Today, Explained - Burn, baby, burn

Episode Date: September 20, 2019

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Students across the world today are walking out of school to protest for action on the climate. It's in conjunction with the big UN climate summit. Maybe you heard about the 16-year-old climate activist Greta, who took a boat across the Atlantic for the occasion. Everyone's focusing on the big, but I'm sort of caught up on the small and I'm catching up today explained in the small. I asked producer reporter Noam Hassenfeld to help me on this quest because I heard that there was a chance that my recycling was being burned. Yeah, Sean, you sent me this article in The Guardian from a couple months ago, and it was about how Philadelphia was having problems with its recycling system and was sending its recyclables to an incinerator outside the city.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Yeah, and I think it was kind of like shocking, right? Because it flies in the face of like the things that we were taught as children. What happens to your recycling? Yeah, I sort of couldn't believe that it was happening. And so I had to go check it out for myself. I wanted to go to a local incinerator operated by the same company. And so I went to an incinerator in Alexandria, Virginia, right outside of D.C. This is a view inside the combustion chamber.
Starting point is 00:01:13 So this is where we're burning waste at about 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. It's a good view in there. Oh, shit. Yeah. Bend down if you can and look directly up. Oh, my God. That's scary. Yeah, it's just crazy to see this like huge,
Starting point is 00:01:33 I mean, that's a bigger fire than I've ever seen in my life, I think. The US is in a recycling crisis. Say goodbye to recycling. If you live in the city of Deltona with lower demand for recyclable products and rising costs of recycling, the city decided to suspend its recycling program. The city of Jackson is suspending its curbside recycling program until further notice. In Sierra Vista, concerns over contamination and cost
Starting point is 00:02:05 forced city leaders to do away with curbside service. A slow-moving recycling crisis. This comes after China stopped accepting the bulk of American recycling last year. So now we're sending this stuff to Southeast Asia. So we were doing that for a while. What's happened is because there's so much plastic that we're talking about,
Starting point is 00:02:24 a lot of the Southeast Asian countries have now been overwhelmed, and they have also put in their own plastic bans. So there's all these tons of plastics basically floating around with no clear home. The story of this recycling crisis starts at the beginning of 2018. That was when China essentially stopped accepting the world's crap. The ban was disruptive. About half of the plastic that we were recycling was getting exported to China. Jenna Jambeck. She's a National Geographic fellow and a professor at the University of Georgia.
Starting point is 00:02:57 There were a few reasons why this came to be. Reason number one. Basically, in the mid-1990s, recycling was changing in the U.S., and we went to this single stream system. We could just put all of our recyclables into one bin, and then we designed facilities to separate those materials out. Those facilities didn't always do the best job. And so they needed sort of this secondary sort. Which China was down to do, in large part because of reason number two. The WTO was really encouraging global trade.
Starting point is 00:03:30 China shipped goods to the U.S. Those ships had to make a return trip. And they could go back with this recycled plastic that then could be imported into China. But the profit margins on recycled plastic are tiny. And eventually China said all the extra pollution wasn't worth it to them. Which basically gets us here. A slow-moving recycling crisis. But it's worse than it seems. The U.S. was in a recycling crisis well before China's ban.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Even when we were exporting it, our average recycling rate for plastic has been around 9%. So, you know, that means over 90% of our plastic was not getting recycled anyway. To be clear, that means for the majority of plastic in America, about 79% was getting landfilled. It wasn't that long ago that plastic seemed like a miracle. I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. Yes, sir. Are you listening?
Starting point is 00:04:35 Yes, I am. Plastics. Well, I just want to say one word to you. Complicated. We all learned that plastic needs to be separated from trash, sure. And it helps if your city separates plastic from glass and metals. But beyond that, plastic needs to be sorted from other plastic. You know those numbers on the bottom next to the recycling logo?
Starting point is 00:04:58 Those are actually different types of plastic, all made from different materials, all of which have to be separated. Ones and twos are more recyclable. Those are things like your beverage bottles, your detergent bottles. Milk jugs, peanut butter jars. Then from there, numbers three through sevens are things like polypropylene. Like the container my takeout came in on Thursday. And things like PVC, you know, when you think of like water pipes and things like that. And they all have different properties in terms of processing, so you can't mix them together. And when you get to some of these higher numbers, more plastic starts ending up in landfills.
Starting point is 00:05:37 There's many places that really just even wouldn't accept them in the first place. Because again, you don't have enough value in capturing those. And then what we are putting into the recycled bin, if it's contaminated, then that doesn't get recycled itself. And so that percentage that is able to even be recycled just gets smaller and smaller. But great news. Even this is way worse than it seems. The U.S. only recycles 9% of its plastic. Seems bad, but that's only plastic we recycle once. And most plastic can only be recycled once or twice. You know, really,
Starting point is 00:06:15 recycling just delays. It doesn't ever really prevent disposal at whatever point, and that would be in a landfill or incinerator. And so it really simply only delays that eventual disposal that's needed. So only some plastic can be recycled, and during the process, more and more gets disqualified. And that only delays the inevitable, which is plastic going to an incinerator, a landfill, or even worse, the ocean. And all of that is happening while plastic production is skyrocketing. There's a great future in plastics. That has been rapidly increasing since we started recording this in 1950.
Starting point is 00:06:52 And annually now, it's over 330 million tons. We also calculated the cumulative amount of plastic that we had produced, and that was equal to 8.3 billion metric tons. It's very hard to imagine. And even when we turned it into something like it's actually equal to 80 million blue whales, it's still very hard to imagine. But here's a twist. Contrary to everything you've been taught, throwing your recycling in the trash might actually be better for the planet.
Starting point is 00:07:33 A question that was always on our minds was, what would be the optimal recycling rate? Thomas Kinnaman, Economics, Bucknell University. We were hearing that a complete circular economy with 100% recycling was a goal, and that sounded great, but we were concerned about the environmental costs of recycling combined with the economic costs. If you care about recycling, you probably throw your plastic in a bin, and you feel like, great, I did my part. But your plastic goes on a journey.
Starting point is 00:08:02 It has to be transformed. And all that effort makes your good deed complicated. At each stop in the recycling journey, there are both economic and environmental costs. So that recycling bin is put out on a Monday morning with all of your other recycled materials and probably
Starting point is 00:08:24 a different truck than the garbage truck will come down and collect other recycled materials, and probably a different truck than the garbage truck will come down and collect those recycled materials. The truck dumps it at some processing facility where all the plastic is separated. Ideally, this is all ideal because a lot of the plastic ends up in the landfill at this stage because they open up the recycling truck and there's plastic wrap in there and you know vegetable containers and different types of plastic that buyers don't want in their plastic and so the buyer comes and looks at and says i won't take that and ends up going to the landfill um but if it is being truly recycled then it will be put in a container with other exact materials
Starting point is 00:09:02 like it and that container will then be trucked somewhere else, probably far from your home. So that's a long truck drive, probably shredded into little bits, which required energy. Those little plastic bits then could be used in some type of new product. Think about every individual cost in that journey. The cost of the trucks, the equipment, the labor, the gasoline necessary to go
Starting point is 00:09:26 around and collect the recycled materials. The materials are then processed. This requires energy as well as additional labor. All of that energy and all of that labor has a significant environmental cost. In the end, adding it all up, plastic is one of those materials where the benefits are outweighed by the costs. My results suggest maybe we shouldn't even be considering recycling for plastic, given that the social costs seem to be higher than if we were to do other things with it. You're basically saying that recycling can be bad for the environment, not just like neutral or forgettable, but actually bad. It can be.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Landfills tend to be closer to a municipality than a final recycling outlet is. Or you take it to the coast and have it shipped to a developing country, which still does ocean dumping. You know, which bottle is more likely to end up in the ocean? The one that you sent to your Missouri landfill or the one that's being shipped to a developing country that still dumps in the ocean. So in some cases, recycling could actually be bad for the planet. Absolutely. And why do you think these sort of second layer questions about, you know, whether recycling can actually be good or bad are not necessarily being asked by most people? I think it became more of a social question than an economic question.
Starting point is 00:10:39 The idea was that we produce too much garbage. It's not sustainable. Recycling is a way of kind of entering into a more circular economy. And therefore, it just makes sense to do this. And I think recycling maybe at some point was considered to be sort of like a gateway activity, gateway into the world of responsible environmental living that we can get people starting to recycle.
Starting point is 00:10:59 This will trigger other questions. How else can I help the environment? Maybe I'll stop driving everywhere and get my bike working and use that more often or I'll walk. And I'm not sure that's taken off like that. Instead of a gateway, maybe it's been used as an excuse. Like, hey, I recycle. Now I don't need to do anything else. So I can continue to drive my SUV to work and keep my house nice and cold in the summer because I recycle my plastic. I'm okay. I'm doing something. Once I'm putting you in a situation
Starting point is 00:11:25 where you're standing in front of a trash can and a recycling bin, and you're holding that one water bottle. For you, the cost is exactly the same. You know, you can put it in either bin. Right. Which would you decide to put it in yourself? Well, you know, I'm a creature of habit
Starting point is 00:11:39 like so many of us. So I still find myself putting it in the plastic bin. It's possible that we want to keep this supply chain going just in case there is technological innovation that occurs soon. We're all hoping for that, right? But to be clear, for right now, it's better to throw that bottle away? With plastic, yeah, it's better to landfill or incineration. All right, this is Sean. I'm back. I started off this whole thing saying incineration is shocking. That absolutely cannot be the thing we should do, right?
Starting point is 00:12:15 But what if it is? Noam stares down the fire after the break on Today Explained. Do you guys listen to Love It or Leave It? It's a podcast hosted by John Lovett, presidential speechwriter, comedy writer, co-host of Pod Save America. Each week, he's joined by comedians, journalists, elected officials, activists, actors, musicians, and they break down the latest news. They quiz the audience. They have fun games and try to understand the frustrations and absurdities of our politics. New episodes drop every Saturday morning, and the episode that drops this Saturday morning, tomorrow, will feature me. I was on the
Starting point is 00:13:18 show this week. I talked to John and his panel about this development you may have heard about in Canada this week. Something about the prime minister dressing up in brownface. As a Canadian who has a brownface, I had some feelings about it. Check it out. Also, fun fact, Love It or Leave It, one of the catchiest theme songs in podcasting. I hope you like what you hear. It's playing wherever your podcasts are playing. Before we get to incineration, let's just set the stage.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Our recycling system is broken. The vast majority of America's plastic is not getting recycled. It's mainly ending up in landfills, or worse, the ocean. So what do we do? Well, to figure it out, I hopped on a bus and headed down to the Covanta Incinerator in Alexandria. It's one of about 100 waste-to-energy plants in the U.S., and like the name says, it's designed to do two basic things. Get rid of waste and generate energy. All right, it can be a little dusty out there, and, you know, we have a few thousand tons of trash,
Starting point is 00:14:33 so there will be an odor, too. Kevin McGonigal, environmental compliance specialist. He also gives the tours. Yeah, there's an odor. To be honest, though, it's not that bad. Like, it's certainly not as bad as where I used to live in New York. So yeah, the crane operator is operating the crane or claw using a series of joysticks. We're in a giant warehouse. There's a guy on a perch operating a jumbo version of that arcade claw game, picking up mountains of crap instead of teddy bears. There's a huge wall of mixed waste on either side of us. Plastic, cardboard, furniture, banana peels, you name it. And right in front of
Starting point is 00:15:15 us, there's maybe a 30, 40 foot drop down to where the trucks are dumping waste. In the waste to energy process, this is the beginning. Step one, sorting. Waste comes in, it's dumped onto the tipping floor before being pushed into the refuse storage pit. So Kevin, I just saw the claw lift up and then sort of drop a chunk down. Was that the mixing process? Yeah, we call it fluffing the waste. It's preventing you from just having all of one kind of material, all cardboard, all paper.
Starting point is 00:15:45 You know, we know some waste has more heating value, like plastics. Wet cardboard is going to have less heating value. That's why they're mixing it before feeding it. They need to get it just right. There's this sea of waste out here, but they're always burning one-third plastic, two-thirds non-plastic. And on the upper ledge with us is a series of hoppers, which are basically these huge buckets with slanted ramps for the waste to slide down on its way to the combustion chamber.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Once the claw picks up a good mix. It's gonna be dropped into that hopper. We're gonna be gravity fed. This waste will be reduced to ash in about one hour to two hours. All the trash in the hopper gets burnt up? Yeah, it's going directly into the municipal waste combustor.
Starting point is 00:16:29 Can we see some fire? Absolutely. Step two, combustion. This is a view inside the combustion chamber. So this is where we're burning waste at about 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The way we're generating electricity is we have water wall tubes lining the inside of the boiler
Starting point is 00:16:47 for heating up water to convert steam. Steam goes to a generator and turns the blades to generate electrical energy. It's a good view in there. Holy shit. By the time the waste gets to this wall, it's reduced to ash. At this point, we've taken a pile of mixed waste,
Starting point is 00:17:06 burned it, and what's left over is ash and chunks of unburnt metal, which brings us to step three, metal recovery. Basically, ash passes off the end of this vibrating pan and falls into one truck. The metal is picked up and dropped into a separate box, which is eventually sent to a scrap metal yard. So you should see some recovery here.
Starting point is 00:17:27 I'm sure you'll see some spoons and knives and stuff like that. So this is just like an enormous rotating magnet. Yes. There's a bicycle just went by. A shopping cart. It's hard to picture just how crazy this all looks. There are big chunks of metal like mattress springs, bed frames, silverware, all just going zhoop and sticking to this huge rotating magnet.
Starting point is 00:17:56 We get about 30 tons a day of that material, 11,000 tons per year. That's 11,000 tons of metal that's being recycled every year instead of heading to a landfill. The air pollution control, I'll walk you through it. We'll just go outside. Step four, pollution control. See that ductwork there? That's where all the flue gases come. So you burn trash, you've got gases that come off of that. That's where that ductwork is. Basically, you're injecting a lime slurry.
Starting point is 00:18:22 A lime slurry is basically a chemical mist that reacts with the flue gas to reduce acid gas emissions. Then it goes to a baghouse. Kevin walks over to the baghouse, which handles the bigger pieces of flying ash. There are six compartments where gases are going through. It's designed that way so they go through a cleaning cycle one at a time. It just blasts air, knocks the ash down into a hopper here,
Starting point is 00:18:46 and drops it back into the boiler. So it's kind of a closed-loop system. You've got combined ash sent into a truck, which is eventually, at this site, it's sent to a monofill or ash landfill. That ash goes to a landfill, but that's only about 10% of the size of the original waste. Finally, we get to step five, energy creation. So the steam enters the turbine, which generates electricity, goes to a switch yard owned by Dominion Virginia Power,
Starting point is 00:19:14 who will sell that to the end user. Okay, that's how they work. So should we be burning all our plastic? It's not ideal. The ideal situation is to reduce waste. Marco Castaldi, Chemical Engineering, City College of New York. The ideal situation after that is to reuse it, and then whatever cannot be reduced or reused or recycled, you have to extract the energy from it,
Starting point is 00:19:43 and converting it with waste to energy has a lower environmental impact than landfilling. There's something called the waste hierarchy. The waste hierarchy starts with reduce, reuse, recycle. And that's all most of us got in school, just the first three words of the waste hierarchy. And that's best to worst. Reduce, then reuse, then recycle. But guess what's next? Plastics. No, go away. It's incineration. Then all the way at the bottom, the worst thing we can do with our waste is drop it in a landfill.
Starting point is 00:20:17 When you put material into a landfill, you're releasing methane. Which is 86 times stronger than CO2 over a 20-year time frame, which means... For every one ton that you convert in a waste-to-energy facility, you have offset nominally one ton of CO2. So greenhouse gas emissions, definitely a benefit with waste-to-energy. Still, there's obviously the whole burning waste thing. Anytime you're dealing with this garbage, there's going to be emissions in one form or the other, whether it's air emissions or solid emissions.
Starting point is 00:20:51 But the amount of dioxin that's released from waste-to-energy facilities is minuscule. You will get more exposure to dioxins looking at a firework display for 15 or 20 minutes, then you will be exposed to dioxins of a waste-to-energy facility processing waste for 100 years. And there have been studies that examined the effects of living near these plants. In fact, one that's just come out where there was a seven-year study on facilities in the UK that looked at infant mortality, you know, birth outcomes in terms of, you know, abnormalities, and it showed that there was none. Even so, incineration is really controversial. Most of the incinerators in the U.S. today are located in communities of color and low-income communities that are often referred to as environmental justice communities. And they contribute pollution to local communities that are already overburdened by other pollution sources.
Starting point is 00:21:50 Ana Baptista runs the environmental policy program at the New School in New York. It's very difficult, if not impossible, to trace public health outcomes to any one particular facility. What I am confident about is incinerators are definitely contributing to the overall pollution burden in a community. Environmental justice communities, if you ask them what their target is, they would say that they don't prefer landfills or incinerators. Professor Baptista wants the world we were promised. Ideas like... Zero waste solutions that divert a lot more of the waste stream to composting and to recycling, and in some cases, looking at opportunities to reduce the overall burden load on waste systems. I should point out that this particular debate is very American.
Starting point is 00:22:48 In Europe, it's a whole different ballgame. First of all, they're just way better at recycling. They're also way more into incinerating. There's about 500 incinerators in Europe. America's got under 100. In Greater Paris, garbage that can't be recycled is converted into energy, some of which the plants use to run themselves.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Sweden burns half its waste and even imports some from the UK just to burn it. Sweden is considered the world leader in the field of waste to energy. In Vienna, the incinerator is featured on postcards. I think it's a pretty remarkable step that the city of Vienna did this. But the most original plant is probably in Copenhagen. Downhill, downtown.
Starting point is 00:23:37 This is the city center power station the neighbors don't object to. The Danish plant has an actual ski slope on its roof. Seriously. Our ski slope here at Copenhagen is a lot different than when you visit a mountain. Oh, that was so good.
Starting point is 00:23:55 There's a lot of reasons why the U.S. and Europe are so different when it comes to waste. Europe needs the energy from incineration more than the U.S. does because it's not as rich
Starting point is 00:24:04 in fossil fuels. And they have much, much less cheap land for landfilling. Most European countries even have landfill bans. But most noticeably, incinerators are right there in the middle of some of the ritziest neighborhoods. The most well-known, like the one in Vienna, the Copenhagen, the one in Amsterdam, in Paris, it's not necessarily areas where you have poverty. I mean, most plants in Europe, I would not say that they are kind of hidden somewhere.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Janik Vak, Zero Waste Europe, Brussels. Not a fan of incinerators, but not because of the pollution. I don't think the air pollution is the main issue nowadays. It's mainly the lock-in effect. The fact that these are plants that have to be there in order to pay back at least 25, 30, 40 years. And that locks the waste management system into burning. Even though countries in Europe are some of the best recyclers on Earth, Janek wants even more government investment in recycling.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Like Professor Ana Baptista at the New School, he wants the world we were promised reduce, reuse, maybe even recycle. In Europe, it doesn't feel nearly as out of reach. Back in the United States, things are a little more dire. China doesn't want our plastic. We're using more and more of it every day. Only 9% of it is getting recycled. And then people are scared of incineration. But maybe that's because people don't understand just how bad waste really is. And who can blame them? Europe is burning things out in the open. We're mostly doing it in poor neighborhoods and
Starting point is 00:25:41 communities of color. Europe talks about landfill bans. The U.S. talks about plastic straw bans. And that is not putting much of a dent in those 80 million blue whales worth of plastic. Incineration can and should be part of the solution, but we can't just go burning all of our plastic. Plants can't handle it, which is why Covanta stopped burning recyclables outside of Philly and has rejected similar offers from other cities too. What's left is a choice with no easy answer. Either we stop making so much plastic, or somehow we innovate our way out of the problem.
Starting point is 00:26:15 In a sense, China forcing our hand here might have been a good thing. It might force us to confront the ugly realities of incineration, or the even uglier realities of landfills, or the ugliest reality of floating plastic islands the size of Texas. Whatever the less-than-ideal scenario is, we're living it right now. And most of us don't even know it. Noam Hassenfeld, reporter, producer, Today Explained. I'm Sean Ramos-Firm. Irene Noguchi is our executive producer over here.
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