Today, Explained - Iran and the Axis of Resistance

Episode Date: January 31, 2024

Iran-backed militias use drones, missiles, and even TikTok dances to antagonize the United States and Israel. The International Crisis Group’s Ali Vaez explains how the war in Gaza has energized the... self-described Axis of Resistance. This episode was produced by Haleema Shah and Amanda Lewellyn, edited by Matt Collette, fact-checked by Laura Bullard and Kim Eggleston, engineered by David Herman, and hosted by Noel King. Transcript at vox.com/todayexplained Support Today, Explained by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Since the start of the war between Israel and Hamas, we've been hearing a lot about Iran-backed militias. One of those groups killed three U.S. service members in Jordan earlier this week. We will respond. We will respond strongly. We will respond at a time and place of our choosing. Iran actually responded today, saying it's not looking for a war. Other Iran-backed militias include Hamas. One of the largest financial backers and supporters of Hamas is Iran. Hezbollah. Of course, we know that Hezbollah and Iran have deep, deep ties. Iran is Hezbollah's sponsor.
Starting point is 00:00:37 And the Houthis. They received substantial funding and weaponry from Iran. To Iran, these groups are not us-backed militias. There's something quite different. Coming up on Today Explained, the axis of resistance. Bet MGM, authorized gaming partner of the NBA, has your back all season long. From tip-off to the final buzzer, you're always taken care of with a sportsbook born in Vegas. That's a feeling you can only get with BetMGM. And no matter your team, your favorite player, or your style,
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Starting point is 00:01:43 If you have any questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. It's Today Explained. I'm Noelle King. Ali Vaez is Iran Project Director for the International Crisis Group. Crisis Group is a conflict prevention organization, which basically operates based on the logic of talking to all sides involved in a conflict, trying to then draw a big picture of what that conflict is about and trying to come up with solutions that we then advocate with the parties and at the international level to try to mitigate or resolve conflict. We called Ali because this week another Iran-backed militia group made news. Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a drone attack
Starting point is 00:02:42 on an American base in Jordan near the Syrian border. They are the first American military fatalities in the region since Israel's war on Gaza began. Well, it appears that one of the militia groups in Iraq that is supported by Iran conducted this attack with drones. It appears that they did it in a relatively sophisticated manner. First of all, they targeted a U.S. base that is, technically speaking, on Jordanian soil. It's very close to Syrian border. But it was the first time that an attack had happened on Jordanian soil. And that's, I think, one of the reasons that the U.S. was taken by surprise. And also, the way they did it is that the drone was following an American drone that was returning to base.
Starting point is 00:03:38 And therefore, the radar systems confused the hostile drone with the U.S. drone. And that's one of the reasons that they succeeded. It seems pretty sophisticated, which means that probably Iranians were more closely involved in this attack than has been the case in other scenarios. There have already been 165 attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria since October 7th. Thankfully, none of them resulted in fatalities with the exception of this one. Has Iran claimed responsibility? How do we know Iran is involved here, for sure? Well, in fact, Iran has denied responsibility. But there is a long track record of Iranian financial and military support for these groups in the region, mostly Shia militias, but some of them are also Sunni groups like Hamas or
Starting point is 00:04:23 Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Palestine. But the group that is primarily responsible for this attack, which is an Iraqi Shia militia, is actually particularly close with Iran and often coordinates these attacks with Iran. So the plausible deniability that Iran is after really doesn't apply in this case because of the history of Iran's involvement with this particular group. I see. Okay. And this is a term, Ali, Iran-backed militias. This is a term we've been hearing a lot since October 7th. Iran calls this the axis of resistance.
Starting point is 00:05:03 What does that mean? Can you define axis of resistance for us? The axis is comprised of state actors like Iran and Syria, but also non-state actors like Lebanese Hezbollah, groups in Palestine like Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Shia militias in Syria, militias in Iraq, and also the Houthis in Yemen. Death to America, cry Hezbollah supporters in a packed hangar in Beirut's Dahia suburb. Also, we could include Shia militias from Afghanistan and Pakistan that Iran mobilized to fight in Syria during the Syrian civil war. But what glues all of them together is their animosity towards Israel and the United States that they view as seeking to dominate the region.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Okay, so Hamas is in Iran's axis of resistance. How was Iran involved with October 7th? Do we know yet? Well, we have a pretty good guess right now that Iran was actually surprised by Hamas's horrible attack on October 7th. It was not involved in the operation that took place that day. And it basically appears that it actually undermined Iran's strategic objectives at the time. Iran in September of last year actually finalized a prisoner exchange deal with the United States, through which it actually got some economic
Starting point is 00:06:39 reprieve because the U.S. released some of Iran's frozen assets. Happening now, five Americans have flown out of Tehran as part of a U.S.-Iran prisoner exchange. Along with the release of five Iranian prisoners, Tehran is also getting $6 billion that South Korea owed Iran in oil payments that were frozen as part of economic sanctions. During the summer of 2023, Iran and the U.S. were engaged in de-escalatory negotiations. And that is when we saw actually the longest period of no attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria for multiple months. So that was the trajectory that Iran was on, and it was hoping to resume nuclear negotiations with the U.S. in October. But when it happened, they had to deal with the consequences, and they're still dealing with those consequences today.
Starting point is 00:07:34 Let's talk about October 8th and onward. Where have we seen Iran-backed militias? And again, this is a term I feel like we've heard in dozens of different ways in the last couple of months. Where have we seen them become party to Hamas and Israel's conflict? Look, October 7th posed a dilemma to Iran because it had two options. One was to sit on its hands and allow Israel to go after a member of Axis of Resistance, Hamas, and see it diminished or destroyed without doing anything. The risk there was that it would lose face and it would lose the credibility of this network as a deterrence strategy for Iran to deter strikes on its own soil. The other option was to
Starting point is 00:08:20 get involved, get into the fray or encourage its most powerful non-state ally in this network, which is the Lebanese Hezbollah, to get involved. And the risk there was that it might have lost Hezbollah's deterrent capabilities in a direct confrontation with the U.S. or Iran itself might get dragged into a very costly war. The way Iran squared that circle was to encourage its allies in this network to engage in calibrated and very careful escalation. So we've seen a step-by-step going off this ladder, escalatory ladder, by both sides in the past few months. And Iran and its allies managed to engage in this escalation in a way that would put pressure on U.S. and Israel, but without it allowing tensions to spiral out of control until this attack in Jordan, which has resulted in the first American
Starting point is 00:09:22 fatalities since October 7th. The Biden administration clearly sees all of these groups, these militias, as instruments of Tehran. And it seems like Iran views it the same way. Iran, as I understand it, came up with the term, the axis of resistance, our guys. Do these groups view themselves as Iran's guys? Look, there's not a single formula that could be applied across the board. These groups fall along a spectrum. On the one end, you have Hezbollah in Lebanon, whose relationship with Iran is akin to two NATO allies. There's absolute trust. There is full coordination between the two. And at the other
Starting point is 00:10:06 end of the spectrum, we have the Houthis in Yemen, who are not really an Iranian proxy and have a long track record of even ignoring Iranian advice. And then there are different groups that fall in between, different shades of gray. So there's not a single formula that we can apply across the board. And understanding these nuances is important because then it helps countering the activities of these groups in a much more delicate manner. This is where we should ask or consider what the Biden administration can do here. Joe Biden has said the U.S. will respond to the killings of three U.S. service members in Jordan. Joe Biden also does not seem to want a war in the Middle East.
Starting point is 00:10:51 What can he do? Well, currently, there are no really good options available to the United States. We are in a situation that was predictable, that if the war in Gaza was to get dragged on for months, both sides will continue to climb the escalatory ladder and would eventually end up in a situation the options are going to look pretty unattractive. So the U.S. would have to respond because there have been American fatalities. There's no doubt about it, and it has to be qualitatively different than some of the other strikes that the U.S. has conducted in the past few weeks. There have been eight U.S. retaliatory strikes in Iraq and in Syria.
Starting point is 00:11:40 They've often targeted Iranian-backed groups and weapons depots in Syria and Iraq. In one case in Baghdad, the U.S. targeted and killed a senior commander of one of these groups affiliated with Iran. But overall, none of these attacks have deterred these groups or Iran from continuing these attacks. And right now, I think because Americans have been killed, the U.S.'s credibility depends on trying to exact the cost directly on Iran. So my expectation is that we will see a strike on Iranian Revolutionary Guards personnel and assets in Iraq, Syria, and potentially elsewhere, even on open seas. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the U.S. would target an IRGC naval asset, for instance, somewhere in the Persian Gulf or in the Gulf of Oman.
Starting point is 00:12:41 But, you know, then we will end up in a situation that Iran feels obliged to respond. Otherwise, it would be seen in a position of weakness. And from their perspective, that would invite more U.S. and Israeli strikes on their assets and their interests in the region. And unfortunately, this vicious cycle will continue because all that the U.S. or Iran are doing right now is that they're addressing the symptoms, not the proximate cause, which is the war in Gaza. And as long as that conflict continues, unfortunately, these tensions will continue. And at any moment, they can spiral out of control because of mistakes or miscalculations. Ali Vaez of the International Crisis Group will be back in a minute to talk about the changing face of Iran-backed militias.
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Starting point is 00:15:49 He's the Iran Project Director of the International Crisis Group. If you have even hazy memories of the early aughts, you might remember American President George W. Bush coining a term to refer to countries that were in conflict with the U.S. States like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. Iran's axis of resistance appears to be a direct reference to Bush, although the alliances within that axis are much, much older. Oh, it precedes the axisis of Evil by about two decades.
Starting point is 00:16:30 It all goes back to the 1980s when Iran was engaged in a devastating war of aggression that Saddam Hussein in Iraq had launched against Iran. At the beginning of last week, Iraqi MiGs bombed 10 Iranian airfields. The next day, the Iranians hit back. At the time, Iran was really struggling because it was under an American arms embargo and an entire region and the great powers were supporting Iraq's war of aggression in Iran. The war with Iran has given Iraq a rare opportunity to brush up a pretty tarnished image. And so for a young revolutionary system that had just emerged, it was a pretty traumatizing
Starting point is 00:17:13 experience. And the way the Iranians figured that they could put pressure on the West and on the US and Israel was to try to gain what is known as strategic depth, means that you fight your enemies not on your borders or inside your borders where you can't defend, but you try to deter them from striking you on your soil. Its raison d'etre or its concept stems from the fact that it does not have the conventional military strength to protect itself, because it has been isolated and under an arms embargo for many years. Iran, I would argue, is an opportunistic power. And what it has been able to do is to exploit chaos in the region. Israeli tanks roll into southern Lebanon.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Israel's invasion was the biggest development in the area since the 73 War. In 1982, Israel's invasion of Lebanon gave them an opportunity to create Hezbollah in Lebanon. With support from Iran and Syria, Hezbollah has grown into a popular movement with a well-armed military wing that's been... Then the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. Shock and awe. Provided Iran with a golden opportunity to create all of these Shia militias in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were killed. No one knows how many exactly, as armed groups fought each other,
Starting point is 00:18:48 fought the Americans, and killed each other's civilians. When Saddam fell and he was replaced by a Shia government, this basically created a natural alliance between Iran and Iraq and provided Iran for the first time since the 1979 revolution with the possibility of projecting power through a land corridor that extended from Tehran to Baghdad to Damascus to Beirut. And so it actually strengthened Iran's hands. The civil war in Syria in 2011 created another opportunity to create even more groups in Syria.
Starting point is 00:19:31 At this joint command center in Aleppo, home to Syrian army soldiers and other pro-Assad militias, Iranians control the communications, giving orders of where to fight and when. Saudi war in Yemen created an opportunity for Iran to invest in the Houthis. Shiite Houthi rebels have bombarded the president of Yemen's home and are trying to overthrow the government, says the information minister. And turn them into the disruptive force that they are today. Houthi rebels from Yemen were seen storming a cargo ship in the Red Sea. If we understand how Iran operates, then it basically gives us much better tools to try to counter it.
Starting point is 00:20:16 It's not related to their financial capabilities, so sanctions won't necessarily work. It's not about flexing our military muscles, but it's about depriving them of the oxygen that they need to support this network, which comes through conflict and chaos. So the more the West is able to bring conflict in the region to an end, the less opportunities Iran would have to be able to support these groups. All right. So Hamas and the Houthis both existed before October 7th. But since October 7th, what they've done, what both groups have done is they've used messaging to get themselves
Starting point is 00:20:59 noticed far beyond the region. They're not just on the intelligence community's radar anymore. They are literally on my Instagram feed. Is this new? Is this a strategy by these groups to sort of present a different face? There is certainly a soft power dimension here that these groups are fully aware of. Yemenis have been flocking to the port of Al-Salif on the Red Sea to visit the cargo ship, which was hijacked last month by Houthi rebels. It's become an attraction for Yemenis from all over.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Many come to tour it every day. Instead of going to parks and beaches, they're now visiting the galaxy leader. They know that at the end of the day, there is also a battle for hearts and minds. And the reality is that what has happened in the past few months, despite all the tragedies, in a way has provided them with an opportunity to recruit more forces. We started to see the public opinion shifting as the whole world witnessed women, defenseless women and children torn apart.
Starting point is 00:22:15 The humanitarian disaster that has occurred in Gaza is radicalizing segments of societies in all of these countries, which of course makes recruitment much easier for these groups. And in order to be able to capitalize on that opportunity, they have to portray themselves in a positive and polished manner. Houthi militias have been targeting ships in the Red Sea on the basis that they have an obligation under the Geneva Convention to stop genocide being carried out in Gaza.
Starting point is 00:22:49 And I think that's what you're seeing on social media as part of that effort to use this opportunity to grow. As I said, you know, all of these groups in Iran are opportunistic. And the more there is violence and chaos in the region, the more it will be beneficial to them. I've seen people on Instagram mooning over the hot Yemeni pirate. Rashid Al-Haddad, also known as Tim Houthi Shalameh and Jihadi Depp, posted this video on social media and received an unexpected wave of comments. We're talking about young people who are looking at this young man and saying, oh, to me, he looks like one of the good guys. Now, it's not clear if he is a pirate, but he has been documenting his time at sea,
Starting point is 00:23:38 including videos of him on cargo ships, possibly even one of the cargo ships that was hijacked by Houthi rebels in November. Is the crush on the pirate, even though we might be tempted to not take that seriously, is that a problem for the United States? It is certainly a problem. Whenever actors that are trying to disrupt the international system and are anti-status quo and our forces of instability gain popularity in the popular culture, it's a problem because younger people are going to start imitating them.
Starting point is 00:24:18 And again, this is one of the reasons that these groups overall see what's happening in Gaza as a golden opportunity because it makes recruitment for them much easier. And then we would have more cases of lone wolves conducting acts of terrorism in Western cities, which of course would create a major problem for Western governments and would not make Israel or U.S. allies in the region safer in any way. That was Ali Vaez of the International Crisis Group.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Today's episode was produced by Halima Shah and Amanda Llewellyn. Matthew Collette edited, Laura Bullard and Kim Eggleston fact-checked, and David Herman is our engineer. I'm Noelle King. It's Today Explained.

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