Tomorrow - 113: Stumbling Upon Drew Millard

Episode Date: April 20, 2018

For this installment of Tomorrow, Josh follows Ryan down a rabbit hole of Beychella, k-cups, and marijuana candies – eventually culminating in them both joining Scientology. At some point The Outline’s weekend editor, Drew Millard, flies up from North Carolina to put to a stop to this kind of nonsense. For the one hundred and THIRTEENTH episode we discuss the death of Art Bell (RIP!) and for 420 we mention weed! Numerology is real! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow. I'm your host, Joshua Tupulski. Today on the podcast, we discuss Mel's Hole, Weed Candy, and Neopets. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's just get right into it. All right, well, here it is, another tomorrow, a new tomorrow, you might say. And just think next week this tomorrow will be yesterday's tomorrow. Actually, it'll be last week's tomorrow. They just keep coming. I'll keep hitting you. I keep hitting you. Every day,

there's actually my favorite Philip Larkin poem is called Days. It is addresses this exact topic in the most depressing way possible. I recommend you read it, but only if you're in a very good state of mind. I feel like the days and the news are the chocolates, and we're Lucy and Ethel, and we're just trying to stuff them wherever we can put them. I think you're making an I love Lucy reference. The audience of tomorrow, the podcast, does not know about the I love Lucy. I think you're underestimating the I love Lucy fandom.

I think that tomorrow audience is a progressive, forward-looking audience that doesn't waste their time on retrograde TV shows from the 1940s. Okay, so we're not gonna do our twilight zone part. We are doing it, we're doing that. That's from the 60s. All right, all right, all right do our twilight zone. No, we are doing it. We're doing that. That's from the 60s. All right, all right, all right.

We got a lot of news this week. Yeah, we're like Lucy and Ethel trying to eat all that chocolate in that hilarious episode. We're on the old day, like on the old sitcoms, you could just do like a visual gag and that was enough. Yeah. I guess that's true of things like most CBS sitcoms as well. Sure.

No. Direct, direct, direct CBS and me. It's got loves visual gags. Have you go see Ryan perform? It's actually like he's like literally, he's like gay, carrot top. Was that, it's caretop gay actually? No.

He does work out quite a bit. You do have red hair though. Yeah. But it's like died like Lucy. He's a lot like Lucy. Actually, he does a whole bit. Ryan does a lot like Lucy. He does a whole bit. Ryan does a bit where he eats chocolate. Just easy.

And home alone. To really sad. It's like very meta. It's like a very, very, very high level of performance. Where you're just like, just sad. Yeah. Yeah. It's good.

Chocolate's great though. Oh, well, I will say I ate a lot of chocolates this weekend. And they weed candies and I didn't know the dosage and I blacked out for a day. Yeah, but you really? Yeah, that's very bad. You got to look at the you had to read the dosage man. I did I misread it. Anyway, I just had a memory of a guy at raves that I used to see who had a very I'm not gonna name his name, but when I went to raves in the 90s There was a guy specific person. You'd see him in DC. It's even Baltimore. You'd see him in Pittsburgh who had a very, I'm not gonna name his name, but when I went to raves in the 90s, there was a guy, a specific person, you'd see him in DC, it's even Baltimore, you'd see him in Pittsburgh,

you'd see all over that sort of general corridor. He had a very high pitch voice, and he sold all sorts of drugs, but acid. And you would hear off in the distance, you hear this voice, it was like, Doses, Doses! And then we get closer and closer, we're like, Doses! It was almost like the guy from closer and closer and we're like, Doses.

It was almost like the guy from The Warriors, you know, at the end of The Warriors, he's like, warriors. But he was like a guy saying, Doses, that's a word for acid for those who are listening that don't know. And he was selling them like peanuts at a baseball game.

Basically, yeah. Because that's how shit was in the late 90s. Wow. I like these specified rates in the 90s. Yeah, well, they're not like modern rays, like fucking T.S. to be paid $400,000 to play a CD. These people were fucked up.

Well, speaking of music stuff, we don't have a news story here about that. So let's transition. We have Beachella just happened this weekend. What? Coachella? Yeah, Beyonce and Coachella. No, I look to Twitter and people were really fired up.

It was good. Listen. That was the night I was super high and I watched out of it and I really started freaking out. Listen, Beyonce is a once in a lifetime artist. Okay. She has everything. She has it all.

The perfect life. The perfect husband. Just kidding. Um, it's like actually if you made a film about a person like Beyonce, there's a lot of interesting, you could do a lot of interesting things. Anyhow, Beyonce is an incredible artist, an incredible performer. What did you think of the performance? It was amazing, it was phenomenal.

Is there anything even to say about it? That's the thing that's, I mean, it's too good. It's too good. That she can hire that many, you know, artists of color, credit so many people, reference so many amazing things, pull off this astonishing thing. But part of it is that like, I look around at every other person in the music industry and I'm like, why can't you even try? Well, they're not Beyonce. I understand, but sometimes I look and I'm like, why can't you even try? Well, they're not Beyonce. I understand, but sometimes I look and I'm like, oh, like, I don't know. Who are you looking at? Like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

like, like, like, even other, there's other pop stores they don't think put in any. Like Post Malone. Or like, even. Why can't Post Malone be as good as I'm talking when you tweeted that Post Malone is actually really good. So I was really drunk and I was listening to Post Malone.

I was like telling Laura about Post Malone because she'd never heard him. I, by the way, I didn't do several people at Post Malone recently. Post Malone. I was like telling Laura about Post Malone because she'd never heard him. By the way, I introduced several people at Post Malone recently. Post Malone's horrible, okay. Very bad. A rat person. Very bad, a rat person.

He looks like an adult cherub, which is the most, it's like a, what if a cherub grew up and I was like, I'm a bad boy. Yeah, he was like a bad ass. I appropriate. Yeah. Appropriate. I mean, I think Jeremy Revertium is a minstrel performer.

Like, I mean, it's like, but like here's the thing. Okay, yes, yes. Post Malone is bad. Not in the way that he wants to be. No. But, okay, it's controversial. I don't think he's actually a huge talent, but whoever is writing his songs is very good.

They're very, very catchy. And it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's like, couldn't somebody better have made these songs? Sure. Because you're like, this is a good song. Yeah. Good song, bad person. I mean, it's like fancy with Iggy Azalea.

Like literally anyone else could have done her part on that. It's true. It's true. Iggy, Iggy, it kind of the female postman loaned away. The Australian female postman loan. I want you to see Igey and post get together, have a, you know, get a relationship. I just think if Igey could just own it all and just be like, yeah, I fucked up. I mean, I used to think should have been, I'm like Australian. Yeah. She should have been like, I rap, but I'm Australian. Yeah. I'm like, oh, why?

She should have wrapped about like white Australian Yeah, what's going on? What's going on out there? I mean that would have been bad. I'm sure because she's probably like to she probably actually like I don't know for sure, but I bet she's really racist. I bet diggy. Oh, he's actually really racist. I mean, is there details on this? I'm not one for digging up old tweets. You can dig up some old tweets where she stands and stuff where you're like I hate to say this but the first piece of music that's out ever heard was work by Iggy Azalea. Oh my God. That's a good fucking song. I don't care.

I thought fucking Iggy Azalea, but that song is catchy as hell. Well, at least she has a place to build from. You know what? Anyhow. Speaking of, how do we tell, oh yeah, Beyonce. So getting back, I don't want to turn to sure this segment.

Beyonce's an incredible, but you're like, why can't other artists do it? We think they could do it, they'd be Beyonce. I guess. That's like the, there's a Facebook. The Winkle V think they could do it, they'd be Beyonce. I guess. That's like the, it's a Facebook. The Winkle Voss twins could have been built Facebook. They would have built it. But don't you feel like there's no artist development anymore?

Like you even look at someone, like Tinashe spent so much time like an album hell release hell because all her songs are given to someone else. And she can actually sing in dance, but you look at some people who pop off the Disney Channel and they don't even put them through like hip-hop dance classic. Look, it's not about singing and dancing. Teach them about read music.

It's about star power, okay? I was talking to someone, good friend of mine in Hollywood. A very powerful man in Hollywood. So, Zunyi saw the Fuller House cab. No. It was a very powerful Hollywood man at a very powerful Hollywood party and he said that an actress walked in whose name now totally escapes me. But it was a famous actress and he was like, you could just tell. of a Hollywood party. And he said that an actress walked in, whose name now totally escapes me,

but it was a famous actress. And he was like, you could just tell when she walked in the room. Actually, before she was famous, what he was saying. When she walked in the room, she had a magnetism that was undeniable. People were just like this, you're in the presence of somebody special.

I think like there are just people like me and like me, people like us, Ryan, who gives them some stuff. Who have a presence that you can't account for with not any amount of training gets them that, not any amount of being able to help a little bit. Like a fifth harmony could all dance at the same time. That really would have helped the decision. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, I've never seen fifth harmony perform, but like... Exactly. But like, you know, who has that quality? Madonna. Sure. Michael Jackson. I got it. Lady Gaga.

I mean, she still does. She's just doing all this stuff. Who else has that kind of presence? Brittany Haddie, young Brittany had it. I don't know. I mean, she did. Maybe a little like that. Oops, performance. Okay. But like, but like, but like it was a 25% of Beyonce. Kanye has it. Kanye, it's weird because Kanye kind of does. No, it kind of does. It kind of does. He kind of does it. He's a, I watch, I could watch him in that little clip where he says, I like robots, I'm giving him with of doesn't. He's a I watch I could watch him in that little clip where he says I like robots Getting over the Kardashians. It's the most charming thing I've ever seen. He's then we said he wasn't charming

Now I'm not saying he's not doesn't have star power. He doesn't have Beyonce level star power X factor. We should be happy Kanye doesn't have but beyond Beyonce level star power Because if Kanye could do what Beyonce does with her with her sheer presence Yeah, his presence is kind of like this guy's's like a weird, kind of a weird creep. Like I love him, but I sort of hate him. Yeah. That's like, when you see Kanye, you're like, what's he gonna do?

I feel a little bit worried, but also like, I can't wait to see what he does. But Beyonce, it's like, whatever this is, oh, we're gonna be safe. It's gonna fucking rule. Yeah. But imagine if he had that kind of presence, he would be unstoppable.

Yeah. That's why it's good that Kanye's a little, he would be Rihanna. Fucking weird. No, Rihanna's, it's different. She doesn't have what Beyonce has. She doesn't. I think they have different things,

but they both have a house. You know, who does those? Mickey Echo. Boy, his power, his stage presence, his power. Do you know who Mickey Echo is? Nobody knows who Mickey Echo is. Where did he come from? Where did he go?

It's like, he's like, caught in a joke, but he's Mickey Echo. You can actually redo this song. He is the person who duets with Rihanna on stay. He has curly hair. Okay. It's like really curly. He kind of looks like the guy who duets with... He's like, hold me, oh Dennis.

You know that, you know that? What does that, what does that, a great big world guy with the curly hair? He looks like that, but he's hotter. He's like go to a In the fact that nobody knows where he came from He appeared one time stays Yeah stays one of the great one of the great pop ballads of all time in my opinion in one man's opinion But I think it's also empirical fact

Mickey echo came and went yeah but I think it's also empirical fact. Mickey Echo came and went. Yeah. Wow, how did he get there? How did Rihanna end up with Mickey Echo? I will say that there are a lot of Britney tracks where the record label clearly was like, we'll pay for two music videos.

If you put this weird rapper on for 12 seconds. You know, it's crazy. It's easy. It's a sorry. But what's really crazy, if you go back, it's like the sixth sense, you'll just get rid of all those people who are Mickey Echo.

Okay, we have to do a lot. This is gotten to, we're down to radical. Two radical. Two, all right, what else? So the Starbucks racial profiling stuff happened to speak to you about that. You watch the video, right? Yeah, I watch the video.

It's fucking insane. I like all the people in there, they didn't do anything. What is going on? They're just like, well, they're black. We just have to arrest them, I guess. And like, for doing what? For waiting at a coffee shop for a friend,

because then I should be arrested every single day. Like, look, that's funny. I like, okay, you're a Starbucks employee who sucks and you're like a police. There's some black people here. Okay, you're the police. It's suspicious. Okay, you come in, you're the police.

Wouldn't you assess the fucking situation? Be like, hey, where are, where are they? Oh, they're over there. What are they doing? Well, nothing, but they're just kind of standing there. I'm waiting to buy a flat white to discuss architecture. Yeah, you're like, you're like, hey, what are you guys doing? This is me, I'm the cop.

Hey, what are you guys doing? Oh, we're waiting for a friend. Okay. That's it. You could leave the cops and go. It seems like it would be a lot more work to arrest somebody. Yeah, like what is it?

I just want to understand. They're like, the cops walked in, made a B-line for those guys to start putting cops on them. Like seems like it would be a lot more work to arrest somebody. Yeah, what is it for? For no. I just wanna understand, the cops walked in, made a B-line for those guys to start putting cops on them. How does that work? I mean, the thing is, usually with these stories, you can disagree with what happened, and then, but then when you hear somebody's reasoning,

it's not that you empathize, it's that you see how the dominoes fell. You're like, all right, I see how this situation played out, even though it's extremely unfortunate. This, there's not even dominoes. That makes no sense. No, I mean, it's like just a bunch of scared lame racists.

Yeah, just acting like fucking weirdos. And then Starbucks closed all Starbucks for a day to do racial profiling teaching and it was like, okay. This is just inconveniencing the customers you haven't arrested. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

And nobody's learning in a day to be a racist. I like how they're like, oh, fuck, did we not do the class where we told our employees not to call the police on random people of color for no reason? Do we skip that class with the Starbucks training? I feel like there was a hand. I'm sorry, do you actually need to give the class on this?

I mean, I understand people are like, have their biases or whatever, but do you need to know to not call the police on people who aren't the outline of shutting down next week to teach people not to light things on fire? No, it's like, yeah their biases or whatever, but do you need to know to not call a police on people who aren't the outline of shutting down next week to teach people not to light things on fire? No, it's like, yeah, no, but you, there may be a reason.

No, no, no, there may be a reason to light something on fire. I need to start a fire. I want to light something on fire. Like a match, that's kind of lighting something on fire. I want to get smoke a cigarette. You know, I want to have a joint, a weed joint. But the thing about it is like, I just don't understand, well, I do understand. Why people are scared. They're so scared and stupid. And they're racist.

And then we have to deal with this bullshit. The world has to deal with their bullshit. I don't think Starbucks should have shut down because I think Starbucks should have said, well, we made it very clear to everybody at Starbucks and how could you not have to not call the police on people who don't do anything? Yeah. It's not. Do you have to tell them that? Is that a lesson that we have to tell people now?

It's like, what are, like, how do you not know, like, what was the reason the person called the police? It just feels like you're not qualified for your job if you can't. You're not qualified for any job. Like, there's no, there's fire them, make a donation and like, apologize, perfusely. It's so upsetting. I watched the video like over and over.

So me put on Instagram and I was just watching. I was trying to like understand all the pieces that were occurring because it was like a tablo, like of all the things that were happening in this shot of, you know, some of you shot on their phone or whatever. I just think, look, I don't think, first of all, okay, this may be a carnivorous statement. I don't think Starbucks, the corporation,

is actually responsible for what happened. I mean, I think that they should take responsibility for it. I don't think it's like, I'd hard to imagine a situation where Starbucks would want or encourage or not, at least message to its employees that they are equal, equal opportunity in every way, shape and form. My impression of Starbucks has always been that they don't care who you are, as long as you have enough money for a latte. Sure.

That's been in my impression. Yeah. I don't know if it's true or not, but I would imagine that the people who own Starbucks are like, we want people to come in here and and and buy coffee and enjoy themselves and we don't care about we are Starbucks is what it is it's not like an individual employee makes them culpable but not like but so the question there becomes like the question there becomes it's like it's like can you prevent can you actually prevent bad dumb people from doing bad dumb things better hiring practices well yes better hiring but I guess like if you're like oh and by the way

don't call the police on people of color for no reason. Like, if you specifically say that, yeah. I guess that you just seems like that should have been fairly obvious. Yeah, but I guess you could then be like, well, we told them not to do it. But so this is not on us anyhow.

Very depressing story, very stupid, very sad. And I will say I avoided, I was using a getting a cake up today and I avoided that I was at a place where they had different selections. And I avoided the Starbucks kids. I was like, I'm going to get this, whatever this other off brand shit is. And you know what? I told Elias too, he was like, I got to go, we were meeting Elias Rothblad RC.

Oh, we were meeting. And he was like, I'm going to camp out in the Starbucks for like 10 minutes before the meeting. I was like, really Starbucks and he went to a to a Predamanger or something. Okay. So fuck you Starbucks. Unless you know, a firm hand.

Unless you're making this first. First just as Starbucks made a statement on this. Yeah. They're like, we don't like this. They're like, that's not good. No, you don't do that. Hey, cut it out. All right.

Let's keep. Let's go. Let's go. Many of other companies with disappointing news stories this week ends up. Neopets was run by Scientology. So listen, I think that I'm not saying this for me because I know all about Neopats and love, love all the Neopats and the Neopat world. Neotopia. Neotopia. I was a big fan of Neotopia back in the old days. But tell the listener if they don't know what a Neopat is, he talked to me a little bit explain.

You're asking for a friend. I'm saying that, of course not for me, because as you know, I'm an extreme neopat. You're so young. Well, my, I mean, part of it is like, when you're raising our team, in our generation being really young, you know, like you just grow up with neopats. And so you're like, yeah, you know, neopats.

But for like a person who, an older person who maybe doesn't know, can you explain a neopat? So a neopat was like a Pokemon who, an older person who maybe doesn't know, yeah, can you explain Neo, a Neo Pat? So a Neo Pat was like a Pokemon in a browser, and you would like take it on games and like it was like kind of a tomagotchi meets a Pokemon. And they would like fight and they had little stories and then you would like teach them things

and like do quizzes and like play little games. And then you, it's like a new kind of Pat. And then they introduced like you put real money into it to like put little clothes on it and stuff. It's like a new kind of pet. And then they introduce like you put real money into it to like put little clothes on it and stuff. It's like early micro transact. Sure, you could, I always just dress it up, my Neopets. Oh yeah. Put them in a little like a little blazer,

little pair, little pair of loafers, you know, little cap, little backwards cap. Blazer backwards cap, loafers, scarf, no pants. Pantless, pantless pet. What was the name of yours? Was that the breed? It was a, you know, I actually, to be honest with you, I had access to, I was such a deep level Neopet user

that I had access. You were clear. I had access. I was in O.T. I was at O.T. level 14, and I had access to another level of Neopets that you couldn't access at your operating. I know, I mean, I couldn't, I couldn't afford it. So, you know, we don't talk about it also.

Oh, okay. Oh, here's the thing, here's the thing about, about one was literally named a prasino. But you're just, I just like, what's up the listener? Here's the thing about the Neop getting to a higher level of Neopet user is that, you don't talk about it because they're secrets.

And also, people who try to get that information out of you or try to tell you that you're spending too much time with your Neopet are a suppressive person. Yeah, and then they're fair games. And SP, and you need to watch out for them within the realm of the Neoverse. Yeah, okay, Neotopia. Neotopia.

Where the Neopets are. Yeah, and where they live. Where the Neopets are. Yeah, and where they live. Where the Neopets live, and where the other Neopets live that you don't have access to, do to your O.T. Classics. Do to your O.T. level being too low. Anyhow, so yeah, so it turns out, turns out the Neopet universe was actually

a carefully constructed virtual model of the FN ideal Scientology. It's nice. Utopia. A Scientology Ponsys game. Run by Logan from Veronica Mars is dad. Okay, I don't know who Logan is. You do, because you're sure of this,

you watched Veronica Mars, right? Actually, Veronica Mars, I felt the people on Veronica Mars seemed a little old to me. Okay, yeah. I was so youthful at the time that Veronica Mars aired. I was like, Kristen Ritter. I don't want to watch these old people. Who's Paris Hilton? I'm so, I'm so, yeah, I was so youthful at the time that for our Kumar's heir, I was like, Kristen Ritter.

I don't want to watch these old people. Who's Paris Hilton? I don't want to. Yeah, who is Paris Hilton? Great question. Yeah, and it's shocking, shocking turn of events. Did that, did that change how you felt about your Neopat? How many Neopats did you own?

I definitely made a lot of Neopats and like enjoyed the process of making one and then was like, I'm good here. I didn't need to put together puzzles on the internet. Do you feel like your exposure to the Neopets made you more understanding of the ethos and philosophy of El Ron Hubbard's teachings? Yeah, I mean, I will say making those Neopets was how I got into Scientology and became the great person I am today

and I'm transforming other people through becoming clear and have my psychic abilities. But one thing I like about is that I also bought all the mission of possible movies on there. Since you become a platformer, since you become a Scientologist, one thing that I like is that you always are saying,

don't take your prescription medication and don't use therapy, which I think is great, because I think mental health is kind of a construct. Yeah, I spend a lot of time knocking Zoloft out of people's hands. If you can get, I think, you can get. I think you can get. If you get the right kind of audit, you don't need, you don't need pro-zac.

No, you just, yeah, you just need to talk therapy from a completely untrained, unlicensed person holding a randomized number. That's what I mean. Did you ever end up in that part of the neotopia where you walk past that building and they would ask if you wanted the stress test? That's how I got off.

You go ahead and your neopatmic would get a stress test. It hold those little, like the e-meter. I have anxiety about it. They actually called the neometer, but it's pretty cool. Yeah, so anyhow, so like, so, if you want, I saw yesterday a lot of people talking about this, people were like, my childhood has been, you know, irreparably harmed by this.

Do you feel that way? No. Wow. I didn't engage a ton of Neopets. Great conversation about Neopets. No, but here's why. I didn't engage with a ton of Neopets, and also like, that was definitely a damaging business model

that we shouldn't have introduced children to begin with whether or not it was run by a cult. Like micro transactions for children and like it just, none of it was good. Like a parent on the game would have been like, no. What if we found out that Minecraft was also started by a Scientologist? Wasn't it started by an alt-right figure? Yeah, it was started by a racist. Okay, first off, okay, first off, notches from Norway. Everybody in Norway is a little racist, okay? I'm not getting excused. I'm not excusing him,

but there, listen, you talked to people from Norway. Isn't PewDiePie from like Sweden? Yeah, I have a good navy. A magnus, our old, now I'm not putting Magnus on blast, he's not racist, but I will say, but our old podcast producer Magnus was from Sweden Now, I'm not putting Magnus on blast. He's not racist, but I will say, but our old podcast producer Magnus was from Sweden. And one thing, now I'm saying he's not at all racist, okay? No, but what I found is that in kind of, and I went to Norway, I was in Norway, I spent a week there once.

I just think that, I'm not excusing, not just definitely not a good guy in PewDiePie fucking blows. But I do think there that like, I'm not excusing. Not just definitely not a good guy and PewDiePie fucking blows. But like I do think there's like, they don't, it's like, they don't know, it's like, you know, people who are like racist, but they don't realize they're being racist, they're like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like was like, excuse me, I'm Jewish and that's like extremely fucking rude to say. And he's like, well, what do you care? I got a lot of Jewish friends.

It's like, you're like, you're not, no, you're not making a connection here. What you just said, just think about what you just said. But like, I think they're like, they say stuff. Like PewDiePie, one of his problems is like, he thinks like he's grown up in a place where everybody's basically white. And so he has sensitivity to like,

what actually crosses the line is like not, is not attuned appropriately. In a lot of European countries or countries where it's like where he homogenous, for example Australia, they constantly say like we don't have racism here or like we don't have it like you do. Yeah, yeah. You're just not talking about. No, no, they have it. They have it. It's just like there's nobody to check them on the shit that they're racist. That's what I guess I'm saying. It's like, they're racist, but in a different way in the sense that like,

they don't even know what they're doing as racist, because they don't even ever have to be exposed to anybody to question their activity. Yeah. A lot of race talk for two way guys. Wait, how the hell did we get on notch? Oh, minecraft. Oh yeah, he's not an alright guy though, is he?

I think he is. I mean, what constitutes alright at this point? He's like a gamer game guy. It's something about gassing on Nubbins. Oh, yeah, he's not an alright guy though, is he? I think what constitutes all right at this point He's like a gamer game guy. I it's something about gassing on nubbins. Oh really? Oh god all these guys are so fucking Him and him and Palmer lucky should form a commune or something. It's like fucking lame Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry fucking lame ass tech guys with their like bad ideas. It's insane anyhow Should we move on? Should we bring in our guest? Yeah, I think that's on it's insane, anyhow. Should we move on? Should we bring in our guests? Yeah, I think that's done about right.

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and we're right there. Oh my God, yeah! Make your mornings a little weirder. Drew Miller is here. He is the outlines weekend editor. Drew, thank you for joining me. Yeah. Of course. You don't live in New York. No, I live in Durham, North Carolina. That's a real American area. It went and is nodding her head furiously because she's from North Carolina. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Durham is the best. Both North Carolina and, or

not North, Asheville, North Carolina and Durham, North Carolina are these sort of OACs and and otherwise unmanageably bullshitty-ass motherfucking state. But like, New York City. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like you don't want to be in fucking Albany. Like doing anything. I mean, I mean, I'm sure there's fine people in Albany. Sure. There's fine people in Long Island, but I'll tell you fine work, they don't go to Long Island. On both sides, on both sides, on all the sides.

Are you really good? Yeah, no, I mean, that's true of many, like like Pennsylvania is like that. Yeah, you get Philly. How important is it? You've got Pittsburgh and then it's like Pennsylvania. Yeah. No offense to all the shit. And just Hawaii is a solid state through and through, right?

As a person from Pennsylvania, I can say a lot of it's bad. Yeah. What part of Pennsylvania are you from Pittsburgh? Oh, like when Pittsburgh, uh, so we were you there before Pittsburgh became second Detroit. Yeah. I left Pittsburgh and it got cool. I'm sure there's no correlation. Oh, okay. Second Detroit is a weird way to frame it. Well, I was trying to neg you.

Oh, okay, really? I mean, I think Pittsburgh is, is in some ways cooler than Detroit because it has more hills. But doesn't Detroit have like a robot museum? Pittsburgh has a robot museum, I think. Detroit's is bigger. Is that just your childhood?

Are you from Detroit or something? Would you try to prove here? I mean, I have a lot of family from Flint. Okay, are you mad about Pittsburgh? Yeah, definitely. Why? Because it's not Detroit. Okay, that's an Madonna.

That's, that's, yeah, that's true. Jeff Goldblum went to college there. That's, that's, yeah, that's true. Jeff Goldblum went to college there. And grew up there, actually, I think. I'm just saying, who is the best rapper who has ever come from Pittsburgh? Post Malone. Whisk Believe.

I'm just going to get into it. No, Post Malone is from some Dallas. You're saying best? Actually, I think Post Malone is from Albany or Syracuse or something. I'm pretty sure Post Malone's dad, like, is an executive with the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, something like that. But I think originally he's from Syracuse. Is that true? Is that right? It wins.

Post Malone is from Syracuse. Okay. But, um, but, uh, but moved to great mind, Texas. Wait a second. Wait, wait. What was I addressing? Oh, the best rapper from Pittsburgh. I would say Hitman. Okay. So best or most popular? We can do both. Well, most popular is obviously with Khalifa. Yes. He lives like very close to Laura's dad, like in the exact hills of Pittsburgh, like which is a very sleepy, very suburban, like it's just funny to imagine hanging out there. That's great. Yeah. Hitman.

I don't know Hitman. You've heard Hitman. Have you heard the Chronic 2000? Yes. Hitman is one of the rappers on that album. There is a Pittsburgh connection, right? Like, isn't that why, I mean, did snoops, you start wearing the Pittsburgh hats,

I feel like he has a Pittsburgh connection. Like he was one of the early pirates at wears. That also could be a connection to Pittsburgh, California. No. I don't think so. The pirate's at. Yeah, but do you know the rapper A wax? Who is I know. I know. He's a Bay Area rapper from Pittsburgh, California.

And he has the Pittsburgh Pirates P, just tattooed on his fucking throat. That's really weird because that's definitely the Pittsburgh from from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Yeah, definitely. But you mean if I let him close it off. Yeah. Okay, so you're a rap fan is what I'm learning about.

I am a rap fan. Yes. What don't I know about you that I should know about you? True. Uh, I play golf five times a week. Okay, that's fucking crazy. That's nuts. You're like Trump. Yes. Yes. I don't do anything five times a week. I know. Oh, I definitely do. You guys don't record this podcast five times a week. Um, what else? I want two more facts about you. Okay, no, that I don't know. I have a dog named Nora Efron. Oh, wow.

That's awesome. I love her Efron. There you go. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. The way why name off this podcast? Why name a dog Nora Efron seems like it could be an insult to Nora Efron in her memory. She came named Nora Efron when I adopted her.

You can't take responsibility for it. That's good. But I mean, she seemed like a Nora Efron when I adopted her. You can't take responsibility for it. That's good. But I mean, she seemed like a Nora Efron to me. She has a very similar personality to Nora. Nora was a very caring person. She loved cooking. And the dog cook was very concerned with her neck. She was.

And given that Nora is a parmarinean, she is very concerned with her back legs. Oh, yeah. A palm Iranian. That's a dog that's like a, if like a poudal and chihuahua fucked. Yes. Right. Super cute lots and noise, right? Lots and noise. Yeah. You should get her, you should get Nora from going with Penny. We got a lot to say. A dog that won't shut the fuck up. Yeah. Never, not for any reason in all sorts of scenarios that are super annoying. Our third fact about you.

Third fact about me. Um, my dad ran for Congress in 2016, came in a strong second. Wow. Wow. Republican. Democrat. Wow. Wow.

He ran in North Carolina and that's why the fuck you lost. Oh, well, there you have it. As Ryan was saying, North Carolina, it's cesspool. Yeah. He was trying to do something about it, but they didn't let him. Get trying to clear on cesspool. Yeah, it was straight to swamp. The North Carolina's swamp.

Yeah, it was kind of amazing because he was running against the sky Patrick McHenry, who's like third, second, third, fourth ranking Republican in the house. And he was such a sneaky fucking debater when he is a master debater, say, really fast. And when my dad was debating him, in the first debate, the Patrick McHenry was like, we got to do something about ISIS. And my dad was like, you know, like maybe we shouldn't concentrate on like fighting ISIS, but instead like figuring out what the root causes of ISIS are

and like addressing those things so we don't get ISIS to the ISIS-icening. Right. And ISIS-X al-Qaeda. Yeah, I think we got that. That's very like very bondical. Yeah. ISIS ex deadpool. And so that happens in debate one and in debate two, Patrick says to my dad, so in the previous debate, you said in as many words, you don't care that ISIS is cutting the

heads off of Christians. Yeah, that's how they do it, man. Yeah. That's how politicians debate. Uh, yeah, that's it. That's exactly what the discourse is. It's like just got you beating your wife. Just gotcha, bullshit. Yeah, it's like, right. Yes, of course, that's terrible.

Well, fuck him. Your dad seems like a true American hero. Um, no. He's pretty chill. Okay. Now Drew, you run the weekends of the outline. Yep. And the weekends get pretty weird.

We have some pretty weird stories. One of the things I've noticed about you is that you just don't, you just don't give a fuck and you go for it, okay? Do you say that's true? Yeah, you gotta go hard. So, so like, tell me about your approach. I mean, I'm, I'm curious. And tell me about a story that you've done recently that you felt a particular,

I'd love for. So I'd say that my, the thing that I like to do the most is edit pieces that take a very hard journalistic look at something really fucking stupid. Like for example. So I had a writer, I had a writer try to steal Mark Zuckerberg's trash. Oh, right. That's great. That's where he was great.

Um, he couldn't do it. He couldn't do it. There, yeah, there were like guards guarding his fucking trash. And then he goes up to the guy and he's like, can I look in the trash? He's like, it's not Mark's trash. But it's like out in front of his house. That's why Mark's trash. Why would you say that if it wasn't?

But with so many things, there's a guy there, his whole job is just to go, that's not Mark's trash. He's a little bit of a better redirect. Imagine he had, he had, he said Mark's name. Imagine it's Buckingham Palace and the guys in the hats instead of whatever they do, which like, you can't make him smile or something. Yeah, I tried when I was like 18 because of course.

Did you do it? I was like blink twice if you like your job and he blinked once. Oh, and now that guy's still blinking. That's him blinking twice with an accent. Yeah, yeah. But like imagine that those guys are there, but their job is to go, that's not Mark's trash. Yeah. That's not the greenstrash.

I love it, man. Yeah, that story is crazy. You also wrote, did you write the Art Bell, the quick art bell thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were talking about Art Bell. I don't know if people who are listening to this know who Art Bell is. Right, I don't know if you know who Art Bell is. Yeah, I know.

No, you do. I hope so. It's a very savvy guy. I know I love Lucy. Art Bell is a big, I love Lucy Finn. Art Bell is sort of the original, I mean, I think it's safe to say that without Art Bell at the X-Files, probably never would have existed.

I'd say so. You know, he's like the original conspiracy guy. But like, from a time, and I was just, we've been talking about this a little bit, and you know, editorial, and talking about this as a Katie drum at our editor, and I was saying like, you know, what's interesting is like, Art Bell came at a time that was so, his, the conspiracies were so innocent. Yeah. They were so like, like, like, what if our aliens abducting people are, you know, is the big foot real? Is there a giant hole in Montana

called Mel's Hole? Or maybe it's in Washington state, but. I've been to Mel's Hole. You've been to Mel's Hole? Into a couple of months. I know all about Mel's Hole. No, it's like stuff like the things they would cover on the X-Files, the old school X-Files, like the monster of the week episodes

where it'd be like a man who can collapse all of his bones. It'd be like, is there, it was like that. It was like Ripley's believe in a man in black. Yeah, yeah. Well, but men in black was a little more detail. This was like, you know, the cows are being mutilated. Is it aliens? Do we ever figure that out by the way? Is it aliens?

Uh, oh, are you talking about the milk cows? Oh, yeah, that was a treaty that the aliens made with Eisenhower, uh, an exchange for alien technology like Wi-Fi and like sanitary wipes and shit. Yeah. Wow, that's the two. Yeah. We need to ask wipes and Wi-Fi.

Yeah. And with sanitary wipes. Yeah, yeah, for hands or for hands. Oh, for hands and stuff. Yeah, or like a multi-purpose sanitary wipe. Yeah, yeah, they were later remarketed like a few years ago as sex wipes. Yeah.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. That's a good idea. Yeah, the life's. The life's shark tank and Hetty Lamar. It was aliens that came up with these. Yeah, yeah. Wait, what a head of Lamar and Vette.

Wi-Fi. Hetty Lamar and Vette Wi-Fi? I've heard this story is a true though. Well, she invented the wireless technology used to make Wi-Fi. I can confirm this with an expert. No, it's true. I don't want to confirm it. I like that's true.

That's true. That's crazy. That has not an expert with somebody who loves Hetty Lamar. I love Hetty Lamar too, and I remember like skimming that story, but I was like a couple of years ago there was a story on it, there's not been. You forget that. You don't tend to think about the people who invent things.

Fuck no. So we were talking about art bell. And you know, I was just saying like, now the conspiracy theories are like, the president of United States got pissed on it. We're actually going to tell her. Yeah, yeah. It's like, more plausible and specific.

But Alex Jones got started on Hartpout, right? On his show, Coast to Coast. I think I was, I was slacking you about this. Did I tell you that? You, you made this claim and I made a counter claim. Yeah. Which was that Alex Jones and Info Wars first started popping off after he raised a bunch of money to build like, to rebuild the Waco people's church. Are belted.

No, no, Alex Jones did. Alex Jones. Um, and I think that kind of the, the moment, the day the music died for conspiracy theories and innocence of them was when the Waco and Ruby Ridge raids got carried out. And then like the far right nuts were like, well, now we have confirmation that the government is coming to kill us and take our guns. We need all assault rifles to be legal. Interesting.

But you're saying you can draw a line from from art bell to Alex Jones, to Waco, to Timothy McVeigh. To Timothy McVeigh and to right wing extremism in America. Yep. And to Donald Trump. Yes. Wow. Yeah. Are you working on a piece about this? We'll see. No. I'm pregnant. Who's in there about whether this piece is a theory

you haven't heard before? A man or a woman? Well, right. I don't know. I don't really know where that's going. But, um, well, let's talk about Mad Men Markham. Are you aware of this Mad Men? Who?

Mad Men Markham. Was he a, this madman? Who madman markham was he a gun ad guy from the 60s who smoked a drank a lot and had sex with people better. He was impossible. He was you tell that to the Emmys. He was my favorite coast to coast caller. Okay. He was this guy who like stole some generators. He was like this redneck guy and like Kentucky or some shit. Yeah. And he stole some generators from the town dump or whatever the fuck. And he built this device in his garage and it created a force field.

No. And he calls into Art Bell. He's like, ah, hi, man. I got this damn force field here. What should I do with it? And Art Bell is like, well, I don't know. Maybe throw a penny out it. And so he throws a penny out it, the penny disappears.

And then- There's this fake, dude. No, it's real. It's on the radio. No, it's not real. And also how would- Do you think people would just go on the radio? I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I guess there should be holes in this story. First up, Matt Mann Markham is like- Mills hole? I like, yeah. He's like, I got some generators from the town dump or whatever. And I decided, what do I get to do with these? So you make a force field, which is like not like there's plans for it or it doesn't even make

any sense. Like what is like, what is a force field? It's a, it's a field of force. I don't see why I need to explain myself here. But and then there are people calling in like debating on air what madman Markham should do with the force field. What do you do? I think he walked through it. What happened? He just disappeared and resurfaced in like 2004. Dude, that isn't so not real at all. I love the idea that we're talking about it, but there's literally, there's literally not a single part of that story

that's believable in any way. I mean, do you know what I'm saying? But this is like early creepypasta. No, I know. Yeah. Yeah, it's the best. I mean, I love that you listen. Listen, here's one of the best things that I have a memory of this

and I don't know if you've ever done this. If you've ever been on a long, when Art Bell was on the radio, when you would listen to the radio, when there was a serious, and you'd be on a long drive at night and you put on art bell, art you turned, you tuned art bell. And there was no tomorrow with Joshua Zipowski. And when you have a creep fest like tomorrow, you had to find you. You would stumble upon, there was the stumble upon you. Yeah. But you had to literally stumble upon. You had to stumble upon. You had to literally stumble upon something on the radio.

And you would like, you know, the greatest, one of the greatest experiences of my life is like being in the car on a lonely open road at night and tuning into Art Bell, coast to coast. And just listening to these fucking weirdist talk about the creepiest, weirdest. Yeah. And he was like, it was like such a moment in time.

It was like a pre, look, the pre-wick of PDA moment. It's like, okay, I can go now look at all of the information about what we know about Bigfoot in like one second. But in an age when you like literally would have had to go to the library and take out a book on like, which I did. Oh, I did.

I did also. I was like heavy into ghost books when I was like 13. I was like, mom, I've got some stuff to blow your mind. Yeah, I was like a mega. I was, you know, I've got some stuff to blow your mind. Yeah, I was like a mega. I was, you know, I had, I never tell you about how I had a panic attack about a pit. I started, I started having panic attacks about spontaneous human combustion.

Wow. When I was like 12, I read a book that had a whole thing on spontaneous human combustion. And for like two weeks, I was like having like these micro panic attacks and I was going to spontaneously burst into flame. I think I, when I was like a freshman in high school, I actually did a presentation on spontaneous

human combustion. Yeah, it's fucking crazy, man. Yeah. That's the real stuff. Yeah. Anyhow, Art Bell was the person who was opening up that world to all of the people, all the young boys, all the young boys, who went on to have cool technology jobs or to vote for a reality TV stuff.

Yeah. I like to listen. I want to talk more Drew. There's so much more to say, but we have a short episode this week. So we have to wrap up. All right. You're about to come on the site and do your thing. I am.

You get some parting words that you were going to say. I do. All right. This is some like hot off the presses breaking news. I hope you guys are ready. Oh my God. You haven't found it because you've been in this warm room. What is happening?

What happened? So you know the like miracle on the Hudson plane guy, Sully. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, his, his name is not Sully Sullenberger. What's his name? Chelsea Sullenberger. Chelsea?

Yeah. I've always thought it was fucking S silly Sullen burger. Well, I assume Sully was a nickname. I just thought it was like Sullen yeah, I thought it was like Sirhan Sirhan Wow, I really thought I really thought I really thought first off Sullivan Sullen burger I just want to say you raised the you raised the threat level in this room really high and then deliver Yeah, I don't think so I don't't right. I felt it. I was like trumps dead. I was like, you're here. You're something. No, no, scrap the podcast, but you know, it's scrap the podcast. Yeah,

redoing it. We're talking about so it shell. See is it so on burger? Sullen, Sullen burger. I don't know those actual way by Tom Hanks. He was. He was. He was. That's fucking crazy. Yeah. Tom Hanks is so cool. Yeah. He's like one of the coolest actors. You know, I hope he doesn't milkshake duck at any point because I really love Tom Hanks. Oh, like a Weinstein situation.

Yeah. Oh, the idea of Tom Hanks being actually turning out to be a raper is really so. Like a racist or anything bad. Now he's cool. I, he's God. He's like, he's almost like Mr. Rogers. He's got to be cool. Laura was like, if she's like, that would be it. I mean, chat sucks. If, yes. Yeah.

If, no, no, chat's got bars. He's the most melodic. Thanks family. He actually is. All right. Okay, but really quickly, okay, I was gonna say whatever. Laura was like, I thought she's like, that would be it for me. If I found it, then Mr. Rogers was like, bad. She's like, I don't think I could go on. Just be done. No, I agree. I agree. Like, I think a lot of people would be like really broken.

Yeah. Yeah. I think we're clear with Fred Rogers, I hope. Yeah. But I thought I'd hang to still, we're still not out of the woods. Yeah. Who's the, who's Jimmy Savile? Yeah, I feel like he was like the British analog. He was like a very famous BBC presenter. Oh, he did this kind of work with children. Oh, yeah

I don't know other things that I don't follow with British people. I try to avoid them. We got to wrap up one really quick thing Drew drew does not type his stories when he works on a story on a computer. Tell the people how you, how do you do it? Tell them how you produce your stories for the outline. I typed them on an Alpha Smart 3000.

Which is a keyboard with a tiny like one line LCD screen that literally shows a line of text. Yes. And that's how he produces all of his content. Excellent work. Well, all of my like first drafts. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm not doing the cards and stuff on the AlphaCard.

Like a $20 Chromebook. And how do you get the files off of there? It has a cord. And you plug, it's like an old printer cord. You plug it into a USB slot, and you push a button that says send, and it shoots the text in the computer and it takes five minutes to put it in. It like art bell of the app.

It like literally. Yeah, it kind of is. It literally just like transmits the text to like a text document. As if the thing was typing it out. Incredible. Okay, true thank you. Thank you for joining us.

Thank you for having me. I'm really glad that we got you on here. I'm so glad that our schedule's lined up. That we can do it. We obviously have a lot more to talk about. And we should do a conspiracy episode tomorrow. We should do, we all three of us should do a conspiracy episode. Just come to the table with our best conspiracies.

And I can talk about the biggest secret by David Ike. Have we discussed that recently? No, but I saw you have a David Ike book on your desk. Yes, so the biggest secret. It's the biggest secret which encompasses all conspiracy. Good. It's fucking great. All right, Drew. Thank you so much. Of course. Thank you guys. We'll be back next week, because more tomorrow, and as always, I wish you and your family the very best. But let's be honest, your family does not have the kind of presence to make them as good or famous as a Beyonce.

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