Tomorrow - 107: The Last Jedi

Episode Date: December 19, 2017

This week, we were planning on a nice discussion about gift giving and holiday wishlists. But then Josh saw The Last Jedi, and it became obvious that we need to talk about this movie. Was it good? Was it bad? What is a porg? There will of course be many spoilers as we answer those questions and take your calls live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, and welcome to tomorrow. I'm your host, Josh with Topolsky here with Ryan Hoolahann as always. Hi, Josh. May the fourth through with you. Please don't. Let's not do that right now. And we're here on a balmy Monday afternoon. What is it Monday? It is. To talk about Star Wars, the last Jedi, the new film and the highly successful Star Wars franchise, directed by Ryan Johnson. Ryan Hullahan. Directed by Ryan Hullahan. Directed by Ryan Johnson, the tour known for such great films as Looper, Brick, and also

the best episode of Breaking Bad Ever called Fly, I believe, is what it's called. And which is a bottle episode where there actually kind of almost literally trapped in a bottle, which is interesting. But anyhow, spoiler alert. So we're here to type with Star Wars, the last Jedi, which I have very strong feelings about. And most of those feelings are... Me too. Most of those feelings are... Me too.

...most of those feelings are very negative. Opposite. Excuse me, sorry, I'm coming off a very bad cold, because it's that season. It's the season for colds in New York, and anyhow, but the cold has not weakened my anger, my great and furious anger about the Star Wars, the new film, the Star Wars series. The series. Okay, so let's just talk about it.

I wanna say a couple of things off the top to get started. And by the way, you guys, we ought to dial in and talk to me and Ryan live about this. The number's 202-688-1697. Yes, you can call in and you can voice your opinion about the movie. But let me just be, I want to be very clear about a couple of things before we get started. Let me just say, I was surprised by how much I like the Force Awakens.

I went in with, I guess, I don't know if I had no expectations, I think they were negative expectations. Okay. And I was like, wow, this is like a kind of amazing Star Wars movie. And it was an amazing movie. like it was a great movie. And so I didn't go in, I went into this having only Red 1 review, which was the New York Times, the new movie. The last Jedi.

Did you read reviews for the other one before you? Yeah, I read Forrest Wagon's reviews. I mean, I read way more probably of that, but this one, I read the New York Times review and I had seen little bits and pieces all over Twitter of people going like, oh my God, it's so good. And all the Washington Post says the best, whatever. Actually, the Washington Post didn't say that, but I went in thinking like, okay,

well, the Force Awakens was great. Ryan Johnson's an amazing director. This cast, I love these characters, I love the cast. Like, yeah, I'm ready for a great one. You wanted to like it. I wanted to like it. I just want to say that. And I didn't have super high expectations, like it's gonna be the best movie ever,'m ready for a great one. You wanted to like it. I wanted to like it. I just want to say that. And I didn't have super high expectations, like, it's going to be the best movie ever,

but I felt like nobody goes in saying they want to hate it. But I felt like if it could be as good as the Force Awakens. The greatest hits of Star Wars. Well, yeah, but also, but just so well. I took everything that I had to work with. I just made one move. No, it's a well put together film with a lot of interesting new characters, except for that weird monster.

But a ship hated that part. But, wait, what? The monster and the ship in the first movie was Sojj Abrams, the like, which one? You know that octopus-looking thing that we don't really get a clear picture of? I hate that whole part.

It's stupid. I'm sorry, but I'll take that over the indigenous housekeepers of, opposite, of love of a fishman. A love of fishman. A love of fishman. A love of fishman opposite of opposite love of a skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. I live.

No love a fish. And there's something really weird about I was so fan of men. So about those nuns. So let's just get into it. So what I want to say is like I didn't go into this like I'm not I'm not I'm not like a Jedi like

Oh I subscribe to the logic of all Jedi Shit, you know, I'm like I don't care like you can bend the rules, you can break the rules. A lot of people, because I complained about on Twitter and they're like, sorry, it ruined your childhood. And it's like, no, I don't have a childhood connection to this, it's like, I just, here's what I'm mad about.

Mm-hmm. It's not a good film, okay? From a film perspective, from the perspective of like, is this story, does this story make sense? Do I believe in the things that happen in the plot? Do I believe what the characters are doing? Do I feel satisfied with like the way that they've structured these? Like pretty much on all of the levels of like whether it's,

or not the plot of the film was carried out in a way that felt like a good movie. I think it, I think it broke apart. I think what you're picking up on and what I also saw, but it didn't bother me, was that we were watching two movies that were pushed together We said you definitely could have got stories. I should have cut there. Oh, I should just say there's gonna be massive spoilers on this Oh, yes, I'm a master's boiler was watching a hearing idiot if you haven't seen the last Jedi and you're watching this Just don't watch it. Just go back. I don't want to admit our audience But I just think like you should not you should say that but um, there were two separate movies. It's 40 minutes too long.

Yes, and had they been separate movies they would have been their program length. No, there's an amazing narrative about two characters, which is Kylo Ren and Ray. Amazing narrative there. Oh really, you think it's like- You didn't like Rose? Please, I mean they turned Finn into fucking comic relief.

They gave him a sidekick that's like, a barely thought out character. That's a great way. Oh my God. I mean, this is such a, it was such a, I love it. A such an abuse of the character of Finn. What an amazing character they had.

From the first movie. You've never seen this before, a stormtrooper who turned to the, he's with the rebels now. What an rich place to build a story. And instead, they're like, hey, go off and be a bumbling idiot on Casino land. Well, I don't think.

And Casino, just because you make a bond. Just because you make a bond. Just because you change your morality and you make one change to your world view and your philosophy, I don't think that means that you're ready to be a superhero. Like Luke Skywalker had to learn.

I don't know. I think he didn't had to learn. No one says he has to be a superhero. He just has to not be given a storyline, which is a pile of garbage. I don't think it's a pile of garbage. Okay, let's talk about, let's get through. Let's actually go ahead, we're gonna say.

I think the character of Rose was essentially like, what if you weren't a Skywalker or pulled into this or you wouldn't change in sides? Like what if you were just one of the people who's entire lives, like hashtag me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. This is not normal, but a star wars. I get the little people. like what if you were just one of the people who's entire lives like hashtag me. This is not normal, but a star wars. I get the little people.

And it was cool to see one of those people have to come down to earth and learn about them rather than be like, oh, we blew up another ship of innocence. Like those innocents have lives. And one of those people had to learn. But they never, well, he doesn't, there's very little connection made. He's like, oh, wait, these horses seem cool and then like,

wait, they're whipping the kids too. That's not cool. Like, he has a revelation about the entirety of his universe. He has a revelation about like the people in casino world. But the revelation about the entirety of his universe is in the first movie and now it's becoming real for him. I don't think so. I think the revelation was like,

I don't want to be a storm trooper and then he's like the storm troopers, storm troopers stand for all the things that are wrong. But like, okay. All right, we have calls. I'm sure we do, but wait, I wanna talk about, before we get to the call, we're gonna get your calls, but I wanna talk about a few of the things.

We'll be there. Let me just say this, also, I really wanna be clear. There are moments in this film that are fucking amazing. Fantastic. I would say there are probably is my second favorite of, now I would say third favorite moment of any Star Wars movie ever in this movie. What moment?

The, the, the, I mean, I even hate to say that I'm sorry because it allowed because if you haven't seen it, it's so fucking good. Please don't listen to this next thing. If you have not seen this movie, I beg of you. But the scene where the scene where, where Ray goes to meet Kylo Ren and they fight in the, oh amazing. The Snoke scene? Amazing. The most amazing, I call that the crazy idiot. No, no, no. I mean, I, well, the fight, but the, but the, but the Snoke, the killing of snow.

The whole thing was amazing. I mean, I have to tell you, how could you not look at that and be like, hold me, we're in so first off, you know, like, I've, you know, that stuff empire strikes back. That sucks. We're trying to have the Jedi blow. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, that's not true.

There's a lot of grace out there. Ewoks suck. Porgs rely. You know what, I'm sorry. Ewoks and Porgs are very similar. Actually, Ewoks have more character. Porgs is so exciting. A lot a lot of grace out there. Ewoks, pourgs for life. You know what? I'm sorry, Ewoks and pourgs are very similar. Actually, Ewoks have more characters. Pourgs is so exciting. A lot more going on with, I mean, how do you,

I'm sorry, the pourgs are sentient enough to see, to be, to cry because one of their guys has been burned up and is being eaten by Chubaka. One of my cats died down. They're on a sad about it. But there's a key note. But they're cool to, they're cool to, but they'll hang out with Chubaka anyhow.

Sure. I don't think so. Anyhow, the poor, just another terrible characterization in the film, but, but, but there's some amazing scenes, like the scene where Laura Dern's character rams the incredible cuts through the ship of light speed. The scene where Laura Dern, that's why I have a lot of problems with Laura Dern's character. Oh my god. Oh, so many. OK, but the old- Give people quickly, Colin. Yeah, like, all the scenes, all of the scenes with Ray and Kylo Ren communicating and talking. Oh, unbelievable. Unbelievable.

I mean, funny, heartfelt, like, JK Rowling thought she was doing in Harry Potter, but like, done with actual character dynamics and like- Never did read it, so I wouldn't read it. All right. Well, but the collars now. But I should think that this film could have been, it had so many great materials to be the right to move the story in the right direction.

I feel like really moved it with this, like, I mean, it barely moved the story and now all we can do for the final film is watch Kyla Ren, Be Evil, and Ray be good and have them fight. Because they cut out all of the tension of what's going on in the universe now. And it's like there's a tiny bit of rebel alliance left and there's Kylo out of control, fully evil, MRA, Pua, but you know, I think it get so rejected to have the two leaders of the entire empire. Why does he even want to fuck with the first order?

He doesn't seem like a fascist to me. He doesn't seem like he wants to control the good galaxy. But I think he's mad at his parents and he wants to be like a badass. You can say the same thing about the alt, right? Right? Like you could say the same thing of like, I don't think you have an overarching.

No, they want to run the universe. But I don't think so. I think a lot of it's disaffected people who don't know what to do. And it seems like an easy answer. And I think that there's a lot of like, alt-right, Pua, MRA shit going on with his character. Like, he definitely is like a men's rights activist.

Like, when he's like rejected by everybody at the end and he's like all low and like that. And then he says to Ray, like, we could rule the universe like when that he's so great. And he doesn't understand that that's exactly what she's arguing against. Like that point of the rebellion is that, like, you, I thought that stuff was great.

And I actually think that his motivation, all of the hurt that you see of that character, is wonderful. And it's a totally different kind of villain in the Star Wars universe. I just felt like the film itself, like, let's just talk about some of the kind of fundamentals of the movie.

Let me say one part that I love. Let me just say one thing about Kylo that I love. Well, two things. One, the shirt, the D cup pack. The shirtless scene. It's so good. Two. I like that.

They pointed out that his helmet wasn't anyone's ideas, but his. So in the universe, it's very, it's very reddit. I mean, it's in the universe of it. It would be as if it's none of the other nights of random anyone else is wearing helmet. It'd be like I came in to hear with a helmet. No, it's right. Well, he's kind of like, he's kind of like, he's like a, he's like a hot topic kid. No, he's kind of, but he's also kind of like a golf.

Yeah, yeah. He's got a hot topic kid. He's like, he's like the universe is great as golf. Yeah. He's like, where's like a black, weird black trench coat for reasons that I don't think. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's like, thank you. But like, so here's the thing.

You know, the, so here's what, so there are some amazing characters in plot points in this film. But there's a lot of stuff that I, like really, I feel like insults the audience, right? One is so many of the things that happen, the core plot of the film is driven by a Deus X machina. Essentially it's like, oh, they don't have enough fuel to do this, but they've got enough

that they can stay a certain distance. Every one of our ships, there is no ship that can get close enough to fire on them. So now we're just in, I mean, it's complete bullshit. And then it's like, and then it's like, but and all the tracking, tracking device. Also they were like, we have to go, we're running out of time. We've only got 18 hours.

Yeah, it's so cool. Why also figure out a thing? No, they're also like, they're also like, talk to the snack, talk it out. No, I'm sorry. They're like, they're tracking us through light speed. They're trying, four times people are like, how can they track us through light speed?

And it's like, yeah, how can they? I wish somebody would fucking explain it in the movie because it never gets explained. Well, I think technology has started to progress. Oh, it's just some reason. Because, but never before, including in the force of wake and said we heard about such a technology. And yet now it is the main device

by which the rebel alliance has been- I don't want to blow your mind, but someone invented a microchip and we have the same amount of progress and that amount of time. But you'd be like- You'd be like- I don't want to blow your mind, but someone invented a microchip and we have the same amount of progress and that amount of time. But you'd be like- I didn't rogue one. You'd be like,

rogue one is set in the past. What does rogue one have to do with it? Well, in rogue one, like they're talking about technology's progression and then like- I'm not against the idea of technology progressing. I'm against the idea that they're like, everybody's like,

holy shit, how can they track us through lights being, and nobody wants to investigate. They're not like, let's find out. They're like, well, they must have a GPS on board, but this is just break through GPS. It's like, holy shit, how can they track us through lights being, and nobody wants to investigate. They're not like, let's find out. They're like, well, they must have a GPS on board, but this is break through GPS. It's like, totally get it. Like, if they can't find you, they can't track you, but like, they can track you somehow,

but for some reason we're not talking about how. Okay, that's just one little thing. Okay, that's just, what's that? Oh, they want us to take a call. Okay, there's a demand. The demand that we take a call. Well, come back to this. I have a lot more points, but I just want to say, just before to take a call. Okay, there's a demanding, the demanding that we take a call. Well, come back to this. I have a lot more points, but I just want to say,

just before we take this call, I just want to say that there is this, where I think, like the kind of core plot of the film, of the two film, almost everything, I'm sorry, almost everything in this movie, even Luke Skywalker, he's like, I haven't decided to die. It's like, why? Leah, Leah, you suddenly using the force of the first time ever

to bring herself back to life and outer space and float back into a ship. It's like, I'm sorry. The Leah thing, my fault. No, it's cool. Because in the first movie, there's no force lightning and no one questioned when it came in. So she's using a new force power.

No, I don't have a problem with that. But a new, first off, Akbar's killed offscreen. Okay, that was bullshit. That was bullshit. But Leah, and we should have given us some emotional rest of the whole shit they just killed Leia at the fucking beginning of this movie.

I was like, okay, they're gonna make sense. They would kill her. But then it's like, this is kind of cool, but also why? She's in a coma for the rest of the movie. What's the point of showing us that she can use the force? But what's the point of promoting Laura Duren

is because you needed to kill a character? Why not have Akbar be the fucking character who has the suicide-battering RAM that would be so emotional, isn't it? So there would have been a cooler arc for Laura Duren to do a Hunger Games style, like President Koyne, where you're like, oh my gosh, like this president that I invested in

is just as bad as the other people. But also, yeah, I mean, Laura Duren's character is like a throwaway, just a foiled of poetry. They could have done something with her. A poem, a poem, a poem. A poem, a poem, a poem, a poem. A poem, a poem, a poem. A poem, a poem, a poem.

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A poem, a poem. A poem, a poem. A poem, a poem. A poem, a poem. A poem, a poem. A poem. A poem. A poem, a poem. A poem. A poem. that the sexual tension between Finn and Poe and this movie. It's great. But every time he makes a decision somebody dies and at the end they're like, maybe he'd be a good leader though.

It's like, no, he wouldn't. He literally killed, he decimated all of them. Also, Finn is responsible. But I do like the idea that leaders take action, especially in this universe. That's, yeah, but they take action. Their action is getting everybody blown up. Okay, let's take a call.

Let's take a call. Okay, let's take a call. We're not going to get it. I'm sorry, this movie actually is full of terrible holes and plot points and nobody seems to care. And people, okay, here's what bothers me because I am ran to hell. They're all full of waddles. But here's every story with food. I understand that.

No, I get it. Magic and technology. No, no, no, no, no, that's not an excuse. You can't be like, it's magic. So anything goes. No, no, no, no. Magic only works when there are fucking rules. No, I'm saying that.

The reason why Anakin goes to the fucking dark side is because he can't get what he needs from the light. Oh, but that's a rule. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that the magic has holes, the technology has holes, the character development has always had holes. It's not just holes, that's not the point.

No, but this is what bothers me is that this movie's like a C, people are treating it like it is fucking citizencane. I don't think that. It is not B plus Okay, let's take some calls Alenko from Bulgaria. Oh wow Oh Alenko welcome to the show Hello

No, he's gone. Alenko Well, it's so excited to call our first call from Bulgaria, but that's a oh Alango we just like we just lost him as he could talk call us back in calls back in you. Yeah, we'll let you right back Listen, we're not the switchboard is very touchy. John's we got a trigger trigger finger calling from St. Louis is calling Call from St. Louis. Let's hear it. And we'll get a link go back How do guys? Hi So first of all, I want to say that I actually enjoyed the force. No, not the force, but like in the last Jedi, unlike I guess the majority of people on Rotten

Sonata at this point. But I think complainers rise to the top. No, no, no, let's, sorry, let's go ahead. My main beef with this movie and there are many but uh... i just really didn't like that eliminated a lot of the subplots from uh... force awakens and i'm just not really wondering about a single thing going into the next movie uh... me like no really loose and like raise parents okay i get i think it's a really fine idea to be

like oh your parents are nobody's but like you literally set up these massive mysteries On purpose in the force awakens who the hell is snowkin? What does he want to do? Mm-hmm, and what does he want with Kylo Ren? And what does he want with Ray and? And I think it's an interesting statement to be like it doesn't fucking matter. Okay, but that's like but that's like making a statement like They're all this here for a fun ride like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, actually started a really nice linear progression there. And by the way, it historically, and I'm not like a person who needs to have it be historically accurate, but like,

it was important to reign the first film that she found out who her parents were. It was a major point. It was like, do you think this is the real reveal? Or is this a fall? I don't know, but I think- A fall's back. Well, if it's, but I don't know, but I think.

A fall back. Well, if it's that, then it's extremely cheap. I think it's an extreme, that's like, it's like he dies at the end of the season, then like the start of the next season, it's like, oh, it was just, he just got shot in the shoulder. No, but this might be a good character progression for Ray. And then, you know, you pull the rule out from under her.

Maybe, I'm sorry, the thing about Snoke, I think it's, I have two questions about Snoke. One, why, why, why just kill him off with no backstory? I mean, I sort of like, I sort of like it because it's so fucking brazen. It was like really amazing. Like, oh, you're just gonna kill this guy, but then it's like, why did he have to be CGI?

I really don't understand this. He seems so fake. And like, he's just a guy with a fucked up face. You definitely could have done some prosthetics. What was the point of him being CGI anyhow sorry sorry con con continue to complain about to your issues uh... ryan second ago you said something about you know that burning the books mhm they weren't burned

they weren't burned you can see them in a drawer uh... yeah you actually said like there's nothing in that tree that rated already have uh... literally she stole the she has them yet like they should fit in like opening a drawer something right and

like the books are in there i have a question did everybody i want to see just sitting right really quickly that i'm one of the most annoying things about this movie was the kid at the end but i I just wanna say the little kid. That's the most, that's the most disgusting of all of the plot lines in this, is like, here comes the next generation.

I don't think that's what they were doing. Can I? Yes, they definitely were, but can I ask a question? Is this well established that everybody knows that this is what we're supposed to see. When he picks up the broom, he uses the force to grab it. Yeah.

Okay, so everybody saw that. That's not like a thing that I imagined. No, that's not. Okay, I'm sorry that. That's not like a thing that I imagined. No, that happened. Okay, I'm sorry. It's like, their Jedi's everywhere. It's like basically Disney going like, we can make these movies for fucking ever. Now we can cut off the whole sky walker.

No, but I also forgot for the idea of the like the Middoclorian stuff is bullshit. We don't care about that. It's, you know, everybody has the power within them. The Middoclorians are still in the mix. You don't know. But we're not gonna talk about it because who gives a shit?

No, I mean, that's stupid, but I'm sorry, gonna talk about it because it gives a shit no i mean that's stupid but i'm sorry this may have a lot in common with the fan of that is that disagree i love there is a racing scene and other racing scene the fucking all the animal tie-ins all the fucking no they really are they got fantasy on this one the fucking i'm sorry the crystal the crystal crystal foxes get out of here i love them the little The Pokemon. Where are you going to say calling the worst similarity with the

the fans of men and says the stupid comic release every 10. Oh my god. It's so I will say they could have turned that down. The worst. No, the worst. I also am. And also some of the dialogue is straight up George Lugan. Every single character in the jar. Yeah. You know what? Actually, Laura, my wife was saying, like, because Han Solo is dead and nobody they have they don't have the comic relief anymore. It's like everybody's picking up the fly for Han Solo. It should have been like the wise cracking whatever. There could have been, I mean, look, some of the jokes are really good. Like the iron joke

is amazing, but like, I'm sorry, like there's just stuff that is, yeah, I mean, the joke, I actually don't mind the comic relief that much. It was a little bit over the top. But it could have been turned down one night like hux didn't need to be to overpower the actual plot uh... like the first two acts of the movie i just could not pay attention to what was actually going on it's totally boring i was constantly being pulled out of it yeah no no no i mean there like i like the opening guy i get the hot pulled out of stuff when it's too,

like there's no humor, there's no lightness, like when it's just pure darkness. Well, well, well, well, well. But I get pulled out of stuff. I thought the opening thing with Hock's wear, where Pose, fucking with him, I thought was really funny. And I thought that opening, that was a great gambit. Like the bomb thing was really strong.

But like, I do think they went a little bit too far with some of the joke. I mean, it's just like, it just felt like every scene- A lot of dream works face, a lot of like, yeah, like every scene felt like it needed. I'll tell you what, I'm sorry, you was really fantasy and basically George Lucas level dialogue is when they're on the casino planet. And she's like, I love to smash this whole crazy, this beautiful, horrible world. And it's like serious fucking like I roll. Like you're trying to do some like Casablanca level dialogue.

And it just is very clunky. I don't know. It's all right. Thank you for your call. Thank you. We've got a link go back. A link, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. Hi hi guys. Hi. Sorry about before. Yeah, how are you? Oh, that's fine. I think my phone drop. I saw the movie. I have a few points to your discussion. I saw the movie on iMac this Friday. And on the scenes with no and Kylo Ren,

And on the scenes with Snoke and Kylo Ren, it because they were very, very, very much close-ups, for a moment I thought that the CGI of Snoke is better than the cameras that are shooting real people. Which is very funny. That's interesting. You're like Kylo Ren looks less real than Snoke. Yeah, I can see that. No, I mean, it was really good.

Some of his makeup actually was kind of fake looking. I thought I loved the amount of puppetry Yeah, well, yeah, that was back in the middle. Oh, so good. All right, so that's an interesting point. Yeah, I know Yeah, that that that was like I was like what is happening here and In the TV movie or now it came to the point where I can look worse Yeah, but snow couldn't walk I mean I don I don't get a little hitch in his get along, but snow also looked CGI when he was walking. Like, there was a moment in motion. I kept saying, everything here looks photorealistic

when it's frozen. It's something is still unreal about the motion. It's like, it's like, maybe just don't get... But the puppets look good, I thought. Even if you don't like them, those eyes find those where puppets and they looked fantastic. Those were puppets. Those were puppets.

Yoda was a puppet. Some of the poor, some of the puppets were in. Wait, the ice fantastic those repuppets those repuppets Yoda was a puppet some of the poor Exemplars puppetry the ice fought the ice foxes were puppet. Yeah, they footage of that. They look at up earlier They look like CGI to me. Yeah, they look. Oh, I thought they look great But anyway, you wanted to call it about toys I like I just want just wanted to say that I thought that No, no, I just wanted to say that I thought that the director was given a point like you should put every living or dead character in Star Wars universe in the movie because we can self-toil.

So that's why in a obscure moment where Luke wants to destroy the book, just Yolopop's up, because he's bad. Yeah, then the lightning and destroy everything in like what is happening here? Yeah, why did they bring up mask and not when they call my god? So fighting something. No, it's so cheesy. No, and she was like, she was like, it's a union dispute, which is so dumb. It's like not even about the plot. It's like, I'm just having a fight. And how, because usually a communication, if that was something like the camera, like they don't have media in this movie,

they don't have newspapers, they don't remember anything, from an episode, everything is retooled. That's why the children again, like told the story of a looks skywalker, like this is a good thing about this. Star Wars universe, if you can imagine a world without a media that's what it is and now they call mask and that and she she's short from something like a drone that goes around her yeah and she

kills people in fights and like why is this ever occurring i mean what's happening here i mean i think the director got an order to bring back every four years. I think the last, these are the things that they'll tie into the last movie. Like that you need to just be full of ties. You mean like the retcon dice that they're like, okay, now admittedly, I've seen some photos. There are dice at some point hanging in the Millennium Falcon, but they never, are never, ever, ever part of any films, okay, except for this one.

And that's something they're like, he's dice. And I was like, when they first showed them, I was like, and also that little symbol, they're heard a little, the thing that Rose is wearing. I've never seen that symbol before. Is that in the other movies? I don't know. Okay, but the fact that you don't fucking know is like,

they're basically like, they're so abusive of the audience here. They're like, you won't care. We're gonna put it in and say it's part of the mythology and you'll just believe it, because you're a sucker. And it's like, well, why don't you actually use things going to put it in and say it's part of the mythology and you'll just believe it because you're a sucker. And it's like, well, why don't you actually use things from the mythology? Like, I think that's a great idea. But like, don't retcon some fucking dice and it make it seem like we're supposed to know what they are.

This is a little bit off topic, but someone wrote in and said that, by the way, thank you for calling in on the line. Yeah. Thank you. That was a great point. The toy thing is really funny. That's a really interesting thing. Someone wrote, maybe Snokes is not dead and what we were seeing was a hologram, a

Luke. No, he was cutting half and then his legs falling to the ground. I think they, I think they make that clear when Hux is standing there in the legs, slide off the chair. Yeah. Like that was, I mean, maybe he should have put on that gold top that was like, yeah, I agree. I, I, I just also say like, um, I mean, I feel like there's so much in this movie that is, I said this already about the fuel thing,

but there's so many moments in this film that are just like, we need something to help the plot work. So we'll just make up. McGuffin. Or a day's time to knock. And like some kind of, right, so there's a fuel when they bring, okay, first off, they're like, oh, there's new gun, it's death start, portable death start

attack, it's like, that's interesting. That's, feels like maybe star, portable death star attack. It's like, well, that's interesting. That's, it feels like maybe we should have heard a little bit more about, never heard about that being deployed anytime, but like we know that it exists. It's like, okay, fine. But they're like, but it needs to warm up. So we have just enough time to develop a plot. And they had a few too many.

We're gonna develop the plot, we'll just get some, we'll give them just enough time to get away while they're warming up the gun or whatever, you know? And like the thing with Luke, him force projecting when he's parts of him are real, parts of him aren't, I mean fine. Okay, force projections of thing now. Okay, cool, whatever.

If that's what you want to do, he leaves the dice. He hands the dice to Leia. Leia leaves the dice. She's like, I don't care about these dice. Not important to her at all. Kyla ran, picks up the dice, Leia. Leia leaves the dice there. She's like, I don't care about these dice. Not important to her at all. Kyla ran picks up the dice, but then they dissolve. It's like the dice only lasts for a certain amount of time. Is that the deal?

He's like force projecting to make sure these there they're long enough for him to pick them up. Like I don't, there's just like, there's so many like little like weird logic holes that made it so unsatisfying and made it seem like so. Like all the films have these. No, really? Let's think of them in the Forza Awakens.

Let's talk about some of the logic holes in the Forza Awakens. I haven't seen it again recently. It'll help us with this. Okay, I mean, do you remember anything standing out that you're like, that doesn't make any sense? I mean, just even the stuff were like when the post should have died

and they didn't kill him because they were like, this is a popular guy. What do you mean, why? With that like crash? He got away. Yeah, but that doesn't make any sense. Why? People start off crashes. Okay. away. Yeah, but that he doesn't make any sense. Why? People start off crashes.

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Visit netgear.com slash ORB, that's netgear.com ORBI. All right, let's take some more calls. We have Ryan from Chicago. Ryan. Ryan, what? Tell us something good. Two Ryan's on him more calls. We have Ryan from Chicago. Ryan. Ryan, what, tell us something good. Two Ryan's on him one job. Hey, how's it going?

How are you? What's up? What are you numbering? Yes, seriously. What do you think about the film? So, I'm going to talk about something that I liked about the film and I'm not saying any of you guys are wrong with what you're criticizing, but I liked it. I liked it too. I enjoyed it, but I liked it. I liked it, too.

I enjoyed it, but I thought it had a lot of problems. I don't disagree with that. Yes. But I still are on the side of good. Yeah. One thing that I think that the last set I did a lot better than the Force Awakens is not do so many callbacks. To be honest, the Force Awakens was pretty much a remake almost of a new hope in terms of content.

You have Ray on the desert island, desert planet. You have the mentor cut down by the evil guy at the end and everything in between. It felt very much like I was watching a new hope all over again for new audiences. I mean, Jedi. Yeah, it's a great attitza, mom. Yeah, I mean, to agree, but Ray and Luke are not the same character. I mean, yes, they're both on a, they're both like essentially orphans on a desert planet.

But I wouldn't say that their story arcs. It's not like, I mean, Luke gets drafted by Obi-Wan Kenobi, I mean essentially, or drafts himself. Like, I don't know if it's exactly the same. I mean, I feel like their story arcs are actually different. They just happen to both be undezard. Ray has more get up and go and Ray is also more conflicted. I also think Ray is more powerful than Luke,

both as a character and like, insure abilities. I agree with that. And I think that makes for different choices when you have more power. And I think what's interesting to watch, especially nowadays, through the lens of we have a more empowered youth who has more power for communication

and political change, and that makes your choices heavier. And you can't trust that there will always be someone to tell you what to do, because the circumstances are completely different than they've ever been. Sure. And I think that's interesting that the films take all of that into consideration. Definitely an anti-Trump film. I mean, it was saying, fuck the boomers, fuck the snow, the side-trump.

We don't see the world by like fighting what we hate. We save what we love. And I was like, I thought it was the Alamo draft out, so it's very drunk. Oh, God, I didn't have it. All right, so, okay, so, so the force away can you felt like was a was just a reboot of a new hope You like this film because it's not because it's not Yeah, it subverted a lot of the expectations that folks have I Don't know what that last plan was the salt planet.. But they showed that, they showed the AT's.

I don't think those were actually AT-AT's at different feet. And they're like, oh my God, it's that same fucking thing is. Yeah, you could definitely swear. It's the exact same thing as Empire strikes back with Hoth and the Escape. Yeah. And then they're like, oh, yeah, this is salt. Yeah. So what else do they subvert? Yeah.

I mean, these are minor subversions. Right. They didn't copy, they didn't copy a movie. I agree. This is not a copy of any movie. But the fan of menace was a brand new movie too. I mean, it was a little bit. You want to see some original Star Wars story telling that doesn't emulate any of the

old ones. Watch the first three, the one, two, and three that George Luke is to those are very original. They're very original. You could never see those plots coming. How dare you? How dare you? Fan of Manus. But there's also, I mean, there's moments in this too, we're like two Jedi, like a Jedi

and I don't know if we're calling, like a first order guy. But at one point are are fighting together against an enemy with their two different fighting styles like that was cool to see No, that scene was the fucking equals should have delivered on that stuff the prequel should have delivered on I have a different mentor and now it's the opposite where I want knowledge from the mentor and the mentor won't give it to me as opposed to the You know revenge of the Sith is actually got some really I mean you need to watch. I mean revenge of the Sith actually in fact I's got some really amazing moments. Yeah, it's got some moments. It's just one thing you need to watch. I mean, revenge of the Sith actually, in fact, I have to say, you need the other time. The similarities between Anakin in revenge of the Sith

and Kylo Ren here were really striking to me. And also a little bit with Ray, like not in revenge of the Sith, but in those, that was the attack of the clones. There's some similarities where she's like, I don't know, am I good at my bad? I don't know. I like, I know what I need to do.. I don't care how I have to do it.

Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong. Like, those movies are bad. Yeah. Like, they're really, they're good. There's good ideas. Isn't there? They're quite bad. I mean, I watched the phantom medis recently. And a lot of people are like, you could re-edit it and make a good, no, the dialogue is disgusting. Like they really, I don't know what fucking the clone planet's the worst thing I've ever seen. George Lucas needed like better glasses during the making of this stuff.

Yeah, like he's like, this is totally real. It's like no, it definitely looks like people are floating on a green screen. No, Yoda has turned into a rubbery hot shot. No, I did like the fact that they used the puppet Yoda. Yeah, that was good. I thought that was a good pushback. We were watching the Empire Strikes Back the next day.

And, you know, it's like, I mean, Yoda looks fake in that, but he's more real. Yeah. Like he's real. He's a real thing. You know, I'd rather that. Anyway, thank you for your call Ryan. Yeah, sorry, I don't know if we let you really get

your whole thought out there, but it's burdened amazing. Then's the breaks. Yeah, do we have any other calls? Yeah, we've got Nerd T-Way, which I think is how you pronounce it please correct me when you got on here from Seattle we're gonna find out hello how do you pronounce your name do we get it or did he blow it did I blow it no he blew it oh how do you pronounce it no it's narrow it okay okay cool all right there may be a spelling error on my thing that's all okay he's

blaming on a technical error but we're on the booth that's all that let's talk about what did you think of the film yeah i thought it was great comedy they really focused on the comedy is made just to hope first order feel so comical uh... general hubs felt like space balls plus no guarantees.

I mean, I thought like at the beginning with Hux, like at first I was like, oh my god, this character sounds so ridiculous. And then I was like, oh, they're making, they're blowing it out of proportion to show this, like how he's being made fun of. But now that I think of it, I'm like, why? Like, why would you, I mean, I get that the,

the military guys are cartoonish like bad guys But like yeah, they're in your fucking world like they're not like that in the in the force awakens Like they're just like military guys. Yeah, you know now they're like buffoons. They're like hoagans heroes I guess go ahead carry on Yeah, like you know if you look at the original trilogy you can see grandma Tarquin and so on you're like oh Yeah, they got here because they were skilled or whatever but then first ordered a just all incompetent the films and I mean the way they took out phase and I'm bothered me because she didn't seem ever to be incompetent She seemed to have a clear character directive of like I knew I know who I am

I know what I want and I'm not I'm not like character had does not exist, but I don't know Maybe I'm protecting I'm sorry. I really like that character and the force away that they get rid of it Really, I think this goes for the force away against with that character that she All the only reason she exists is because they like Wendell and Christie and they wanted to make that shiny suit Like I literally think the only reason that that that character exists is because They thought it would look cool. I guess it just feels like a way of some opportunity for us to get more insight onto the philosophy of someone who's in the first order. I also think the problem with the prequels is that we should have been sold on the dark side

a little bit more. We should have been like, this seems like a valid choice. Like this is a different philosophy. We don't know what the dark side actually, what they want. We don't know what Kylo Ren wants either. That's like we're bad. And also especially the story with Luke, where he felt threatened and thought about killing him and then Kylo Ren reacted to that.

It almost gives him, you're like, well maybe he just like, he got pushed into this and like he doesn't really want to be doing this. It almost seemed like when he was talking to Ray, it was like, maybe you could like join force with him and then just convince him to like, stop blowing things up. But I think what the point was that given that power, like power crops and I shouldn't have all of it. I mean, maybe, does it?

I don't know. I don't think that's true. Thank you for your call. Wait, is that it? Is that all you have for us? No, but one more thing. Well, like the movie has no weight or there's just never any stakes because you never actually believe

that the bad guy's going to call this anything. Yeah, it's true. Like, because you never actually believed that the bad guy's gonna accomplish anything. Yeah, it's true. Like, there was never a question. I mean, they killed a lot of anonymous people. Yeah. They killed Laura Dorn who they introduced a brand new character for 45 minutes and got rid of her.

Akbar is annoying that they killed him off screen. And I know that I'm not doing it. I know that I'm not the only person who feels this way. They took a beloved character and they gave him the death of like literally any random person in a ship that you never even see. I kind of feel like that was their way of being like, we don't give a shit about it.

I get it, they're like we don't care. But they also don't care about the intelligence of their fans, which is to say, they don't care if the plots don't make any sense or if all the characters that you were building up actually are buffoons, like Poe and Finn aren't just like slight fuck ups. They're responsible for the deaths of hundreds

of thousands of people based on what I saw on this film. But I mean, that's what happens in a war. And he tries to make people are gonna die. Yeah, I understand that, but these are art. We're supposed to root for these characters. Like, always winking at each other. Yeah. Because they're going to make out later. Or they're definitely going to make out.

Yeah. I mean, that's the first question for you guys. Yeah. So, which is, what do you think about the whole color and rate skype plot device? I liked it. So at first I was like, what the fuck's going on? And I was almost, I was like, almost like this sucks. But I think that the, that they're such great actors

and those scenes were... And the characters are so parallel. Yeah, and those scenes were so well written that originally I was like, right at the beginning, I was like, this is annoying. But I very quickly was like, okay, I'll allow it. I don't allow this because like, their interaction was so good.

But like, you know, what would have been better? Like them? And I like that Snoke was like, I was doing it. And I don't think he was. I think he knew it was happening and was like, I was doing it. And I don't think he was. I think he knew it was happening and he was mind-fucking with them. I don't think he was doing it. I think those two are destined to take each other out.

And that'll be the balance. I think what happened. They'll both die. He was doing it. And they'll rebuild the universe without them. I mean, they could end up making out, right? They're not brother and sister. Yeah, they could make out.

I mean, they could like, everyone could make out. I'll be honest with you, if Ray, if Ray's Kylo Ren. If Ray Kylo Ren don't fuck in the next movie, I'll be very upset. I'll be very upset. But they can have some crazy forced sex. Yeah, like on Buffy when she took down a house. Yeah, I think you should forced sex.

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Okay, Laura Duren's hair, is she? I loved it. No, is she an alien? An alien in their race, their only thing is they have weird colored hair. I think so. Or is she a human being, or a human, whatever they call the humans in this,

I don't know what they're called humans. I don't know. Is she like a non alien? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think she's an alien. Who died her hair purple?

No, I think she's an alien. In which case, I'm like, you're part of the rebel lines. You're fighting for your life and you have time to fucking get some manic panic. I don't know. Carrie Fisher had time to do a lot of hair styles. She has a team. She has a team.

She has a crew. Um, I think, yes, sure. Either way, I'm fine with it. I do. My parents' character was so bad. I took away the shoes and alien. I like character. You know what I, at the beginning, she reminded me a lot of a Hillary Clinton where everyone

hates her. No, no, no, no. I shouldn't. At the beginning, I really liked, I really liked the inner play where it was like, oh, yeah, Poe, you're like an impetuous guy who's fucking everything up for everybody. And she's like a mature, clear headed woman who's taking command, awesome.

But then like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Let's see another call. All right, we've got Kevin from Scotland. I'm excited about our accent. I'm not gonna imitate it, but I will at home later. Kevin lay it on us.

Yeah. Hey guys, I just, there's two main things. I mean, there's hundreds of things wrong with the film, but I do see things. I was fucked. The first order, current catch, the resistance fleet. Ridiculous. No ship. No ship. No fucking ship ship get to the base capabilities right yeah all the sudden no ship can reach the sorry sorry the millennia fault can leave a tool and get to the first order ships and drop off free but the the first order ships can't jump forward and get ahead of it they don't have right they literally

right I totally agree with this they don't have a ship in their right in their fleet and they've a fucking dread not yeah but they don't have, right, they literally, right, I totally agree with this. They don't have a ship in their right in their fleet and they've a fucking dreadnought. Yeah, but they don't have, or they used to, they don't have a ship. I mean, it sounds like they have several dreadnoughts, right? Yeah, but like, they don't have, they don't have a millennium falcon level ship that will can fly over there. It's clear that they're like, yeah, that doesn't it. that there were in the Star Wars universe, there were flying at sublight speeds, so all they've got to do is use hyperspace. I mean, everybody flies about everywhere in hyperspace. Yeah. Do they address that about? They flew a cantobreight through hyperspace and go back to the first order fleet, but they can't just send half their fleet forward using hyperspace. Yeah. I mean, they should have addressed that.

You're saying they could get in front of them essentially. Yeah. I mean, it's a hyperspace. See, this is what I'm talking about. It's so insulting. It's like as a plot, as the main plot device as to why all of us people are still alive. It's like this completely solvable problem

that I get the first order, they're all fucking. They should have addressed that. You know that there's one scientist on the fucking ship that's like, hey, you know we could just fly the ships in front of it. I also think that maybe there was a story that they wanted to tell and they were retrofitting the Logistics of the universe, but they shouldn't have done perhaps they should have said where are the chess pieces and where do we want to move them as opposed to saying like I'd like to see a movie where this happens just a million other ways they could have yeah

There's no million other games. I got that. I got that. All right. What else what else do you have for us here? I got that. I got that. What else do you have for us here? A treatment of the Luke Skywalker as a character just seems totally in congress with everything that we've known from the previous trilogy. And what what? We've taken a guy who's come from a desert planet and become a hero for the Emperor and yn ymdyn y hir o'r ffot ympararn ddarthfeder, a'r ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymdyn ymd his nephew has killed his best friend and assisted in the genocide of millions of people in a destroyer whole star system. He still thinks I'm just going to sell him this planet.

Yeah, I will say. I will say, Skywalk are from the previous trilogy. I mean, I've heard this from you. He's thinking that you would jump straight back into the eye. How did he not, I'm sorry, at the end, he's a force projection. It's like, why would go there? That's the worst part. Actually fucking go there.

That wouldn't amazing death for Luke Skywalker would have been to save the rest of the rebel alliance by fighting and holding off the, you know, he could've made it his choice. And I think ultimately, his, his, him as a character, I did actually look at it and felt mirrored to men in my life who I know and women in my life who I know started out sort of and I'm maybe I'm mapping it too close to our politics, but that started out feeling like,

you know, rebellious and like politically active, there's something I can do, I can change the world, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then slowly have become sort of Trump voters and of the mindset of like, fuck it all, it doesn't matter. It's all bullshit. And I think there's a lot of things And I think he represents like an old person who's like giving up.

Who's like fuck it? And it's like I'm just gonna take care of myself. Yeah, and fuck everybody. I mean, but I just, and I understand that and he came around and said like maybe I'm not the person who can change the universe now. I'm too old, like it's not my time to do that. But I also understand that I was wrong to be complacent.

And I thought that was an interesting take on that. I guess so. I mean, we're gonna go a long way to help everybody? Had he been there in person? I'm think. Yeah. Sure.

Yeah. Yeah. I showed up. I actually could have killed Kyla Ren, which would have stopped everything. I mean, I also like that. He was the kind of Jedi teacher that when Kyla Ren was like, that guy tried to kill me.

Everyone was like, we think you're right. And that's probably happened. And let's go be evil. Cause fuck him. Yeah. Everyone hated him so much. He's definitely looking up with fish, none. I actually have a question.

I have a question about the story. I'm very curious, okay? And I'm sure this is, I really hope they're gonna do something with this in the third movie. They kept talking about the story. They never show or really talk about what happened to the other students. They say they were killed.

I think they say that some of them- I think they become the nice and random. They were taken. They were taken. Okay, I don't think there's I don't think they're the nights of rent. I mean, if they are the nights of rent, where are they? Uh, well, I will, I wonder if the nights of rent are already dead or if they're going to come in the last movie and Kylo will be like, all right, let's do this. He gets his nights together. He's got his boys. I mean, they weren't snokes guard, cause those weren't Jedi. Okay.

None of them have much to do with those guards. Those are just like, they were awesome though. I mean, I do wonder how they saw, but like that's another. I want a video game where I can kill them. Well, there is one I think the new start. I think the new one. At any rate, but like, but like,

but like, what happened? I think they're leaving something vague about, they make it sound like Kylo Ren killed all the other students. But I don't think that's what happened. I think Kylo Ren was taken forcibly by Snoke and I think other students were as well and probably some were killed. They don't really make that clear,

but they, I don't think it's so obvious. It's like literally they're saying he did exactly what Anakin did. Well, maybe what's gonna happen is a bunch of them, those boys are gonna be together and they're gonna be like, we hate Luke, we hate the Jedi, there's also stupid. And what they're gonna say is like Luke's gone all that is gone Where would they have hate but where would they have been?

I don't know. Film of the other two films. Hoff. I just think it's very suspicious. All right. Well, thank you for your call Kevin. We have a couple more points. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. One more point.

Make a quick. Sorry, the N.E.B. cringe when Snoke said, Spunk. I don't know if that means a different thing in US, English, did anybody cringe when Snoke said, Spunk? I don't know if that means a different thing in US, English, and American, English, these days. What was she like, she's got Spunk, is that what he said? You just say that.

I mean, I think there is a clean use of the word. And they get like a fan. Family is. And we know it. And there's a dirty use of the word. And I think, Danny, I definitely was, no, I definitely was like, man, he packed. Spunk's not the perfect, I wouldn't, you wouldn't have used the word. I like Fanny I definitely was no I definitely was like manny pack It's not the perfect. I wouldn't even have used the word. I wouldn't have repaid that word in my life

What's he gonna say moxie? She's got moxie. That's a drink. That's a drink from like Cincinnati from 1920 Like he's got a lot of sparkle. I mean she's got spud I got shot. I get it but like yeah you feel like like she you know pizzazz you get a bit like she's got pizzazz Little razzle dazzle wing wing two wings no, of course poor beautiful snow. All right, well thank you. Yeah, she's got hot pop. I can't do snow toys. Look at a little pun. Yeah, I said I our space juice. There's next question or next there comment and chase down like shoes. They are and they've got all the secrets and you don't have to be one to be a good person. Their religion is dying and everybody hates them.

Everyone in every power position thinks they're bullshed. Hi, Daniel from Atlanta. Hi, it's Samuel actually with an F. Okay, see whatever. You know what, names are on the board here. What take your new sith name? Don't worry about you. Don't worry about your your given name yeah your name is kyle and you'll

yeah uh... so might be issue with this and uh... because i'm a science-based film fan and watching this not a good movie you should not go to the movie do not see any of the eventious go ahead science-based i mean i accept that star wars is fantasy like i i acknowledge that next that but when i watch this movie star wars seems to like to play with

cizic never want to if you know anything about cizic when you accelerate to light speed you should never stop so in theory if they want to get away from the first or just go to light speed and i can't even a few of the all and i can't have enough you know they don't know also have enough you are you saying that inertia can just carry them in light speed yeah in space if you accelerate your velocity state constant unless you apply

so you're saying i get to light speed use so you're saying i get to light speed in my in my spaceship and then i turn off the engines and i'm still a little bit i'm going to be in light speed and that's not and definitely pushing back. But maybe they need the field of the, but maybe they need to feel the dog to dodge objects. I don't know. Are you even worried about objects of lightspeed? Seems like you be hitting shit all the time. Is that true? Yes. They have shields though. The way Star Wars, the way Star Wars seems to work with it is just the spaceship

Kaz computers that can track where stars are and then once you're at light speed you can pretty much just keep going. So they want to go away from the first order and also like with those ships when the ships ran out of fuel and they fell back and they turned that that shouldn't have happened. They should have kept going in a straight line. Yeah. As the other ships kept going forward. I'm really glad that someone has a, I'm glad that someone has a more insane problem with some of the stuff that happens in the movie

that I do. This puts my complaints in perspective where like, I sound now sound fairly reasonable. You're like, actually, I was reading about light speed. You know, it's like, that's the complaint that I actually, by the way, you're totally valid for you to have. See, from actually Twitter. Totally valid for you to have, but actually Twitter totally valid for you to have

But I do think like you know When you're getting into like well, how come light speed doesn't work right these movies? You're kind of like you might be on because they came up within the 70s and the high-end cocaine Yeah, well actually they never use that no no that speed that lights me travel. They show yeah They use it very sparingly in the in the early film. Yeah, like they don't Yeah, all right. Any other any part of that? Yeah, I will say. Yeah. I will say overall, I did like the movie. It's just starboard seems to say we like space physics sometimes and we don't like it. Other times what's going on with

the anti gravity. I'm sorry. I wouldn't anti gravity wouldn't'm sorry. I wouldn't. Antigravity wouldn't wouldn't. That's the sci-fi trip. Yeah. Wouldn't wouldn't. I mean, how would lay it? Wouldn't lay it have like lasers that exploded or frozen or something instantly like not if she has what happens for wizard. What happens when you get shot out of the space?

What actually happens your body if you're nude and you get shot into space? I think you implode. So it's it's it's not as dramatic a process as movies would have you believe. It's pretty just slowly as, it's more of a slow death. You can, there's tons of videos on YouTube. You can watch, but like, so it is possible that Layla could be alive for a few seconds and maybe getting back to the ship.

Did they also pull the same shot in the garage? Did they also pull the same thing in Guardians of the Galaxy two? So they had this exact same sequence where somebody got shot in space. It was like living out there for a few seconds and they had to get like saved. Well, I'll get Bob Iger on the phone and tell him to stop recycling ideas. Yeah, sure. Thank you for your call, Daniel. Yeah, thank you. We actually need to wrap up.

Yeah. But it's a sec. In conclusion, I had a good time. I mean, I did not. I would have had a good time if it were 30 minutes shorter. I could have allowed for all of the dumb holes and plot points and annoying moments if they had just shortened the movie considerably. They didn't need to see no world at all.

There are so many other ways those idiots could have bumbled their way onto the fucking shit. They're also like, I mean, think about what it says about the characters and what the audience will tolerate, that these people were sent to find a specific, like whatever he is code tracker, code breaker. We didn't even talk about him. They find him, they get thrown in jail over a parking violation, okay?

And then instead of going back, breaking out and going back to find that guy, they take the random person they met in prison to get to save the lives of all of the rebel alliance. I mean, that's really insulting. Yeah. All right. Listen, we're not going to have a show over the holiday, obviously. We love Jesus. We're not going to have it on right holiday, obviously. We love Jesus to knock. And we're not gonna have it on right after the new year. So you can stay tuned next year, I guess. It's been a lot of show for the year. For the year.

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