Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - Tin Foil Hat #37: MK Ultra With Dan Cummins

Episode Date: August 29, 2017

Thenk you for tuning into another crazy episode of Tin Foil Hat with Sam Tripoli. Today Ryan and Sam welcome hilarious comic and host of Time Suck, Dan Cummins! This episode we got deep into the world of MK Ultra! We experienced some technical difficulties so please bear with us. Today we discuss..... 1) The birth of LSD 2) Mind Control 3) The Nuremberg Code 4) Operation Midnight Climax 5) The Grateful Dead 6) The Unabomber 7) M.A.P.S Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies We also give a huge shout to @birdsnatch on instagram for the amazing art he did of Sam and Ryan for the show. Thank you so much for your support. Please follow us on.... Twitter: @madhatter39ers Instagram: @TinFoilHatpod Reddit: Reddit.com/tinfoilhatshow Get all of our t-shirts at AllComedyTshirts.com

Global controls will have to be imposed and a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to tinfoil half. We go deep home boy. Aaron, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. And welcome to, I went really hard on that one. Welcome to Tim Foil Hat.

My apologies, we are up and running. We're doing a 10 in the morning conspiracy theory podcast. So let's get into it. Joining me as always is my partner in Groton the most off the grid, motherfucker you ever meet in your life. My good friend Ryan Davis. Sam, good to see you as always. Ryan didn't go to sleep, working, burning the midnight oil.

Yeah, I decided I do a little sleep deprivation for this episode. I like that. And joining us in studio before we get into some of our business. He's from the very popular podcast, Time Suck. Please welcome Dan Cummings, everybody. Thanks, man. Thanks, Sam. Always a pleasure to see you, dude. Yeah, man, I love seeing you. Thanks for coming in. Let's get a little business done real quick guys. You guys are taking pictures of yourself in the t-shirts. We're thinking. The ladies are loving the smokeweed, eat pussy, Hail Satan t-shirts. We're thinking about doing a Praise Jesus Hail Satan t-shirt as well. So check those out.

I thought it was a smoke crack chug cock, praise Jesus. I'm not against that either. I'll make both of those. There we go. All comedy t-shirts. to c. that out. Then guys, where are we at? Here we go. The Timfoil hat, Twitter is jumping. If you want real news, go there. I am just posting nothing. But what I believe is honest news on this feed. All the stuff I get from Reddit. People, people email me. Stuff people I find on the internet that I do a little vetting on. I will put it up here and you guys can see what's going on in the world, the real news, let's just call it.

That's a Mad Hatter 39ers, go check that out. And again, the Instagram is blowing up, Timfoyl Hat Pod, you know, my man Ryan is going for it doing some great stuff on there and we're just go to tinfoil hat pot on Instagram and join it and then guys I will be at the lap factory in Reno at the end of the month so come check out Rocko where you're gonna be Dan you got any dates coming up that we could hear about? Yeah I'll be uh Omaha this next week at the Funny Bone and then Columbus Ohio with the funny bone and then uh that'll be all over the rest of the year.. the year the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th th of th. the. to to to to to to to to to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. And ti. And ti. And ti. And ti. And ti. And ti. And tttttttttttttty. And ty. And ty. And ty. And to. And to. And to. And to. And to. And to. And to. And to. And ty. And ty Bone and then Columbus, Ohio with the funny bone and then I'll be all over the rest of the year like Madison, Seattle, Portland, How many do you do like every week on the road?

Are you an every week? Two weekends and I like. I like to do it. That's what I like. Yeah, I like. You get in, you have some kids. Yeah, yeah. So tell us about your podcast. It's doing really well. I'm super proud of you. And tell us about it. Well, it's just like it started like a passion project.

I was actually, because I was leaving LA, I was finishing up at Playboy where I last saw you. And then, um, I was going up to on that it was fun it was fun yeah it was fun and then I but I held his time and I just I was like okay you know I'd worked on other random shows that I liked okay but I didn't love and I'm like what would be my ideal thing and I just love I've always been a very curious person and I just love by curious by not by curious but not by curious okay but intellectually curious and and I just th like well what am I doing anyway in life like what could I you know translate to a podcast and I like to just research random things on the web just my own curiosity and so I just started doing it and then I taken the best of what I found and then I just

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That was when he took a few steps too far. And then when he talked about the moon being a hollowed, like a death star. Yes, which is our next episode. Is it really? Yeah. I love it. Yeah, the mind control stuff. And it's just, to me he he just, he seemed like we're gonna be talking about, you know, I know like LSD and stuff today, he seemed like a guy who, not that he did, but like, took a lot of LSD, you know, maybe watch The Matrix on repeats and repeats.

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I always, I always question the motive. Like, okay, here's one I don't believe in that came up, because the motive didn't make sense. And I addressed this on my podcast, but it was the flat earth theory. And there was this, and there's branches of that. But the one that I was fascinated, that I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated with, I was fascinated with, I was fascinated with, I was fascinated, I was, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, I was fascinated, was fascinated, was fascinated, was fascinated, was fascinated, was fascinated, was fascinated, was fascinated, was fascinated flat earth believers who believe that, okay, like the rest, there's a flat earth, you know, North Pole in the center, Antarctica is a crust, kind of Game of Thrones, ice wall situation. Which great episode last night.

I haven't seen it. Oh man. Oh, man. It looks good. And then, and they believe that NASA has armed guards patrolling the perimeter the truths. Right, great, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, th, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thui, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, their, their, their, their, kind, kind kindo, kindo, kind kindo, their, kind of, kind of, kind of, kind of, kind of, kind of, kinda, kinda, kind kind kind kind kind kinda, kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind, kind, kind kind kind, kind kind, kind kind kind, kind kind kind kind kind, kind kind kind, kind kind kind, kind, kind kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, thrown, their, thrown, their, their, thrown, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the perimeter of the earth to keep us from finding out the truth right right that you could push it up shuttle into space from the ice wall Yeah, don't need to launch it. Yeah, and and they're protecting the the the moon landing being fakes and and the basically they're like they're like they're just Selman Louise that shit right right right right exactly and the rationale they had for that? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their the their their their their their their their their their they. their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. they're. I. they're. they're. I. they're. they're. I. they're And the rationale they had for that was that NASA is just taking all the government NASA funds, there is no space program, and they're just using that for like Illuminati Agenda. Yeah. But here's, I did not.

Black ops. Right, right, black. But I did the numbers. You crunched them? Well, I had a, listeners are really interactive, and the distance would be. If our Earth was flat, how far around would it be? Like, what's the military perimeter that NASA has to guard? Interesting. He knew how much it cost to establish, you know, like with bases, with roving guards, with the administration.

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where it's an infinite plane. That's we've had Eddie on here high and drunk off his ass going crazy. Yeah. Like post-humanism stuff? You talk about like the. Well, it's just like, you know, it also goes back to like, the moon. And how we're just, you know, it also goes back to, like, like, like, like, like, the, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the dead and how we're all just kind and which goes back to believe or not the moon right and how we're just basically Duracell batteries and we're just doing energy and it sounds crazy but I could believe in simulation

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that carbon-based life could not live in. And then the computers could eventually want to run simulations, and to kind of like understand the humans who built them, that we could be living in one of those simulations. Dude, that is so crazy. Just like, ugh. Like, this is actually the future and we're in the past and it's almost like Westworld? Yes.

Yes. Kind of like a weird inverted Westwood. Oh, my brain's dog. We want to do a t-shirt where Ryan is kind of the back kind of like Wildy Coyote with this weird kind of like blowing up the dynamite and my head just going oh my god that's a great one that's a great one make it so I'm super glad you hit me up about coming on a show I've always been a big fan of years and I hit me up because you just did an episode on this is an Mk ultra yeah I read a great book the author's name is John's dark it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's the the the the the the the the the th you you th you th you th you th you th. th. It's thus thus thus th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. I th. I th. I th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's just just just just just just just to to to to that's to that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's just just just just just that's just book on it. I have the worst memory, but I believe the author's name is John Stark. It's Search for the Manchurian candidate.

It was written in like 79, or published in 79, and it was a guy who, you know, using the Freedom of Information Act, got a bunch of declassified CIA documents from, you know, Mkauld over them, interviewed everybody he could find, which is thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th.. And, th...... And, th, th, th, th.................. And, th, th, th, th, th.... And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thr. thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, toeeeeeeeea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toe. thr. thr., which is tricky because even when they release those documents, the names are often, you know, blacked out, and I am a firm... Redacted. Right, right, and I'm a firm believer that whatever they release, they have shredded the fuck out of, yeah. 99% more than that. Oh yeah, what we're just talking about today? Well, what we're just just just just just just just just just just just just fuck have a lot of stuff how they lost all the torture reports yeah they just lost all the tort oh man they're gone they're gone we can't somebody some idiot down there said them all on fire yeah yeah yep well you know the CIA stuff I believe a lot of conspiracy they they they they sts I they they I I I I their their they I they I they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they I I they I they I they I they I they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they the CIA because again well first of all let's start off by saying everybody in this room except for maybe Brenton yeah loves their life they're super happy right and they would never suicide themselves so we just want to start off anytime I start talking about CIA yeah yeah no don't do it don't do it

don't do it the CIA don't talk about it yeah yeah we just don't want to suicide ourselves we love America I will not be killing myself if it looks that way it's definitely a lot. Some shady shit just went out. So get into it. Well you know the CIA what it was it was started in 1947 I believe it was like the National Security Act and it was you know under Truman in this Cold War kind of thing when the Joint Chiefs of Power and all that stuff were started as well and previous the CIA, America had never had a peacetime intelligence agency, like other countries had, like Britain and stuff. We had the OSS in World War II. They were trying to do weird shit for sure, like use hypnosis to get up, to get a plant next

to Hitler, to give a code word to assassinate him. You know, they're exploring a lot of possibilities of mind control. They were definitely into through goats. Was that a famous movie? Yeah, like, like, choose remote viewing and stuff to attack military targets. They were all into that shit. And they did interviews with these guys, and it just makes sense where they're like, at that time,

you know, the, they, there's so much fear about Russians. So much. The red scare was was a real cultural thing. Which seems have we just we just gone through that seems to be over now? Yeah. Like it's moved down from the Russians now we're on the Nazis are literally everywhere? Right that's the new what well I think it went from the Russians to Middle Eastern terrorism North Korea. North Korea it went to it always kind of the Nazis now. And North Korea has always been, they were always part of the Red Scare. That was, they were part of it, you know, where there was that threat. Because, you know, like after World War II, Stalin had to push so far into Eastern Europe to, you know, fight Hitler and then we had this weird relationship with them. Right. But we're idealistic, you know, the most populated country, you know, and ideologically, or ideologically, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, after, the, the, after, after, after, the, the, the, the, after, after, after, after, after, the, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after. the, after. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, after, the. the. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, after stay here, I'm going to kind of stay in these, occupy these Eastern European countries.

And then China all of a sudden became communist, you know, the most populated country in the world. And America's like, ah, fuck. Like, if this keeps spreading, and that spreads into North Korea, it spreads into Vietnam. They're dicking around in Cuba, and they're like the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all their, all all all all all all all their. And their. And their, all their all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all. And, all. And, all. And, all. And, all. And, all. And, all. And, all. And, all. And, all. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. And, all. And, their... And, their..... And, their they use that fear to propagate the war because Vietnam hated China. They never got along. It was never, they were never going to be allies. Oh, it was the military industrial complex agenda for sure. Combined with, they sold it to America as we've got to fight the comedies.

And I think there was legitimate fear there because, you know, big corporations, the big money people who are always behind a lot of these things, they don't want communism. Right. That's not going to help their pocketbook, you know, at all. What about the fact that, and we'll get into our discussion, that China and India were about to bang. They literally like we're up on each other's borders, about to go at it, and nobody's talking about that. Those are the two most populated countries in the world about to go to war. Both have like the capabilities to wipe each other out.

Which is terrifying, yeah. Right? I mean, like we think about World War II, that's the beginning of World War III. That could be an easy India-China fight, right? Yeah. We always create our enemies. I mean if you think about World War II, people forget the Russians, people people forget the Russians, they took us to win the Eastern Front. And they're like, hey, we lost more people than you did. 20 million. You're going to help us out. No. Well, dude. The whole red. Yeah. Oh, we'll remember that. Don't. We'll remember that. Yeah. the the the the the the the the the the the r. the r. the r. the r. the r. the r. the r. the r. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the Russians. the th. th. th. th. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the r. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the Russians. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the's that nationalist narrative that, you know, a lot of countries have, but we have so much where it's like America is the big, great, noble knight, and that's not

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same again because Dr. Albert Hoffman just had the very first LSD true. Do you think he grabbed his wife Kod, I love you man! I love you so much man. He thought the neighbor lady was a witch, had a doctor called out. It was like that was a you know why they they theythe ergot is because like kind of folklore type medicine they would use it for like stemming, bleeding during childbirth and different things that has some of those kind of properties with circulatory stuff but they also knew that too much of it would lead to, you heard of St. Anthony's fire? Yes, makes your skin. Howie Right. No. But it was a TV show? It was this, it was ergot poisoning. Long-term ergot poisoning would manifest itself in two ways.

One was like gangrenous, where like rot parts of your, you know, your body, your tissue would die. It would affect your nervous system. You have convulsions and sphaws. But it also could make you go into a psychosis and have intensely powerful hallucinations. But there was a monastery. St. Anthony's I think is the monastery, who kind of these monks would treat people with this disease, but when there was like shortages of rye and people were more apt to eat like some shady looking rye, some shady looking bread, they would eat this infected bread and it would long-term use it would make entire villages go

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Do you think that's what's going on in Berkeley right now? Is just everyone's eating shitty bread and just try. And then you got a bunch of art students. getting angry like why would you go to Berkeley right now by the way when you know everybody of Florida State is just partied and getting weird why would you even go to Berkeley right now? Hippies are hot dude. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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in the eyes during this trial and people became convinced that the Russians were controlling his mind and making him say things because that was this weird thing with the Cold War, just like the Manhattan Project and the arms race. The M.K. Ultra was kind of like, they were just convinced that the Russia was like getting some magical shit done and that they were doing this. And if Russia figured out how to control people's brains before they control people's brains, we're done. Isn't that crazy? Because then they could put puppets in the government, they could do all kinds of shit. So they were looking at hypnosis, they were looking at all kinds of drugs, in addition to LSD. Hysteria? They wanted to destroy people. They wanted to destroy people. If somebody's might it in the way that they want it and basically make a perfect agent. Just like when you turn in your iPhone, they just wipe it clean. You wipe it? Well, because if you think about it, it would be how effective would the...

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Consecutively and you're already not mentally stable. I'm picturing he like came out normal though at the end. He was like, oh no, I'm good, dude. Like, he went so far down. He just came out the other side. Totally. That would be, he's working as an accountant. Yeah, he's got like two kids, you know, playing, you know, football a couple years. He's like, yeah, man, you just gotta push on through.

And his name was Dick Cheney. It's crazy. I mean, so the main doctor that was involved, the chemist who directed MKLTRA. His name was Dr. Sidney Gottlib. Yeah, I got, yeah, but he was in charge of it. Yeah, and he thought that you could use this besides just with covert operations. He believed that it could be used with high-ranking officials and it could affect important meetings and speeches.

And so this is where the idea of creating a Manchurian candidate came from. Right, right. You know, it's so it's so see these like scientists and it's like, you know, Bill Byrd does a lot of jokes about this about how like, these nerds, they just can't leave shit alone. They just have to keep making stuff and not all of it's like, oh, I can't believe that one bad. They're like, oh, it's going to see how evil, how weird and crazy. Like, there's some nerds out there that have some real evil intent, man.

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happens with certain doses of these. And then all of a sudden someone comes along and they're like, hey man, now you get to use human beings. There was a lot of those guys whothey just, you know, they just, I think, started to look at, you know, people, their subjects the same way they looked at the mice. So weird, right? Yeah. Yeah, there's a cold logic to it, but it's horrifically unethical. Yeah, and also early that Sid Gottlieb, or got, yeah, how we say his name, that Dr. Gott hold the LSD, they actually, one of their colleagues died because of it and they just pushed on through with the research. I think this is so messed up. And I wish that kind of like going like the top of Mount Everest.

Like Bill's dead, gotta keep going, dude. Well, what they did, they did, docing each other at the office to see what it did to people and spiking, and kind of making it a game from what I read, like spiking each other's things, but at least those people who got spiked once they started tripping, they're like, ah, okay. You're not good, you know, the craziest office party ever. That's I all these. And in the 50s, when they're going home and watching I Love Lucy and the Ed Sullivan show, and it's all like, you know, that kind of America, but then it worked, it's tripping balls all the time. Well, but then the fucked up thing did it, so they go to this retreat, well, these

army guys, they don Ford would later apologize and his family would actually get money because of this. That guy loses his fight, like he has a bad, bad trip, and he just like leaves the retreat, he just runs off. Takes the, takes some hours to find this guy. They find him by like some side of a highway, cowering, convinced that out to get him, they try and talk him down. Eventually, the trip goes away, but the paranoia and feelings of persecution continue. He doesn't understand what happens to him. His wife thinks he's acting weird.

They realized they got to get this guy a psychiatrist. They take him to New York for a CIA psychiatrist. He agrees to go the dude just flips out and just throws himself out of a 10-story window and splats on the ground below. And then the CIA was like, they tried to deny initially, you know, being at fault, they're like, well, you maybe it, maybe it didn't help, but it's probably coincidence. It's like, no, you fucking, you spiked his drink with LSD, they, ruined his mind and he fucking threw himself out of a window. Oh my God! Yeah. That's where the whole idea that LSD could eventually lead you to like kill yourself. Right. That's the one

one of the few deaths. Right. Right. Yeah. There's the idea with drugs there's Ld 50. L.D. 50 lethal dose over 50 percent of the population. Okay. So there's, it's something like 1500 pounds of cannabis before you die. And it's like a certain amount of coke will stop your heart. But like LSD, technically, is never, there's no going to be like a part that's going to physiologically kill you. Right, right. Your brain, every brain has a snapping point. Yeah. Yeah. And I just think again, like back then, it's so different now to trip where it's like, you know, even like, like I was in Vegas and I did it and I went to a real dark place in my head, but there was all, I think there was always at least small part of me that's like, I knew

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So if I go to you, hey man, boxing is, boxing is rigged. You, 99% of the people will be like, yeah, totally. And you'd be like, war is billions and trillions. Exactly, exactly. War is the ultimate sporting event. Right. Yeah. Why would they just leave it up to hope? And I'm saying the boxers are dirty. It's the judges, it's the people that set things up. You know, you don't need to have the actual participants be the ones taking the fall. Yeah. I mean if you look at the judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges judges. the judges. the judges. the judges. the judges. the judges. the judges. the judges. the judges. the judges. the judges. the judges. the judges. the. the the. the the. the the the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. their. their. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the one is taking the fall. I mean if you look at the judges on the Floyd Mayweather fight, they had an 8 to 1. There's no way Floyd won those first three rounds. I mean it's just, but Vegas needed him to win that fight, you know, so it's interesting. So going back to this, some famous people were involved. You brought up Whitey Bulger. Yeah, I mean which is so interesting because like these guys play ball and then eventually it turns

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place where it's like well they just hate freedom and they're terrorists and they're evil people no motho fucker they've been bombed they've been bombed for fucking generations that's all their family their family their family their family their family they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're try try try tto to try try to try to try they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're lot of them don't even this. They hate the fucking terrorists more than we will ever understand because they live there. 100% fucking drives me crazy. I sit there and argue with these alt-right guys constantly on Twitter. I go, well, well, they're like Islamic jihadists are gonna kill us. I'm like, well, you know, what role does our bomb of just four bombs per minute have to do with their anger towards, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. I, th. I, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, yeah, their anger towards us. Oh, well, you just wait till they come. Dude, if they come, they come, but it's not because they're mad. They hate our freedoms. Right. It's because they're trying to get the fuck out of the way.

Exactly. The bombs getting dropped on. I did a thing on ISIS in Syria, and it's like, I got a little bit a little of of of of was taking this pro-Muslim stance and I was in the sense that like, you know, the terrorist rep are two Muslims overall, like fucking snake charmers, you know, to overall Christianity. You know, it's a fringe extremist kind of group within a group. And it's like nobody hates them more than the casual Muslim who are in the middle of the fucking crossfire between Assad and ISIS every god-dam day. It's like they just want to fucking live their life. They want to open up a store they want to fucking work as an accountant and watch

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to change minds. Yeah. And not to bring it back into something weird but there's a guy named Bill Wilson, he started AA. And at the last step it says having had a spiritual awakening, you spread the message of AA. Well he wanted it says having had a spiritual awakening, you spread the message of AA. He wanted to say having had a spiritual experience because he did LSD five times and never reset his sobriety date. That's my plan. And he did it when it was legal. He had it administered to him in a veterans hospital right here in LA.

And he realized that this has the ability to change, you have ego death, you no longer see yourself as this big, tough guy. You learn to love yourself, you learn to love other people. And I mean, shit, I've got arrested when I was 19 for felony possession of LSD. And I, that's what, this is when I found out that if you have a hundred hits of acid, whether it's a sheet or a vile, that isn't just a Schedule I felony drug charge of a controlled substance. That is intent to overthrow the government. What? That's in the law.

Seriously? Is that crazy? Because they know. And how fucking hypocritical, where that stuff stuff kills me where the CIA, they're fucking spiking people's drinks, they introduce this drug specifically into our culture and then once they find out like that, now it's a felony. I know there's the classes. It's the ISIS.

Khrushes. So, Osama bin Laden, all those guys were like Noriega, they fucking fund these guys, they have them do our dirty work, and then when they don't play ball, now they're the enemy and the American public's like, fuck, yeah, hell yeah they are. Yeah, it's just, well real quick, because then I don't want to get the thing. But didn't you say that this guy, the sound engineer, the the thukukuke, the the the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, the sound, their, their, their, their, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they's, their, their, their, they's, they's, they's, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, so.. their, so. their, didn't, didn't, so, didn't, didn't, so. their. their, didn't. their. their, some that was ran by the CIA and that maybe in some weird way the CIA used the Grateful Dead to spread these drugs? There's theories on it. No Deadhead's gonna like that to think that the dead, whether the dead knew they definitely didn't know but this dude Owsley he made the best acid but like it's Sandho's laboratory they have like barrels of shit.

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get in because I know you want to end on a super high note. Well I was just going to end the how. So in 1973, amidst the government wide panic caused by Watergate, CI director at the time Richard Helms destroys all the MK Ultra files making full investigation impossible. Yeah, yeah, six sixteen thousand pages would turn up later that were mostly accounting things but they did find documents later that that guy I think his name is John Stark who's a former State Department worker was able to locate but that's it like almost everything is totally gone but they did find some things. They did find some things. And what we find now is over time, and maybe MK Ultra has become this super boogie man.

Yeah, it morphed into other projects. You know it was bluebird, artichoke, ultra, search. I mean, who knows what's called now? And then there's, you know, the guy in Aurora, there's the whole, the the the the the the theory that he was part of the MK Ultra. Have you ever heard this? No, the shooter? So he worked, supposedly he worked for DARPA and he was in the part of the neural implants. So his, he was like into neural sciences. I do remember hearing about, yeah, neuroscience stuff with him. And there's that whole thing. The dude who went Batman. Yeah, okay. I can remember his name. the same thing with a, I mean, all these famous, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s, the s. Ne. Ne. Ne. Ne. Ne. Ne. Ne. Ne. Ne. Ne. Neu, the s. Ne. Neu, the s. Neu, the s. Neu, the s. Neu, the s. Neu, the s. Nea, the s. Nea, the, the, the, the, the, the s. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. the, the, the, the, the, the the, the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the s. name, but like the, yeah, yeah. And the same thing with, I mean, all these famous shooters, there's these stories of after the, the heinous act is happening, they stay there and they allow themselves to be like caught,

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Well now, in 1986, founded by Rick Doblin, maps came into origin. And maps stands for the Multi-Disciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. This is a non-profit research and educational organization that develops medical, legal, and cultural context for people to benefit for the careful uses of psychedelics and marijuana. So he's a doctor and they have a whole team of psychiatrists and therapists. And their idea is you can use these plant medicines like spasibin, LSD to help people overcome trauma and MAPS has completed their first double blind placebo-controlled study of the

therapeutic use of LSD on human beings since the early 1970s. Wow! Right? Right? Right? Here is what it really brings out home. We started testing on the military. I'm fucking them all up back in the 50s. Oh.

They are currently studying whether MDMA-assisted psychotherapy can help the psychological and emotional damage caused by sexual assault, war, violent crime and other traumas. So like PTSD-type stuff, yep. And now here it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is thi it is the latest thii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thia. thia. thi. thi. thea. the. the. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. thea. the. th. thea. thea. the. thea. thea. thea. thumas. PTSD type stuff, huh? Yep. And now here it is, straight up. The latest news, the FDA grants breakthrough therapy, designation for MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD agrees on special protocol assessment for phase three trials. Cool.

So, I mean... So LSD can become an actual, a, this is a therapeutic drug. So it's closely, it's close to it. I mean, MDMA isn't, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, sorry, sorry. Yeah. No, again, MDMA hit me up. Yeah, it's, substances sold on the street is Mali, exocy.

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Yeah, man, after all the heinous shit that was done with it, that's great that it could come back and be something for good. Yeah, crazy, right? And the veterans deserve that. Yeah. Yeah. Veterans deserve that. Exactly. Yeah, man. If anyone deserves the little cracks in their brain to be filled in with some like self-love and an okay and calm them down. Fuck, dude, like we need to take care of our vets. Absolutely.

It's crazy that they come back and it's just like, good luck. I know that is so fucked out. Make the fuck out of here. Get out of the office. Yeah, and it's just because, you know, it's like the military contract, all the money in the military goes to military contracts. Goes to people, building stuff, doesn't go to soldiers, doesn't go to soldiers, doesn't go to any of that stuff. It goes to, hey, here's a shit ton of money, design something. That too gets like the people who never actually, it actually gets used and applied in real-time action. Yeah, yeah. War is crazy dude, you know, it's like I love being American. It's like, dude, how many wars are we in right now? We've talked about SPF for in the show. We're about five off from what Hitler was up to, you know, it's like, we're, we're in a lot of, you know? Yeah. And like we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th, th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. that, that, that, to, to, to, that, to, to, that, that, that, that, thi. from what Hitler was up to. You know, it's like we're in a lot of, you know, and like we're both in recovery man, you know, I will do, I

will do MDMA, I will do it, but you know, it's like, what you learn in that program is that like, you know, you have a, you know, there's all these issues and resentments, but the one thing that they all all all all all all all all all all the the th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho the the thi thi thi thi thi the, you're all, you're all, you're all, you're all, you're all, you're all, you're all, you're all, th. There's all, the one, the the their, you're their, you're their, you're their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th..... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. There's, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, th. You, th. You're, th. th. th. th. th. th. the, thr. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. thing that they all have in common is you. You are the one variable that is in all them. And at some point, maybe it's not all these people that you. So now we're fighting freedom and evildoers all of it. Maybe we're the evildoers, you know? Right, right. You got to at least be able to ask that question. that I don't like when you meet people where it's like, get so insulted. I've always thought about this with freedom. Freedom isn't represented by the right to agree

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Yeah. That's the news right there, dude. It's the, it's the illegal immigrant. My friend was like, oh, dude, my family came in this country from Italy and they did right. I'm like, were we dropping bombs on Italy? Where do you want them to go? We're dropping, and people don't want to own their shit. And there's only so long you can put out this energy before the universe comes back and hit you.

And that's why, you know, I'm working on and spit now about president has to do shrooms. They have to have a national shroom day where everybody before the new president comes in we all do shrooms and we all just come through it and then he can get to wherever the fuck the universe is all about. Yeah. I want to see Hillary. I want to see trumps. I want to see it happen dude. They need to do the try god. You need to do a half a tab of acid, half a pill of MDMA, and then eat about a half-a-eighth of mushrooms. And then turn the lights off. What a wonderful time. Dan, thank you so much.

Tell me real quick. Tell me real quick. time suck on all the social media handles. Very simple. Ryan, final thoughts. It's been a great episode. This one's dedicated to Bird Snatch on Instagram. Bird Snatch. Find an awesome artist, did some artwork for us and yeah, you wanted to hear MK Ultra. We got your MK Ultra. If you guys want to send us anything, anything at all, we want to advertise for you guys. Go ahead. Sam Tripoli, Tinfoil Hat. 843 Sunset Boulevard. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It. th. It. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's t. It's thi. It's thi. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. It's this. It's. It's. It's. It ahead. Sam Tripoli, tinfoil hat, 843-3 Sunset Boulevard, Los Angeles, California, 900069. Yeah, and we, dude, the art is great. We're going to give a big shout in the next episode to all the artists that are coming out. I know Bird Snatch put out an awesome picture of us as size meets twins as me as a zombie and you as some weird kind

of fucking space alien. It was pretty awesome. So our fans are doing a lot of work. We love you. We're going to eventually start turning your artwork into t-shirts and so we're very thankful. Dan, thank you so much for coming on. It's always been a pleasure work with you.

We worked on the Josh Wolf show together and then I was on your television show, on Playboy television, you're very funny, you're kicking a lot of ass and always a pleasure. And we're gonna start, you know, I asked you to do the live conspiracy theory show, we're gonna put one this week. Is the Moon Hollow? Is it a satellite? We're gonna get into it because I think some shit is crazy.

So all right, man, thanks tune in to Tinfoil Hat. We'll see you guys on the other side. Take care. Global controls will have to be imposed. And a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Force them. 2402.