Tomorrow - 116: Stepping into the Light with Ann-Derrick Gaillot

Episode Date: May 11, 2018

On this week's Tomorrow, Ryan is in a deep depression caused by Gina Haspel, Iran, and Google's latest round of terrifying robots with names like "Oopsy Doopsy!" Don't worry, Josh cheers him up by reminding him to live, laugh, love and dance like nobody's watching. Then we sit down to discuss the week in pop culture with The Outline's own Ann-Derrick Gaillot. We almost get through the entire episode without finding out how Elon Musk and Grimes met – but alas, no such luck. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to Tomorrow on your host Josh with Tupulski. Today on the podcast we discuss Raya, Dipsy Doodle and Rococo. Alright, I don't want to waste one minute. Let's just get right into it. Alright, we're back. It's another week. It's another week of news, another week of feeling things, another week of being together, and being a part, you know, in this divided America,

you know, and then you've got Google people, you've got Apple people, there's Facebook, versus Snapchat. Everyone is fighting. Can we just come together on the real social network, the social network of humanity? Ryan is here with me, of course, Ryan, who will hand. Hi, I'm having trouble disentangling my feelings about getting older with my feelings with the Trump administration. Do you have a birthday? Yeah, it's my 29th birthday is coming up.

What? In July. That's a really long time from now. I'm a narcissist. Is your shirt splattered with blood? That's cool. Is that real blood? I came to slide today, bitch.

Oh wow, okay. You have a whole line and everything for your shirt. That's great. Actually, the first time I wore this shirt was to a drag race party and that was my line and it was better for that. But I'm unable to, like weeks keep coming and I'm just getting so tired.

Time, time, time living. Time to tap and ain't really. I'm so tired of being alive and having to engage with everybody. And I don't know if that's Trump or just getting older. It's definitely Trump, but it's also getting older. But like those things in some way go hand in hand.

I mean, the, the, like I talked to my therapist about feeling like I was having a break from reality. And she was like, no, I think you're just realizing that like reality is pretty broken. And I was like, no, I think you're just realizing that like reality is pretty broken. And I was like, oh my gosh. That's so much work. She's like, pulled to fucking therapist shit out of you.

Like, wait a second, what did you, what, tell me about how you felt like you were having a break from reality? I was just like, how is this the world? Like, how is it just gonna keep getting worse? And like, what is my life? What do I, well yeah, I'm like working on this project, this video project that I'm very excited about,

but it just takes so long and everybody stands in your way. Yeah. That's right. You guys have been very helpful. You've been actually very helpful. Wynddon's been helpful. John, my fiance's been helpful. But like everyone else in the world

stands in your way and doesn't want you to make anything or do anything. And then that combined with the news is it's like, you know, I try to do nonprofit work and like, it's raise money, like fundraising for causes that I believe in. And it's so hard getting money out of people to even help someone else who's like in trouble that when it comes to like your own stuff,

it's just like, I'm just like, what is the world? Is it just gonna keep getting worse? And like, you have to fight tooth and nail for every little victory and like, that's life, fuck that. I mean, I mean, I will say, I'm darked out. I'll say that. But like, that's life fuck that. I mean, I mean, I will say I'm darked out. No, but like that is life. Yeah, you know, like everybody is against you. You have to fight for everything that's good.

And in the end, only kindness matters. Why? To quote, to quote jewel. I thought my life was going to be closer to like, um, uh, friends than it is to, um, um, enemies. But then it is to always sunny and Philadelphia. I don't watch that show. So I don't.

I don't. That show I think is, is, see, no. In one episode they got on crack so they could get public assistance because there was no other way. I out of the kitchen. I don't want to say that show because I'm not into this, this like the modern negativity, like it's like every show that's a comedy where everybody's like fucking awful to each other. Like why would you be friends with this person?

Yeah. Like I have friends who joke around once in a while, but most of the time we like are normal to each other. Yeah. And it's not like every opportunity that I talked to them, it's like a chance to cut them down. It's like the fucking big bang guys are all like fucking with each other.

I was like, why are you friends? Like stop hanging out. You all hate Shelton? Don't fucking hang out with Shelton. I actually find this to be a real problem in the gay community is very mean to each other. And to me, it's just like, I get very, the world is so bad.

Can we just be nice? Can we just be like, how's your day? Oh, why don't we, why don't we, I get very, the world is so bad. Can we just be nice? Can we just be like, how's your day? Oh, God. Why don't we, why don't we, why don't we, why don't we just be nice? Okay, look, it is a dark time. It's dark because of, because of many things. Trump withdrew from the, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,'t, I'm just like whatever. My thing is, is, is, is we're just going to have to, we're going to have to endure.

I hope someone's keeping a list of everything he undoes and someone is. Someone is. Then when president Cynthia Nixon takes over, she can fix it. Let me tell you something. First off, a woman will never be president. That's the first thing. No, let me tell you something. Yes, people are keeping lists. What Trump has fucked with in the last year

can be fucked with again by another president. I'm not saying it's all just gonna be perfect. But a president clearly has a lot more power than we thought. I mean, I thought this was Bush. I was like, well, I'll never go bad. I'll never get worse. Like, but look, a lot of things Bush did were bad. And Obama fixed a lot of those things. And did a lot of things Bush did were bad, and Obama fixed a lot of those things.

And did a lot of other things that were good. Now he's not, we know he's not a perfect president. No president would be, or he is, or he is. It's not even possible. But like, if this makes you feel a little bit better, and I'm not saying this because I feel the same way some days, I'm like, I can't believe this is the world. Like, I can't believe this is happening.

But then I also try to, now I try to put a little perspective on it, which is like this too shall pass. Okay. Trump will either leave office or die. One of those things is definitely true. Yeah. I'm not saying he should die soon. I read someone's tweet that was like,

I wouldn't be unhappy if he did. North Korea could assassinate him. And I was like, that would actually be. No, that'd be bad. That would be bad. I don't want Trump to die. I want him to go away. I just want things to move a little bit more at peace.

Preferably to a jail cell, which probably won't happen because he's a very rich white man. And even if he's very guilty of many things, he probably won't go to jail. Nixon must find. But, but like there will be an end to this. And I can only hope and imagine that the result, the positive result of this nightmare world we're living in is that it's woken a lot of people up.

It's brought a lot of people who weren't interested in politics, two politics. And hopefully if it's not too fatiguing, we will see a shift in the way people think about who is in charge of their government. And hopefully they'll be more thoughtful and more careful next time, even a Republican. I believe, I really believe that many, many Republicans have to be looking at this and thinking, this is not really what we want. I have to believe that. Maybe it's not true, but I want to give them the benefit of the doubt here. I'm not saying we should be nice or anything, but I do think that this will end. What he did with drawing from this nuclear deal is horrible, unbelievable.

But you've got to believe that there's going to be somebody who can come in and fix it. Yeah. And not immediately, but eventually. I mean, I will say the one thing I'm having given into is fix it. And not immediately, but eventually. You know, I don't know. I mean, I will say the one thing I'm having given into is like I'm not canceling doing work, I'm not canceling like fundraising or like engaging with issues, I'm not reading the news. Like I'm staying, I'm just feeling really feeling it

in a way that I was like a little bit feeling it, like slam me in the face to it. This week route, just like hit a wall, where I was like, what is, what is what? Yeah, I mean, it's look, it's really hard. But like, I think that, you know, a lot of things have changed and many things haven't changed, you know, and what I think has been most exposed

is the fragility of American democracy and the fragility of like the laws that we make here and how easy it is for someone with an agenda to come in and kind of wreck a lot of the work. I guess what really gets me is that like, like so in another story this week, it came out that Michael Cohen is taking money from Russian oligarchs, like Vexelberg

and other American corporations, like AT&T, bribing him enormous sums of money to get stuff done. And I guess what upsets me is that, like, yes, Trump sucks and lots of people he picks sucks, but the fact that, like, so much of our system will easily buy into that. Yeah, well, that AT&T is truly a death star. Like, that wasn't...

Well, they're, I mean, they're just doing with corporations, do you? Right? They're just like, oh, how do I get to the president so he can pass laws that I like? Clearly, didn't work for them because he completely fucked up their merger. Yeah, that was a point. But they, I mean, they got nut and neutrality. And that to me, it's like, yeah, I mean, but again, that can be undone. Yeah. It was bad before and then it got better and then it was now it's bad again, and it can be made better. I mean, I think that, you know, look, but people

are going to die because of Trump. People are People are dying because of the laws he's passing. You know, people are, you know, he's created, he's emboldened some of the worst people in this country. That to me is the enduring and most troubling part of his, whatever his legacy will be, is that he has emboldened a lot of people in this country to show who they really are and to act like that is acceptable. And, you know. I mean, maybe at least we now know who we're talking about. I'm that is acceptable. And, you know.

I mean, maybe at least we now know who we're talking about. I mean, maybe it's good to know. Maybe it's good to know, but like, I don't see, and it is, I guess in a way like exposing those people is good, but like, you know, giving them a belief that their ideas are supported by the highest office in the country is not a positive. I mean, the fact that like, okay,

so the Gina Haspel thing is also this week. And it's like the fact that we're talking about torture again in the realm of like, like this is something we're all gonna re-engage with. Like we can stop doing that again, but it's just the idea that there's still people floating around who are like, you know, torture was good, like enhanced interrogation quote unquote.

That was great. Like we, what? It didn't get any results. It's a human rights abuse. Like, I don't know. It's got its uses. Torture here and there. Never heard anybody.

A little torture never heard anybody. You know the old saying. No, I mean, look, everybody's a piece of shit. I mean, there's so many pieces of shit. It's just hard to keep track of all of them. I mean, but the, again, I mean, all of this can be undone very rapidly. I mean, Trump, what Trump has demonstrated is like,

wow, the president can sign a lot of executive orders and change a lot of shit really rapidly, like soak in the next president. So let's make the next president way better. Yeah. Let's make the next president somebody really smart and good and capable and not a racist, not like a bloated racist.

I feel like my litmus test. My litmus test for this is gonna be the candidate that says like we really need to strengthen the EPA Like that's like the like something that isn't a sexy topic Yeah, but is an institutional topic that has huge effects you have to remember like like Obama wasn't do it wasn't stumped speaking about like how you know We need to clean up the environment. I mean that was a very small part of his platform But like Obama is smarter about the environment

than Trump is and believes climate change is real and so therefore put people into positions of power that could properly and appropriately address what is going on. But I guess the similar topic for me is like with the New York governor's race is talking about like not just legalized marijuana because it's recreationally fun

and like it will get young people to vote for you but talking about it as like an institutional, like this is what, this is a racist policy that is destroying black families. Like that's not. Oh, I mean, somebody who actually knows things. Yeah, I mean, that, yeah, exactly. But that was like sort of my litmus test with that

because it was like, okay, Cindy Nixon's not going to win over the Cuomo crowd by saying that. She's saying that because she first off believes in it. And second, she's okay galvanizing her, her base over that. And I feel like someone in the Democratic Party could come in and say like, you know, the EPA or torture for is another example. Or I don't just things that or even like the consumer protections bureau of for that Elizabeth Lawrence started, like talking about that is not going to win over Republicans, but it will be a litmus test for me

for somebody that's like, we need to systematically like rebuilds all the stuff. Look, look, and here's the thing, at the end of the day, if every person who could vote and would vote for a Democrat would come out and vote. Yeah. We wouldn't have to have this conversation. We wouldn't have to be like, boy, I hope we can,

you know, it's like, look, here's the deal. I mean, you have to believe that there are better and worse versions of politicians. But no politician, this is the thing that drives me fucking crazy about like the Chapo guys, where they're like, you know, like about Bernie. It's like, they hate Kamala Harris. Yeah, but it's fine,'re like, you know, like about Bernie. It's like, like they hate Kamala Harris. Yeah, but it's fine.

It's fine, but like, okay, so, the way here's the problem with the idealism of the hero candidate, your idealistic hero candidate. One is they never, ever, ever will fucking live up to what you think they're gonna be. Bernie loves guns. They never will be the thing that you think they are. They are always going to disappoint you in some way.

That's the first thing. The second thing is, like, you do not get the thing you want. You do not get the perfect thing you want. Almost ever in life, nor should you expect it. Yeah. What you often get is like something pretty good, something that's like most of what you want. Even if you did get what you said you wanted, it's not what you want in reality. The reality, like politics, and I've said this a million times, like politics is fucking insane. To become a and I've said this a million times, the politics is fucking insane.

To become a politician, to want to be a politician, you can have all of the most altruistic, like pure, wonderful feelings in the world, but you're gonna get down in the shit with the rest of the pigs, okay? You're getting into the pig pen, and you're gonna get fucking dirty. Yeah.

And that doesn't mean that you have to be a bad person, but it means you have to play politics because that's what the fucking thing is. And so there is no ideal or perfect candidate, and if they start out that way, they will end up a different way. But the question is how many by what degree, what is the degree of shit that they get covered?

And is it 100% shit covered, 50% shit covered? The reality is all business is dirty. Politics is business. Like, you know, like, I, there is no way to be, to be a politician in this country. And as far as I know in any other country, and not have to compromise in some ways. I mean, if you're the president, you direct the military and the military kills people. Like, whether or not you think that's going to be, like, people are dying. I did. Bernie Sanders there. Bernie Sanders will never go to war, right? Wrong. Bernie Sanders will fucking go to war. Bernie Sanders will send. But the idea is that he would, yeah.

He'll tell you, but the truth is that he'll get into the fucking office. And there will be a moment where somebody will say to him, we must do this, like leaders of the military. It's the trolley problem. The Secretary of State. Yeah. And like, there will be a moment where he'll go fuck, I don't want to do it, but I recognize the need to do it.

And it's tough and I don't want to make the call, but I'm going to make the call because that's the shit that happens when you're the fucking president. Yeah. If you think we can be, look, by the way, I'm all for an America that never, ever goes into a foreign war ever again. That sounds great. Yeah. I'm very against war of all types, especially preemptive war, You know, and so I would like a president who feels

that exact same way. I would like a president who doesn't have like want to fucking drone bomb people, you know, but the job of the president is extremely complex and the job of the, the job of running a country like America is extremely complex. And it's like, we are entangled in many of the ways we are entangled and it's not going to change overnight. So anyhow, this whole idea of like the perfect candidate

that has all of this is all the right things it does all the right things it's like listen, there's a greater and lesser evil. Yeah, like you don't like Hillary? Fine, I get it. She's a lesser evil than Donald Trump. She is. We should even frame it that way. We should just say like, yeah, I know, I want to frame it that way. But I'm just saying like, yeah, I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I'm saying like, you fucking hate Hillary. Yeah. Hate Hillary, but recognize that Hillary is less destructive.

By far. To the world than Trump is. And there's, you know, you will never convince me otherwise. You will not, because do you know why? Because Hillary knows shit. Yeah. Trump doesn't know shit. Because Hillary reads the reports.

People who don't know shit are fucking dangerous. People in power who don't know shit are really fucking dangerous. And like that's a problem that we have right now in this country. Anyhow, let's stop talking about politics. Yeah, all of this I will say is all of this talk about morals and stuff makes me want to plug. Watch the good place. I hate that show. You hate that show. I think it's bullshit. I love that show.

You know, it turns out that it's actually a bad show and that everybody likes it and they're wrong. No, it's so good. Yeah're a hundred percent wrong. Let me let me walk this back. I don't like post Malone. I don't like post Malone. I don't want your opinions on the good. Okay, first off, I do not like post Malone. I've said this before and I'll say it again, post Malone's a piece of trash. He just beat the Beatles record. Some of his songs are really fucking catchy. That's all I can say. Okay, they are. They are. It's empirical fact.

I'm sorry. Just listen to them. They're catchy. Okay. You know, listen, you never enjoy the song and hated the artist. Sure. Sure I have. Come on.

But I've heard Post Malone's stuff and I'm not like, wow, this is. They're catchy. Some of his songs are very catchy. I can't explain it. This is the ignition remix. That's the same. Some of his songs are catcher than the ignition remix, okay? How could you say that?

I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on.

I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. I don't think we want to go on. like, well, it's really going on.

Do you think that Westworld is a better show than the good place? I think the Westworld is actually not a really good show. No, it's terrible stuff. I think it's like, it's like bad in the right ways. Okay. It's like bad. It's like, it's so, it's like, I said on Twitter the other night, to me, it feels like a contentless scene.

Like, there's always like, hey, how are you? I'm feeling the way. I mean, I just watched the new, I just finished the new episode because I missed it because I was traveling which is why I didn't do the new podcast the last episode of Westworld, out West, sorry. And, you know, it's like,

it's like, there's a conversation that like Dolores has with her dad, with her fake dad. And it's like, what do I, she's like crying. What do you mean? She's like, she's crying. I'm like, I don't care. Like, this is it. There's no way this, whatever she's crying about, it's based in any kind of reality.

Like, she's definitely like been programmed to whatever is happening is another level of programming. So like, none of this matters, so why are you subjected me to the emotional? It's like a thought experiment where there is a television show. Exactly, just like lost. Yeah, but I love the good place.

You know, the good place is character driven. I watched the first season, and then a couple of episodes of the second season. How'd you know? And I did like good place. You know, the good place is character driven. I watched the first season and then a couple of episodes of the second season. How'd you know? And I did like the twist. Spoiler alert, because it turns out they're in the bad place. Just kidding.

They're in heaven. By the way, it's annoying. It's the bad place. I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, they're not specific about like the rules. Well, the religion thing is very vague. Yeah, I hate that. Oh, I don't mind that.

I want it to be specific. You want to know, are you in Christian hell or not? If you're in Christian hell, I want to know. I mean, this is clearly not Jewish because there's a hell. Right, exactly. So you're saying the good place is anti-Semitic. It's against Jews, and that's why I don't like it. You know, is there even a Jew in the cast at all?

Is there a single Jew in the good place? Ted Dan said, not a Jew. Kristen Belt, not a Jew. Who are the other people? I don't know any of the other actors. The good place is an anti-sale. What is Mike Sir Jewish? Mike sure is a devout Catholic.

Are you sure about that? I don't know. I have no idea. I've just made that up. He's probably Jewish. What is he? He's Ashkenazi Jew. Well, he says that, but I think he down he's a neo notty

well i'll say darsie carton is giving the performance that westworld should be i don't know that means she's a janet and she's the superior she's very good she's very very good she's superior robot anyone on westworld now listen the shows great and everybody should check out the good place on uh... area just monday's i don't know who's in the three i I don't see. I don't work for the good place. Seems like maybe you do. Anyhow, uh, speaking of celebrities, let's talk about the Megala.

Do we have to talk about it? We can. Megala, Gala, Gala, Gala. Ball. Sorry, could we? Okay, I don't want to get into it. I don't want to like, I don't want to like talk about people.

What do you mean? I mean, did you see, did you see a little of him on? No. Her outfit was inspired by her love of the Crusades. What? Like, you know what I love the Crusades? She loves the Crusades.

I mean, I love my God, look at this outfit. Oh yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, outfit is a thing. This, is she just put chain mail on her head? It's just a prom dress inspired by her love of the Crusades. What does she love about the Crusades so much? You know, what's not to love? Olivia Munn, someone who I couldn't, I didn't see this coming for Olivia Munn, all of this.

Yeah, I didn't know that was gonna be an action movie star. I don't think any of us did. It was just very, any other stuff. When I read Suck It Wonder Woman, I didn't say there's the next star of X-Men. Jared Leto had a great outfit on. The theme was heavenly bodies.

It was the imagination of Catholicism. Something like that, yeah. And actually, something outfits are pretty cool. And the Rihanna looked fantastic. We actually did a piece about how... K-Boss worth looked good. We did a piece about how Catholicism has always been like this, like, kind of weirdly high fashion religion.

And it's true. It is like, Oh, I mean, they're all in little slippers. Mm. Even the altar boards are like ringing little bells and singing a song. No, it's crazy. The pope is like so high fashion.

Yeah. The pope is like extremely mature. Like, Like the Vatican is way, way, way shaker than Trump tower. It's like, yeah, it's not, it makes some weird sense. Yeah, like that it is the way it is. I mean, a lot of gay men with a lot of free time. Yeah, it is, right?

There's like a weird, I'm not gonna comment on it. There's a lot of gay men, and then there's a lot of sex criminals. No, I'm not. And those are exclusive, they're not the same question. Oh, not like a casual, you have a spacey situation. But I will say, I guess it's an over designed religion. Actually, we should talk about Eric Schneiderman a little bit,

because you mentioned sex criminals. Sex criminals and I thought of gay men and I thought of Kevin Spacey, but what I thought of is because he's been on my mind because Eric Schneiderman, the New York City Attorney General, who has just been, you know, just quit his job or whatever and are been removed because he's like, oh,

just turning through a white spot. And he is just, I mean, I don't know what the word is for like a guy who, he's a piece of shit, who like, he's like beating women like, and then he's like, no, no, I'm into BDSM and it's like, it's like, and I tweeted, it's like, it's like, the fucking,

the most obnoxious thing in the world, it's like, you're a piece of shit and you're like, no, no, it's, I'm part of this community. It's like, and I tweeted, it's like, it's like the fucking, the most obnoxious thing in the world is like, you're a piece of shit and you're like, no, no, it's, I'm part of this community. It's like, no, the community doesn't do that. That's not what that community does. That's like when, like the Kevin Space is doing that. That's what I'm talking about.

I'm a game man. You're not a game man, you're a child. No, they're like, Kevin Space, you've been accused of molesting a child. He's like, well, listen, I'm gay and it's like, uh, no. That's not the response to it. You know, like that covers it.

Like, I think I can come out of the closet now. It's like, first off, now you're like sliding these things into one, you're like, this is, you're like, I'm gay. Is there a connection you guys figured out? It's like, this is the 40s? Or are you just a fucking asshole? But this is the thing, but the Schneiderman is like, you know, I was like, it's like, it's like,

it's like, fuck you. Yeah, fuck you. And like, you know who's great, people who do BDSM, you know who's not great, people who beat women. And it's like, to get your get out of jail card is to throw an entire community of people under the fucking bus, because you think like, that's a good, that's like a good checkmate.

That's my excuse. It's like, fuck you. No, it's a good, that's like a good checkmate. That's my excuse. It's like, fuck you. No, it's so funny. It's so fucking annoying. Anyhow. No, it's the worst. That guy sucks. I mean, another, you know, me too, another man me too.

And does, is there any bottom to me too? And is there an end? Or is it just me too is all the way down? I hope. It's like the universe. I kind of hope that this, part of me hopes that it continues because it's like, universe. I kind of hope that this, part of me hopes that it continues because it's like I would like this feeling

of exposing these men and whatever to exist in perpetuity and not to be like, well, that was one year where we did that. But the other part of me is like, yeah, it would also be great if sexual assault stopped and we didn't have to do this all the time. It means like that's the thing like, you know, it would be. It's like the good news, bad news of like, well, Charlie Rose got fired, good. But wait a minute, it's not good. That's the thing, it would be. It's like the good news, bad news of like, well, Charlie Rose got fired, good.

But wait a minute, it's not good. That's happened. I mean, listen, I think it's good. Look, I do think sending the message of, if you do some whack shit, you're gonna be exposed and tossed is great. But an even better message is, here's how not to do the wack shit from an early age.

Yeah, we should talk to boys. It should be pretty obvious. We should say to boys like, don't rape, don't rape. Don't rape, just don't. And if you want to, talk to someone about that before you do it. You need help.

We should get you some help. If you feel weirdly interested in the idea, look by the way, if you think you own a one-in-one spotty. You know what, that's a bad idea. Rape fantasy with a consenting partner. Totally fine, do whatever you want. Go to town.

I mean, make sure you lay out the rules. Yeah, I'm not saying it's the nicest fantasy. I don't put a value judgment on it at all. But I'm just saying, if you've got a partner who's down, sure, go for it. Actual rape, don't go for it. Like furry stuff, that's great. Beast realities, whatever.

Let's leave you in the doggy. I don't care what you're fucking king. Leave the doggy on. It's just like, it is annoying to me as a man who has many, many kings. It is annoying to me to see Eric Schneiderman be like, you know, I'm part of this community. It's like, it's just like, it's just so fucking annoying.

It's like, I just mean it's out of the Kevin Spacey thing. And just that like, it's so tiring to watch these guys go through their like sequence of apologies and explanations. And it's like, I'm trying to think if anybody did it well, let me just, it was like, you know, I'm a fucking asshole. And I need help by. I'm not saying he did it well. I'm saying the best example was Al Franken kind of took what, what was I don't think that

big of a deal. Yeah. In the scale of me to stuff bad, not as bad, as obviously as a Harvey Weinstein, he took his shit, he resigned, he went home, he hasn't been planning a second act. Harvey Weinstein's already putting together a documentary about himself. Like, he just kind of went home. So I'm not saying Al Franken, none of this is good. But of the men,

top or more closer to the top of my list of people that I'm like, okay. Yeah, I just don't know if that's my place to say that. Maybe we should ask a woman. I mean, yeah, I mean probably, we probably should. But the point is anyhow, I was very annoyed by that and it was agitating. It reminded me of the Kevin Space thing Which also annoying agitated and this is a really bummer of a bummer. We should talk about Google

Let's talk about Google. I'm about to tell you I think it's a power how you think it's a bummer and I said you yesterday I think it's a bummer, but also rad as fuck That's my feeling about you know, I'm that's how we felt at the beginning of Facebook I'm not scared to get weird but listen I got to tell you fun in the meantime to poke people I'm not scared. This is gonna get weird, but I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you.

I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you.

I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you.

I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell it. I don't feel Apple. I don't feel Apple. From a human rights perspective. I mean, I feel Apple, because like, I feel Apple, like, I feel like they're killing Fox kind of. I don't fear them. I just think there's some things they do that are annoying.

Google, it's like, most of the things Google does, and I'm sorry, like, I just feel like most of the things they do are not annoying. I don't know. They've done some dumb shit. Yeah. But a lot of shit they've done is good. Like I just, they killed Google Reader and for me, I mean, I mean, I'm never turning back. I mean, yes, they're doing some new initiatives,

some news initiatives. The whole ad pop clips stuff, they're way they handle YouTubers. No, no, they fucked up ads. Look, don't get me wrong. But like everybody, you all of YouTube culture is bad. They fucked up digital advertising, but everybody bought into it and has kept buying into it. It hasn't offered an alternative.

I see what you're saying though. Like Gmail and Google Drive have been fine. Dude, Google Photos is the shit. Google Photos is the shit. Google Drive rules. Yeah, Google Drive is great. I mean, all Google Docs products are amazing. I mean, Gmail is the only email you can use.

All Google Docs products are fucking amazing. They're incredible products. I'm sorry, the first time I use... If you pay for Microsoft Office, you're out of your fucking life. Well, I actually do pay for it, but that's the whole idea. Okay, but the little screws do subscription.

It's like 10 bucks a month, it's like fun. I had it, I had it. And I was like, this is not, I don't need that. You don't get, you're not a CEO, okay? When you're a CEO, you get a lot. People send you a fucking word doc, all right? I throw my own LLC back. Sorry, okay.

Well, then you better get fucking a Microsoft suite going on your shit, because you're gonna need to open a fucking Excel file, my dude. I need tri- I need track and the shit. I need track and the shit. Numbers, you're gonna feel very bad about yourself. Anyhow, like, I think that they're, they're, look, Google Docs are a revelatory experience in my opinion.

It's what they promised with wave. When I first used a Google Doc with collaborative editing, it fucking blew my mind. It is incredible. If you've ever been in the doc with like four or five people working on something at the same time, it is like fucking magic. It is close to magic through technology as I've seen in many ways, right?

But don't you think it's weird that they don't use that? Like, they did that duo and Aloe and whatever other bullshit. Yeah. Why didn't they put, like, their messaging service within their Google Docs thing to be like, okay, normally, if you wanted to message, you could just do it on a doc. No, I mean, look, there's some things they got wrong.

Like, G-Chat, now hangouts or whatever. Like, hangouts could have been... Great. And it's not. Hangouts could have been great. And it's not. Hangouts could have been. Slack. It should have been. Well, it, I mean, that's a lot.

If they had put hangouts in with Google Doc. Hangouts could have been. Hangouts could have been, it would have been Slack. GChat could have been, I message before I message was I message, but the problem is like, they just really didn't capitalize on what they had. And they love browsers. How did you not, how did they love browser search? Well, now browsers are rad. I mean, actually, sure, but the problem is like they just really didn't capitalize on what they had. And they love how did you not?

How did they love? Like they merged. Well, now browsers are rad. I mean, actually, but Slack is great because it's a separate app. Slack is a browser. Sure, but it doesn't feel like it. Slack is a web app. Trick me.

Slack is a fucking web app. Build on fucking web technology. Totally fine. Trick me. Okay, guess what? Slack is the web. Okay, I just don't even know who just use it to browser window, okay?

Like the booty scene, they have a fucking app, whatever. It spotifies a web app, but it feels like that. There are everything's a web app. That's why Google is so interested in the browser because everything, but I need a different wrapper. It can't all just know tabs. It's not all fucking, it's not all tabs. You have a Chromebook? No, I used to have a Chrome fucking six. It's not all tabs. You have a Chromebook?

No, I used to have a Chromebook. No, but it's not all tabs. I mean, like on an Android device or even an iOS device, so much of that shit is built on like, it's built on WebTac. It's Web, it's a it's a wrapped web experience or it's pulling certain elements that are just like, like HTML, right? I mean, they've invested in that

and probably pushed it forward more than anybody in history of web technology. I mean, that's a huge deal. Like so much shit that you can do now on the web and in an app even is because of the fact that they've like really worked hard on figuring out how to like, because that's the open space.

Like once you are on the internet, if your browser, if like a browser is capable of doing these things that they can do, and the internet is capable of growing the language of what the internet does, that's the ultimate kind of level or you need a fucking dumb terminal where you can open a web page and then all kinds of crazy shit is possible. That's amazing.

That's an amazing idea. You could have the worst computer in the world. Sure. I mean, you need to be given. This is like PlayStation now, stuff. But that's why Chromebooks are so fucking cheap. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of reasons.

But like, you know, it's like what you really need is a great web browser. But then you have all your eggs in the Google basket and we have that thing where like kids are learning to trust Google because they're giving Chromebooks and they're a little kids. I get, we wrote this and we did this thing about, about, you know, kids sort of be getting sucked

into the ecosystem early, but like, they're going to be in some ecosystem. Like, listen, Google is probably the closest that I've put all kids in dots. But I'll say this, like, but I'll say like, if you look at Android as a platform, it is the closest platform I've seen to,

one that really allows you to be, if I wanted to not use a single Google app within Android, that is totally doable, right? And like the fact that they focused on web development, I think, is a big deal about, is a big deal when it comes to thinking about openness. Now, I'm not saying Google's perfect, or that they are like, they should get at, you know, Scott. But this AI stuff doesn't worry you it.

Oh. Well, I mean, I don't get this. I feel like at the beginning of social media, like we started out being so excited and like this will be cool, I'll post my lunch. And then, and like, oh, I can just tweet it, JetBlue and they'll fix my flight. And now we're like, oh, it ruined democracy.

Like I feel like AI, we're starting out being like, oh, duplex, I'll make my hair appointment. And that'll be kind of funny, unless you're an assistant. And then eventually, it's just gonna be making healthcare decisions, like, oh, but just find me a doctor. And then it's deciding what doctor you see, which is not good. But, but, but, but, you know, I think we have to take some baby steps first here.

I mean, can I make you a hair appointment? I want an AI on a separate internet. I want it on its own separate thing. I, I mean, I don't think that's necessary. I hate it. I mean, I'm scared of it. Well, I think we have a lot of notions about AI that it's like thinking.

Yeah. I mean, like the AI that you saw in the Google demonstration is like, it's doing rudimentary thinking. Now it is. Well, yeah, now it'll get. But they built that cat brain. Wait, what? They built a brain, like they simulated

an entire cat's brain. Who did? Google. Wait, did I miss built a brain, like they simulated an entire cat's brain. Who did? Google. Wait, did I miss this? Yeah. Wow. And I feel like how many cats does it take to make a Ryan? I don't think a lot.

I don't think it would take a lot of cats to complete this podcast. The auto-complete, the email auto-complete is fucking insane. Like, but that, but should me and my fiance just be a shitting robot? Okay, yeah, but Apple does the same thing. Let me know when we're gonna be able to same thing. But Apple does the same thing. And like I think all that shit, it's just like the thing with garage band. Have you ever made music in garage band? Yes.

You can literally be a tone deaf, in the soul. And you can make like a sick fucking pop song in garage band. It's like you don't need to know how to do anything on it. That's what all the drag race girls do. Yeah, it's like that's cool. But like actually knowing how to make music is better. Yeah.

Like, it sucks that you can just like be like, I know I'm a guitar player. But for how long until is it better? Like, what point is an algorithm gonna write a better song than Max Martin? And I don't like it. It makes me feel icky. I know that that's our purpose on Earth

and we'll create these children and it will conquer space and we'll buy out like me. But there's things like, but, oh. There's things like, look, there's things like, it's all about a question of where it's being used. Like, it's, I mean, how it's being used and how much we let it be used. I mean, honestly, so much of this comes down,

I know I talk about this all the time, but it's like, you can have Google write emails for you or not. You can say, like, no, I'm not gonna do that. Like, there are options. It doesn't just automatically do it. It doesn't just automatically do it. It doesn't just automatically do it. Now, it can, it can predict,

but you can be like, yeah, I'm not gonna take this prediction. Like if you wanted to write your emails fine, but why would you want to write your emails? The question is not about what Google has created. It's about how we use what they created. You know, like, if that's in city as like smartphones, like we're not allowed to not. But smartphones are that in that conversation

Um that that Casey and Carolyn and Paris was they had a the conversation They post that one about and and one point they were talking about how having a flip phone is like a show off of privilege because You have to have a smartphone not just because it gets stuff done because other people expect you to right Well, and at a certain point other people are gonna expect me to have AI doing stuff with their AI to make their life easier. Maybe. But listen, I don't want that. Well, just define what you want.

Okay. I'll be the honest. Be the you you want to be in the world. I'll be the honest. Is that a saying? Be you. Be you. Be best.

Be you and be best. No, but look, here's the fucking thing. It's, it really does come down to like You know, are you gonna let it wag you or you gonna wag it? I like this word wag Are you the tail or you the dog because that sounds a lot like Google's new terminology? Shush Pretty please. Yeah, Google Gaga baby boy That's not a feature. Pinky doopy doopy doop.-doodle. Yeah. Tipsy-doodle. Scrupity-pup. Scrupity-pup.

Scrupity-pup. So, what are the new features that I'm excited about? The best feature. Scrupity-pup, it creates a manic episode for you. Oh, the internet. The AI comes up with that. What manicure? It's like, I'm, the AI is like, I'm gonna be the biggest AI ever.

Manic Ryan is doing, and then the emailing Josh about reality shows it for the morning. The AI is like, I'm gonna be the best AI the world has ever seen. I'm the Steve Jobs of AI. And then it's like, it then it puts a bunch of videos of people putting clothes on a rack. You're like, wow, the scoopity poopbugs is really good. Why do they could name all their products?

Like the Dipsy Doodle and like the Tinky Winky. It's called, look, I'm going, let me see what they are. You got to. People. People. Shush mode. They're just like, pretty please.

It pretty please. What is that? What is that? We got babies. I love it. We're all babies. Well, we are all babies. That's true.

I mean, you know, adults have been wildly infantilized over the last 20 or 30 years. Yeah, I mean, Rosanne's back on here. The infantilization of adults is how marketers are getting money. You know, that's how they're getting this. That's how Disney makes money. Yeah, dude, the Avengers is the best movie of all time.

Like, okay, that's sorry. There's been 19 fucking Avengers movies, whatever. You know, this is what you want to do with your life. You want to be all little kids, the guy. Fucking idiot, it's like an eagrecy, but as long as you're happy. But the point is the technology, it can infantilize you or it can be a tool.

I don't like it. And at the end of the day, or it can be, it can be the master of you or you can be the master of it. And at the end of the day, I understand it sounds like AI is this like wild thing that's roaming out there that we can't control. But the truth is, like, these are like pretty finite algorithms

that do pretty finite things. And they will expand over time. That's how Janet started on the good planet. But it's not a fucking, please, spoiler alert, okay? I haven't gotten there. But it's not a fucking, you know, it will be, at some point, maybe it will become a sentient. Why don't it be a chaotic use of God?

Maybe it will become a sentient being, but like we're so fucking far away from that, right? Siri will be elected president. Here's what I know. You can't live in fear. You have to live life the way that you dance. No one's watching, okay? The second time I said that on a podcast this week,

you've got to live, you've got to laugh, you've got to love. Eat, pray love is what I say. That's my saying that I invented. Eat, pray love is what I'm always telling people. You know, get a little food in your belly, get a little religion in your life, and fuck someone. That's my policy, okay? Concentrally.

The food should be as much pizza as possible. The religion should be Scientology. We had some Sri Lankan food today. And the fucking should be a rape fantasy. That's all I'm saying, okay? Consenting, with consenting partner. With a safe word. With a safe word. With a safe word.

All right. On that note. Yeah, moving on. All right, look, so we're gonna, this is, we gotta get into another conversation here. We're gonna take quick break, and we'll be back with outline staff writer, and Derek Gio to talk about many things happening

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Of course, it's my pleasure. Ann writes about lots of different stuff for us, but like often writes about pop culture, culture generally, and things happening in pop culture. And there's actually an interesting story today that I want to talk a little bit about, about Spotify and Archelle, and Triple Extency Honor, however, his name is pronounced

and you're going to maybe give me a different version of that. Can you talk about a little bit like what's going on right now with Spotify? Can you just give like the unreader, a reader or a listener who may not know yet, what is happening right now with Spotify and certain musicians? Right, well, to back up a little bit last year,

publication did a story about how there was a lot of white nationalist bands. There there was a lot of white nationalist bands. There was a good number of white nationalist bands on Spotify. So last year, Spotify took measures to remove hate groups music from their platform. This year, they have implemented a new hate content and hateful conduct policy, which has led them to remove R-Kelly and rapper XXX Tantassian's music from their promoted and official playlists, which is a huge deal because their official playlists get a lot of listens. They can really break new artists that don't have a huge audience yet. And it being on

those playlists generates a lot of money for the artists that are included. So this is a big dent for our Kellyan XXX Tantacions, you know, potential to make music from it. Right, and they're essentially like, I mean, they're what, like are they, they're not taking the alums off. Are they?

You can still listen to their music on the platforms, but they are just not going to be included on Spotify's promoted playlist like rap caviar, which a lot of people subscribe to and listen to automatically from their, from the app. Right. And so, you know, like this is a fairly unprecedented. I mean, I mean, it's actually interesting

because there was, you know, what environment, like I guess previously you might like a music chain that sold CDs or albums or whatever might like pull something off their shelves, right? Like I think this happened like, I mean, it's happened for really dumb reasons in the past. Like Madonna was too sexy. So like they're like Sam Goody's,, I won't sell your album, you know,

Sam Goody was a music chain that I think is out of business now. They sold like CDs. But like, you know, is this, I mean, this is not something Spotify has really ever done before, right? No, not at all and not any other streaming service either. And so this is essentially very much a first for streaming services very much a first for streaming services, very much a first for anybody to kind of police the music, like to kind of say like, well, you may like this person,

but we're going to make it unavailable. Absolutely, especially for Spotify whose playlists have been a main part of what makes them different from other places and what makes them powerful in the industry. Right. And so do you think this is going to, like, how do you manage, I mean, how does Spotify manage something like this? Like, it feels like an unmanageable thing because, like, tomorrow, there could be an allegation against somebody. I mean, it's not like, like, well, I mean, there's been, like, there's enough allegations, but like, it feels like kind of a weird gray area, right? Because how do you

manage the, the ID, like, when do you pull something, right? What is the level something has to rise to? Have they talked about that at all? Well, they responded to an inquiry from the New York Times and said that they can't talk about artists specifically, you know, which people they're going to take off next, but they're going to consider it on a case by case basis and also take into account different cultural differences. It's one thing that they said. But I think that's the huge question that everyone has right now, which is, you know, thinking of other artists, like, are they going to take six, nine off?

Are they going to even go back as far as taking someone like Miles Davis off or something like that? So there is, there are so many questions though. Well, that's, I mean, it's like, like Chuck Berry, right? Right, right. Chuck Berry was notoriously awful. Do you go back and remove that?

There's been so many artists, I feel like, I'm trying to think about, there certainly have been others. Didn't the guy, what is the song they play at, um, sport sporting events? It's like a really, oh, um, it's like a really famous, like, sporting event song in the Harry glitter. Yeah, and the guys like a pedophile. Mm-hmm. Like, are they going to take Gary Glitter's song off? I don't know, but one thing that's interesting, I think with XXX, X, X, X, X,

X Tantacion is that they actively promoted him before he was a big name, which is obviously not true with Arkelli or or my or Chuck Berry. Yeah, and we actually just put a piece up, well, this will air tomorrow so people will be able to go read it that you kind of delved into the history of that. And you know, but by the way, and when they were doing that, these allegations were out there, were they not?

I mean, yes, they were. It wasn't like nobody had ever heard of the possibility that this guy was a piece of shit. It definitely was a thing where people were just ignoring it, right? Yeah, definitely, but I think because so many, so many people have spoken out online and especially celebrities saying we're not going to put up with our Kelly anymore, I think that it's

become a huge basically PR problem for these platforms, so they just can't be silent anymore. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. I mean, there's, you know, we're having an interesting moment in music right now. I feel like, I mean, I wonder how much, and maybe you have some insight into this and can speak to it, but like clearly the thing that has been happening globally, like the Me Too movement for lack of a better way to describe it, or at least the, you know, in growing outspoken, the growing voices of women who have been abused by men in various scenarios, certainly is trickling into the world of music. It's not quite as pronounced, I feel like in music, as it has been in other industries. But it's interesting what's happening in music. It feels

like we're in a very precarious moment. You've got like, there were a lot of really problematic artists suddenly. It feels like more than ever, right? I mean, our Kelly's been problematic for a while, but it's like even the stuff with Kanye that's just been happening where it's like, you feel like you don't want to listen to his music anymore for all sorts of other reasons.

Do you think, I mean, how much of this is going, how much of this are you seeing and thinking about and talking about, and is this gonna become a, I don't know, is this just now the state of things? Are we just gonna have to keep deleting our Spotify playlist or having them deleted for us? That's also kind of a bummer. Like, can you listen, I guess this is that great question

but art, now I'm just randomly, by the way, but it's like, can I listen to an Arkelly song and enjoy it? I mean, the answer is no, for sure. Like every time I hear an Arkelly song now, I'm like, fuck, like I have to get this, I have to change this. The same thing's true for Kanye now. But don't you feel like it's, I feel like my whole thing is like,

it's just comes down to personal thing. Like you have to know all the information, decide how it is, however you feel, you can't shame someone else for a connection. Like, I have a weird, I have a very personal connection to something problematic. And then it's like, like, for example, Lady Gaga has worked with Arkelly and that really upset me.

But I'm also not willing to like, drop her from my personal music preferences. So it doesn't feel like maybe it's a, you can do whatever you want to do, but I feel this way kind of a thing. Like I feel like I'm not just gonna judge someone if they're gonna listen to an archaic song, because I don't know their motives.

Yeah, I mean, like watching, let's say I'm judging anybody, but like this is the great question about like, you know, artists who are now put in through a different lens, no matter who they are, right? I mean, yeah, what is your, I feel like have you written on this? I feel like we have written about it. Yeah, and James and I actually talked about this on dispatch recently, just, you know, going from really, really enjoying our Kelly's music, and James even saw him live once,

and to just after learning all of these things about him not being able to stomach anything having to do with him. But I think Ryan, I feel similarly as Ryan, where I'm not trying to tell people what they can and can't do necessarily, but if I'm at your house and our Kelly comes on, I'm gonna say something and be like comes on, I'm gonna say something

and be like, listen, I don't wanna fucking listen to this, you know? Right. I mean, like, it definitely is to me. I mean, I guess it's personal, certainly in a group setting, it's like not personal because you've got to consider other people. I mean, but I definitely feel, you know,

it's interesting to me, I guess like, Kanye is the most recent, obvious one because like, his shit shuffles up in my playlist all the time. And that's like, it definitely leaves a really bad taste now, especially the stuff, the older stuff that's like very specifically taking on, you know, racism and America's history of racism. And like thinking of his like recent statements and support of people who are definitely the worst fucking racists. You know, it's like, wow, like this feels really bad to listen to now. Um, you know, and on the internet has been doing takes

about his new song and video. This is America this past week on the internet. We have not written any takes on it. There have been a lot of things said. And, you know, I'm fine with that, but it is something I've been thinking a lot about. And like, you know, it's interesting to see it, you know, and you'll obviously spend an enormous amount of time like thinking about the stuff and studying it, but it's like,

it's interesting to see it in relief of the Kanye stuff and people see it as a reaction to the Kanye stuff. And like, you know, is there a conversation happening there? Do you think with that song and with that video? I mean, is it a conversation that's commentary on, I don't think it's commentary on Kanye necessarily. It's certainly commentary on lots of things. You know, is there any feeling?

He also hosted SNL, Donald Glover, and like there were, there was at least one Kanye thing, maybe something else. I feel like maybe there was a joke in the monologue or something, but like he's definitely commenting on it. Like do you think people are drawing conclusions that aren't really there from like going like, oh, this is what Kanye should be doing and he's blowing it and like Donald Glover

is now taking, you know, the lead in this conversation. Yeah, I totally think people are looking for someone to replace Kanye in their hearts, and are, you know, saying, wow, we can really follow Donald Glover as the one now, but just like to connect what we were talking about before and with Kanye, I feel like a big lesson is just that we need to stop holding celebrities up on this pedal

stool that makes us not be able to be critical of them. And it seems like I'm seeing a lot of people doing the same thing with Donald Glover and yeah. Oh, it's only a matter of time. I feel like that's whenever I see somebody, this is such a crazy thing now, but whenever I see somebody who's getting a lot of praise, I'm like, I'm like, here it comes. Yeah, yeah, honestly, it's fucked up. Like I feel like I have a weird Pavlovian response now. milkshake duck. Yeah, like like, I'm like, here it comes. Yeah, yeah, me too. Honestly, it's fucked up. I feel like I have a weird pathlovian response now. Milk shake duck. Yeah.

Whenever I see somebody like Cynthia Nixon, we were just talking, you mentioned her, and I'm like, people are talking about her, and she seems great, and I'm like, something's gonna, just gonna be something, you know? It's a weird state of mind, but you're right. I mean, and the idea like, well, look, it's like, his musical output has been really good.

This is, I feel like the first time that it's felt very, very politically socially, like, he's got something that he's making a statement about and he's going to great lengths, both visually and from a musical perspective to say it. I mean, maybe I'm wrong about that, but I feel like Donald Glover has not been like, he looked like an album like Jesus,

which is like so much of that record is about race, you know, very pointedly. And I haven't admittedly, I don't know all the childish Gambino stuff, so maybe I'm like missing this, but has't know all the childish Gambino stuff, so maybe I'm missing this, but has he made that a big part of the conversation that he's had previously? You know, it's interesting, because before Atlanta,

I never felt any need to listen to Donald Glover. My cousin really likes him, so I tried to listen to one of his albums, and it just wasn't for me. There's something really corny to be about as early as music, but the only time. Yeah, that was always corny. Yeah, but I only really became interested in him when he started working with the director,

the director, Hero Mariah on Atlanta, also with this video, and also on the other video for Sweatpants, which is the only song of his that I've really connected with. So I don't know, I think what's happening, what the most interesting thing is this collaboration between them, because as I was talking about our culture editor, Jeremy Gordon, the song itself isn't like that great, but in conjunction with the video is when it becomes really amazing. And the performance, yeah.

I'm a little suspicious of holding him up as this radical figure, but the video is definitely super compelling and beautiful. You know what's so interesting is I was just talking to Laura about this last night or two nights ago, because we watched the video a couple times in a row. And I was like, you know, it's like, honestly, it feels like these two things came together.

Like, as a piece. Like, I am very curious to know. And like, I don't know, maybe somebody has written about this, maybe they've interviewed him, I'm not really sure. But to me, it feels like they are so complimentary that like, for instance, like the shift in the song, you know, this like very pointed musical shift from like a very upbeat, happy, go lucky vibe to like a very dark, heavy, like the, what I guess would be considered the chorus of the song is so

in sync with what happens in the video. Now, maybe it's just like, wow, they came up with a really great storyline to match to the song, but it feels more to me like when I look at it and when I listen to the song, like these two things were somehow created in tandem, which is, I think it's fairly unusual. Like I don't know if there's a precedent for that. It's like Beyonce, it's the only other person

that has integrated those two things. But how much was, yeah, and how much, I guess my question is like with like, with the visual album, how much was it toothed? But how much was yeah, and how much I guess my question is like with like with the visual album, how much was it like we made the record now? It's we're making the videos. Well, I know Beyonce's talked about like how choreography she saw inspired a song. So like run the world was based partially on the choreography she saw those African dancers doing that she like brought them in. Right. Like they worked together or for example Ariana Grande's talked about brought them in, and like they worked together. Or for example, Ariana Grande has talked about

into you was like, she heard snippets of production, then wrote the lyrics, then went back to the production, and it became this like recursive thing. Yeah, but I think it's interesting to watch an artist do that with, yeah, with the entire video. Right, well, that's what I'm wondering, you know, and I think actually that's interesting to explore and maybe, and like, separately, worth exploring as a piece worth looking into. Like, maybe it's been covered? Yeah, I mean, I definitely had that thought, like, Donald Glover wrote a really good soundtrack to this music video, it's kind of a spicy take.

That's a very spicy take, but also like, maybe correct. Like, I do think, I will say this, like, I saw the video first, because I didn't see the SNL performance. The SNL performance is very good. First I was like, this is kind of lame, because I'd already seen the videos, this feels kind of lame, but then it kind of really takes off.

I have to say, I think the song is quite good. The connection between the song and, I think the song is quite good. The connection between the song and the video seems very tight. And like I am interested in knowing more about that. And what that, and if that's like, listen, that might be, I mean to me that's an interesting way to think about making music now, as a direct, like directly related

to a visual treatment of a song, which I don't think has been really considered before. Yeah, I think it would be really exciting if that happens more because I don't know. I just music videos are still super important. And like this video shows, I mean, people love, love dissecting it online. Oh my God. No, it's insane.

I mean, the stuff, by the way, I mean it exactly for, I think, they made a lot of it exactly this reason. Oh, yeah. Like, there's like Easter eggs and weird stuff. But there's also like, the, like his performance in the video is very specifically, I mean, seems like, or at least what, you know, most people who've done takes on it are saying is like, he's very specifically addressing things in his performance, you know? And I think that if that's not an accent,

which I don't think it is, that's really brilliant. But like, sorry, it's sort of like tight to wrap this particular conversation all up. Like what I was saying is like there seems to be a new, and by the way, we're talking about like black artists here like predominantly, right? Like I mean, like, which is interesting enough itself because like, where like, who are the, who are white artists that are like getting like, you know, the archelle thing or the

triplets density on thing or whatever, like, are there, what are the white counterparts or the like, not in a non people of color counterparts? Because it is actually fucking weird now that I think about it. We're sitting here talking about it and like Kanye having his breakdown or whatever. It's like, is this happening widespread in the music world? Or is there this weird magnifying glass on artists of color? Like, I don't know the answer to that question. I'm asking it.

Yeah. I think that, um, especially maybe a few months ago, there was a lot around indie artists. Um, and you know, artists, especially, I think, are we brand now? Our bottom had a whole thing last year. We did. We did a thing. It's not brand new, right? It was, who was it? Because I know we did.

Oh, it is brand new. Right. Jeremy wrote, or no, Zoe Campro, sorry, it wasn't Jeremy, but Zoe Campro had a thing for us about brand new, which is an emo band. I don't really know them at all. Or like, yeah, who had a bunch of stuff that happened and then Power Bottom, which was a really fucked up one,

is awful. Right, yeah. So yeah, I guess it's like, but it does seem like there's a wave of very specifically like right now. I mean, obviously Kanye is separate from all the Me Too and. It's like we're not hearing Blake Shelton as well.

But that's what I'm saying, like yeah. Like, I'm like, where is the fucking kid rock shit? Cause like, there's no way kid rocks a good guy. Of course, you know what I mean? But there's no way he's like post Malone. God be something coming on post Malone. Yeah, it's like not surprising that we don't hear anything about Megan trainer,

but it's like really kid rock. Nothing making trainer just the same. No, I'm saying that's not surprising. That would be surprising. But like, but what I'm saying is like, but kid rock it's shocking that we haven't heard anything weird. He was running for Congress at some point.

I was fake, but you know what I mean. You'd be fucking out of attention. You'd be fun. How did it tension? You'd be crazy if Megan Trainor was like, sexually harassing people or sexually assaulting people. That would be the craziest me too. There's definitely other stories out there. And yeah, I think that's totally right. I think, you know, because hip hop is such a big part

of American music and culture today, it's definitely going to have a bigger lens on it. But I think that's absolutely right that like, I don't know what's going on in the country world. I don't know what's going on in the electronic world. Right. Oh, I'm sure there's horrible shit having, but I will say, I mean, it is also like a testament to the fact that like, you know, pop music is black music. It like, it is just like at this point. I mean, it is, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think it's just like, it is completely overtaken. Like rock music doesn't really exist anymore.

Like white music seems like shrunken to barely visible. By the way, Danum in country. Like, I'm not complaining. Like, I'm into it. Like, I just think it's so interesting to how like Nashville and Black Artists. You know, it's interesting. Like the last 20 years, like as music has become, I'm not saying democratize, because like I still think lots of huge entities still control what we listen to in many ways.

But I do think that giving, like YouTube is a platform to see like, what are people watching? Definitely has like proven out some things. I think we always knew, which is like, giving, like, YouTube is a platform to see like, what are people watching? Definitely has like proven out some things that I think we always knew, which is like, there were interests that, and we actually wrote about this, that how white the top 40 has been historically, and how much that's like an interest of players

not necessarily the audience. And if the audience had it say, it actually gravitates towards like, honestly, you know, when you look at hip-hop and R&B and like so much of music that has been historically considered black music, it is like very progressive, like incredibly new music in a lot of ways. And it's interesting. Like, the people will actually go like, that's what we want to hear now. Like, that is where culture is shifting to.

Yeah. And if you don't like feel like billboard control of fucking top 40 like spotifies top fucking 40 or 50 is like majority like that stuff and not fucking white musicians. Yeah. It's mostly for people on color. Yeah. Queer people. And then like a Taylor Swift thrown in postmortem. Who's like, I'm, hey guys, I'm cool. Which is why I think like people need not despair that they, you know, that it seems like they have to take a closer look at the artists they like because there's so many other artists that you can,

you know, show your support to instead of an archaelie or something like that. It's like, you can just discover so much and so many artists that aren't fucking assholes. Yeah, you don't need archaelie. No. By the way, this is a man. I'm going to the charts right now. This is fucked up. Top 50 in the United States. This is America. Number one, better now by Post Malone number two, which is by the way, I listened to that record that he just put out.

It is bad. Now I said, Post Malone has catchy songs, and I will stand by that. I don't think he's good or nice. I don't like him, but his songs, but his songs are fucking catchy. That record is not good, and this song better now is not good. It is like some definite like emo shit.

It is like emo, it's like emo wrap, now is not good. It is like some definite like emo shit. It is like emo it's like emo rap. It's not good. No. And that sounds like it could be good, but it isn't. Nice for what? Unbelievable song. I listened to this on the drive home the other day. I listened to nice for what? 16 times in a row. Damn. And it was fucking great. Every listen was a new discovery, a new discovery. Psycho post Malone. This is fucking bullshit. Oh my god. And $Tied all of a sign. But still, God's plan, Drake, paranoid post Malone, stay post Malone. This is fucked up. It's because you're like, this record? Yeah, no, this is the, this is Spotify. Now, here's the thing about Spotify that is fucked up. They count plays, right?

And so if you listen to the record, this is what happens, it's like a new record comes out. It's like the J-Cole record, like the week it came out, which I think was like two weeks ago, for that week, the top 50 was like eight of the top, like 20 were his songs. Yeah, it used to just be the Beatles and Mariah Carey.

That could do that. But like because people are listening to the whole record, which is nice to listen to an album, that album is also fucking amazing. I know if you've listened to it. And now I'm just talking about what's on this bottom. Yeah, we're just going through top 50. Anyhow, and what else is going on out in the world of pop culture besides horrible men behaving badly or having manic episodes?

What else is happening that we can talk about? Anything that has peaked your curiosity. Oh, you did. Actually, it's kind of a nice thing, we should type out a little bit. You did this really weird card story, which I tweeted about. And I said it was like CSI celebrity

about this moment between Drake and Rihanna at the MTV Music Awards, correct? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Can you explain, can you set up what this is? Absolutely. So, Rihanna just didn't interview. She had a profile with Vogue and in it, the interviewer brings up Drake and Rihanna says that when Drake gave her her Vanguard Award at the 2016 VMAs and he professes love for her. It made her extremely uncomfortable.

And looking back at the video, you can totally see it now, just her doing that sort of pity laugh that people do for someone who's not funny, but is still talking. And he just like really cheesed hard and tried to make this romantic moment on state. Yeah, it was like really weird, right? Because it seemed like maybe something was going on with them. Like I feel like the, when you heard someone else's inside Joe, but I feel like the lead up to this was like, there was like a photo of them hanging out somewhere in like us weekly. And then there was like this kind of rumor, like maybe something was happening.

Yeah, there were definitely always rumors that they are together. And I know they definitely not like capitalized on that but played with that with their videos and songs like take care and work so you know right work is like work is definitely felt like a wink yeah yeah yeah for sure but But on stage, it's just, at that award show, it just felt like Rihanna was not feeling the earnestness he was attempting to bring. It was, and he was like not cool about it.

I mean, it didn't seem like Romantic, it felt awkward. It felt like he was trying to turn a show mance into a romance and she was like, what are we doing? It was one of those things where somebody goes off script. Yeah. And like at an award show, which is exactly what happened.

And they're like, you're like, and the person next to them is like, what is the, you know, it's like, what was your plan? Like what is the joke you're doing? Yeah. You know? So you did it, you did this card story.

It's like 19 detailed cards, like going into the moment. And do you feel there's like a specific moment where it just breaks? I think you have it in there, but talk about it a little bit. Yeah, I think from the moment Drake came on stage, it was doomed, just his bowing and motioning to her.

But the moment it broke was definitely when he said, I've been in love with this girl since I was 22 years old. That's a nice seriana, just like laughing. She's like at one point walks away and turns around to hide her face. And that's when everything went downhill. And like they said in the Vogue profile, it just made this moment that was about Rihanna's accomplishments about Drake. Oh, right. It's not cool. Right. That's so true. I mean, that's so interesting. It's also like, you know, I gotta say, I'm sorry, they got ties into a hot topic as of late, which is these guys, these insell guys that are involuntarily celibate. But I feel like there is like this thing where,

okay, I will say this. And I'm sure in-sells are like, yeah, classic situation, nice guy, can't get the girl. You know, and like, I do think it does weirdly reinforce this one thing that you hear like guys talk about all the time where they're like, I'm such a nice guy, like, why can't?

But like, but there is, like, you can be nice and still be cool. And like, yeah, he's like, I think we all agree, Drake seems like a a nice guy, like, why can't? But like, but there is, you can be nice and still be cool. And like, he's like, I think we all agree, Drake seems like a really nice guy. I can't believe I tied this to in cells at all, like I don't know where I came from. But like, what made me think of it? It's like, there, one of the arguments I hear from these guys

who are like, why can't I get laid is like, I'm such a nice guy. And it's like, you know, just being nice, by the way, those guys definitely aren't really nice. Drake actually seems like he's pretty nice. But it's like, you you could still have some moves. And also, it doesn't, being nice doesn't entitle you to anything. Right. That's like, be a human decent.

Right, I don't think Drake felt like he was entitled here. And again, Drake is not an insult. I mean, it's a little, it's a little entitled, the assumption that, like, again, that moment became about him and what he had to say. No, it is true. It's like the Kanye Beyoncé Taylor Swift thing, which has been talked to death, but also at the MTVVMAs, Beyoncé didn't ask him to do that, and it wasn't about Beyoncé.

It was about Kanye all of a sudden. It's very male. It's like, I have shit to say now, and you're all gonna listen. Definitely a dude move. It's like, do this at Thanksgiving, buddy. Yeah, no, don't do it at Thanksgiving. But, you know what I mean?

Like, do this in your own house with a gather of people. Don't do this at someone else's Thanksgiving. A word thing. And Drake went in for the neck nozzle too, which is like, oh, yeah. That's tough. That's tough in real life. Unwanted advances. Man, oh, it's dark stuff.

Oh, I also, I wanted to ask you actually how you feel about Grimes and Elon Musk. Oh, my God. This is such a good topic. Oh, my God. We didn't talk about it before. Holy shit. Okay. So first off, it's very Westworld. Let's is such a good topic. Oh my God. I can't believe we didn't talk about it before, holy shit. Okay, so first off, let me- It's very Westworld.

Let's talk about a few things. I think it's a publicity stunt. That's the first thing I'd like to say. Sure. I believe, I do not believe, I will say, if you look at, and Lauren, I did this other night, we went through Elon Musk's various ex-partners. There's definitely a look.

And Grimes definitely has the look. It's like I've been in a basement, like doing witchcraft. Like, no. And he's like, I'm science man, you're witchcraft. The look is, the look is. Very vision scarlet witch. The look is like, what's the right way to put this?

The look is Bjork powder, skinny powder. So I would describe the look. It's like, it's like very pale and very skinny. Yes. And so like that definitely fits with Grimes general situation. She took anti-imperialist out of her Twitter bio after dating, starting to quote unquote, date him.

So Laura was reminding me that like one of his exes like went ballistic on him on like a blog spot or something, on like a WordPress blog and was like shit talking Elon Musk like several years ago. She was very chic. And was like maybe talked about him having not a good penis in some way

and like I was like, oh Elon Musk, like yeah, he loves the fuck, like that guy's like a fuck machine apparently like he's going to like sex parties and stuff. Oh yeah. But like I'm actually trying, I'm trying to imagine, I'm not trying to imagine them having sex necessarily, but an amorous moment between grimes and Elon Musk,

and it's hard for my brain to make it work. Like think about them kissing. Just do it, just do it right now. I'm thinking sand. Is it working for you? Like sand. Are you seeing it? Does it feel natural? I can see it, just do it right now. I'm thinking sand. Is it working for you like sand? Like sand. Does it feel natural?

I can see it, but I don't see it being sexy for anyone involved. I don't know anything. You say? Like I can see the mechanics of it. But I can see being like, yeah, I'm gonna get that musk to hurt. Her tassel and necklace at the mech,

I was like, was like, all I could think is like, if you hug her too tight, it'll stab her. Like I honestly was like, please, nobody hug her. She did it on purpose. She was like, Musk don't get too close. She was like, take me.

Now, that would be a very, like, grime, seems like a very grimesy way to go. Yeah. Like, while making out with Elon Musk, her Tesla, Tesla, necklace stabs her in the heart. Right?

Yeah. I don't know, man. I really like grimes music. And I'm like, I think Elon Musk is an interesting person. Ooh, I mean, he is. Sure. He's annoying. Lots of people are interesting.

I don't think they should be dating. I don't like it. I mean, I'll just say it. I don't like it. I mean, I don't. And what do you think? Yeah, I mean, I have never really known a lot about Elon Musk's personal life, but I do like a lot of grimes as music. So when I heard that, I have never really known a lot about Elon Musk's personal life,

but I do like a lot of Grimes' music. So when I heard that, I was like, it's like that, I don't know. You know that, did you ever know a really cool girl in college? And then later you learned that she was actually had terrible politics? I kind of feel like. It feels like when I found out that Christina Aguilar and Mariah Carey and all these female divas perform for billionaires in these private concerts for like tons of money and they're like violent oil sheaks who like have private armies and you're like, oh, that doesn't feel good. Don't do

Jeannie in a bottle there She might can't do Jeannie in a bottle there like her lots of reasons, but I guess she has to that's her song It's funny. I know you're saying, you know, I think I've been lucky in life. I'm gonna say something. I look, I've experienced a very privileged life. There's no question. But I've been especially lucky that I have not

ended up being friends with or spending time with people who have detestable, like political opinions. You know, what? You can't think of anyone. No, I mean, I have. I mean, they're people, but like just really bad politics. But I've never had a friend who turned out to have like horrible politics. Never mind. You can't think of one.

I can think of one. Oh, yes. One. One. There's one. There's one. One person. I'm going to edit that down. No, yeah, one. There's one. There's one. Okay. We got that. I'm going to edit that down.

No, but keep it positive. I've had one friend who, but I knew from the beginning, he had terrible politics and I was like, I was a coworker. This is a little group. And it never improved. Well, I was just like, he'll cover it out at some point. And that didn't. But, you know, but yes, okay, one situation, but other than that, you know, it's like,

I don't have, like, okay, at our Thanksgiving, we have like 25 people at our Thanksgiving. And everybody there was politically aligned. Okay, as far as I knew, and as far as I heard, which I think is unusual. Oh, I did. You know what? I just went down to Florida, and I had dinner with my aunt

and uncle. And that was tough. Uncle Boris. Oh, that was tough. And Aunt Uncle Boris. Oh, that was tough. And Aunt Norin. Yeah, that's tough. And they are, Boris and Nareen and Florida aren't gonna have anything good to say.

They are hardcore trop supporters. Yeah. Which is fucked up, because they're Jews. That doesn't. And, but they're old. You can mnuke in your way into that. I was like, and I was like, just really having trouble with it.

We were a dinner and I was like, yeah, he's great. I was like, he seems so good. Definitely great. I see you doing so much good stuff. What a good vote. Welcome to my life. They're like, don't count them out. I'm like, no, I'm fucking counting them out.

Yeah, no, he's counted out. Dude, that's, he's out. That count was a long time ago. The count is over. The fucking votes are in. He's in, but in my opinion, he's out. Anyhow. I think rancher website.

I don't think so. They don't read that shit, man. They don't know anything. It's fine. It's good. If they listen to this, I'm in big trouble, but they're not gonna listen to it. You know, look, but old people are dangerous.

We gotta get rid of them. I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I'm not saying we should have what Logan's run has, where at the age of 30 you quest for renewal, but I'm just saying maybe it's not that bad of an idea. You know, just like Thanos in Infinity War, sorry, spoiler alert, if you haven't heard about it. Have you seen Thanos is right? And and Eric, have you seen Infinity War? I haven't, no. Okay, are you a big Avengers fan? I'm not. Do you care if I ruin the Avengers movie for you?

I wish you would ruin it so I can talk to people. Thanos was like, we got a wipe out half of the universe, half of life in the universe, so that the other half can live better with more resources. Yeah, whatever, you know what I mean? Yeah, with more resources. They need, like, oh, more meat. But again, if you had read magical powers, you could just. Yeah, whatever, you know what I mean? Yeah, with more resources. They need like, oh, more meat. Again, if you had magical powers, you could just make more resources.

Well, that's another way to do it. Why don't you make it like extra, double the planets? Yeah, make more corn. Double the planets, double your fun. That's my saying. Anyhow, you know, maybe old people should try for renewal at the age of 30.

I wouldn't be here. I'd be done. It's 32 young maybe, maybe it should be. Yeah, it's age of 30. I wouldn't be here. I'd be done. It's 32 young maybe. Maybe it should be. Yeah, it's kind of fast on me. Let's 50. At the age of 50 you go try for renewal and maybe what did I see? But you don't.

Get up into carousel. You know, does anybody know what I'm talking about? Is anybody who's seen Logan's run? Of course. And Derek, can you see Logan's run? I haven't know. Oh my fucking god. Okay.

But I will say I know a lot of I mean, I don't know, but I know of a lot of bad Trump supporting young people. So they're on you do. You do. But you live in Montana. So well, I went to high school in Connecticut and wow. There's one girl I went to high school with. She is 27 now. She joined the Air Force after Trump got elected. What? She's like, I'm deaf. She's like, I want to have my body be bullet-riddled. Yes. And I know the Trump will get me into a war.

So slam dunk. That's insane. Yeah, I play. Listen, if you're a young person like Trump, I don't know, you're lost. You're very lost. Yes. And you need to come back into the light. You step into the light, because you're a young person like Trump, I don't know, you're lost, you're very lost. And you need to come back into the light. You step into the light, because you're in a dark place and it's not good. Step into the light of Thanos.

Yeah, step into Thanos is cleansing light, is what I'm saying. But anyhow, so I'm just saying, old people are bad and dangerous. We've got to keep our eye on them, we've got to watch them. We have to not let them get a hold of too much power. They've got all the power now and it's very bad because their ideas are fucking punk. I don't know how we got onto this and but I feel like you're responsible for it.

Oh, Elon Musk and Grimes, which actually brings me full circle. You know, I think it's fine to date somebody's older than you. I don't think it's a problem with that. But like, are they really aligned as people, do they want the same things? I think when you're partnering up with somebody, you've got to have a shared vision. You can't just like how powdery and skinny somebody is. And just career-wise, it just seems like a bad move for her brand. I don't know. It seems like a good move for her pocketbook. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, also a lot like a good move for her pocketbook. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm like, also a lot of people heard about Grimes who are not talking about Grimes. Yeah, no, guess what? Grimes is in us weekly now, okay? Grimes is fucking in like a, vanity fair is right about Grimes. Yeah.

You know, like suddenly Grimes is hot shit. Elon Musk's something of a starlit. It's actually a bummer. Actually, it's like Grimes and Kanye. I feel like there's something connected here. You know, although Elon Musk is definitely not a maga dude. He's definitely anti-Trump. Sure, I think.

Sure. I mean, he definitely took a meeting with him though. And he's also the guy who is like making a candy company instead of clean water. So are we like, is he actually making a candy company? I don't know. That's like inspired by Grimes. She's like, make black candy. She's like, make black candy.

She's like, I want candy that looks like. Make candy that tastes like gasoline. I want to eat it. And she's like, could you invent candy that looks exactly like an actual razor, but is delicious? And he's like, you got it. And it screams and you bite it. Yeah, he's like, I can do that. She's like, I want a sword that's made out of chocolate, but looks just like a sword.

And he's like, he's like, I have enough money for that. He's like, baby, I got you. Oh, and their meeting story was so insufferable. Oh, my God, I don't think that's it. Let's hear that from him. Yeah, and tell us how they met. Okay, let me just make sure I get the facts straight because I don't want to get this story wrong.

But basically they met on Twitter when Elon Musk was researching an AI joke that also incorporated the word roco co, but then he looked online and Grimes. I believe it's, I believe it's recote, right? That's the word. It's a recote, which is like a style of a design style. I'll say he sounds like a great comedian. Rococo is a design style from I want to say it's like 16th century France. Let me look it up real quick.

It's old and fancy and delicate, but basically it's very ornate. Yeah, can't wait to see about this. Sorry, it's an architectural style. It began approximately 1730. Thank you, Google. It's also a painting style, Google. It's a can't wait to hear his day. They refer to it here as an architectural style. Decorative. It's a decorative style, Google. It's a, it's a decorative style. It's the final expression of the Baroque movement.

Uh, so, I'm saying, let me slide right into those DMs. And all, all, all technologies are like, big, my Baroque joke. All technologies have like a boner for like the Baroque era. Like, it's like, some kind of, yeah, it's like, like Neil Stevenson has like, I don't know if you know, and if you know Neil Stevenson, the writer, but he's like written a lot of like sci-fi that somehow delves into Gozine. I mean, he has this whole,

I think he has a set of books called like the Baroque cycle or something. If it's not Baroque. Oh my God, anyhow, sorry. It's a very ornate, very awesome-looking style that actually was like the Met Gala, a lot of the Catholic stuff is like very broke, very like Rococo.

Mm-hmm. I'm probably fucking that up somehow, but it's like, anyhow. It's not like, that's not a fashion. The intercontent and over-designed. Yes, yes, very intricate, very ornate, very like, yeah, anyhow. So go on.

So he was researching a joke. Sorry, yeah, explain this again. He was researching a joke. He was researching a joke that had to do with, how did you say it? Rococo. Rococo. Rococo. With Rococo and AI, he saw that she had already made the joke and then message to her about it. That's it. I can't wait for their Netflix. They're dueling Netflix specials. I can't even, I can't even. These two sound like a chuckle bucket. Yeah, this sound. They sound.

I can't keep it together around the two, those two hilarious, I mean, to be perfectly honest, they sound, they do sound like people, like a lot of people on the internet. Yeah, like they sound like, like I feel like if you heard a story, they met on Reddit. Yup, and they were just like, Oh yeah. And you're like, they internet was bad. They're like, I was researching an AI joke

about Rekopco and she's already made it. You'd be like, yeah, of course they did. They're like two very lauded redditors. And it's like, okay. But you're eating each other gold. But yeah, right, they're the people who buy the jewelry that's like the, there's, have you seen the ads for this? By the way, I could ask this on Instagram.

This is so weirdly fun related. Of course you do. No, fuck off. It's like, it's like, make an investment. It's like jewelry that's like, actually, weighted. It's like, a pound of gold as like a necklace or whatever. It's like, finally you can have like, it's like, you're putting your wealth in like,

of course you do. My answer for cruises, all male cruises, you get these. Of course, of course they are. I mean, but it's like one of those things where it's like, I don't know how I got on the necklaces, but the point is, you're like, we gave each other gold. Yeah. Oh, you said reddit gold. I was thinking like, prepper gold.

I was thinking like, because they could see them giving each other reddit gold and then Elon sends her actual gold as a pun that he researched. Oh my god, he has it. But it's fool's gold because it's grimes. Oh my god. Oh my god. They tell 20 minutes to tell that story.

But he has the point is it's like, yeah, I get it. You guys are like, redditors, but you're not. You're Elon Musk tech billionaire and Grimes famous fucking pop celebrity, at least somewhat famous. Yeah, Indie pop star. Like you don't have to be on Twitter making jokes by her cocoa. You could do better. Get on like, just meet each other at a mass grade sex party and Santa Barbara like you wanted to. What's the rich successful person Tinder? It's called right. Raya. Raya. Raya. You know, we're all on it. But like, three can find the Jonathan Chabon. Isn't that where

you mean the food God? We have to end this one. Okay. I mean, Jonathan, you know, but the food God is on Raya. How do you know that? It just seems like it's true. And I believe it's okay. Wait, Ryan, are you know that? It just seems like it's true and I believe it's true. Okay. Wait, Ryan, are you on it? I have, I've had it. What?

But I'm not on it now. Hold on. I just want to see. How do you get on? I have to look at you. You apply. And they let you on? Sure.

You underestimate me at every turn. Wow. I don't have my blue check for nothing. I wonder if I could get on there. You could absolutely get on there. I got on there. Yeah, that's true. I want to see you on there. Oh, so the Derek, I need you to get on Raya and tell me who in your state is the big celebrity. Probably the fucking, what's his name? The guy who assaulted the journalist is probably on there. Oh, yeah. The fucking senator. Well, John Mayer lives in Montana. Why, Justin Timberlake? You could be the next Shane Ashe.

John Mayer, fuck machine guy loves to bang. Bang it out. Bang it out. What? The guy who played the funds. There are a lot of selects. Henry Winkler lives in Montana. Barry's old.

Yes. Waste topic. He was part of an episode of King of the Hill too. Yeah, I tell you also, Henry Winkler. Fuck City USA. Fuck City USA. Yeah, I tell you also Henry Winkler, fuck city USA. Fuck city. You know, they should read it. Hey, Montana, the fuck town.

I am getting on the first flight out. Oh my God. I'm popping open raya. See if I can get on in here. Oh my God. You should. You should. I want to see.

I love a follow-up podcast. I want to know. We will do a whole two hours on Montana, Raya Montana. We'll go back to video. on Montana, Raya Montana. We'll go back to video. Is it called Raya? It's what's called Raya. Okay.

Does that mean something? I don't know. It means like sure it means something and some appropriate and in the effort that they think is cool from yoga. Definitely. Some shit. All right, we should wrap up. And Derek, this is very fun.

I know that I did a lot of talking, but I feel like you've spurred an extremely good conversation. I love when we talk about it. I'm so glad you brought up Elon Musk and Grimes, because I just forgot all about that. I've tried to do a little bit of it. Oh, we would have been so mad if we didn't talk about that. You're very right. You're very right.

And you have to come back. I'm obviously you work at the outline, so it won't be hard to find you. But I know, if anybody listen to this, go read some of Anderic stuff. The most. Go look at the Swarov thing, which is really good, but also there's a ton of great stuff

that she writes all the time for the site. So check, go find, and by the way, we don't have author pages, but we're getting them. So it'll be a lot easier to find. Anderic's writing very shortly, is one thing we left of the kind, root floor, when we log. I remember you talking about author pages

when this website first started. Okay, well, it's like, we're not gonna do go for right now, and we will do them, and it's just been like on the back burner. Anyhow, but Ann Derrick, thank you for joining and we will talk to you very soon. Thanks so much, you guys. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week because more tomorrow and as always, I wish you and your family

the very best though, I've just learned that your family has taken a trip to Fuck Town, USA, and Henry Winkler is there. you