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Starting point is 00:01:38 day to the madness is done! We wanted to give you a little fun episode. We get very deep with our boy, Ike Baker. I mean, this is a deep conversation on the esoteric and the occult teachings. I think you guys are occult teachings and Christianity. I loved it. I thought it was a great episode. Let's get into it. All right. He's back. He's got a new book out called the Formless Fire, Rediscovering the Magical Traditions of the West. Very excited to have him back on. Always a pleasure to talk to him. Please welcome to the show. Back to the show. Ike Baker. How are you buddy? Excellent. Thanks for having me, Sam. Hope you're doing well too.

Starting point is 00:02:19 Brother, I'm blessed. Life is good. You know, obviously in all life there is some turbulence, but the plane tends to land. I appreciate you coming back. It's been a little while since we talked. What's new? Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself for those who don't remember your last appearance and tell us a little bit about where they can find your book. Sure. So my name is I like Baker and I basically a content producer, independent scholar of Western esotericism. So that's the traditions of the esoteric West like alchemy, astrology, ceremonial magic, initiation, particularly. I am a Freemason. Oh, dangerous.

Starting point is 00:03:03 Yeah. I'm also an adept of the Hermetic order of the golden dawn. I've run the Asheville North Carolina temple there. Uh, I'm a Martinist. Um, and just a general initiate of these traditions. Um, my, my, um, all are welcome by the way. I would like to talk to everybody. You know, I have a, I have a couple buddies of mine. They're like, I'm Freemason. I'm like, you know what? I still love you. I don. You know, I have a couple buddies of mine. They're like, I'm free Mason. I'm like, you know what? I still love you. I don't, I, I think like every group is just like the, the base is just regular people for the most part. And then you get to the higher levels and then maybe it starts to get a little weird. I don't know, man.

Starting point is 00:03:41 I mean, yeah, I mean, there's, I think we talked about this last time, but maybe let's revisit it. But there's people in every organization. It's like, it's something like Freemasonry in particular, when it's, we don't have a unified sort of headquartered thing in Blue Lodge Masonry. Each state has its own jurisdiction. So there's really no unification. The closest thing we come to that is called amity, which means, okay, we shake hands, we agree that, okay, we recognize you, you can come visit us. And it's that kind of thing, to be honest with you at the upper echelons. I mean, the biggest thing that you have is maybe like a Grand Lodge dinner and stuff like that. So it's difficult to point to something and say like, you know, there's this really secret, nefarious head of Freemasonry. I'm not saying that might not exist in certain jurisdictions because there's, you know, there's certainly shitty people in every sector. But for the most part, what you will encounter in your Masonic Lodge is pasta dinners, fundraising, prayer, and other forms of charity. It's really

Starting point is 00:04:43 not that exciting. and it's certainly the least esoteric thing in terms of the general community and community discourse, probably the least esoteric order of which I'm a part. So I don't think people need to be scared. Yeah, I just, you know, for me, it's just like there's so much of like people just, my biggest problem with any kind of like way people view people is this kind of blanket statement about everybody. And it's like, everything is about like,

Starting point is 00:05:12 keep it simple, stupid. And I think when it comes to people, that is very dangerous. It's why political correctness reigns with the retards, right, like the idiots out there. they just love to plug and play everything I had a good friend of mine the other day. I love this person to death and The pieces I love her and you know, she was just she texts me out No where we just started talking and then she goes who you vote for I go I don't know. I am probably not gonna vote for either of them to be honest with you, but you know, um, she's like, I'm voting for Kamala. I'm like, why? And she goes, cause she's a woman.

Starting point is 00:05:52 I go, I like, that's the, I go, that is by far the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. Just give me a reason. That's all I'm saying. You could vote for it if you want to. I think it's stupid, but if you could actually say to me outside of this kind of like haunted house, fright night, you know, oh, he's a Nazi and he's going to deport, uh, black guys, you know, or whatever the weird ideas that are out there now. Like if you gave me a legit react, okay, go vote for that. If you think they're going to do the job. That's why I'm talking about blanket statements. Oh, all women are great. We wouldn't be in war if there was a woman running.

Starting point is 00:06:30 Just like, it's really dumb. It's really dumb. Yeah, I mean, the thing is like, people say all the time, like, so, you know, are these things cults that you're a part of? And, you know, my blanket statement is no, but at the end of the day, like, everything now is a cult. If you don't realize that America is basically an anti-human death cult at this point, there's

Starting point is 00:06:49 probably something fucking wrong with you. But you know, like everybody's in a call in some way or form. Like the Yankees are letting that guy back in who grabbed the ball. Like that's a call you're letting it, you know, so everything's a call in my opinion. Yeah, I mean that's the whole thing. It's like how do you define these things? But at the end of the day, what we are is we focus on esotericism, which is the sort of core behind the outer trappings, which complicate things like religion. We don't want to live in a world that is a spiritual. We want to, you know. We want to discover spirituality

Starting point is 00:07:26 and bring it back practically into our lives and our neighborhoods. And that's why we do what we do. And that's one of the reasons why I wrote the book is to clarify to people that are sort of on the fence or don't really know about it what esotericism is, where it comes from contextually, historically, theoretically, what we think is happening. Do we think it's like Harry Potter, wand waving shit? No, absolutely not. There's elements of psychology. There's all sorts of stuff that you really need to know to contextualize your foundation. Okay. Couple things real quick. One is I'm very open-minded to it all, you know

Starting point is 00:08:05 I've been on this this show in December will be I think eight years old, you know So I've been on a real journey with it like spiritually my base This is for me Jesus Christ his teachings, which is love right love love thy neighbor Love other people help other people that that to me is what I'm all about But I'm open-minded to everything else. I'm really not into Organized religion. I'm not against any organized religion. I just want love and helping others and all that stuff I have a lot of love and respect for Christianity It resonates with me, but I'm also open-minded to that. There's more going on

Starting point is 00:08:44 in the past that that there's more going on in the past that there's been a manipulation of the data and the history to kind of present to us a thought that will silo us into a certain way of looking at things and not being open-minded to that there may be more to it. And that's kind of where I am right now on my journey. Yeah, I think that's great, man. I mean, I'm a Christian. I tell everybody that all the time. Well, I would say maybe like 50% of the people that come across in the occult community are like, you can't be an occultist and a Christian. And then like 50% of the people that I come across in the Christian community, we're like, you can't be an occultist and a Christian. But I'll tell you

Starting point is 00:09:24 what, you know, like there's only one person who can tell me whether or not or it can be a Christian and that's Christ. And, you know, he, again, like yourself, all are welcome. All are welcome. In one of the gospels, somebody approaches him and says like, you know, you're a rabbi, right? You're a teacher. You have these great insights. Why are you hanging out with these thieves and with the prostitutes, the scum of society? And he's like, you know, sick people need a doctor. Well people, people who are well don't need a doctor, you know, that kind of dichotomy. So it's like everybody is welcome to the light of Christ. And the people who try to tell you, try to sell you on this idea that it's for the reserved few and have to give you all these rules and conditions,

Starting point is 00:10:11 they're full of shit and they're espousing and really embodying the antithesis of the Christian ethos. I mean, Christ even says, you know, there are only a few things you need to do, right? The two great commandments are to love God with all your soul and all your being and to love thy neighbor as thyself. And then the last thing that he says is, if any of my followers would be worthy of me, they must pick up their cross and follow me in my way. So that self-sacrifice, follow me in my way. So that self-sacrifice that right he treads the Via Dolorosa to the cross on Calgary, the way of tears, you know, the way of sorrow really, that's the way of self-sacrifice

Starting point is 00:10:52 that will enable you to keep on giving love and elevating your neighbor and doing that self-abnegation. So I think when you start talking about how, uh, you know the way and your pastor knows the way and your Bishop or your Pope knows the way you're just taking, you're taking Christ's light and you're putting it in the hands of, of an individual on it, it will indeed. It already has corrupted. Yeah. I see it for sure.

Starting point is 00:11:21 So you have this new book out. Uh, it's pretty exciting. What's the feedback been? And what do you want to get into? I'm excited to talk to you. I love these conversations. Yeah, I mean, the feedback has been fantastic. It's a small, we released it through a small Masonic publishing

Starting point is 00:11:42 company out of Phoenix, Arizona called Tria Prima Press. They've done some really exciting and groundbreaking releases so far. They've put out stuff by Jamie Paul Lamb and P.D. Newman. Just excellent material. My project was they basically told me I could write about anything and they would publish it. I said, well, if I'm going to write about anything that I want to write about everything. So I really covered some ground. And my main thesis is essentially that magic, as we understand it, it's an outcropping or an outgrowth, a natural evolution from this ancient idea that the soul had fallen into materiality.

Starting point is 00:12:25 So it's related to the, you know, Neoplatonic, Platonic, Hermetic, and even Christian Gnostic, early Christian sects. It's all related. I mean, the earliest depictions of Jesus are him waving a wand. He was a magician. And he tells his disciples, all these things and more will you accomplish, will you do? More than what I have done, you will eventually do. And he was a miracle worker, you know? And so all this stuff, these powers that we have that are accessible to us, that are innate to the human being, have to be rediscovered, really. And they're there, they're hardwired, they're baked into our history.

Starting point is 00:13:05 But they're not taught. But you can still find them. And what I've tried to do is I've tried to place them all in one repository for the earnest seeker, somebody who's trying to figure out how all these things come together. We have a very romanticized idea about early paganism as well. The early pagans believed that the soul was in this kind of existential dilemma. Yeah, you know, we're trapped here and I'd better pray to Zeus or he's going to wipe the floor with my ass. Or, you know, stuff like that. It's like we're in trouble. How do we pull ourselves up out of this, you know, being mired in materiality?

Starting point is 00:13:40 And there's, I mean, there's a whole trajectory in the Platonic tradition. You don't get taught in school that Socrates had a spirit that talked to him. You don't get taught in school that Plato in the Republic, in Book 10 of the Republic, talks about an ancient near-death experience where this dude dies on the field of battle and leaves the fucking universe. And he sees like the great karmic mechanism of the universe, it's this gigantic rainbow-colored spindle that just comes barreling down through the center of all worlds and all universes.

Starting point is 00:14:10 It's some of the trippiest shit in the world to read, Plato, but nobody teaches it to you like that. But so you basically have his 35 dialogues, which is a miracle in and of itself, preserved for 2,500 years perfectly. And that's really where in the Western esoteric tradition, all this stuff, this stuff, this boils down. So around 332 BCE, you've got Alexander the Great,

Starting point is 00:14:34 whose teacher was Aristotle, whose teacher was Plato. It's a line of succession. It's a line of transmission. Aristotle conquers Persia. Persia had conquered Egypt for about 200 years. He wins Egypt like that. And that's when we get this beautiful flowering synthesis of ceremonial magic, the beginnings of modern alchemy, the beginnings of modern astrology, divination and things like that. So that's kind of what I was trying to put together, but it all there's- I love all this. Yeah. I mean, there's certainly an esoteric Christian element that comes out of that.

Starting point is 00:15:08 Truly, I mean, what we understand about Christianity being something that is quintessentially Judaic, and it's false. That's a false. That is a false supposition. It's more Greek, ancient Greek, Hellenistic, actually, Gre-Egyptian, than it is Jewish. It comes from this Jewish tradition that was intermingled around the first century, right? The time when Jesus comes into the world, so to speak, the Christ event. They intermingled with the Hellenized Egyptians, so the Greco-Egyptian people. At that time, the population of Alexandria, Egypt, which was under the Greek rule of the Ptolemies was 40% Jewish. And it's from this period that we start to see this sort of theurgic,

Starting point is 00:15:52 cosmic sort of this Christ consciousness come into bloom. So, I mean, it's all related and I do my best to show that there with scholarly evidence. I'm not just pulling this stuff out of my ass. I didn't channel this stuff. The evidence is there. I love that, dude. I just, I pray to God all the time. Just let me know the truth, dude. I just show me what the history is. I would just love that. God could just come down and just, Hey dude, this is what happened Don't listen all this stuff. It'd be I'd be so into it, dude Just let me know and you know, I have a lot of great people. I'm blessed I I do shows with I listen to Johnny Cash read the Bible and we discuss it and I I love all of it I have people sending me, you know, Shane Cashman sent me this

Starting point is 00:16:42 this Bible audio book. I'm going to start listening to that. Because I never actually sat down and understood the words of the Bible. I've always taken it through second, third hand words. Like people tell me what was in the Bible and then tell me the interpretation of the Bible.

Starting point is 00:17:01 And there's a bunch of people that were blessed to listen to the show that thinks that Christianity is a Psyop that we've had guests on that talk about. It's, it's used in a kind of a, a Jesus Christ is kind of a Q figure to get us to kind of like sit back and wait for someone to come save us. I don't know, man. I, I just go with my gut and I don't feel that. Yeah. I don't feel that. It doesn't resonate with me.

Starting point is 00:17:29 Well, Jesus never said sit around and wait for me. We already discussed what he said. You got a lot of work to do on the earth, right? I mean, he charges his disciples with spreading the gospel, right? The gospel means what? The good news of you know, of the resurrection and, and, and, and being charged with, with loving our neighbor and treating them as ourselves, which is probably one of the hardest fucking things to do while you're on this earth, you know, especially there's more and more people. It's just like this fractal compounding of just people everywhere. Um, and, and we're, we're being stuffed into this, like sort of vertical density in these cities and stuff,

Starting point is 00:18:05 which is basically, I mean, it's, it's a quasi animalistic living. We're just living on a dude. I think they're free range psych wards. I think they're free rating reg reservations, like what they did to the natives. They're doing to us, but we don't see it because we think, you know, it's like when you, how many times guys have you left Los Angeles, New York, and you're like, think, you know, it's like when you, how many times guys have you left Los Angeles, New York, and you're like, Johnny, you're in your small town. You're like, man, it's, I'm bored. You know, there's, there's not a lot going on here. And then you run right back and like,

Starting point is 00:18:34 you're just saturated in, in sex, drugs, alcohol, all these things that really are like adding to this kind of visible jail that surrounds you that you really don't even understand that is kind of controlling what you do. And I'm a victim of that as well. Obviously my addictions are very well documented. I talk about it all the time in hopes other people will see that they can get out of their own way. I still struggle with some, but man, we're, we're just drowning in vices here. And that's done on purpose. I feel that all the time.

Starting point is 00:19:12 FOMO fear of missing out. Joe, you can't have fear of missing out when there's nothing going on where you're at. Yeah. I get fear of missing out. Cause all my friends are here. There's a Dodger game. There's a sports bar down the street. So you're in vice to do it because fear of missing out.

Starting point is 00:19:24 Your friends are there. Everybody's there. Are you going to chase pussy?'re in vice to do it because fear missing out your friends are there Everybody's now are you gonna chase pussy? Are you gonna are you gonna get drugs? Are you gonna do a gacker in the bathroom? Are you all these things to me and dude granted? I fully participate in all those Like just get you farther away from self in my humble opinion there. They're quick fixes to take you out of yourself Yeah, I mean so we were just in Egypt, a group of 23 of us, and we'll talk about this a little later, but I just, I co-organized and co-founded something called the Hermopolis Symposium.

Starting point is 00:19:55 And we were in the deserts of Minya, Egypt, for about, I wanna say a week, and we're passing the scenery where there's these Egyptian people in these lush, beautiful little plots of land, the most verdant green, and they have these irrigation systems and they're using these primitive-looking tools to harvest certain cabbages and stuff, and then just surrounded by desert. And I said to my buddy, Jamie Lamb, this scenery hasn't changed much in like 2000 years. This would be, this probably looks exactly the way it did. And then he turns to me and he's like, you know, I think it would be a good life. And the truth is we got down to it, like both of us, you know, we know rationally that that life is, would be like the best, purest life. But the thing is, like, we have been, we've hyper-evolved in the direction of our, of like, you know, I guess just this twisted, this inversion of the soul that we, even though we know that's probably what's best for us, we wouldn't be able, we're not equipped to handle a simple life. And that's actually something that I discuss in my book.

Starting point is 00:21:05 There was a second century philosopher, big, big guy on the scene. His name was Plotinus. And he was a Greco-Egyptian philosopher working in the Platonic tradition of philosophy. They call him the father of Neoplatonism because his philosophy was so innovative at the time that it, it, it, it, scholastically, you know, because that's a retrospective sort of title, scholastically or academically, it's, it's worthy of, of note in terms of being something kind of new, something kind of an innovation. And he basically says this to say about the soul. The soul descends into materiality, and it becomes sort of attached, as it were, to matter, which is its body. Now, the soul is bright and luminous, and the soul is eternal. The soul comes from an eternal realm where it knows and participates in God, but it descends into an area that is not eternal, that is finite, that really God is occluded from. We can't really see much evidence right out of the gate. We don't look upon the face of God as it were. It's in a very veiled way. And this realm has its demands, right? Finitude, something that has a beginning, a growth period, an apex, a decay and death. It's subject to things like survival.

Starting point is 00:22:17 It's subject to things like hunger. It's subject to things like the procreative urge. And none of those things are bad in and of themselves per se. But it's antithetical to the soul's nature. So like we say, you know, the material inclination binds like a rope, the once far wandering soul into a very narrow place. And so what happens is when the soul becomes confused and begins to identify with the body and the demands of the body and follows those demands to its own ends, instead of being like a sort of a judge and a just ruler over and said, no, this far and no further do we go. But when we really stoop down and descend into that world of appetites, tides. You know, survival becomes greed. Hunger becomes gluttony. Procreative love becomes lust. And then what happens? We have now become bound and changed to something that is actually inferior

Starting point is 00:23:14 to our nature. And we become inheritors of a dying world, when in truth, our essence is life itself. So there's much more at stake here, because what Plotinus says is now if the soul turns back quickly and reverts itself back upward and desires union with God, it's going to be okay. But the problem is that if the soul spends too much time wandering in the darkness of the outer world, it becomes conditioned. It becomes conditioned by its experience in materiality. And that essentially is hell. Think about like all your lusts and you think about all your greed and all your desires. Well, that is fire, bro. That's such fire right there. What happens if you die tomorrow and you have no physical way of fulfilling those things. It's just you, your soul tainted by it. Really, it's just gluttony and it's excess with no way to express those things. That is, if you believe in the continuity of consciousness,

Starting point is 00:24:13 that is hell. Damn, dude. You got to get your affairs right before you pass so your soul isn't stuck in hell. Yeah, man. That's real interesting to me dude. That totally makes sense. Hey guys, real quick I want to tell you about our boy James McMahon and Copy My Crypto. Listen guys, has it pissed you off to watch crypto fly up in prices for a decade and you still have done nothing about it. It makes sense.

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Starting point is 00:27:14 you know and then he was hooked on drugs and you know I kind of talked to him about it and through his own you know hard work he kicked the drug abuse. he's almost got a year, and he's got out of that lifestyle. And I just saw him tweet today that like the more the more spiritual he gets the less he loves, the less he lusts. And I go that's some high vibrational shit right there dude. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And I mean like it goes so Plato's whole idea of like, so we're in this kind of ignorant state, which we can all kind of attest to. We don't get the rules, the real rules when we're born. We get like the rules that our parents kind of just and our neighbors and our institutions kind of just bought into. So but Plato basically says some people are bound to be philosophical and come to the light. That's the whole idea of the allegory of the cave, which I'm sure most people are familiar with. But his whole thing is like, okay, so you realize that you're ignorant.

Starting point is 00:28:10 You realize that you're chained to it in a dark cave and watching these shadows on the wall, and it's a fake reality. But how do you elevate? And his idea was to you have to contemplate God, which he called to Agathon, the good, because it was the greatest possible good, the source of all goodness, of all light and all life, really. And you had to contemplate that. And his idea was that no person could fully understand after contemplating God, you know, like, you contemplate God, you contemplate the good, and you come to an understanding of its appearance and its

Starting point is 00:28:42 manifestation and its nature. After that, no person could ever really err again. You couldn't dip into, you know, really there'd be no way for you to become as ignorant, to go back out into that outer darkness, right? Because where there is light, there can be no darkness, right? When you shine a light, the shadow's gone. That's incredible. I'm with you on that. And it's just like to be able to condition yourself not to go back to those things that brought you silent pain and suffering. Yeah. But you got to keep your headspace right. Like you were saying, you know, you have to

Starting point is 00:29:22 constantly reorient yourself upward because another idea from these traditions is that the soul's essential nature is Eros, which some people are going to confuse with sexual desire. But really what we mean in philosophical sense is just desire in and of itself, right? As human beings, we want things. We want stuff. Sometimes we want, those things are less tangible. We want security, we want happiness. Sometimes those things are physical. We want a new car. We want a good looking spouse or something like that, or even a faithful spouse. But the soul always wants something.

Starting point is 00:30:00 It's really not intent any time it gets those things because that itch that it's trying to scratch that it can't is actually a remembrance of God and its union to God. So the whole idea is to take that desire because it's a powerful fuel, which, you know, if you have a desire to be a stand-up comedian, you have a desire to be an actor, you have a desire to be a writer, that desire can push you on against all odds and you can succeed against all odds because it's so powerful a motivator. But now if you orient that upward and your desire becomes the spiritual, the best kind of focal point or goal for this energy, this desire, this Eros. That's, you know, it's like, it's so funny right now, a good friend of mine is kind of in the public eye right now with a joke he did about Puerto Rico at Trump's. And when you talk about this kind of like this drive, I mean, there's no better example of that than Tony Hinchcliffe and his drives and his belief

Starting point is 00:31:13 in himself to get to get to exactly where he wanted to be, which is at the Trump rally, you know, making jokes about Puerto Ricans. And, you know, and it's just like such an interesting time because, you know, that I don't think there's a, there's a scandal if it wasn't at that exact moment, at that exact time in this time in our country. And that's exactly what you talk about. This kind of the will to this to happen, but it's also this kind of will to like get closer to God And it's like regardless of whatever you believe like there's gonna be people that like I'm over the religious stuff I get it

Starting point is 00:31:54 But like what do you believe in like what do you believe like we're just you just think we're like monkeys on a rock Hurling through space and like all this crazy kind of detail in the world just randomly had like, it makes no sense to me, dude. It makes no sense to me. What you're saying is that we, that this just randomly, this beautiful meal was made with no creator making it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the whole thing, especially, this isn't my quote, but I love it. I heard it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that. That's the whole thing, especially I

Starting point is 00:32:26 didn't, this isn't my quote, but I love it. I heard it years ago. The issue with science is that it breaks several of its first rules right out of the gate, right? It says, give me one free miracle and I'll explain the rest. So it's like, you know, like, it's like, we're not even off on a good foot here. You had to break, you had to break several of your rules to even fucking exist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:47 It's so crazy to me. So, so let's get into what you want to talk about, man. I feel like you've answered my question. I want everybody to understand it. You had this conference, you put together your own suicide squad to go out there and, and just kind of figure it all out. Take us through this man cuz I Love it. You know, it's like, you know, I was on Rogan

Starting point is 00:33:08 We talked about the pyramids and you know, I kind of go along with him, you know I'm working my way back into kind of where I can Insert myself a little bit more. I think that the the history of the Egyptians is Is like way deeper. Like who knows how deep that, I mean, we see things that look like the Sphinx all over the world on top of mountains that go way deeper. But we think that's where it stops.

Starting point is 00:33:37 And I think it just, you know, we, what's the saying somebody said on the show? We live on the shoulders of giants. Yeah. And that's kind of, so when we get into this, I just think it's so much deeper than, than maybe some people want to think it is. Yeah. Well, I mean, like everything that I wrote in about in my book, and I'm like the first person to say this is that what we, we have a really nicely preserved tradition in the writings of the ancient Greeks.

Starting point is 00:34:08 We don't necessarily get that in the Egyptians, right? Not a lot of people know how to read the hieroglyphs. And it's just people seem to be more interested in the Greek stuff because our minds as modern people are closer to the Greek mind. The Egyptian worldview was one of total holism. Everything was a complete miracle to them. They saw the gods in everything. So it's more difficult for our translators with like this postmodern sort of bifurcation of left and right hemisphere to borrow a simplified analogy. They're not gonna, you know, how do you get like an academic to

Starting point is 00:34:43 really kind of translate this beautiful poetry, you know, when they have nothing of an artist in them? So that was the whole thing that the Egyptian brain, the Egyptian way of seeing the world is much closer to the way like a really almost what we would consider sort of fringy, you know, maybe idiosyncratic kind of, you know, fringy artists might be viewing the world. So to get an academic to translate that stuff is hard, but the thing is we have the Greeks saying, all of our best and brightest were trained by the Egyptians. All of them, Plato, Thales, Solon, Pythagoras, they all had training in Egypt. And when they got back from Egypt, they were basically fucking wizards. You know, so there was definitely something going on there and to be in that land, as we were for the past week, I got back like yesterday, was unbelievable. There are mysteries

Starting point is 00:35:36 there that, I don't know, they're like soul haunting. You know, you look, you stand there and just look at the pyramid or the first, this was my first time inside the Great Pyramid, actually, and you're just looking at you're like, how the shit was this built? Why was this built? And we don't have good answers, really. I have a friend of mine named Carl Hayden Smith, who was actually, he's a researcher from the UK, he was with us for the symposium. And he does a lot of kind of like resonance experiments and neurological experiments in the great chamber or in the King's chamber, the great pyramid. So he's doing some really interesting work there and he was with us for the conference. So essentially myself and Dr. Myrvot Abdel Nasser, who 15 years ago, she created this little heritage site at an eco-village called the New Hermopolis right outside the ruins of the ancient city of Hermopolis Magna. We decided that we were going to found this conference called the Hermopolis Symposium and we got some of the foremost scholars in the world is an international conference as well as practitioners. So in the fields of esotericism and Western philosophy and general culture. So we have

Starting point is 00:36:54 professors like Volter Hannegraaf from the University of Amsterdam, who's the history of hermeticism and related currents. We had Dr. Shannon Grimes from Meredith College, who wrote a wonderful book with Rubedo Press. Aaron Cheek, who's a scholar from New Zealand, Dr. Gregory Shaw. Dr. Charles Stang, who's the head of Harvard Divinity School's Center for the Study of World Religions. All these great minds were there, and then we brought in astrologers like Jamie Paul Lamb, Soledad Davies. We brought in ceremonialists like myself, Robert Gordon. It was just incredible. There were about 23 of us. And we sat there with no audience because we have a digital track stream. we were so remote, there'd be no way to broadcast

Starting point is 00:37:45 live. So we recorded all of it and that's going to be for sale very soon, but to view the proceedings of the conference. But we basically sequestered and gave each other presentations for four days straight. And then we ended it with this gigantic symposium where we discussed like going forward, what does academia, what does education look like in the light of what we call hermetic esotericism, which is that kind of Greco Egyptian esotericism and what are the whole... Let me, can I ask you something real quick? Because this is a question I have.

Starting point is 00:38:20 Hermes, are we talking Hermes here? Hermetic principles? Yeah, we're talking Hermes, but really we're talking Hermes Trismegistus. Now should we be concerned that Hermes is the son of, who's his father, the great hunter from the Bible? What is his name? Johnny? Who's the great hunter in the Bible? What's his name? Fuck. I can't believe it. I mean, I wouldn't really say that this has anything to do with- Like Nimrod? Nimrod, right. Nimrod. Should we be concerned with that? because what Nimrod represents in terms of the, you know, Babel

Starting point is 00:39:08 and all that stuff. Well, I wouldn't say that the Hermes we're talking about has anything to do with with the Bible, particularly the Old Testament in that way. Really what we have here in Hermes Trismegistus, which we call the Hermetic literature, is we have the Greek god Hermes, right? So when, I'll put it this way, when the Greeks came to Egypt to conquer them in the conquest of Alexander the Great, they basically, they loved the Egyptians already. It's like we've been working with you guys for years. You guys basically gave us, you know, that spark that led us on to great philosophy and great civilization. So we want you guys to flourish and we see that there's a consonance. There's there's an agreement between our ideas, your ideas, our gods, your gods.

Starting point is 00:39:54 Right. So they basically said, oh, there's sort of this one to one here. Our Hermes is your thought. The scribe god, the god of literature, music, art, magic, great ideas, learning, right? So then you have this religio-philosophical textual tradition, a philosophical tradition that is attributed to this sort of mythical figure named Hermes Trismegistus, who was thought to be the great patron and teacher of these arts to people. But what they did was, in order to give themselves not just legitimacy, but to point to the fact that this book is related to this textual tradition,

Starting point is 00:40:38 they just attributed to Hermes Trismegistus. So I could write something as maybe, let's say, a priest in that era, having to do with music or the arts or astronomy. And I wouldn't write because there's no financial gain. It's not like the writing today where everything's about credit and, oh, look at me and talk to my manager. It wasn't about that. We weren't making any money. So they wanted to contribute to a canon of literature that was enriching their civilization for generations to come. And they also wanted to sort of minimize the self, right? It's not about the messenger. It's the message.

Starting point is 00:41:09 And so they basically said, okay, this was written by Hermes Trismegistus. That's the Hermes we're talking about. And that's where we get the word hermetic. So, but the thing is the hermetic traditions, like the dude that Joe had on to talk about like the cabalion, like no offense to him or anything, but that I mean, that was like that was like fucking preschool shit, you know, like, like that was like entry level Oprah book club kind of shit. So it was not not necessarily like the really, the really rigorous erudite understanding of what hermeticism is. The Kabbalion actually is not hermetic. I would say that there are far greater, and most scholars and practicing occultists would agree with me. So we want to be really clear on the type of hermetic philosophy we're talking about.

Starting point is 00:41:58 But essentially it's this Greco-Egyptian priestly magical tradition. So basically to sum it up, those two aren't the same hermetic, Hermes is that what we're talking about here? Yeah totally. Okay respect. Totally different, totally different but sort of the hermetic tradition for us is about this idea of you know unity and what you're talking about really. I mean, people, there's this whole like non-dual thing going on right now. And people will talk about non-duality. And I'm not saying that they're wrong or off base necessarily in terms of essence. But the problem

Starting point is 00:42:36 is that they use it just to check out a society, like to just, you know, they use it more like as a, as a mood modifier and something to like, I don't know, regulate their nervous system. And it's not really this philosophical way of life. And actually, I've seen it be used to justify really shitty behavior. I would say that there's, right, even though like everything comes from a source, everything goes back to that source. When we're alive here in the universe, in the physical material realm, you're going to have duality, you're going to have multiplicity, whether you like it or not. You're going to be a human being until you're dead.

Starting point is 00:43:16 So the idea is, how do you live in duality with unity in mind? And there's one answer, love. That's it, right? Love is the unifying field. It's the unifying force that wants to bring things together instead of push them apart. So it's like we want to take the Hermetic philosophy and apply that in the real world, especially now when people think that they're spreading the gospel of love and really what they're pushing is divisiveness, which is the antithesis of love. Yeah, I've been a little guilty of that lately on Twitter,

Starting point is 00:43:55 like teeing off on people. I just, I feel like one of my favorite comics of all time is George Wallace and he's just tweeting the most retarded shit right now. And I usually don't comment on other comics, but man, it's crazy. But you're right. I'm not, I'm not using love anymore. I'm not, I need to do that. I need to, I need to use love. Well, I mean, look at it this way, right? Even Jesus whipped the money changers. Sometimes we've heard of things called tough love, right? So it's it's that's that is legitimately a thing.

Starting point is 00:44:27 I think the difference is when you start to enjoy giving people tough love, then you're off base. Now you're off base. But sometimes, yeah, people need to be. It's like Christ. Oh, no, you're right. You're right. No, there are I know people who always give you that tough love. But I'm like, you just want to give me you just want to talk shit and then say, oh, it's just tough love. And I'm like, oh yeah. Exactly. When, when people, when people kind of lean in that and that's their baseline state and they seem to be enjoying it a little too much, I don't believe that's tough love.

Starting point is 00:44:57 But I do think there are ways of, you know, correcting people's errors, you know, or, or at least reminding them of them, pointing to them like, Hey man, you this is pretty fucked up. You're a little off base. I don't know what you've been drinking. So I think there's love in that too, right? Because it's not all about fluff and love and light all the time. We know for a fact, that's just that's just not how it is here. here. I find it so interesting. I find everything just energy, dude. It's all energy. And you know, when you kind of said earlier, it's not Harry Potter, I just don't even know if that's not true. I don't even know. I'm starting to think dude, again, like I think at the highest levels, they're doing sorcery, dude. They're using sorcery, direct energy weapons, weather manipulation, our phones are reading our thoughts.

Starting point is 00:45:46 You know, they basically can make anything a listening device now. You know, the Havana Syndrome, Project Looking Glass. Project Looking Glass is the only one we know that's not real 100%, or that's possibly not real, probably is real, but all that stuff seems to be like Marvel comic shit to me. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:10 Magic. It's all magic. All that. If you told anybody back then, you'd be like, they'd say, oh, that's magic. That's all magic. Yeah, that's not happening. That's not real. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:19 The manipulation of people's perception through energy, through tweets, through, through, uh, psychology, psychology, all that stuff seems to be witchcraft to me or sorcery. Well, I mean, that's the whole thing, right? A lot of people say, okay, well, this is psychological. How can it be magic? But at the end of the day, the, the ancient, um, Greek and Coptic word, right? Greco Egyptian word for soul was psikhi, psyche.

Starting point is 00:46:48 So because the soul, as they thought of it, was not some Casper the friendly ghost like white double. That more is the energy body like you're talking about. You have an energetic body. The Egyptians called this the ka. But you also have a soul, which the Egyptians called the Ba. But in Greek, it was Psyche, Psyche, and it's meant to represent the internal experiences of selfhood. So psychology is a kind of magic because it's affecting and right, we said before, conditioning, changing, fundamentally altering the soul. So the thing is like you got all these people out there that want to change the world. But the problem is like they're a miniature snapshot of the world and they don't even fucking realize it.

Starting point is 00:47:34 So what you're really doing is you're trying to clean up an oil spill with dirty hands. You know, it's like it's not, it's not you're contributing to the mess. What you need to do according to the ancient philosophies is practice the method of cleaning your own hands. Practice the method of constantly cleaning yourself. I love it. You, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Yeah, I totally agree, man.

Starting point is 00:48:00 I totally agree. And it gets in this thing with conspiracies. It's like, Oh, don't worry about the sheep wake up the sleeping lions I'm like don't even wake up the sleeping lions. Let them wake themselves up work on yourself It is it is even through the internet We've seen this everything the internet got us to focus on Washington DC and not in our own neighborhoods in our own yards We like fix yourself be the exam. I say this all the time, be the example for others. Like through recovery, that is everything.

Starting point is 00:48:32 Show them how it's done and they will do it. You gotta show them how it's done. You gotta be the example for people to emulate and follow. Yeah, I agree that wholeheartedly, dude. Clean your fucking hands. That's it. And it's what's really interesting too, is that it's being hidden under the guise of like, you know, saving the world. So you've got the social justice kind of team out there, the far less, the liberals that are basically fucking insane. And they're thinking about changing the world. But then you've got this other contingency of people that are like, no, we need to protect

Starting point is 00:49:07 the world from those people. And we need, but the main project here is training us to constantly rely on this thing. To constantly look at it because this is where I'm getting my shitty news. This is where I'm the following the people I like. This is where I'm like hit smashing the like button because This is where I'm like hit it, smashing the like button because Sam Tripoli said something hilarious to a group of people. You know, like, I rely on it too.

Starting point is 00:49:31 My presence is there. My career started on the internet, but we gotta recognize what's happening. We are being trained. We're being diverted away, right? Legacy media is dead. The news is dead. They're just taking our attention from TV

Starting point is 00:49:44 and moving it over to the smart devices. So it's like one way of or probably the best way of cleaning your hands starting off is get off this fucking thing. Get off, throw it in the fucking river. Okay, like get off of this. I want to so badly, so badly, dude, so badly. Yeah, me too. I don't know that that'll happen right away, but I'm trying, I'm trying to find ways to wean off. One of the things that we do now, me and my fiance is like, okay, this doesn't come in the bedroom.

Starting point is 00:50:17 We bought a fucking alarm clock from like the 60s, you know, like that old 90s, it's got the two bells and the hammer. So it's just little ways of chipping chipping back because it's it is like an oil spill it will Seep into every crevice of no no and you're right. I keep it on in my room because it's an alarm clock Oh, I use it for this. I give these little excuses on why I have it why I need it. Oh, it's a camera Oh, what if I need to take a picture? What if I need to record a voice memo? Because back then you weren't gonna have carry a camera you weren't gonna carry an alarm clock

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Starting point is 00:53:28 destructive things to the soul. I tell people all the time, my students, I do, I have sort of private students, I give private lessons, it's like a closed number of people. We study philosophy, we study astrology, all the stuff we're talking about. And one of the things that I tell people is that two things that destroy the soul worse than anything else, poverty and luxury will destroy this, will completely condition and ruin the soul. And really that is the thing that they're leveraging,

Starting point is 00:54:00 is the luxury. We think, okay, like I'm middle-class or I'm upper middle-class or I'm lower middle class. Like the way we live is luxurious compared to not only the rest of the world, but the rest of history, dude. Like even if you're kind of like middle class, you can go to the store and get a fucking steak. Only kings ate steak for like a thousand years. Do you know, dude, uh, your apartment, not you, but anybody's apartment they live in is like probably more comfortable than all of these castles. Yeah. Yeah. I have a heat, right? Like you watch Game of Thrones. I'm like, that seems freezing

Starting point is 00:54:38 to me. Like I would always be cold. You would have to have a thousand fires for me to ever not be like, bro, this place is chilly as shit dude The way castles are represented to and media is is I mean it completely Overestimates how comfortable they are and how big they are most of them were quite small most of these lords and stuff Yeah, like in England where I mean they had like little keeps and stuff that were just I mean, again, and then think about it from most of history, people are shitting outside, man. Shit. We get the shit inside. Yeah, we get the shit inside.

Starting point is 00:55:16 That's how good we have it. Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, we are our baseline luxuries are those of like kings and queens in former times. I mean, not only that, here's something weird. This is just an aside. Being on a plane, right? I'm terrified of flying. Terrified. But I never let it stop me. I probably fly like twice, three times a month. And I'm looking out the window and I'm just looking at like the, the, the Swiss Alps as I'm flying over them and I'm thinking to myself, not even a Roman emperor had this vantage point. Yeah, you're so right, dude. I get, I get to see, I get to see that like the dude next to me, you know, who's had diarrhea

Starting point is 00:55:59 for an hour running back and forth to the bathroom. He gets to look out the window and just see the Swiss Alps from like higher than from a bird's view. Or he gets to shit in a plane, bro. Like exactly. Right. I mean, like my God. Exactly. It's crazy, dude.

Starting point is 00:56:20 It is. It's wild. It's good to remind ourselves of this stuff. I think maybe some of your audience will appreciate hearing that too. No, I love it, dude. I love all this shit, dude. I think it's so important to just go, how deep does it go, bro? How deep does all of it go? And everything. So you go out there, so you do this thing, like there's no internet, you have to record it, you put it out. And what are you guys working on? what are you guys talking about out there well we're talking about we understand that there is this kind of really screwed up trajectory in academia right now and that has reinforced for several hundred

Starting point is 00:56:59 years now this kind of very positivistic meaning, positivism is like the philosophical idea that science can answer every question. That's what positivism is. I don't say materialism because it's kind of been phased out. It's an outdated term, but positivism in the academy is kind of like, is doing more harm than good right now

Starting point is 00:57:24 because it's creating this unconscious bias. This unconscious, well for lack of a better term, materialism and atheism. And so like these are people in academia and so we're discussing like how do we begin to bring these ideas back, revivify the ancient spiritual traditions, including the Christian tradition. I mean, you know, the Charles Stang, who's the director of the Harvard Center for the Study of World Religions, he's been one of the hugest proponents of early Christianities, man. I mean, he's written such excellent works in, you know, for seeking Christians, people who seek an understanding of early Christianity.

Starting point is 00:58:08 I love that. Yeah. Real quick before we move on. The biggest problem I see right now with academia or academia or whatever is that you just have people kind of just chasing a narrative instead of the truth. And you know, we just had a guy who got a basically kicked out of his college because he lied about all the studies that he was citing. That was the basically the, this paper was the basis for the BLM riots. And it was all lie.

Starting point is 00:58:50 And then on the flip side, you had a guy who studied like racial discrimination in police and the population. And he found that there's actually, if you look at the day, there's no racial bias whatsoever. And he was told by his peers, do not publish this paper. It will do more bad than good. And that to me is the ultimate bad is not telling people the truth. That is at the core of everything is like, you can be wrong as long as you honestly thought you were trying to do your best and you were giving out the information That you had that later on you found out was wrong. And that's why I have zero problems with someone good

Starting point is 00:59:31 Hey, dude, you're wrong about this. I go show me and I go, okay I you know like I got wrong with the Elon Musk stuff that that thing looked like to me like it was going in Reverse like someone just reversed the video. I'd never see anything move like that., that's so funny. I tweeted about that. I didn't realize you'd done that. I, if you saw that, I wasn't making fun of you. That was, that was just being silly. I was, I tweeted like a joke as a joke that it was in person. Can someone explain the tweet for the people who didn't see it? It's a, it's the Elon Musk rocket, right? That rocket being caught by the, at the platform, you know, know caught in quotes the way the fire shot out I'm like that looks like it's in reverse. Yeah, no looks like it's not real

Starting point is 01:00:08 You know why it doesn't look real is because we've never seen that. We've never seen anything like it yeah, we go out of process that and Someone showed me a video of it coming back down from far away and a bird flying right in front of it And I go I was wrong. There's a lot of them that I'll admit that I'm wrong. And that's, I don't, I'm not here to be right. I'm here to do right. And the, and the mate you're wrong is the, the, the right thing to do. And that's what I do. And you know, we're just finding in academia, it's like this, just this narrative is more important than the truth. And it's like group think it's like impossible to have original thought around the thinkers

Starting point is 01:00:46 Because yeah, you don't get promoted You don't get the funding for your projects if you don't play ball It's the same thing in in medicine and science if you don't find the findings They want you to find you're not gonna find any any kind of funding for your projects Yeah, and I mean I just being close to academics, tenured academics that are saying, academia is in a real crisis right now, particularly in this country.

Starting point is 01:01:14 Not just, I love that idea, chasing a narrative instead of the truth. But because they don't believe, the problem is that they've divorced themselves from the idea that truth can exist. It's like,'s like their whole bullshit thing is truth, you know, the perception is truth and there are various kinds of independent truth. And what I tell people is like, yeah, but we're all looking at something from a different vantage point. It's like if you're looking at me from a side view, he's looking at me from behind. But like your truth is not the truth, but that doesn't mean that truth doesn't exist.

Starting point is 01:01:47 So that's a problem we're having. There's a big crisis. We want to think, how do we change this? What are new ways of teaching this stuff? What are new ways of engaging with that stuff? To me, if you want to teach this stuff in like any serious capacity, you got to do what they were doing, which means that you have to study astrology. You have to you have to do forms of ceremonial ritual. I mean, where do you think the mass of the Eucharist comes from? That word itself is Greek, right? Eucharisto means Thanksgiving. All of this stuff, the Christian liturgies, all of this stuff comes from these ceremonial ritualized traditions. from these ceremonial ritualized traditions.

Starting point is 01:02:27 So we wanna get back into studying and doing that stuff and bringing that like hermetic fire back into the world and getting people to understand this idea of unity and love and how to express that in learning and in ceremony and things like that. Because human beings, no matter what, I forget who coined the term, we're a religious animal. It's just what we are. So and I don't think that we're animals. So take that with a grain of salt. But we are we're just religious beings. Now, if we don't have something spiritual to do, we're going to worship corporations, we're going to worship celebrities, we're going to worship, you know, technology. Yeah, we can't not worship shit. It's just the way it's built into us. I love that. You're totally right. And you know, you say we're not animals. I do believe we're God's greatest creation. And there's something very interesting about us, you know, uh

Starting point is 01:03:26 I do think we have mammal tendencies We really got to have a leader. We love a leader. We love somebody to look up to we love somebody We trust and that that can get us in really bad spots. I think that's kind of what's going on with this election right now It's like do we really have a guy that or a woman or either of them that we really think is going to lead us to the promised land? But people can't get out of that way of, I got to follow one of these people, you know, and that that gets us into the lesser of of two evil. So yeah, we end up worshiping something at some point, you end up worshiping that

Starting point is 01:04:05 explains cults, right? Like again, going back to our, like some dude is like, it's like that person who tells you on this day, the aliens are coming and then about two weeks out, they're just sweating because they're like, these aliens aren't going to be coming. I don't know how I'm gonna spin this, you know? But we, we just gotta be trustworthy. I always said this, if you go down to Hollywood Boulevard and you see all the Scientology buildings And I think everybody's special everybody's unique, but the people you see staying outside the Scientology building Nothing stands out about them. There's nothing super unusual Striking about them. They're just regular looking people, but they're so desperate

Starting point is 01:04:46 for connection that they join this kind of like this, this verb lack a better word, a cult, which promise you, if you play your cards, right, you may become a famous person in Hollywood where one of the ways you make it to the top of that. And for that, some people are willing to exchange everything they ever had or any connection they ever had for the for uh fleeting fame so yeah i think you're totally right about that yeah i mean you talk about like somebody leading us to the promised land for people worship politicians now it's crazy but um but but i think that there is no fucking promised land the promised land is right under your feet it's your state of mind that determines whether or not you're in Eden or outside of it.

Starting point is 01:05:29 So, you know, it's you need to cultivate that pristine state of mind. And there are techniques for doing it, you know, and that doesn't mean that you become a hermit and walk away from the world. Like you'll do much more. You know, you'll, you'll have greater impact if you stay in the world and cultivate that kind of stuff. I do think that we're in a period of darkness right now. I just, I just do. And I'm not saying that, that some good won't come of it, but I certainly think that this is low vibrational, low density for sure. But it is density. At this point, the way out is the way through. Like we're not getting out of this. We have real we can only go through this. And part of this is because for so long, we didn't do this personal internal work. So now that we've kind of ignored the mission, now we have to confront it finally, because there's no other way out. So I hope that that comes across in my book to some degree or another. And I try to keep myself pretty open and available to anybody. So if anybody out there has any questions about it or about any of this stuff, they can just reach out to me either on my website or on Facebook or something like that.

Starting point is 01:06:44 And I love talking with people about this stuff. Yeah, I just, I feel like, I feel like you have to constantly be searching for the truth and that's what keeps you interesting and that's what keeps you growing spiritually and also slows down time a little bit. You know, like if you're, if you're setting your ways and you're always doing the same thing, you think there's one way to do one thing, I think it gets you in a real big trouble right now.

Starting point is 01:07:15 And I think it's the quickest way to fast forward your life. And I just love being open to everything. And I don't know if any one group has the market on the truth. I think probably it's a little open to everything. And I don't know if any one group has the market on the truth. I think probably it's a little bit of everything, but I think most people are probably saying the same thing just in different ways. I mean, you know, again, I just did Rogan. I want to get into some stuff.

Starting point is 01:07:38 I want to get into the Abrahamic, um, prophecies about the wars that, you know, that some people think are coming, that Christians and Jews and Muslims all think that are coming. And the inter how it's also so interesting that like this book, this Bible has predicted so much stuff. And so my question to you is like, do you think that it is all foretold? Is there a way for, for things to get kind of, kind of just think into like maybe we're going this way and some just think it hits us just a tiny bit. Now we're going this way, right? Or is everything just playing out according to the script as Harry Benner?

Starting point is 01:08:26 No, there's no way. Um, I think personally, the main component that people are very dismissive of, because most people shirk responsibility. Most people don't, they want to find any excuse to throw their hands up and say, I'm not responsible, you know, so that you can go out and literally live your most, you know, just debased, gratified, selfish life. And I think one of the strongest arguments for that kind of foolishness is determinism. But like you said, nobody, nothing, no branch of knowledge, no topic of study owns the truth because there are pieces of it everywhere. God allures people by scattering himself in fragments of the universe. And we have to put the pieces together by searching and seeking, as you say, very, very aptly and appropriately. We have to constantly search for it. But the truth, it's an axiom, right? It's kind of a cliche that the truth is always a combination of opposites.

Starting point is 01:09:29 It's, you know, it's kind of this third thing. And so there is a deterministic component to reality and there's a free will component. We see that and it's both of those things operating at the same time. It's the, that's how we have, you know, two opposing forces and one which unites them eternally. It's how we have reality. Day and night. Light and darkness. Heat and cold. They're really one thing, but they're two sides of one spectrum of activity. So we have this free will and this deterministic component that basically says there's this kind of mechanistic thing and it's affected, as you say, think, think, think by tiny degrees, greater or lesser degrees, by your choices. Now I think in a lifetime or in a lifetime of a people, in a history of a people, there are certain crossroads,

Starting point is 01:10:19 roads, crossroads where that choice has a greater consequence than at other places. I think we are at one of those crossroads now. And what we choose to do, that 51% as a people, as a race of human beings on this Earth, as a form of consciousness on and with the Earth, that's going to decide ultimately what happens. I don't, I believe in, you know, the symbolic interpretation of some forms of prophecy as a general thing. I, you know, for instance, when you talk about Revelation and the end of the world, like, well, that's what has to happen to the Christian. The Christian has to give up their world, you know, that's what Christ did. The Christian has to overcome the heads of the dragon, which are in us, you know, those different kinds, right? I mean, let's call them the dead. The nine headed beast, is that what

Starting point is 01:11:15 we're talking about? The ten headed beast? All that stuff, all that stuff, the horror of Babylon, it's all, you know, there's all the component within us as well. And as Christians, we have to overcome that stuff. But what's going on in the world right now is it's stimulating all those those kind of horrific things into a greater activity. It's giving them greater strength. But you know, kind of the way you're talking about going back to the spiritual pursuits and pursuits of truth, that will orient us so that those things have a little bit less strength and the good within us that can resist those things that can reach upward and reach outward in love will be strengthened. So I think that, yeah, we can change what's going to happen,

Starting point is 01:11:57 but I think that it starts here. The individual has to come to an understanding. You have to clarify your perspective first. I agree with that wholeheartedly. You have to visualize that stuff. I get stuff on manifestation that is sorcery. I go, I just can't buy into that. I just can't buy into that. I just think everything is energy and what you focus your energy on. Where the focus goes, the energy goes. Again, I'm open-minded. If you can prove it to me that I'm wrong, I just think it just shows up all the time. Yeah, I wanna help these people.

Starting point is 01:12:40 Next thing you know, you're helping those people. I don't understand how that's darkness. So we've had discussions on the show again about, you know, the Old Testament versus the New Testament. Johnny has a theory that the Old Testament was just written at a time that resonated how the people thought. There's also someosticism views that that's the Demi-Urge and that something changes once Jesus comes down from the Old Testament to the New Testament. What are your thoughts on that? I would say that I'm very much aligned with the ancient Gnostics.

Starting point is 01:13:17 A lot of people don't have a good handle on the term Gnostic. It doesn't just mean, you know, to, when you say that you're a Gnostic, you're not just talking about the fact that you believe in a spiritual Gnosis. Like you say, it's essentially the thing that defines a Gnostic historically, traditionally, because this was a very, very, one of the earliest forms of Christianity. One of the earliest forms of Christianity was narcissism. The belief is that there is a demiurge that is either purposely malicious or ignorant. I fall into the category where I want to preface it this way. All of these things to me are symbolic narratives. They're ways of talking about things that you can't talk about. The spiritual reality of a thing transcends words.

Starting point is 01:14:09 And that's the problem with trying to find truth historically is that what we're talking about, it defies description because it's a spiritual reality that everything else is patterned off of. So having said that, I prefer the analogy, the symbolic narrative of an ignorant demiurge, because there is, it built into the structure of reality, at least the appearance of evil. But when you say God is love earlier, how does that fit into what you're saying right now?

Starting point is 01:14:46 So here's how it works. The, the idea of the demiurge is this, is that, um, it's predicated on this idea of emanations, which means that there is a source, right? And it's, it's whole and nothing else exists. And that source emanates everything into creation. One of the things that it emanates is the demiurge. So then a god is beyond the demiurge. The god above god we call it. The god above god. Now, Christ, the one god, Christ came to talk about the one god, whereas in my opinion, the Old Testament talks about the demiurge. It's the demiurge speaking. How do you go from a testament

Starting point is 01:15:26 that says, you know, is highly contractual? Do this for me, do what I tell you, I will give you this, I'll give you land, I will give you nations, you know. So interesting, after he's done, go on. And then say, I am a jealous and vengeful God, you will not worship other gods, admitting, acknowledging the fact that there are other gods and doing all this horrible shit, burning cities, killing children. One of the Psalms, I think Psalm 68 or 98 says, you'll walk in the blood of your enemies and the tongue of your dogs will dip in the same. I mean, then to go to talk about Christ who says that God is love and God loves you and God will forgive you and that all you need to do is love him with all your soul and love your neighbor. And he actually says stuff that like contradicts the Bible. He starts a lot of his passages or the Old Testament. He starts a lot of his passages like, verily you have heard it said, A, B, and C. And then he quotes something from the Old Testament. And then

Starting point is 01:16:30 he goes on to immediately say, but I say to you, X, Y, and Z. And then he says something that directly contradicts it. And so there's a point in the Bible where he says, I come not to break but to fulfill the law. But the Greek, and if you want to know the Bible, you have to at least look up the Greek. The Greek word is pletrosai. Pletrosai doesn't mean fulfill, it means to make it whole, to complete it. So Christ says, I came to complete the law. You didn't have all of it. So what God are we talking to? The all-loving or the all-punishing? And so that is where Christian narcissism comes from, is this idea that they cannot be talking about the same God. And so Christ points to the God above God, whereas the Old Testament is pointing to the God that said, hey, if you do what I tell you to do, I will literally kill people to put you on top.

Starting point is 01:17:28 Johnny, what are your thoughts on that? Because it's interesting to me. Well, I mean, he talks also what in like Luke, right, about fulfilling the Psalms and, you know, the words of the prophets and the law of Moses. So I, yeah, I mean, to me, you're coming at it. I think the practically, and that's what I care most about, practically what you're saying doesn't get you too much of a different place than saying, feeling how I feel, which is that the Bible meets people where they are, you know, historically. And I think the Old Testament was for a savage, savage kind of man, you know, men, the human race. Savage kind of man. That's a great name for a comedy special kind of man you know men in the human race. Savage kind of man

Starting point is 01:18:05 that's a great name for a comedy special by the way. I really think I think that this was this was a different person you know who had to be dealt with harshly or they would not they would not fall in line they would you know they were more because you we've really, we've learned to, most of us anyway who deal in polite society have learned to sublimate and repress our many natural urges. But from everything I've read about, especially Old Testament times, and that's God knows how we don't really know how long ago some of that was. This was, you know, especially the average person, which is, you know, what this is for, was all id, you know, I mean, just. Yeah. And I mean, the thing is, you can even look at it like Abraham, right? Technically

Starting point is 01:18:59 the first Jew, right? He's the father of all Christians, he's the father of all Muslims, he's the father of all Hebrews. He came out of a Sumerian civilization. And if you know anything about, right, the first thing that God tells him to do is leave the city of Ur. And basically when you do this, we have a deal, we have a covenant. But again, you know, the idea of fulfilling the Psalms and the law of Moses is again, is what is the Greek word that's being used? Because fulfillment has a very different translation of the word pleirosai into fulfillment has an extremely different connotation than what that word originally means, which is completion. You know, rather than like fulfilling a contract, fulfilling an obligation, it's, you know, making it whole because the word plero, pleroma means wholeness. That's what that means in Greek.

Starting point is 01:19:53 So, so you have to really dial into the original meaning. He doesn't know that they're writing about him though. And, and- Yes. Yeah. The Messiah. I mean, I think, I think it's Matthew that that all ultimately gives this whole genealogy about how you know Christ is a descendant of a blood descendant of David and stuff like that

Starting point is 01:20:10 but I I agree with what you're saying, which is why I I Preface it was saying like these to me are all symbolic narratives to describe what you're talking about Like I said, I'm only really the only part that really interests me and Sam may be different but it's how it would affect how I live my life and how people today would live their lives, you know practically and The the way we know the things we both feel really would have no effect on that And so I you know, I'm gonna be awesome. I get passionate about Sometimes I feel very guilty because I have vices I'm still battling and then you read the testament and what the fuck they were doing in there. I'm like, why

Starting point is 01:20:50 is my porn addiction that bad? There are people sleeping with their daughters. Yeah, I've said that before. It's like, dude, being a regular on Pornhub doesn't seem like so bad at this point, which I'm not anymore. But I mean, war, the, the, the prescription for war, uh, slavery. I mean, there, there's so many. I mean, if you really want to, what'd you say? Upset the apple cart, you know, and you're of your faith. I mean, just go and dive into some of the, the, the challenging, uh, uh, passages in the old, you know, for me though of the challenging passages in the Old Testament.

Starting point is 01:21:27 For me, though, it's just like I love these conversations. And I love and respect. I consider myself a Christian. I'm just new to it that I'm just trying to figure out like what I'm dealing with right now. Because Christ, we talk about God above, you know, that there God even says I am the one true God above all gods. So I respect that and Jesus Christ's teachings. I respect that. That's why I have my heart. So that seems to be

Starting point is 01:21:59 the basics of it, right? And now there's, depending on who I talk to, do I have to follow the commandments, all that stuff? I'm learning, okay? I make no's, depending on who I talk to, do I have to follow the commandments, all that stuff? I'm learning, okay? I make no illusions and this is not here to disrespect anybody's belief. This is where we come to have the conversations. Like this is what I want this show to be. You know, not every show, but this episode is a wonderful discussion in it. And I want to just ask these questions because I think it's really important and you know just like you know when we get into like the Babylonian oral history of the rabbi and we talk about you know the Talmud or or you know people told me in the Quran where there's moments where it's like oh

Starting point is 01:22:38 you can lie if it's about like this this and this reasons and that's also in the Talmud, too. These are questions I go, why is that there? How is that OK? Why would God be OK with that? And these are just questions I want to ask. And it's not telling anybody that at the basis of the religion, whether it's Judaism, Christianity,

Starting point is 01:23:00 or Islam, that I have issue with it. I just feel like these are fun conversations to have I like I could talk to you all day about this stuff because to me it's the most interesting of interesting because Regards of what you believe when you follow spiritual path your life seems to get better now There this is this is the reality brother and sisters This is where it is up and down up and down if it was this all time you'd still be miserable you'd be miserable challenges and

Starting point is 01:23:31 Applying what you've learned about yourself and your connection with God to everything that you do is really to me What's all about and have you learned and when you take your last breath? What have you learned? Yeah, and that to me is the most important thing. Amen, man. I think that that's true. I'm, and I'm, I'm beyond grateful that you bring me into this forum, um, because they are becoming increasingly rare. And, uh, you know, you've got a great platform here with, with tons of, of

Starting point is 01:24:01 listeners that are interested in many of which are open-minded. So I'm more than happy to have these conversations. Ultimately, I like yourself. I consider myself a Christian, but I mean, most Christian, most orthodox, like lowercase orthodox Christians, which include Catholicism, they wouldn't allow me that title. So I have some divergent views, but again, I like talking about this because even if you look at the Platonic traditions, how did they deal with this shit? How did they search for truth? They didn't do it alone. There's this whole thing called the dialectic, and the dialectic is why Plato wrote dialogues. And after him, the Neo-Platonists, the Hermetic traditions, if you look at those texts, they're all dialogues after him. Most of the really most powerful ones are dialogues, because that's the way, the person to person, let's suss this out, let's bring to bear something. I can't do it alone,

Starting point is 01:25:05 I need you. This is some of the most important spiritual work that we can really offer one another is to talk about shit that we disagree about. So you're a well-read man in philosophies and religion and the occult, where, where does the, the typical conspiracy falling to your world? When we talk deep state, when we, we talk, uh, you know, elites, when we talk, you know, even even like human trafficking and all that stuff and you know, the war in Gaza and what's going on with Ukraine and, and the Federal Reserve. How do you take what you believe in the world and apply it to things like that so you can deal with the chaos that seems to be brought to us on a daily basis

Starting point is 01:26:07 things who are good friends at social media? Well that's a good question. As far as the conspiracy stuff, one of the reasons I joined this world was to suss out the conspiracy stuff and there are small groups of people in every organization that I disagree with the way that they do things, but I've never in my life seen anything like nefarious on the level of global politics. Anything that I have seen of these little groups of people, first of all, they can hardly organize a pasta dinner. It's like more like cosplay than anything else like, oh, we're the guys. It's like, yeah, but you parked in the wrong fucking space and you're sitting here talking to me, your car's getting towed.

Starting point is 01:26:56 Like you're not that sharp. You know, we're just not. We're just average blue collar guys, carpenters, guys that work at Trader Joe's. We're masons, you know? And then on the other hand, there is this thing with the internet, where if I wanted to, I could research all the details, I could find all the rituals, I could do this and that, and I could go do my own thing and start calling myself the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, or you know, the Martinist Society of America, or now we're free masonry lodge number 12. now we're we're Freemasonry Lodge number 12. You can just do this shit. And in that way, if you appropriate things, and you appropriate organizations and identities and titles and names, and then go do shitty stuff with it, as we've seen, you know, plenty of times over the last several centuries,

Starting point is 01:27:39 you're going to besmirch and aim. You're going to drag other good people through the dirt. Because besmirch and aim. You're gonna drag other good people through the dirt because the truth of the matter is people want to be fooled. They don't want the truth. Most people want- I couldn't agree with that part more. That part where people love to be lied to. It's why all these, like Ellen DeGeneres is the greatest example of where we don't want someone coming out telling us truth. We want to hear what we already believe, even if we don't believe it, but we presented as a belief. And that's why we wanted someone like Ellen, who just looks like she wants to dance with kids while she's just Birkin motherfuckers backstage and, and getting the caterer fire because he made eye contact with her, right? Like that's where

Starting point is 01:28:25 we're at. Like the originality scares us because it makes us think about what is being presented to us and how it conflicts with what we've been programmed to believe. Right. Yeah. And we always fear what we don't understand. And more than that, you know, we've a lot of that when you join Masonry, the first thing they tell you is like, look, to be a Mason, you now have to, you now have to be accountable for every action that you do and you have to carry yourself in a way that is upright before man and God. And you, you know, you have, you have taken oaths, you know what those oaths are on? I mean,

Starting point is 01:29:01 your, your oaths are to, you know, hold upright the tenets of masonry, which is charity, fraternity, brotherly love, you know, a belief in God, a hope in the immortality of the soul. These are not horrific things. These are great things, but they come with a great price. They come with a great responsibility. And a lot of times people who can't rise to meet that level of responsibility want to tear everything down. They don't want, you know, like we see that constantly. It's always like the worst kinds of people that want the state to take care of them, that want, you know, other people who make more money, who work their hands to the bone to take care of them. These are the type of people that rail against Masonry. They're about 50%. The rest are fundamentalist Christians. But, you know, or fundamentalist, you know, in Islam, whatever, what have you.

Starting point is 01:29:53 But there's really no conspiracy other than the one that they're putting targets on the chest of good men, right? Which is very apropos our time. This is a place where we get together for confraternity to learn how to be men. Those of us like myself that didn't have good male role models. You know, I have a space. I have a place to do beautiful things. To go and donate food, donate clothes, donate time, donate blood. And learn from my elders. Of course, of course they're going to put a target on our chest at this point.

Starting point is 01:30:29 So how do I deal with it? Community is huge. Finding like-minded people and learning from them. And a lot of people are scared of this stuff. They butt against it and it doesn't resonate with them. But my question to you is, if it resonated with you, would you be growing? Would you be, like some of this shit

Starting point is 01:30:50 shouldn't make sense to you at first. Because then like, it's more of you. It's more of where you're at. So do we wanna grow or do we wanna stagnate and stay where we are in our little echo chambers and our little, like you're saying, our comforts. We're very comfortable with the way that we've been trained. We need things and people to challenge us, but ultimately the work, the greatest work, the most intimate work that you will ever do is between yourself

Starting point is 01:31:15 and your God. And that is ultimately what pulls me through everything, is my connection to God. I pray every single day. I thank God when things go right. I thank God when things go wrong. And I'm constantly deferring to the part of my spiritual architecture that is closest to God. I'm deferring to that for what to do. Because when this dude like behind the persona gets, takes the wheel, he drives it over a cliff. That's just the way it is. So all only God does great things. Only God.

Starting point is 01:31:50 And so that that is how I deal with this stuff. And ultimately, if you're practicing masonry, you're practicing the Hermetic Order, the Golden Dawn stuff. That's the only that's the only conclusion you're going to come to. Are there any elements of Freemasonry that that by elements, I mean, like sex or groups that no, you have concerns about like anywhere? Well, here's the thing. I did. I did a really, really in-depth two part series on my channel about Freemasonry. So I'm going to give a short answer.

Starting point is 01:32:18 But for anybody that wants to dive deeper, you can go to my Arcanum YouTube channel. The thing about it is, again, there are lots of groups out there that are not what we call regular. So regularity, I talked to you before about how Freemasonry is decentralized. It's different in all states. It's different in all countries. The way that we maintain kind of like, well, what is Freemasonry? It has to be something unless it's this, otherwise it's this amorphous blob. We don't know what to call it. It's just men meeting on a checkerboard floor, which is not really anything, you know? So how do we define what Masonry is? And we use anymore. We don't recognize you. You lose your regularity. But that doesn't stop anybody from meeting someplace and calling themselves Masons. In my years as a man. I get it. I get it. It's like somebody like moving to the house across the street from me and saying like, oh, that's my brother.

Starting point is 01:33:21 No, it's not. You can tell people all you want that we're related, but it's not the facts. The thing is, to what Sam was saying, people don't care. As soon as they get a whiff, they're like, ah, we have a scapegoat. Nice. It's like we have somebody to chew on. We have somebody to tar and feather. It allows us to express that animalistic tribalism that is repressed. Basically all these things that we go through in our lives that we either feel like we can't complain about or we have no way to overcome.

Starting point is 01:33:57 These little shitty things at work, these little shitty things at home, we just vent that on a scapegoat. That's what a scapegoat traditionally was for. And we've turned these organizations into living scapegoats. In my experience as a Mason, I have never seen anything untoward even in the slightest in terms of regular masonry. I may have heard a few off-color jokes. I may have heard a few individual Masons express political beliefs that I think are horrific bullshit. But an individual is not the arbiter.

Starting point is 01:34:35 You know, it's like when they say like, okay, the opinions expressed in this podcast are not, you know, are not those of Disney. It's the same thing. Like, we can't control what Masons think because part of the ethos is free will. You know, we're not going to twist your Disney. It's the same thing. Like, we can't control what Masons think because part of the ethos is free will. We're not going to twist your arm. It's not the goddamn military. So you're not getting money to be here. So if you act out of a line with Masonic ethos, which is ethics, charity, and brotherly love, you know, those things, if you act out of line with that, somebody will come to you and say, listen, you better straighten out and fly right. Otherwise, your ass is going to be on the line.

Starting point is 01:35:10 And then you could face Masonic charges. You could face expulsion. You might be forced to demit. There are all sorts of consequences for not acting like a Mason. But at the Trump, the necessary still, do you think? Or is it doing more harm than good at this point? Because it allows people to project whatever they want onto the Trump. Is it necessary still? Do you think or is it doing more harm than good at this point? Because it allows people to project whatever they want onto the organization. Well, that's kind of what I'm doing. I'm getting out there to de-occult the occult. I want everybody to know about it.

Starting point is 01:35:33 And I've faced some backlash from traditionalists about that. But the issue is this, the only thing, I swear to you, go online, buy Duncan's right. If you buy a Duncan's, Duncan's right, you could buy the Preston web monitor that has all of Masonic ritual in it. It has all the speeches. It has all the symbols. Nothing is secret. There's, there are very few things that are secret and they are modes of recognition so that I can if you come to my lodge And you're not a mason I can find out that you're not a mason because you don't know how we greet each other If you come up, but is it okay?

Starting point is 01:36:14 but then there's a there has to be something that taught me that isn't there like uh, like That taught me the the handshake. How would I have known the handshake? Isn't there someone that has to teach it to you? Can't you say that? This is the one secret thing is the modes of that. That's it. That the only thing you're you're you're you have like a teacher that takes you through these modes of recognition and memorization techniques for ritual. You know, it's what we call a catechism.

Starting point is 01:36:41 You learn it there. And you're also given it. You, you're given it in Masonic ritual, but it's passed down. It's an oral tradition. It's not written anywhere. You know, it's and- Oh, fascinating. Really? Oh, I didn't know that. We don't write it. We don't write it in our books. It'll say, it'll say, Worshipful Master proceeds to give the due guard and sign of an entered apprentice. We don't draw it anywhere. You might find it in some old lodge manuals that were supposed to be like secret, but again, it's slightly different everywhere you go. Like my due guard and the signs that I have to give in North

Starting point is 01:37:19 Carolina Lodge Masonry are slightly different than the ones they're doing in London. But, but you know, that's those are the only secrets, man. I mean, you can literally pull apart the third degree of Freemasonry. It's out there. That's nice. I find this whole thing super interesting, Ike. One more time, tell them where they could find you. Ikebaker.com, I-K-E-B-A-K-E-R. That's got Ikebaker.com, I-K-E-B-A-K-E-R, that's got the podcast, blogs, you can buy my new book, and you can reach out to me for any reason. I do give personal customized sort of curriculum. I do independent study. And for anybody that wants to talk about any certain subject, you can reach out to me and I'll talk with you for like a half hour about stuff that you're interested

Starting point is 01:38:09 in. Other than that, yeah, check out the book. Thank you for having me so much, Sam. Thank you very much to all of you guys for just allowing me this space on here. I love the podcast. I love what you're doing. Well, you know, I appreciate you. The other guys don't worry about them. Well, dude, I enjoy talking to you. I love these discussions. I love it. I could get into lizard people and Nephilim giants, and then we could also do deep talks on, uh, narcissism, Jesus and all that stuff. I love love it all i appreciate you coming on and let's get let's let's break down this episode ah what do you guys think dude what do you guys think

Starting point is 01:38:53 uh i think i'm going to be the first mason in sinful hat okay oh damn damn I would have a certain lamborino Obviously not bread No, no, no A rich tasteful bite Yes, I know the wrong place We agree, up, up, all to the piadineria The sun is back, with raw and stracciatella Add mango sauce, black garlic or pepper You will love every bite. The piadineria, the best there is. Does it hurt? It comes with citizenship once you're like past like, Oh, so you think you can get in here to do the handshake? They're not the 40 Mason. We can't find one swarm

Starting point is 01:39:50 chick in California that thinks you're cute and would marry you. I can't believe it. I feel like in how long you've been on the show, six years, he could, he like a bail. That's on him. That dude ain't trying to, he trying to get married. He's just too busy doing drugs and filming himself. Hey, welcome to my blog. I'm here illegally. He's not filming himself. I have to correct you there. He's got someone else filming. He's got a camera crew, a documentary crew filming him. Yeah, but he's has them filming him, which is filming himself. And technically if he's paying for it, Sam's just mad because I caught him getting tapped out in the first 10 seconds in my And technically if he's paying for it, Sam's just mad because I caught him getting tapped out in the first 10 seconds in my vlog. So he's over here.

Starting point is 01:40:30 Oh, by the way, it was Adam Crowley yesterday and they said they lost money on me. Oh, how much they put on you? I don't know. I didn't ask. I was upset. Where at Skankfest? Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry, buddy. Not No, it's my fat gut hangs out That's the worst part that it isn't even a tapping that upsets me. It's my fat gut when I'm down there Oh, it's so upsetting to me. I just gonna be rolling in Cancun. I mean, I'm gonna go there I mean I'll be the like it's gonna be I think Chico bling's a blue belt. I think he's a blue belt maybe a purple belt. I am a white belt. I'm trying to get my blue belt. I'd love that my blue belt by then it's not gonna happen but I would love to have it by then. It's

Starting point is 01:41:14 not gonna happen. But send this to anybody who can give sound the blue belt. No I don't want to be given the blue but I would like to have earned it. I should have had it by now but because my schedule I'm always on the road Why we're testing that I haven't been able to test but I did had a great workout today. Anyway, I had a great word I'm starting to get my hooks in dog. I'm starting to get my fat legs do my fucking hooks in um, besides that I can't complain Anyways, I got the plane by the way. I just got another text I'm getting not because my I have a North Carolina phone number, just non-stop political text dude. It's driving me crazy. I just got one. It says, prominent Virginia evangelical

Starting point is 01:41:52 pastor says, Christians have a biblical duty to vote. And I don't even know who this is supporting. I have to click on him. It's so crazy to me. They're going to rig it, dude. I just think we're going to live in a with president harris. It's so sad to me It's so you really because I uh god the way they're making I want I mean I don't want I don't I it's not that I want trump to win. I just desperately need Kamel harris to lose Yeah, no money on this or why why you know you desperately because I live in this country and I think it will go to shit Even worse than it already worse than it gets worse by

Starting point is 01:42:25 the day. The, the, the neocons have all lined up. And the great thing is if she loses, we can get the neocons just out of the system. Like they'll just don't understand what she's doing. It's, it's the problem is we're living in a country where the, the, the disparage, the spare, what's the word I'm looking for? The, the sparing. I don't know what you mean. Just tell me what it means. The difference between the rich and the poor is getting wider and wider. And these bear it. You know, that's the word, right? Yeah. Yeah. Disparity, uh, is getting wider and wider and the rich people literally have nothing to worry about so they can fantasize about

Starting point is 01:43:06 Getting angry at shit. They can just pass out like he's got the part interracial couples like how retarded Do you have to be the thing that that is ever gonna happen? How many black people does he have to hang out with before you go couple and bang white chicks? We're okay like but dude nobody nobody checks that because their life is so good they only live in the theoretical and it's just crazy to me it's just crazy to me I can't believe it but back to this I hope you guys if you made this far into the episode, appreciate these discussions. It's not to challenge your beliefs. It's just to have a discussion.

Starting point is 01:43:51 My old opinion is this, is that if you are that, you have this much strong belief in something, you should be able to discuss it and hear alternative theories and not be worried about it and That's my opinion. I Will be more than happy to have discussions on everything. I Mean I was saying I mean you used to have discussions about Jesus not being real You've always been open super open to I remember first getting on the podcast and I was like I would have a Jesus My little Jesus piece on me and you'd be like, do you believe in Jesus? And I knew you were kind of like trying to like figure out where I,

Starting point is 01:44:29 where I was at. And I was like, ah, I don't know. Cause I really didn't. I was young and like now it just seems like, like you said, you're just wearing it for credibility in case. No, I grew up Catholic, but when someone older honestly asked you, what do you think you sit there and like, well, I'm just going to repeat what my parents say and now that yeah and now that I'm older I sit there and you like how old are you like um I want it's been six years since I've been on the show when you were 25 years

Starting point is 01:44:57 old 25 on here when I at the age I moved to Los Angeles isn't that crazy that's so crazy to me it's so crazy yeah I mean I love the discussion I moved to Los Angeles. Isn't that crazy? That's so crazy to me. That's so crazy. Yeah. I mean, I love the discussion. I think some people get offended by it and that makes me sad because I think you should have these discussions and I love it. And I think Johnny, you're the, you're a guy who went to church. Do you think there can be more than what you've been taught?

Starting point is 01:45:25 I don't know. What do you mean by that? What do you mean. Do you think there can be more than what you've been taught? I Don't know. What do you mean by that? What do you mean? Do I think there can be I don't want this to be a focus on Christianity I want this to be a focus on every all religions all Organized I mean the what I was taught is that absolutely not no. Yeah, I mean that's if you're no no no No, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking you. Oh, yeah I've always I've always felt that way but in the thing the probably the gateway drug of that belief was that I Did this problem of like what about people who have never heard about the Bible? You know, you're telling me that these people are screwed You know what I mean? And I just I could never I can never believe that that was my buddy that and he was like, yeah, he goes, there's nobody in heaven right

Starting point is 01:46:10 now. There's no hell. Uh, basically everybody's just sleeping and those who are, those are all right. Go when it's time, we'll go right to heaven. The rest of us will sit for a thousand years and wait. Yeah. I mean, that's a, some people believe that, but the point of, it doesn't really matter because think about when you're asleep, you have, you're not conscious, you know what I mean? It's just like you went to sleep and then you woke up, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:46:34 It wasn't like this, so- It's every flight I ever do. Right, yeah, so for people who die, I mean, it's not, they're not, it's not gonna be like, oh damn, that was a long thousand year sleep, you know? Oh, they're just gonna wake up and they're gonna be like, oh hey, I'm in long thousand years sleep. You know, they're just going to wake up and they're going to be like, Oh, Hey, I'm in heaven and I got to do weird shit. Yeah. I know you didn't read the book I gave you, but the Rob Bell book talks about

Starting point is 01:46:54 there's going to be a new earth too. You know, I mean, we're going to be on earth again, a new earth and it's going to be made perfect. Like it was in, you know, in the days of Eve, it's going to be a new earth. Yeah., so I mean it's not like, you know We're gonna be walking around with little with little stuff over our junk like leaves over our junk, bro Oh, no. No, that was that that's after you get the shame. No, there's nothing. Okay. All right So we're just gonna be free balling and I think I mean think about it, dude How much of do you really expect any of that? Like the idea of a leaf over the, I mean, that's probably not what it was like.

Starting point is 01:47:27 In fact, I mean, what if the garden of Eden was filled with technology? You don't know, you don't know. We don't know what they had. So yeah, I don't, I mean, and the people that I liked most growing up always said that like, cause when you think about heaven,

Starting point is 01:47:42 what we know of it and kind of what we've of absorbed through osmosis, like culturally, it sounds really fucking boring. You know, sitting around on purpose, but you know, the people I love growing up always said like, listen, the best things on earth are fun. You're laughing. You're, you're so, so why would you expect that to be any any you know, whatever is happening in heaven to be any different I think the Mormons might have it right dude where you're just out there creating stuff You know, they're talking about how you have your own planet and they you know, you're just creating maybe maybe XG like just Molly that waters Molly everybody everybody is a little homie

Starting point is 01:48:25 everybody's the homies I mean, I I think there could be The problem, I mean like when I think about like, okay One of the things I would like to see is some kind of sports like some basketball or something But then how does that work? Is everybody just happy to when they win or lose is every game in in the tie? How does that you know what I mean? Like, how do you pray for who who do you pray for before the game? Johnny, who do you pray for before the game? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean we'll all know who to pray for but at that point it'll be

Starting point is 01:48:49 Obvious because well, he'll just be there But yeah, I don't know man. I there I like one of my favorite YouTube rabbit holes is near-death experiences and the things they have in common are that some of this stuff is kind of psychedelic you know like this and and so I Yeah, I don't I mean I don't I don't think we can even conceptualize what a lot of it is but yeah, you I mean you hear about people having seen the same figures and and beings and and Like planes like a plane of existence, you know, the features of it are similar across these near

Starting point is 01:49:28 death experiences. So, uh, yeah, I don't, I mean, and I think that's, that's a little, Johnny, where do your gay friends fall into all this? Where does that happen? I can ask them if you want. Oh no. Johnny's getting worked guys. Great.

Starting point is 01:49:44 Up. So go to samtriplea.com calm a lot of great things are going on there Johnny did you ever thought you wanted to finish that I just jumped because I'm trying to well I know you just asked me about the gays and then yeah, it was a joke No, I mean that was the only thing I was gonna the gays are going to heaven Yeah, anyway, I'll go Sam Truby calm a lot of great stuff's going on my specials They're are getting some love on everywhere. Just getting love everywhere every you know a lot a lot of good thing Guess what? I also did that Mayton Martin. Hey, do you guys know that Martin kid is that M a tan kid? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I

Starting point is 01:50:21 Watch it. It was pretty funny. I thought it was a great I was laughing out loud being this kid play me Just sparring with the 17 year old. I'm like dude. Do you understand that you're in the verbal octagon with this guy's been doing it forever Do you anyway go to Santa li.com look at these positive comments leave go leave a comment be positive. It's been nice. Look at that. I Mean dude go to a Twitter. It's all positive. Go to red rumble. It's all positive. It's like crazy. I do got put it up on YouTube. They'll be next. I'm gonna get this day in the beep some shit. Anyways go to the dot com. I got Tulsa coming up in November. We're working on another date and that we might be doing Vegas at the end of December. I'm working on another date and that, uh, we might be doing Vegas

Starting point is 01:51:05 at the end of December. I'm working on it. Uh, at the end of November, uh, Tampa Bay, uh, December six, Cancun on the, uh, Jiu-Jitsu overdose. Uh, Eddie was talking about that, uh, Columbus, Ohio on the, uhth, Pottstown, February 7th, and Morristown, New Jersey, February 8th. We're looking at Arizona. I'm looking at going to Arizona at the House of Comedy

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Starting point is 01:54:51 The D&D show. Are they? Are they? Oh no. It's going to be their last year. Oh no. I didn't know that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:55:00 So sad. Adam, Adam Silver is garbage. He sucks sucks dude. That fucking vampire alien looking motherfucker is garbage! He's such a politician. He's like a podesta type bro. He's just right in there with that group. And it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse and worse and he just won't do anything.

Starting point is 01:55:22 Like what about the NFL Johnny? What about the NFL? It's like, no political shirts. Oh, dude, I just tweeted about that. So if you don't know, the Buffalo Bills have a policy for their home stadium that you can't have political shirts. Now, I've never heard of that being enforced.

Starting point is 01:55:36 And someone made a great point that I'm sure this happened. It was enforced right after they had the political fucking No, dude, they played the black it did the jingoism of the national anthem and then the flyover happens and then they tell this guy he has to take off just a plane trump sir nothing offensive about it let me see if i can find the name uh... uh... it's a stupid picture

Starting point is 01:56:00 uh... here it is this guy right here is being asked to take his... It's an NFL policy that he cannot wear his Trump shirt in the first row of the building. 100% false! Whatever's at fault, one year. It's not a Trump shirt, it's nothing political. Nothing political from the NFL cannot be worn at a building. That is, that is, that is... You're in a free country! You're in a free country!

Starting point is 01:56:18 You're in a free country! You're in a free country! Now, I'm fine with a stadium saying, hey, you can't do whatever they want don't want because they you know it's their property but I guarantee you they're not doing this to people with Kamala Harris t-shirts. Yeah I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that. Of course if you can even find somebody with a Kamala Harris shirt.

Starting point is 01:56:35 And hey asshole asshole in a mullet wearing glasses okay let me tell you something you're in a you're in a taxpayer building right now The taxpayers paid for this they can wear whatever they want to now if if the bills Don't want you to be wearing Raven's gear at the front. I can understand that they do that in baseball all the time and a certain lamb. Obviously not bread. No, no, no. A tasty, rich bite. Yes, I know the right place. We agree, up, up, away, all to the piadineria.

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Starting point is 01:58:33 and ask them to sing the national anthem. None of them know the black national. Nobody knows. It's a made up thing. It's Kwanzaa. The only people who celebrate the black national anthem and Kwanzaa are rich white people. That's it. Okay? Save it. The state of New York taxpayers committed approximately $600 million to that stadium while Erie County contributed another $250 million.

Starting point is 01:58:56 So taxpayers footed for $850 million. I will punch you in your tits. That's gender language, Sam. Okay. I'm assuming that guy's got bitch tits. Yeah, so did you see Fetterman on Rogan at all? It was very interesting to watch. Why would you send that guy? I mean he talks in just like the words he's using are words, but the sentences don't make sense. Well, you know

Starting point is 01:59:21 It's just like look at did you see this was the number one YouTube comment? Did you see this? It says even a guy who suffered a severe stroke and barely understands English can sit down for two hours. Props bro. That's a, you know, I respect it dude. Camilla Harris. Like you guys got to tell me what the wins are. Tell me what the wins are. I just give me one win that Camilla Harris has had in the last two months. Something where we're where where her way that's it It's a debate. Well, look up the Kamala Harris Donald Trump debate find the date on that find the day Okay. Yeah, that's the only I mean that was the earliest debate we've ever had I think because they were trying to get I mean

Starting point is 01:59:58 I'm sorry the the Biden debate was the earliest and then the second the one with her was one of the earlier ones we've ever had You're gonna have to talk when I'm looking that up. Okay. Oh Johnny Do you hear that now it's coming out that that that that that the? Algerian boxer Amon Keith is actually a male like everyone said are you serious? Yeah, it's starting to come out It was September 10th September 10th today is November Uh, it was September 10th September 10th today is November Quite two months. Oh about two months. She has an ad of victory in almost two months. Yeah Wait, so you're saying that Algerian boxer was it just a dude? Yeah, that it's coming out that he's a dude

Starting point is 02:00:42 No kidding. Let's see huge row after Iman Khalifa Paris Olympics gold medals confirmed as male in leaked medical report. The gender identification of Eman Khalif, fucking ads, has come under scrutiny due to the leaked medical reports. In a surprising turn of events, the gender ID of Eman Khalif, the Algerian boxer who just won a gold in women's boxing at the Summer Olympics in Paris, has come under scrutiny due to a leaked medical report according to the document which French journalist Diafar Ait Aoudia was able to secure. Khalif has internal testicles and XY chromosomes, hinting at a disorder called 5-alpha reductase insufficiency. Yeah, so she's got testes.

Starting point is 02:01:21 There it is. It's over. She's a dude. Unbelievable! My balls go inside sometimes. There it is. It's over. She's a dude Unbelievable My my balls go inside sometimes that doesn't make me a woman. Yeah, my balls dude. I got I got high in tides, dude I don't even know how had kids. I I really don't really when I shoot a rope I'm like, where did that come? I know but if I get in a weird position sometimes it'll know how to disappear up in my body No right now. I'm trying to do no nut November. It's not going well. How are you doing on your fitness challenge? Not going well either. I feel like I'm going

Starting point is 02:01:48 to win that. I know you are. But what am I? Are you trying? You're going to try? I'm trying dude. I'm working out all the time. Somebody said we should make it a more, put more on the line because it's just a fancy day. Oh, so Johnny, since you're, you're, you're weighing head, you're like, let's, let's up the ante. I'm not way ahead, I'm down two, two pounds. Ugh, I don't know, Johnny. Are you down? Would you say you're down? No.

Starting point is 02:02:09 Oh no, dude. But I'm working out more than ever. These fitness things though, this is, some guy is gonna be right again. He says it's pointless doing these things because we're not gonna stick to them. Okay, Johnny, you know what that is, right? I didn't say that, he said that.

Starting point is 02:02:19 Johnny, you want some? You want some? He said it, don't get mad at me. Okay, Johnny, watch me fucking just Crank it up and turn it out, dude. I hope you do. You know what I just did Johnny I said is that freedom rock? Well, turn it up. I'm about to turn it up dog You're you just you just got a world of pain coming dude Unbelievable that you judge me. I just so lucky you just gave me this beautiful card

Starting point is 02:02:45 That is cool, right? I would lose it on you, dude. It is cooler, right? It is so cool and I'm gonna put it right there Okay, so have you seen how this is one of the just You know according to the news Boston.com. It's Bush League trolling It's not it's genius level trolling by these people who are finding folks who have genius level trolling by these people who are finding folks who have Kamala hair signs in the yard. Oh, I love this. And they're one, they're sending them these mailers that look legitimate. Uh, I'm just going to put it on the screen here. It's like a postcard with kind of official looking language on it. And it says, uh, thank you for supporting Kamala. We are appreciative of you putting a yard sign, putting out a yard sign.

Starting point is 02:03:25 But now we need your continued help. We will be moving and then it's like a little fill in the blank thing. Uh, so make it look like, you know, they're doing a bunch of these for from the country of Belize into your home on the 3rd of November. They will need food, toiletries and transportation. Thank you. Underline. I love it, dude. And by the way, police isn't that bad, right? I mean, I don't think so if you had to take somebody yeah, you're like we're gonna give you people from Iceland I'm like bring them. Oh, yeah, bring those white walker ladies. Yeah. Yeah white white walker ladies. Come on in dude That's never ice. Yeah, your dick gets frostbite. Come on. Let's go Nobody leaves Iceland and then you had these guys

Starting point is 02:04:03 Did you see those guys that were doing a prank of like dropping immigrants off at houses? I love it do what they steal that from Ari Shafir and the amazing races. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like Ari I feel like Ari should be in on this election one way or the other. He broke a lot of ground Yeah, you have to he's gonna quit you hear that he's taking a break two years I did see that word on the street is and the streets are talking Johnny He might be moving to London London. Really? Yeah, it's a beautiful city I can imagine living there. All right here. Check us out stuff Like I work for Kamala's campaign and now I'm gonna deliver immigrants to her supporters

Starting point is 02:04:39 Are you we do have a surprise if that's okay, it's real fast Are you? Of course. We do have a surprise if that's okay. It's just real fast. Do you have a surprise? We're looking for a place for them to stay. They just came across. They'll sleep on floors. I mean, they're not picky, you know. We have like a two-year-old, so...

Starting point is 02:04:54 Hector's good with kids. Sorry, we just can't. Could they just like sleep on your lawn? They need a place to stay. They just came across. My teenager slept with me. Oh, that's fine. Hector, he was dating a teenager a little bit ago. They just came across. They don't have papers.

Starting point is 02:05:08 We're in support of the whole border situation and we're just trying to get them a floor to sleep on. Do you guys want COVID? They said they could survive it. We work with her so we know how to... You don't work with the Redos. See that car? We have three dudes who just came across the border, we're trying to find them a home.

Starting point is 02:05:26 Find them a home! Just say I'm voting for Donald Trump without saying it, okay? That's a wrong attitude, mister! I said my vote is private! So you're voting Kamala? No! Avrham Certo Longorino! Ovviamente no panino!

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