Today, Explained - Are boyfriends embarrassing?

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 So late last year, the internet asked an important question. Are boyfriends embarrassing now? And turns out, just about everybody had an opinion. If you have not read the British Vogue article is having a boyfriend embarrassing, you need to run, not walk. I think for me, it's that I don't want my identity or to tie myself to my relationship. The fact that this even had to be written is a clear wake-up call for men.
Starting point is 00:00:25 I will never get behind this narrative that women don't need men and men don't need women. Why would I allow anyone, let alone a man, lower the standard I worked so hard to earn? Like, people did this clap back. Uh, Vogue, is this embarrassing? And it's some mediocre guy. Coming up on Today Explained from Vox, an investigation into one of last year's biggest topics. Are straight people okay? Support for this show comes from Odu.
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Starting point is 00:02:23 This is Today Explained. Shantay Joseph writes about relationships, culture, lifestyle, friendships, and loneliness. And she wrote a piece in 2025 for Vogue that went viral, probably because it was titled, is having a boyfriend embarrassing now? The piece was essentially asking this question if having a boyfriend has kind of lost the social standing
Starting point is 00:02:46 it once provided women, and I was analyzing this through the lens of social media. I was looking at the way that women are very private about posting their romantic partners online. A lot of people were kind of sticking emojis over their boyfriend's heads. You know, we all kind of seen this, and I think it started to ramp up, and then it became
Starting point is 00:03:04 a little bit of a parody where people would just edit out their boyfriend's heads completely. But then I noticed that people would post their wedding videos, or they would post their engagement videos and engagement of photos. And in these very, I guess, private moments, they were
Starting point is 00:03:20 online, but they were editing in a way that you never knew what the husband looked like. And I was like, okay, this is feeling a big extreme. And fair enough, if you are you know, maybe a celebrity or a huge influencer, but people I knew with like 10 followers were doing that. And I was like, why are you doing this? And so I really wanted to, yeah, explore this strange trend.
Starting point is 00:03:40 And you're noticing something that has really become clear on the timeline. I remember like boyfriend reveals or things like that, but it's gone to outright hiding. So what did your piece find and kind of what did you even mean by the question of embarrassing? So I found basically three things. The first was, you know, people said they didn't want to do this simply for privacy reasons. That sounds more like it's external validation from social media.
Starting point is 00:04:06 There are people who truly value privacy. I'm one of those people because I'm in a town of this person. I mean, honestly, unless there's a ring involved, wait, no, scratch that. Unless you have literally walked down the aisle with someone, there's really no reason to be posting them on your social media. And then they would go on to say, well, if I posted my boyfriend and he cheated on me next week and I had to go back and delete the pictures, people would be like, well, where's so-and-so? and so and so, and I'd have to deal with the shame of that.
Starting point is 00:04:31 But then there were women who just outright, the idea of having a boyfriend, they felt was embarrassing inherently because it didn't align with, like, the brand, is why I got a lot. I think in this day and age, men are detrimental to a woman's brand. If you have a boyfriend and he sucks, he's terrible, he treats you poorly, you don't want to be telling people that because, like, what does that say about you, you know? A lot of people felt like if I post my boyfriend, On Instagram or on social media, I'm indicating something about me to the world that I don't want people to know.
Starting point is 00:05:05 In the piece, one of the comments that I quote is this idea of someone saying, I do recognize that having a boyfriend is kind of a Republican thing to do. I'm not Republican, but I recognize that it is. And now our relationships, well, particularly straight relationships, say more about us than they ever did before. Like, they almost have a political inclination in a way that I don't think straight people's identities have really been politicized in that way. Whereas before, if you posted your boyfriend online, it felt like a sense of achievement. But now it kind of feels like you are, are kind of like reverting to kind of old
Starting point is 00:05:38 archaic ways. And I think it's the way that the sort of like heterosexual romantic relationship has almost been co-opted a little bit by the right. It feels traditionally very sort of conservative. I feel like I'm aligning to this idea of the world that doesn't really feel natural to me. That's what's really got people. And I think this is also because of the rise in like the Tradwife movement and this whole idea of like, you know, I'm just with my man and I'm making, you know, butter and air from scratch and he's outworking. And it just represents that very kind of traditional cultural way of living that kind of gives people the ick a bit.
Starting point is 00:06:12 This idea that you now represent an ideology that isn't aligned to you because of your partner is definitely new. Yeah, I was going to ask specifically about how we should think about this alongside side rising trends like Tradd, Wife and others. You mentioned it. I mean, are these things that are happening at the same time? Are these just different communities? I think they are happening at the same time
Starting point is 00:06:35 because I think about the reaction to my piece, whether it's from the men who are just really angry that I could ever talk disparagingly about men or the women who are very proud of their relationships, feeling as if this was an attack on them. I think the way we talk about relationships online has changed so much. I was talking about the Risa Tiso, Who the But Did I Marry?
Starting point is 00:06:55 Part 37, who the fuck did I marry? Or the Danish deception. And I knew this man has the power to destroy me. And that was exhilarating but also terrifying at the same time. These women coming online making these 60-part TikTok videos detailing all of the horrible things that have happened to them. West End Caleb. I also have a story about West Elm Caleb.
Starting point is 00:07:17 So around Halloween we matched on Hinge. Right? I remember that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there is no sort of illusion around the fantasy anymore. And so I think that has gripped a lot of people. Yeah, I wanted to ask about the reaction. Why do you think it struck a nerve in such a way? And I want to specifically ask about, like, was there any pushback that you got that you felt
Starting point is 00:07:38 was legitimate? Yeah, yeah. I would say a lot of women initially responded to this piece thinking it was about me pitting women against other women. And this was idea of like, you're not standing in solidarity with other women, you know, this is also part of the problem. And I had to really stress to them, this isn't necessarily. about you guys. I'm not saying that you're doing something wrong or there's something wrong with you or your relationship is wrong, but I'm saying that there is a way that men have been allowed to behave and act in society for so long that has only gotten worse. And I did understand how it could initially read like that, feeling as if, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:11 people were being shamed, this idea that I, you know, hate love or I'm shaming people for finding love. I think that it's the opposite. I love. I think it's wonderful. And, you know, But then obviously there was a lot of kind of hateful abuse, a lot of racist abuse, men talking about like the way that they'd want to see me abused and die. And, you know, it was really awful. And I think I definitely struck a nerve, particularly with men, because I thoroughly believe that this emotional space, this sort of dating space, feels like the last place that they can really have true domination. When women are more educated than men, you know, we are working jobs, we're running our households, like the family, the work, these are spaces that men. predominantly had like huge amounts of power over and I think they are losing a lot of that and so I think it just it was this sort of like feeling like they're losing that made them really
Starting point is 00:09:02 scramble and also I think because I was black as well I got a lot of like racist abuse on top of this it kind of felt like I was ruining the the sort of like sanctity of these like straight white relationships like I was an adversary to them and so it was quite it was quite loaded when I went through a lot of the abuse and I could kind of see where these people were we're getting riled up from. You write in the piece that you did a call out on your Instagram and the responses from followers said that there was, quote, an overwhelming sense from single and partnered women
Starting point is 00:09:34 that regardless of the relationship, being with a man was almost a guilty thing to do. So are we talking here just about, like, shame of heterosexuality partnerships? Like, it seems like straightness is at the core of this. Oh, yeah, 100%. And I think this is what really, like, upset people as of because we don't talk about heterosexuality in this way. We're very much, we exceed it as a norm.
Starting point is 00:09:53 This is just the way to be in society. And so we should never really question what's going on here. But actually, I was like, no, it's deeper than that. So one of the inspirations behind this piece was a book by Professor Jane Ward. Her book was called The Tragedy of Heterosexuality. And in the book, she has a chapter that is dedicated to the things that queer people say behind their straight friends' backs. And it was absolutely fascinating to get into the perception of straightness, straight people and straight culture. And I think the idea of embarrassment definitely came from reading that
Starting point is 00:10:25 and really realizing the ways that, yeah, straight culture is very embarrassing. I can tell you what I thought when I read the piece. I thought, well, one, are you embarrassing? It's a question you have to ask yourself, you know? Like, as a boyfriend, like, you know, are you one that can be proud of, right? As a question, I feel like it inspires. But there's also something that I think I want to bring up in this combo, you know, because it does sometimes feel as if in when we talk about dating on the internet, like, it's all, you know, like, I don't want to defend the boys, but I'm saying like it does sometimes feel like, you know, in straight relationships, we talk about women as perfect daters and perfect friends, and it's only a question of like male lack. And it's probably is. But, you know, is it always. And so I feel like that's probably. another tone that I think comes up.
Starting point is 00:11:20 But it's funny because I read it, you know, when I asked my girlfriend about it, she said just pretty, I was like, well, do you think it's true? She's like, well, yeah, moment. And so it was so assumed that I think that actually that could also be part of the reaction too is because for boys, you didn't realize
Starting point is 00:11:34 just how embarrassing we've been. But it's interesting because I've even had, like, whenever people kind of responded to me, but in a kind of way, I would always take the time. And I had, like, young boys that message me being like, you know, I've read this piece and I'm like really worried and I'd have to be like to them. Look, like you're so young. Like you're still forming your identity, your values, who you are.
Starting point is 00:11:56 Like you don't need to worry about kind of being embarrassing right in this moment because you're still coming to terms of who you are. But I would always say to them, you know, please be aware of the media that you're consuming, the people that you're learning from the people who are telling you how to behave in relationships and really evaluate if they are giving you advice that is going to help you be kind of better, know yourself better, be a better partner. Or is it, like, tricks and games and tactics? Like, just be aware of your media and the things that you've been taught to believe about women.
Starting point is 00:12:25 Because this stuff starts really, really young. But, yeah, it is, I do see the ways in which men might feel like this just was, like, another thing against us. You know, you know, it's all good. I wanted to ask, what do you think we've learned about straight relationships from this episode? Yeah, I think all I've learned is that there's this sort of, from both sides, I think people are still trying to clamor onto the privilege that being in a relationship, particularly a straight relationship, gives them. And I think for some people, their anger to this piece was about them realizing that I might lose this privilege. And they might not have many other privileges. And so losing this feels like a big deal.
Starting point is 00:13:05 And then also, I think the biggest reaction from this piece came from like single women who were like, oh my God, for the first time, I don't feel a sense of shame for my idea. identity. And this was women in their 40s, but also teenagers. Teenagers messaging me being like, I've never had a boyfriend and I felt really ashamed about that and I felt bad about myself and I thought there was something wrong with me or that I was ugly. And I was like, God, you are so young and you have already internalized all of these messages because you've been told your whole life to be in a relationship is the most important thing. And everything outside of that doesn't render me as an individual or like fascinating person. Like I'm glad they felt better, but also I felt so upset that that conditioning runs so deep.
Starting point is 00:13:47 Do you feel like you have come through this thinking like boyfriends are more or less embarrassing? Do you know what? I think I've come away thinking that they're more embarrassing. I can't lie. Because the men are being embarrassing and the women with boyfriends upset about this piece are even more embarrassing. So I'm like, damn, I might have to double down.
Starting point is 00:14:11 That's Shantay Joseph. Coming up, are straight people even okay? We're going to ask Professor Jane Ward. Support for the show comes from growth therapy. Everyone thinks they're therapists, especially in the new year. When you might be getting advice from every corner of your life, your feed, your group chat, even your barista. But here's the thing.
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Starting point is 00:16:20 That's why over thousands of businesses have made the switch. So why not you? Try O-D-O-F-Free at O-D-O-D-O-O-com. You're listening to Today Explained. My name is Jane Ward. I'm a professor of feminist studies at UC Santa Barbara, but I'm mostly work and teach in queer studies. And Jane, you wrote a book that our last guest, Shantay Joseph,
Starting point is 00:16:54 said was a bit of an inspiration for her viral article. The book was called The Tragedy of Heterosexuality. I guess I'll start with the obvious question then. What's so tragic about it? So, you know, the book has clearly a provocative and playful title. But what got me thinking about this book is that queer people, at least in my orbit, had been having these conversations for decades about are straight people okay? Straight people are so weird.
Starting point is 00:17:28 They're like cooking as a woman's job. Unless you're grilling, then it's a man's job. I just found out that straight dudes are calling the thing that you've grind up weed with, a grinder, a crusher, because grinder has gay connotations. What? Are straight people okay? Get a grip. That even became a meme, but long before, it was just a conversation we were having in
Starting point is 00:17:48 our kitchens and at the gay bar. And really, what's meant by this is that straight people often seem kind of miserable. They complain about each other a lot. Straight women in particular spend a lot of time expressing that they wish that they were lesbians, um, that it's sort of tragic to be heterosexual. I was talking to my friend today and she was telling me, the moment that you get over, you're disgust for men, that's when they become actually quite bearable. Whatever the... What? Is that normal to say? Is that normal to think?
Starting point is 00:18:21 I wish I was gay. I wish I could be gay. Do it. You can. You can. Get out there. Go eat some in fact. The title comes actually from a line on parks and recreation where, you know, two of the main characters are taken as a lesbian couple, and they say, no, tragically, we're both heterosexual. Let me just get some details for your file. Now, are you two a couple? No, tragically, we were both heterosexual. So it was already out there, you know, in the cultural environment with people recognizing this. But I think the part that wasn't maybe so transparent to a lot of people, especially not straight people, was that queer people also really love being queer
Starting point is 00:19:07 and love our lives and often feel a lot of gratitude and relief that we're not straight. Are you finding that heterosexuality is in trouble, that it is at some crossroads? The book kind of centers on an argument that I make about the misogyny contradiction, which is that modern heterosexual identity, starting in the early 20th century,
Starting point is 00:19:34 starts to require something new of married men and women, which is that they're supposed to kind of like each other. And that wasn't actually important to marriage for centuries, you know? And men in particular are supposed to kind of care about women, care about what their women partners, how they feel, their general well-being. There's supposed to be some degree of mutual respect, and this is called companionate marriage. And it comes to define how we think about being straight. And yet, at the same time that people are confronted with this new norm, which is that you're supposed to actually like and love your spouse, these same people are still raised in a misogynistic culture, one that normalizes boys and men, hatred of girls and women.
Starting point is 00:20:25 I'm just too emotionally available for one. I'm too consistent and I'm loyal and I make money. Those are just some of the things that I think women have a problem with. They don't know how to how to deal with that. Date a sleepy girl, you won't have to worry about them cheating. All they do is eat, sleep, nap, and yap. Your life will get easier when you start seeing women as children. They're going to cry, they're going to whine for attention.
Starting point is 00:20:49 They're going to not know what's going on. They have no self-awareness. And when you understand this, you can handle them better. undone the centuries of patriarchy and misogyny that are pretty foundational to the human experience. And so the book kind of opens with this historical development and then looks at what I call the heterosexual repair industry, which is all of these ways that mainstream culture tries to resolve this problem through self-help, you know, all these online cultures, and mostly fails. You know, I think this is an important point. You know, you're making clear how
Starting point is 00:21:24 And on one hand, the idea of partners as companions, particularly heterosexual relationships as companions of mutual interest, is a fairly new idea. But it's at odds with the culture that is often producing men who seem incapable of creating those relationships. Exactly. It's the norm. And it's the, maybe it would be more accurate to say it's the aspiration. And yet we're not actually producing those relationships. And so it's very disappointing for both women and men. Do you think the discourse around heterosexuality is changing? Like, how should we qualify how we think about straight relationships now, even versus, you know, five, ten years ago? Oh, absolutely. I think it's changing.
Starting point is 00:22:06 I mean, even subjecting heterosexuality to analysis is a big change. Certainly to have such widespread attention be paid to what's troubling about a heterosexuality or to the way that heterosexuality is failing people is a huge transnational. In fact, I've actually been really kind of surprised by how quickly these sorts of conversations about heteropessimism, a tragedy of heterosexuality, really penetrated the culture. And I think that's thanks to social media in many ways. And I think there's still tremendous hunger for conversations about, you know, what are we going to do with heterosexuality because it isn't working? Can you define heteropessimism for us? So heteropessimism is not my concept. Asa Saracen coined that term in an essay in 2019,
Starting point is 00:23:02 and it's such a useful term. And basically, what they were getting at was the way that many straight people performatively express their embarrassment, their dissatisfaction, their resignation about heterosexuality. The things I would give, to not have to date men. They pretty much do this thing
Starting point is 00:23:27 where they're fully into you and then they pull back and then also none of them can communicate for shit let alone even say I'm sorry. And what Saracen says is it's performative not in that it's like fake.
Starting point is 00:23:42 It's performative in that that's all it does. It's just an expression. These are not people who are actually going to stop being straight because of it. And so it's very popular on social media, for instance, for, you know, young people to talk about, like, oh, God,
Starting point is 00:23:57 I wish I wasn't, you know, I wish I wasn't straight. This really is, you know, kind of out there in the atmosphere, and it's such a useful concept that I think is part of what people are thinking about on TikTok that then is like a building block for Shantay's article. You know, and it reminds me of some conversation that happens in kind of my political reporting world about the growing gap, particularly among Mexico. and women in younger generations. There's a lot of data that tells us that, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:27 women have gone to the left as men have gone to the right. We've seen this kind of explored in social media with trad-wifie phenomenons versus a podcast, bro, red-pilling. You know, I wanted to put that in front of you. Like, how much do we think this is a broader change in culture that's reflected in relationships versus how much is this being, you know, driven by the individuals? I think these are broad trends, and it makes sense that we see people,
Starting point is 00:24:52 doing things that seem quite different on the political spectrum from women saying having a boyfriend or a husband is embarrassing to women who want to be tradwives. I mean, I think, you know, not to get like too theoretical, but... Hit us with it. Okay. So, you know, the Italian philosopher Antonio Gramsci
Starting point is 00:25:14 wrote about this very kind of cultural instability that when there's a long-standing norm, like patriarchal marriage, and it starts to crumble in some way. People catch on to the fact that it isn't really working, but we don't have a good alternative yet. We haven't, as a society, invented the next new thing. This produces kind of like a collective identity crisis, you know, a lot of uncertainty.
Starting point is 00:25:42 And so a lot of people, where they go with that is they double down on tradition. They're not really ready to make that next. I think it's sort of an evolutionary step, but for some people, they see it as, you know, everything's ruined, and so they have a lot of anxiety about that. So I do think it makes sense we see all of these strategies right now. All of them happening at once. Yes.
Starting point is 00:26:03 You know, I wanted to ask about, like, fixes, solutions. Like, some of this, you know, in the heteropessimism of all, can feel just like a growing divide that shows no signs of getting closer. Is that how you see it? Like, are there any answers to this gap beyond, you know, don't be straight? Oh, absolutely. I mean, there are straight people and they're not going away. So that's not the answer.
Starting point is 00:26:33 And I think people sometimes want to make it more complicated than it is. I mean, to my mind, the answer is feminism. And specifically, the answer is that we need men to embrace feminism as their own project. And I don't think, you know, very few men have done that. We see even fewer men identifying as feminist than, you know, in older generations. And so, you know, where I go with this in the tragedy of heterosexuality is to say, look, you know, there's something kind of suspicious, sort of half-baked about heterosexual masculinity right now. Because on the one hand, straight men say that they're really into women, but their actions suggest that they don't actually like women.
Starting point is 00:27:23 And so I think feminism is a way for straight men to demonstrate that they actually like women so much. They're so heterosexual that they actually like women, you know? They want to listen to women talk. They care about women's ideas. They want to follow women's leadership. They'll be friends with women. Yes, they're friends with women. They watch movies about women.
Starting point is 00:27:46 They read books written by women. I mean, it's just kind of amazing how narrowly we have defined heterosexual masculinity. And it's so different from the way lesbians think about our sexuality. It's like, you know, for me, the fact that I'm attracted to women is inseparable from wanting what's best for girls and women as a whole. You know, nothing about that is specific to being a lesbian. And straight men could do that too. but they have to want to. And I think they have to kind of hit rock bottom.
Starting point is 00:28:18 And maybe they are. Thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it. Absolutely. Thank you. Jane Ward's book is The Tragedy of Heterosexuality. Today's show was produced by Avashai Artsy and edited by Amina El-Sadi.
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