable on it. But when you see them constantly at the White House with him, all the freaking time. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at YouTube.com

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