Tomorrow - 115: Getting into Political Positions

Episode Date: May 4, 2018

To answer your question, yes, episode 115 contains more discussion of Kanye and Facebook – but this week Josh and Ryan also talk about incels, the two Koreas, and Josh’s crush on Vision. How depressing is the Tom Brokaw news? Listen folks, it’s bad. But luckily we chase it with some hopeful information about how you can help incarcerated moms this week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

¿Tienes una lista de esos momentos en los que no te atreviste? Bueno, esa lista es el pasado. Porque a partir de hoy tu yo inquieto va a estar al mando. Piénsalo, cuando te atreves, sacas lo mejor de la vida. La pregunta no es por qué, la pregunta es por qué no. Samyrel, por los que se atreven. Samyrel recomienda un consumo responsable. Hey and welcome to tomorrow I'm your host Joshua Tupulski. Today on the podcast, we discuss Thanos' dick, the Nobel Peace Prize, and Palm Springs.

I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. All right, we're back to another tomorrow. The new tomorrow, a better tomorrow, some might say Ryan is shaking his head. I'm here with the fantastic and talented Ryan Hullahan. Hi. Today we're not even doing a guest

that's gonna be me and Ryan chatting about the news because there's so much insane shit going on. And we're in a very strange situation because it's the air conditioning is broken at our office and it's 90 fucking degrees in New York for some reason on May 3rd, which is like, I don't know what's happening. I guess we just don't yesterday was the perfect day because it was nice out, but the subway stations were still really cold and that is such a dream.

It's not a perfect day today. No. The subway stations are like as whole. It's a gross ass day from hell. Anyhow, so our ear can just broken just a little warm in here. And, you know, I'm fine right now, but there could be a point where if you hear me sobbing quietly,

it's about humidity. It's because the humidity is making my hair so frizzy. I do have a lot of, it loses a huge impact in my hair from the, from the, from the weather out there. Do you have the problem? Um, my hair is like literally grows out like Brillo. So anything I can do all day every day to prevent that is,

is great. Uh, Brillo. With, with or without the kind of soaping, uh, piece of it depends on if I, let me have leave in condition or answer. It's brillo, because brillo is like, it's steel wool plus like a soap. Yeah, like a really harsh,

so your hair, if I rubbed your hair on something right now, I could clean it out. It's like a magic eraser. It's a pan with your hair right now. Okay, good. If I have any really bad shit to deal with, anyhow, all right, you know what, enough about the heat.

It's not the heat's not important. Nobody listening here. You're the version you're listening to this, you're not in New York the heat. It's not the heat's not important. Like, nobody listening. You're not listening. The version is listening to this. You're not in New York right now. All our listeners live in Alaska. In London, they all live in London, England. And London, Ontario. It's weird, but our entire listenership

is based in both London's. Really some really bad SEO on our part. Very unusual. Why did we target just places called London? Anyhow, it's been a crazy week. A lot of things have happened. The president is in bad shape. Cambridge, Cambridge Analytica is shut down. Mark Zuckerberg is confused about Facebook. Has it never used a social media? Tom Broca is a sex harasser.

The Avengers did a war. Spoilers spoilers. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. All of the Avengers are dead. They killed Iron Man, Captain America, Black Panther, Wolverine, Superman, Superb, Bugs Bunny, Dracula, Batman and Robin and the new Robin and Christina

Aguilera. It was very strange. Actually, have you seen the paper photos with Christina Aguilera? She looks like an angel. Delicious. Like an angel. You can say that I can't because I'd be in a Me Too situation, but you can say whatever you want.

She looks like a confection from Willy Wonka. I'll be honest, she's very beautiful. And I think until I saw these paper photos, by the way, Paper Magazine has, by the way, one of our old interns works there, actually Peyton Dix, who's great and I love, the Paper Magazine I counted on their mass, they have 21 interns.

They have 21 interns and like four editors. I'm like, that's something that's not a good time to see it. I was like, I don't know about this. And I would like to know if they're paying the interns anyhow, but I was in a hotel recently reading paper magazines, that's the only place you can get paper. And they have this photo spread of Christine Aguilar,

you brought her up totally randomly, but it's like her without makeup, or with like, she looks so good. Makeup that is meant to look like no makeup, and she looks so beautiful. She's definitely wearing makeup, but it's like the bare face look. But what's cool is that like,

she's the face of an angel. Yeah, it's cool because she spent so long covered in like real drag aesthetic. The thing about Kris and I, Lairis, she always was like, we had way too much makeup on. I don't even think there is a thing as too much makeup. There is a choice.

It's a scale and she like the heavy-end. I can make a call from my opinion. One man's opinion. Okay. I just felt like she overdid on makeup. Yeah. That's just my opinion. Yeah. What does my opinion mean? But she looks great now. She looks really beautiful. Her new song is a little bit of a snooze, but she's promoing something. I didn't know she promoted something. It's a little snooze. About her songs. I don't get it. But Kanye is producing parts of her album. No, not interested. Don't care.

We should talk about Kanye. We should talk about Kanye. We should talk about Kanye. We should talk about Kanye. Okay, let's get into the news. Did you watch the Kanye Charlemagne interview? No, because I value my time and lunch. I watched it and I will tell you it's worth watching.

Well, like, here's the thing. I don't... I saw the TMZ appearance and that was... That was wild. I think that broke. I think that broke any of you. If you don't, I saw the, the TMZ appearance and that was, that was why I think that broke, I think that broke any, you don't know what we're talking about. Kanye had a meltdown last, started to have some kind of weird meltdown, meltdown with in a meltdown. It was like, it was like a meltdown, it's a meltdown section where he's like, you know, we talked about this last week, I think, it was like he's like, mag, he's like pro Trump and like, I'm

into free thought and he's like, you know, just like, um, he's like white supremacy isn't real. By the way, I love white supremacists. He's like saying all so many things that are so insane. Her end has to come out of Kanye West mouth that it's like, you're like, what is fucking going on? Like, and it definitely seemed like he was just kind of losing his shit. And then he hooked up with Harvey Levin. Then he went to TMZ.

Well, I don't know if the Charlemagne, the Charlemagne is old, right? The Charlemagne, the God interview? It's older, but it was just published. It's pre-the TMZ thing. Right. So, so then he did that and he has this TMZ appearance. Let's talk about the interview because I haven't seen it, but I'm curious.

It's fascinating. He, in it, says some of the most rick or reflective insightful things, like truly like a memoir I would read, like really amazing thoughts about like his place in culture, even though I do think he's a narcissist or like an at least an egoist, he has some really fascinating thoughts about like what Obama meant and what he means as like an opposite

of Obama and a lot of like really interesting stuff that I thought was fascinating. But he chases it with complete hypocrisy, complete nonsense, where he talks about like we need to deal with the fact that there are people in this world who are suffering and like, we need to raise them up. And it's on us to like, he wants easy to be a company

that can provide clothes sort of like toms, but for relief situations. And also like, the fashion's can be super accessible but not compromise on quality. Like, he really wants to be democratizing. And then in the same breath, he says stuff like billionaires are cool, I don't believe in socialism. Like it's this weird dichotomy.

And it's weird because he clearly needs therapy, even just talking about his wife or his family, he desperately needs therapy. And when he was asked if he's gone to therapy, he said, you know, I just talked to people I know and they give me feedback. I'll keep them on the phone for 45 minutes. And that's really therapy to me.

And it's sort of like living in public, confessing your deepest reflections and thoughts about society to strangers or like at least mutuals, with your heart on your sleeve, but also being too narcissistic to actually go to therapy, to be too narcissistic to humbly say like, I could be wrong. I don't know

things. Yeah. And he talks about how he doesn't, in it, how he doesn't, like, he wants freedom of thought, he wants freedom of information, he's talking about how he craves information, he craves knowledge. In the same breath, he's like, I don't like to read. I don't want like someone telling me what to think. But what do you, how do you, that doesn't make any sense for me. That's just ignorant. I mean, that's just a ignorant. You can't be like, I'm telling you all the answers and how to think and feel, and how you should think and feel, end up on this fucking free thought tip,

and not like actually have access to the information you need to have free thought. You can't have free thought without information. You can think, oh, it's a shit, but you're not really, you're not free. You're living in sorts of shit, but it's like, you're not really, like, you're not free. You're living in a box you made. Yeah.

Having, having, being able to know the facts and then decide your, like, path through those facts is like, how real free thought works. But like, you can't just be like, I think it's like, you can't say Trump is cool and I'm recontextualizing Make America Great Again. If you can't acknowledge what Trump is cool and I'm recontextualizing make America great again. If you can't acknowledge what Trump is, it's not real. To him, he's like, I got, he said in the interview, I don't know any of the facts. They don't know his policies, but I had a gut feeling that I liked him. Yeah, that's not real.

That's crazy. That's stupid. That's ignorant. I mean, and like the reality is like, so then, I mean, you couple that with the TMZ thing, which is like, he went to TMZ and he said that slavery was a choice, 400 years of slavery sounds like a choice. And like one of the black staffers stood up to him, which I'm like, why do you work at TMZ, dude?

You know where you work, right? But like he stood up to him and he was like, hey, fuck you. Like you don't realize that it's a facts real people. And he had no response. Oh, he was like started apologizing apparently. There's like clips of him like going like, look, I'm sorry, bro.

I'm sorry, bro. It's like, look, here's the reality. Kanye, you know, first off, it's like, like the people around him need to, I really think he's having like, I don't think this is, a lot of people are like, this is record promotion. Like he's just promoting his new album.

And it's like maybe Started that way opioid addiction because he got bad He's saying about how he was like oh dude on the TMZ interview He's like addressing he's like talking to Harvey Levin and then like he breaks from that conversation turns around to the entire Staff of TMZ which is a big fucking room of people. Yeah, we've all started screaming at people there About how he was how he was on opioids. He was addicted to opioids because he got liposuction because TMZ and the public made him feel like he was putting on weight or whatever. And it's like, first off, you could just go on a diet.

Like you don't have to get liposuction. It's not like I'm putting on weight, I gotta get liposuction. But he doesn't recognize that his reality with Kim and that family isn't reality for other people. If their liposuction's not the next step, I'm sure they're like, oh, Kanye, just get liposuction. I believe they have a recovery suite in their home

for surgery, like they get so many surgeries in big sense to just make a recovery suite in your home, to live in that reality, and then not understand that like ask a nutritionist. Right, I think it's like, I think it's like, it's, so yeah, so he starts like, so he's screaming at the staff about his life of sexual which is like dude,

this is like not a normal problem that you're describing and like it does suck that you had an opioid addiction but also probably preventable if you were not, like if your life wasn't a reality show. But I think he really is like an avatar for what a lot of people are doing with social media, which is like being a micro celebrity, like I have 4,000 followers on Instagram

and I post like my looks and I post my feelings and my reactions to things, but that makes you feel like you, it makes you feel special and it, you get rewarded for that kind of sharing, but that kind of sharing isn't productive, like therapy, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's not real. It's like, I think the thing is, you know,

I, there is an enormous amount of, of, what's the way to think of it? Talking without thinking, just like blasting some shit out there and being like, hey, here's my thought. You know, it's like, it's actually like, like, like, chance was like, he responded when Kanye was like, first recognized like, black people don't have to be Democrats and it's like, okay, totally valid. You're, what you're saying is, you're basically endorsing what Kanye is saying in this, like,

not looking at the context. Right. In this momentary way and actually, and then the, like, he's not looking at the context. Right. In this momentary way. And actually, in the next day, he's like, actually, I'm sorry I shouldn't have said that, like, because he basically is endorsing really, really, like, disturbing and negative behavior by going like, oh yeah, like quit,

like, let him do his thing. And it's like, it's not, I think like, the thing about like, something like Kanye is, he occupies a very different, because he is a black man in America and he has achieved such a massive amount of success, like,, it's not, I think like, the thing about, like something like Kanye's, he occupies it very different because he is a black man in America and he has achieved such a massive amount of success, like like it or not, but this is all, and extraordinarily talented, and I know people constantly say it, but he is an extraordinary talent.

I mean, I, he, and he is, he has been one of the most outspoken, I mean, truly like has made some, what I consider to be protest music about race in America and racism and the experience of being a black man in America. And like, you know, you go back and listen to stuff like on uses, like new slaves and shit. It's like really powerful, it's fucking powerful music about like his experience in the world. And to think about that, compared to what he's saying now

and the people he's endorsing and the way he's talking, and like to look at the legion of fans who are impacted by and affected by the things he's saying, it seems so fucking crazy to me. It seems so sad. It's so sad, honestly, more than anything. It's like he's honestly, more than anything. It's like, he's destroying his legacy, first off. I really think he's whatever he's doing now

is destroying what he has done. But it also is these fucking alt-right motherfuckers and Donald Trump are embracing Kanye who is such a huge celebrity, who has been such a huge celebrity, who has been such a, such a loud voice, representing like a completely different place, representing completely different position, both like culturally and sort of like artistically.

And it's like now it's being fucking co-opted by these fucking red pill game regate Maga hat wearing mother fuckers who suck shit so bad. You know, and it's like, the whole thing is just like a gross mess. Well, I think like in the Charlemagne interview, he talks about how he comes to these conclusions that I think are remarkable to come to

with outside information. He talks about how artists and business people, and business people make more money than artists, even though they're more common. You can find business people to work at a label, and it's shocking that that replaceable skill, it makes more money than an artist does, and he talks about how he went into fashion

because he wanted to own the factories. He wanted to own his own brand and create generational wealth and to create the ability to be a creative and not have an album with Paul McCartney turned into a single song for Rihanna. Have that be, that was my vision. I put it out. If you don't like it, tell me, but I want control.

And as a black person and as an artist, he's never been able to get that. And he comes to these conclusions that are remarkable and insightful. And all I can think is, how much farther could his brain go or his intelligence go or his insights go, if you fucking read a book?

Like the fact that, well it's funny you should mention that. We have a great reading list on the outline.com which is we asked many, many very smart people what would you tell Kanye to read and we created a reading list for him. And I agree with you, like he should fucking read some books. But he doesn't even know Trump's policies,

but he sees the rhetoric of success and individualism and like all of that stuff. And he's like, there's value there. And nobody's saying there isn't value there. They're saying it's hollow and hypocritical and Trump is a fascist. That's what they're saying. Nobody's saying that like every American should be

successful and you know, like we all agree with that. But it's not like, you know what I mean? Like he doesn't understand how the Trump policies are not actually leading to that like that it's a lie. But it's like he's not looking at anything. He's buying the campaign site. He's buying the public persona, which is like, listen, a lot of people did, but like you just,

I mean, I'm sorry, just just so far away from like Kanye's, his positions historically, and the positions of, I would say the people around him, and in the community of whether it's fashion or a rap or just art in general. I don't feel the sentiment, that he's sentiment that he's sharing. Now, he can call himself a free thinker all he wants

and he may be going against the grain, but going against the grain doesn't mean anything. It's easy to be contraignant. Yeah. It's easy to say the opposite of what everybody else is saying. It's easy to be like, oh, you think Trump's bad. Well, actually, I think Trump's pretty cool. Like, yeah, you can get other people skin doing that.

Like, if your goal is to just agitate, like, congratulations, but people aren't gonna fucking... But so is a murder. But they're also not gonna... That's very agitating. They're not gonna pay attention to what you say very much if you keep doing that. And it's like, to me, it feels like Kanye had something to say.

And now Kanye has nothing to say. Yeah. Like, what I hear him saying is nothing. It's like, just one, it's feels, it looks and feels like the mind of a person who's ill and needs help. And two, if it's not that, it's simply provocative for the sake of being provocative with no real understanding or meaning behind it, which is either way, it's like fucking sad and disappointing. All right, we should move on from Kanye. We should talk a lot about Kanye. Well, we should talk about another one of our comments.

Oh my God. We have to talk about Facebook. Yeah, because as you said, Zuckerberg, the media clear, he does not know how Facebook works. Yeah, I think the thing is like, you know, we talked about this a while ago. We had a piece where, you know, Zuckerberg was like, or I think maybe I quoted,

maybe I'd be ran a short thing, which is a quote from him. And it was like, he's like, well, I don't wanna be the guy, has to go make the decision about what happens on my service. I shouldn't be the person making that decision. It's like, well, actually,

you kind of in charge of it. And you, there are leaders for reasons, we need them to help us. I mean, there are leaders for reasons. Like, we need them to like help us. I mean, Trump's a great example, you know? Like, good leaders can be really incredible for the people that they lead and bad leaders can be really a corrupt development, you know? And leaders who avoid making decisions

or act like those decisions aren't theirs to make are often really dangerous. I realize I'm saying this to a CEO, but not everybody should be the CEO. Not everybody who found a company needs to that position. I'm thinking about stepping away from the whole thing, but it's a real pain, right? It sucks.

And it's not what your talent to create something or being a visionary, the dudes don't go hand in hand. I mean, the idea that there's a logical path from Mark Zuckerberg creating a face match where you could rate girls to being the CEO of a company where two billion people interact with each other every day is like a not very good

Walk logically speaking. It's like I don't know that he has any of the Truly like important qualities necessary. I have to like it He has to like getting so deep into his product that he understands what's going on and developing countries with Facebook's free services. Yeah, it's like you're good, oh, it's like you're good at making products that people love to use. Like, wow, because that's definitely a talent. Yeah.

But like that doesn't mean- Johnny Ives is very talented. Yeah, but it doesn't mean like CEO of Apple. Right, it doesn't mean you should be making the decisions about all of what that product does. I think there's a couple of things you mentioned like they're giving free services to people in developing countries,

which has been truly kind of a debacle, which they've ceased to do in many places quietly, which we wrote about. But there's also this, we wrote this article about that he doesn't know how it works. It's been a couple of articles, people were like, I think the Atlantic kind of thing, it's like he doesn't understand journalism. It's like, yeah, there's a lot of like, I think the Atlantic and I think it's like, he doesn't understand journalism. And it's like, yeah, there's a lot of shit that I would imagine Mark Zuckerberg doesn't understand.

Like I don't pretend to be really good at code, right? Or like necessarily like, you know, when I think my strength is like building a product, like Facebook, I mean, I wouldn't build a product like Facebook, I guess let's put it that way. But like, you know, you gotta know your strengths and your weaknesses. And I think the idea that you have to be, I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way.

I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way.

I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. I'm not gonna talk about it in my own way. entire business, especially when he says stuff that's like, you know, there's this, we have, we quote, a wired article where he says, I didn't understand all the details on things like how we were using external data on our ad system. And he said, I was, I'm going to sit down with this team and learn exactly how all of the stuff I didn't, I didn't know. And it's like, look, your entire fucking business is predicated on ads. It's your whole business. You, everything you do in the business is designed to increase attention and time spent on ads. This is Facebook, you know. You're telling me you don't know how you're using data in that system. That's either a fucking lie or really scary. You know, the Mark Zuckerberg would, you know?

Like, I'll be honest with you. No, of course, we're not Facebook, but I know exactly how the odds work here. And exactly how we use data. But it's the core of your business. Like that's the core of his business. Like it's insane. Mm-hmm.

But don't you think there's something about business which I think is true about a couple of things and this ties into the whole Michelle Wolf White House correspondence interthing? Where I think like business, teaching kids or parenting, comedy, there are things that people I think, like Nora Everund had that quote in when Harry Metzali that she said regularly,

which is everyone thinks they're funny and everyone thinks they have good taste, but they can't possibly all be funny and have good taste. That's correct. And I think everyone thinks that they're a genius about comedy, they know what's funny and why it's funny. Everyone thinks they can be funny and have good taste. That's correct. And I think everyone thinks that they're a genius about comedy. They know it's funny and why it's funny. Everyone thinks they can be a business person

because they had an idea. Everyone thinks that they know the best way to parent a kid. And we all need to be honest and say, those are really hard fucking things to do. They're universal things, but we need to be honest and say, Allah, Kanye needing to be honest. I don't know what I'm doing with this.

I have no experience. I haven't learned this. I haven't practiced it. I'm not a comedian. So maybe if I'm Laura Ingram, I can just shut the fuck up about what's funny and what's not funny. Because comedy is hard,

and I've been doing it for a decade. I wouldn't presume to say something like that. And then funny about that statement, folks. But it makes me mad. Is there same thing with business? Not everybody's a business person. I agree. I agree with you.

Look, but the thing is Zuckerberg has certainly found his way into the situation through very real work. You know, it's not like he just was handed the keys to face. No, nobody's saying he's not. He didn't feel it. I mean, he held on to that incredible fact. I just think it's interesting to see how, I know, I think a lot of it is,

a lot of it is him sort of just pretending, him being like playing the ignorant, like, oh, well, I didn't really realize it. No, I'm so sorry guys. We made bombs? I just thought I was running grubbits. It's right, he was exactly, exactly. He's like, I thought we were just doing plane parts.

We're also making bombs, like, you know, I said down with the teams, and I realized, well, okay, I thought we were just doing plane parts. We're also making bombs. Like, I, you know, I said, I'll look into that. I said, down with the teams and I realized, well, okay, I guess we are making the weapons that kill children. I had not occurred in New Bill. You know, I'm looking into it. I do think a lot of it is like,

oh, you fucking know, man. You know how it works, but you're playing dumb. But it's like one way or the other, either you're lying or you don't know. Either one of those, either one of the situations is really bad. And like, you know, I don't wanna belabor Facebook because we've talked about it a lot recently.

Yeah. Except to say that, you know, I think increasingly, I mean, when I think about a lot and what I've been talking about a lot, I talked to Casey Johnson about this the other day, is this just a perverse nature of our current reality, which is like we built a system where, you know, I have to, like, hit a button to tell a person that I prove of a thing they said.

Like, yeah, what is that thing? That's not a thing. No. Like, some of people do. Yeah, you're not in conversation and people's thumbs go up. There's no transaction that I have to do. Like, like, when I, when I talk to you, like, when I transaction that I have to do. When I talked to you, when I first met you and we talked, I wasn't like, Ryan, I approve of you. I was like, I like this guy. If you didn't said that, I would have been like, this is a psychopath with social problems. And you'd been like, can we hang out more? No, but I was like, I like Ryan. I think we could work well together. He seems like a good guy. Maybe we'll be friends. He's like very subtle, frictionless thoughts,

like not like, not even thoughts maybe, just like a feeling. But it's closer to like an Instagram story than it is to a Twitter or Facebook post because there's no reaction. You just kind of absorb it. Yeah, it's just how you feel. Exactly, you know who saw it. Now that, the funny thing is like, like,

disappear. There are frictionless signals that you can pick up on that exist in behavior that tell you someone's likelihood, they're affinity for something, for a person, a piece of content, whatever. But the way we do it is not through a subtle, meetered, slow burn kind of like,

oh, is this person? Oh, they keep talking to, you know, I keep talking to Ryan, maybe Ryan and I, but it's like not like that. It's like, oh, you are my friend. I like what you're saying. Oh, you give me some other reactions. I'm sad about what you're saying.

I'm mad about what you're saying. I'm, that makes me feel stressed. It's like, this perverse way of compartmentalizing our interactions with one another is fucking insane. And I will say this, I think we have to increasingly look at the entire system and really ask ourselves, like what the system is asking from us, like what it wants from us and why we're doing it.

Because I'll be honest with you, like, I don't need likes to enjoy Instagram. In fact, likes give me stress. Yeah, I get it in the way. Like I don't wanna have to like tell you I approve. Yeah. And I don't need to have to like tell you I approve. Yeah. And I don't need to be ranked on whether you approve of my meaningless points. Like, it is just a game of popularity.

Yeah. It is just a, it's about like, oh, actually, I've got X amount of followers. So how many do you have? You know, it's like, what do you gain from that? Here's what I can tell you can gain. You can sell ads to people. You can become, you can get to some level of what is considered fame,

which is really what the game is. People will want to feel famous. Like they don't want to feel like throwing a fucking reality so they want to feel like they're in the spotlight. You can't. Why would you want that? That's a weird thing to me. It's of course fame is the worst part of performance.

But you know the numbers, right? I mean, YouTube touts these numbers. They're like 80% of kindergarteners want to be YouTube stars when they grow up. Sick. Well, we're making, we've built a reality that is predicated on being seen, on being seen and being popular. And it's okay to say you want to be seen. But for example, when you just stand up, you get feedback from the audience, people, but people laugh. And you know if they liked it or they didn't like it. Should that mechanism apply to every area of your social interaction?

Is that healthy? Of course not. No, but it's not healthy for 10 minutes. And it absolutely does apply to so many things now. Like there is, there are so few forums that we can be in where you are able to speak and not have your speech rated. Yeah. Not have your images rated.

Not have your fucking, your personality, the way you are, the way you think, like cataloged and ranked. Like that is not like YouTube is not, I get it's an incredible tool for connecting people, Facebook and credible tool for connecting blah, blah, blah. The reality is we're asking people to make these really strange transactional considerations as they spend time with one another and they are doing it in a space that that anonymizes and abstracts who they are as people and makes them into like a being that is a representation of something that they're projecting into the world, a projection of who they think they are or want to be. And so this whole system of fabrication,

both from like the at the level of how we interact, the level of who we are is fucking perverse. And I mean in the truest sense of the word, it is like a, it is a derangement of human interaction. It is not an improvement. It is not, it is, does not bring us somewhere. It's making us sick. It's making us, it is making us ill.

It's poison. It is a virus, I really believe this. And like there are things about social media that are really powerful and I love. But there are so many more things. But for every Black Lives Matter, there is thousands of tweets like kill yourself. You're disgusting.

I'm gonna kill your family. And the, in the moment between thought and action and the social, the physical barriers, the kind of like personal pressure that exists in a physical space or in an environment where you actually have to like confront people, doesn't exist, right? So none of the safety's are on. You can say or do whatever you want. I had it. Look, I had some, we all need editor. I had some email me today. None of the safeties are on. You can say or do whatever you want. There's no editing. Look, we all need editor.

I'd send me email me today. They're like, I see you blocked me on Twitter. I've had these emails before. I'll block people through assholes. Just, if you're being a fucking dick to me, for no reason, like I don't need another person in my life talking to me like an asshole. Yeah.

So I'll block people and this guy wrote to me today and he's like, I just realized you blocked me. And, you know, I didn't say this. I assume it was about this. I wasn't trying to be this's like, I just realized you blocked me. And I didn't say this, I assume it was about this. I wasn't trying to be this or that. I just speak in my mind. It's like, well, you know what, asshole? Like being addicted to me is maybe feel good to you,

maybe feel good to you at the moment. But for me, I don't need to see it. And the idea that it's so funny that you're like, you're not entitled to talking to me. And if you're gonna randomly say what you wanna say to a random stranger and it's gonna, sometimes it'll be misinterpreted. Sometimes you're an asshole.

Everyone, here's a deal. Everyone can say whatever they want. You don't get, you don't get guaranteed a fucking megaphone. And you do not get a guarantee about how people will treat you after you say it. And it's like, that's the, that's the social contract we, we have, right? It's like, you could say, like in America, freedom of speech is a real thing. We basically let people say whatever the fuck they want.

If it's not going to cause direct damage to someone like fire and a crowded theater, you can say it. You know, but like, but like, you don't get a guarantee that you'll have a megaphone on you when you say it. And you don't get a guarantee that you'll have a megaphone on you when you say it. And you don't get any promises about how people will treat you or react to you when you've said it. And I think that we have created these environments where we actually have removed a lot of the normal ideas

about how people interact because some fucking kids, some young people, and they were, look, the creators of Twitter and Facebook, were children, were kids with Tinder, were young when they made those things. And I'm not saying age matters, but you do learn things as you get older. I'm smarter now than I was when I was 25.

I mean, I was a fucking idiot when I was 25. But, I'm 28, and I'm a fucking idiot. That doesn't mean that young people don't do great things. I mean, that's like the children are a future. I mean, no fucking question. But the Whitney knew. But the Whitney really did know. But the reality is, is that like,

the idea that I would base my, some of my most important moments in life and my most important social interactions on a concept built in 2004 or whatever, by Mark Zuckerberg at college, because that's what we're working off of. Like society is functioning off of it. It's insane.

One guy is the idea. It's insane. And the more he says dorm room, I kind of think the worst that off that it is. Twitter's not the best idea on how to interact with people. Facebook's not the best idea to interact with people. It does not take into account a lot of really important things about what humanity is and does.

And so the whole thing to me is increasingly, it's less about like Mark Zuckerberg did this or did that. And obviously we're gonna cover some of that stuff, but to me, it's increasingly about like, what are we all doing here again? Like what is going on? Like why do we want this? What are we getting out of it?

You know, and I think that a lot of people feel the way right now and I think a lot of people, at least a lot of people, I know have spent, have spent, have put a real effort into saying, you know what? I don't want to look anymore. Yeah. I'm not going to look anymore. And I find myself increasingly looking last, you know? And honestly, I see that, I see that mirrored in a lot of different things, but I see it in our, like, the way people come to our website. Increasingly, it is a diverse set of places that are sending traffic. It's not like Twitter and Facebook. Or in the early days, we only launched a year and a half ago, less than a year and a half ago. But yeah, the

first, we were like, oh wow, a lot of social traffic. But as we have grown and as we have worked really hard, what we've seen is there's a lot of other sources that are sending people in through the front door. And I think like there's a lot of other sources that are sending people in through the front door. And I think that like, there's a real fatigue around this stuff. I'm fatigued. I'm dying right now just thinking about it. Well let's move on. We kind of buried the lead here because the biggest news in the world is that the Koreas

are meeting and putting aside some of their differences. Yeah, so I mean, what I'll say here is like we've been here about North Korea. Our century of war. I mean, we've been hearing about North Korea or century of war. I mean, we've been hearing about North Korea that particularly in the past, you know, two decades, it has really become a talking point certainly in the last 10 years, has become a very, you know, everything's North Korea was like,

hey, we're gonna develop nukes and we're gonna like threaten to shoot a nuke at Guam because we're just completely off our rocker. You know, it's North Korea's this thing where, you know, with Trump is this, you know, he's big bully who wants to talk about, you know, swing his, whatever he has. Chode. Swing his dick around, but I doubt it does much swinging based on what I think of him, and what I know of him. You know, but like whatever he, he wanted to seem very, like,

tough on Korea, and there, he's like, then he's like, we're going to meet with Korea. And now, like, somehow, and I'm not giving him any credit at all. Oh, you mean you don't think he should be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize? I mean, I will say this, the Korea's are talking. There clearly has been a change in behavior from North Korea. It is definitely possible, not on purpose, but Trump is so, seems so fucking unstable and deranged. And somewhat stupid about international or foreign policy, that like, I, it's possible that North Korea was like, listen,

like, we're crazy, but this guy is like, batch and crazy. We're playing at crazy, this guy is. This guy is batch and crazy, and also he is like the US army. And he's like, he's like a military and crazy bag of hammers. Yeah. So they might have been like, I mean, first of all, I don't think Trump deserves any prizes for anything. He deserves, he deserves a pair of handcuffs. But don't you think North Korea saw him and was like, we could do a lot more evil together? I think, I think North Korea saw what was going on. And they're like, this is way too unstable for, like we could get away with it

because of us because a lot of, you at least had the assurance that no US president, even some of the really bad ones would like just drop a nuke on North Korea anytime soon because like there's so many ramifications, there's the South Korean ramification, there's the China issue, which is huge, their allies. But you know what, Trump, it's kind of like, oh is huge, they're allies.

But with Trump, it's kind of like, oh, maybe he'll just go straight up to war with North Korea over nothing because he sucks. And they probably felt that. So no, he doesn't deserve a fucking peace prize. But I won't, I, Trump's a pile of garbage and I hate his fucking guts. I'm glad this is happening, but I will not. I cannot rule out, not like as it, as it, like he had a strategy,

because I know all these fucking trumpers are like 40 chest, bro. It's not 40 chest, but I think Trump is an erratic, irrational, probably has dementia, a person who can't be trusted and you don't know he's the end of next. And this troop with every interaction, like today, he's like, yeah, stormy Daniels, I paid for that, or whatever, after Giuliani is like, yeah, he paid Stormy Daniels.

His doctor is like, yeah, he dictated his medical letter. He dictated his medical records to me. His doctor is like, yeah, he takes propitio to keep his hair. Which is fine, you know, Donald, don't be embarrassed. It's fine. You know what, you wanna keep your fucking hair? It's totally valid.

Me too. I don't wanna lose my hair. No, no one does. No. You know, just fucking own it. Own it. Anyhow, he can't own it because he's a asshole. But, uh, yeah, I think, but I think that we can't rule out that that his, his erratic behavior has some impact on this thing. And it's good. I want the Koreas to come together. I want the people of North Korea to not live under a fucking oppressive dictatorship. And I hope that someday Kim Jong-un

and the rest of the people around him who've committed some pretty heinous acts are brought to some kind of justice. Maybe the Dakotas and the Caroline can follow their lead and several different things. Yeah, the Dakotas. Never. Never.

Never. Went to the States. When is mad about the Dakotas and the there different. Yeah, the, the, the, Never. Never. Went to, went to this. When is Matt about the Dakota's, the Carolina's. I didn't even know there was still a drama, but, yeah, I mean, they, they're not talking. I don't pay attention. Next. Yeah, if you see Avengers Infinity War. I haven't seen it, but I hear Thanos is really hot

and it's what everybody's saying. He is definitely a dad, but I'll say this. Is he, can we all agree? He's like space hit learned. We shouldn't be fetishizing him. Is he a snack though? He's like a full meal. Oh, really?

He's like, he's like, when you go to Disney and they do that 16 course dining. Do you know what I mean? Do you know what I mean? Does he like pansexual? Like do we know where he, I don't even know if he is sexual being outside of like my personal fanfic?

Does Thanos have a penis? Oh yeah, he's gotta be so hurt but he's gotta be hurt. He like canonically is in love with death and then Marvel-y rebirth. Like death like the idea? No, death is like a literal person. That's cool. They're like, you know what'd be cool is if death

was like a comic book character. Yeah, she's a lady. Oh, she's a lady. Lady death. Like in the grim adventures of Billion Man. You never heard of it at any rate. So I haven't seen it. I'm avoiding, I mean, you know, I like typically watch Marvel movies when they are available as video on demand offering. Because I don't really care. Though I have said this before, I'm rooting for the Avengers now, because I hate the DC movie so much that I want to see them totally destroyed in every way, shape and form. You leave Wonder Woman out of that.

No wonder what you're back at there yet. I've not seen it yet. It's out in May 8th. Okay, here's what happened. I was like, shit, I gotta see it. And then I saw the pre-order date, and I was like, well, that's only a couple of weeks. It was just like a few weeks ago.

I was like, well, that's only a couple of weeks. I'm like like a few weeks ago. I was like, well, that's only a couple of weeks. I'm like, I'm just gonna wait. So good. I know, I know. Listen, it's been a very, I don't know if you read the Wall Street Journal article. It's been a lot of shit going on lately, okay? Yeah, we're gonna talk, I need money.

I have 20 bucks waiting for you right now. But anyhow, so I haven't seen it. I heard that like, here's what I have, here's what I've, I don't wanna spoil it for anyone listening. Here's what, okay, spoilers potentially, but here's what I've perceived from not reading anything, but just like accidentally seeing tweets.

This is my takeaway, okay? Skippers, skip. I don't even know, I'm like, I don't even have details. Here's what I understand, I believe happens. You tell me if this is correct or not. The stakes have never been higher. You know, all out galactic war between Thanos, who's a bad guy who wants the, the stones, the infinity stones, to put into his infinity gauntlet, which will

give him, I guess, world destroying power, because that's always what it is. Do you want me to tell you or not? Something like that. Each of them has like a, a kind of power that could be cataclysmic, and with them all together, you're basically like God, like you're the editor of the universe. Like you can like move a mountain. Just anything, you can just think it, and that's what it is. Like anything at all? Anything at all.

Like it's infinite power. Like you can like make something out of nothing, like a new type of being. Sure. Really? You can do anything. It's a cool idea. But with that power, what do you think he does? Well, I'm guessing he wants to wipe out humanity.

Okay. That's my guess. Okay. Spoilers. Do you want spoilers? Sure. I mean, skip if you're going to skip. He wants to use it to basically do a DaVinci code scenario where you can kill like half of the population so that the other half can enjoy all the resources and we won't like the environment will be saved and but of earth no the whole universe wants to kill half of everything like reverse tomorrow land But the issue with this like like The issue with this but that's about but just to be clear At its core like it's a little twist on

Everybody like apocalypse whoever yes, it's a who's the guy from the X-Men movie, who's the Egyptian guy? Guy with a apocalypse. No, no, no, from the X-Men movie, apocalypse. Is it apocalypse? And he's like, I have to cleanse this world. That's why he talks, because that's how they all talk.

I must cleanse. I must cleanse. Sorry, I'm scared. I said, yeah, no, he's, I'm sorry, Oscar Isaac is doing this. Being a fuckable superman. I must cleanse this world. It's like, okay, we get it.

You got all the people, they're not saying. The following false gods, scrapping your bubbles. Yeah, whatever. It's like Thanos is like, I must cleanse this world. It's like, we get it. You want to cleanse the world with your brain. To make it great for some other people.

Yeah. I'm sorry, the Avengers, it's like the stakes are, there's nowhere to go. He should be like, I don't want to do anything. That's what it should be. The villain should be like, you know what? I'm not going to do anything. I just want the stones and I'm out. He should be like, I don't want to do anything. That's what it should be. The villain should be like, you know what? I'm not gonna do anything. I just want the stones and I'm out.

And just let people, and just let them get nervous just so they don't know what he wants. He could have just made more resources. Like, instead of killing everybody, he could have just made the court. Okay, hold on a second. So let me get to the thing that I was actually, I don't care about what Thanos wants.

Cause here's what I know about Thanos. He's not gonna get it. He's not gonna kill half the universe at the end of the Avengers movie. Okay. Well, spoiler alert, he did. Okay, sure he did. Because here's what I hear,

picking up from the tweets out there. He did. It seems like something really crazy happens, but then there's some post-credits scene that somehow absolves the craziness. The post-credits scene is that they send a message to Captain Marvel, who's basically the superman of the Marvel universe, and she's gonna come

by Brie Larson, who I love. A real talent. Yes. Scott Pilgrim's own Brie Larson. So good. And so the idea is that like, she's gonna come see even part two and the next year we'll get part two

and it's essentially one long story So it's like the Empire Strikes Back. Yeah, or it's like in comic books when they do Of those events there's two part events this cap die Cap does not die does vision die. Yes, oh, yeah, real dies like real dad nah No vision Gomorrah and a couple other people are like real dead kill Gom killed Gamora? Yeah, sorry. Really? Yeah. The only shit, the only, the only, the only movie I actually care about is Guardians of the Galaxy.

Well, so that's fucking bullshit. By the, we should just say, you gotta put spoiler warning, or real spoiler warning here. Yeah, I did. You know, it's weird though, that they, it's funny, I feel like. The first black woman in those films, they painted her green.

Not a little uncomfortable. They're like, we love having people color. Really want diversity. Your color is beautiful. But we don't see color. You're gonna be like, Kermit color. So you're probably gonna be. No problem.

We love your blackness, but honestly what we're interested in is the more of a green shade. Well, look, do they, Iron Man, I can't stand him. I hope he dies. Oh, I saw the most incredible tweak. Can I talk about it? Somebody was like, I was so stupid. I saw the tweet, they were like, I just realized,

they're like, I can't stop laughing because I just realized that if the incredible Hulk were British, he'd be called the absolute unit. We're just like really fucking funny. It's a really good action. Let me find, hold on, I'm always saying it. I can't, the absolute, the absolute, oh shit. Was the original tweet is by at super math's kid.

It's apparently a woman named Katie. I just realized if the incredible Hulk was English, he'd be called the absolute unit, and now I'm sad. It was the tweet. I would love to be called the absolute unit. I'm gonna tweet it right now. It's sexually charged to name. Anyhow, listen, I'm sorry that Vision died,

but let's be honest, he was just a robot in an alien body, so who cares? He was literally Tony Stark's computer. Well, people's reaction to this has been very like, well, we all know they're coming back. And it's like, yes, but that's the same thing in comic books. That's not why you watch the movie.

So I'm just remembering the plot. Does he get the bang out at least? Because I know he had a little romance going on. Yeah, he does bang out. But they show his ass. They show like morning after. No. Oh really. I want to see visions ask. I want to see visions cock. That's too much to ask. You seem very fallically. This is a very phallic episode. I'm all about cock cheeks and dicks, but cheeks and dicks is what I'm all about. That's why you're into Westworld. That's truly why I'm

into Westworld. Anyhow, I had a thought about Westworld actually, which is gonna be great for the next out West, but I'm not gonna share it now. Related to Lee's size more, actually, interestingly enough. Speaking of Dix and Buts. But anyhow, so, so, so, I'm sad that they killed all these guys, but also who cares because the movies have zero,

there's zero stakes. There are no stakes. It's like superhero inflation, where every time it's a bigger cataclysm to the point where like, where do you go? I just felt Bre Larson's costume looks better on screen than it did in the photos, the behind-the-scenes photos I saw.

It looked like a weird baggy. It looked like they had in the light. I treated it at the time. It looked like you're trying out a new look for the first day of high school in your embarrass, and it's not really working. It looks like, like, it was, you know, whatever, the vacuum seal. Yeah. It's like supposed to be vacuum, so but they didn't do it yet.

Yeah. No, like there's a free, it's like pre vacuum seal or whatever. Anyhow. All right, so the Avengers happen. That's good. It's the, it's the, it's the highest-creshing movie of all time or something for high-scarasing weekend of all time. Opening weekend. And that's surprising. I mean, of course, you know, black Panther, like runaway success, well over a billion dollars, you know, I don't think anybody, I don't think anybody really saw it come in. Oh, I definitely think people saw it coming.

It's just that there, a lot of other people are racist. I just feel like there's a lot of people that come in. It seems like there's a lot of surprise. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I was like, Well, it was like with bridesmaids where it was like,

yeah, this is a great movie and there's a huge market here. How, why did it take so fucking long? Yeah, I was like with bridesmaids where it was like, yeah, this is a great movie and there's a huge market here. How, why did it take so fucking long? Yeah, and then they just made bridesmaids in seven other, like ways that all sucked after it. One thing you can count on with Hollywood is they'll be like, that's so good. Let's keep doing it over and over again.

Yeah. All right, what else? We talked about Tom Broca. Tom Broca. By the way, this episode we're only doing news. There's no gash with me and Ryan Bullshitting. Just talk about Tom Broca. You know, tough stuff from NBC.

I don't know what to say. It's like, they're a bad company. I'm gonna go out there and say that. I mean, they want to hire me. Great, but that's a bad company. You know, look, the Me Too movement, when is Me Too too much? Just kidding. When Donald Trump Jr. tweeted, hashtag Me Too.

Donald Trump, I can't talk about his kids. They're such he re cheated something about how Candace Owens is great and he wrote like someone was like, I think Candace Owens is great. And he retreated and he wrote like hashtag me to so bad. And the little I emoji popped up. It's bad. He's so bad. He's so bad. And he has a Tom Brokot was doing some nasty shit apparently. It's very depressing. Like I'll be honest with you. You know, it's tough. Can we just get, can you just not, can you not,

I can you not do it with you. Please don't. With your coworkers. Tom Broke-Alesson, you were the voice of a generation. You were the guy on TV who was saying the words. And now your entire career is in the shitter. Come on. And all you had to do was just not,

just go home and jerk off. That's all you had to do was just, not just go home and jerk off. That's all you have to do. Just go home and get your penis out. But I have never in my life. I've been urged. Be your old Tom Brogopetus out of your pants. To just grab someone's ass without consent. Like, you never in my life have I ever been like,

I'm gonna put sex on you. I've said it before. I've said it. That's never occurred to me. I've said it before, I'll say it again. When I think about unsexy situations, the ones that are at the top of my list are situations where I am not wanted.

Yeah. There's no greater, boner destroyer. Ever. Then someone like not being into you. I don't even want to touch people when they're flirting with me and I think they're attractive because it makes me uncomfortable.

So I just kind of laugh and walk away. You know what's nice is when somebody's like express his interest in you clearly and you're like, oh, you like me. And I just kind of laugh and walk away. You know what's nice is when somebody's like, express his interest in you clearly, and you're like, oh, you like me. And I like you, that's cool. I feel like there's just something. So weird. Obviously, these people are fucking deranged.

But like, you know, this sort of does dovetail a little bit with this, you know, this in-sell conversation, which is happening now. And the R. Kelly thing. We'll talk about R. Kelly, but you know, and while R. Kelly is a whole other fucking, I mean, but it's the entitlement to other people's bodies that it's literally never crossed my mind.

It's sort of like murder. Like I've never thought like I want to actually kill someone. Like that's never, I'm not holding myself back. It's not like raw. The only person I really fantasize about killing is myself. You know what I guess I, yeah. That has crossed the mind. The old knob is over there.

Am I should I just do it? Should I just be done with it already? Please just be over. No, but that's, you know, listen, that has crossed the old knob. Should I just do it? Should I just be done with the recording? Please just be over. No, but that's, you know, listen, suicide is no joke. And it's not joke. Please call the suicide hotline, which is featured in the Metro song. So when he's called?

Logic. Logic. Oh shit, who's Metro? That's not even a person. No, sorry. So that's an insurance company. Please call if you're contemplating or feeling bad. No, but for real, suicide decide it's not a joke.

And I've actually had to decide, I'll tend to see, that's why I'm joking about it. But please don't, don't, don't, don't. I didn't and you shouldn't. Don't, don't do that. Don't take your own life. That's real bad. And it's not gonna help.

Logic would not be happy and I wouldn't be happy. No, okay, and nor would the listeners. But anyhow, but to that point, it's like, I'm just saying, like, yeah, it is odd. I mean, clearly there's like a sickness and like it does definitely, you see it surfacing like this, this, you know, the concept of in cells. This is a big thing because because one, there have been two now murderous terrorist acts committed in the name of men in cells in case you don't know, are men who call themselves, it's a Reddit subreddit, essentially. Of course, it is.

I mean, basically a subreddit or a forechand, whatever. And it's like men who consider themselves involuntarily celibate. This is like some Jordan Peterson. Because women have like, because they're beta males and all the alpha males have like, have have like scooped up all the ladies. It's like a complementism ruined society because now women don't know that they should have sex with everyone, but also just me because they're horrors.

And these fucking basement dwelling neckbeard motherfuckers are, sorry, I mean, I'm only to lump them all in. I'm sure some of them don't have neckbeards or whatever, but like, but I'm sorry, but like here's the deal, you don't get to have sex with anybody. No, nobody's gonna have sex with you. You're not entitled to sex. You're't get to have sex with anybody. No. Nobody's gonna have sex with you.

You're not entitled to sex. You're not automatically gonna have sex with anybody. That's life, okay? We live in a golden age of masturbation. Can I just say first off, like a golden age of masturbation? Yeah. If you have urges, there are so many ways to deal with your urges. But the no one, no one is, you were not guaranteed sex.

No. No matter how fucking good, looking you are, or whatever. And the idea that you would be mad at the world because you're not having sex. No. No. No matter how fucking good looking you are or whatever, and the idea that you would be mad at the world because you're not having sex is such a fucking crazy. No, no people won't fuck me and it doesn't make me a political activist. I mean the vast majority of people I meet are disgusted by me. Yeah. And that's just like disgusting. That's life. You sick. I'm shocked. Someone wanted to sex with me regularly at all. Right, and you are gross. I'm not just, yeah. You really are like a garbage pile.

Yeah. You're like a garbage bag with a head on top of it. Just sloppin' out. It's not even tied close. But so am I. I mean, it's not a good scene of me. People are made of meat. I mean, literally somebody in the office the other day

was like, I was like, I'd love to be a model. And then they were like, nobody wants what's going on over here. Emotion to my face. You know, it like, I get it be a model. And then they were like, nobody wants what's going on over here. And motion to my face, you know? And like, I get it. Yes, I get it. Yeah, I'm getting run a fucking van into people It's like you are fucking deranged you need mental help you need to go

You need to get off the fucking internet and go get help and they're narrative that they've created We have a great piece today written by Alex Nichols, which is a kind of response so the way reason we're talking about this is because Ross Doubt that or how are you pronouncing fucking name, do that, do that, do that, do, tattoo, do, do, do, do, thought. Real asshole. That's how I say it. Ross, don't do that, which is Laura's joke. I'm stealing.

He wrote some piece about how like in cells, they're, they must, we must, you know, we must to consider the sad state that they're in and maybe sex workers can help them. And soon someday we'll have sex robots and then the in cells will feel better. It's like like what they want is not sex. No, what they want is they want to, they want a fantasy that they get mad about not getting. Yeah. And that's fucking deranged. They want a magical pixie dream girl who only has sex with them and she's so much more attractive than them and she's devoted to them and will also do whatever deranged sex stuff they've come up with

in their basements. The meaning people's hard. The internet hasn't made it any easier. It's created a lot of fucking weird ideas about how we interact with one another. The reality is like I was a totally, I was definitely, as a teen and a young man, it was definitely like extremely uncool and nerdy.

I had fucking terrible acting when I was a kid. I was so awkward, I was tall and skinny and hunched over and just the most awkward fucking loser in the world. And you know, guess what? I went to some raves, met some girls who didn't give a fuck. We hung out, I had like friends and girlfriends and like, you know, life happened. It's like, and even if that didn't happen,

that's fine. You know, nobody owes you that. What, I didn't go crazy, because I couldn't get a date, let's put it that way. But the point is, we do all have hands. And if you don't, you can get effects that might be better than the three of us. But the point is, it's not somebody else's fucking problem

that you can't get a date. And it is not the world working against you. It is just the way things are and have a lot of work. Society isn't broken. And yeah, it's like, but to the end. Well, it is, but not because of that. Just man who hate women, and they want to craft this narrative, this like, what was mean narrative?

And it's fucked up and sick. And like, nobody does this, but straight men, I'm sorry to say, and there was an article published recently that straight men are the worst people in the world. That's the exact straight men are very bad. Straight men are very bad. And I speak as a mostly, gay men are bad too, but not that bad. Mostly straight men are very bad. Straight men are very bad. And I speak as a mostly bad too, but not that bad.

Mostly straight man I'm telling you that they're bad. But when it comes to vision, except for vision, he's got an aster long quit. He set a ball to match. That Paul Betney really does that. Paul Betney is a very attractive man. And also that's married to Jennifer Connelly, who's a beautiful woman.

Undoubtedly they have beautiful kids, but I don't know. I don't know. They probably have fantasy sex. We don't. How about they fuck like superstars? Yeah. Like the superstars that they are. Yes. And anyway, I don't want to objectify either one of those beautiful people. But the point is, so Alex Nichols wrote this thing today, which is usually a read, which is kind of like, let's stop listening to the kind of bullshit narrative

that these guys have created for themselves themselves because it's not actually reality. Like, these are just bad actors. And we need to like, you know, we need to like get real. We need to not be like, oh, well, who these poor guys? We need to actually be like, let's protect women from, let's protect women in society from these people and get, and try to get them to help they so desperately need.

But beyond that, like, let's stop listening to and responding to their insane fucking narrative that is basically bullshit. This is a not beat episode. Yeah, well, the next is not, it's not an episode. Let's take it up, let's end this thing on a high note. We've got Airbnb, which is partnering with landlords to convert apartment buildings into essentially hotels.

You know what you think about it? Your bedroom is just a hotel room. You don't own anything. Your life could be easily displaced if a tenant comes in for a night or two, if something needs a hotel room. Why not just convert your space into my house? Well, the cities were built for Chinese billionaires

to park their cash and for millionaires to come visit for two days. That's why we built the days. Not for anyone to live for kids. I actually think Airbnb is a very cool idea. Ugh. I do. Hotels are a great idea.

You don't know, I reinvent hotels. Let me finish. Okay. Ryan, Jesus. But I think Airbnb is cool if you go right a house in like Palm Springs. Yeah, house rentals. I think in New York if you go read a house in like, in like Palm Springs. Yeah, house rentals are great. I think in New York, we have sick fucking hotels

that are great. And by the way, hotels are the best. They're great. Hotels are the best. Hotels are, they are. They are good. They clean the sheets. They bring you fucking breakfast.

They've got little bars of alcohol. They got bottles of alcohol. They have, they get, they get one of those little like Tabasco sauces that just like real tiny. Yeah. So good. Yeah.

No, the little Tabasco sauce. No, I know about saying they could bring you whatever. Maybe, I don't know. So not, they'll own bring you everything, but they'll bring you a lot of things. The point is hotels are great. Most cities have lots of them. We don't want to turn apart buildings in hotels for lots of different reasons. There are all sorts of factors there.

But I think like, I just think that what I like about Airbnb is that it does like give you an opportunity to say like, hey, you know what? I've got a house or an apartment. I'm like, not going to be there or whatever. I'd like to rent it. That's a very cool idea. It gives you an opportunity as a traveler to be in a place like I went and stayed in the house in Echo Park a couple of years ago. And I spent like, I was there for a week doing meetings and stuff in LA. And it was the first time that I had been in L.A. where I was at in a hotel, and having been there a lot in a hotel

was like a really nice experience to be like, oh, this is what it would be like to live here, and not have to like, not be like, I'm waking up every morning to like, you know, housekeeping, knocking on the door or whatever. And that was cool, and I think it's cool, but like the reality is that you is that it has to be organic, and Airbnb has done all these really

inorganic things to create a market. And I think that they have like a real destructive quality. They drive, rents up, in certain areas, they displace people. They are, it can be dangerous. You've got like essentially transient people sort of coming in and out of apartment buildings where families live. You know, there's all these factors. And I think

that the thing with something like this is that it's a goober. It's a goober is a good idea. It's a cool idea. It's execution is bullying and bad and like unfair to a lot of people. And there's a reason that taxes are regulated. And we do need to change on taxes work for some parts, but like, their handicap is accessible. That's really important. Yeah, but I mean, admittedly, like, tax is really weak. Most of the time, I feel like an Air Mimbi is weak a little bit less, or not Air Mimbi is weak a little bit less. Yeah, but there's an unlicensed, well, as a person who gets carsick in the back of a car, the compounding situation of like, bad smells bad and also I'm like getting, I'm like, getting jostled around. Nobody

saying taxis are perfect. They're saying, I don't think the solution is Uber. We're nobody's an employee. Well, it's not the total solution. It's not the total. It's not the absolute unit. The app is a good idea. But there are good ideas. Any, I don't want to spend too much of my beer. I just want to say I like air being BB, but I think air being BB can be better. Yeah, so a lot of BBs there. Contain Apple once a week, Conte, why not?

Why wouldn't they? Apple supposedly started subscription service. They bought from magazine. What's that one that's always advertised on podcasts? They bought that one. I have no idea. I guess we're not giving them an ad unless they pass, but there's a subscription service for magazines that you can buy. Oh, it's called next or something. They'll pass if they

want to. They're called like Zoom, Zoomer. Yeah, they got the zoomies. Zoomies. I know you tell you but I can't think of the name of it. It's called like, Scrap. Scrap. Scrap. Scruff? Scruff? Scruff is a daily habit. Yeah, that's funny. Anyhow, so I, so we need to talk about the Facebook dating thing. Oh, God. Sorry, much more interesting. Facebook dating. I don't know, you know, I don't know what I have to say about this except like, it's funny

I was listening to Howard Stern talk about it. And he was like, that's what Facebook is for. He's like, this is for like the dummies on Facebook who don't know what Facebook was, was actually started for. Yeah. He's like, this is for like the dummies on Facebook who don't know what Facebook was was actually started for. He's like, it's for dating. Now I was like, this is so such great and perfect insight. It is actually true about Facebook. It really is like a dating app at its core. Yeah. It's funny how they're like, even just to date your friends, just make events. I mean, it was Tinder, right? It was like proto-tinder, you know? The face mash or whatever was based on it. I'm not dating anybody who uses Facebook all the time.

Yeah, like that's a really bad. If you were Facebook enough that you would use it to date, then you're already automatically out of the pool. You might be an inside. Like I get like be exactly. I get that I get that you would like use your Facebook login for Tinder or whatever because you have to. Yeah, but like I would definitely be wary.

If you're like, yeah, why aren't you just using another dating app that's like for real dating and not like Facebook. Yeah, like that just seems not okay. It's a little suspicious. Like you're like, oh, so excited once I get to use Facebook for dating. It's like a writer that sends you a word perfect five.

It's also interesting because Zuckerberg is like, it's not gonna match you to your friends. It's like, but what if your friends is somebody that like might actually be a great partner for you? Yeah, you know, people have dated that were friends? Yeah, like what if your friends with somebody and like it turns out like you guys have such a connection, but you've never realized it might be good.

It's definitely just in terms of like movie about that. Yeah, no, I don't think so. Yeah. All right, what else? So the news. You wanna do one more story? Well, the last thing I wanted to end on is a good note, slash bad note,

is there's a peep sub about helping bail black moms out of jail for Mother's Day as like sort of activism you can do. Yeah. As like a, as I sort of activism, you can do. Yeah. What explain how this functions? Gabby wrote this piece for us. Do you want to tell the, tell the listener about it? Uh, in New York, a local advocacy group called voices of community activists

and leaders. So like vocal, um, is spearheading a fundraiser for mother's day, um, where they want to bail out incarcerated black women from Raker's Island. Their goal is to hit like $30,000 and get, they're calling it National Mom as bail out day. The goal is to get mothers out for being arrested for crimes of poverty. So like something like, in the piece, it's something like 80 to 90% of incarcerated women are also caretakers like their moms.

And when they're in jail, it doesn't just affect them and affects their kids and it can be a situation where kids who are poor, whose mothers were arrested for crimes about being poor, are now have nobody caring for them, no care, like there's, and that can really fuck up someone's life. It's such, I mean, this has been well covered, but it's such a cyclical and damaging system

that we have. And this is talking about a lot like, I mean, it's just $5, but it's such a cyclical and damaging system that we have. And this is talking about a lot like, I mean, it's just $5,000. That can break that cycle. It's just $5,000, they don't have access to that you might. Yeah, and this is someone, this was something that would become a very, you know, was became much more talked about

after, you know, Ferguson. And this was a thing within Ferguson, where there were a lot of people there who are getting thrown into jail over bullshit, like late parking tickets or fucking J-walking fines or whatever, because these things... Like an ounce of weed. Basically the things compound, particularly with caretakers, mothers who don't have jobs, it's such a crazy thing that our system is built. So in such a fragile and terrible way that that we even have to, there should be outlets for this. Because think about the system for,

here you've got a caretaker, throw it threatened jail over bullshit charges, able to get out, but it's a monetary issue, right? There's just like a, basically you're just paying ransom, essentially. Well, it's like at a bank. It costs more to, you have a checking account of your poor than if you're rich. And if you don't have the money, then you can't get a bank account,

you can't pay check in, it's just a cycle. Right. And then you've got kids who are left hanging, that have this whole other cycle start for them, due to the fact that they don't have a caretaker, or their primary caretaker around. It's very sad and annoying and depressing, state of affairs.

And you know, with a person like Trump running this country, it's only going to get worse. And so I feel like these kinds of grassroots organizations are gonna be massively important over the next few years. I mean, we already have seen a lot of this, and there's obviously an adjacency. This actually is a black lives matter affiliated movement,

but I think we're gonna see a lot of this. I mean, certainly in the era of Trump and in the era of white supremacy ruling our country. And if you listen to this every week and you get mad and you get worked up about stuff that you're you listen to this every week and you get mad and you get like worked up about stuff that you're like, that's fucked up. And you agree, but when you have the resources to help, it's that extra step that really like,

I've worked it in on profit, a tiny amount of money if you can donate it can like literally change someone's the course of their entire life. Yeah, so check it out. What is their website? We're gonna put the link in the post when this goes up and you guys can go check it out. It's their website? We're going to put the link in the post when this goes up and you guys can go check it out.

It's called, but it's called, the hashtag is free black mamas and it's called mamas bailout NYC. Yeah. And if you want to learn more, you can go to vocal-ny.org and that will take you to where you can donate and you can learn about the issue in a way that isn't just the two of us chatting about. That's right. It's on the phone. With official inspiration. Correct, it's on the front page.

Yeah. All right, well that's like somewhat helpful, but also sort of depressing note because it's ultimately trying to correct some, you know, that's 2018. Fun amount, I know, really. Well listen, next week we're all we're gonna talk about is the new iPhone just kidding.

I'm so glad, I know everybody, I know there are a lot of people who listen to me and are like, I wish you would talk about technology more but like, I feel like I'm reading glad. I know, I know everybody, I know there are a lot of people who listen to me and are like, I wish you would talk about technology more, but like, I feel like I'm reading like Apple beats earnings and it's like Fucking cares. Yeah, about Apple. There was a time when technology was exciting because it was changing the world We were figuring that out. I still think it's interesting, but it's not 2007, but yeah, now that now the technology conversations really are like is Facebook is Facebook like Drain Is it it's like perverting our minds? Is it breaking our brains and what are we gonna do about it? But now the technology conversations really are like, is Facebook like, is it like, perverting our minds, is it breaking our brains

and what are we gonna do about it? Like those are the technology conversations. Yeah. So anyhow, all right, we should wrap up, Ryan any parting words for the people out there? Just because someone wants to fuck you, it's not a political position, have a great day. Mm.

But if you're fucking and you're doing political positions, I think that can be a lot of fun. And so really think about when you get into that situation. Yeah. That's great stuff. Well, look, we should wrap. It's very hot in here. I'm getting very, very sweaty. Yeah.

It's just like, it's just like real sex. Real body heat. Real body heat in this room. Like, you're in this week. We'll be back next week with more Tomorrow and as always, I wish you and your family the very best, but unfortunately, Thanos got your family. Let's hope the Avengers' next film can save them.