Tomorrow - 102: Blade Runner 2049

Episode Date: October 10, 2017

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Go to www.emergentnetworks.com slash WS1. Hey, and welcome to tomorrow on your host, Joshua Tupulski. I'm here with Ryan Hulahand, Ryan. Hello, Internet. Hello, Internet. There he is. And we are talking today live to you about Blade Runner 2049, Blade Runner 0, and the meaning of your useless manufactured existence. It's a big show.

It's the first tomorrow that we've done that's like properly in the fashion of the new, it's actually like tomorrow 2049. If you think about the old tomorrow, it was like, you know, lower budget, kind of a more streamlined idea. The story was better, the acting was better, the characters were more developed, but this one has a sexy Ryan.

But they didn't have a sound that was like, wow, every time something good happened. And so in this case, you're going to get that sound, but not much else. Okay, so anyhow, welcome. Thank you for being here, Ryan. Thank you for being here. Oh, thank you. You're contractually obligated to be here whenever I want, which is yeah, something I actually did a wonderful thing. So here's

what we're going to do. We're going to talk about the new blade runner and the old blade runner. So let me just set a couple things out here. First off, they're going to be spoilers. If you haven't seen the original blade runner, just turn this off. Just get away, get away from your computer, put shut your shut your laptop, put your laptop in the garbage, pour gasoline into the garbage, drop a match in it, and then let your entire apartment build in your house burn down. If you haven't seen Bladeron 2049 do the same thing, but with more,

there's like a whar out sound in the background, queue up like a Skrillex album and then do it. But we're going to be talking about these movies in explicit detail so there's gonna be spoilers. So if you haven't seen the new one, you probably shouldn't, I mean, do what you want. I mean, it's a miracle. We're in America. I don't know where you are, but we're in our dystopian future. We're in the dystopian future of America so you could do whatever you want, but they're gonna be spoilers.

And I mean, if you don't know anything about Blade Runner, you don't want to talk about Blade Runner, probably won't be very interesting. So that's thing number one. Thing number two is like, this is the first of the new tomorrow, which is true, which is like every week, we're actually going to have a specific thing that we have done and are going to talk about. In this case, it was really easy.

It was like, the new Blade Runner was coming out right when we were doing the first show, so it's really easy to get into this because Blade Runner, for me, for a very long time, has been my favorite movie. I mean, really has like, shaped who I am as a person in a lot of ways. So it seemed like a no-brainer.

Anyhow, those are my, anything do you have to say Ryan before we get started? I would say that my history with Blade Runner is, I remember I read the book when I was in high school and it was one of those first books that you read as a teenager where you're like, what if what if we're all you mean to a meeting to an electric stream of electric sheet. Yeah, the film K Dick novel it's based on. Yes. Okay, did you hear that? That's me being an asshole.

I'm like, excuse me. Or in the movie tie-in version that says Blade Runner or do Android stream of electric sheet. But I read it and I thought it was on those first books that like I thought philosophically about it and I didn't come to any profound conclusions. I was like 11. But. That's early. But it was amazing. And then I rented the movie and I remember being like,

I like this movie and my dad was like, it's a great movie. And it was one of those things that I was into. Yeah, I think my dad was also into it. And he was like, I remember my dad and my mom arguing because he thought that it was very romantic. Oh yeah, my mother was like, this is horrible because he is kind of horrible to Rachel in the movie. Yeah. In the original Blade Runner in case you're wondering. Even worse in the book.

And my father was like, this is very romantic and she was like, this is disgusting, which is basically the whole relationship of my parents in a nutshell, I would say. Oh, very sweet. Yeah. I hope they're watching live. I don't know. I'm sure they are. They'll have comments about how my face and hair look later. So, so look, this is, I saw the're watching live. I don't know, I'm sure they are. They'll have comments about how my face and hair look later. So look, I saw the movie last night. I went to a screening in a suburban theater. There were literally six other people in the field. Really?

It was almost totally empty. And I laugh with a lot of thoughts, a lot of feelings. So I think the first thing we should do is we should talk about like, I wanna talk about how I feel, initial reaction about this. So first off, I was convinced that this movie was gonna be terrible.

And it was not terrible. No, there are, I think it's a lot. You never even had expectations helped this movie out. Yeah, yeah, like my expectations were low. It was not terrible. I don't think it's a lot of expectations helped this movie out a lot. My expectations were low. It was not terrible. I don't think it should have been made. I think it was, I think it's something has happened bad in the world that it was made.

It's fan fiction. It should not have been produced and I am very mad at all the people who made it, but that said like they didn't make a terrible movie. No, it's good fan fiction. But also, it's not exactly a terrible movie. No, it's good fantasy. But, but, but, but also it's not exactly a good movie. No, which I think is, so I have a lot of conflicting feelings, which maybe that's what Good Art does. I mean, maybe Good Art makes you feel conflicted.

Maybe Good Art is about you questioning whether or not the art was good. Suddenly the coons is me. I know. What? Great lady Gaga reference. Thank you. Good stuff. So, so let's just set this up a little bit. Okay. I just want to preface this by saying. I just want, I'm going to talk to the viewer here for a moment. I'm going to talk explicitly about the film. I'm going to talk about things that happen in the movie. If you haven't

seen it, please, please do not get pissed at me for it being ruined because I'm now warning you, I'm going to spoil a movie. This will be available later. All right. So the movie takes place 30 years after the original Blade Runner, hence the title, which is fucking sucks in my opinion, 2049. It's a little stick a year on your movie. No. It takes place 30 years after the original Blade Runner. Replicants were outlawed and then were brought back into service thanks to this guy named Wallace, something or something, Wallace, who is a character played by Jared Leto. We're going to get to him in a second.

You see some clips here of Ryan Goslin. Oh, there's Jared Leto right there. Where is it? No, we're going to talk about Jared Leto in a moment, but anyhow. So, replicants are back in action and the protagonist of the film, Agent K, is a blade runner, hunting down old nexus replicants, which are the Tarell Corporation model replicants, six through eight apparently, is what they made.

And he's also a replicant, but the new replicants are they're nice, they don't kill humans, they don't have trouble, and they don't get caught up in all kinds of emotional feelings, they don't go like, oh, I'd either, I would like to live longer, or how come I'm not and they don't get caught up in all kinds of emotional like feelings, they don't go like, oh, I'd either, like I would like to live longer or how come I'm not, you know, I can't get a girlfriend or whatever.

No, they're basically on Paxle. Whatever, yeah, whatever trouble the replicates originally has been like eased by a series of exciting like conversations they have with a white wall. So many of them have to be in the basement. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. Yeah, so Agent K discovers a bombshell secret that can change the shape of reality. Breaking news.

So here's the thing. There's a moment in this film. It's very important. It's the most important, arguably the most important thing that happens in the entire movie, where the incredible secret that not only sets the stage for all of the events in Blade Run 2049, but also completely alters the fucking plot of the original Blade Runner. Yeah. Where this happens, and here's how we come upon this earth shattering, mind-blowing, world-destroying

fact, okay? You ready? Here's what it is. They have discovered some bones. Agent K has discovered some bones and bones. This is an episode of bones. By the way. Agent K has discovered some bones in a box.

They bring the bones into the laboratory where the lab technician, Coco, is analyzing them. He's an expert. He is a fucking forensics. He's in a plastic printed. He's got the special forensics vest on. So you know, he knows how to operate printed piece. He's got the special for Rensick's vest on, so you know he knows how to operate the machinery. He's probably prepped.

Coco is scanning and zooming on the remains. He's like, oh, oh, it looks like this woman. It's a woman, it looks like she had a baby, it looks like there was some trouble. Oh, she had a C section. Okay, good. He wrap it up. That's right, got it.

Good. Why would this replicate, why would the replicateant who Agent Kate killed, why was he keeping these bones? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, anyhow. Then Agent Kate Ryan Gosling's character non-chalantly walks over to the zooming machine. The skinny, the skinny, she's like, he's like, he's like, like that, like three zooms and he's like, hey, this was a replicant.

Okay. Here's the fucking plot of the movie. Replicants, at least the Nexus line, could have babies. Okay, so the fucking genetically engineered robot, whatever the fuck they are now can give birth to children. To babies. That they can just take an F-sexy, they have a baby, the baby shoots out of there,

or is a C-section, or whatever. He just discovered that happened. He's assumed, well, it's a C-section, but presumably maybe they could actually have a natural birth or whatever. Three clicks of the zoom, the cocoa just decided not to do for reasons we can't know. And now the world...

We apparently replicants have like a number in their bones and he was like, we're not checking for that. I don't wanna be that guy. I don't wanna be that guy, but it's a fucking ridiculous reveal. It's like, the greatest secret in the world has been revealed by you clicking Zoom three times because Coco didn't know how to go that level or whatever.

Okay, so then every reaction is like, this could be bad if it gets out. It's not like your brain is broken. It's like your mind is melting out of your head. I'm like, oh God. You've lived your whole life, you're a replicant. Two species at war. You understand how replicants function.

You know they can't have babies. You're a replicant. Two species at war. You understand how replicants function. You know they can't have babies. Yeah. You're a human. You're like, well, only human beings have babies. replicants can't pro-create that. Maybe they found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones.

They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones.

They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. They found eye phones. I put them in a drawer last night, and when I woke up, there was like a baby iPhone. Say next them. But everyone should just look at these iPhones. It's fine. Robin writes like, look, we gotta brush this

under the ground, okay. She says a bunch of shit that it seems so like forced. Like this will break the world. It's like, well, you kept it between you and like two other people and it didn't seem like a big deal in the lab. I would have started crying uncontrollably. I would have been like, I've been reading it, the book. Yeah.

I don't know if you've heard about it. It's about this clown, Pennywise. Anyhow, in it, there's a section where they talk about the horrors that the clown is causing amongst the children of Derry, which is the location of it. Derry, Maine, I guess. I don't know, anyhow.

And one of the characters is like, it's not that these things were scary, it's that they broke your idea of what was possible and how the world operated. Yeah. Which is exactly how you'd feel if a replicant suddenly could give birth, which is a synthetic thing that suddenly can procreate.

And a ball of them. So the entire movie hinges on this idea that there's a baby, a replicant baby. And can we just pause and say, the second I saw that this was a secret baby movie, I still was like, I'm gonna try to enjoy this. But all secret babies' sequels are just tough, tough stuff, like cursed child. All of its bad fanfictiony, weird.

So the problem is not just like, okay, so there's a secret baby. But also, and this is my, I will say, like, and I will talk a lot about different things that happen in this movie. And we're gonna take your calls also, by the way, you can call in, there's a number, 202, 688, 1697, please call us with questions. In a bit. Comments, whether you're angry, you know,

but here's the thing that really bothers me. It's that, not just that, they're like, oh, here's the plot is this baby, but it actually forces you to revisit the first movie. Yeah. And it forces you to kind of reevaluate all the care. Like what was happening? Like what was happening?

I mean, they literally say in one part, like, oh, maybe this is the whole reason you guys met was you could have this baby. And it's like, I don't want you to fuck with the first movie. Like I don't need the idea of the first movie to be like altered by the second movie, which is a bunch of new ideas that may or may not be good at all. No.

In my opinion, they're not, either they're not that great or they're not that well explored, but that said, I was very conflicted watching this. Here, listen, it's a beautiful movie. It really is stunning. I like some of the casting. I really thought the joy stuff was interesting in the way that I liked her.

I thought this was interesting, creative. There was moments that I was like, this is a beautiful moment, the like dream creating secret or memory creating sequence was great. That was okay. But I mean, as like the rest of the movie, like when you step back, it's like a movie about oppression with all white people. Here's the thing. Well, I mean, I did actually find myself thinking, I was like, this is really crazy, like

everybody's white. And then there's like, there's people of color who are other characters, but they're all bad, basically. Every one of them is a bad guy. And I was like, this feels weirdly outdated and racist. And all these powerful women exist only until fulfill the dreams of men. What's this weird?

Although I think this does raise an interesting question about the replicants being, I mean, they're all white, right? Well, that was what I was thinking, I was like, I wish they would have explicitly said, like, we're trying to create like perfect patriarchal ideal, like the worst version of that ideal eugenic stuff would have been cool to explore. And instead of doing that, they were like,

let's cut this lady up. Yeah. Okay. I want to, I want to talk about Gerlade. Okay, so, I mean, I really want to talk about this. And then we're going to get to call soon. Yeah, we're going gonna get to costume, and I'm gonna go on it. We're going to get to costume.

But so here's the thing, like there are moments in this film where I was going, like wow, they really don't make movies like this anymore. Like this is it. I thought this is slow, it's cinematic. Moody, new art, it's thoughtful. But then it's like, oh, in relief,

like in comparison to the Avengers, this movie is very like cerebral. But in comparison to the Avengers, this movie is very cerebral. But in comparison to movies that are cerebral, it's actually kind of dumb. There's a lot of parts that are like, I was like, there's a section in the movie where there's a 10 minute love making scene. And I feel like they thought they had something really special.

I feel like the director was like, just let's stay on this. We're just gonna stay on this for 10 minutes, trace from this tracking shot. Well, as it happened, I was like, this is really cool, but it's sort of like a bad ride where you're like, all you're on it, you're screaming. And when you get off, you're like,

what was the point of that? That was 30 seconds. I waited how long for 30 seconds, so I was like, this is gonna be fucking great. I was like, what's gonna happen? And then really, even McKenzie Davis. I'm not trying to, oh, so this is okay, the little thing, by the way, again, I want to say,

there are a lot of things about this movie that we're good. McKenzie Davis plays a character that's like, Pris Light. Yeah, everybody in this movie is like a version of somebody else, which in some way is clever, but also is actually kind of stupid. It's like, so Ryan Gosling's Deckard, and then Mackenzie Davis is like kind of a Pris character.

And then the girl who creates memories is like, JF Sebastian from the first one. And it's all the way, it's supposed to be Rachel, which is like a deal from the first one. And all the way is supposed to be Rachel, which is this like a deal archetype. Yeah, and there's all this like mirroring of characters that I think are very star wars. Yeah, very star wars. Almost like they wanted to reboot it

so they could make a bunch of sequels because they thought it became a really successful franchise. Whoever, at what is it Warner Brothers? Yeah. Who was like, this is a slam dunk. A movie about the nature of reality and humanity. A cult movie from the 80s about an orphan and replicant. Like whoever thought this,

Listen, I'm baited breath for the Dark Crystal 2049. That's what I have to say to WV it. But the Dark Crystal was a, wasn't it like a success? Like a hit? I don't know, wasn't it a hit? Blade Runner was a failure. Yeah it was. People rejected this film with the box office.

They were like, we're not interested in this. And also, there's something weird about this movie that's like, total fan service. So if you love the original Blade Runner, it's a lot here for you. Yeah. If you don't know shit about the original Blade Runner, what is this movie?

Yeah, no. I saw what we watched. I saw it with my boyfriend and he, several times I was like, like, okay, everybody, cool for a second, spoilers, but when the Rachel shows up. We're a spoiler alert. I was like reclumped and he was like,

what are you, what, I don't know who this is, like there's no frame, they don't explain a lot. There's like a shot of her in a picture frame and that's the only explanation. It's like his schedule girlfriend, he's the one who had the baby, the rapican baby, victory rolls. Anyhow, so I, I, I, I will say this,

we're gonna go to calls now, but it's gonna be really. I was like extremely emotional after watching this. My first thought was like, it was like, somebody had reached into my past and manipulated what was there and ruined it. That was my first thought. It was like, so what you're saying is ghostbusters should be men. It was like seeing those characters as females.

No, here's my thing with all these reboots and stuff. I don't think it ruins the original for me. The original is still a fantastic film. It just, I, it doesn't ruin it, but it forces you to have passions about it. Yeah, yeah. And like unnecessary. Yeah, it's like, you don't need to, I mean, yes, I get it.

You're continuing the story. I just feel like they raised points that were really, they fucked with the old movie, and it seems like I'm very unnecessary. Star Wars doesn't do that. You could have told another story in this universe. The Star Wars reboot doesn't do that. It didn't need to be a family thing.

Anyway, let's put it away. Before we go to calls, I got to have a Jared Leite. Okay, I'm sorry. Or Disney's animatronic president. Jared Leite's character is like the ultimate bad movie villain. He speaks exclusively. In Bible quotes. It's like made up Bible quotes.

And the Lord said, let there be light. So there's a scene in the original Blade Runner when Rucker Hauer, the guy who plays Leon, whose name escapes me now is William Something, I think. They go into to talk to the doctor who makes the eyes and Rucker Hauer says something, I think it's like fiery the angels fell born burning in the fires of Orrk or something,

which is like very biblical sounding, it may be from something. Oh, so Rucker H it was just kind of spanned at the mouth, right? But record, how it was also like, who's in your apartment? Like you said, normal stuff. He was like, I want more life, fuck her, originally, but then father later.

Jared Leto spoke exclusively in things like fiery, the angels fell. Like, that's how he talked to me. He did the exact opposite of his Joker. Yeah, but it was like the same level. Like it was boring as well. It was the same level of ridiculousness as his Joker. It was like completely unbelievable character

that even in the context of this dystopic hell world of 2049, I feel like people would be like, what are you talking about? Like you're a businessman, you run the Replicon Factory. I'm sorry, they have the sluice where the replicants drop down into his chamber. Also all of his areas are like weird chambers. I will say though I did like the water effects even though there wasn't water like let water what life comes from water. It's cool but he's like

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I between the male and female characters in these films. Like in the first one, I mean, in the first one, the female characters are pretty abused. I mean, even Rachel, this is what I was talking about with my parents, like Rachel, like the love interest in kind of the main secondary character of the movie is like kind of raped, like kind of like man handled by Harrison Ford, it's not, it's like romantic, but then it's also like fucked up.

Like it's not that romantic. Yeah, It's not, it's like romantic, but then it's also like fucked up. Like it's not that romantic. Yeah, it's not. No. In this movie, I mean, there clearly was like a flip of power where it was like, but I do feel like they went back to the same well with the archetypes of strong female characters that aren't, they're physically strong or they have power, but they're not actually a full character. They're just to like reflect with some guy one.

Like love, like love as a character. Why did Jared Lee don't need to exist if you could have just made love the person in charge? Well, like, and also be a super-powered fighter. But love was also like her entire thing was about hunting down something for Jared Lee's character, right? So everybody was like in service of all the women were in service of a man, essentially in this movie.

And I think that's like, look, Ridley Scott has fucking problems. Like, he's bad at making movies that are diverse. He's bad at making movies that are seen from a viewpoint that isn't like a white male. I mean, this movie, I know it wasn't his movie, but he definitely like hand picked everybody and a lot of the plot points in this movie I do know were pulled from ideas for the original that they didn't get to carry. He's a turquoise. I wanted to abuse more women in the original,

but we wanted to cut out a newborn lady right up. Yeah, no, there's a chopper to bits. There's like the thing with the, right. The thing with the, with the rap, where he just like kills her forever. The stacer and like her tutor is. It's like what to demonstrate for love who doesn't care because she's a fucking rap looking.

No, it's just like this, I mean again, but I will say in keeping it here. But he didn't join. He didn't join. But even Joy exists, her whole thing is like, I exist to tell you whatever you want. And then they tried to develop her where they're like, she's got some kind of, she wants to be a real girl, she's a Pinocchio story. But then again, they're like, no, it's advertising.

But that felt so empty because it was like, you knew that she was like a manufacturing product that was meant to serve this purpose. Like you see very early on, she's like a 1950s housewife. Actually, I think that's like a good reflection of Ridley Scott's idea of the women in the movie is like they're all like there to support and prop up and like move forward to them.

They actually are like manic pixie dream girls. I enjoy absolutely. I mean like Pris, the original Pris concept is like kind of a manic pixie dream girl. So J.F. Subash is a fucking gamer game. She's doing backflips. J.F. Subash is like a gamer gate guy. And like she's like the girl who's like saves him

like this kind of like fantasy anime girl essentially. She actually is like the basis for a lot of anime characters. So maybe there's like, I do think we should mention quickly that there was a lot of women in it, but there was absolutely no women of color. And that was just, you know, there was no men of color either, but we have to say that. There were, there were men of color, but they were all like

side characters who were kind of like, two seconds. Yeah. Like, it was, it actually stood out to me. Like, it was distracting. Well, they gave a speech about slavery. Everybody there was like, but literally like, it was distracting in that. It didn't seem to reflect.

Like, I know, one thing I'll say, I understand the premise that this is not our timeline. Like is 2019 wasn't like 20 like 2019 in this movie and well maybe if Trump keeps at it I mean might end up that way but like I understand that this is its own thing mm-hmm but it still felt like I was watching going like I don't know there's just so many white people yeah this feels like it'd be more diverse based on what I know of America right now. Well, it was their chance to really make the franchise into all right.

Let's go to another call. We've got Jake from West Lafayette, Indiana. And let's see what Jake has to say. Jake, what's up? Jack and Jake, really diverse set of people speaking of diversity. Joy and Jeff. I know the diversity.

It's crazy. My question was about what did you guys think plot-wise at the point of injecting a Ryan Gosling character with the Replicant and Child's actual memories? I didn't actually understand why that was a plot point. So I've been thinking a lot about this and so there's two possibilities, right? One is like she's making these memories and they're based on hers and they just end up in replicants and it's a random thing. Or that memory maybe is in all the replicants as kind of like a deep seated. But then that made me think maybe the idea is that that girl's been looking for her parents. And she has these memories

that she think can lead her back to them and that her, I'm actually getting chills describing this because it would be a really good plot point, but that her thing is like this, she's like creating this underlying bed of memories for every replicant in the hope that somehow yeah that's what I was thinking closer to like finding who her parents are that she was leaving little bits for whoever ended up being in place for it yeah or alternatively that she knows who the memories are sort of going to and she said all this guy's going to be assigned to be a blade runner who else who what whether person would be perfect for it or sorry sorry, I didn't mean to stop. No, just for easy.

Or Ryan Gosling is actually the kid. Yeah, and it's not the girl. It's twist-twist. She's a replicant and he's out there dying as the actual human who was the child of the replicant. Thanks for dying, I got a little me with a daughter. But on the flip side, if you're thinking purely about sequels, now you've got another replicant baby

who presumably would be capable of reproducing. The sequels should be a taken film where baby who presumably would be capable of reproducing the sequels should be a taken film where the daughter gets taken in Harrison form for to rip some Los Angeles. I gotta say Jake I know how you felt about this but Decker lived at the end of the movie completely outrageous and he okay Han Solo's dead but Decker gets to live. I guess the says. The hard drink and hard party and Decker to have made it through. He's doing fine.

Jake, let me ask you a question. Living in a radiation hotel. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, sure you go ahead. Deckered. Replicant or human. You know, you have to assume human, right? Or else, like, what's the point?

Would you? Why isn't that a deal? I mean, really Scott claims he's a replicate. exactly right what's what's the point would you would you have to deal with really really Scott claims he's a he's a replicate has been for claims he's a human we heard i believe her son forcus he's wake or the really scot how many times really scot but in playing crash and survived exactly exactly

who and that's interesting i think that's a really that's a very good question upon her i i was thinking a lot about like what were the reasons these are actually something that kind of so to me a little bit which was if her memories actually were infectious somehow and getting the replicants to believe that they could be more human like or something like that would be a good plot well that

that wasn't a good with it like at, except that wasn't explicit at all. But they do, but the leader of the revolution, which all of the was one of the worst subplots of all time, which is like, we're gonna, there's gonna be your, there's gonna be your revolution is like, take it. If you had like three minutes of screen on time. Yeah, it's like, that's a big deal. The three minutes of screen time is like, there's no revolution

comments like, is there, it feels like it wall is kind of a neural pattern. Since you guys just got some matching outfits, but she said, like, oh, we all have that dream that we're the one, which maybe suggests that that particular memory about the horse. It's given to all of them. But then you think the replicants would be like,

oh, you've got the horse memory. We want the fuck some of that. We're all talking about this horse. Yeah, like we're all obsessed with the horse. All right, well, thank you, Jay. Jay, that's good. Jay, thank you very much. Speaking of who and who is an irreplicant Brad and Vancouver

has some theory. Okay, Brad, let it honestly. What Brad has to say. Jake, thank you very much. Speaking of who and who is an irreplicant Brad and Vancouver has some theory. OK, Brad, let it honest. You know what Brad has to say. Hey, how you doing? Good, how are you? But yeah, I have a part in the second movie where I forget which two characters. But they're talking about a replicant from the olden days. And they say like he's very easy to, very hard to identify

where all the replicants in the new 2049 are like immediately identifiable but in some way and I wanted to know if you got that in theory, why? I have my own theory but do you guys catch that line? Do you know what I'm talking about? So I don't actually, now I don't remember what you're talking about. Like I do know that, it's interesting that in the, with the new replicants apparently there are serial numbers in the eye which is good. It's like better idea than like the Void Conf, a thing. When you think about it, actually, it's weird. They were like, we're going to make these replicants

completely impossible to identify unless you do this crazy like mental test on them for an hour. Yeah, you could have just like put like a cycle on their own. I don't want to be like all concentration camp or whatever, but you could have put a serial number on their own. There are, I mean, they're a fucking replicant. Yeah.

Okay, anyhow, so what, so what scene was this? I think that exactly, I want to do a rewatch to nail down the details, but I don't actually. I'm not mad. There's a scene where, if you watch it again, sorry. Nothing, I was just giving you shit for not remembering exactly what's in. Yeah, that's fine. And I have a a theory that basically when every two characters interact, if it's a human character

and human characters, they do like a flight smile before and the Republicans are just not allowed to smile whatsoever and that's how they're told to part. Like Republicans will just never smile and that's why they picked Ryan Gosling because they're basically like let's find an actor that can do very few words and never have any facial emotion and I just said a lot of smile. I'm driving. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like I saw Ryan Gosling. I don't know, Brad. That's an interesting question. I feel like I saw Ryan Gosling smile. Sounds like Brad's getting arrested. I don't know. What's going on? We're sorry. You'd wait for the movie. Wait, where are you right now and what's happening with this police sirens that we're hearing? Oh, I'm in Vancouver, which, as you know,

is the crime district in the world. To hell, world. Yeah, no. Sorry, I went to the red. Where was the red? Oh, that's so black room. Red, stay safe out there, okay? And, you know, remember, you're,

I don't know what the rights are in Canada, actually. I think they put you in salt area immediately, so. You know, good luck. Thanks, Brad. Anyhow, so I mean, there are, here's the thing about this movie. Actually, I think they put you in salt area immediately. So, you know, good luck. Big spread. Anyhow, so, I mean, there are, here's the thing about this movie, you know, A.O. Scott, I read the A.O. Scott review for The New York Times.

And he talked about how the old, the last, the original movie, nothing, the old movie, the original movie didn't need like a reveal. It was like, and there was a plot. It was kind of like beginning, middle, and end. It told a story. It asked you questions. It made you, it made you ask questions. It was kind of like beginning, middle, and end. It told a story. It asked you questions. It made you, it made you ask questions,

but it didn't require something like huge reveal. One of the things I thought was annoying about this movie was that it forced you into this kind of like what's it gonna be? Like you knew from the beginning. Yeah. It's like what's it gonna be? What is the big twist that like just shocks us?

What's gonna happen? And I think this is the kind of idea of modern narratives where you have to do that. Like emotionally, emotionally this film was very evocative because it really, it pulled the right kind of levers. But in terms of what I think back on the storyline,

it feels much more forced than the original. You know? The original. Well, I was very, very cut and dry. I know that when they made the original, and this is gonna sound insane, but I did read this, that essentially the screenwriter and Ridley's know that when they made the original, and this is gonna sound insane, but I did read this that essentially the screenwriter

and Ridley Scott hadn't really read the original book. They had gotten the plot points and basically the general idea and then they created their own moody emotional thing in the way that the book was moody and emotional. But they were genuine. Whereas I think this, it's someone that read the book, saw the graphic novel, saw the movie a thousand times

and then had a very clear thing as opposed to some ambiguity. They had a very clear thing, as opposed to some ambiguity, they had a very clear statement to make, which is sometimes feels clunky. I will say this, I remember reading, to Andrew's Reveille, Electricie,

after I saw Blade Runner, and I was like, oh, this is nothing like the movie, but there were a lot of scenes in the new movie that were reminiscent of the book. Like, the part where he doesn't, you know, where Agent K doesn't pass his evaluation. And Robin Wright is like, I can get you out of the building. There's a scene that like literally is where that book turns where you're like, oh shit.

The guy you thought, sorry, spoiler alert for the Phil K. Dick book. You know, the main character you think is like a human for most of it. And it's like he's a replicate. And there is a moment where that happens. And it's like, oh shit, everything I think is right is actually wrong. And I felt came through in a lot of the scenes in this movie, that one in particular where it was like,

okay, this character's having like a breakdown because he doesn't really understand what he is. And the other characters around him have some idea of it but aren't fully, haven't fully addressed it. Yeah, you know? Let's see what Amar from Toronto has to say. Oh wow, another Canadian caller. Hello Canada.

Hello. What have you got for us? Well, just to go back to the treatment of the female characters for a second, you know, when I my, um, uh, just to go back to the treatment of the female characters for a second, you know, when I was watching it, my, uh, it's undeniable that the film is very violent towards all its female characters. But then I think the part where my reading

of it really sort of changed and came around for me was, when you get to that point where, you know, Fraser meets them and says, oh, you thought it was, oh, that, oh, you know, Frazier meets him and says, oh, you thought it was, oh, you thought it, you were the savior. Oh, you poor thing, you know? I thought it read to me like the whole film is saying that,

oh, this is a world where women are objects. They're being used as props to, you know, the female replicants are being used to try and procreate so that they can be this capitalist thing for Wallace. They're these erotic statues in Las Vegas and all this imagery and joy, you know, being this thing that tells Ryan Gosling's character that, you know, you were this amazing person. And then for me, act of that happened. My reading of it was, oh, it's trying to say that, you know,

this is a world that centered around men and men are using women as objects, but actually the savior is a female. So I'm just curious to think you sort of thought of that. Well, I actually really like that. What you said that it was like, oh, you thought you were the savior like that. Well, I actually really like that what you said that it was like, oh, you thought you were the savior like that. That underscores. I'm not saying it makes it all necessary, like all the violence that we had to endure. But I do think that that is a point that I maybe you've changed my mind a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I

think there's there's something interesting there. There is this kind of idea that the men are sort of broke. I mean, Gosling's character absolutely is kind of a broken man in this movie, you know. He slowly, but sure, I mean, he doesn't seem that with it from the get go. I mean, he doesn't seem like he's having a great time at the beginning and then it just kind of gradually degrades. But I do think that, you know, way, like on more, on a specific sort of storyline level, I think that reading is right and interesting. That the women ultimately are the people in power in some way or the savior.

Or that because they're not empowered, they're the only people who can truly resist. If you're part of the power structure, how much can you really change? But the under, but I think the more meta reading is, these characters is still there to kind of move them, the male characters along. If you look at like the, it as a film, as a film, you feel this push of the female characters helping out the male characters and guiding the male characters

and like making sure the male character is attained, you know, get to their destiny or whatever. And this is true of love, it's true of the Robin Rye character, it's true of joy, it's true of the revolutionary leader. What is her name? I'm not sure. It's... If you know, drop it in the chat.

Anyhow, thank you so much for your draw. Yeah, but that's a really interesting point. I do think there's two levels there. I mean, I think there's a reading where it's like the future is kind of the future is female, but I think there's another reading where it's like the future is kind of the future is female, but I think there's another reading where it's like the film itself presents it as a very, kind of traditional relationship.

I mean, I have to, I have to say, like thinking about this, it is impressive that it's made me feel as much as I feel about it. Like when I was watching, I definitely went through a range of emotions. There were parts where, and by the way, art is- It gives you the space to do that though. I feel about it. Like when I was watching, I definitely went through a range of emotions. There were parts where, and by the way, art is... It gives you the space to do that though.

It really does, and a lot of movies don't anymore. Even though it was structured like an action movie, it gave you time to think about the concepts it was giving in. I actually will say, on that point, I did not feel, in the final act of this film, I was like, okay, they're going to go into this like big, a phrase, the name of that character. A phrase. Just phrase. I thought they were going to go into a big action sequence, they're gonna go into this like big a phrase is the name of that character. A phrase. Just phrase. I thought they're gonna go into a big action sequence

and they actually went into this very intense, this is the knife fight in the water, which is, oh my God, stunning. And then you hear the calming sound of the shore while the most violent part of the film is happening. I mean, really a really incredible lush like meditation on violence, but like, but it never gets to this big action sequence

when I was very pleased with it. It never turns minority-report on you. It's not really an action movie. No, it's not. I'm not sure that I would describe this as an action movie. I mean, there's certainly our moments of action. Yeah. But it's not like, it's not Mad Max.

Speaking of filmmaking, Mike and L.A. wants to call in and talk about sound design visuals. Okay, Mike, bring it on. Hey guys, hey Joshua. Hey, how are you? Big fan for a long time. I just watched it at the AMC Dolby Cinema theaters and you know that's where they have the 3D sound, you know,

with the speakers on the ceiling all around you. The wonderful thing about this movie movie i understand about the story problems and stuff like that but it was the visuals and the production says for amazing and i was found i mean the sound was stunning yeah yeah did you guys agree oh no i'm completely i mean i'll say this the biggest accomplishment of this

film in my opinion is like visually and and and orally it is like unlike anything that has existed for a very long time. I mean, in the way that the original Play Runner is this kind of like visual and audio like assault in a positive way, this movie is rich and like that. But the thing is, when I was watching and I thought this isn't a different time in Hollywood, the fact that a studio picture that probably wanted to, they want to make it a franchise was allowed to be as artistic and meticulous as it was.

I was really surprised. Even the soundtrack, they didn't make a lot of concessions on the style. And I was really, I don't know, I was impressed. No, one of the most impressive things to me was the evolution of the Vangelis soundtrack into like a modern, much more modern sound, but very...

So consistent. Very much a part of the original soundtrack. I mean, the sound, the music, the sort of sound design and the visuals. I mean, the visuals, that shot where K is walking, Joe is walking through the like orange radiation and it's just sort of him. That wouldn't make it into most studio movie.

Yeah, it's very, there's, right? You get that on screen. There's a lot of meditative sort of moments in this that were visually. I mean, one of the things that kind of is annoying is I went back and watched the original right after watching this. And the original feels so small by comparison.

You know, the world is so compact. And this is like, it's like a new hope, where there was limits, but they also had a story they wanted to tell within those limits and they did. I mean, but you know, just technically speaking, we were talking about this earlier before we started and it's this idea, like in the new film,

you can go, wow, I want this like crazy building that doesn't exist. I want 10 of them in a row. And somebody can just do that. In the original ones, you were like, oh, I want these crazy them in a row. And somebody can just do that. In the original ones, you were like, well, I want these crazy buildings and a bunch of model guys. We're like, we'll get to work on that.

We're in iterations and then we're out of time. But we'll have so much clay. Yeah, we have so much paper, moussha, that we can put all of this. It's like, it is crazy to think about the idea that there's just this endless sort of expanse that you can create now because of computers. And so it does feel like.

But it didn't, I also didn't feel like they abused that. Like I felt like everything was sort of selected for a specific purpose. Nothing looks super fake. One of the things that that was actually weird is the spinner. And a couple of things that the spinner actually did look kind of fake.

Like it looked kind of like tacked on it. I don't know if that was on purpose. Like I feel like they could have made it look more integrated. Yeah. But they maybe did it to reflect what the original film looked like. I mean, there was a lot of, I will say this, like, I mean, it was stunning.

Yeah, it was stunning. We can nitpick, but it was stunning. But there was a lot of like, pain homage to the original movie. Sure. In the way that the Watchmen movie is like, Slavish Lee devoted to, sorry, I just didn't understand.

That was a way to, no, Slavish Lee devoted to, and that was a way or no Slavery's Lee devoted to the use that DNA Yeah, please don't be a very bad replicate Slavery's Lee devoted to the comic book. Yeah, I feel like this movie was slavishly devoted to I didn't feel like that really no I'm wrong the only thing I thought I was so happy about was they didn't come up with some 2049 version of cell phones I was like, oh, thank God. Well, that actually was a problem for me. Like, we're devised.

Really? The girl was using to build the memories. Yeah. Was it like that? I know it was cool, but it's like, that doesn't seem practical. Just get a surface. All right, we've got Noah from New York here. Noah from New York.

Noah, do I know you? I feel like I know every Noah. I know you. I don't know. Okay, good. Noah, what's up? I don't think so. Yeah, I wanted to kind of talk about how. like i know every now and new york okay good now what's up yeah i wanted to kind of talk about how

i mean i think it's pretty obvious that probably there was obvious to me watching that it's basically ecstasy the story that you have this villain who lives in a pyramid who wants to use this uh... these people to conquer the world and build his monuments. But you have to find a missing baby first to the promise once we leave them

out. Wow. And shit. No, it makes this, it makes the movie seem a lot worse now that you're right. It's like classic Ridley Scott. He's so obsessed with the Bible. Yeah. He's so obsessed with it. Wow. Wow. That's interesting. interesting i actually like that so the baby's Moses no who's the baby in excess right yeah yeah the most yeah we sent on the river and sure from far out classic classic story but i

think what's interesting is how the movie also kind of reclaims that the vinetowards for the women at the end. Like it's weird. From the film language, the man is the subject, I'm gaffing is the subject of the film, but metatexually he's just a tool being used by the resistance in order to find the daughter. So, yeah, I mean, I guess I mean, here, you can say from a story perspective that that that that is true that he is the device for her, but also the only character whose inner life we truly explore is his. Right.

So it's from the man's from a utilitarian perspective. He's still the main character. Like it's he's still said most important thing i think i think it's also really when you think from his perspective because his perspective was also made by all was made by the i forget her name but will become the dotter who eventually revealed the the daughter everything he remembers is her memories it's all her perspective interesting she's trapped in that bubble she needs back to a man's body

that's a really interesting part of the only people in the world with agency for a woman to get something done she is demand yeah you can't her memories and her motivations and I think that's I think it's one of those things where the the story at a story level that works at a metal level it comes off in a very different way which is interesting to think about this I mean which is interesting to think about the the characters mean, which is interesting to think about the characters and the sort of writing of this film. I also think like, I think there's like a little bit

of biting off more than one can chew. There was a lot in this film. You know where it was like, there's all, I mean, what you're talking about. You're talking about it incredibly ambitious. Yeah, I mean, no, what you're talking about is definitely there. And I'd rather ambition than no ambition.

But it's almost like, if we could have just moved aside some of these subplots and sort of, like the romance between him and Joy. Joy, that was sort of in another movie. Jared Leto could have been caught. You could have really streamlined the full-fi. I mean, Jared Leto was insignificant. I mean, ultimately, just annoying.

Because we didn't need it. It was a distraction for the entire movie. Because his like quasi-bible talk. Who talks like that? Jared Leto. 24th of real life. No, that's the thing. In real life, that's Jared Leto.

It's fucking Jordan Catalano. Just spewing some bullshit. Tom Letterman. Oh yeah. I know. Thank you for your call, Noah. That was very insightful. So I don't know.

How many more, we got like time wise. Like, should we do a few more calls? I think we've got about like a Jared Leto clip. Oh, we got like time wise. Like, should we do a few more calls? I think we've got about, like, we have a Jared Lado clip. Oh, let's do the clip. Oh, let's do this. I just want everybody to get a sense of the Jared Lado. If you haven't seen this,

I don't know why you're fucking listening to this right now. If you have through the BF and let you see some Jared Lado. Let's watch a few seconds of Jared Lado. That's why he came to the model. I found like intolerable to view in this film. In real life? In real life. In real life, he looks amazing.

30 seconds to leave me alone. Yeah, but in this film, can we just get him up here and take a look? Let's see it. What he's got going on. I think the late 149 is the same test in the series. To the original story and the characters that were created. From the cinematography to the script to working with Dene and Ridley. I just feel really lucky just to be on the team.

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Good, how are you? Blade running. You were just doing a blade running over here. Couple of replicants, just wrapping. My question is from a stylistic perspective, what do you think of the fact that they did away with the sort of film noir narrative style of the original? Well, I think, I mean, it's hard to tell,

I feel like Ridley Scott hated that he did that in the original. I mean, I feel like he's been working against the fact that the narration, which I love, I came into the original film with the narration intact. That's the first version I saw. That was, yeah, of course. I hate the narration.

I love the narration, I hate it. I'm fucking great. And it's very less- Let's name walked in with two legs. It's not that bad, it's very good narration, actually. I'm with Harrison Ford on this. Fine, whatever, I mean, they'll tell you all. He's like, oh, we hated this or whatever.

It's like, well, you recorded like 20 minutes of narration for the film. But like, I feel like that Ridley Scott's been trying to work his way out of that noir stuff since the beginning because Ridley Scott really wants to do Prometheus. Let's be honest. Ridley Scott's whole thing now is like, I want to tell creation stories.

He's like in his God phase. And he's been in his god phase for a while. And so he really wants to tell like these big epic, what is the nature of humanity? It's almost like he wishes he was Terrence Malik, but he stuck making genre movies. And the good way. Wait, is there, do you do good wife episodes?

No, he was like one of the executive producers. Oh really? Okay, I never noticed that. Maybe I didn't notice it. Anyway, but so I think that, I never noticed that. Oh, maybe I didn't notice it. Anyway, so I think that I do think that there's a, I think it's like intentional, you know? That he wants this to be epic.

He wants to be global. He wants to be big larger than life. It was so interesting in the original movie. It's very cool to like come up with that cyber punk sort of noir style. I don't know that modern audiences have the patience for it. So when you play with a genre that people already knew, that's cool, but I don't think people are familiar with that genre, so it's not as much fun to play in that sandbox with new toys. Do you know what

I mean? I wasn't listening because I was chatting with people. It's all right. I was just talking to them at the secretive life. Yeah. Anyway, life to be us. Okay. Thank you for your call, Matthew. Yes, thank you. So look, I mean, I think the thing is, you know, this has actually been very cathartic from... And talking about it's been very cathartic because I had all these feelings kind of bound up when I, before we did this episode.

And you've worked them out. No, I don't think I have, but... Well, let's take one more call. Yeah, that's fine, best of all. We've got... We've got John from Munchlair, who wants to know which version we prefer. And I think that's a good note to leave it on great stuff. John. What's up?

Hey, Josh some of huge fan. I followed you since I'm gadget. Thank you. The feeling is mutual. Same What if what if I had been following you you don't know what I've been doing you don't know what I do in my spare time What if I've been stalking a lot of downtime since the days of engager I have like my relationship with you is I've listened to you talk every week for like 10 years. Like a dull and dull life. That is crazy. John, I want you to look outside your bedroom window right now.

Do you see a light across the street? That's me. We're actually doing this from a pod across the street from you. No, okay, so sorry, so we're talking about versions of Blade Runner, the original I'm assuming, because I think it's like one Blade Runner, the original I'm assuming, because I think it's like one final cut. No, let's make the man talk. I started off having only seen the theatrical.

I watched it like probably when I was like 18, I'm like 25. The original theatrical cut. Narrowed it with the narration. Yeah, yeah. Where they like drive away you hey spoiler alert just kidding Good And then last night I watched the uncut one because it was on Apple TV for like the final cut yeah I'm cut to the budget fucking job of the hot bullshit in that movie they changed the way people's eyes look

Yeah, that's what it felt like. It felt like I was watching the 90s version of Star Wars. Yeah, no, it's... No, it's there you. Yeah, he's right. That's correct. No, clearly, I've voted. Revisionist history is bad.

Going back and going like, oh, I didn't really mean that. I just preferred as a film. It's like, you know, when the BST boys were like, we went back and we recorded all the times that we called women bitches. It's like, you did that. It happened. It's like, it's real, you know?

Like, own it. I'm not saying they were right. I'm not saying it's good, but like, just be like, yeah, I was fucking stupid. And then I got better. That happens. People evolve. Really, Scott's like,

but I also think he was cut off creatively from the movie. Oh, that's bullshit. And executives came in and I don't know what. Really, they came in and cut 10 minutes of violence and out of the narration. They put a stupid narration on it, that only it is like. I feel like the narration is fucking great. I love the narration.

I mean, at the end, it's probably come all right. Well, I want to say thank you to the people who called in that we knew weren't able to get to. Who couldn't we get to? Wait, wait, wait. Let's take one more we've got ryan from chicago let's talk to ryan right from shaytan i was you'll be our last i was just in your neighborhood beautiful city it really is the best city

not one go that far i didn't say the best it was beautiful you know i did uh... well you know my question is every time that joys shows up they play the theme from Peter in Peter and the wolf. I was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on the significance of that. Let's the story of Peter and the wolf. Can we talk about that? What is the plot?

Is it that Peter rabbit? Very, very rough. No, no, Peter and the wolf. I think it's an old Russian. So Peter goes out and plays. There's something with a couple of like a bird and a duck arguing over neither is a real bird because what kind of bird can't swim and what kind of bird can't fly. is what kind of a bird can't swim, and what kind of bird can't fly. I think I'll go back and forth, and then a wolf shows up and tries to eat them. I forget how it ends.

Yeah, that sounds good. But it's always used in the context of joy. Well, I think, probably, the question there is, is joy real? Is, right, gossling a real person? Yeah. Or any of us? I think that's true. Oh, really?

Okay. What kind of person can't feel? Right. Exactly. Oh, Johnny, you want to, we're going to play some... Oh, it's a ballet. Oh, so that's that ringtone, the Wallace ringtone. Yeah.

But, do do do. Ah, that's interesting. And it's an interesting observation that I wouldn, do do do. That's interesting. And it's an interesting observation that I wouldn't have. I think it's interesting that the character's reading Pale Fire by Nabakov, and he's interested in music from the 60s. And I mean, think about some of the references

in this film, it's very much like Ridley Scott. Yeah. It's like, you know, some Russian ballet and, you know, pale fire and... Well, thematically... Elvis. Theomatically, I think what you're supposed to ask is it does like joy. Does joy have a case best interest at heart or is joy just sort of reflecting whatever she was programmed to reflect in himself?

I think that's the last one. And do any of us do that in relationships? Here's a question for you. That's a question. Here's a question. And maybe Ryan, you can ask this, any Ryan can answer this. But, you know, the replicants, what are they? I think they're biome, like, engineered people.

So I think they're, it's an organic. So they're completely organic. 3D printed organic. So I think they're, it's an, it's an organic, but they're completely organic. 3D printed organic. So they're like, and they've changed some stuff in the jeans, like their corn or like that, that rice they grow in India, that they've genetically engineered it to be superior in some way. Comparatively to a Westworld robot. There's less plug and play ports. You can't, you can't in the movies, in the book, in the book, they're robots. But the reason why they need to avoid conf test

is because they can't plug something into them. No, because they're cut through, you could find some stuff, bone marrow tests and stuff. Right, you could see some manufacturing. Bits and bops. Right, but they're not mechanical. No, I think they're not robots. They're not digital.

No, right. They don't get, they don't get recharge. I mean, Westworld, like could it go through a metal detector? Westworld robots, I think they could not. They could not. But these replicants, they're passing right through security. They're basically humans. They got clear.

But they have serial numbers. Pre-check, and they have, they accept to expire. Yeah, like all meat. But they can't be controlled. I think they are brains are printed in a way that you can tell them stuff. They've been programmed brainwashing. Okay, so that brings me back to this original, to my original beef, which is this the child, the secret child, like the cursed child. I guess a non is surprised that a genetic copy of a human could give birth.

It's a, it has all the parts, right? I think the thing is that they did so many edits that it's sort of like when you have a mule, it can't, like the genetics are so effed up that you're at a certain point where it's not really viable. You know, when you think about the real star of this movie was Tarell, you know, the original, the creator of the replicants

who embedded the greatest secret of all They could get knocked up. I think the real star of this movie was the dog who was my favorite character the dog Is it real that drinks whiskey basically me? The only legitimate laugh in the film was when he pours out the whiskey incredible You know Harrison Ford just did that for sure and that dog is like this dog's been on set all day I will say this one one thing, the fucking bottles and all blade runners, like the bottles of Johnny Walker in the original blade runner are dope.

They don't exist in reality, right? And the new bottles in Blade Runner 2049 are also dope, those don't exist in reality. We take notes, Johnny Walker. What is the deal, like make the fucking thing available? Just put the, give us a Szechuan sauce. Yeah, we want the Nike auto-lacing shoes version of the fucking Johnny Walker bottle.

Is that too much to ask? Is it? We should have it here right now. Why are we drinking the 2049 Johnny Walker black? Why? I'm kidding, anyhow. Anyhow, let's talk about what? Blade Runner's been good.

Yeah. What's going on next week? I don't know. What are we doing? We need to know. We need suggestions from the list. Yeah, what's going on next? I don't know what are we doing? We need to know we need suggestions from the list. Yeah, okay here it is. All right speed speed round speed round What should we do? What should we do this week that we're gonna talk about next week? We're diet things that can want yeah places to go Yeah, I don't know not a major time. I'm coming. No, it's fine. Nothing is a major time commit I'm very busy, but something that is

Retainable, we're not going on a retreat Like we're not gonna get and we're not gonna go to like a sex dungeon. No, I mean, I will But we're not gonna review it. I'm gonna go to a sex dungeon. I mean, that would be kind of fun. I mean, I'm gonna go but I can talk about it. No, come on. Uh, so like sex dungeon race car driving you know get a Siri girlfriend I'm not gonna. Yeah, Siri girlfriend. I'm not gonna jump out of any planes. No, not gonna go. But if you're watching this live, post in the chat, something we could do. Yeah, I mean, come on guys.

People want album reviews. We need something more ambitious. I'm only reviewing Lady Gaga. Wait, wait, somebody said that Johnny Walker is gonna do the bottle. Thomas Perez, are you serious? What, I think he's lying. He's just fucking with us.

All right, here's a chance. If that's true, we will bring it on air. If you want calls right now, 202, 688, 1697, you got some suggestions. You got five minutes tops to come up with a really fucking good idea for the next episode. If not, if not, what are we doing? We're threatening that we're going to either do fast and the furious or only draw a violent. That's the two odds.

I'm not doing so, I'm not doing it. I won't do it. I hope someone calls in because I'm on a very strict diet right now of soil it. No, of food, but it's very strict. I'm dieting like all the eating food. No, I'm dieting like a maniac right now. I need to. It's fucking amazing.

There's something to be I can't really like that. Hunger is truly exquisite, okay? Exquisite pain. No, the greatest luxury in life is to be hungry. I mean, if you're not actually hungry because you need to eat, like, it's like to just go like, I'm not gonna eat. It's an unbelievable luxury and also a torture.

It's an exquisite, you're talking philosophy from the night. Luxurious torture. That's exactly right. People are saying this bottle's happening. No, wait, what? What? Hold on, I'm clicking on this link right now.

We gotta recap it and take this data. This is huge. This is huge. Oh my god, if We guess we're Johnny Walker. Oh there it is Mother fucker I think Johnny Walker drink and Giving me the choice of different design of Johnny Walker bottles in the big running

149 that deeply touch me because I felt that there was like a commitment from Johnny Walker to try to That deeply touched me because I felt that there was like a commitment from Jenny Walker to try to Excite me. So I had Reveal Elon Musk with the design and that for me was a bit like unwrapping gift at Christmas. How do I get this bottle? How do I buy this bottle give me This I'm looking at this bottle. I gotta get this. Yeah, I get it's like the movies in theaters like okay, and oh Wow, where's the fucking bottle? There's no bottle, you can't buy this. No, I'm gonna buy it.

You can't buy it. I'm gonna buy it. Where can you buy it? The internet. This is one of the worst conversations I've ever had in my entire life. This part of it. Someone wants us to review all of Elon Musk's Mars plan in depth. Critique it.

Tell that billionaire what he's doing wrong. I think we need good. We're getting used to something better than that. That's not a great idea. I would like to just review a lot of things. Here's my review of Elon Musk. Where's all the lithium coming from? Renewable?

Really? Where's that fucking lithium come from? A renewable resource? Anyhow, you can read more about that. Here's my review of Elon Musk. A lot of people could have done that with a bill with PayPal money. I disagree. The guys are great genius, but let's see him get PR back online. Let's see him retrofit all of Puerto Rico. Yeah, before we go to Mars, can we go to Puerto

Rico? Seriously. If you're Trump, definitely not. What is this? Mountain Rose. Are you ordering? Wow, 120 bucks, Jesus. That's a little steep. Are you guys catching this right now? Wow. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this.

Oh, we're going right in. You're good. Good. That's great. We'll get you to the login right on. Okay. So there's no ideas for the show. I mean, over the past.

You guys have some furious? I guess we're doing it. I guess we're doing it. I guess we're going to do fast. Don't do that. Why are you doing that? Are you saying that? But nightmare. What a true nightmare. Anyhow.

All right. I think we got a wrap up. I almost brought a Roman here whose, look, I'm right. I got a new thing coming. It's going to blow your mind. You're right. A little bit too tough. I'm right.

My ass off right now. On some provocative technology related topics. Take that iPhone X and you know what to do with it. This guy's like Amazon Germany has it. It's like, dude, I don't live in Berlin, you know? Yet, maybe they'll review that. Berlin, what's it like to live? All right, well, if you've got suggestions

for what we can review, I want us to use the pump pre-exclusively for two weeks. Oh, this is Ryan. Two weeks is too long. A week. A week. When is the next show? Two weeks.

What's the date? Nobody here does math. Give me the date. 23rd. 23rd of October. Mm-hmm. Thanks, fans. Right on the cusp between Libra and Scorpio.

A very... No, Libra and Sagittarius? Good people to date, bad people to date. Libra and Sagittarius are Libra and Scorpio. Scorpio. Scorpio. That's a fuck. That's a dead world.

Bad people to date. You get somebody on the 23rd. Bad people to have sex with. Good people to have sex with. Both great sex. One crazy. Crazy to hell. One crazy sex. He cooled sex. One crazy. Crazy. One crazy sex. He cool. Anyhow, let's dude, Pompry. I don't want to be the only one using the Pompry. I'll do a week of Pompry.

Yes, this is my dream. My birthday is on the 19th. Or the sidekick too. My birthday is on the 19th. So it's a present to myself. We're gonna Pompry it up. Can we use like a Pompry too? Yeah, sure. I mean, the thing is- Something from the pre-line. Or the WeboFnirt is so nerdy. We're gonna palm free it up. Can we use like a palm-prede too? Yeah, sure. I mean, the thing is- Something from the pre-line or the web-alethanard is so nerdy. That's what we're doing. So, we gotta wrap up.

We'll see you next week on the web- Guys, this is great. Thank you for joining us on this experiment. The important thing is I think we got to vent. Welcome to tomorrow, 2049. This is tomorrow, 2049. You know where, where you think the guys are in charge, but actually the ladies are in charge,

or maybe they're not, maybe the ladies are just there to help the guys. So I'm clear, the important thing is, this is the crazy sexical Ryan. That's the most important addition. Like, it's like the dog. It's like Harrison Ford's dog. Drinking a whiskey?

Nobody knows if it's real. Is he real? Is he drinking whiskey? That's the important thing. No, he knows. We'll be back next week, but in two weeks with Mortomar, and apparently now, unless you guys come up with something better, we'll probably put a poll up on Twitter.

Yeah. And figure out what we're gonna do. We'll announce it on Twitter. So follow Josh at Josh with Tpulski. Josh with At Josh with Tpulski. And follow me at Ryan who's him. And probably it's gonna be, we're gonna use the palm pre for a week.

I'm so excited. Why are you excited? Because I loved WebOS and I love the idea of having one of my pocket and I love the idea of on the subway people looking at me using it. It's true. You know how you use it on the subway because you can't connect anything there. Anyhow, that's our show for this week, we'll be back next week and or sorry, two weeks and as always, we wish you and your family the very best though.

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