Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - Tin Foil Hat #36: Chaos Magic with Gordon White

Episode Date: August 22, 2017

Thank you for tuning into another fun festive episode of Tin Foil Hat with Sam Tripoli. Today, Ryan and Sam, welcome Chaos Magician Gordon White to the show. On this episode we discuss.... 1) Sam Tripoli's appearance at the Punchlinephilly.com/SamTripoli 2)Chaos Magic 3)Rune Soup 4)Graham Hancock 5)Nuclear War on Mars 6)Alien Disclosure 7)The Queen of England 8) We read your iTunes reviews

Welcome back to another episode of Tinfoil Hat. Come with me into the waters of conspiracy with Sam Tripoli. Sam Tripoli. Sam Tripoli. Sam Tripoli. Mr. Sam Tripoli. Just to be known. With my friend Ryan, to be with my friend Ryan Davis.

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Are you ready to get your mind-blowing? Okay, oh, I'm thev. Revolution will be podcasted. Yes, yes, and welcome to another tinfoil hat podcast. I'm Sam Tripoli and I have a all new respect for DJs. To work with a mask and run the ones and twos is not that easy. Thank you for tuning in. It's another fun, exciting the episode of Punch Drunk. Excuse me, Timfoil Hat. I should, I should edit that out,

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Mike Carwood from Love Lines, I mean, Ryan Sickler's on that one Jackie Fabulous Josh Denny from Food Network all gonna be there at Molly Malone's on September 10th. So that is it and again get follow us on Instagram and now sitting patiently like a young gee. Here joining us who's our guest for today's show? All right today's guest is one of the world's leading figures in historical Western occultism. His work is the exploration of evidence-based Western magical worldview that combines history, history, paranormal studies, uphology, and the best-developed scientific research. It is an honor and a privilege to introduce the fascinating author of three profound books and the host of the very thought-provoking thought

podcast, Roon Soup, the very talented and inspiring Gordon White. Gordon White, welcome to the show, my friend. Thank you very much, thank you for having me. Gordon, what time is it where you are at my friend? It's just gone 8 a.m. 8 a.m. Thank you for getting up. I hope you had your tea. Thank you for coming on to to to to to to to the the the to the the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. tho. thoo. thooo. tho. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. toda. you for listening. That's all good. Gordon, thank you for coming on the show. Gordon, tell us a little bit, tell us our listeners a little bit about yourself. Sure, well, I mean, I was, I'm back in Australia, I was born and raised in Australia and have sort of lived in New Zealand and the UK. Before I started doing this full-time, I had a background in media, particularly to do with demography and data analytics. So that kind of mindset has been brought over into, you know, magic and its history and its practice and so on. It's so amazing. You're in such incredible stuff like

UFOology and paranormal studies. How did you get in all this? How did it? It's a good question. I mean, typically when if people are in any of these fields for long enough, they all tend to blend or meet in the middle. So if you do ufology correctly for a while, you end up kind of leaving behind a nuts and bolts view and kind of realizing that you're in kind of leaving behind a nuts and bolts view and kind of realizing that you're in kind of a bizarre unimos. For me, I went down the magic route instead, so the actual practice of magic and so on, and eventually you get to a point where you realize there needs to be a better metaphysics or more nuanced metaphysics to account for things that you kind of see

coming down other roads, be they conspiracy or ufology or so on, and you kind of, you reach a point where you can only but say we're dealing in a blind man and the elephant situation. And for me it was magic, and I have no idea quite why that happened. I sort of woke up one Saturday morning when I was about 13, well when I was exactly 13, and realized I had some kind of interesting dream experiences, which I can't remember. And I was fortunate enough to live in a part of regional Australia,

where there was a reasonably good secondhand bookstore and independent bookstore. So I stole some money from my parents and with the sort of four miles down the road and bought some magic books and a packet of cigarettes and sat in the grandstand of a nearby Oval and it was really off to the races after that. I love it. Now, you tou touc. You touc on something that I find so interesting and I'm the exact same way in that since Ryan and I started doing this podcast my view of what's going on in the world has expanded so much

and it's really let me there are so much insane shit going on right now that it's it's not just one thing it's a ton of things all going on at one time that people don't even know everybody thinks everything so simple and and primal and there's so much interdimensional, the interdimensional. It it it it it it it's their, it's their, it's their, it's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their things all going on at one time that people don't even know. Everybody thinks everything's so simple and primal and there's so much interdimensional stuff, uh, uh, uh, UFOology, paranormal that I believe in all this, like this insane alternative theater that is going on that is, it's really mind-blowing and it's actually quite inspiring. Yeah, I think so. I think it's much more interesting to live in a haunted universe than a materialistic one. So I totally agree. I, you know, and you use the word alternative there, Sam, and I'm not sure if that's correct, just in the sense that for all of human history, apart from the previous, shall we say,

50 years, that's been normal for everyone, and it's still normal for approximately 90% of the world's population. This idea, this kind of dickish idea, that the only thing real is that which is physically observable by science is a minor hijack of a minority of the world's population. Everyone else is not stupid enough to fall for it. Okay, so what would the word be and which I'm totally cool with? Is it paranormal? I mean is a paranormal? Well, interestingly, all the language we use to talk about this stuff emerges from that hijack from the sort of mid-19th century materialist premise. So even with words like paranormal,

that suggests it's beside normal. Okay. And I've had Dr. Jeff Krippel on the show a couple of times. And his most recent book, at least in this field, is called The Supernatural, and his point is, where embedded in its world, it's not embedded in ours. And so if we look at words like super or para above or beside, it suggests that it's still contained in that description the idea that the material or the observable is the normal and this stuff is outside, it's not correct. And that's not correct

if you look anywhere in sort of non-western or non-materialist cultures. So even at the very beginning of having the discussion, we sort of have to do so with one hand tied behind our backs because the words that we use in the English language to begin to formulate it, yes, and not correct or insufficient for the job. The the background or the basis in which we are coming from is itself incorrect. Is that what you're saying? So you know, it's starting off on the wrong hijack. Yes, exactly. It still emerges out of that same hijack. And there aren't, that means frankly that means there's a

lot of work to do. Put it that way, there's a lot of work to do in changing your thinking and we're not just yours specifically. No mine for sure. But there's a lot of work work to work to work to work to work to work to work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work work th. It's th. It's work work work work work work work work work work th. It's th. It's a that that that that's a that's a that's a that's a lot that's that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a lot. It's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. It's that's. It's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the their. It's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. It's still. It's still. It's their. It's. But there's a lot of work in thinking about how we think about it, even before we think about it. That's amazing. Now, your YouTube channel is YouTube.com, backslash Gordon NZ. Guys, everything he's talking about is available on the channel. It's a wonderful channel. Ryan and I were checking it out earlier as we ate chicken kebob, and we were having a great time. Ryan, thoughts? Well, Roon Soup, if we can get into it, your podcast, it's amazing. The guests you have on, the wide swath of topics you cover, it's in a sense that you're one of the jewels in the whole fringe topic,

crown, if you will, we're blessed to be a part of your crew, of people that are investigating these very out there type of, you know, stuff that's just you don't talk about, you know? And... Yeah, it's a... Yeah, that's really kind. Yeah. What, did we decide on a word for this? And expiration of, expression of what we're talking about?

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So how long time now. I'm just wondering if you just give them a little bit of information about your podcast in general and how it came about. Sure, well, the podcast emerged out of a blog. So I've been, uh, RoonSoup has been around for almost 10 years, I suppose. I started it, I had some time on my hands when I got made redundant by Discovery Channel in London in 2008 and I thought, oh well, I'll just start this blog. And it kind of, it grew from there, so it's still principally about magic and specifically chaos magic, but again, as we sort of discussed, if you talk about magic in a coherent way, you're talking about everything, right? So it, it, it, that's where it was. It was. It, that's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll just, I'll just, I'll, I'll, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll, I I I'll, I I'll, I I I'll, I I'll, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, you're talking about everything, right?

So that's where it was for most of the time. And a bit, coming up on two years ago, I started a podcast, and the reason for that, having grown up in regional Australia and reading all these books by, particularly in the chaos sense, mostly English magicians and writers, I couldn't get my head around the idea that these people might be real and I've met basically all of the ones that are still alive now anyway so they are and the show is a kind of time-traveling love letter to 14-year-old Gordon because I was I was really fortunate you know eight years in London meant that I got to be in the in the heart of this sort of magical thing but I that's not the case the case the case th. the case th. th. the case th. th. th. the th. the the th. I'm th. I'm the th. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. th. I, th. th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th. I th. I, I thi, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, to, to, to, to, to, I'm, to. to. to. to. to. thi. thi. thi. thi. to be in the heart of this sort of magical thing, but that's not the case for most people in this field.

So it's kind of an opportunity for people to have those discussions if they aren't, or at the time I'm not now, I don't live in London anymore. But if they aren't in a situation where you can find the those conversations. And in my sense, I wanted to turn a lot of these people who's work I admire into humans because they just seem like this really abstract and impressive, but also slightly terrifying notion. So I wanted to turn them into humans along the way, and that's really been it. It's obviously struck a chord.

I just kind of, it feels like a ruse. I'm sure you guys th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thus, tho, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thus, thus, thus, thus, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, the, thea, thea, thea. thea. thea. theaugh, thea, thea, thea, thea. thea. thea, thea ruse. I'm sure you guys understand, like you think, is this a scam? Because I just kind of, I just kind of email people whose work I like. And then most of them say, yeah, all right. And then all of a sudden we're talking to people who's work I really, really like, and this is a buddy of mine's podcast. I just did a buddy he had on a podcast. I was like, this is a guy who just for the love of what he wants to do, he does construction during the day and he just has his passion for this podcast. He's gotten some amazing people on this show and it's just like,

people want to talk, people want to be interviewed, they want to express their views and they want an audience to find out, which is great. How the audience. How the audience. How the audience. How the audience. How the audience. How the audience. How the audience. How the audience. How the audience. the audience. the audience. the audience. the audience. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to their their. their is is. their is. their is. their is. their is. their is. their is. their is. their is. their is. their. their their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. the. theanananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananan toe. t. t. t. How did you come up with the name of, and guys, check out the ripple effect that was on, it's a wonderful podcast. How did you come up with the name Roon Soup? It just, it was just in my head. I don't know. Does it mean anything? It does. It has sort of multiple layers. On one level, it's just kind of cute, so that it's supposed to be like alphabet soup but to do with magic. But on a wider level it if you look at what the word run actually means like if you look at its etymology it you're essentially dealing with a soup of signs in it it's like being alphabet soup, but with the run. So it's that kind of idea that when you're navigating these spaces or attempting to, you're in a soup of signs, like, and trust them as much as you can and as little as possible and

deal with the fact that these phenomena are polyvalent and have different modes of interpretation depending on where you are and where they are and so on. So it was kind of a, it's a trick. It's initially funny, but it's also surprisingly complex if you think about it. I love that. Now, when Ryan expressed they wanted to get you on the show and we would kind of start doing research on you, the phrase, the term, the title, chaos magic came out. And that's such such th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi. thi. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's the. It's kind the. It's kind the. It's kind the. It's kind the. It's kind the. It's kind the. It's kind the. It's kind. It's kind th. It's kind of start doing research on you. The phrase, the term, the title, Chaos Magic came out, and that's such an amazing term title. Explain to us, and particularly me, the guy who flunked first grade, what is chaos magic?

Well, chaos magic is a, a, I guess, a British expression of esotericism, occultism, occultism, that happened in the 80s. There's a lot of sort of, I guess, inside baseball, to use Alex from Scepticor's term, around the beginning of the story. Basically, the occult world coming out of the 70s and into the 80s in the UK was quite moribund. You sort of have your magical orders that were either defunct or arguing amongst themselves about lineage. So OTO and Golden Dawn and so on. And there was this group of magicians initially in the north of England and then in the north of London

that were working together and sort of realizing, well, maybe you don't need all this sort of ridiculous astrological stuff and titles and so on, and let's just have a crack at it. And they did, and so they formed some, like, you know, groups practicing, and really trying to strip down in a systemic way, what the actual mechanics of the practice of magic are. And at the time, I don't know if you remember, but James Glaik's, Chaos, which is about Chaos Mathematics, which is very big in the mid-80s, came out. And because a number of the people who around the formation of Chaos Magic have a science background, they'd all read the book, and that sort of new model of the universe, with its probabilistic perspective was quite a good match for what they were thinking about.

So honestly, they just kind of picked it out of the air. It's like, well, it's chaos magic, chaos mathematics, this makes sense to us. Unfortunately, well, not maybe unfortunately, but because the word chaos is so emotive, it's been used in other stuff like tabletop gaming and so on and so people it maybe initially had a scarier reputation than was potentially deserved. Now you had talked about London and it's being the center of magic. Is London special to magic? Is there something about London that has a special place for magic and the history of magic? Yeah it does. That it's. It's that. It's a scary? It's, um, it's a scary? It's, um, it? It's a? It's a? It's a? It's a? It's a? It's a? It's a scary? It's a scary? It's a scary? It's a scary? It's a scary? It's a scary? It's a scary? A the the the the the the the the the s a scary? A the s a scary? A the s a scary? A scary? A scary? A the the the the the the the their a scarier their a scarier their a scarier a scarier a scary? A their a scary? A their a scary? A their a scary? A their a scary? A their a scary? A their a scary? A their a scary? A their a scary? A their a scary? A their a scary? A their their their their their their their their the place for magic and the history of magic? Yeah it

does. That it's you know that that answer requires sort of multiple layers on a purely practical one particularly given the 19th century golden dawn and Alistair Kroley kind of, heading into the early 20th century. It's a capital of the world, and it's a capital of the largest empire the world's ever seen. So what tends to happen when you have that influx of ideas from the edge of empire, including the sort of appropriation, rather than discovery of Hindu concepts,

and all of these things, and the beginnings of archaeology and anthropology, so going out into the near east and digging up parts of Babylon and all this kind of stuff was happening in London. And in fact a lot of the Golden Dawn magicians were, several of them worked for the British Museum and other ones just kind of hung out there. So it was in this very imperial soup that different ideas and concepts started to come together. So on a practical basis, this last 150 years of magic could only have sort of been born in that particular city. But as for London's magic itself, it clearly has some of them.

It clearly is a spirit that quite likes running things. That's 100% City of London, all that stuff. There's some interest. And we're going to get into the Royal Family and all that stuff right there. A couple of your books, you want to get into this? Yeah, for those that are initiated into this, into your works, how would you describe starships? Star ships is, well, so I have a sort of long-running interest in

Atlantology, right? So stories from before the end of the Ice Age and floods and all that kind of stuff. One of the more transformative books, and it's probably the same for a lot of people listening, that I read as a kid was fingerprints of the gods by Graham Hancock for instance. And so it's always been in my head that the we arbitrarily, and it's another part part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of part of the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the gods by Graham Hancock for instance. And so it's always been in my head that we arbitrarily, and it's another part of that imperial hijack, date quote unquote civilization, at least we did until the last 30 years, from 3,500 BC with the beginning of writing in Summa,

but obviously humans are however many million years old we are as modern organisms. So you're kind of at the very, very very very very very very end of that story and the rest of it's more or less dark because archaeology and anthropology initially is constructed around physical and textual evidence so you right infinite loop yeah and what's emerged over the last 30 years and in particular maybe in the last 15 is that notion of the neolithic and the last 30 years, and in particular maybe in the last 15, is that notion of the Neolithic and Paleolithic as being a nasty, brutish and short existence is not at all correct. Like, you know, they had a very sophisticated herb lore, they're using antheoges, they're

building all these, I mean, the book begins discussing Gobektepe, which I'll mention in a minute. But what appears to be the case is that given that, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their ne, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thoeoleoliiio, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the these. I mean, the book begins discussing Goeckley Tepe, which I'll mention in a minute. But what appears to be the case is that given that their brains were the same size as ours are even slightly larger, those same questions and that same experience about what's the point of life and how we interact with the wider universe and so on has been a very long running. It is the sort of defining human traitraitraitraitraitraitraitraitrait typically when you study or if you get into that sort of esoteric Atlantis world, people look back into the past for the answer. You should look back into the past for the question. I find the question more enriching the idea that 30,000 years ago, you have cavemen essentially doing the same thing.

What's it all about? And how do we interact in a wider universe sense? And as a result of sort of exploring the new genetic and archaeological evidence that supports this, it became apparent that a lot of the spirits that you find in the sort of Northwest European magical tradition are much, much older than we thought, like much older than we thought, 20,000 years, 30,000 years, so on. So it's a sort of a history of the spirits of the Western tradition.

No, and you know, just to follow up on our last week's episode, which everyone really loved when we explored Hinduism and stuff like that. It's like, we are kind of coming to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the under the under to the under the under the the, the the, the the the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, thi, th we are kind of coming to the understanding that you know there have been many civilizations over time and that there's been something that resets us and we start all over and that people long time ago maybe they didn't have iPhones and all the internet but they had a very advanced culture and maybe more advanced than we have right now. Maybe it's more spiritual than it is me holding this phone right here in front of you but there's a definitely some deep thinkers from way back in the day and that you know they weren't just caveman drawing like stick figures on on walls

but they were actually very advanced. They were and the again this comes back to, that's one of the many problematic sea words we can use on a show, right? Civilization, because we do define it. It's almost too restrictive a term because it comes with notions of urban plumbing and so on. And I'm not sure how useful that is when you're talking about the long term, particularly because it forces you to use technological complexity as a yardstick. And that isn't, that's not actually where most people

derive the most joy today. Like they probably were effectively smarter than us. And I mean, I'm not sure if you were that when Picasso went into, I think it was Lasca Cave, it was one of them, and saw the paintings............. I mean, I'm not sure if you were that when Picasso went into, I think it was Lascaul Cave, it was one of them, and saw the paintings, he came back up and said, we've discovered nothing. In the 30,000 years, and it's true. If you look at some of the art and these things, you go, that's, it's astounding.

Right. So they managed to do that with that. And these devices, these surveillance devices that you stare at for nine hours a day making yourself depressed. Like, hmm, are we better than that? Or are we better than them or are we worse than them? Like, think about it. It is. It's very interesting. You also had another book called The Chaos Protocol. What's it cover? Chaos Protocols is a, if people are kind of new and interested in maybe how magic and the esoteric and what have you would operate in a modern world, that's the first book to start with. That's the best one to start with. It essentially, I'm sorry, I'm just, can you say that one more time? Yeah, yeah, sure. So if you're listening to this and you're kind of interested in how magic and the esoteric thic th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thic th th thic thic thic thic thic thic th thi- thi- thi. thi- thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the thi. the the the the the thi. the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to to to to to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th one more time? Yeah, yeah, sure. So if you're listening to this and you're kind of interested in how magic and the esoteric may work in your life in the modern world, that's the book to start with. And it sort of emerged from the realization that we are in a one of the most, if not more significant, than the industrial revolution, we're in another significant transition phase economically and whatever speaking. And too much of the magic the magic the magic the magic the magic the magic the magic the magic the magic the magic and the magic and the magic and the magic and the magic and the magic and the magic and the magic and the magic and the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the the the theatic thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea thea thea thea the the the the the the the the the the the may th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. their their their thea. thea. thea. thea. the Revolution. We're in another significant transition phase economically and whatever speaking. And too much of the magic that people rely on

is not up to the task. So chaos protocols is about how you use magic in a world undergoing the changes we're currently experiencing. So it's, it's that, essentially. Wow. So interesting. I love it, dude. I love it. I love it. And you had another book, Pieces of Eight.

What has survived over the many decades? What's the book about? What survived through the years? Pieces of eight is kind of... It's a difficult way. Like, pieces of eight is a chaos magic book. So if you know chaos magic, start with that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, like pieces of 80s a chaos magic book. So if you know chaos magic, start with that one or at least read that one.

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event emerged in the 80s and said, well, let's, let's revisit some of them because it's spent that 20 years being, particularly once it hit the US and outside of its sort of initial context, which is fine, but it became associated in the early internet days with You Can Do Anything, which wasn't really the point. So can you swap a wand for a plastic Jafar statue from the Aladdin films and will that work as well? And that became, well you can just use this and go, that's not what they were doing. Like the original Chaos Magicians were systematically working through the kind of technology of magic to see which bits you did need and which bits you didn't

and which bits can be optimized. It's different to say you can do anything, you can use anything to do anything is not correct. Yeah. So that was, the book was kind of like throwing that into chaos magic discussions. It's been really so interesting. So you think that the future is where we get off our phones tho the th phones th phones the th phones th phones th phones th phones the th phones tho tho tho the tho tho tho the tho tho tho the tho the tho the tho the tho tho the tho the the tho thi thi the thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. thi. th. th. the the th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the thi the the thi thi thi throwing that into chaos magic discussions. And it's been really popular. That's so interesting. So you think that the future is where we get off our phones and off our computers and in a weird way almost go back to what it was before the internet and all that stuff? Well, there is no going back. And I, I, I, cats out of that.

But that's why I call it post-digital or a return to the analog. It doesn't mean we all kind of start. We go up into the attic and get the loom and bring it down and dust it off and start, you know, weaving. But it does mean that the future, if you look at the 20 years up until maybe 2008, the idea was that the future was digital, like of th........... thiiiii. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. I I I I I I, th. I I, th. I I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I I, th. th. th. I, th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. And, thi. And years up until maybe 2008, the idea was that the future was digital, like of everything. Yes. My dad used to be like learn computer skills, that's the future. Yeah, and that turned out to not be correct.

Yeah, it really is. These amazing devices. I mean, we're using them now. And if the trajectory isn't more and more digital, it's more and more real life. How do we, what is the appropriate way of having these platforms and tools in our lives rather than having them be our future? So it's that. And I don't have the answer for that,

because we're only 18 months into the process of realizing, it's pretty shit on the internet at the moment. It's gross. And I glad it's not the future. I agree with you man. I incorporate that into like where is the authentic and where is the analog and I think people are feeling that without sufficiently describing it if you look at the tools that are popular platform-wise for younger generations. They don't use Facebook because it's filled with parents it It's basically linked into them, right? They don't really use Twitter so much, but if you look at things like Snapchat and the stuff that's coming before it, Snapchat's ephemeral.

Like if you aren't there for the moment, you don't get it. So in a weird way, that's what a generation who only knows the internet, like they are born post-internet. That's the beginnings of discovering that if you're not there for an event, so it's time-based authenticity, you don't get it. And so it's this beginning of a culture sort of discovering that actually real things are probably better than the digital, or at least make your life taste better, and I don't know what the mix of using platforms is more important than digital.

Or just experiential. Yeah. Yeah. And how you incorporate that and what the appropriate use of the surveillance platforms are. And I think they're useful in a find the other sense as long as you kind of find the others and move those others into the analog. It seems to be a best practice trajectory, but it's fascinating cultural times.

This is sort of what I mean in why chaos protocols came out when it did. This is a technological change that is, how to describe this. It's a profound technological change that also you need to keep it, keep at a distance. And I don't know how else to describe it other than that thimes, th th th th th that, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, th th th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, it's, it's, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is is thi, is thi's thi's thi's thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii's thii, thi, keep out of distance and I don't know how was to describe it other than that so it's it's a much more complicated journey into the real and the use of technology and so and and much of that

thinking emerges from chaos protocols when on starships real quick the you know you brought up that like the internet's kind of shit and it's very interesting because a word I would describe is it's in chaos right now it's it's really. it's really. it's really. it's really it's really. it's really. it's really. it's really th it's really th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th to to thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi to thi thi to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th up that like the internet's kind of shit and it's very interesting because the word I would describe it is it's in chaos right now. It's really chaos and I don't know in Australia and in England the effects. I feel like this Donald Trump thing, I don't know how much of its theater, I think a lot of its theater and I don't know how much of it is authentic. But it just seems like we are in this place where it's like, okay, we're being flooded with false information on both sides, a very,

astroturfing. There's a lot of astroturfing going on with fake profiles starting fake rage and all this, like chaos going on. But is that chaos? That, that I agree with you, but I think that's by design. I think. It is by design, but it's chaos in terms of who it is being unleashed on. In terms of like, the puppet masters, it's all theater,

and it's all scripted. But to the people who are consuming the the theater, it is chaos. I mean, I I mean, it is chaos, I I I I mean, it is chaos, I I I is chaos. It is chaos. I is chaos. I is chaos. I is chaos. I is chaos. I the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people who are. the people who are. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people who are. the people who are the people who are consuming. the people who are consuming. the people who are consuming. the people who are. the people who are. the people. the people. the people. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the people who are. the people who are consuming. the people who are consuming. the people who are consuming. the people who are. the theater. It is chaos. I mean you don't know what to trust, you don't know what is real, what is not real, and you know, basically like kind of when, you know, America, you know, I'll just do it from American history, you know, when we first colonized, you know, took over from the Indians, the Native Americans, and it was the Wild West over here where there were shootouts and saloons and everything was crazy until there was this moment of order. Do you think we get through this and then there's more of an order to it or is it just going to get worse and worse and worse and worse?

No, I think, so I run, I have a weekly geopolitical, parapolitical newsletter called the All Road Line. In the last couple of weeks, I've sort of been thelling people, like, reduce as much as possible your exposure to social media because it's making your ability to think worse rather than better. Like, it's worse for you. And really, this kind of realization emerged from doing a weekly parapolitical newsletter, because I kind of have an opportunity to put it in a box until Friday morning.

And so I get, I get that toxic sludge washed over me only once a week, rather than nine hours a day, which is what people are doing. And that's by design. We know that DARPA spent, you know, millions trying to work out how to affect people's emotions by altering what their............... their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they. And, they. they. they. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. they to work out how to affect people's emotions by altering what shows up in their Facebook news feed and so on. And you're looking at it now and dialed up to 11, and it is reducing people's ability to think and form opinions. So it's actually worse.

You're stressing your amygdala, and that makes decision-making more difficult, and that can only be by design. That's what it is. I think if my background with digital and social media means I can tell you 100% that it's very easy to sort of set at 1.2 the word Nazi so that the only tweets that show up in your tweet feed have the word Nazi, and it better or worse, but that means every time you look at it, this is the only thing.................. I I I I. th. th. thin. thin. thin. thi. thi. I. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, thi. It's, thi. It's, thi. It's, thi. It's, thi. It's, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. that's thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's the. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's theeee. that's that's the. the. thi. the. the every time you look at it, this is the only thing you see. I, I, it's so interested, I was gonna, I was gonna get into this after we talk to you, but like there's a real, real movement here done by a very powerful group of people in

this country to cause complete, again, chaos, racial tension, fighting, you know, this thing that went in in Charlestonville. Like, is it theater? There's there's there's there's there's there's th. There's th. There's th. There's th. There's th. There's th. There's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I was a th. I was th. I was thi. I was th. I was th. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. th. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. know, this thing that went in in Charlestonville. Like, is it theater? There's a lot of thought that there's a lot of theater. Aaron is laughing at this right now. But Aaron, I'm watching... I'm laughing at how you butchered Charlottesville into Charlestonville. What did I do, Charlottesville? Okay. Dude, I've never said I was smart. I'm trying my hardest here, okay? So the whole thing is like you see these titles of these blogs, these articles, these articles, liberals using violence to peace, and it's almost like they're begging you to

cause violence, and that these people with these blue checks on their names on Twitter, these power elitists who may get a lot of money to tweed and bring you to news like Rachel Meadows, $30,000 a day who like stir the pot, but never ever will ever feel the effects of what she's talking about, what she's trying to cause out there, which is racial tension between poor whites and middle class ethnics and there's like everybody's going at each other but the people telling you to do it will never actually feel it. They will never feel getting locked up and arrested for causing violence at a march. They won't have the criminal record that will be a tagged to you for doing all this stuff

that will directly affect your way of life from there and it's it's really sad and you know you bring it up the Nazis and stuff like that that's a really big thing like right now in this country they are trying to associate freedom of speech with Nazis like you see it hapen all the time and I think with the it's become apparent like so maybe there are and I'm obviously there are in the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th the th th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. th. thi is in thi is thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi is is really th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's the is the is the is the is the is the is really the is really the. It's really the. It's really the. It's really the. It's really the. It's really their the. It's really the. It's really, like so maybe there are, and obviously there are in some sense, two things are going on. One, it's almost like if you could remove all the hijacking from it, something quite good

is happening, which is a culture is reconsidering and re-looking at what racism and racial equality would look like, given that the 20th century is a story of securing legal equality. And the 21st century is a story, it would appear of going, that's excellent, the remaining 20% is the kind of cultural equality. I had no idea, I had no idea there were so many Confederate statues left in the US. I had no idea. It is crazy. It is nuts. And if you take all the anger and and blatant manipulation, we'll come back to it. But if you've taken it all the way, what you're actually seeing there is a really good discussion. I did genocide studies at university.

And the Germans, unsurprisingly, are quite good at this in the sense of how do you commemorate an event without putting a statue of Gerbils up. Like how do you commemorate a grandfather who fought for your country, but he's also, guess what? He's a bad guy. Like, how do you do that? So they've had 60 years to work out how to commemorate events and remember the past without lionizing stuff that isn't correct anymore, right? And funny enough, you can see, if you look at it glass half full, that's a really good thing for a culture to go through and it is associated with this kind of forth-turning or whatever

you want to call it. So that part is quite encouraging. Right, I would agree with that. The stuff on top of it, and this comes back to poor decision, like your amygdala is impaired, so you make poor decision making. There may be neo-Nazis or Nazis in the country, but it is a tiny fraction of the population, and we're looking for them under our beds now. Yeah, 100%. And that is, that's by design. So what they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're th. th. th. th. thii. thi. thia. thia. thiolk. thoes. thoes. thoes. thioluiolomea. thiol-aqqq. thoomomomom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoomomomomomom. thoomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomom. th. th. thoe. th. thoan. thoan. th. thoan. thoe. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's toea. toea. toea. that's. that's. that's that's So what they're doing there is making you scared and angry

and it reduces your decision-making ability and cohesion right across the population and people will turn around and ask for a police state. And that's, I suspect the goal on both, however much of this is engineered and at least some of it is, well, worse than that. So what you'll do now is, it'll kind of be a Patriot Act 3.0 where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where the, where the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and they. And, and the, and the, and the, and the, and they is they is, and they is, and they is, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and, and, and the, and, the, the, the, the, the, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, the, and, and, and, the, and, the, the, than that. So what you'll do now is they'll it'll kind of be a Patriot Act 3.0 where the, well, Catherine Fitzgalls had free-range totalitarianism, but what we're going to see now is the inability to function as you previously had in digital systems and and rights of assembly and all that kind of stuff. Not only are they going to go away, people will cheer when they go away. Yeah. I think that's that. I that. I that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's their their their their their. their. their their. their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their that's th. that's th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's. that's. thi. that's. thi. that's. that's. their. their. their. thi. that kind of stuff. Not only are they going to go away, people will cheer when they go away. I think that's the goal of the parts of it.

Some, not all of it, obviously. I mean, people are genuinely, there are real racist and there are real people who correctly find racism disgusting. I'm not one of them. Yeah, so like parts of it are real, but just because like more than one thing can happen at once, which is it's very, very easy and tempting if you are that powerful to weaponize and then fragment a population so that it turns around and asks for things that with clearer minds they would never ask for. It is so interesting.

We have a lot of crisis actor. People get busted with crisis actors, you know, false flags. We talk, you know, we see that a lot out here and it just, it is so interesting how they're, you know, to keep us safe and keep our freedoms, people want to give up all these amazing freedoms. And real quick we'll move on. Your thoughts on, have you heard of this bill that they're, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. threat. threat. th. th. threat. threat. threat. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. People, thi. People, thi. People, thi. People, th. People, th. People, th. People, th. People, th. People, th. People, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. th. th. thin. th. to. th. to. thin. th. th. th. th. thin. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. quick, we'll move on to some. Your thoughts on, have you heard of this bill that they're trying to pass, where if you participate or call for a boycott of Israel, it is punchable by 20 years in jail and a $250,000 fine, and there are US politicians, and this has nothing to do with my opinion of Israel. I'm very close with, you know, you always got to make this this kind of this warning or this and like I have very close friends of mine who are Israelis and who are Jews and this has

nothing to reflect on them. This has to do with me in my opinion a deep state move to protect a group of apartheid people. And not everybody in Israel is a part of this, okay? But there are- No, but you can talk about Israel as a government. So I'm part Jewish, so I'm at worst only part anti-Semitic if you're going to get those comments. Look, yes, it's a, it's actually a federal, it's a legal position that is incorrect and idiotic

for the US that you can take high federal positions and be a citizen of another country. So you have these Democrats who are worried about the illusion of Russian influence on the US. In the meantime, you have dual Israeli-American citizens, like in positions of power in your government. And not even, you know, Vladimir himself is stupid enough to do that. If you want, if you want like a high position in Russian office, guess what? You have to be a Russian. I think that's reasonable. Yeah. But just the fact that politicians would pass a law that their own citizens could spend 20 years in jail and you're talking fines, you're talking years that are associated with murder, rape, you know, violent crimes, and

you could spend for criticizing a foreign government and not want to participate in the trouble is it's not foreign, this is the point. You have Israeli citizens who are US citizens who are in the federal government. Like that. Like that policy needs to change and it won't. It's a disastrous law, it's horrifying, it's the slow-motion genocide that Israel is a government is perpetuating, is a, you know, a slow-motion war crime, and you can't say that anymore. And that's really bad. That's not a good situation. It is, it is tragic and it's very scary

and a lot of the stuff that goes on, Charlottesville, okay? When that stuff is happening, you wondering what's really going on behind the scenes? Because it's so, I mean's it was so well shot that's the thing that drove me crazy how like these amazing do you got drones everywhere like I max filming going on like no this filming is from phones it's all from high-end cameras and you're like okay this is going what's like this eclipse here today which is amazing but I'm wondering what shady shady shit's going down as everybody's like this eclipse here today, which is amazing, but I'm wondering what shady

shit's going down as everybody's on the weather channel watching this eclipse going down. It makes you really wonder, man. Well I, when it was happening, that was my first thought too, especially as if you look at them, and they look like military boys, the ones in the shirts with the little tiki lambs, which by the way, as you say say it say it say it say it is that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. s a th. S. th. th. th. S. S. th. thii. S. S. S. S. S. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. S. thi. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. Sh. S. S. S. S. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. the the thi. thi. thi. thi. military boys, the ones in the shirts with the little tiki lambs. Which by the way, as you say it's so well shot, you go, look at that really soft orange glow they've managed to get, they manage to capture with their DSLRs and the angles. Yes. You look at it and go, this is, um, that part of it at least is patently an op. As to however many many of the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people their th. they th. they they people, again, we have to kind of do the hand waving.

It's not that racists don't exist and it's not that racists are, you know, aren't amassing in groups and stuff. They appear to be. That's that, that's a thing, right? So, and it's gross and it is, you know. But yes, so again, you kind of need a heuristic, I think, and it comes with reducing your exposure to social media. So the Charlotteville example is a good one, where you get the news that an event is happening, and then step the fuck away from Twitter. Come back in tomorrow. Because all the stuff that happened, the other part that I thought was interesting when our perspective is the millions of times photos from previous events were retweeted as if it as if the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thu-in, thui, thui, thui, thui, thui, thui, thui, thu-soared, thuil, so thi, thi-sov, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thu, so thuil, so thuil, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, the the thi, the the thi, the, the the, the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, so thi, so th The other part that I thought was interesting when our perspective is the millions of times photos from previous events were retweeted as if they were it, as if they were part of the event. And you go, see this is how this is how the digital platform works with it because you're talking about a couple hundred people on either side at standing standing in front of this statue, right? But in the meantime, the impact across the population of the world, but also the other 330 million people in the US is magnified. That's why it looks like an op. They've sort of worked out how to fly the spaceship and make the country feel what it,

what they want them to feel. And you, fortunately, the good news is you have the power of stepping the fuck away from that. There is no extra knowledge you gain of a situation by staring at Twitter for nine hours a day. No, I totally agree. There's like literally no extra knowledge. So it doesn't mean ignore the news because that's the other thing people will say. It's like, well, easy for you to say. Yeah, clearly it is. I'm still correct that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's tha. tha. thiiiii. the thian. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tooing. tooing. the the tooing. tooing. tooing. tooing. tooing. too. too. too. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. thi. thi. thi. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. thau. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. t nine hours a day is going to make the situation

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check and has 200,000 followers. You know somebody who wants to come on our podcast is David Deary he always wants to talk about Cambridge Analytica. Have you heard of this? And that th somebody th somebody that's that's th somebody that's that's that's th th that's th. th. I th th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I th. I th. I thi thi tho. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm thi. I'm thi. I tho. I thoooo. I thooo. I thoo. I thoo. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I to talk about Cambridge Analytica. Have you heard of this? No. And that's kind of along the lines of what we're talking about, this kind of manipulation of emotions through social media, again, astroturfing and all that stuff. They're just, it's such a better platform for it. I mean, it's not even like this is speculation. This is provably what and then broadcast television was used for in the 20th century. Provably what it was used for. And this is so much better because you have it in your hand for

nine hours a day. One third of people in, it's a bit under one third of people, I used to work in digital media, as I said, in the US, have the phone in their bed with them when they go to sleep. So you have a surveillance the phone phone phone phone the phone the phone the phone the phone the phone the phone thap phone thua phone th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And this is, th. And this is this is th. And this is th. And this is this is this is th. And this is this is this is this is this is this is thi. And this is this is this is thea. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And you have a surveillance device that is used to manipulate populations' emotions that you sleep with. Like in Alan Dulles' wildest dreams, he could not have had a population manipulation platform of such power. Now, that's the bad news. The good news is put the fucking phone in the next room. Like, that's the actual good news is he go, oh, do you know what I'm I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I'm the thtip??? the thtip thtip thtip thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. that's that's that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that. the pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. the next room. Like, that's the actual good news is he goes, oh, do you know what I'm gonna do?

I'm gonna put it down. This is the post digital. This is the return of the other room. Yeah. You should have a room with no electronics in it. There should be just a room where you got books. That's it. No televisions. No, no blenders, they can listen through the blender. How long till they're, you know, your kids toy?

It's unbelievable. But let's, all this is super fascinating, but I know within a matter of moment, Sam's gonna talk about Russian hacking, DNC and Hillary. So, earlier you mentioned Go Beckley Teppy. And those that are informed about it, I mean, Graham Hancock, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, their, their, their, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. their, their, their, their, their, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. thi. th. th. th. that's, that's, that's, that's amazing, you know, like the fact that your work has overlapped with his and to those that don't know, would you be able to tell us about your experience with him and whatnot and all your...

With Graham? Yeah. I don't know him that well. We've spoken a few times. I've been, I was one of his authors of the month and he's read Starships and so on, but for the Quebecly Tepe research, I didn't. That wasn't like a joint project or so on, but we've been to places like Nan Madol. Yes, very much. Yes, very much. Can you tell us about Non-Madol. Yeah, sure.

So Nan Mademadol is one of my favorite places on earth. It's a sunken city of the dead stretched over 11 square kilometers, 11 square miles actually of a reef in Micronesia. Really? Yeah, and it's built, it's called the Venice of the Pacific. And some of the logs, it's built out of prismatic basalt logs. And some of them are over 60 tons and there aren't cranes on the island today that can lift them. So, unbelievable. In one of the things they like about it, so in CARES protocols, I have a chapter called becoming invincible, which is how you operate in this world.

The first thing you need to do is have an event, you know how we're using words like paranormal and whatever, and even the words are problematic, the words, the words, the words, the words, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin-a, thin-i, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thi, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thi, and thin, and thin, and thin, thin, and thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, are problematic, we know what we're talking about. You have to have an event of such, of sufficient extremity that there's no getting the toothpaste back in the tube after it. So the examples they're given the book are like if discovery channels done like a haunting show in your house, you should be fine. If you've been abducted by aliens, But if not, you need to go and become invincible. You need to have an event that makes you realize beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Just feel it that when you die, it's not the end. And Quebecly, oh, no, Quebecly tepane. Nanmedoll is one of those where it is literally a sunken city of the dead that you can walk around that shouldn't be. It's like an octoparet. Like tho th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the, tho, tho, tho, tho, thu, thu, the, the, the, the, the, tho, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, the the they. And, tho, tho, tho. And, togu.e.e. And, togu.e.e.e. And, togu.a. And, toge. And, they nevertheless you can walk around it. I was there in January. And it's one of those few places left in the world that you go, like, I'm done. I can't find a way of modeling this with original history.

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of it isn't it's isn't the source of its sort of like anomalies it's the fact that you've the here is a reef and they built with a population that would require a population much larger than the island. They built this reef dedicated to this kind of snake spirit that showed up with these two mysterious brothers and you can't build it today. You can't build it today. And also all the the basalt, well 80% of the basalt tell came from the other side of a very mountainous island and it's ringed by man......... their, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, and it, th, th, th, th, th, th, their, thi, thi, thi, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, theyiiiiiii.ea, their, their, their, their, their, the basalt came from the other side of a very mountainous island, and it's ringed by mangroves, so how did they get them there? And the stories of how they got them there were that wizards flew them over. So there's no part of the story that doesn't break reality.

And you can learn about it, and that can be inspiring, but if you're looking for that becoming invincible experience, I would recommend walking around around I would recommend walking around Gobekle Tepe. Fascinating. I first heard of you, I was turned on to you by Greg Carl Wood from the Higher Side Chats, and likely I was also turned on to John Brandenburg. And I was just wondering, to those that don't know anything about it, would you be able to elaborate on some of the information? Yeah, yeah. I've, I've thured, I've thiiiiiiiiii. toe. toe. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to th. to to th. th. to th. th. th. th. to to th. thoing. to thi. thi. thoing, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm th. I'm th. I'm to elaborate on some of the information? Yeah, yeah. I've interviewed Dr. Brandenberg for Sceptico. He's a plasma physicist who, over the course of being involved with, you know, Richard Hoagland's Mars nerds and in the 80s and 90s and so on, he's ex-JPL and so on, and it's one of the people who is aware

that NASA has known for quite some time and whoever is, wherever that information goes once it passes through NASA in a human centipede sense, that there are some vastly ancient ruins on Mars, but what Dr. Brandenburg as a plasma physicist has worked out is that not only that, they appeared to have been bombed 500 million years ago to 250 million years ago with large nuclear weapons and it was an airburst which is designed to kill as many people as possible. Oh my God! And this is the, the isotopes in the Martian atmosphere can only be, and that are associated with these bombs can only be,

can only be put there artificially and only via weapons. So he's, as a plasma physicist, he's run down all the kind of fission options, all the solar plasma eject options, and he still looks at it to try and disprove it. But the reality is it looks like not only are there ruins on Mars, they are potentially ruined for a very alarming reason, which is something bombed them from orbit 250 million to half a billion years ago.

And does that correlate with any of the extinction periods on Earth? Not really. That's kind of before the dinosaurs. So more interestingly for me, obviously from a magic perspective, is we associate Mars this little red planet. And obviously it looks red in the sky. So there's like a blood and rust, so iron association with it. But isn't it interesting that in the classical world, the planet associated with war is the only one we've seen that appears to have literally been bombed. So, kind of have, have, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, have, have, have, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, to have, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the thro the that appears to have literally been bombed. So you kind of have, you almost have like a final fantasy

version of it which is like what imprint in the spirit world did this leave for humans to start building that story about without an understanding of what a planet is and so on, how do we associate war and death and that kind of thing with Mars and then in the mid-20th century you work out, oh shit it was bombed. That's the kind of spirit world component that I find interesting. This is one of the episodes where I was telling Sam, I was like the less you know the better because I want you just to get your mind blown. And writing on the back the back back back back back back back back back back back back back the back the the the the the the the the the the the better because I want you just to get your mind blown. And writing on the back of the nuclear war on Mars, isn't there stories about children having dreams of this war? Yeah, there are. So, well, it's my interpretation that they're having dreams of war. So I kind of, I don't know if you know who Jim Tucker is, but he has done

many decades of research into children having past life memories that they sort of talk about. I think my nephew has because he insists that he lives, he's lived in Denmark or, and he's under four, so over four they start to fade. Yeah, that isn't, I've heard of that before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Dr. Jim Tucker's research is when you want to look into there. So I kind of keep my eye in that world and I found some, this isn't from Dr. Tucker's research, it was just tangental, that there's a couple of kids and one in particular who remembers an incarnation not on this planet and describes, describes physics components. Again it's the usual story with past life memories where you go, you have information that a child under four shouldn't have.

And here's we're related to kind of propulsion systems and stuff that makes it look like perhaps. He is in fact remembering a life on another planet, and that their planet was torn apart by war and and sort of operable bombardment. I said, well, that's interesting because it bears a passing match to my interpretation of the Martian ruins. So that would be a kind of example of it surviving, that sort of idea of it surviving in the spirit world. There is a famous story about a kid, a young boy that was born that talked about past life and being murdered and it all correlates to this woman who like lived far away like a decade before a

decade or two before who fits the description perfectly Gordon do you mind if we call you right back because your screen is up frozen can we call you right back so it is yeah go for it I'll call you right back because I want to get into this last thing before we end this all right there we go and I know people like I know where I'm gonna get killed on YouTube the picture's frozen but I'm like I get it man he was cricking with gas I didn't want to I didn't want to stop the rock there he is there we go say about that's all right dude not a th thick he he he he he th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no that that that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the th stop the rock. There he is! There we go, sorry about that.

That's all right, dude. Not a problem. I know it's a broad question, but do you believe disclosure will happen in our lifetime? No. No, that one's easy. I do not. And if it does, be very suspicious of it.

Because I think fairly quickly after World War II, the, how to describe this, the world view of the people who have as much knowledge as possible, is not a little green man one. The little green man one is for the most part an op. And a very good one in the Cold War because it could have thought in, like can you imagine being in Moscow and finding out that these capitalist pigs

have got their hooves on a flying saucer? That sounds like that's really good air cover for experimental aircraft testing and so on. That said, obviously the phenomena are real So if you get disclosure in in a climate like this be very suspicious of it Because it's it's not that it's not they're hiding bodies in an underground base and and actually this is what's going on and so on, but also I don't think they care. I don't think they care. I don'tinks. I don't think, and it's self-evident over the last 15 years that particularly with the US, but just populations in general, they don't care what your opinion is of anything. They don't care.

They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. I think we probably are. I've said that. We're either having been passed a Van Alembel or we're on every plant in our solar system and I believe... We're at least on Mars. Yeah, we're at least on Mars and the story of our experience with the moon is probably not correct, although we're probably permanently there as well. But Mars seems to be the place.

And the flying source of technology is essentially Victorian. If you look at the fact that it's electrogravitic, it means that you have the kind of counter-rotating Tesla stuff. That's literally Victorian technology. So we're 120 years past that. And if you can get to Mars in what is essentially a steampunk bathtub. Imagine where we are now. Anyway, so the point is, I don't think they care. There's no evidence that they'll they'll they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll care they'll they'll care they'll care they'll Anyway, so the point is I don't think they care. I don't, there's no evidence that they'll care what you think about anything.

So I don't think they need to sit there and have a serious discussion with the American people about what's going on. That doesn't look like 2017 to me. Agree with that. And not to jump around, but we are called tinfoil hat. We do get a little kooky sometimes and go on the edge of what's possible. And a lot of thing that comes up, we get a lot of people asking us about the Queen. And I'm wondering, you've lived in the UK for a little bit. I know you're not there now, but what's the possibility that the Queen is running this whole global elites? Is that, is there any validity to that? She's not running the very the very the very the very the very the very the very the very the very the very the very the very the very the very the very thauqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq. t. t. global elites. Is that, is there any validity to that? She's not running the globe's elites,

but she is the very idea that this, you know, she's just Britain's grandma and they kind of wheel around in her expensive hat to open parliament and kind of, you know, wander past children's hospitals. This woman, when she ascended the throne, in that little red box, her first communicates were about Stalin. She has seen them all off. She packed out an empire, as far as I can tell in history, she's the only person who's packed

out an empire without collapsing the home country. And she makes her grandson get married on a ritual floor reserved for the ruler of the world. She wanted Brexit, so we got Brexit. She didn't want, which I'm pro, I'm pro-Europe, but I'm anti the actual euro as a currency, so I'm kind of finding that. Is that new world order stuff? Is that why?

It just doesn't work. It's because it's abandoned up to 50% of the youth of southern Europe to penury and permanent unemployment. It's a harvesting mechanism. 50 years of southern prosperity was tipped into Germany. It's disgusting. And I find people who are pro-Euro disgusting because they've abandoned the youth of Europe. Anyway, would that be said for free trade and NAFTA and all that stuff in America? Yeah, it's that it's a very similar centralizing process, right?

So that's fun. But if we go back to the Queen, she got Brexit. She didn't get, so... She wanted Brexit? Oh yes. Really? Look, she's like the chief crowned head in Europe. Like, here are these bureaucrats in Brussels. I'll tell you why

there's going to be a pivot to essentially refloating a British empire. This is what I think her play is. I think when you add and it's called Kanzook in think tank. So it's starting to happen. So Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK. If you add the populations together. It's about half UK, half everyone else, but us out here make more money. If you add the militaries together, because bear in mind, all our ships and all our planes have an R at the front of them, which is royal. So the Queen is one of the only, is the only person on earth as far as we can tell who personally has a Navy. Like, she she can ring up, essentially the Australian version of joint chiefs, bypassing the Prime Minister and say, bomb Indonesia. She can say that.

She has the power now. Royal name. No, no, no, she's never not had it. It's your name. Right, that's why I'm sorry about that. So, the idea that she's a figurehead,'s like all these people who are that rich. In her case, she is clever, but she's very clever and people who are that rich and that powerful are very dangerous and they inevitably get what they want. And I think I think manipulating the Scottish independence vote

to keep them to stay and Brexit and Trump somehow are part of a long game. Yes, she's playing a long game and she has to do it while she's alive because she's more popular than her son. Well all her children effectless except Anne I guess but she has to do it while she's alive or at least start the process. Is she the head of the committee of 300? I think, based historically, I think the Queen, the British monarchy has, like all monarchies, the primary goal is, the first goal is to perpetuate monarchy. So when you become king or queen, job one is to make sure that your kid becomes king or queen. That's it. Job one. And then the rest of it, the rest of it is kind of, well what else can I do? I don't think she runs the world.

I don't think she wants to. I think she's one of the most powerful people in earth, but I think she's in it for her and Britain, which is essentially part of her job. But if you look at what Britain's done in conjunction to keeping the UK together and Brexit, it's doubled its military budget. There are two super carriers coming online. And I remember this happening in about five years ago. So it's still in the UK. Maybe it was only three or four years ago. All these articles in the newspaper going, we've just spent billions of pounds on these two aircraft carriers that can't even like land our own planes. And it was a sort of joke like, oh, you know,

government budgets, they can't do anything right now. I'm like, are you serious? Do you honestly think that you can actually get two ships built for billions of pounds and no one's sort of, I wonder if the planes work on it. And then all of a sudden, the sort of geostrategic situation for Britain in the world has changed. And Theresa May's looking at changing military alliances with the U.S. There are overtures already to Canada and New Zealand to, from a military perspective. So somebody's playing to... So what you're saying is the relationship between the US and Britain militarily could change? I suspect because the U.S. and Britain militarily could change? I suspect because the U.S. military situation is going to change, despite what Trump is about

to say or has said about Afghanistan, the U.S. in 2016, there were fewer troops abroad than in any year since 1943. The U.S. is pulling up the drawbridge, and you see that culturally. The trouble is the rest of the world runs on the naval guarantee that the US extends, and they're not interested in extending it anymore. And in some respects, that's quite interesting. This is straight out of Stratford. This is the end of Breton Woods, but this is straight out of Stratford, so you get the kind of military of of military the kind of military the kind of military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military the kind of military the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind kind kind kind the kind kind kind kind kind the kind kind kind, the kind, Breton Woods, but this is straight out of Stratford, so you get the kind of military positioning on it.

That's why Trump keeps talking about NATO and them needing to pay their way and so on, because America's economic challenges, so Brazil and China and so on, have been subsidized by the presence of the US Navy keeping things like the sea lanes free. And that's very expensive for you guys. So the, and as you, and as you th, and as you can, and as you can,. So the, and as you can see with Trump going, everyone else needs to pay their way now. Like the weird thing is he's actually correct, they fucking should. No, 100%! Europe spent the last 50 years getting a free military ride. And here's what gets interesting, right?

So the second biggest Navy in the world is Japan. So they probably won't do it. The third biggest is Kanzuk. The third biggest is Canada, UK, Britain, Australia, New Zealand. So that's interesting. So Brexit, Trump, bringing these super carriers online, and there is some kind of reposition going on. And the reason I brought the super carriers up is this demonstrates that it's a much longer project because it takes rather a long time to get aircraft carriers into the water. So they've had to have been scenario planning that from a decade before now.

Man, that is so interesting. So yeah, this is, but you don't get this if you're tweeting about punching Nazis on Twitter. You're actually seeing a reformulation of the global elite and you're talking about punching Nazis. And that's very frustrating. That's the whole thing. Gordon, you were excellent. I appreciate, are you going to be in, I know you were in San Diego, we were supposed to have you on, but unfortunately schedules could make it.

Any trips coming to LA anytime soon? Probably but nothing nothing this year but I'll certainly be back. It's a great town. We would love to have you in studio. We're going to be starting to do, we're with all things comedy and we're doing a lot of more high-end production stuff and we would love to have you in studio and they're supposed to build us a set to do a show with Greg we're working with Greg Carwood on a show and we'd love to have you in this has been one another wonderful episode I've learned a lot from it any final thoughts Aaron I mean Brian before then we'll get there now it's been great it's been honor to have you on Gordon I really

appreciate thank you very much. It was my pleasure. And this is everyone's favorite part of the show where a dream donut truck sponsors. Thoughts Aaron. Aaron, before we let Gordon go, thoughts on Gordon and what he said, you're in? You're in? You're not in, you're nothing? on the internet for not having his fucking eyes wide open. Open that third eye, Aaron, it's some deep shit. Gordon, thank you so much for coming on. Anything you want to finally push for our listeners?

No, it's all good. You know, it's a good chat. Ruins Soup.com if you want to know more. All right, man, you are a G, my friend. Thank you so much. I'm going to check. Real Real quick, oh so earlier in the game, you said there was a really great book on Chaos earlier, really at the beginning. Oh, it, uh, it's dated. I mean it's a mathematics book by James Gleic and it's called Chaos, but it was a classic in the 80s. It's a mathematics book, okay. Yeah, yeah, so remember Chaos, Maths, and it was big at the that. So that was kind of in the air in the 80s. Perfect. Gordon, thank you so much for getting up early and you know joining us in on the show. Thank you for coming on Tim Foyle Hat and we look forward to hopefully doing again down the line. You're very welcome. Thank you so much. Gord and tak to the ta. too'm. Gord White everybody. Gorda. Gordon white white white white white white white white white white white white white white white white. Gordon white. Gordon white. th white. th white. th white. th white. th white. th. th. th. Gorda. Gord white. Gord white. Gord white. Gord white. Gord white. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. Gorda. Gorda. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. th. th. th. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. G. G. G. G. G. G. th. Man, what a fun episode. I know we gotta get out of here soon, Aaron, but real quick, let's get into some of these. We want to talk about this real quick.

Yeah, sure, if you guys notice up there in the front, those on YouTube, those that are on home, we've gotten something sent to us. There are a bunch of magic sauce and magic spices by prosers spice. I want to send you some good shit. So yeah, we appreciate it. Check them out at prosersspice.com. That's PROS-s-e-r-s-spice-e-e-do. We love it, man. Thanks a lot. And if you want to send us stuff why we're growing, get us now.

We have an address to send to. Where we're sent to. Yeah. of tinfoil hat. It's going to be 8433, Sunset Boulevard, Los Angeles, California, 900069. Anything you want to push, any type of products, you know, right now we're just floating like a pirate ship. Sam wears an extra large, I wear a large. We'll wear your shirts, we'll push your product, that's what we're doing. Aaron, did you not enjoy that? I felt it was a wonderful conversation. I definitely enjoyed it. He's got a great voice and he sounded his setup was beautiful. Does British Australian accent make it sound more legit? Oh yeah, it's got to be.

Certainly does. Yeah, we sound a bunch of bumpkins. I don't feel like I understand anything more about magic. Three books, Amazon. I know. I know but he just he never really quite explained. Well, I don't know if we don't, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the set, his set, his set, his set, his set, his set, his set, his set, his set, his set, his set, his set, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his the set, his their set, his their set, his their set, his their set, his their set, his set, his set, his set, his set, his set, their set up, set up, his set up, set up, set up, set up, his set up, set up, his set up, his set up, his set up, his set up, his set up, his set,.com. I know, but he just, he never really quite explained. Well, I don't, I don't know if we gave him the opportunity because we had a lot of stuff we wanted to talk to and I didn't want to go too much into magic because I did want to get into, you know, Mars and the shapeshifting lizard people that I think the royal family is, you know, that's my opinion. I did want to know if the queen eats corgis on a nightly, like, you know, I think she's, I did, I mean like, boy, you brought up some amazing points, dude, you know, and like stuff that we as Americans living in this bubble don't always

necessarily get to hear and that is the reformation. Yeah, I would have liked to hear more about the Europe and how it, the Euro, the Euro, the Euro, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thin, thin, they, they, they, they.e, they.e, they.e, they.e, they.e, they.e, they.e, they.e, they, they, they, th have liked to hear more about I'm going to Europe, I would have liked to hear more about the Europe and how it has affecting everyone. But surprisingly enough, that's not what the show is about. Yeah, tinfoil hat, we have a big following in Australia and in Ireland and in the UK, so it's really cool to get a voice from kind of both worlds. It is. Now we read, and before we leave, we do everyone's favorite reading we're doing the LA Speedweed Speedweed.com for all your speedweed needs reading your iTunes you want to start off right here Aaron and read up I mean excuse me Ryan I've done it twice all that guys look the same punch drunk sports it's all been chaos the podcast gets better and

better as time goes on there aren't a lot of podcasts that dare to to touch on some of the subjects that they do it's a great listen for the veteran. the veteran the veteran the veteran the veteran the veteran to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. the the to. the the the the the the to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the the to. to. to. to. to. I'm. I'm. I. I. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. toucest on some of the subjects that they do. It's a great listen for the veteran conspiracy theorists, aka critical thinkers. Hey, there's a, that's what the term we should use. Yes. Or for some just starting up to wake up with what's questioning and going around them, I always make it a point to tune in, keep them coming. I love it. And 39, 39 or the net was conspiracy theorist, conspiracy podcast, five stars. Next one's Brilliant by Mommy Main. This podcast is absolutely brilliant. Ten out of ten.

Ten out of ten, home boy. If you guys are on iTunes, give us five star reviews. We're trying to get up to a thousand. That makes a big deal in the algorithm how we can get sponsors and all that good stuff. Love the content, five stars by Rogaroo. Not the name for you to read. Wish the episodes were longer and less rushed. Also, the flat earth people can stay home and never be mentioned again.

Hey dude, you know people. I'm into, I'm into, what's the theory, simulation theory? We'll get into that. That's one we gotta do very soon. And the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last th th th th that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. the the the th. that's. I that's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theyo, the the the the the the the the the the the theory, simulation theory. We'll get into that. That's one we gotta do very soon. And the last one, by dub trubs. Mad props, five stars. The more minds, the more mind the seeds of knowledge can be sown in the better. Independent investigation of truth is so important, and I appreciate open minds like y'all,

that keep riding the waves toward truth and understanding. Also, Mr. Lyff definitely needs to make an appearance. Who's Mr. Lyft? I don't know. Who are you, Mr. Lyft? Who is Mr. Lyft? We don't know. Hit us up on Twitter. Hit us up on Instagram.

Let's know, because I've seen Mr. Lyfts before. thing you're like I'd love to see what everybody looks I want to see Gordon White's sexy ass face right oh yeah you go to YouTube dot com backslash Sam Triply and check it out subscribe and love the comments we love the comments I love that people go to war on the comment section now if you're always commenting negative I don't need to hear it I'm I'm totally open to you know critical analysis and be like how the show could be better or maybe this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this th th th th th this th th th th th thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. thi thi the. thi thi the. thi thi thi thi thi the. the.. I'm totally open to, you know, critical analysis and be like how the show could be better or maybe this show wasn't the best or that. But if you're always showing up super negative all the time, it's just it's not worth it. We don't need to hear from it. I want to hear your thoughts both positive and negative. I don't call them trolls. I call them ravens. Raven Raven Raven Raven is called an unkindness. Oh, really? Yeah.

I did not know that. You look like you want to say something. Oh, I was going to say I thought you guys are purveyors of alternate thought. I love that. I love that. Pervaiers of alternate. We got to write these down. We got a couple of them. Aaron is going to be gone for the next two episodes. He's gonna be going on his honeymoon.

We wish you nothing but happiness. Thank you. I hope you get her, you know, your lady pregnant before Ari and Tib try to do it. That's another podcast. But we wish you nothing but safe travels. Aaron, you will be missed. Do you know who will be joining us? We're working on that. Oh, there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there their their their their their their their their, thi. thi. thi. thi. to be, to be, to be, to be, to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to, to, to be, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. too. too. too. too. too. thi. too. the. too. t. today.......................................there better be sure we got two good ones next week.

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