Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - Tin Foil Hat Ep 29: Lucien Greaves and The Satanic Temple

Episode Date: July 21, 2017

Welcome to a very special "Bonus" episode of Tin Foil Hat with Sam Tripoli! This episode, Ryan and Sam, welcome from the Satanic Temple, Lucien Greaves. Today we discuss.... 1) Perception of people who's views are outside of societal norms 2) Separation of Church and State 3)Civil Protest 4)Sam's inability to remember the term "smear campaign" 5) What the temple actually stand for 6) We read you iTunes comments Thank you for listening!

Welcome back to another episode of Tinfoil Hat. Tinfoil Hat. Come with me into the waters of conspiracy with Sam Tripoli. Sam Tripoli. Mr. Sam Tripoli. With my friend Ryan. Hi, Ryan. We're the first gay couple of conspiracy theory. I think it's gonna be all. With my friend Ryan Davis. Hi Ryan. We're the first gay couple of conspiracy theories.

I think it's a beautiful man. You're gonna hold up there, partner. Say that? It's some mystical deep, dark realm, crazy shit. Wake up, Aaron, the reptile people at hand. Hey man, we're the truth there, dog! What the fuck are you guys even talking about? Are you ready to get your mind blown?

Oh, yeah. Revolution will be podcasted. And... Welcome to another episode of Tin Foil Hat. I am your host Sam Tripoli. Thank you guys tune in. Joining me as always my partner in crime. Ryan Davis, everybody.

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You know what I love that you guys? We can't shock you? As crazy as we go, you guys stick with us because you guys love smart. You love food for thoughts and we're just going to keep trying to put better stuff Now a lot of you guys are sending me guests we got to get you want hey we want this guest Hey, interview this guest. We'd love to interview them. Okay, but what we need you to do Because I'm slam busy with just trying to create empires here. We need you to email us our email Is tinfoil hatpot at Gmail.com now Ryan is in. the thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiol. the to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. thi. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. thi. to. to email. to email. to email. to email. to email. to email. to email. to email. to email. to email. to email. to email. to email. to email. to email. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. Wea. We. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. too. toooooooooooooo. tooooo. toooo. toooooooooooooooooooooooo. We'll Ryan is in charge of that. Ryan is going to be the guy that kind of decides on who we get on the show. You know, he's, I trust him on that so I've let him kind of take that over. So your sales pitch will be the Ryan.

Ask Ryan who you want. We're down with anybody, man. We're down with anything. We have so many podcasts coming out. We got a great guest about to come on. We're going to bring him on two seconds. And, you know, we'll interview everybody if we think it brings love and peace and understanding to the world. Totally and bombard them on Twitter too. Yeah, if you want somebody, we want to do it, hit them up. That's how we've gotten some of our best guests.

And everybody loves Aaron, are you excited for a new crazy episode? Always. Aaron, I feel like we're just opening your mind to everything and I'm super exciting us. Joining us here, our guest day, following up on our Black Sun episode. This one's, we got, Eddie was just out, so this one is our next one. We're super excited about this. Joining us, he is he the founding member? Or is he the man who founded it? Or is he, he's a huge part of it. I listened to him on the Duncan Trussle podcast.

A couple times, he was awesome. I'm excited to have him here. Please welcome. Lucien, Grievs everybody. Did I'm right? You did? Yes, welcome, man. Thanks to coming on. I'm super excited about it. I love what you're doing. Welcome to Tinfoil Hat, my friend.

Tinfoil Hat. You know, I legitimately have people wear tinfoil hats, you know, I legitimately have people who wear tinfoil hats, write things about me on the internet quite a bit. Really, interesting. Well, we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we're kind of like NWA. We're trying to take it back. You know, we're trying to take the word back. We think it adds a bad negative connotation. And for some reason, people like it, and it's been growing. And, you know what, we're just taking back our name. People won't cause conspiracy theorists. People want to cause the lovable lunatics. But at the end of the day, we're th, we we we we we we we we we we we we we th, we're th, we're th, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, thi, people, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thin, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, to explore the world and all the characters you know

all the different ingredients of the stew that's that makes our life in our world around us. Tim Fugel head is more your style sense than you've been a way of life. Yeah you know man it's very interesting it's it's more about just like hey dude you're coming here for some stuff that might scare the sheep might scare the people but if you're willing to take take to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they.e.enge.e.e.ean.ean.ean.ean. It's theyg.ean. It's theyng. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that might scare the sheeple, might scare the people, but if you're willing to take a moment, listen to it, you know, you might learn something. And that's really what this podcast for me is about, and that's why Ryan jumped on, is like, it's really just an exploration of the world. What about, what about that ignorant, fucking slob Alex Jones?

How do you feel about it? Okay, that's that's that's that's that's about before, I've said it before, I think he's a shill, I think what he's doing right now. At some point somebody got to him, okay? And they basically flipped him a little bit. He has to play a little bit. He has to put out these stories that I the bigger guy, you know, the CIA, the Deep State, whatever. And then he throws out, when he started talking about Islamic jihadists, that's why I knew we'd lost him. He wasn't, he wasn't really doing what we're doing anymore. And I don't necessarily agree with a lot of stuff he says, and you know, again, we're just simply people who are just exploring the world. This shows about five months old. If you would have said five

months ago that I was going to be interviewing someone like you, I would be like, you're fucking crazy. But I'm so excited to hear about your world and what you're into. And it's just like, I think if people come with us on this journey, they want to hear all the different types of people in the world, you know. I'm just more into what's the official story?. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. thee. to thee. to, theee. the theee. the the the the the the the the. the. the. th people in the world. You know, I'm just more into, what's the official story? What's really going on? That's what I'm into. I understand that reasonable skepticism, that's a good thing. I wouldn't say I'm a skeptic. It gets to Sandy, book, truthers,

abusing parents who lost their children. That's when, that like, I'm, this show, someone asked me today, they go, what percentage of the conspiracies do you think on your show that you've done are true? And that's a really great question. I didn't have a lot of time to go, I thi. I think a lot of them them them them them them them them them them them their their their their their their their thrown. I'm a lot thrown. I would thrown. I would thrown. I would thrown. I would thrown. I would would their their thrown. I would them. I would their their their their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their. their their their their their their too. S. S. Some. Some. S. Some. Some. Some. Some. S. Some. So. So. So. So. Soanananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananan. I tell you why. Because I just want to hear what their perspective is. And just like someone would look at you and go, you're a whack job or you're a crazy person, which I don't think you are at all,

it would be very ignorant for me just to shut it down and not hear any other side of the coin. Now, am I gonna say it's real or not? I'd have to hear all the reason. the information, which is the same reason I want to have you on, is because I want hear what you have to say. After our episode on the Black Sun, I really started open my mind of the whole Lucifer and Satanic and all that stuff, and it was there like a smear job and we'll get into that later. So I would hear, you know, false flags are its own thing, and that is a real thing, and to want to take certain actions and give up personal freedoms in order to protect their freedom. So you know in terms of Sandy Hook

that's a different episode that's way down the line and we're not really getting into that which I'm fine with it we can but I'd like to learn more about you and your thoughts and what you're doing out there and what I consider the good work that you're doing out there and what I consider the good work that you're doing. But you know, I mean, we can talk about anything you want to. I didn't mean to interview you. No, no, dude.

This thing is Lucy Goosey, homeboy. We go wherever we want. We might end up talking about phallic symbols in Disney films if you open to anything. This is like a free-form thing of thought. And the people who are listening to it, I think they're really open to what you have to say and what everybody has to say. And I would even interview Alex Jones, and I would tell him I don't think he's above board. I mean, the guy's built an empire.

Empire, and sometimes with a lot of money. for that freedom and who knows what happened who knows what happened maybe they got to him and threaten some people and now he has to play the ball I don't know that but I would love the interview him just like I'd like to interview you and let's get into your whole stuff here man real quick how long okay the satanic temple is that different than the church of satin yeah it's very distinctly different from the Church of Satan. We've been around about five years and we're the ones you always hear about in the news. We're the ones who have done the after-school program. We're the ones who are doing the invocations before city council meetings where they typically have Christian prayer.

We're the ones with the Baffermanent monument that we manufactured to put alongside Ten Commandments on state capital grounds where they've cthey've created a limited open forum where anybody can privately donate a monument. But then they shut it down, of course, when they get to be altogether too much to actually respect free speech. So we're the ones you hear about in all those cases. The Church of Satan's legacy of Anton Leve, who wrote the satanic Bible in the 1960s. That's not the manuscript we work off of, we hearken back to the Milton the Milton the Milton the Milton the Milton the Milton the Milton the militonic the militonic the militonic the militonic the the the the the 1960s. That's not the manuscript we work off of. We hearken back to the Miltonic Satan of Paradise Lost in the literary romantic movement of the 19th century where you had

Shelley, Blake, Lord Byron writing these kind of satanic narratives as a kind of new cultural mythic backdrop to explain the changes in the world, the pluralism, the diversity, and the idea that there is, that we need to reconcile ourselves to enlightenment values in the modern world. Love it. And even though we're atheistic, we view that kind of mythic backdrop as being very important to culture, to the world, to our sense of cultural identity. I, uh, I, I'm loving everything. So, like five years ago, were you into the church of Satan and thought, may I love that glass, dude?

That's an awesome glass. It says class of 666, you know? The Satanic Temple. They got a great merch. Great merch. Your merch guy's amazing. So five years ago, you decided to break off, start your own, like how did it get started? Well, actually, I never envisioned this for myself.

I could literally be doing anything else and it would be probably more lucrative and less taxing, but not as fulfilling. But I have a long background of investigating satanic panic narratives. These ideas that came forward in the 80s and 90s that satanic cults were murdering children, had mobile crematoriums, hiding backwards messages and heavy metal music using dungeons and dragons to indoctrinate kids into drugs, homosexuality, and ultimately cannibalism and murder and cruelty and some other kinds of whatever world-dominating plots of mind control or whatever else. Yes.

And so I knew that a lot of people suffered accusations of Satanism, people who had no attachment to Satanism whatsoever. However, the lineers, like, you know, people would be accused of being a witch and being a demonic being just simply because they didn't fit in or just want to follow the hurt, you know, and just want to do their own thing. Scapegoats, right? And it's a very dangerous position to be in self-identifying as a Satanism in the wrong, wrong, time and wrong place. And you never th th th th th th th th th th th th wrong time and wrong place. And you never know when those moral panics will rise again. So I wouldn't have thrown myself into this without a whole lot of thoughts.

But I met a friend of mine in Cambridge, Massachusetts, who wanted to work on a film. And he knew about my expertise in Satanism. And he wanted to put together a film where the idea was something I had thought should be done the name of Satanism for a long time, if Satanists were asking for inclusion in the public forms, asking for the same rights and privileges that are afforded any other religious voice in the name of religious freedom, and then see how possibly disingenuous these claims of fighting for religious freedom actually were by see how possibly disingenuous these claims of fighting for

religious freedom actually were by organizations like the Liberty Council keep trying to open those doors. If we walk in, do they shut the door or do they accept religious liberty for what it actually is? So I love that by the way. I love what you're doing with that. We'll get into that, but yeah, keep going. I love it so. So at the beginning the beginning, we the beginning, we the beginning, we the beginning, we the beginning, we the beginning, we the beginning, we the beginning, we the beginning, we the beginning, we the beginning, we the beginning, we the beginning, we th, we th, we've th, we've th, we've th, we've th, we've th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, to, to, to to, to to to to to to tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. to. to. to. love it. I love it. So at the beginning, we viewed it as as a limited project.

And I had hoped I could keep my face out of it, my actual identity out of it. And we could put forward this idea. So the Skype interview isn't your optable interview? Is that what you're saying right now? So like the fact that you're on camera is a little nervous? Oh, not anymore. I've been on camera quite a bit since then. And it was that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that was that that that that that that that that that that that that that th th th th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to to to to to to to thi to thi to to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th you're on camera, makes you a little nervous? Oh, not anymore. I've been on camera quite a bit since then, and it was really an initiation by fire, because once the Baffermit Monument became a thing, I started doing all kinds of media, so I needed to straighten up and get used to it rather quick. It's still not, it's still not my thing, you know, being the focus of the face of. Yeah, yeah. And it's been speculated that I do it better because I'm reticent to do it. That if we were to have somebody who was hungry for the camera that might compromise the integrity

of the organization is, because we obviously need to manage our media very carefully, given people's assumptions of what we are. In any case, we thought we would do this limited project in that we'd kind of get the idea out there, and the Satanic Temple would operate more like anonymous, where people would, other groups would come up, other regional groups, and they could go under the banner of the Satanic Temple. They could be autonomous. They could build their own culture of what that means and they could fight these battles in a similar way.

They could be inspired to take this kind of Satanic Temple banner and do whatever they wanted to do. What are the numbers? Like, is there like a large, within America, isthere a large group? Are you a, you know, you always hear like, there's a billion Muslims, there's a billion Catholics, or Christians, there's 30 Jews, you know, there's like this crazy number that they put out like there's only like 10 million Jews in the world, you know, is there any guesstimation of how many Satanic,

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How would you describe the average Satanist? If you had that like someone asked you like, you know, we had Lee Camp on? We were like, Lee, what's the average? Lee Camp, you know, a fan looks like he's like a 55-year-old white woman. But what it, what's the, would you describe the actual, like Satanist? Because when we think of Satanist, what the the the the the th, what the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the average, the average, the average, the average, the average, the average, thi, thi, the average, the average, the average, thage, thage, thage, thage, thage, thage, thage, thage, thage, thage, thage, thage, th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. is is is is th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, the average, the average, the average, the average, the average, the average, the average, the the the average, the the average, the average, the the average, the average, their the average, the average, the average, the average, thi, th, would you describe the actual like Satanist? Because when we think of Satanist, what do we think of? We think Goth, you know, white makeup, you know, antisocial, that stuff is, who is your average Satanist? I think the demographics have shifted already a few times as we've gone through this. In the beginning, it was a lot of that. The Goth heavy metal crowd, 18 to 25 year old white male, and they were signing on with that kind of that kind of aesthetic and idea in mind. They wanted that kind of

culture, that kind of look. As we've done what we're doing, it's somewhat shifted. And the first demographic shift was very apparent when we did what we called the Pink Mass and that was when we did a protest against, a counter-protest against the Westboro Baptist Church at the grave of the founder of the Westboro Baptist Church's mother where we were we, we're getting this whole more thermony. I love that, I love that. Chaos. I love it. It culminated me dropping my testicles on her grave and declaring her a lesbian in the afterlife. Now do you have, do you have long balls? Like you have to have long balls to be able

to to teabag a grave like, because I don't have big balls. I mean I'm on a podcast with the guy named Mari Shafir and he has like a planet-sized nuts With a little moon nut by it and I could see him do I couldn't do that I would have to hump the the actual grave itself like so how did you teabag this I don't know if you've ever been asked that but Looked to him. It's not for me to comment on the quality of my balls. Okay, I respect that. I respect that. The picture is online though.

Okay, all right. I like that. I like that. So, are there around the world? Is it is Satanism mostly a American thing, a westernized thing? Is there Satanism all over the place? And I have a, after you answer that, I got a that, I that, I the the the the the the question the question that, I respect the that, I respect their their their their their their their, I respect their, I respect their, I respect their, I respect their, I respect that, I respect that, I respect that, I respect that, I respect that, I respect that, I respect that, I respect that, I respect that, I respect that, I respect, I respect, I respect, I respect, I that, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I the, I the, I the, I the, I'm the, I'm the, I'm their thathea, I'm to to to thate.a, I'm to.a, I respect to.a, I respect to.a, I respect their, I respect their, I respect there Satanism all over the place? And I have a, after you answer that, I got a question I have to ask. I envision there being a Germany chapter for sure.

Is there a Germany chapter? Not yet, not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Germans have reached out a few they were talking about is every so often we see a spike in activity in some country and find out that somebody ran a feature story about it, some some sister publication of an American publication that just takes an article and translates it or whatever else.

We have a lot of action in, in, in as far as places that you wouldn't think, you know, non-Christian nations. We get more activity out of Turkey than you would think and I'm not sure why. I'm not not sure. That is interesting. Do you think it has any correlation with Christian or religious fundamentalism? Like the, you know, because like there's parts of America where you drive through and they have giant crosses still Like, you know, because like, there's parts of America where you drive through and they have giant crosses still up, you know, our church channels are one of the regular channels you go through. Do you think that because American, America,

America was, you know, established by Christian fundamentalism, which was they try and escape Europe to start a more utopia for Christians over here. Do you think that has a direct correlation to that Satanism seems to have more of a base in America? Satanism does seem to appeal more to people who see the problem of evangelical nationalism and those encroachments of Christian theocracy. But that said we also do have some certain appeal to ex-Muslims or other religious dissidents, or even at times some people supplement their religious identity with the Satanic Temple's Satanism, meaning you do have at least some people who identify as Muslim Satanists.

And this is completely perplexing to a lot of people, usually people who don't understand the idea of non-theistic religion to begin with, but some people hold to their cultural identity along with the religion and not the actual beliefs themselves. They hold to the holidays, they hold to the ritual structure, they still want to belong to that community, and I think in the future we're going to see a lot more of that. And I think that's something we kind of argue for by arguing for the recognition of non-theistic religion, I think we'll be better off when people realize they don't need to hold on to hold on to bizarre superstitious beliefs that are intellectually insulting and thiii at some level don't actually believe in it all to still maintain their sense of ethical values and the sense of community they have with people.

I think when people are more comfortable identifying as non-theistic Christians, non-theistic Muslims or whatever else will be in a better place and then people can start talking about how we reconcile our differing values based on where the empirical evidence lies. When I was researching this, the origins of the word baffimit. Is it true that it comes from the word Muhammad? Yeah, that's the strongest theory that the scholars have. I don't think that's ever something that can be 100% resolve. But the idea is that during that it it that that that that that that that the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their is theirms. theirms. theirms. their is their is their is their is their islary. their isl. their isl. their isoomomomomom. their is is is is is is is is isoomomomomomomombs is is is is is. I is. I is is also is also is their is their is is their is. their is. I is. I is. I is. I is. I is. I isliiiiiiolioliolioliolioliolioliolioliolusususususususususususususus. their their the their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th's that's ever something that can be 100% resolve but the idea is that during the Crusades the Muslims were the enemy the Muslims are Satan in Mahomet was was was the word for Muhammad the Prophet of Islam and that

mr. diced into baffumet later on. So as we talked a little earlier Church of Satanic are not the same thing. Do they get along or is it like Biggie Smalls and Tupac? There's an East Coast, West Coast kind of disagreement going on here. Well, apparently there's some kind of disagreement. They don't agree that anybody but them are truly Satanists and that there's no actual authentic Satanism that exists outside of theruly Satanists and that there's no actual authentic Satanism that exists outside of the Church of Satan. We're happy to have them do what they do. We acknowledge that we don't agree with them philosophically on certain issues. We have no need to try and run about, trying to

deauthenticate them or discredit them in whatever way. That said, they seem to make a mission of trying to do that that to us us us us us us us us us us us us us us us us us th. And th. And th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. thi. tho, tho, thi. tho, thi. thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. And, their. And, thi. And, thi. And, the. And, thea. And, thea. And, thea. And, thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. And, tho. And, t way. That said, they seem to make a mission of trying to do that to us. And it seems like the entirety of their activity now is pursuing journalists who write about us and try to tell them online publicly that we're not real, that they've been conned or whatever else. So it's actually rather infantile. We try to remove ourselves as little as possible. But we do have have to defend to defend to defend to defend to to to their their th, th, thoo. thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I. I. I. te. tean. tean. tean. try. toda. tea. today. try. today. try. today. the. tho. tho. I respect that. It's a little as principle, but we do have to defend ourselves occasionally from. I understand that. Yeah, upon comparing your guys belief systems, I notice the one thing you guys do have in common is that you do not harm children. Like that's in the church of Satan and

one of their principles, and it's, I believe, encompassed basically in you guys, theyxed. And I find that at least you guys meet on a on a on a on a on a th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. teeeea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. te. te. t. t. t. and I find that at least you guys meet on common ground there you know we're gonna get into some of this tenant stuff too because we kind of went through and I I agree with all them but I want the reason I want to have you on is because I think there's a giant misconception of Satanism and quick what is Satan Lucifer same thing? Yes I mean you have these people saying that Satan is not Lucifer and you'll get these pricish kind of cosplay, Dungeons and Dragons players who split hairs and you claim that these are distinct entities or whatever else. And if you look at the kind of literary progression of the idea of Satan becoming Lucifer and Lucifer being with us Satan.

I understand the etymology of Satan andthe Satan. I understand the etymology of Satanism. I understand the etymology of Lucifer. I understand that in the Bible Satan was referred to as was a catch-all term for adversary but as this kind of literary progression went on Lucifer became the Satan. Okay. Because we just did a big thing on the Black Sun and how the, you know, there's the White Sun the Black Sun and that, you know, there's this whole theory that, you know, the anti-Christ. What is the, you know, you broke it down on the last episode or two episodes

to go, where you broke down, Ryan, that's, the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that you know what's the opposite of a man is a woman what's the opposite of God is earth and is Lucifer is is it possible that Lucifer is the divine feminine and the woman depends on who you're asking is depends on what literature you're reading I mean this this ultimately comes down to a type of literary analysis, which is what theology always is. And, you know, we go back to the Miltonic Satanist was rather male-centric, but of course, there is a strong thread of satanic feminism when you have Mary Shelley and her mother, Mary Bollin's cropped, and these were people who fought very much for feminism back when that was a serious battle to be had, and women couldn't vote and

weren't treated as equals in any way. And I like to kind of reclaim these values of early modern Satanism for Satanism, because we see as time goes on, the rights revolution, the history of it becomes rewritten to appease this idea of Christian moral dominance. You get this idea that Christians were always right when it comes to issues related to slavery. Pretty soon they'll be saying that they were the champions of gay rights, and gay rights wouldn't have been a thing if it weren't for whatever a few Christian church that at a given time or that the enlightenment itself happened because of Christian values.

This simply isn't true. We've been held back by these archaic notions and we should recognize that where it's true. Credit where credit do, but let's realize that enlightenment values go to Satan. You know, a big theme on, you know, the Duncan Trussle podcast episodes you did, you know, you know, you know, th. th. th. th. th. that, th. th. that, th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the, that, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their their, their their the, the, the. theat, theat, theateat, theatea. theatea. theate. their their their their their their their to Satan. You know, a big theme on, you know, the Duncan Trussle podcast episode you did, you know, is that they're, you know, this notion that, you know, Satanists are evil, their blood, they're killing, they're doing this, and you, but you take a look at like the big three religions, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and they're the ones the ones, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, their, their, you, you, their, their,, Judaism, and they're the ones dropping bombs. They're the ones, you know, dropping bombs on children and killing innocence.

You know, we hear like, you know, all we got, they treat women like shit in, you know, in the Middle East. And they, they treat children bad, they treat gays bad, but, you know, here we have a plea, Christian country, and we just drop bombs like who do you think we're killed over there we're killing women we're killing children we're killing the gays you know it just like it's such an interesting thing when I grew up you know what was Satan Satan was drug sex and rock and roll and I never really understood why that was such a bad thing I was like you know I like all those stuff and like now that we see the devil, quote, quote, quote, the devil, isn't in music,

guess what? Music sucks now, you know, it's like it's not even that great. Is there a misconception? Do you think about both the church of Satan, or the, excuse me, the satanic temple? Is there biggest misconception you think about your organization? Well, I think typically when people ask that, they expect me to talk about the idea of virtual sacrifice and those types of things.

But I think that's to be expected. And people then ask, well, then why do you use the name Satanism? As though it doesn't mean anything to us and we could just call it something else to appease other people and I have a real problem with that because I feel like there is a value in getting people to question their knee-jerk reaction against the idea of Satanism. 100% man. Yeah because if you don't you're you're also upholding this idea of Christian moral supremacy that they've always been on the right side of moral values and many of the things that were th. th. th. the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. thee. the. thee. the. theee. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. of moral values. And many of the things that were satanized throughout history, I feel fall well within the rights revolution and well within, as I've been saying, enlightenment values.

So shaking people up and getting them to recognize what people actually believe and judge them for what they actually do, I think that's a very good thing. And that goes well beyond just shaking people up for no reason. But if the question the are weird things people believe about us still, I think if we're in the rational world and we set aside the people who feel that we're sacrificing babies or we're mind-controlling people or whatever else, you still have people who think that we're doing this all as a big prank. That Satanism doesn't mean something to us and that it's purely a political ploy. And I have to tell you that we could not have put the work in that we've done in these

past five years for something like that. As funny as it may look on the outside, there's a lot of stress, a lot of pressure and a lot of work that comes with any of this. And it's never a safe thing to go to war against the zealots and the theocrats. The threats some of our local chapters receive, people are affiliated with us, anybody who ends up getting any type of press time. Just the knowledge that you could go into a certain job, and this is never going to leave my record.

This is never going to leave the record of people who've stood with us publicly before, this is going to have repercussions on their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and their, their, their, their, and their, and their, their, their, to be a, and their, and to be a to be a toe, and toe, to be a thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi.... And, and thi. And, thi. And, thi, thi, thi. And, toeeean, toean, toean, toean, toean, toean, toean, thri.ean, thrownean, thi. is going to have repercussions on their entire lives. And we can only hope that the more of us come forward and identify the way we do, the more people start thinking about it differently. But nobody's taking it lightly. And this certainly isn't a prank. And we genuinely do treat this as our religious, deeply held beliefs.

This is something that means something to us and at the end of the day, the journalists are gone, nobody's talking to us, we're alone in our homes, we're still Satanists. Yeah, and I respect that. As a conspiracy theorist, I do understand what you're going through, and I know it sounds crazy, but like even your reaction to the name of the show, and just, and just, and just, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and like, like, and like, and like, and, like, like, like, like, like, like, and like, and like, and like, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like reaction to the name of the show and just like I'd done a couple of my friends podcast really big podcast and some of the

blowback I got from that one from just simply answering the answering the questions that were asked of me and the the knee-jerk reaction because I you know I'll go to a comedy club and people will run up to me and ask me what would do you believe in thisthis? And I go, I'll talk anything, I'll listen to anything, I'll hear what the data says, what the opinions are, what, you know, the narrative of the story being told by the person I'm interviewing. And like, when I just said the, you know, you know, so I'm look on this comic's face just fear and they literally just

walked right off and I was like, okay I mean like you're close-minded to this this narrative just it's really sad that you you're not open-minded to all the different flavors in the world and just like and what is actually being done? And what is the the, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? The, the, the, the, uh, the, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, being done? And what is the, what's the word I'm looking for? The, not the backlash, but just the, okay. What I'm saying is this, is like the church of, the Satanic Temple, and like the kind of the bad vibes been thrown to, or the feelings towards it has been done over years and years and even and even though it's it's you're a five-year-old, you know, organization, just what you've walked into is never really easy. And it's like because people are just misinformed. They're not, they have no clue what you guys really stand for. And they don't even want to listen to it because people would rather be right than do right. And I think that's a big problem that people are so set in their ways and how they think that they just can't fucking, you know, what Aaron pounding?

The point is like, you know, you got to be open-minded to this shit and I just, I think the subtlety is for us to express that we're coming in to inform people about something they were misinformed about, not just coming in exploiting something they were misinformed about merely to kick them in the teeth. Yes, and you know the smear, the word I was the phrase I was looking for a smear campaign. I want to get into this your mission statement on your Wikipedia page is the mission of the satanic temple is to encourage benevolence and empathy. of the Satanic Temple is to encourage benevolence and empathy among all people. Reject tyranny, authority, terrical authority, advocate, advocate practical common sense and justice, and to be directed by the human consciousness to undertake noble pursuits guided by all the individual will.

What does that mean? What does that mean to you? Well, I think I'm living that now. I feel I am following my higher calling for lack of a better term. I feel like I'm doing something that's going to have a lasting effect upon the world. And I think you read our tenants, you read our mission statement. I think a lot of people, well, there's nothing to object to here. You hear that from a lot of people.

How could you actually read this and object to it? What's funny is we have seen a very dogmatic Christian or Catholic publications analyze these writings and take issue with them. They look at the seven tenants and they talk about how they are directly contrary to the word of God, how they kind of endorse this rationalist materialism that takes away a superstition, I don't know. I guess they would use a different word, faith or whatever else, but they find great fault with these seven tenants and they will be happy to tell you how and why these are indeed very satanic values even to them.

And I think it showed to show how corrupted some of the... 100% dude. The corruption, you know, Bill Burr's got a great bit about like, you know, believing in either Scientology or believing in like any religion and you have like a man, a man who farts and you know, you know, lies to people to get away with stuff telling you the divine message of a higher being is almost lefable. Let's get into the seven fundamental tenets. You want read these? Definitely. Ryan. And then you could explain them as we go. Well, you do thing up an interesting idea though. All right.

What kind of havoc would a video, just a video of the Pope taking a shit? How much havoc would that wreak upon the Catholic community? Do you think they could handle that? Yeah. Like he's human. He probably like BSes people just because he doesn't want to deal with the thiii. too' thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the thi. thi. Just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the thi. the the the the thi. the the thi. the the the the the on, you know, it's like how many times you lied to your girlfriend, not because you were trying to be evil, you just want to deal with the emotional, like dump that's going to happen from your girlfriend. And in that moment, you love her, you're not trying to be an asshole, you just don't want to deal with it right now. I'm sure the Pope does thupe- th th th th th th th th thu. He thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu tho tho tho tho tho tho tho that that tho hea hea hea hea he he he he hea hea hea hea hea hea hea hea hea he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he thu. thu. thu. He thi thi thi. He throoooooooooooo. He's just just just just to just to to to to to to tho. thoooooooooooooooo. He's just just just th whatever, I don't care, and lies to him. Like, how are you the divine guy? He's got some altar boy and he's saying to the other altar boy, I know, it's not a thing. We're doing the Lord's work.

We're doing the Lord's work, which I want to get into that real quick, but I want to read these ten episode, I mean his initial reaction was like, just like when you hear the word Satan, you're like, I don't know about that. Like, I guarantee you're going to read these seven tenets and you'd be like, I think I might be a Satanist. Okay, let's find them real quick. The one thing that really stood out to me is you guys talk about compassion, wisdom and justice. If you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you th you guys th you guys th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi that that tho tho tho tho thatu thi that, that, tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi thi thi thi thi. I thi tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi thi. thi that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that that to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thooooooooo tho tho tho to read that in any other religion, I'd think I would keep an open ear. So that's why I try to like lead with that one. So there's seven tenants, the fundamental tenants, one should strive to act with

compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason St. Louis agrees. We all agree on this one. I'm not from St. Louis. Well, like all religions, though, there's going to be disputes over the nuances of what within reason means, you know, what the limits of self-defense are, whether it's okay to kill animals for food. Those are still open discussions, of course. So so long as you're striving to act with

compassion and empathy, right? I think at the end of the day, it's intent. What's your intent? If you slaughter an animal to eat, there's, that's as primal as it gets, that's as mother nature as it gets. You see that even within the animal kingdom, whether they're not worried about a religion or anything like that, they eat to survive. I find that, you know, trophy hunting when you see like Donald Trump Jr. with a smug-ass, sweaty face with a bow, you know, a bow gun or, you know, standing next to this beautiful animal

that was like corraled into a corner so he could shoot it. It's like, that's totally different. Totally. Right, that's disgusting. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Okay, what's the next one? So the struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over all laws and institutions. And I think that's what you see us doing. We know what the laws are and we know when we disagree with the laws or we know when we can leverage the law in our favor. And we're fighting to create a landscape that is respecting of pluralism and diversity

and actual religious liberty. So we are, we have values that we feel trump laws and institutions, and we're fighting to gain recognition for those values. I, you know, that's a great, that's a great tenant. That could be applied to this past election. When there were people who were like, the DNC, not to get too political, because I'm not in either party,

but when the DNC is like favoring Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, and everyone's like they broke the spirit of the law. You know what I'm saying? They broke the agreement that they have that they wouldn't get into it. Did they break a technical law? And people get too hooked on laws. Like a law, laws, you know, you got to take a look at who wrote the law, who benefits from the law. It's like, like, like, like, like, like, the drug, the drug, th, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, tho, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the agreement, the, the agreement, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the agreement, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, is, the, the, they they. they.e, they's, theymea, they's, theymea, they's, theymea, they.e, they.e, the, the, the, their, the law. It's like drugs. Like my friends like, you know, this was like eight years ago or so, he's like, if weed was legal, I would smoke it. I go, well, what is that? Because

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This one is very important to our litigation efforts. This one is what we hinge our Protect Children Project upon, and the Protect Children Project is the Satanic Temple offering First Amendment protection against children who are in schools that allow corporal punishment, punitive beatings against kids who are misbehaving. We're saying that our religion is such that punitive beatings are an infringement upon our religious beliefs and if a child, their parents believe in that we have an exemption form that they can turn into school districts as they're exempt from being beaten by school administration.

You'd be surprised how big a problem this is. If you set your alerts and start looking at it, you'll see kids getting bruised and beaten up by school administrators. We put up a... Really? Yeah, we put up a billboard for our Protect Children Project in a area in Texas, Springtown, where they had a case where a male administrator had beat a couple of teenage girls till it looked like they had burn waltz on their asses. And these were their their their their their their their their their theeeyshs their thiiiiked their thia thia their thia their their their their their their their their their their their their their their-a' ths, ths, ths, ths, ths, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. ths, ths, ths, ths, ths, th. th. th. th. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. tea. tea. tean. tean. tean. tean. tean. tean. tean. teuuu. tea. tea. tea. te. teenage girls till it looked like they had burn welts on their asses. And these were teenage girls, so there may have been a sexual component involved. It was against their own policy to allow a male to beat any of this female students anyway, but instead of taking any punitive measures against him, the guy who did this beating, they changed the rules and retroactively

applied it. They said, okay, you know, anybody can beat, beat somebody. But this tenant is also what is important in our reproductive rights lawsuits. In Missouri right now, we have two lawsuits against the state of Missouri, a state and federal lawsuit against their restrictions against abortion rights. They've put these kind of restrictions on getting an abortion by making a woman coming to the clinic, receive informed consent materials 72 hours in advance. She has to go to the clinic, wait 72 hours. There's only one clinic that performs the procedure, so you might have to travel six hours, whatever, get daycare for, if you have other children, take time off work, that kindto travel six hours, whatever, get daycare for, if you have other children,

take time off work, that kind of travel, lodging, whatever else. They're just trying to make it difficult to get an abortion. And these informed consent materials within them, they put forward the religious notion that life begins a conception. And a woman's supposed to be made to understand this before she gets the abortion. We are saying we don't believe that, that life begins a conception. This is a religious notion that runs contrary to ours. Therefore, this is an encroachment upon our religious rights to demand that women of the Satanic Temple need to go through this informed consent. I love this.

I love this. Aaron, what did you have to say? I was just when he said Missouri I said I was just gonna say I'm not from there. Okay Aaron just wanted to let you know that he is not part of that whole Missouri thing. He's actually from San Diego. I thought you had issue with something. This is a big thing to me. My whole thing is we all came into this dimension through a vagina portal. So I don't th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th to th to to to th th th th to th to th to to th tho tho to tho to tho to to to tho thi thi to to to to to to to to to tho. tho to th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the the. the the the the the. the the the the the. the the. the the. the. the. the. take first place in most of our ways we think of things. In most states, you have to wait longer to get an abortion than you do to get a gun.

Yeah, it's unbelievable. So if it is taking it technically one life, you can get a gun and take out a whole bunch of fucking lives. Yeah, a lot of Christians care when you're in your womb than when you actually get out. And it's really sad because some people are born to a world of shit, and we don't take that into account when we think about where people are in life, you know? And like, that's why when I like walked down the street and I see a guy on the street who's not doing well, I'll give them five bucks. Not that that's anything, but it's like, they're but for the grace, the grace, the grace, th grae,'ve had problems with alcohol and you know and I've survived it but because I had the tools

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opportunities which leads either joining the military or going to jail. I mean it just it's almost sinister in how they operate. Right they want to take away abortion while also taking away options for unwanted pregnancies. They don't want to educate people on how to avoid unwanted pregnancy. They don't want to support contraceptives. It's, I think people living in the rational world see how destructive that is. And getting an abortion for a lot of women can be a very, a very serious matter, a very life and death matter, a matter of their health, their ability to stay financially afloat, whatever. They shouldn't need to go through this kind of an

embarrassing dissection of their own of their own personal agendas whenever this happens. It's simply, I think what a lot of people don't understand is it's not a convenient method of birth control. It's going to be very rare that you would actually find a woman who says, ah, fuck it, I'll just get an abortion if I get pregnant. That's not a terribly viable option and it's not really up to somebody else to decide whether they feel the reason is good enough or not. I totally agree. Okay, the next tenant comedian should love. I'll want to read.

The freedom of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and justly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forego your own. I love this. Okay, I'm four for four right now. I guess you'd probably be surprised then at how controversial this is.. thiiiiiiiiii. the the the the the the thi. the the thi. the the thi. the thi. the thi. the the thi. the the the next. thoe. the next. the next. the next. the. the next. the next. the next the next tend tend the next next next next next the next next next next next next next the next next next. the next. the next. the next. the next. The next. The next. The next. the next. the next. the next. the next. th. th. th. th. th. the next. th. the next. the next. the next. the next. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. ten. ten. ten. ten. ten. ten. ten. ten. ten. ten. nenenenenec. nec. nec. nenec. Yeah, there you go. I guess you'd probably be surprised then how controversial this is within the ranks of people who might otherwise support us. If there's been pushback from people on on any tenant amongst those who otherwise support us, it's this one. And that's very disturbing to me because there's there's really a push now for further limitations upon free speech. People act like free speech right now is just a wild frontier and you can always say whatever you want.

And that's simply not true. I think we have a reasonable free speech right now. There are provisions made against direct threats, slander, defamation, other type things, but I think we're really looking to hurt ourselves if we push for further restrictions against what people will conveniently call hate speech. People should have their even hateful speech protected if there isn't a real kind of credible legitimate threat to somebody's safety and well-being, that can be distinguished at that time. I think the marketplace of ideas really is the place to kind of hash that out.

And I think what a lot of people don't understand is I'm not saying there shouldn't be social prohibitions against people going on racist rants. Sure, call the guy a fucker, call him an asshole. You know, yell at him. Let everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody everybody th e let everybody you know, let everybody know you think he's an idiot or block them from your own Facebook page, your social media, or that's your platform. What I'm saying is I don't think there should be any more, any more robust government restriction. Yeah.

Big brothers should not be stepping in. And you know, when you talk free market I think speech is free market. If you don't like somebody and what they said, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them, to not buy their books, not go see their shows, not go not support anything they do, that's the best way to do, to rage. This notion that has really been prevalent over the last two decades of let's take our free take our freedoms to protect our freedoms and that freedom includes freedom of speech now freedom of speech really is the government

can't lock you up which we're starting to see happen we're starting to see people protesting the government and being thrown in jail North Dakota all that stuff with the pop line. That's freedom of speech. But even within comedy, you have these people who are just trying to limit speech, not because they really care. It's almost because of business they do this. Like I've got this thing now on Twitter.

I don't trust anybody with a blue check by their name that I don't know. Makes sense. I don't know you. Why are you put? And we have this big thing where they, we have these elitists in this country, pushing a narrative that they don't really apply to themselves or on top of this actually, actually will affect them. Totally. It's very interesting. I also just want to know somebody's an asshole. Yes! I want them to feel telling me what their asshole points of view are.

I wouldn't want to be engaged with somebody and then later on in private they tell me, I couldn't tell you before, but I'm really a fucking Nazi. Yeah. Great, fuck. All right. I just have to go door to door tell everybody what we're freaking sexual shit you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you are into into into into into into into into. . .

. You should have to go door-to-door tell everybody what weird, freaky, sexual shit you're into. That way you know who's who, man. Yeah, dirty laundry. Get it out. Yeah, get it out. And it's like, this is why we have like, there's this famous thing, this memo that came out this email that Steve Harvey isn't the nicest, right? the corporate game. And where other people who want to be honest

kind of can't, like they can't run for office. You know, the stuff I've talked about on podcasting, whether it's my drug abuse or my weird sexual shit that I'm into, you know, I can't really ever run for office. But I'm the most honest guy you'll know. It's true. Well, we do have people are fans that people that people that people that people that people that people that people are fans that people are fans that people are fans that people are fans that people are fans that people are fans that people are fans that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that Satanic Temple and then they say things like, well, we, you know, they are for the censorship of who they've deemed to be a Nazi fascist or whatever else.

The thing I don't think they realize is that every time we do something, every time the Satanic Temple asks for inclusion in a public forum, we have other religious groups claiming that what we're doing is hate speech. They're claiming that even tho. we're doing is hate speech. They're claiming that even though we might not be directly threatening them, our presence is a threat. Our message is directly anti-Christian and it causes acrimony against them and it creates a hostile environment that must be shut down. And I feel like if you if you broaden your definition of what constitutes hate speech, you will absolutely see your opponent take advantage of that and it puts us in a very bad place.

I think I completely agree at that man. All right, what's the next one? Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our own beliefs. We do you see people do that all the time man. And it's just like it's why the internet's really bad for that too because people Google and they'll keep going deep Google dives till they find some some story that fits what they want to believe. Oh yeah instead of the eight pages before that told them different all they're looking for and you know and that was a big thing when the Clintons deregulate the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. tho. tho. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th. they're th... they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they's they're they's they's th. they're th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. to to to to go go go go go go go go go go go go go. toe. theeeee. they. their the media and well actually start with Reagan Reagan took away where every news had to have a an opposition someone on the show who disagreed with it or or was the opposite view and could state that they took that away so then you had

the deregulation of the media now you have Fox News for the longest time and now MSNBC putting out just things that people th th th th th th that people th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi the the thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the. the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to the. toean. toean. toean. toean. toean. to. to. toeee. toe. the. the. the. the. the. Now you have Fox News for the longest time and now MSNBC putting out just things that people want to hear instead of giving the entire story. And I bring that brings us right into the next one. People are fallible. If we make a mistake we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. I mean I don't know what you're, but I'm in a 12-step program. That's almost verbatim the ninth step. That's like making amends and taking, owning your shit when you're wrong. And that's amazing to me how devalued that, that is, it seems. People really seem to like stridence and unbending consistency.

But I think people should really learn to value a person who can look at the evidence and say, oh, I was wrong. I think people should applaud loudly when somebody does that, when somebody says they fuck something up and they know better now and that they were willing to be corrected. There's a real strength in that. And I feel we've gone in our kind of perception of what makes for a good leader in the opposite direction, this idea that you need to stick doggedly and pig-headedly with a dense skull towards one notion of what is true and what is correct and what is right, that you just won't accept

the evidence for anything else. And that's just a very destructive mindset. Yes, yes, I completely agree with that. You have to be able to make mistakes, humans make mistakes, but you have to also give them a chance to apologize and make amends for those mistakes. And I think that's called being human. Yeah, owning your shit. And the seventh and final fundamental tenant is, every tenant is a guiding principle

designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. I mean, it's a very beautiful written fundamental tenants. I don't care how you break it down. If anyone that listens to this has a problem with that, email us. Yeah. That is the last tenant and that last tenant is the reason why when we were coming up with a monument to to......... I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. to to the to the the to the to the to the to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the to to, to me. to me. to, to, the their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the, the the the the the t. t. t. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. the tha. the the the te. the the the the the the the the te. tha. toda. t that is the last tenant and that last tenant is the reason why when we were coming up with a monument to go alongside the Ten Commandments monument that we didn't

want to engrave in stone our seven tenants. The idea is that nothing's really engraved in stone. And if you take seriously the idea of adjusting your values to the best available evidence, you always have to keep open the idea that you'll add another tenant or somebody else will in ten, twenty, a hundred years. I love it, dude. As a lasting effect, or take one away, whatever the situation might be, but you have to remain, remain a-open-minded to growth and change, and time-changes, times adapt. remain remain Open

Open-minded to growth and change and time's adapted and what's you know it's like your goals in life Sometimes your goals change you want this you realize hey that's not that bad Maybe this is will make me happier bring me more peace. It's okay to change and involve and grow and you know, I do think? Sometimes we we allow science to constantly change their point of view, but we hold religion to and involve and grow. And, you know, I do think sometimes we allow science to constantly change their point of view, but we hold religion to such a hard standard. And you know, when the Pope kind of came out and, you know, I have my own thing with the Pope,

you know, when he's like, you know, maybe we were, we've been really wrong to gaze. And like, the toobeck, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th., th., thi, thi, thi, thin, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. the, the, thin, tho, tho. tho. tho. tho. too. too. too. too. to, to, to, to, to, to, to crucified him. I was like, no dude, that's huge growth. For a guy that represents something that's been around for so long to admit that maybe they made some changes, I would rather applaud him than condemn him. And I'm glad you brought up the 10 Commandments monument, because that's where we definitely want to get to on this. And I know you can't see the our screen right now we have, if you can break it down in a quick little synopsis about your guys'

battle for your monument to be displayed. Right, right. Well, it started in Oklahoma. I believe it was in 2012 that Oklahoma actually passed a bill that allowed for the Ten Commandments monument to stand on state capital grounds. And they were trying to claim that this wasn't a violation of the First Amendment Establishment Clause because they were saying it was a secular historical document that illustrated the inception of U.S. law that somehow the Ten Commandments informed U.S. Constitutional law, which clearly isn't true, being that many of the Ten Commandments informed U.S. constitutional law, which clearly isn't true being that many of the Ten Commandments are counter constitutional.

There's prohibitions against free speech, anti-blasphemy, thou shal have no gods before me. That runs very contrary to the idea of free exercise. Yes. Nonetheless, they felt that this, that the Ten Commandments deserve placement, and they further argued that the Ten Commandments wasn't government speech. This was going to be private speech because it was going to be privately donated, and other parties could donate similar monuments or monuments representative of similar values if they so chose. So naturally we called their bluff. We made a eight and a half foot bronze

Baffamephemat monument which if you've ever seen is rather stunning. It's gorgeous. Yeah we have it at our Salem headquarters now so if you come by you can visit it until it goes to Arkansas, wherever else we can finally get it placed on public land. Now how many, where else are you trying to get it up now? Well, Oklahoma is now a moot point. Oklahoma's state Supreme Court ruled that due to the Oklahoma state constitution, that does not allow for any state sponsorship directly or indirectly of any religion or church that they need to take the Ten

Commandments monument down. And we were always clear that we were only ever going to have our monument up on grounds where there was already another religious monument, preferably a Ten Commandments monument because we're asserting pluralism, we're asserting religious liberty. And to us, and it's only an offense when there's only one monument giving the impression that the government is showing preference. If you have more than one, if you have opposing points of view, there's nothing wrong with that. That's secularism. Secularism I don't feel is necessarily silencing religious voices. It's making the government remain neutral

on what's appropriate religious expression. Government has no place in that. So they shut it down in Oklahoma. And then Oklahoma actually put it to a vote where they wanted their constituents to vote away that separation of church and state and the state constitution. It didn't work. So then they passed another bill or fought to pass another bill that would allow for historical documents, including the Ten Commandments, the Magna Carta or the Declaration of Independence, it said in the bill. Ah, they're trying to find a loophole. Right, right. So we we thou, if they thou they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put they put if they put if their their their their their their the the the the their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their theateateateateateateateate. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. te. te. their se. their se. their in the bill. Ah, they're trying to find a loophole. Right, right.

So we thought, if they put up the Ten Commandments monument again, now what would we do? You know, because what kind of historical document would we possibly use? Then after thinking about it for a while, we thought, we just engrave the Magna Carta monument. Yeah. But then, right, because why would the design parameters have to change? You know, we could we could say the back is the is the Baffermatt area. I love it dude. I love this chess game you play. I love it. So for those that are just listening, if you could just break down the statue. So you said it's about it's a nine foot tall bronze statue, a thousand. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. th. th. th. th. A. A. A. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. pounds, but the actual image as we're looking. About a thousand and a half. Yeah, the central image is Baffamat, which is the goat-headed sabbatheat.

It's a traumaphroditic and in its illustrated form, illustrated in 19th century by Nicole Historian Elifist Levi. We took the breasts off because we wanted to keep them on, but having them covered by the artist with some kind of cloth or whatever, like bronze cloth type thing, just didn't look good. The male chest looked a lot better, but we knew if we had bare tits out on the monument, that they would be very happy to say, that's why we have to reject your monument. It's portographic, it's vulgar, whatever.

Although we don't agree with that idea, we don't want, we didn't want to give them anything else to work with. We wanted them to confront the free speech issue, the religious liberty issue. So it has all th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th all th all th all th all th all th all th all th all th all th all th all th all th all th all the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the theeeooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo religious liberty issue. So it has all these binary elements. It's part animal, it's part human. We have a male and female child on each side. It has the caduceus in the middle,

which represents reconciliation, negotiation, the serpents around the rod that you'll see at pediatrics hospitals or whatever else. So, you know, those kind of binary elements we thought really spoke to this idea of reconciliation of the opposites, in that having this monument alongside a Ten Commandments monument further explored that concept, the idea that you can have supposedly or ostensibly opposing points of view, but they can still exist harmoniously on the same grounds. I love it, dude.

It's a beautiful sculpture. I mean, I like it. I love it, dude, and I love everything you do now, because we've got to start wrapping it up here. August 13th, there is a woman's mass event in Los Angeles. Will you be a part of that? I don't know yet. I may theeeeeaa. thea. thea. thea. thea. thiiiiiiii. thi. thi. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. too. too. too. too. too. I'm, too. I, too. I, to. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, to. to. to. to. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. It's toe. It's toe. toe. toe. toe. It's, toe. It's, toe. It's that? I don't know yet. I may be there, I may not, but everybody should stop by and say hi to the good people, the Satanic Temple of Los Angeles, they're doing great work. I love it.

It's a Los Angeles, a Satanic Temple of Los Angeles event is going to be a, it's going to be a part. We're going to be there. If there's, it's, it's, it's, it's, tha, tha, thin, thin, thi, thin, it's, thi, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's going. to to be. to be. to be. to be. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to be, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, is to be. to be. to be. to be to be to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be to be. to be to be. to be to be to be to be. to to to to to to to to to to too. too, too, too, too, too, too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too, too, too, to to to to to to's any tinful hats fans that want to come just know it's a benefit for homeless women weby there and women's reproductive. I'll let our people know. Please do do. Now real quick and then we got to wrap it up blood letting ritual. Is this real? Yeah that was at the last Los Angeles event but you're talking safe, sane, consensual. And when it falls within those parameters, I say let it rip. Now real quick, a big reason I want to have you on and I wanted, and I dude, I hope you had a great time and we really enjoyed interviewing you. I want to ask you, there's this whole thing going on with this pedogate thing going on,

the child sex and sacrificing and trafficking and you know, I'm gonna be honest with you for the people asked me like oh man who runs this I would say luciferians but I'm starting out to think I would just call it the dark arts and that it isn't Satanism or luciferianism that it really is just the dark arts that that's the only way to describe it because they kind of hijacked your guys' you know, a brand, I want to say, but not necessarily the essence of your brand. Well, you have to be really careful when you're looking at these claims

of pedophile cults or whatever else. A lot of this shit was not true. Okay. But some of that stuff, I mean, obviously, sex trafficking goes on, child abuse goes on. And it's a very complicated issue. Nobody wants to say that that doesn't happen. When I get very offended at some of the conspiracists who talk about child molesting cults. It's certainly not because I want to protect anybody who's that. that. that. that. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the the their their their their their their their their their to their their their to the. I the. I thi that's that that that that that that that that that that that that that that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that's that. I that's that's that. I that. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the the the the the the the the the the the the tea tea. I tea. too tea. tea. tooa. tea. tea. tea. I mean. I mean. I today too thaea. I thaea. I t conspiracists who talk about child molesting cults, it's certainly

not because I want to protect anybody who's doing that. It's because I feel that these kinds of false narratives about that can really distract from fighting the actual fight against child abuse. And this is something we do with Gray faction. Gray faction is a suborganization of the Satanic Temple that fights against the use of people, people using therapists, conspiracists, using recovered memory therapies to derive tales of satanic ritual abuse similar to what they were doing in the 1980s or 90s when people recover these memories of past lives of alien abduction. These are not, these are not, uh, these memories of past lives,

of alien abduction, these are not, these are often not historically accurate to anything that's happened to somebody. A lot of assumptions go into that kind of therapy, and a lot of times the narratives come from. Yeah, right, a lot of suggestions. And you find just about 100% of the time that these most implausible narratives, when they come up in that kind of of of of of th of th of th of th of th of th of just about 100% of the time that these most implausible narratives when they come up in that kind of context fit exactly what the therapist doing

these things already believed were going to take place. And they may think they're not guiding somebody or whatever else. But that, I think, is where we really are in this battle. We see a lot of very disturbed people in the mental health profession, giving people a certain crippling paranoia about cults that never existed. And while they're doing this, they're actually distracting and harming the fight against real abuse,

real traumatic abuse. And, and if I were to express to, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, that, they, thi, the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they., they., thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, thi. to, thi. thi. the, the. the, that, th fight against real abuse, real traumatic abuse. And if I were to express one thing to anybody on this is check out gray faction. that's a very lesser known aspect of the Satanic Temple that's very important. Gray action? Gray faction. Graf action. All right. Mad, I can't thank you enough for coming on the show today. You are excellent. I really enjoyed this as another, like I said, I saw this podcast five, six months ago. If you would have said this would have been something we did an interview on. I would have laughed, but man I felt was excellent.

I can't thank you enough. Where can they find you? Where can our our listeners find you and see with all the stuff you got going on. Well, we have a Facebook page where we keep our news feed active. We're in the news more often than you might think. You're going to keep a watch on our website, the satanic temple.com. Grayfaction.org. And follow me on Twitter at Lucian Greves. dot com uh... great faction dot org is g r e why uh... faction dot org and uh... and follow me on twitter at Lucian Greaves Lucian thank you still guys can check in with me any time for follow up as you as you like will you come back on to the show did you will you come back on our show absolutely anytime all right man thanks for coming on we really appreciate it was one of the

the best conversations we've had on a show and we are good luck with everything We're gonna stop by in the 13th if you're there. We'd love to meet up if not. We'll do this again very soon Great. Thank you. Thanks for tuning in man greatly appreciated and take care my. Okay. Good night. Good night. Oh, yeah, okay. It's time for the dream. Dream. Dream. Dream. Dream. Dream. Dream. Dream. Dream. Dream. the dream. the dream. the dream. the dream. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to. to. to. to. to. time for the dream donut check in with Aaron. That's right, dream donuts go to dream donuts on Twitter. Dream donuts the premiere donut shop truck in Los Angeles. Aaron thoughts? First of all, do I get a piece of the sponsorship? Yes.

At least a piece of a donut. Like, oh dude, we're gonna bring you mad donuts home, boy. Donuts from everything around me. We're gonna make it rain donuts. Uh, yeah, I mean, I've always, and I've heard Satanism explain the way that it was on today's show, and, I mean, who could argue against it? I just don't really care to be a part of anything, but... You don't want to be a part of any group. No. And I respect the shit out of that.

But I can still totally do all the things in those tenants, for sure. I love it. That's what I try to do something really quick. We would like to, if we could read some. We've been getting a lot of good feedback. Last week, we got the most comments ever on our YouTube page. And if you're watching this on YouTube, tell everyone you know about it. We got like 115 last time I checked,

and it was nothing but love for Aaron. And give love to Aaron, because he's a big part of the show. He's love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love. He's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the, the the, the the the. the. the the. the. the. the. the thea. thea. thea. to thea. to thea. to to Aaron because you have no idea. He's a big part of this shit. He's a big part of the show. You guys think he's does it. He knows what he's doing. He's part of the show. How do you find... And if there is any other guests like we said in the top of the show that you want, please do email us at tinfoil hat pod at Gmail. What is this? What's going on? What's going on? th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. thi. th. th. th. th. tho. thi. thi. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. thoe. thoe. thoe. thoe. tho. tho. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. to. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. the. the. tripping with Tripoli. Did you, what was going on? Stop! Stop! There we go, you have motherfuckers. Yeah, make no mistake, fans of the show, you know, like, just like Sam is interested in all this stuff and hearing about it. I'm open to, hearing about it too.

I don't think anybody hate you. I think they enjoy the talk of it. And what the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is thi thi thi thi thi thi, I thi, I thi, I tho, I tho, I tho, I'm thi, I'm still still still, I'm to be to be to be to be, I to be, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I tho, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm, I'm, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, t. I think the truth is that you're a big part of the show. We always appreciate everything you do. Before we go, we just want to do it a little. Yeah, come out, August 13th. August 13th. Find it on the satanic temple if you're in LA. We're gonna be there.

It's from 9 to meet me in person, I would very much like to be brown. I prefer, you know, life's too short to bang what you came out of, right? I like that. What, what, what dates they, 17th? So we're going to go by July 11th. Some do from Albany, New York, guys, the truth bombs are blowing my mind and bowels. I love it. Take a shit while you listen to us, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I their, I their, I their, I their, I th, I th. Uh, th. Uh, th. Uh, th. Uh, th. Uh, th. Uh, th. Uh, th. Uh, th. Uh, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's the truth bombs are blowing my mind and bowels. I love it. Take a shit while you listen to us. I can't hear my I can hear my hair grow by Funtimes Fapper five stars Sam my hair is growing. And like if it grows like fucking Ryan's you're winning my home boy. Chinese cat sunflower five stars found this from the Duncan trustling love all the connections between different theories. Top three podcasts. Thank you but it's a long one I can't read all of it. Put a tank in the mall. Put a tank in the mall. Put a tank in the mall. Filipinos love you. Stevie weby. That sounds like an

inside joke. We appreciate that. Five an inside joke we appreciate that five star review good shit thank you US bold 92 and finally makes conspiracies fun five stars doesn't take himself too serious like Alex Jones and no topic is off bounds is out of bounds the show makes conspiracies fun to listen to whether you believe them or not. And that is the point of the show. 100% agree. We found it. We had our best week last week. I mean our numbers exploded. All the Duncan Trussle people, all the Stevie Weeby people, all the your mom's house people, all the

Dug Stano people and all the what's happening, what's up, fool people. Thank you guys so much for listening and giving us a chance we're gonna grow. This is your show as much as it's my show, what you guys want us to talk about. And I love how it opened up with a little tension. He was like, oh, Tim Foyle Hat, but I think he understood after a while that we're quality. There you go. Aaron, thank you so much for everything guys. It is, you know, till we're doing another one, we got, we're putting out two this week so I hope you guys enjoyed both of them and no, hold on both of them I hope you enjoyed both of them and we shall see you on the other side. And take care, guys.

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