Titanic: Ship of Dreams - 10. Safe at Last…

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

As RMS Carpathia arrives on the scene Titanic’s survivors are hauled aboard. Bruce Ismay retreats to a private cabin, refusing to speak to his fellow passengers. Rumours swirl on land as word of the... disaster reaches New York and Washington. Titanic’s radio operator gets a life changing offer. And as Carpathia approaches Manhattan, the press are already figuring where to pin the blame… A Noiser podcast production. Narrated by Paul McGann. Featuring Josyann Abisaab, Stephanie Barczewski, Jerome Chertkoff, James Delgado, Ray Hanania, Veronica Hinke, Clifford Ismay, Tim Maltin, Stephen McGann. Special thanks to Southampton Archives, Culture and Tourism for the use of the Eva Hart archive. Visit SeaCity Museum for an interactive experience of the Titanic story (seacitymuseum.co.uk) Written by Duncan Barrett | Produced by Miriam Baines and Duncan Barrett | Exec produced by Joel Duddell | Sound supervisor: Tom Pink | Sound design & audio editing by Miri Latham | Assembly editing by Dorry Macaulay, Anisha Deva, Rob Plummer | Compositions by Oliver Baines and Dorry Macaulay | Mix & mastering: Cody Reynolds-Shaw | Recording engineer: Joseph McGann | Nautical consultant: Aaron Todd. Get every episode of Titanic: Ship of Dreams two weeks early and ad-free by joining Noiser+. Click the subscription banner at the top of the feed to get started. Or go to noiser.com/subscriptions Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:33 It's the early hours of April the 15th, 1912. The Cunard liner RMS Carpathia is steaming through the night, full speed ahead. Ever since the ship's wireless operator Harold Cottam received Titanic's distress call at 12.25 that morning, Carpathia has been in crisis mode. Captain Arthur Rostron has ordered every last drop of steam to the engines. He's doing his best to cross the 50-odd miles, separating them from Titanic in record time. The decks of the ship are shaking as the engines are pushed to their limit. Unlike Titanic, Carpathia is a modest single-funneled workhorse. Her top speed, officially at least, is 14 knots, compared to Titanic's 23. But right now, Rostron is squeezing 17 knots out of her. Blazing through the darkness,
Starting point is 00:01:36 he knows he's taking the lives of his passengers in his hands. More than once, Carpathia has had to dodge an approaching iceberg. A deeply religious man, Rostron will later write that the hand of God must be on the helm that night as his ship zigzags around the bergs. By 3.30 am Carpathia is approaching Titanic's last recorded position. On board, everything is in readiness. Blankets have been laid out in public rooms. Tea, coffee and hot soup are all on hand, not to mention copious quantities of brandy. The crew have even sourced some heavy-duty restraints in case any
Starting point is 00:02:26 of Titanic's survivors have lost their minds. Up in the crow's nest the lookouts are keeping a sharp watch, scanning the horizon for Titanic's four giant funnels. But all they can see, far away in the distance, is a little green light. It's too low in the water to be a liner, let alone the biggest ship in the world. Rostron orders Carpathia to slow down as they approach. He sounds the ship's whistle to alert those in the water that they're coming. At 4am, as the first rays of daylight begin to break through the night, Carpathia's lookouts spot a small boat, a quarter of a mile away. It's Titanic's lifeboat two.
Starting point is 00:03:22 The wind is rising now, and the surface of the water is becoming choppy. Rostron orders his second officer, James Bissett, to board the lifeboat and help the survivors aboard Carpathia. Be careful that she doesn't capsize, he warns him. As Carpathia pulls up alongside the little boat, Bisset and three colleagues clamber down rope ladders. Inside, they find
Starting point is 00:03:56 Titanic's fourth officer, Joseph Boxall, along with a mixture of men, women and children. Many of the survivors are in no state to climb the ladders. They have to be winched up to the deck instead. One woman, wearing a fur coat over her nightie, is clutching something tightly to her chest. Bissett assumes it must be a baby, until she cries out in terror, Be careful of my doggy.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Last but one out of the boat is Joseph Boxall. Bissett climbs up the ladder after him and takes him to Carpathia's bridge. Where is Titanic? Captain Rostron asks him. Boxall's face is ashen. Gone, he replies. She sank at 2.20 a.m. There's a moment of stunned silence. Then Rostron asks,
Starting point is 00:05:02 Were there many left on board? Hundreds and hundreds, Vauxhall replies. Perhaps a thousand, perhaps more. His voice breaks with emotion. My God, sir, he cries. They've gone down with her. From the Noiser Podcast Network, down with her. From the Noisa Podcast Network, this is Titanic Ship of Dreams, Part 10. Titanic's distress position was ten miles wrong.
Starting point is 00:05:59 Tim Moulton, author of 101 Things You Thought You Knew About the Titanic But Didn't. So, actually, Carpathia had steamed at full speed towards 10 miles away from where the actual Titanic was sinking? Since Carpathia's wireless operator received Titanic's distress call three and a half hours earlier, they've been storming towards the coordinates given in the message. Forty-one degrees, forty-four minutes north, fifty degrees, fourteen minutes west. Those coordinates are based on a calculation made by Titanic's fourth officer, Bokthor. But it turns out his figures are off. Because of a one-minute error between taking a star sight on the deck and
Starting point is 00:06:46 transferring that correct timing onto the ship's chronometer time, there was a one minute error made in that which equates to a 10 mile error. But by absolute luck that night, and there was luck as well as bad luck, the true position of the sinking Titanic and indeed her floating lifeboats was on the wrong track between the rescue ship and the wrong position. So it just so happened that they picked up the lifeboats by accident because of where they happened to be when they were in the wrong position. They were in the wrong distress position. This stroke of luck undoubtedly saves many lives.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Captain Rostron has been pushing Carpathia's engines to the limit, but even so he only just arrives in time to rescue the 700 or so men, women and children in Titanic's lifeboats. Conditions in the North Atlantic are deteriorating fast. The wind was getting up, the waves were getting up, some lifeboats were fairly swamped. Had Carpathia arrived, say, two or three hours later, it's likely that there could have been no survivors from the Titanic. Some have already been forced to abandon their original lifeboats. My great-uncle Jimmy McGann has spent most of the night on the upturned collapsible B, along with junior telegraphist Harold Bride and Titanic's second officer Charles Lightoller.
Starting point is 00:08:12 A few hours ago, they were beating away fellow survivors with their oars to prevent the collapsible from capsizing. And now, with the wind picking up, keeping collapsible beer float has become even more difficult. My brother Stephen. Come the dawn, the sea starts to roughen. They're getting worried. Light hollows are getting very worried because it's getting lower in the water. And so they all have to stand up in rows and keep the thing trimmed. Uncle Jimmy is used to trimming of a different kind, hauling coal around Titanic's lower decks
Starting point is 00:08:51 to make sure the weight is distributed evenly. Now it's the weight of human bodies that must be carefully balanced instead. Anyone who's seen the landmark film film I think my favourite Titanic film is A Night to Remember the 50s film and when I was a child I used to love it
Starting point is 00:09:10 because everybody in Liverpool loved those sea stonemies but little did I know that there's a very famous Kenneth Moore scene playing light on it and goes
Starting point is 00:09:18 alright everybody you know you've got to all stand up and trim and he's on this collapsible lifeboat which I didn't yet realise that my great uncle was probably sitting next to it You know, you've got to all stand up and trim. And he's on this collapsible lifeboat, which I didn't yet realise that my great-uncle was probably sitting next to it. As the weather worsens further, the balancing act becomes all but impossible.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Eventually the time comes for the men on Collapsible B to abandon ship again. They look like they're sinking. So they ask a different lifeboat, I think it was lifeboat 12, to come up. Lightoller's blowing his whistle frantically. He whistles to try and get one of them to come up so they could transfer some of the men. And so what happens is that one of the empty lifeboats that has emptied itself to go to the wreck actually picks the people off collapsible B. They end up transferring just as the carpatia is coming up. One man is dead of hypothermia.
Starting point is 00:10:17 Some people slipped off in the night with hypothermia. Jimmy's still there. And they are the very, very last people saved. They get transferred to Lifeboat 12 and then they go up at half past eight in the morning onto the Carpathia. And that vessel, Clatsable B itself, is left to float about the Atlantic. The survivors from Clatsable B are mostly tough young men. But the last few hours have put them through the ringer telegraphist harold bride can't even walk he has frostbite in one foot and a sprained ankle on the other side all of the survivors from the titanic were in a very bad way especially those on
Starting point is 00:11:00 collapse will be they weren't really thinking straight. Many passengers, for example, Bride, whose feet were so badly damaged, they had to create a sling and actually haul him up onto the Carpathia. When it comes to the surviving children, the boarding procedure is even more complicated. Eva Hart was seven years old when Titanic sank. Her mother Esther made it into the lifeboat with her, but her father was left on the ship.
Starting point is 00:11:31 The rescue of people from lifeboats in mid-ocean is quite a terrifying thing. These little boats, shall we say, draw up alongside, for want of a better expression, to what looks like an enormous vessel. And then how do you get on board? You don't have a gangplank like you do when you're ashore. And so they opened the hatch in the side of the ship where the luggage used to be laid, and they threw down rope ladders, and people like my mother and other grown-ups
Starting point is 00:12:02 had to climb up in mid-ocean up a swaying rope ladder, which she said was the most terrifying thing. The sailor behind sort of holding on. And then what can the children do? We couldn't climb up a rope ladder. So they got this big luggage net, and the mesh is fairly wide apart. It's quite a big mesh.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Children would have slipped through it. So each child was put in a sack. And I ended up being petrified when I was put in that sack and it was tied around. And the sack full of these children were put into these huge nets. And quite safely, of course, hauled aboard. But that really was quite terrifying. And having got on board, of course, I couldn't find my mother. And I didn't find her for hours.
Starting point is 00:12:53 Eva and her mother got separated during the night, when 5th Officer Lowe started moving passengers between lifeboats, attempting to make space for survivors. When the dawn came up and we were being picked up by the Carpathia, I wasn't in the same lifeboat with her. I'd spent the rest of the night after she had gone, or I'd been lifted out of the boat, I'd spent the rest of the night screaming for her. And I found her, of course, on the Carpathia.
Starting point is 00:13:24 She was looking for me and I was looking for her. But that must have been quite dreadful for people like my mother who would look around to see if my father had by any chance made it. But nobody did, of course. Esther Hart isn't the only mother on Carpathia frantically searching for a missing child. Lebanese migrant, Shanina Abisab, spent the night in collapsible sea, along with White Style boss Bruce Ismay and an extremely distraught woman who'd lost her son. Dr. Josiane Abisab. She said that several passengers had actually froze to death in her lifeboat.
Starting point is 00:14:16 And next to her on the lifeboat, there was a woman who was sobbing hysterically. And that woman was the mother of a child called Tommy. Once the lifeboat reached the Carpathia, this mother who had lost her son was continually crying, hugging another child, a small child, to her breast. Several hours after they had been taken on board the Carpathia and given some clothing, Shainina was coming from her cabin when she saw a nurse carrying a child wrapped in a blanket, and she recognized that child as being Tommy. So she told the nurse the story of the mother, the grief-stricken mother, and she handed the little boy to Shainine, who took the little boy to his mom, and Shainine said that that reunion was a sight she will never forget.
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Starting point is 00:15:49 By then, they've been bobbing around on the ocean for more than four hours. And it's not just the distraught mother who's in a very bad way. They were given brandy when they arrived. They were also checked over by the doctor. Some of them were suffering from shock. We know that Ismay himself had to be sedated in his cabin
Starting point is 00:16:11 because he was suffering so much from the effects of shock. Clifford Ismay, Bruce's fifth cousin once removed. Bruce was among the last passengers to be taken aboard. Once he was aboard, he kind of stood with his back to the bulkhead of the ship. One of the stewards came and offered him some soup, and he just kept saying, I'd rather not, I'd rather not. He offered him some hot tea, just the same as he did with all the other passengers, and all Bruce could say was, I'd rather not,
Starting point is 00:16:42 and he was just staring into the water. Obviously, Titanic was long gone then. and all Bruce could say was, I'd rather not. And he was just staring into the water. Obviously, Titanic was long gone then. And we were just staring out at the water, probably thinking about all those lives that had been lost. And I think at that point, that's when the PTSD was first hitting him. The Carpathia's doctor was walking around everyone and I think he realized with Bruce that there was something serious going on here. So the doctor took Bruce back to his own private cabin, which also doubled up as a surgery, and Bruce spent the rest of the voyage in that cabin.
Starting point is 00:17:27 Psychology professor Jerome Chertkov. He testified that he stayed in his cabin the whole time. He was the head of the company that built this ship that sank and over a thousand people died. I suspect he felt partially responsible and he didn't want to confront people who might feel that White Star Lines was responsible for this. I think Ismay's conduct on Carpathia is very, very bad. He probably knew more people on Titanic that drowned than anyone else.
Starting point is 00:17:59 His guests were the Kakartas, a very wealthy family, very powerful railway-building family in America, and they'd all died on Titanic at his invitation. And look, I can't blame him. I think if it had been me, I might have cowered and hidden in my cavern as well. On Monday morning, Carpathia's doctor brings Ismay a visitor. 17-year-old Jack Thayer. He's hoping a familiar figure might snap him out of his depression. Jack Thayer was taken to the cabin by the doctor in the hope that Thayer would be able to bring Bruce back into the world, as it were,
Starting point is 00:18:41 because Thayer and Bruce were acquainted. But even young Jack Thayer, he couldn't get anything out of Bruce at all. Thayer's account of the visit paints a picture of a man in a precarious mental state. He was seated in his pajamas on his bunk, staring straight ahead, shaking all over like a leaf. My entrance apparently did not dawn on his bunk, staring straight ahead, shaking all over like a leaf. My entrance apparently did not dawn on his consciousness. Even when I spoke to him and tried to engage him in conversation, he paid absolutely no attention and continued to look ahead with a fixed stare. There are reports of people going in to try and talk to him and he wasn't really there.
Starting point is 00:19:29 So I don't doubt that he may have suffered a real nervous breakdown, mental breakdown, being in a real sense of shock. But amongst those who made it off Titanic, Ismay's disappearing act doesn't go down well. I know many women who slept on the floor in the smoking room, recalls the newly widowed Mary Smith, while Mr. Ismay occupied the best room on Carpathia. To many of the survivors,
Starting point is 00:20:03 it's an open question whether the White Star boss really is under medical supervision, or just receiving the usual preferential treatment. You could say the chairman of the White Star line had the luxury and warmth of the doctor's cabin while the other passengers were on the deck. And I'm sure many of the passengers would have been in the same situation. And I think it was probably the fact that the doctor had realized that Bruce was the chairman of the White Star Alliance. That brought his attention to Bruce's condition.
Starting point is 00:20:33 However, he did end up in the doctor's cabin where he was given opioids to calm him down, and he just sat there staring. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Ismay's behaviour, one thing is clear. The man who climbs aboard Carpathia on Monday morning, still wearing a suit hastily thrown over his pyjamas, is barely recognisable from the commanding White Star chairman
Starting point is 00:21:00 who set sail from Southampton five days earlier. Again, what if? What if they'd added more watertight compartments? What if they had more lifeboats? What if anything? And I think he was probably very troubled by the fact that he survived when he realised that there were still women and children on board the Titanic when she went down. He probably did have to survive his guilt over that. He could not face the widows on the Carpathia. He could not face it.
Starting point is 00:21:33 He had a lot of shame for having survived. I mean, how do you live with something like that? Realising that you had escaped the Titanic when afterwards you'd learned women and children had still been on board. Ismay will later testify that he believed all the women and children on Titanic had already boarded the lifeboats when he made the split-second decision to step on board Collapsible Sea. Now the consequences of that decision are starting to become clearer. All men who survived the Titanic disaster were vilified at the time, especially those, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:16 rich and powerful men. Women and children died and people couldn't understand why there were bases left in the lifeboats and some men got in. Ismay is often characterized as the villain of the piece, the baddie in the Titanic story. I didn't really know much about the Titanic until I was about eight or nine years old. I was in the sitting room with my father, and there was this movie about the Titanic came on TV, black and white. It wasn't in those days, of course. And I saw at the end this scene of this cowardly looking
Starting point is 00:22:53 gentleman, very, very sheepishly climbing into a lifeboat, hoping not to be seen. And I thought, what's happened to my relative? Did he really do that? It's difficult to know what was going on in Bruce's mind. He was in a state of deep depression. I wonder if he ever had any suicidal tendencies. Maybe the ship's doctor saw something like that and he maybe thought this man should be confined to the cabin, keep an eye on him at all times, just in case
Starting point is 00:23:25 he were to do anything silly. And that's probably another reason why he was given opioids, to keep him calm. At 8.30 on Monday morning, the very last of Titanic's survivors are brought on board, just as another rescue vessel belatedly arrives on the scene. It's the SS Californian, the ship that ignored Titanic's distress rockets the previous evening, that turned off their wireless set and went to bed, rather than coming to investigate. Since waking early this morning, the Californian's captain, Stanley Lord, has been plagued by his own catalogue of what-ifs.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Like Rostron, he's made the best possible speed to Titanic's position, but he has arrived too late to help. If he'd only set off eight hours earlier, things could have been very different. Communication to other ships is key in successfully evacuating passenger ships. Titanic had contact with a lot of ships, but not with the closest ship, which is the Californian. And the Californian's wireless operator had gone to sleep before the Titanic hit the iceberg. So the warnings that the Titanic sent out were not received by the Californian. If the Californian had received them and if the Californian had risked going through back ice to the Titanic, probably most, if not everybody, would have been
Starting point is 00:25:15 saved. Now Californian receives a new request for help from Carpathia's Captain Rostron. This one is delivered the old-fashioned way, using signal flags. Carpathia will soon be departing for New York. Rostron wants to get the Titanic passengers back on dry land as soon as possible. But he tells Captain Lord to remain at the scene of the disaster, and continue searching the waters for survivors. As well as men, women, and children, and a handful of pet dogs, Rostron now has thirteen of Titanic's lifeboats on board Carpathia, the only salvageable material from the disaster.
Starting point is 00:26:02 He plans to deliver them to the White Star Dock in New York. The rest of the boats have been left to float away, some still containing the bodies of those who froze to death in them just hours earlier. Before they leave the wreck site, Rostron asks one of his passengers, an Episcopalian priest, to give a service in the first-class lounge. While the ship slowly circles Titanic's floating wreckage, Friar Roger Anderson leads the congregation in prayer for the 1,500 souls lost when she plunged to the bottom. He gives thanks, too, for the 705 lives that have been saved.
Starting point is 00:26:47 When the service is over, Captain Rostron gives the order to bear away. It's a four-day voyage to Pier 54 in Manhattan, and he doesn't want to waste any time. After all, his ship is now full to bursting. The situation on Carpathia immediately after the rescue is extraordinary. So she's absolutely packed to the gunnels, if you like. You've got first-class passengers that are offering their beds to third-class families. You've got a lot of the Carpathia passengers who are sleeping on the floor in the dining rooms and hallways and corridors.
Starting point is 00:27:24 And of course, don't forget, Carpathia had 700 people on board already, so it doubles the amount of people. The compassion shown by Carpathia's passengers is remarkable. But they aren't the only ones pitching in to help. The so-called unsinkable Molly Brown has barely stepped on board before she's hard at work, aiding her former shipmates. Veronica Hinckley Margaret Brown, who had gone through probably the worst experience of her life, was able
Starting point is 00:28:00 to find it within herself to be a leader in helping others. When she was finally aboard the Carpathia, the first thing she started doing was organizing groups to provide blankets, hot drinks to survivors. And she got a group together made up of mostly men and wanted to find a way for them to come together to honor Captain Rostron, who made that very difficult decision to go into an iceberg-infested area to try to rescue people. After they arrive in New York,
Starting point is 00:28:39 Molly Brown will present Captain Rostron with a commemorative silver cup, along with medals for the rest of the crew. She'll give him a present of her own as well, a little turquoise figurine that she bought on her recent holiday to Egypt. It's one of the few things she took with her on Titanic that isn't at the bottom of the ocean. Right now, though, Molly Brown is focused on Titanic's poorest passengers, those from steerage who lost everything they owned when the ship went down. She pays for a number of third-class passengers to send telegrams home, letting their relatives
Starting point is 00:29:19 know they're alive. She sets up a Titanic Benevolent Front, roping in committee members and securing pledges from fellow first-class passengers to the tune of $10,000. But not everyone wants to know. One wealthy-looking lady responds to her story about the plight of the steerage passengers with a haughty, why worry? She boasts that on arrival in New York, she will be heading straight to the Waldorf Astoria. And she's not the only first-class passenger whose privilege is showing. Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon honours his debt to the men in the so-called money boat, presenting each of them with a cheque for five pounds, as promised.
Starting point is 00:30:11 His wife Lucy goes a step further, demanding that they all sign her life jacket, and then pose for a group photo. Smile, please, Sir Cosmo orders, as their fellow passengers look on, appalled. On Monday afternoon, Captain Rostron visits Bruce Ismay, still under sedation in the doctor's cabin. He suggests Ismay might want to contact the White Star office in New York and let them know what's happened. Ismay scribbles a brief note on a slip of paper. Deeply regret advise you Titanic sunk this morning
Starting point is 00:30:54 after a collision with iceberg, resulting in serious loss of life. Full particulars later. Rostron has the message taken to Carpathia's wireless room that afternoon, and authorizes his Marconi operator Harold Cottom to transmit it. But for some reason, Ismay's message doesn't go through for another two days. In the meantime, rumors are beginning to swirl on land. Some of the previous night's distress calls have been picked up on shore.
Starting point is 00:31:33 James Delgado. Titanic happened at a time when it could be shared with the global audience as it happened. In many ways, I think Titanic is the world's first modern media tragedy. It isn't exactly live as it happens as we now see today, but the wireless, the fact that it broadcast the messages and then that people were on the way, it was Marconi's instrument that really connected Titanic in that way. In later years, a former Marconi operator based at the Wanamaker department store in New York will claim to have broken the news about the Titanic disaster. Professor Stephanie Baczewski.
Starting point is 00:32:12 There is a radio operator in New York who's up in a radio studio that's up on the top of a department store. This guy, his name is David Sarnoff, and he goes on to be head of the NBC television network. So he goes on to have a very prominent career, but he's up there and stuff starts to trickle in. You know, he starts to get the sense that there's like something going on out there on the ocean. At this point, even the white star people don't really know what has happened. Something's going on out there, but nobody would really have ever been able to imagine that it was this bad.
Starting point is 00:32:47 And so Sarnoff finally decides to take the plunge at some point. It gets out of this very kind of unofficial way, and it takes days before understanding fully what has happened. So it's a very, very different type of news event from what we're used to today. In recent years, Sarnoff's claim that he broke the Titanic story has come under question.
Starting point is 00:33:12 For a start, the Wanamaker department store wouldn't have been open on a Sunday night when Titanic was broadcasting its distress call. But what we can say with certainty is that however the story gets out, it's garbled in the process. On Monday, most of the newspaper headlines are woefully inaccurate. All saved from Titanic after collision, reads the Evening Sun. She did not sink, claims the Wall Street Journal. No lives lost, reports the Vancouver World.
Starting point is 00:34:00 So there are rumours like Titanic's met with an accident, but she's being towed to Halifax and she's going to be all right. And of course, people thought that must be more realistic than the great Titanic actually sinking on her maiden voyage. That's just too bonkers to be true. And it's not just the press who've got the wrong end of the stick. Bruce Ismay's number two in New York, Philip Franklin, spends most of Monday reassuring anxious relatives that everyone on board the ship is fine. We place absolute confidence in Titanic, he tells them. We believe that the boat is unsinkable.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Franklin even charters a special train service between Halifax and New York, so that Titanic's passengers will be able to finish their journey. It's not until 6.15 on Monday evening that Franklin learns the truth, thanks to a telegram from the Olympics captain Haddock. Carpathia reached Titanic's position at daybreak, found only boats and wreckage. Franklin is stunned. It takes him 45 minutes to compose himself enough to face the press. Later, in front of a room full of reporters, he breaks down in tears.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Olympics captain Haddock has the most powerful wireless set on the North Atlantic. He has been in contact with Captain Rostron on Carpathia for the past couple of hours, trying to get more details to pass on to White Star. Rostron's crew are compiling a list of all the survivors on board, as well as those known to have perished. Among the latter, Haddock's friends, Captain Edward Smith and First Officer William Murdoch. Olympic is on its way from New York to Southampton. Haddock offers to meet up at Carpathia en route and take some of the survivors back to England
Starting point is 00:36:00 with him. But Rostron declines. He fears that seeing Titanic's twin sister could be traumatic for his new passengers. As Bruce Ismay later puts it, it might harrow their feelings. Haddock agrees to keep his distance. He sets a course well clear of Carpathia's, making sure to stay out of visual range. And Captain Rostron is carefully managing the flow of information as well. His wireless operator Harold Cottom is being pestered with queries sent from shore stations, but Rostron has ordered him not to respond. Even US President William Taft is told he'll have to wait when he gets in touch asking for news of his beloved aide, Archibald Butt. But despite the communications blackout,
Starting point is 00:36:55 on land the picture is becoming more accurate every day. On Tuesday morning, the New York Times gets most of the details correct, even if their sums are a bit off. Titanic sinks four hours after hitting iceberg, 866 rescued by Carpathia, probably 1,250 perish. Ismay safe. On both sides of the Atlantic, White Star's offices are being besieged by angry relatives. You lied to us, they shout at employees in New York. And in Southampton, where most of Titanic's crew are from, the atmosphere is even more febrile. For Southampton, it's just an outright tragedy.
Starting point is 00:37:49 The crew members died in huge numbers. And Southampton must have just been like a bomb had hit it. I mean, Southampton's not that big of a place in 1912. And in certain parts of the city, it must have just been on every block. Somebody died. On Wednesday morning, while Carpathia continues her steady progress towards Pier 54, the column inches are mounting in Manhattan. Titanic is now dominating the news agenda, so much so that the ship doesn't
Starting point is 00:38:27 even need to be mentioned by name. That morning's headline in the New York American is stark. No hope left. 1535 dead. It's followed by seven pages of copy, dedicated to the doomed ship. But amidst the profiles of famous travelers, dead or alive, questions are beginning to be raised. How was it that Titanic had only enough lifeboats for fewer than half of the people on board? The paper calls for an act of Congress to be passed, requiring ships to carry more boats. There was a huge outrage in America, of course, because most of America's wealthiest citizens had gone down with Titanic as well. People demanded answers.
Starting point is 00:39:20 And it's not just the journalists who are up in arms. 200 miles away in Washington, the debate has reached the floor of the Capitol building. The Titanic disaster comes just a month after the worst train crash in U.S. history. When a boiler exploded on a locomotive in San Antonio, Texas, killing around 40 passengers. The way that House Chaplain Henry Cowden sees it, the two disasters have one thing in common. On Tuesday afternoon, he leads the country's senior politicians in prayer. We most fervently pray that more stringent laws may be enacted and enforced, that those who travel by land or sea may be safeguarded from the selfishness and greed of the thoughtless. A day later, Senator William Alden Smith arrives armed with a resolution,
Starting point is 00:40:18 calling for an official investigation into the sinking of the Titanic. Smith is a white-haired political veteran from Michigan, a respected figure in the Senate who has long campaigned for greater safety standards on America's railroads. He requests that he be granted subpoena powers, allowing him to question anyone he deems necessary so that he can get to the bottom of what went wrong on Titanic's maiden voyage. His colleagues applaud the idea, and it's clear that some of them have already made their minds up as to the cause of the disaster. Senator James Martine from New Jersey puts it bluntly, had the race for speed and the desire for greed not controlled the action of the owners and officers of the Titanic, this disaster would doubtless have been averted.
Starting point is 00:41:13 Smith's motion is passed without objection. On Wednesday afternoon, the U.S. Navy intercepts a wireless transmission from Carpathia, addressed to the White Star offices in New York. It bears a rather dubious signature, YAMSI. That's Ismay backwards. Most desirable Titanic crew aboard Carpathia should be returned home earliest moment possible. Suggest you hold Cedric, sailing her daylight Friday, unless you see any reason contrary. Propose returning in her myself. Ismay tries to hold the white starliner, the Cedric,
Starting point is 00:42:07 in order to be able to immediately get the crew back to England. I think he's doing that to protect his business and because they are his staff. And he'll know that they won't have the money or means or want to stay around in New York. But the other thing is, of course, he would then lose his workforce to other lines because they would be freelance
Starting point is 00:42:28 and they'd be able to work on other ships. The problem was Bruce realized that a lot of the sailors and officers that weren't being paid, that the pay stopped as soon as Titanic slipped under the water. Jimmy has paid off a couple of quid. They don't give him any compensation. He's paid the end of his wages minus the last day
Starting point is 00:42:51 because, to be fair, when you're floating in the water, you didn't do your job. Not paid for the full voyage. That was the world. I think he's looking from a business perspective but also there could be an element that he may have known there was going to be an inquiry and there could be an element that he wants to make sure that people are in the uk and subject to uk law rather than in the us and subject to us law whatever ismae's intentions the optics aren't great.
Starting point is 00:43:26 To a cynical eye, it looks like he's trying to get witnesses out of the way before Senator Smith's inquiry gets started. I think they wouldn't have been thought of as very useful, but also you don't want them prattling away with New York press. You want them out of the way. And there was a lot of tension with America about their inquiry. On Thursday morning, with Carpathia due to dock later in the day, Smith arrives at the White House to see President Taft. Taft has just learned that his good friend, Archibald Butt, died on the Titanic.
Starting point is 00:44:03 At Smith's suggestion, the President orders a naval cruiser to escort Carpathia into New York. Once Carpathia was near in New York, there was an escort of ships sent out to make sure no one left the vessel until it reached the harbourside in New York. Meanwhile, Ismay, or rather Yamsey, is still badgering the White Star office in Manhattan. Very important you should hold Cedric, he writes on Thursday morning. And then, less than an hour later, strongly urge, detain Cedric. And finally, unless you have good and substantial reason for not holding Cedric, please arrange do so. Most undesirable crew remain New York so long.
Starting point is 00:44:53 Ismay's number two in New York, Philip Franklin, replies that he has arranged for a different ship, the Lapland, to take the crew home a few days later. He tells Ismay, we all consider most unwise delay Cedric, considering all circumstances. Franklin follows up with a request for further information on Titanic's sinking. A count of actual accident greatly needed for enlightenment, public, and ourselves, he tells the boss. This is most important. And Philip Franklin isn't the only one trying to get the full story of the sinking over wireless. Captain Rostron has ordered his Marconi operator, Cottam, to ignore requests from the New York papers.
Starting point is 00:45:44 He is to prioritize passengers' messages instead. But Cottam isn't alone in Carpathia's wireless room. Despite his frostbitten foot, Titanic's junior operator Harold Bride has been helping out with the mountain of passenger correspondence. And during his time at the Marconi set, Bride receives a tempting offer. Say, old man, Marconi Co. taking good care of you. Keep your mouth shut and hold your story. It is fixed so you will get big money. Wireless was such a fantastic new technology. And in fact, there had been previous use of wireless in disaster situations.
Starting point is 00:46:39 And the wireless operators there had become extremely famous. So it was well known that the wireless story from Titanic was a major one. Now, Marconi was an inventor, but he was also a businessman. And he knew that Bride had survived. And of course, lots of reporters would have been offering money for stories. And so they'd have wanted it to be placed with the right publication and for the right money. And that's how they not only controlled the news, but also really publicized the amazing savior that Marconi was. Because actually, if Titanic had not had radio, or actually if Carpathia had not had radio, it's possible and likely that nobody would have survived the sinking of the Titanic.
Starting point is 00:47:31 Thursday morning's newspapers are full of the survivors' imminent arrival. Carpathia Here Tonight reads the headline of the New York Times. It's followed by some stark calculations of the numbers of dead from first class Class, 2nd Class and steerage. 172, 189 and 453 respectively, plus 700 crew. The figures speak for themselves. And by now, Bruce Ismay's name has become front page news as well. Congress to demand from him an explanation of the awful disaster, reads one subhead. Given the number of lifeboats on board Titanic, and the increasingly accurate casualty figures,
Starting point is 00:48:31 the very fact of Ismay's survival is beginning to look problematic. At 9.30pm Carpathia finally docks in New York. Pier 54 is just a mile away from the White Star berth, where they were due to arrive the previous morning. The Titanic's survivors have made it onto dry land at last, one day late. Although dry is a relative term here, it's a windswept, rainy evening with occasional bursts of thunder and lightning. But despite the terrible weather, a huge crowd has gathered to see them disembark. Tens of thousands of curious New Yorkers, drawn like moths to a flame,
Starting point is 00:49:12 or rubberneckers, staring in fascination at the scene of an horrific accident. Many of the Titanic's survivors have friends or relatives waiting for them at the pier. Some business colleagues. Harold Bride is met by Mr. Marconi himself, and he's brought with him a reporter from the New York Times. Titanic's junior telegraphist is promised a four-figure sum for his story. More than eight times his annual salary. As Titanic survivors disembark, a distinguished visitor comes aboard Carpathia, Senator William Alden Smith.
Starting point is 00:49:56 He needs to speak to Bruce Ismay personally, to summon him to testify the following morning as the first witness at the Titanic inquiry. Before Bruce left the ship, Senator Smith boarded to subpoena Bruce to attend the investigation. So basically at that point, Bruce couldn't leave New York, couldn't leave American shores, and the same applied to what was remaining of the Syrian Air Officers. Smith clearly thinks Ismay could be a flight risk. Bruce would have liked to have got back to Britain. In fact, he did send a letter to
Starting point is 00:50:36 Senator Smith saying, will you allow me to return to England to see my family, my loved ones. And if you would like me to come back to America to attend the American inquiry, I shall do so voluntarily at your discretion. However, Senator Smith denied that request. So Bruce was basically grounded in America until he'd answered all the questions on the American inquiry. As Senator Smith's inquiry gets underway, the exchange of letters between him and Ismay will grow increasingly acrimonious.
Starting point is 00:51:16 I am not unmindful of the fact that you are being detained in this country against your will, Smith tells Ismay. But the horror of the Titanic catastrophe, and its importance to the people of the world, calls for scrupulous investigation. I am working day and night to achieve this result, and you should continue to help me, instead of annoying me and delaying my work by your personal importunities. As the head of the White Star Line for over a decade, and now president of the International Mercantile Marine as well,
Starting point is 00:51:51 Bruce Ismay isn't used to this kind of treatment. On Thursday evening, with Carpathia docked at Pier 54, Titanic survivors begin to disperse. Eva Hart and her mother are greeted by an aunt they've never met, who invites them to come and stay with her while they arrange travel back to England. The Women's Relief Committee provides them both with a complete change of clothes. Oh, they were wonderful to us. We had the most wonderful things given to us, yes.
Starting point is 00:52:31 They were very kind. Uncle Jimmy is sent straight to hospital to recover from the effects of exposure. The rich Catholic benefactors in New York said, We hear there are these stout yeoman, Catholic Irish yeoman in the pits of the ship who've gone through this terrible ordeal. We make sure that we'll be there on the dock. What happened, it's not often reported, is when they arrived finally,
Starting point is 00:52:57 there were these limousines of coaches waiting to meet the Catholic firemen. And they took the firemen, frostbitten, down to Greenwich Village. And so Jimmy convalesced in this hospital down in Greenwich Village. The Lebanese survivors, meanwhile, are taken in by the local Jewish sheltering house. Shanina and Ben-Nurah were evaluated at St. Vincent Hospital and then released maybe the same day or the next day. And they went to recuperate at the Hebrew Sheltering and Immigrant Aid Society in New York City. They helped a lot of the Lebanese survivors.
Starting point is 00:53:42 They were given food, clothing, and shelter, and even some money to purchase a train ticket. Journalist Ray Hananya. They were being taken care of at a Hebrew shelter, you know, which shows how close Jews and Arabs were back at that time. Back then, Arabs, you know, and Jews actually got along real well. You know, there were tensions in Palestine, but not in the United States. They had an identity together because at the time, Jews and Arabs were portrayed the same way in American society and in the media. The perception of them was they were one people. On Thursday evening, Titanic's first-class passengers retire to a variety of top hotels.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Molly Brown has a room booked at the Ritz-Carlton, though she remains on Carpathia an extra night to help other survivors make their own arrangements. The Duff-Gordons head straight to a suite at the Ritz. A large group of friends has gathered to celebrate their safe arrival. We were all very gay and drank champagne, Lucy Duff-Gordon will later recall. Among the group that evening is the editor of the Sunday American, who listens to her survival story with interest. The next day, the Duff-Gordons open their newspaper to find that they've been royally stitched up as a pair of upper-class fools with no concept of the suffering of their fellow passengers.
Starting point is 00:55:22 But that's nothing compared with the treatment Bruce Ismay will receive once the inquiry gets underway later that morning. In the next episode, Ismay takes the stand in New York. Titanic's crew members close ranks, dodging difficult questions from the US senators. And newspaper editors on both sides of the Atlantic continue the search for heroes and villains. That's next time. You can listen to the next two episodes of Titanic Ship of Dreams right now,
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