Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - Tin Foil Hat Ep 15: Who Shot Tupac and Biggie?

Episode Date: April 13, 2017

Welcome to another episode of Tin Foil Hat with Sam Tripoli. Sam and Ryan welcome black freemason, Chris Blackburn, to the show to help interview the Director of 2pac- Assassination: Battle For Compton, RJ Bond. One this episode we discuss... 1) Being a Freemason 2) Corruption in Compton 3) Deathrow Records 4) Who Shot Tupac 5) Corruption of The Rampart Police Department 6) Who Shot Biggie

I get a feeling there's gonna be a riot. Yes, and we are live for yet another wonderful episode of Tin Foil Hat. Joining me is my trusty sidekick the night. Yes, and we are live for yet another wonderful episode of Tin Foil Hat. Joining me is my trusty sidekick. They call them the silent bob of conspiracies. Ryan Davis everybody, how are you? That's me. Ryan, how are you doing well? Thanks for coming back. I'm ready to get into this. Yeah, we're super excited. Ryan and I worked very hard on this episode and we don't know if our first guest was going to come in but just because we, we

love him very much. He's in a great podcast, he's on a great podcast called the Store Horseman, and I'm really happy he's here. He's both into our topic and conspiracy, so he's perfect for the show. Please welcome, my friend, Chris Blackburn, everybody. What's that for everybody? Thanks for coming on the show. I appreciate. Now, we were, this is a very funny episode because a long time ago when I started,

this is only the 14th episode of Timfoyle Hat. Now when I started doing it I just a couple people tell me some people aren't going to want to do this show because the name of the podcast, Timfoyle Hat. They will assume it's about crazy people and owning a thousand cats. Right. So, and it's very interesting because this week we were supposed to have a gentleman on who wanted to come in and talk about open primaries. And now primaries forever have been rigged.

Well, we get a call from the guy who helped book him going, he doesn't want to do a conspiracy podcast called Tim for that. Fine. Okay. So then we're kind of talking and you know me and Ryan are talking about what what show would be good and I've always wanted to dive into you know Tupac and Biggie because you know that was a big part of my life and probably most of the guys here on the show were you a big hip hop guy al always I meanutang, Tupac, everything else, you know. I mean I've been listening to, I mean I'm older than both you guys, I've been listening to it way back in the day, you know, I was breakdancing in 85. So like I was really into all the shit, I mean, way earlier than 85. I was breakdancing very early. So I was in the hip hophop. I grew up on Motown and so I was always into it. So it's kind of like,

hey, you know, let's do something about it. And right around then all these stories started popping up. I don't know if you saw on the news about how Shug Knight from jail had basically stated that. That he knows who did it. And he basically says who is it. And he comes from this doc. So I hit up this guy named R.J. the the the the thj Bond. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to to to to to to to to toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's the. He's the. He's toe. He's toe. He's toe. He's toe. He's toe. He's toe. He's toe. He's toe. He's toe. He's this doc. So I hit up this guy named R.J. Bond, who is the director of this thing. I approach him. He says he's totally down with doing it. And then yesterday, I get a twetwee from a tweet from a DM. He's never done a show called Timfoil Hat. And now he's got some kids issues.

They can't, maybe it's true, maybe it's true. I don't know, but it coincides with him deciding tip foil hat isn't weird. So even before that, we had talked about how conspiracy theories are all white guys talking to white guys talking to white guys. And I remember talking to you because I had your girlfriend on here that was a very popular podcast, Vanessa Johnston. It was a very popular podcast, and you were telling me about how you were really in to conspiracies in college. Yeah, oh, absolutely. I mean, you know, you get to that idealistic phase when you're in college and you're like,

I got to know all the secrets of the universe. And so, you know, you start studying, and I just had to know. Do you apply for that? Well, they say to be one, ask one, and so I asked one, and here we are. So you're a Freemason? I am, I am. What belt are you? Are you a brown belt? Uh-huh. It's degrees, not belts.

You know what I mean? But, you know, what I am, it doesn't thate. So now I've had a Freemason and a Satanist on this show, which is cool. Some say the same thing. Some say the same thing. Are you in the Satanism? I kept waiting for that. I kept waiting for the degree where they showed us the goat that we had to kiss. Yeah, I haven't made it there quite yet.

Okay, okay. Like, how often what is it? Can't do it online but I mean it is kind of like that you go you kind of go to school while you're going through the process and then eventually it's more just kind of a fellowship thing you you have regular meetings and and you know talk about stuff. Yeah, okay so you can you know to tell you you tok th th th th th th th th you th you you you you you th th you th you th th you th you th you you th th th you you you th you to you you you to you to tho to tho that that tho tho to to to to to tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho tho the the the the tho the the the tho tho tho tha tha to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to theeee. tha. tha Like, like, there's once a week. You know what I mean? There's meetings. Once you go to, you can go to as many as you want.

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A little bit, a little bit, same amount of networking through. I respect that. I totally respect that. I respect that. Um, so you're a Freemason, you're deep into this stuff. You were, you've not break dancing anymore either? No, dude, you know what's so funny is I have this bit about stripping a wheelchair that was very famous way back in the day and and people ask me constantly to

do it and I'm like I can't do it. I am physically not built to do it anymore. It's a young man's joke oh man. Man. Man. you. Man. to to to to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get the b b b b. to get to get the b. to get to get to get the to get to get to get to get the the the the to get the to the to the the the the their break their break their break their break their break their break their break their break the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th break break break th break th. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. th. B. tr. B. tre. B. B. tre. B. tre. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th not built to do it. It's a young man's joke, oh man. You gotta get your B-boy bars back up, man. So you're also big into hip-hop. You and I for a very long time ran the comedy rap battles which predicated the roast battles. And I made the... You got him? Okay, he's calling you now. He's calling you now. He's calling you now. He's calling you now. He-hmm. Indeed. And I made the... You got him? Okay, he's calling you now.

He's calling you now. He's calling you now. Are you there? I am here, my friend. Oh, please welcome to the show. He is the director of, uh, Tupac assassination battle for Compton. Please welcome to the show.

R.J. Bond, everybody. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Hey, you're doing, brothers. I'm doing fine. Is there any way we could put them up on this screen? Nope. Fock. All right, it's okay. So, R.J. Thank you for, thank you for joining us.

I didn't think you were going to. I thought you got a little scared off by the name of our show, which is fine. You know, it happens. We keep the tinfoil hat in the closet. So, I had, I'm here with my co-host, which is Ryan Davis. And and ours also joining us is Chris Blackburn he is he's a conspiracy theorist and he's also into world hip-hop he has his own podcast he's a very funny guy and he's totally into this whole thing.

Can't wait. Okay so joining okay so basically let's start from the beginning this is the third in a series of you putting out about basically the assassination of Tupac, the killing of Tupac and the killing of the notorious B.I.G. Right. This is the third one. We started this about 10 years ago. 2007, we released the first one and then there was about a seven-year lag between the second one and the third one. What. What. What. What. What. What. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, th. What. What. What, th. What, th. What, th. What, th. What, th. What, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. So, the th the the the the the tho the the the tho the the the the the tho the the the tho the tho the tho tho the tho then there was about a seven-year lag between the second one and the third one. What made you get so into this particular topic? Well actually my involvement and it came from my relationship

with Frank Alexander Frank was Tupac's bodyguard that was killed, he wasn't killed, Shakur was killed on his watch he was the bodyguard that was there wasn't killed. Shakur was killed on his watch. He was the bodyguard that was there that night. And Frank and I became friends just shortly after that happened. And we stayed friends until the day he died. And he was kind of the reason that I got into it because he had a lot of interconnections with the record label, knew a lot of stuff that was going on behind the scenes. And that really kind of became the gateway of what we ended up making out of the movie.

Now as you start this journey through it, the first, the first doc focuses mostly on what? Well the first doc is really almost a line item breakdown of everything that happened that night, kind of down to the minute. We don't really get too to to to to to to to to to to to to to to get the to get to get the the the to get to get the the to get the the the the the the the the the the theck kind kind kind kind kind kind the theck kind the the the theck, theck. the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the.e.e.e.e. Ande.e.e.eck.eathea.eateathea.eathea.eathea.ea.ea.ea.ea.a.kkka.a.kka.kk. And, that night, kind of down to the minute, we don't really get too high level with it because we're really kind of stuck down in the weeds of marching through almost to the minute what was happening that night that Shakur got shot and that was kind of a play-by-play that Frank helped put together. Okay, okay so, and then the second one is a look into what? How's, what's the next part of this journey? Well, the second one is we expanded a little bit.

What you don't wanna do is you don't wanna do the same thing over and over again. That gets old. Right, right. And so when we did the second one, we went back over the first one a little bit and kind of recapped it. But ultimately, the second one was a lot of interviews with Tupac's aunt with his Leila Steinberg, Tracy Robinson, several people that were very, very close to Tupac. And we really took the time to explore in that one the impact that the killing had on those around them and kind of their stories about the emotional toll that it takes.

Because you know, famous or not famous, somebody died and people are affected by that. So we really made that the exploration of that one. And of course, while we're at it, we threw in a couple of rocks at the Vegas Corruption and added a little bit more that we followed up on from the first movie. So it's really more of a I kind of like part two because it's kind of a more touchy-feely type of movie than part one was kind of a bullet howitzer bullet point kind of a movie and and I like part two because it looks at a whole different side of things. So let me ask you something what was there any that the second doc when you talked to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to they. to they. the they. they. they. they. the the they. the the. the the, the the, the the, the the, too. the the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. too. too. too. too. I, too. too. I, too. too. too. too. too. too. I. too. too. too. I, too. try. I, try that really shocked you in the second time, the second doc when you talked to these people that maybe you learned about Tupac that you didn't know about in the first one? That's a great question. You know, I don't think anybody's ever asked me that.

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Omar Bradley, Omar Bradley, the mayor of Compton, former mayor of Compton. Now, as I watch this, I'm trying to figure out, is Omar a good guy or a bad guy? You know what? First off, let me congratulate you on your observation. I'm really glad that you picked up on the fact that we spent a lot of time. We burned up a lot of fuel on the beginning of the movie. And I got dinged in early screenings of the movie when we showed it to people. They were saying, well, what's with the the Mexican the Mexican the Mexican their their their their their their their their their their, their, thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to c, to c, to c, to c, toe. toe. toe. to congratulate. to congratulate. to congratulate. to congratulate. to congratulate. to congratulate. to c. to congratulate. told. told. told. to c. to ca. toe. thi. to be thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to toe. thr. toean. toean. toean. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toe. toe. toe. toe it to people, they were saying, well, what's with the Mexican guy? We don't get it, and why do you, you know, why do you spend so long getting into the whole thing with Tupac

and, you know, I just kept saying it's necessary, you gotta have context. And so, thank you for that, that's a great observation. Which is your laying context that sometimes, there's a fine line the line, the line, the line, the line, the line, the line, that line is cocaine and they sniff it up. Is that basically the point of what we're saying here? Yeah I mean absolute power corrupts absolutely you know the more that you have exposure and in those days

drugs were just everywhere and the money was just everywhere they couldn't find enough places to stash money and stash dope and you know you can't be anywhere around that and not get affected by it. So it just kind of goes without saying. On a separate tip. Yeah, yeah, for sure. We've, I mean, like in my own personal life, and I've said this before on this podcast, my grandfather who was a police officer in Niagara Falls, you know, God rest his soul. the memorial, the memorial, one side of the memorial, all New York, Niagara Falls, police officers.

The other side was all mob from Niagara Falls mob. Yeah, well there you go. Yeah, there you go. You know, and to answer your question about Omar Bradley, you know, that's another great, that's another great observation. I'm not, I don't want to pass judgment on Omar Bradley. I mean, he was very gracious in giving us the interview, and he was very honest. And I, you know, and that was really something, you know, anytime somebody's going to tell

you about the money laundering operations and stripping away all of that, all of that, those levels of obfuscation, you know, that I think he's a decent dude. You know, I thi thi he I he I he I he I he I he I he I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thin. I thin. I thin. I thin. I thin. I thin. thin. thin. I thi, I thi thi, I thi, and I thi, and I thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and that was was was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was thi, and I thi, and I thi, and I thi, and I thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thin. And thin. And thin. thin. thin. th. th. thin. the. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that was really that was really that was really that was really the fact that we're ambivalent about him, I mean, he's a politician, and I think that's the best way we can characterize him. You know, is he always honest? Uh, is he, you know, does he always tell the truth? I don't know. You know, but he's a politician. So sometimes if it's, you know, it's the to' today's, you know, you, you, the thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr- to that angle. I mean, you know, there's a fine line between having a lot of knowledge about something and having too much knowledge about something if you know what I mean. So, so, yeah, if you want to play with that, dude. So we basically, so let's get into this.

There's, there's a, it's called the battle for Compton. the comp-peteen police department and death row records and possibly the death of. the th th the th th th th the death of the the the the Compton Police Department and Death Row Records and possibly the death of Tupac, but more about Biggie Smalls in this thing. There's some shocking, interesting allegations. First of all, I want to start off with, the allegation that allegedly there is a belief that Snoop Dog could have been snitching. And that's how he gets out of his murder rap and a couple of other things where you see him with high-end, high-end enforcement and he doesn't do any time. Right. I mean, he's kind of the Teflon Don. You know, I think that whenever you've got a murder trial

and evidence goes disappearing from the Pacific Division LAPD evidence lockers, you know, the evidence just gets up, gets legs and walks away. You've got to have some connections there. And I think it's very interesting that Kevin Gaines, who we talked about in the in the picture, who was a arguably corrupt LAPD cop, was also dating Sharith a night, who was not only Shug Knight's wife at the time, but he was living with her and also he was Snoop's bodyguard. And he happened to be working at Pacific Division at LAPD when those pieces of evidence disappeared.

So, you know, you can do the math on that one. Yeah, it is interesting. Have you ever heard anything like that, Chris, at your Freemason meetings? Not a whole lot of Snoop Dog talk at the meetings. I have heard that, yeah, supposedly he was dropping a little dime in order to get those those those those those those those the the of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of their of their of their of their of their their their their their their thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, you thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. those pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces pieces, you their pieces, you their pieces, you their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi. You. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you're th. Wea. You're th. You're thi. You're their pieces, their talk at the meetings. I have heard that, yeah, supposedly he was dropping a little dime in order to get off of his murder trial. That connection that you just talked about, I had never heard that before though. It's always so interesting.

Okay, go on, sorry. Oh, no worries. I was going to say, you know, the other thing is, you know, when Snoop, when Snoop gets picked up at the, uh, universal studios sheriff station, he's being chased by a bunch of bloods. He's being chased around and he goes into the sheriff station, you know, what's the first thing he does? He rolls over and they say, who do you think you'll tu pock and he says, the guy's sitting next to him, which to the guys. to, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the thi. thi. the thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th really, that's a serious gangbanger right now. These guys are known for just shutting up and not saying anything,

but what's the first thing Snoop does when they pick him up, he, you know, just rolls over on Shook. So interesting and that, well, there's also some animosity in the movie. You know, Tupock, the tupo-a's is is is a the the the the th. th. th. thi is an thi. thi. thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that. that. that, that, thi. the that, thi. the the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thu. thu. things. thi. things. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th.ac Dr. Dre and Snoop Dock. Yeah, Tupac wanted to come to the death row. I mean, Aynetron Gregory and everybody, the new Tupac, prior to Tupac going to jail, when he wanted to record a death row, I mean, this is a guy who would look up to Ice Cube when he was with digital underground, they'd do a show and public enemy,

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and so much new information that had been given over the last seven years, that it was just crazy to want to have to go back and try to reinvent the first movie. I mean, we say, you know what, if you want a deep dive, cool, go back to the first one and watch what happened in by minute. But yeah, in New York, September 4th of 1996, I mean, Snoop veriff, I mean, Snoop, thi. And, you know, and thin the thi. thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to their, to to to to their, to to their, to to too. their, too. too. too. to to to to to to to too. to to to to their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to too. too. too. to too. too. to to too. to to too. too. too. too. the the the the the the the the the the tod. the today, they. the the the today, the the the the the the the the the the time and Tupac confronted Shug night about it because they couldn't find Snoop. And you know, and then later on,

I mean, this is what 20 years later, Snoop does an interview with, I think was shade 45 on Sirius. And he admits that not only did that all happen, but that, you know, he was basically security was thrown off the airplane and he was, you know, sitting under a blanket with I think a knife and a fork or something like that, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does say that actually.

Now, what, seen that you've done this for how many years, you say 10 years, you've been doing these movies, 11 years? Was it shocking to you that hologram Tupac? Tupac stage. Did you think that there might be a chance that Hollogad Too Bok? It would have just been funny if he just walked off stage. That would have been funny. If he just went, fuck you and the click you claim and he just walks off stage? Bam, that's it done. Yeah. Well, when I hear the allegation that makes that weird moment Coachella, just. I mean not only is he singing with a basically a computer hologram

but no it's a hologram that probably really shouldn't like them. Snoop is visibly shook during that performance. Oh really? When I watched it, it's like it looks like he's really studying this hologram. Like like you said, first of all, this is a dude that I didn't even, wasn't even cool with at the time, you know what I mean? And now it's like he's alive again, it's all fucked. It's got to be weird, man.

To be on stage, but now you know the history, it's got. Well, it was weird. It was weird all the way to the bank, right? Everyone wants red, everyone's fighting over reds and blues, but guess what? The only color matters is green, you know? Green. At the end of the day. Bars. So, right? So at the end of the day, at the end of the day, Death Row Records almost starts off from a crazy place in that, that, uh,

Shug Knight is introduced to Dr. Dre by Rick Ross. Yeah, that's what Rick Ross claims, Freeway Ricky Ross claims that. He claims that he introduced the two of them and then actually convinced David Kenner, who was the attorney for death row records to get into the music game because he'd make more money doing records and music than he ever would do in law, which is saying a lot, because I know a lot of really rich lawyers. Yeah, yeah, it's something about Jewish guys just love to act black. They just, they got, like the dude owns the source awards,

like that guy, just, hey, they try, my best friend is Jewish, and he just can't stop wearing fucking Foo boo, man. We have a lot of common, man. Yeah, the blacks blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the the their, their, the Jews, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the. the. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. there's, there's, there's, there's something. there's just, there's something. It's just, there's just, there's just, there. It's just, the don't, nobody wears foo boo anymore, man. We have a lot of common, man. Yeah, that's right, they do. The blacks, the Italians, the Jews, and the Armenians. All, just want to be the, I'll just want to everybody. Big noses, unmanageable hair, slavery, we got all that in common. Blacks want to be Jews. Jews want to be black. It's just like this weird fucking triangle. Circle of life. Right. It's so weird. Okay, so David Kenner comes in, he helps establish death row records. Then you start getting into the Compton in this thing. And in 1993 you say that

there's a lot of shit that goes on in Compton that you might not know of. That and first of all is the state came in and took over the school education board. They took it over. Now within the movie why did why did the state end up in your opinion according to your movie giving back the school system to Omar? Well Omar was burning, Omar was burning the schools down. I mean this was, you know, you saw this in the Rodney King riots, you saw, you saw this kind of behavior when there's a certain group of people when they don't get their way and they don't get what they like

or they're unhappy about it. Instead of going after the people that they're really pointing the finger at., burn their own neighborhood down, which is still defies any logic that I can see. But, you know, they do that. I've done jokes about that, dude. It's like, why are you burning your own neighborhood? I just don't get it. Yeah, exactly. Let's make it harder for you to go cash your EBT. Just get out. I've always said that about like it, like, especially when somebody wins a

championship. It's like, why are you burning your own village? If your own, your own city. If you win a champion, you should get out on bus and burn the city that lost fucking city down. Right. Well, yes, the thing. So, but in this case it was a lot more insidious because the reason that it was happening, the reason that they were burning these schools down was because they were trying to create the pain that only they could solve. They set the schools on fire and then tell the state of California, why aren't you, why didn't you know that school was going to catch fire? And I think it was by the ninth time they had set a school on fire. Nine times. Yeah, nine times. And by that ninth time, the state of

California just finally said, you know what, yeah, your local boots on the ground. You seem to have a better handle on what's going on there. We can't send the national guard down to surround us. You know, I mean, they've got a content is 10 square miles. So it's not like they They can send the national guard to just to just to just the national to just the national to just the national guard to just the national guard to just the national guard to just the national guard to just the national guard to just the national guard the national guard to just the national guard to just the national guard to just the national guard to just to just to just to just the the national. the national guard. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. Con. Con. Con. Con. Con. Con. Con. Con. Con. Con. Con. Con. Con. It's 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10. the national. the national. the national. the national guard is 10. the national guard is 10. the the the the their the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the National Guard to just seal off the city and protect it. But, you know, the state finally said, you know, yeah, maybe you are a better, better champion for your for your city than we are. And it was kind of a bad PR thing for the state because, you know, I mean, the state's supposed to be taken over the schools and making them better and yet the schools are burning down for unknown reasons. Yeah, it's crazy. That was... And we lost him. And we lost him. He's frozen on us in time.

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which brings us into a quick fact, because I want to start getting into this more, that there's corruption throughout the government of Compton. I don't think anyone's surprised by that, to the point that they actually, for the first time I've ever heard about this, dissolved the Compton Police Department. Yeah, I mean, you gotta ask yourself, what does it take to close an entire police department for corruption? I mean, there are so many things you can do in the middle. You can, you know, fire the police chief or you can have the state come in and put some administrators in to take it over. I think that's something, something like that happened up in the North Bay and the North part of part of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of th of th of th of th of th of th of th of th of th of th of th th th th th th th the the th th th the the th th th th th th th th th th thi. th that that that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. to to to to to to to to to to ta. to ta. the think that's something like that happened up in the North Bay in the north part of California. You know, there's a lot of things you can do. It's got to be pretty freaking bad for you to dissolve an entire police department. Now, the way they went about it was very interesting because they hired

the L.A. County sheriffs to come in and provide the services for the city. So the LA County sheriffs started patrolling it. And LA County sheriffs actually were patrolling everywhere around it. So it was kind of a pain in the ass for the sheriffs because they would get to the border or Compton and then they could, they'd have to drive around Compton to go keep patrolling. So it was easier for them because now they have that area too. and you know, if a guy runs across the street from, you know, LA to Compton, there's not a jurisdictional problem anymore. So the sheriffs were happy about that. But what they did was in making a deal with Omar Bradley, most of the Compton police officers went to the Los Angeles Sheriff's department. They just kind of transferred. They changed uniforms. Yes. So these guys still had Tim Brennannan and these guys still had, you know, they still had resources available to them through the county sheriffs and they really didn't change much of their daily,

you know, daily activities. They were still interacting with the same people, they just had a different uniform on. There was a handful of people that the LA Sheriff's Farm did not pick to work for them. And their. And their. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, thi. And, thi. thi. thi. thi. they they they they they they they they they just, they just, they just, they just, they just, they just, they just, they just, they. And, they. And, they's, they's, they. And, they's, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their thi. And, they're they're they're still still still still still still still still still still still still still thi. And, their they're their they're their their the pick to work for them. And of course they went off to the Compton School police and a couple of other places. But that was kind of the deal. Omar Bradley, you know, it wasn't like you dissolve the police department for corruption and then 150 people are out of a job. That wasn't how it was at all. They just go different places. Yeah, now this is what made it, you know, we took a little bit the the the the the the the the to. their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. their, th. thi. their, thi. thi. thi. their, thi. th. thi. thi. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. their, their, their, their, their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their, th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. the the t. the t., now this is what made it, you know, we talked a little bit about in the movie, but this is what made it even weirder though, was that a handful of them who just didn't like the fact that they were closing the police department down, they got a job with the sheriff's department, but then they turned around and sued the city they were going to the Sheriff's Department. If I was a cop, the Sheriff's got much more resources than, you know, the City of Compton

does, you're going to get all the support you need to do your job. But these guys had something going on that they didn't like the party getting interrupted. So, right. and then they lost. Well then these guys, they appealed it. They appealed it all the way up to federal court to appeal getting the Continental Police Department back and I'm thinking to myself, man, you really, you really got to want your job. I mean, I've lost a job or two in my lifetime. I've never tried to sue to get the job back.

Yeah, you know, you fired. I never come back. And I always do it's about to get fired because they'd ask me to go with the office. You ever knows that? Like, hey, can I talk to you in the office? Yeah, I'm like, fuck you. It's that walk of shame. Nobody comes back in the office. Leave your shit on the desk. So let's get the death row. So money and drugs, and there's a tho. right now in where is it in 19 oh in 1996 death row is worth half a billion

dollars a lot of that money is coming from the sales of two pock yeah okay a a lot of money at this point everything's going crazy to pock is getting charged for studio time two pock, engineers are getting kicked out of the studio. He's getting upset. Now, a theme of this is, Tupac has a big heart until he gets weird and you fuck him over. So he thinks you're fucking him over and he'll cut you out. The wheels are turning. He's planning an exit from, from Death Row Records. At this point, when it's worth $500 million.

Right. And you know and and you got to ask yourself the question I mean, where does that valuation come from? I mean, you know, if anybody ever checked the numbers, let's say Tupac was successful and he sold 80 million. Well, how do we know that? How do we know he really sold 80 million? I'm not saying you wasn't popular. Maybe you sold 40 million. And maybe that other 40 million was kind of funny money kind of money being passed around. Right. Because that's how you get that much money into your bank. Yeah. Is by saying, well, if I here's my check for a hundred million dollars. I'm going to to take it down to Chase Bank where I bank. And I'm going the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the the th the th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. the th the the thi thi the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the. the. the. the. the the. the. the. the. the the the the the tho to the tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooe. the. the. the. I'm gonna go take it down to Chase Bank, where I bank. And I'm gonna give them a check for $100 million.

They're gonna say, how the hell did you get this money? And I would have to say, well, I sold 80 million albums. Oh, okay, that makes sense. Well, not, but if they said, well, you only sold 10 albums and the rest of it I got from money laundering. You know, what, do you think they'll cash your check? Right. So I think that there was probably that going on as well. You know, I again, there's really no, and this has always been why the music industry has been kind of a magnet for the mob and the magnet for organized crime because there are very, very few industries that you can be very loose about how much money comes and goes out of the business. You know, for example, if I was a lamp company and I did a hundred million dollars worth

of sales in lamps, there's going to be a hundred and, you know, 50 million or $80 million worth of manufacturing costs and you've got the receipts to show for it, you've got all that. The record industry and intellectual property in general is just kind of this nebulous world, you know, where you can just throw bandy around money. And there's really no one to check. I mean, if I sell 100 million lamps, there's gonna be inventory,

there's going to be a distribution chain that can verify all that. The record industry is completely different. I mean, the record industry, the record industry, the record the record the record the record thethat can verify all that. The record industry is completely different. I mean, Ria, the Record Industry Association of America, they're like the only one. They're the ones that make a record gold, platinum, you know, whatever. Yeah. They're the only ones that are really verifying. I mean, there's sound scan and video scan, but even that's manipulated.

So there's really no check and balance balance tha tha to announce, hey, R.J. Bob just sold a million records. Wow, congratulations. And the reason this is a big deal what you're saying right now is because what gets the ball rolling is Tupac edits does an audit, excuse me, of death row records. Right before the Mike Tyson fight where he goes to Vegas which is very big now the ball is rolling there's gonna be numbers being checked okay and this is a big deal so we get the vague now who do you think of the prime players behind the shooting of Tupac Shakur? Okay first off are we still on am I I frozen? Am I still good? You're still on you're still sexy as fuck

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Well, yeah, I mean, you know, there was a fight at the MGM. It lasted probably 30 seconds. And, you know, and that gave him to the people that wanted to put him out there, that gave him, and it was clearly an afterthought that he was the best, the best guy to blame for it. Yes. So, you know, they they they they they they they they they they the they their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that is, th. to to to to to th. th. th. the was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was the was the was thi was thi was thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. So you know they just kind of made it all. Well in the movie you state that somebody tells him that he's about to lose his parole for something. Parole, he's about to lose parole and he runs and he runs at this dude. Yeah, well that's actually the the reality of the situation is we see it and Reggie Wright, who was the head of death or security he was quoted in an interview with saying this that they didn't the the the th. th. the th. the th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they th. th. th. thi thi thi the the. their their their the. they. their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I their, their, their, their, their, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. they. He's, they. He's they. He's they. He's they. He's the head of death or security, he was quoted in an interview as saying this, that they didn't want to kill Tupac or they didn't want to put him in, you know, they didn't want to put him in harm's way, but he was getting out of hand and they, they didn't like how he was that. And their embea, and their embeau, was always to embarrass the, to embarrass, to embarrass, to bea, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, toe, toe, the, toe, toe, the, toe, toe, toe, to, to, to, you, you, you, that time. And it was very easy with a phone call from David Kenner or from somebody else to call back to New York and say, hey, especially if Compton PD picks him up and just puts him in jail, they can call New York and say he just violated his parole

and oh, by the way, let's put him back in jail. And the idea behind that was that and it's kind of a stupid idea. But the idea is that if they violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, violate, but the idea is that if they violate him on his parole, Tupac goes to jail, maybe Tupac will chill out, maybe he'll be humbled a little bit, maybe he'll want to come back to death row again. But the fallacy of that is once they violate his parole, he's gone. There's no, not anybody that's going to be out. I don't care how anytime soon at all. So it would have been years So that's kind of a bullshit statement to make it kind of a bullshit theory anyway And I will call bullshit on that. Okay, but but at the end of the day I am sure that that was what they believed I'm sure that they thought that they would just humble to pock or find a way to to humiliate him so they could have leverage. That's the way. That's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thu, thu, thu, thu, thu thu thu thu thu thu, thu, thu. thu. thu. thu. th. thu. th. th. th. th. thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi thu. thu. thu thu. thuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. thuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. thu. th I mean, that's the way Shug Knight worked. That's the way the whole operation worked.

It wasn't about, you know, whether or not you were good for them or bad for them. It was all about what leverage they had. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So now, okay, because there's a lot of moving pieces here. You, based on what you're saying, you're saying that that Shug Knight want to revoke his parole. Is that what you're saying?

And that another powers that be, other powers that be, based upon your movie, want to take out Shug Knight. So Shug Knight's trying to get Tupac in jail, and then two other people, three other people, a bodyguard, what's his name, the lawyer, Reggie Wright Jr., okay, David, David Kern and Sherida Knight, you think we're trying to kill a corner of your movie, trying, uh, Shug Knight and hit Tupac. Yeah, let me, and I, I have to be legalistic about these. Your allegations.

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And I think that, and a lot of people agree that the biggest trouble with this investigation was that Shugnit lived. Had Shugnit been killed, Sharitha would have been the very first person that they would have bore hard down on her because, you know, when you own half of a half of a company or half of your partner's interest, your spouse's interest, taking the other half is certainly tempting and you've got, you know, 250 million or 125 million good reasons why you might want to do that. So again, are we saying she didn't know, but we're given a lot of good reasons why if she did this is why. Okay and you know and again you know these certainly people aren't don't have clean hands in any of this. Right now Chris you were saying that that isn't

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more experience under your belt versus then you know, you just pick up so much more subtext and you pick up so much more innuendo and that. And so when Becker said, hey, when you investigate the CEO or the attempted killing of a CEO of one kind of corporation, that's one type of investigation. But now you're talking about the record industry. And I said, well, hold the fort there. Because why is he talking about the CEO-Tuuuuuuuuu. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. to, to, th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. And, right. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the thi. the the thi. thi. thi. to me me to me too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. the. the too. the the. the. the. the the fort there because why is he talking about the CEO, Tupac wasn't a CEO of anything right why even be mentioning the words of a corporation yes so all of a sudden the light bulb went on and said wait a minute I went back and I looked at Russ Poole's documents and he had the interview that Shug Knight did with the Vegas police and they told him flat out, you are not a suspect

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Okay? Right. And so when you look at that, what are the stakes? What are the odds there when you're gonna do that kind of a hit, if you will. Do you think that some gang guy, random gang guy that got beat up is gonna be so mad. I mean, think about how mad you have to be, that he's gonna go grab a couple of his buddies

and go ride up to try to kill Tupac. And oh, by the way, the most powerful man in the music injury, it's like the president is sitting next to him. No, I'm with you. You know, and you want to take a shot at him because if you miss, you better hit, you better kill that guy. Yeah. Because if you miss him, you have a world of problems coming to you.

Chris, real quick, real quick. I totally agree with you., there was an order to all of Tupac's bodyguards to not bring their weapons. No guns. Leave all your guns back at the hotel, leave all your guns back. And everybody's like, and here's the thing about all these, all these, all these, most of them are all dead, all of his bodyguards. Now it's been a little while since that, so that, that, and the...... and then, and then, and then, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and they, of them are all dead, all of his bodyguards. Right. Now it's been a little while since that, so that, that, and then wasn't that that Frank guy, wasn't he supposed to be, doesn't he usually ride in the car with Tupac, but on that date he was told to get in the car behind him also.

Well, not another thing. That kind of goes back and forth. Normally speaking, the bodyguards will tail the entertainer, because Tupac used to shake the bodyguards all the time, used to drive through red lights and stuff, to get rid of the bodyguards just to fuck with them. But when there was something serious that was going on, yeah, the bodyguard would generally hitch a ride with whomever they were protecting at that time. So, you know, because they were talking, they're, you, you, you, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you, you, you're the their their their their their their, you, you, you, you, you, you, you to get to get their their their their their their their their their their toy. toy. toy. toy. toy. toy. their their their their t. t. t. their t. their t. t. their. their. their. their. their. their. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. the two of them sitting in there, you know, they want to discuss their business. And they told Frank to go ahead. They weren't going to take Tupac's Hummer. They instead decided they were going to. to take, you know, Kedada Jones's time worried about the fact that they were just going to run out of gas on the strip and leave them behind and fall out of the whole procession just because they were going to run out of gas.

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motherfuckers, you know, and how crazy and deep in it's, because again, there's a fine line between cop and criminal. It's so close, like I had friends of mine who were cops, and they were the biggest scumbags in college. The biggest gang in LA. And again, this is about all cops. Within any group of anything, there are bad apples. Within comedians, there are comics who steal from other comedians. Doesn't mean all comedians do it. You know? So it's like it's a very much a, you know, it's like this is a, with great power, you know, comes.. And, it's. And, it's. And, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. And, it's, it's. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. this is, this is, this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. And, this. And, this. And, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, thi it's like this is a, with great power, you know, comes great responsibility and great power corrupts, you know, and it's just, it's very cool. So Rampart, dude, how, real quick in a quick sentence or two so we can get into this, how does the shooting of Tupac affect the shooting of Biggie Smalls real quick?

Basically the killing of Biggie Smalls was actually done to solidify and cement the lie that had been started the day that Tupac Chakor got shot. Not the day he died, but the day he got shot because they had to come up with a reason that that Tupac got shot and things didn't go sideways. If Shog Knight wasn't going to stop and ask questions, then have been no reason to have to come up with an excuse. Nobody would have had to give in any reason. But Shug Knight lived through the experience and of course he's going to want to know who shot him, right? Right. So, so the fact that he comes out and he says, hey, who's shooting at me? Well, now they got to come up with this lame excuse that it was so flimsy, Vegas wasn't buying it, the public wasn't buying it. You showed the five different excuses that they get. It starts out with it going on to change. So you do that now.

But every time you come back now that you've committed and you've locked yourself into this position, now you have to just keep doing things to try to reinforce it and bringing guys like Keefei Dean years later in and try to do things to try to shake it up to say hey well if you don't believe that how about this? And they keep changing the story but at the end of the day the reason that Biggie got killed in our opinion was because there was already a lie that was being toled and harder to to tell and it was Coast, West Coast thing. It was getting harder harder to do that. So the only way they could do it was to, Shugg was in prison or in jail at the time, is to whack a guy on the East Coast, blame it on the gang war, and then make the allegation that Shug Knight had something to do with it, when there's no proof that he did. Okay, so let's get into this. One of the guys who worked for a lot of belief is that that Reggie and a belief is there's

evidence to suggest that possible that Reggie Wright Jr. put a hundred, put a million dollar bounty on Puffy and Biggie. And that he put up, that he put up the first $250,000. We'll get into the actual assassination attempt or the actual assassination. The assassination doesn't go right, okay? Now they owe another $750,000 according to your research, which is what shows, in which this guy, this guy, what is his name, Rafael Perez? Is he the-

Yeah, Raphael Perez and David Mack, right? Have the robber bank. And that half the robber bank in which, and now I heard this before your show, they get arrested, they get found, David Mack gets pulled over and goes, oh, is this about the bank robbery? Even though they had even asked them that. Yeah, the car that shoots the notorious BIG is a black SS Impala. David Mack owns a black SS Impala.

Take us basically what is happening. Rampart's just falling apart and real quick because we got about 10 minutes real quick. We get basically there's a rat, there's not a rat, there's an informant who tells all the information his name is Kenneth Bolgini, Bogini. Bogany. Bogany. Okay. Yeah, Bogany. And he's... Ken Bogne. And now he's helped a bunch of other cases. Basically, they've saw... he basically was their case for the state to convict these other people for other stuff,

drugs and all that stuff. And he comes forward with this story from, uh, who is the guy? Rafael Perez tells, basically spills the story from, who is the guy, Raphael Perez, basically spills the beans and what happened? Yeah, let me give you the snapshot of it. Ken Bogany was a guy who was a cellmate of Rafael Perez, when Raphael Perez was in jail for taking Coke out of the evidence locker. So he goes to jail, the whole rampart scandal. Ken Bogan was his cellmate for, I mean, better part of six months, if I'm not mistaken. And Ken Bogany was a guy who clearly Raphael Perez liked to talk and told a lot of things

to. And the information that Rafael Perez gave to Ken Bogany was very important to the LAPD. I mean, they'd pulled this guy out. And the LPD's got has got the's got the's got the's got the's got thi's got thi's got thi's thi's thi's thi's to the LAPD. I mean, they'd pull this guy out. And the LPD's got this thing called a border rights hearing. It's like cop court, if you will. And cops, when they do something wrong, they go in front of this board of inquiry, and they decide whether or not the guy's gonna keep his job,

get suspended, get fired, whatever, you know, get slapped on the riskaq, thrap, thrapped, thrapped, thrapped, thrapped, thrapped, thrapped, thrift, this, the wrist. This board of inquiry makes those decisions. Well, the LAPD had six different officers that had done some shit wrong, miscellaneous charges against them. And Raphael Perez knew those dudes. And Ken Boghany's testimony about what Raphael Perez said to him about these cats actually led to them being exonerated. So Raphael Perez said, no man, that guy never did that or no man, this guy wasn't involved with that. Ken Bogany's testimony cleared six cops. So the LAPD is really in a cross because now they're relying on to save these guys jobs to save these cops jobs. They're wheel out Ken Bogany and saying this is a credible witness. This guy was with Raphael Perez, Raphael Perez told him everything. So this guy, you know, is credible.

He's the guy, he's telling the truth. But when it comes to this, yeah. Yeah, now suddenly Ken Bogan he turns aroundD can't suddenly unwind it and say, yeah, oh, he's not credible, he's full of shit. He's not, you know, because they just used him six different times and swore up and down that this guy was reliable. So now, he comes back and makes this brand new allegation that Raphael Perez and David Mack and these guys are involved. What does the LAPD do? They take all the recordings of his conversation, all of his testimony, even his name, and

they put it in an LAPD cops desk and lock it up. They don't give it to the Wallace family. They don't give it to the investigators in the civil case, they hide it. And the judge got so pissed off that the LAPD hit this, they find the city a million dollars for hiding that evidence. First time in history, LAPD robbery homicide had ever been shut down. The judge shut the entire LA Police Department's robbery homicide division down for a day, so that they could go in and search for that missing information and they found it. Unbelievable.

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And a lot of people say that's why Gaines was killed later. On one of the LEP's only cop shootings out there where one cop actually killed another cop on purpose. Yeah, and what was the name of that cop? Frank Lago was the cop that killed Kevin Gaines. And what was his quote? You know, real quick Ryan. Yeah, he said he didn't have any regrets shooting Gaines. In fact, he wished there were

more of them in the car at the time. Yeah, but he killed a whole truck the car. He had to kill the whole truckload of him. Now is that for racial reasons or because he was dirty? Well, I think that Kevin, I think that Frank Laga just has certain points of view about certain groups of individuals and you know, and... That's a nice way of putting it. Yeah, I think that... He said exactly how he felt, you know, Frank Laga is not the guy who mints his words on a lot of stuff. All right, well man, guys, thoughts on all this as we let R.J. for spending an hour with us. Thoughts. I know there was a lot of talking, but it was, I found it amazing. Yeah, it goes deep. And it's just like money corrupts, right dude. Absolutely. And like, you know, it's so funny. It's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. thi. th. And like, you know, it's so funny,

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You see it like whether you got a D or an R by your name, your whatever letter you will, you associate with, they can do no wrong. And their whole act, they act totally out of pure thoughts, motives and the other side is just rotten to the core And they're just full of shit and they're the most evil and we do this we demonize the other thing And anybody who is of our characteristic of our group can do no wrong And if you tech if you tech the highest up like look at two-poc two-poc get shot why the head of the CEO the CEOs of death row are going at th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th th th th the the the th th th the the the they the thoing to the the the to to to the the the the the to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to too too touuuuuuuu. tuco tuco tuce tipe tuce tuce tip you tuce too Death Row are going at it. So the high-ups are going at it and who pays for it, the fucking minions. And even though Tupac wasn't necessarily a minion, but he was a worker. Still an employee.

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It'll be on iTunes, but it's on Google Play, it's on Amazon, it's on demand, on most cable channels, it's on on demand. You know, if you want to see it, it's even on, I think YouTube has even got it for three bucks. You can go to thrown with that. Can't go wrong with that. R Rj J J Jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's that's tho. thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's tho. tho. tho. thoan. thoan. thoan. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. thooo. thee. the. thean. that's thean. that's toean. that's that's thank you so much for coming on. Good luck with your movies and hopefully we'll do again sometime. It was great, and I hope you didn't mind my background.

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And the weird whispers at the beginning of his Macavely thia al album album album album album album album album album album and all these things. And so, but the purveying thought has always been, well, Chug is probably responsible. He wanted off death row. And that's not really the case, I guess, recently, as it's come to light, because he had been given his own imprint under death row. So their working relationship was pretty good. I mean, he did do that audit at to make sure his money was right. You know what I mean? So, but if you do look at, the most important thing I thought he said was you take Tupac out of that car, he gives you a really different perspective on what would possibly happen.

And I think that's that's the most sound thing. You know, it's so funny is I have a family member going through a lot of stuff and I just feel when you talk about death a lot, death comes calling. And it's just like, it's the same as positive thinking, the more positive thinking you do, sure. The more positive stuff can happen in your life. The more you talk about death, the more death is likely to show up. It's just all out there. Aaron, did you fall asleep during this?

No I did not. Okay, Aaron's just upset. Did you fall sleep during this? No, I did not. Okay. That was, Aaron's just upset because. I'm battling a cold. Okay, it's all right. It's all right, and I know your team isn't doing very well, and then it gives you a saggy diaper. Yeah. So this has been to Tim Foyle Hat.

Thank you. I'd love toful you're on the show, your research really helps. And I know he doesn't talk a lot, but he does a ton of work behind the scenes. It really helps us with the facts and all the shit, so you're very important to show and I appreciate it. And this has been Tim Foil Hat, man, I hope you guys enjoy it and we got really great well I know you guys want me to talk about what's going on in Syria that's gonna be next week we have Graham Elwood coming on he wants to talk CIA's operations and and and I'm gonna get in some false flag stuff too and it's gonna be some of you guys gonna get angry but it's gonna be said and so tune in next week sex of we got Graham Elwood from the comedy nerds this has been Tim for for to f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th thi thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the theeeee the the the thi the to be said and so tune in next week sex money we got Graham Elwood from the comedy nerds. This has been Tim Fulahat, you guys are both great,

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