Tomorrow - 123: Full Contact With Jeremy Gordon

Episode Date: July 13, 2018

Josh is having problems with a game from a year ago, Ryan just turned 28 (again), and Elon Musk is screaming from the top of the internet about how cool he is. After we get through all that, they still have time to talk about a racist pizza company. Then, the Champ is here. Undefeated wrestling fanatic and the Outline’s very own Culture editor, Jeremy Gordon, pops in to discuss the sport and the timelessness of Joel Schumacher’s Batman & Robin. At no point does anyone discuss Westworld. Have a nice day, Kenny Omega! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey and welcome to tomorrow. I'm your host Josh Witspolski. Today on the podcast we discuss submarines, bugs and the golden lovers. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get All right, we're back. Hi. It's another tomorrow Ryan is here of course with me. Still trapped in this room. Trapped in this room, but enjoying it. Yeah, no, I love it. It's like Stockholm Syndrome. Mm-hmm.

I'm going to Stockholm. You're gonna think that you never want to leave, but actually you're gonna need to get out. Actually, John gave me a gift. Yes, right. My birthday gift was a trip to Europe. No. And we're going to Iceland and Stockholm, most likely. Wow. And I immediately was like, you can keep the return ticket and just put it towards hotel feeds because I'm not leaving. Yeah.

Wow. You know, it's a nationalist movement sweeping Europe right now. So don't get too comfortable. Listen, I'm staying out of Germany. I'm staying out of America. Yeah. I don't know, man. Okay. So we're going to do, uh, we should do so. I want to do news, but we don't have a ton of time. We got a big show. Yep. We got a lot coming up, but we're going to go real fast. Yeah. So some news. First story. I turned 28 again. Oh, Happy birthday. Thank you. I love it. I'm so proud of you. Um, second is story, bustle, but gocker.

Well, Brian Goldberg, the swiles of bustle. I mean, who was hated by gocker? I mean, a lot of people were hated by gocker and hated gocker. Goldberg definitely probably won't do anything good with it. His business is mainly like arbitrage, like get, you know, it's like balance, how many ads you can sell, how many stories you can put up. Bustles and algorithm. I mean, let's just say Bustle had some of the most diffusive fire festival stories, okay? If you go back and look at Bustles, I mean, I think people have screen capped it, but Bustle

had like the fire festival is going to rip, ladies. Bustle had a lot to say about, about Yani and Laurel like three days later. It's Yani. Sorry, I don't know. I don't know the Bustle. Yani, I'm sorry, I'm European. I'm going to Europe and now I pronounce everything with broad A sounds.

Sorry, and so Yani. Yani and Laurel, okay, anyhow. Drill did a really good tweet about Yani and Laurel. Yani and Laurel, Yani and Laurel. I didn't say. I don't know, it's like, I was like, yeah, Laurel, both suck. Fuck you. It was like so after the fact that it was really good. Yeah. So that's that happened. I mean, I mean, Rick is moto just recently had a meltdown. I mean, gives me the gizmoda media group is now being sold off. The onion is being sold from from a fusion media group fusion media group is now being sold off. The onion is being sold from from a fusion media group.

Fusion media group is now selling off the thing it bought two years ago. Look, it's a break everybody. It's a blood. Look, I wrote a piece. It's called your media business will not be saved. 2016 is the whole reason we ever even ended up getting funding for this business. Wait, wait, wait, wait. What if Gawker pivoted to video? You know, what if they made a newsletter? I mean, the problem is like, I don't know, like, what's an MTV news and Gawker co-created a video project that was just 10 second silent videos that played on the Twitter feed? Do you think that that would make money?

Yes. Like tiny cooking videos. I'll be honest with you. I'll tell you something. I'm being woke. Whenever I look at Facebook, which I try to do very little, I do, I will say I find myself stopping to watch those fucking now this videos.

And I always feel two things when I watch them. One, total outrage because they're always about something outrageous. Oh yeah. Two, like this little girl got punched in the face. Two, like I'm never, I never feel smarter. Nope. Or like I even remember what the fuck the thing was about

to begin with. Or what to do about it. I don't have nothing. It's an except. But also my retention on the information is like, nothing. It's like, oh, this is like Maxine Waters. It's like this woman got yelled at

because she's wearing a Puerto Rico shirt. And I watched the video and I'm like, this is outrageous. Or it'll say like Maxine water. It's like this woman got yelled at because she's wearing a Puerto Rico shirt. And I watched the video and I'm like, this is outrageous. What else they like Maxine Waters was insulted by this fundraiser for a nonprofit. And you're like, I know that this is important. And I support Maxine Waters. I don't remember what happened. It's like just really kind of feels like they're there to make you feel like triggered in some way. They're there to make you stop for two seconds.

A look at the video. Yeah. Yeah. And like I they contain information. No doubt. How much? How much though? It's just a fortune cookie, man. It's a small amount. A small amount. At least a fortune cookie, you learn a word.

Makes you feel good because you watched it. Anyhow. Anyway, also Trump is at the NATO summit. I love Trump. I love Trump. Fully saying things like Germany is in Russia's pocket, which at this point, like, if I wrote this script, you would have said like, it's a little, it's a little naval gazing and self-involved.

It's a little too many inside jokes. The audience can't keep up. I, listen, here's the thing with Trump, okay? Everything he says is garbage. Everything he does is garbage. Nothing good is gonna happen as long as he is unchecked, as power is unchecked. I'm, this is a mantra I'm going to repeat till I'm dead,

and I'll probably be killed soon due to the number of death threats I've ever seen recently. Um, and that balloon started falling around the city. The giant Joshua's a baby balloon. That's right. Um, um, vote. Please, if you're a center left center, left of center, I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. I don't present the inixen. Just if you're, I don't for you. I don't get it. But sitting in the next if you're fucking. I don't. I don't. I don't see the nixen. It doesn't matter. Cynthia. I'm sorry. I'm just gonna say it. It doesn't matter if Cynthia Nixon wins. What matters is if the fucking, if, if, if fucking beta or work wins.

That's what matters. Sure. Sure. I know I want, I want good people everywhere. Don't give me wrong. There's good people on both sides. I just think what we see from Giliata. I'd like Cynthia Nixon at the home. Cynthia Nixon will be locked up as soon as they start doing the handmaid's tail stuff. She'll go right for her, okay?

But that's not the point. I'm not worried about New York. I am worried about New York, of course, because it's where I live. I'm not worried about New York the way I'm worried about the rest of the world. And the rest of the world needs the help of, it needs you. People in fucking Alabama, wherever the fuck you are in Texas, in Arkansas, in Nevada, and wherever, get, go out and vote against the Republicans. They're destroying your healthcare.

But not even just destroying the fucking economy. I want to be the opposite of now this and tell you not just vote. Donate. If you have to vote, vote time. Go knock on the first bank. Do something. I'm just saying you got to take physical Civil action and the civil action has to be protest

Volunteer stop reading all stop reading all the shit find the candidate that is the person that represents what is better And just do what you think and support them and vote for them vision your passionate for and step nasal gaze Navigating on what vision is going to be sellable to who and to where just find something you actually believe in, donate money to it and your time to it and it will transcend to people. I'm sick of pieces saying, you know, actually, when you forget minority voters in the Midwest, you forget the Democratic Party. Actually, we need to ignore minority voters in the Midwest and the Fox posted two pieces today, one of which said that center left Republican or center left Democrats have a huge place in the party and we need to like back them.

And another piece published said that progressive candidates in Kentucky have the most small dollar amount donations after them. So we need to get passionate about progressive democratic socialist politics. And those pop pieces were published in my RSS feed right next to each other. That's nonsense. Stop listening to these people. Just pick something you're actually care about. This is really simple, okay.

Here's the deal. No matter which Democrat, not get you want to stir up the base when everybody gone and we don't know, you don't know who it is. There's a lot of people who just look, more people vote if we Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. We need several million, we need more people than that, okay? We need millions of extra new people to vote for somebody who is not a Republican candidate.

I don't care which candidate it is. It's just not a Republican because the Republicans have created a fucking wall that protects a heinous man and allows him to do whatever he wants. And the only way to break the wall is to vote out Republicans because when they can't, when they, if they cannot have a unified voting front, they can be stopped. But that's all that matters. That is the only thing that matters. Nothing else matters. And if you put your time and energy and money into anything, it should be that thing. We have midterms coming up. We could shift this fucking narrative. We have to be loud. It should not be subtle. It should be a fucking

landslide. These some of these should be landslides because I get news for you. I don't know. I don't know if the Republicans are feeling motivated or mobilized or not. I heard a stat. Maybe it was wrong. Maybe it was right. I don't think that they are. I heard the beta aurora who's running against Ted Cruz in Texas raised in the last quarter, 12 and a half million dollars and Ted Cruz raised less than four. Listen, I think the Republicans, the, the, the, their chorus base, maybe 10, 20 percent of the country, the chorus to Republican base are extremely defensive and passionate. I don't think anyone else who fell into, falls into that conservative side gives a shit at this point. They're furious that their lives are fucked up and they don't know who to blame,

but I don't think they're feeling galvanized like they were all it takes. are. All it takes is for the right for more people to go out and vote. I believe in my heart that there are more people in this country. I really believe this. There are more people in this country. So not about parties, by the way. There are more people in this country that believe that believe in, that believe in in the rule of law, don't want people who don't want a kleptocratic leader,

don't want a fat, a, a fascist leader. President for life, which he loves to say. They, they don't want a man who congratulates literal murderers like Putin and, and Dua Rite. Kim Jong Un. Yeah. Literal torturers and murders, he congratulates and pals around with. They don't want that person to lead this country and they see the damage. It's being done.

And I don't give a shit what fucking party you are an allegend to in terms of your history. What I care is that like you're thinking about like the future of this country. Because I think the future of the country hangs in a serious balance. And I think people need to go and they need to actually show that they give a shit. Now, you sat home, you voted for Jill Stein, you like Gary Johnson's weed policies. Don't give a fuck. All that matters now is take back the fucking government from the Republican party. So also in the news, the also in the news, the Thai boys were rescued.

The guy to Elon Musk Elon Musk was like, I'm so new submarine. They're like, no, thanks. They're out. Also the submarine wouldn't work. Listen, like good deeds are good deeds. When you fucking fucking Elon Musk every time. So I'm on people on Twitter for promo about how fucking cool your company is. Go fuck yourself. No, it's a monster. Elon Musk is like, I'm sorry, he's created this thing where it's like, listen, I think he's a very smart guy. And I respect a lot of you. You

know what? Smart guy with great intentions who wants to change the world for the better and do it in the way that like, well, best help people and actually does get some self promo from it. And like, it spends its life doing, Bill and Melinda Gates do that. You love Bill Gates. They're great people. You're one of the biggest Bill Gates staffs.

I actually think he's a great guy who takes a pragmatic approach to using his money to, do I think like capitalism and begging billionaires for help is going to save the world? No, but the best case scenario is Bill Gates. Worst case scenario is Elon Musk who builds a little fucking mini rocket and wants everybody to clap for him. Listen, here's the, he's on Twitter saying billionaires is slur, by the way. But it's, it is a slur.

You're a fucking money hoarder and there are people dying and all you're doing is sitting on piles of fucking money and going on sex tours. Fuck him. Anyhow, but listen, but Elon Musk's smart guy, talented guy, obviously creative inventor, wonderful.

Every time something happens, you don't need to chime in with your solution for it. It's possible that you should focus on the Model 3 or whatever your shareholders want. But you know what he said? He was like, people judge me for the way that I make money or the way that I get promo, but someone tweeted him,

but it's all in service of Mars. And he retweeted it as if like that was his moral goal. That was to get like, fuck you Mars is your moral goal. Listen, listen, listen, you know, having tangled with Elon and his fans recently, PayPal gave us a thing of a problem. I could tell you that PayPal's pretty useful actually. Peter Teele and Elon Musk were not worth.

I'm sorry, but PayPal is actually a pretty good service. I hate to say it. I have a PayPal debit card. I'm a bad guy, but it's very useful. You know, but it's like You know, the fuck just stop paying attention to the internet. Stop paying the Twitter. Don't look at Twitter. Who cares? He's a but I actually think it's kind of good that he's pulling into the open how terrible Like bill like billionaires pretending to be Iron Man are.

Like, maybe it's kind of good that a generation of people is disillusioned about who Elon Musk is and what he wants. And he's got to die hard fans, but I also think that there's an awful lot. Yes, he does. Another fact of people who fucking look at him and they're like, I actually used to look up to him a little bit.

And now I look at him and I'm like, oh yeah, no, that's a fucking challenge. But the important thing, we'll get to Kelly Jenner in a second. The important thing about Elon Musk that you should yeah, no, that's a fucking chill. But do you think the important thing, so it's a highly generous? But the important thing, oh, hold on, we'll get to Kelly Jenner in a second. The important thing about Elon Musk that you should know in his fans is that there are probably a lot more people who disagree than agree with him on a lot of these topics. But those people don't form online mobs and harass people.

His fans do. Yeah. It's like stand culture. It's basically pop star stand culture. Yeah. Before this story about pop star stand culture, which is my whole life is a story about pop very, very dangerous. Mobs are bad.

Mob rule is bad. Finaticism of any kind is bad. Finatics are bad. Fans are bad. Fans are bad. Fans are bad. Fans are bad. Fans are bad. Like if you're like, if you're like, I have all the Star Wars stuff, like you're probably

saying you're kind of a bad person. No, what I love is Star Wars. You know what I buy, Star Wars merch. You know what I'm not? A fucking fanatic about Star Wars. I'm happy to see you with someone does with the property. We actually wrote this thing about Dean. That my opinion should be a lot.

About, right. It's just like, it's just like, you like Elon Musk. Like why do you like someone so much? Yeah, like I always thought this was by fanboys when at the end at end gadget in the verge. I was like, I don't fucking understand. Like why do you like Apple? Like you love Apple.

I like boards. So I look I like Apple. They make some cool shit. They make some shit that blows Microsoft same thing. They're just fucking companies. They're not a thing. But I love this guy But I felt this way. I felt this way too about politics pre-Trump,

which was like, I love Tillerie and could also say, like, there's some stuff you should change. You have to take a rational viewpoint of saying, like, I like Apple, I buy a lot of their products, the build quality is great. You need to be able to call out the stuff that isn't good or else they're not going to improve and the other competitors want to improve.

The whole thinking, the whole mentality is so, I mean, listen, I get it. It's identifying with a team. Yes, I get it. And if Elon Musk is your team, and you don't care about these type of boys, they're just a win for you. He didn't get them out. But it's just at the end of the day, they never cared about like kids trapped in a cave like in Asia. They cared about a win for their fucking guy. If he hadn't gotten involved in the story, they wouldn't have given a shit about some kids trapped in a cave. And I don't know if you saw how they got them out, but it's insane. Yeah, it isn't. They'd have given the kids like anxiety medication. It's fucked up. I mean,

the central here's one thing. I'm never going. Our kids are quarantined now. I'll never go into a cave. Never going to get into a cave. Don't go into a cave. I mean, caves are bad. You know what, you know what's bad? They were way outside. Never go outside. They were way in the cave too. They were really in the cave.

They were miles to the cave. And why were they in the cave? Don't go in a cave. Don't, don't let your child go with any man who will take them into a cave. To a cave. I don't care if they're a monk. Is he a monk?

He was a monk. All I'm saying is,, they're like, we're going two miles into a cave. I'd be like, I don't know about that one. My kids 12. I'm gonna take a pass in that fucking. I'm not saying anything. Nefarious is going. I'm just saying like, it's a bad place to go. Anyway, another news story. I'm gonna hit you with another hot news story. Yes. Papa John's. Oh, yeah. They're, they're looking for a new Papa John. Well, he did a racial slur? He said the N word on a company phone call. Why?

Why? Said he was on a call of marketing agency laundry service when he tried to downplay comments he made about the national football league last fall by saying, Colonel Sanders called blacks and then he used the N word, but didn't say the N word. And never faced any public backlash at KFC. It's like he was using it to describe something. But here's the thing. No, no, no, no, no, no.

No, he was using it to defend his comments about the NFL. And it's like, like you're justifying your actions with that? Exactly. You're like, why are we getting blowback for this? They didn't get it for that. And it's like, but you're also in the process of it using the word.

And this was after years of him being told that like his hiring and his insurance practices were keeping down his minority workers from being able to either unionize, from having benefits, and that it was in proportionately impacting the people he was hiring. Yeah. So I thought when you were like, I thought when you were talking about it, which I

because I had read the story that you were saying, like he was saying to his staff, like, look, there are words that we should never use here, something like that. No, he was saying. And he's like, this word and maybe in that moment, he's like, I need to say the words they understand exactly. No. Or something like that where I can imagine in the heat of the, like, if you're having your rep, reprimanding employees or something. No, no, no, I meant like on a comedy call, he's talking. No, no, this is obviously, I mean, by the way, it's not justified to say it there,

but I can somehow, I can see, by the way, again, I'm not defending this guy, it's a piece of shit, but I can see how you might have that momentary like, oh, fuck, I used, I should have used this, but I use that because I was like, you know, reprimanding them for this line of wood. That's how it happened.

That rolled off his tongue in any scenario. But this guy's definitely, I'm sure, he's a huge racist. There's no question. I could be high drunk in a conversation about the N-word, nine levels deep in life, up for two days, and still never actually say the word unless someone asked me to, and that person was a black person asking me to do this first, specifically. I just had just a lot of words that, like, you could say, but they're really easy to not say, and, like, that one is at the top of the list.

Top of the list, you know? But it would never roll off my tongue to use a word like that. So I think that's just qualifying for his job. And I think a lot of the conversation was like, even if he is a racist, it doesn't mean he's bad at his job. I actually think, I actually think, I actually think being a racist makes you bad at your job.

I actually think beyond the use of the word, but I can't really for spending this much time about Papa John's, but beyond the use of the word, it's actually the context of me that's more striking, which is like, he's like, well, all these other horrible races said racist things, and why do they, why do they, why are we getting blowback?

And they didn't, it's like, that to me makes him less qualified for the job than actually using the word, which is like, you're trying to like, you're like, you don't understand why people would be, you be getting blowback for like talking about the NFL. I think it was the kneeling stuff, right? Yeah. And you're using like some insanely racist stuff to defend it basically. That's a weird way to think if you're the CEO of a very successful American company.

I mean, he's been an asshole for a long time. Our next topic and our final topic today before we get to our interview with the wonderful Jeremy Gordon is Apple has released a new MacBook Pro's with slightly changed keyboards, which your company may be pretty responsible for. I mean, Casey Johnson has waged a one woman war. Casey Johnson, dead lifter and icon of feminism. Casey waged a, you know, one woman wore against. Swole his health. Yes.

Well, she got swollen and then when it came out swinging. No, look, she had a broken MacBook keyboard. She wrote a piece for us before she was the future out of there here and has continued the fight against like a very faulty mechanism. It's really, it's really funny about this. So bunch of, a bunch of fluff pieces, puff pieces about it today. I don't know, puff pieces. They were like, Apple says it's not about fixing the broken keyboards they wanted to make them quieter.

And it's like number one, those keyboards are fucking loud as shit. I will, I will say, I have, the people here have them, I'm like, why are you so mad? They're like, I'm not mad, I'm just typing. I'm like, oh, it sounds like you know what's to be a typing mad? No, it's fear.

It's a shame. You know, like, so I just got an old, I was like man I need a new fucking computer and we had one of the original new Mac books laying around here I like I'll just take that doesn't have the touch bar I mean it you could have had the touch bar but we get like the lower end one um I can feel the keyboard breaking as I'm typing on I can actually feel because I know what keyboards are supposed to feel like as you know, a keyboard expert. It's like when you use a shitty second string, a console controller. Like you get the knockoff guess too. You can feel the keys getting softer and less clicky. Yeah, I actually think in this case, what I'm feeling is I'm getting, they're getting

a certain, like, a catch in a certain way. Yeah. At any rate, but it's also, it is very noisy, But I love the fact that everybody who wrote it up was like, Apple says it's not about fixing the broken keyboards. It's like, well, but what do you think it's not about fixing the key? It's weird that they would do this one change. They didn't change the body type.

After introducing a program to repair their keyboard. They only changed, they only changed internals. But weirdly, this one physical thing was changed. Hmm. They added a new mechanism for the keyboard. That's sure there's nothing there. And listen, I am an Apple person since I was like 13. I'm gonna buy a Surface Go.

That little Surface is cool, man. It's cool shit. That's the future. That's the future. That is the iPad I want. I know I'm gonna buy one. That's the fucking form factor. It's an actual computer.

I don't even like Windows I'm gonna buy one. But here's the thing, I like Windows. It's so weird, but I think it's fine. My problem, here's my number one problem. If I could run, I'm actually gonna look into doing this. I wanna figure out if there's a way to make my service into a hack and touch to dual boot it and have it be Windows and then.

Well, I built that gaming PC that we had so much problems with and I would like if you know how to do hack and touch. Yeah, there's guys for it. You can do it. But you need to start into the hardware. If you don't have, it's very hard for sure. I mean, it's an Intel processor.

Yeah, that's fine, but there's a lot of other stuff. Believe me, it's not simple. But my, but I was like, my problem is like, I occasionally, like, what I mean mainly, most of my stuff is like Gmail or it's like, it's like when you have to use our CMS in our CMS. No, Photoshop's fine on that. It's totally fine. I photoshopped my Windows computer,

works just the same. I know, but like, the problem is, the problem is keynote. We do a lot of keynotes here. Air drop is a, my new feature, I message is fucking, I don't use on me.

I just cause I have an Android. I love my message. It's hot as shit I don't use honest stuff. I mean, I just have an Android phone. How does shit? I like to force touch and hit like, and then not have to respond to a text message. We let Apple hijack our phone numbers, and now you're trapped in their ecosystem. I hate them, but I love it.

They literally hijacked phone numbers. I know, I know. They trapped you in their fucking ecosystem. They trapped everybody else you know in their ecosystem. It's BBM, except like it's obviously way better, but it's crazy that it just happened. It's fucked up. I mean, it's wrong that it happened the way it happened.

Well, I'll say this. Let's end on this and then we should wrap and get to Jeremy. I'll say this. These, the listeners to this podcast, very often send me a DM or you a tweet talking about how they want you to be more techy. Oh'll say this. These, the listeners to this podcast, very often send me a DM or you a tweet talking about how they want you to be more techy. Oh my god. And I'll say this. You got it today. But also I was building this laptop. I was building this gaming PC in the office and you had back to back meetings of which we had to cancel a podcast

taping. True. And you had to go to a very important meeting and everyone wanted you to be in it. And you spent a solid half hour with me plugging and unplugging wires to get this gaming PC to work. And I will say the nerd Josh Topolski is there. He's been there all along. Inside, I'm always looking for a PC to build. You were popping things out of PCIe slots. My greatest dream.

Swap in some wires. I told you, power supply. Did I not give you the solution to your problem? You did. Yeah, that's right. He had a bad, he had a fault. I had a bad video card. I said, get all these video cards out here and test it without the video card.

And you were like, pop this one and see if it works. Pop that one and see if it works. This guy had a reason. You were resetting my RAM. No offense, but this new, but hadn't even I was in his RAM properly. It was an embarrassment. I was scared I was gonna break the motherboard. Of course you're always worried when you feel the tension on the motherboard is getting

cracked. I got to use too much thermal gel. You were like, that's bullshit. You're an idiot. Oh, no, I didn't say that, but everybody's always like don't touch the connector blah blah blah. Every time I've just said it's fine. I've touched every connector every PC ever builds. I want to say is that the Josh is that the Josh who started the verge is still in there. And you can get him back out here. I'm ready to go. By simply saying, this doesn't work. Maybe only you have this solution. I'm going to do a pop up shop where I just build PCs or people or troubleshoot or just

let people come in with their tech and you shit talk it. I'm like, you're using that camera. That's the reboot of the verge cast everyone really wants. let people come in with their tech and you shit talk it. I'm like, you're using that camera. That's the reboot of the verge cast everyone really wants. Listen, here's the thing, like to me, gadgetry and computers and phones are like, what's the best way to describe this? They're like, you know, it's like,

no, like what's a weird habit like that you do when you're a kid that you use inappropriate to do as an adult. Tolering? No, like, like those. I can't think of the right thing. No, like those are fine. No, there's like, it's like, they're one of those things where it's like, I love it.

Everything you did as a kid is now allowed to be do as an adult because of other things. No, it's like a guilty pleasure for me now. Like, I think of it like self-improvement. I love to look at people who do diet stuff have the same attitude about their diet and their exercise that people who do tech stuff. It's very enjoyable.

I want to be the best. It's very enjoyable to spend time. Like no one ever fucking around that stuff. Like one of my favorite things to do in life is to set up a new phone. Oh yeah. Just to get a new phone and just like get all my accounts set up and you know.

And then like a game console to like installing every patch. I should do that. It's like it's like, you know, what the most depressing thing is always like, like, oh, no, I just got to use it. It's just a phone. It's just a phone. I'm not going to get any joy out of this. Like, I'll tinker with it for like two hours. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, it's just a phone. I put my VPN on it Like you want it to be something special like I got this laptop I got this laptop you know and I set it up and I was getting installing all my apps and now it's like yeah

You're really excited about it. I was like yeah, it's just like hmm. It's just a laptop Just does the same thing that I'm touring on it and that's that just does the same thing that all the other laptops do I haven't felt truly like I'll say the one gadget that really made me feel that. Yeah, just does the same thing that all the other laptops do. I haven't felt truly like, I'll say the one gadget that really made me feel something. Yeah. And you're gonna not gonna agree. Switch. I love my PS4 Pro.

I do. Oh, you got the Pro. No, no don't play it. I don't ever play. It is so good. It's so weird. I just like it. I just, I just, okay, here's what I keep the switch next to my bed on my nightstand. Every almost every night, I pick it up. Like I'm going to play a game. I look at what's new in the store. Octopath Traveler, which I can't afford, but I really want. Every once in a while, I'll download something. I downloaded Super Mario Odyssey, Zelda and I were gonna play it together. Oh my God, what a joy.

I haven't opened it yet. I haven't played with her. I haven't played with her. She lost interest and I did too, but I love the Switch. The Switch. I love the concept of the Switch. It's just so odd. It's just such a weird little bit.

I know that's why I love it. And the thing is, true innovation, truly new, cool, like AR kit is the closest thing that has come to like a new, imaginative thing that could be something. VR was sort of that and it didn't work. The switch to me genuinely, I'm like, I could play Lumains in my bed,

which is I could do that on my PSP, but somehow it seems different and cool. I just love my switch. Let me, before we get to Jeremy Hardon, I have to tell the story that's been driving me fucking crazy. I, a couple of weeks ago, I got the notion that I wanted to play a Mass Effect game. Do you ever play the Mass Effect game?

Yeah, of course. Okay, so they made a game in 2017, he called Mass Effect Andromeda. And it was reviewed, it had mixed reviews. But it was on sale at Target for 20 bucks. And it was just sitting there, I'm like, I'm gonna buy it for the Xbox One. I'm like, that's what I bought it for.

I'm like, I'm gonna just get it and play it. I started playing it. There is a bug in the game. I do not know what to do. There was a bug. Wait, you told me that. No, I don't think I did. There's a bug in the game. I do not, I do not know what to do. There is a, oh wait, you told me that there is a, no, I don't think I did. There's a bug in the game where it's literally the first planet, the first mission, the first five minutes of the game. You get to a place where there's supposed to be a cutscene. There's a, the way, the waypoint is marked, you go to it and then it doesn't trigger the cutscene. marked, you go to it.

And then it doesn't trigger the cutscene. Yeah, you told me that. Did I? Yeah. And it, and it, and you just, And I talked to you about massive, and you just stand there. I was like, for the first hour,

I was literally like, I'm like, where's the fucking, how do I get to this waypoint? Like I'm standing there, but it says I'm three meters away. And no matter where I move, I'm like three or four or two, whatever, but I says I'm three meters away. No matter where I move, like three or four or two, whatever, but I can't get to the thing. It just won't, I started a new game. I think I'm gonna have to uninstall it.

Yeah, no. Reinstall it. And what I told you to this was I had the same problem, but that it was built into the game, which is I started playing Skyrim, which I'd never played before. And I went in the wrong direction originally. Like I just like took a turn instead of following a path.

Yeah. And it sets you on took a turn instead of following a path. Yeah. And it sets you on a path where instead of the game being like easy level, you go right into hard, but I didn't know. And I got so mad and frustrated. And I, and so I have Skyrim, I have three versions of Skyrim that I've purchased and I've never gotten passed. Like I've developed. You know what I said, I wanted to have an outer space

adventure so badly. I was so excited. I was like, oh yeah, Mass Effect. I'm like, I'm sure this has, it's like, it's got some, you know, dense and things. It's not perfect. Yeah.

This is the most insane bug I've ever seen in a video game. And if you, if anybody, listening has ever, has can tell me the solution to this problem. I beg of you, I just want to play a little mass effect and drama on my Xbox one, but this fucking bug is insane. You know, I'm going to be able to tweet about it. Cause I just feel like I need answers. It's insane. It's me. I'm

later on my expect. It's for ever to install. It took like an hour to install. I was like, okay, I'll we're going to wait. I've spent several nights trying to figure out how to fix the bug. I don't, I don't want to live like this. I just want to play Mass Effect. Is that too much to ask? And on that note? Yeah. Okay, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be back with Jeremy Gordon, who's a genius,

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Okay, we're here with the outlines culture editor Jeremy Gordon. Also, you may know him from the Out West podcast where he was the number one biggest fan of the show and always the most engaged and excited about Westworld. It's my favorite show. Yes, there he is. That's what his voice sounds like. I think it was that you're redder voice. No, it's not. What's your redder voice?

It's like this. Little deeper. You look, I'm a redder, depending on your redder voices. Are you active on reddit? I lurk. I use the pro wrestling reddit. Shout out to my homies at the squared circle. Yeah, you're you're what does that mean?

The squared circle. It's the shape of the ring. It's a circle, but it's a square. But it's like, it is a square though. Do you like glow? Yeah, I don't like it. You don't like it? No, it's okay.

He only likes men wrestling. I can't. No, I think sexism is fine. I think glow is just like a little too melodramatic. Man, I don't know, the second season is great. It's very dramatic. It's really. You don't like second season?

No, I loved the second season is great. It's very dramatic. It's really. You don't like second season? No, I love the second season. I like glow. I think glow leads into the like. You do what? The fun like, campness and it's dramatized. It's like a loves camp. You're obsessed with camp. Yeah, anything that gets close to drag,

it's great on my, in my book. All right, let's get back to speaking of drag. Let's talk about wrestling a little bit. Yeah. So, hey, you're great on my book. Alright, let's get back to speaking of drag. Let's talk about wrestling a little bit. Yeah. So, hey, you're a big wrestling fan. I love wrestling. There's a wrestling, there's a new wrestling story or pitch in the, always in the mix at the outline.

I never thought we'd do so much wrestling content. We've done a surprising amount of wrestling content. We did, you did a card story about a luchador wearing a suit. Yes. Which was a, it's a fashion look that you are a fan of. Yes, a huge fan. So Jeremy Gordon is not just an editor,

he's also a wrestling fanatic. I wouldn't say fanatic. Have your participation. I appreciate your respect to the lot. And at its best, it does. A great pro wrestling match does. Some things that you cannot find in other art forms. That's what I mean. All our forms are beautiful.

Like what? Like in, uh, we want to figure out a phrase in my, uh, stoner observation. All art forms are beautiful. So obviously every, every medium has a, uh, a characteristic to it that is like, you know, it's inherent to that medium. I mean, like, you know, you don't get, there are things you get in music that you can't

get in movies and things, things you can get in film that you can't get in comics and so forth and so forth. And so with a wrestling, I think because it's slightly undercovered, that aspect gets kind of under, you know, when people don't really appreciate it that much. Yeah. Uh, yeah. The quality in wrestling is when you are, when a performer manages to get a ground swell of fans and support behind them, and they really want him or her to win. And then after years, after months or whatever, after chasing this thing, they put on this

incredible display of athleticism. I mean, you're just begging, you're hoping. Even though you know it's scripted, you're just hoping that it's going. He's actually going to do it. And then when it actually happens, it's like amazing, really. If I can the last couple of years, there's actually going to do it. And then when it actually happens, it's like amazing, really. If I can the last couple of years, there's been a storyline in the Japanese promotion

where this one wrestler has been chasing the title and putting on some of the greatest matches of all time with his opponent and when he finally did it, it was just like sports. It is just like sports, except the outcomes are predetermined. Yes, but also, but you think. What are you doing with your mic?

Did you make a lot of noise that might? Oh, okay. Well, you think to yourself are you doing with your mic? Did you make a lot of noise that might? Okay, well, you think, you think to yourself, there's no way this is gonna happen, but then it actually did happen. I like love any under-appreciated form of storytelling, because everything is... Think wrestling's under-appreciated. Yeah, I think, well, I think it's at least,

at least look down upon. And I think like... So, look down upon. I think everything's a soap opera or like a story at the end of the day. And it's similar to one of the real houses is talking, they said, like, do you think, is it real?

And she said, it's like pro wrestling. Like, we know where we're gonna be, we know we have to fight, we know like the, the bruises are real, but we're telling the story and we're characters and we're getting dressed up for this. And essentially it's not that different than a movie. It's just that people like look down on that. The way that I analogize it is like you're watching two people choreograph

a fight scene in real time with no cuts or edits. Yeah. So cool. That's a good way to describe it. Yeah. And it's like if we like if we fuck up, like we just fuck up, like we there's no stopping. We have to like learn and adjust it. Right. But if we hit all of our beats and the timing and the pacing, the facial expressions and the moves and the pacing, the facial expressions, and the moves, and the callbacks to previous matches, and all these wonderful elements that can really just accentuate and make you go like, oh my god, that's the shit. So the downside is that it requires a lot of investment because you know by the time

that I was, these matches that I just referred to this point, I've been watching these guys wrestle each other for, I guess over like five matches over a couple years, but as opposed to if I had just come in blind, like I probably would have enjoyed it, but guess over like five matches over a couple years, but as opposed to if I had just come in blind, like I probably would have enjoyed it, but not as like recognized as much, because you're just watching like, oh, like it's so, it's like incredibly cool. And you're like, oh, like in the previous match,

they did this one thing, but on the latest one, like they've adapted, so now they like do this other, like this, this Connor to the Connor, and it's like all very like basically elemental, because wrestling is like very simple, and it's like, but it's also very easy to fuck up and make boring and just uninteresting.

But when it's done, right, I mean, it's just basic as like two people fighting for something, who has a different perspective. That's why it's like drag. It's like these huge characters, and then you get to build in jokes, and references to references in the relationships build, and then they have this lip sync off,

where you're like, oh, they're referencing something she did before and then to reveal and it's so cool. So, okay, so tell me, there's WWE is the biggest American. Yes, right? And basically, the biggest in the world. Okay, so when we talk about wrestling, are we talking, are we, when you talk about wrestling, are you mainly talking about WWE is that your first,

is that your, that's the, So there's two styles, I guess like, I mean, there's a When you talk about wrestling, are you mainly talking about WWEs at your first? Is that your, that's the, so there's two styles. I guess like, I mean, there's a bunch of styles of wrestling, but I guess like the ones that most people, you know, there's like Lutra Libre, which is like the Mexican wrestling, which is very like fast paced and way more acrobatic and way more colorful, like you know,

their characters are like, I'm the, I'm the reborn spirit of like a literal dragon from the 20th, like the 18th century, whatever, crazy shit like that. Love it. But I guess like the more casual, the more casual style that people refer to as an alternate to WWE is like it's by this company in Japan called New Japan Pro Wrestling, which is more harder hitting.

It's a style they call it strong style, which refers to the fact that it's full contact. Okay. You know, sometimes it really just blasting each other in the chest and obviously not dropping them on their head, but there's an aspect to it that has the machismo. Machismo machismo. Machismo, yeah.

Machismo that's like, I'm gonna hit you, even though it's like choreographed. And this is a philosophy not shared by everyone, like most notably, there's a wrestler named Brad Hart from the 90s It was very successful in North America and is very respected in general and his perspective on it He said somebody is like now I always consider myself to be an actor and like the idea of like actually hitting each other Just seems stupid because it's like we're just being paid. We're not being paid to actually hurt each other Even though like even wrestling safe a quote unquote, safe style can also be very dangerous.

Cause again, like you get a you slip and you just, you know, you got her. I mean, there was a there was an incident last week at a New Japan show where one wrestler was cradled in properly and he landed on his head directly in the footage is like fucked up. Oh my god, they finished the match. And then like afterwards, it was rumored that he had

like broken his neck and just finished it with adrenaline and like, I don't think he... We still don't know if he broke his neck. He was good enough to fly back to Japan, so I don't think he broke his neck, but he pretty severely bruised it in some capacity because the company and the other wrestlers were sort of acknowledging it, like, you know, wishing better, because like, but there is a part of the slip, like sweaty, they rest as long as a mash and you just like, spike the sand. So let me, let me ask you a few more questions here. So I'm looking, I'm perusing New Japan Pro Wrestling photos.

And I guess some of these hits do look pretty brutal. But here's my question. I actually, cause I know, I mean, I watched WWF when I was a kid because that's what it was called. And I was like, in the era of Hulk Hogan and fucking Routy-Routy Piper, and I guess that would be the considered the kind of golden age for, or the birth

of the really, truly popular, like, national phenomenon. So this is actually a myth that is disseminated widely by the WWF. Watch this video. I just showed you by the way. You just name me a video? It was just the hit. I don't know if I'm gonna watch it.

No, this is from a few years. I don't watch murder videos. Hold on, I gotta find it. It's not film. I just- I don't watch. I don't watch not films. Well, there's two headbutts in this.

Is that- Is that a real headbutt? Oh, yeah. I mean, this there's two headbutts in this. Is that, is that a real headbutt? Oh, yeah. I mean, this is actually a headbutt that ended. The guy who's doing the headbutt, his career ended after this match, because he suffered a massive hematoma. Oh my god. Yeah, so, oh my god.

This is actually, like, just, I mean, don't do this. And like, but like, he was so intense. No, I can't. His belief in like that I have to do this is real as possible. Oh my God. I'm just going to fucking headbutt. You can do a fake headbutt by like, oh, I actually headbutted your shoulder or I pulled back a little.

But like, this was just like fall back. I just chunked you in the head. And after the match, he collapsed. And he had to be in his dreams. Well, there's another one. There's a third one. This is a storyline on this season of Glow, which was about like taking it too far.

It's about like, I see like this wrestler, his characters that he's like former MMA fighter and he's just like a badass. He just like hits, just like knocks the shit out of you. So that was his deal. So, so your saying is a myth that the the the Yalko again, Rady Rady Piper, so yeah, or whatever.

Wrestling was very, wrestling historically has been incredibly popular throughout the not just the United States but the world, but specifically in the United States, like yeah, these independent, more like territorial, to give a quick recap, pro wrestling up until the early 80s used to be a territorial system where every single region

had its own like promotion and its own set of stars. So there was a promotion in the Carolina, there was a promotion in California and Chicago in St. Louis and you had wrestlers that would be shared between the companies and would travel. The idea of a quote unquote world champion is someone who had the belt but then his career was made. He was being loaned out to territories all across the country to lend it more hype. And like, oh, Rick Flair is coming to town.

He's a wrestler here all the time, but he's coming once a year to fight our local hero. And then in the early 80s, Vince McMahon, the owner of WWEF, his genius idea was to take advantage of a burgeoning cable system, which was to say, tell all these companies, like all these cable companies, hey, we'll have one wrestling product

and we'll just put it on your cable. And like, instead of having all these companies, like all these cable companies, hey, we'll have one wrestling product and we'll just put it on your cable. And like, instead of having all these different shows in this different areas, like, we'll have a standard product across the country. And like, basically bought out, like a mix of like dirty business and just shrewd business, like either bought out or forced out the other companies and just like essentially star monopoly.

But wrestling is very popular in some of the territories, like you know, someone like Rick Flair or someone like, I mean, Holkogon was a huge star before WWF. Yeah, it like didn't Minnesota. Like my father, when we started watching WWF, I remember I fathered a about Bruno Semartino, who was like, he was from Pittsburgh, he's Italian.

I was like, yeah. Oh really? Yeah. And he was like, my dad was like, yeah, I was a fan, you know, I used to watch him wrestle in like the 60s or 70s or whatever. And like I had no awareness that this existed, that it existed. I mean, I think that it Bruno huge star. I mean, he sold out a mass and square garden dozens of times

and he was a huge regional hero in like the Northeast. And yeah, big deal. Yeah. So my dad like was aware of it, but I didn't have any real reference points in like prior, this was like, obviously prior to the internet when we were talking about it, because I was a little kid. But it's, but WWF, that moment in the 80s,

certainly like was a catalyst for a different kind of fandom around wrestling. It was like superheroes when I was growing up. Like I remember collecting all the action figures and then like we would at recess or whatever, like put our own little wrestling matches together with action figures. And you'd like come up with storyline and then you'd watch that night and the next day you'd be like, this happened.

And it was like a sort of, it was a fandom sort of like Marvel or whatever is now. But it was that the time it was like the biggest expression of that. You know, by the way, Bruno San Martino died this year in Pittsburgh, multiple organ failure due to hard issues, very sad. But he was 82. So he was old, he had a crazy life. He made it. He made it pretty far.

He had a really crazy life. But so your big wrestling fan, that's one aspect of your personality, that's only one, many aspects. But do you wrestling is a thing that you seem to know quite a bit about? Have you ever wrestled? Oh, no, I'm a frail, limp boy.

Soft boy. Would you ever consider wrestling? Would you even try it? No, I think I would just get tired out and like, I'd be really sad about that. You was just from exhaustion? I just passed out, Wait a second, fellas. Would you bounce around a ring at least?

My dream is to pull myself back the bungee cord thing and throw myself across the street. Does anyone work? Actually, they're faking that. It's a timing thing. It's a rope. It's not like a tired rope, but there's a way. The bounce, there's a little giv.

And if you test it out and you're there, and you're there, and you're there. Yeah, it's not as simple as like, like, you will just hit it and fall. Right. That's what I feel like it looks like. It's actually probably really hard. And they're like, I mean, they have a, at any rate, okay. So, so do a fair wrestler? Um, a fair wrestler. That's a great question. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I'm a, and it actually interviewer. Yeah. I guess, you know, it's, something that I watch like every single week or every single day, like at this point, I think it was a period when I got back into it where I was following

a little bit more actively, but WWE product is pretty terrible, actually. Really? Oh, it's awful. Why is it bad? It's just the storylines are really bad. The matches are laid out much worse and like just generally not as exciting. And then when I got into New Japan, I was like, wow, this is just so much more superior to all the things that I care about that I just can't respect this like American product

is much anymore, even though it is good from here and there. But the flip side is that New Japan is like, it runs on this like, you know, because it's Japan, I can never catch it live. And I think it's just never, it's not ideal for me. So you end up getting spoilers? No, it's more like I just end up don't even, I don't even follow up with it in real time. Oh, because you've done it down. Yeah, because I'm just like, I don't want to like,

I'm just going to have to do it. And that energy of watching them in live is so different. Okay, here's a question. So I remember in the 90s, a friend of mine had a video tape, he was like, this is like crazy Japanese wrestling and we watched it. He was really interesting and it was like, fucking crazy shit. Like people are like, there was like broken glass.

And like, pins and like nails. Yeah, that's not new Japan, right? And that's the same. That was at sushi onido in a company called FMW, which stands for, it's now to Fongt, but Frontier Marshall Arts Wrestling, but they... Yeah, like, it was fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah.

The whole thing was like, it was like a bootleg tape and it was one of those things like, you know, because this is like back in the day, this is in the age of VHS. The low level was barbed wire. Yes, yes, it was like really fucked up. Like people were getting legitimately injured, but they were like, but they were pretty big matches.

Oh yeah, they were those are huge at the time. There's a wrestler named McFully, who's a, was also known as mankind. Oh yeah, yeah. And he got one of his, when he wrestled in Japan a little bit and he was famous for doing these death matches Because they were just fucking crazy. I mean, it's just oh, oh my god. I just watch it. Oh my god. It's just fucking like nuts Oh my god, they're so crazy. This is the as sushi on the universe's terry fun exploding no rope barbed wire exploding ring time bomb

Deathmatch, so it's like we have a countdown until like, first of all, there's no ropes. It's just barbed wire. And then we have a countdown until the end and then until the match is over. And then when that went and literally when it counts down to zero, like fucking trash cans around the ring explode. Oh my God. It's like nuts. It's just no rhyme or reason. It's so wild. This is crazy. These are like people who have nothing left. They're like, I've got, I just, I got an aggressive, this is like a wrestler situation. This is wild. Oh yeah. No, they get fucked up. They're like bleeding and shit. I mean,

they get like legit. Oh my god. The guy in this, I worried I'd do in karaoke because up there on my voice. They're, and they're actually hitting each other right. They're throwing themselves against barbed wire. It depends. I mean, you know, that's a fake head. You know, there's a difference between like, I mean, there's wrestlers with high paint tolerance. It's pretty crazy. It's like, you know, you're going to get thumbtacks in you, but it's a difference between like, am I going to get thumbtacks and pin it in me or someone like push them and like scrape them my body because that would be like something. But it's like people who can just somehow deal with, uh, sorry. But it's like, I'm watching this video while you're talking and it's like really insane. I mean, it's truly outrageous. It's like a limited, Olympic, Olympic gymnastics

so where it's like you could break your neck really, but it is a perform like you are really taking your life in your hands when you're doing some of those like aerial. That's guys really getting the shit kicked out of them here at any rate. So, okay. So Chris Jericho wrestled for New Japan? Yes, this year it was very surprising. Yeah, has there been... Chris Jericho is a WWE person, right? He still is. Chris Jericho has the sort of genius because he's so popular and kind of creative with his own contract. Because basically he asked, even though he's not full-time WWE anymore, and could theoretically do whatever he wants in order to maintain his relationship with his longtime employer, he basically asked

them for them. Then, he asked them for permission to do like 102 matches in Japan, and he got it. Did people lose their shit? When he first showed up, it was a surprise. Oh, yeah, because he was wrestling. He first showed up to challenge the swan guy named Canadian wrestler named Kenny Omega who is Kenny Omega, that's right. He's both a gamer, but he's also the most like probably the most exciting wrestler in the world He's the guy who I referred to earlier about winning the title and he's just so good

Okay, let me describe to a person who's listening. I'm gonna describe Kenny Omega He's rules, okay, it's funny because he actually, you said he's Canadian, right? He's Canadian, he's from Wichug. So there is a Canadian artist named Tiga, T-I-G-A, who did a cover of the Corey Hart song, Sunglasses at night. Does anybody know who this person is? I believe it's T-I-G-A.

I'm looking at pictures, but I don't know. He basically looks like if this guy got, hold on, where are the pictures of him? He's blonde now. I sent you a photo in his current look. Well, his old look from the Electric Clash era, which is like this. Yeah, I think this is the cover.

Yeah. It's very cobra starch. This guy, Kenny Omega looks like if Tiga got really ripped and got a perm from his electric life. He's even wearing like kind of electric flash outfits like a leather jacket with no shirt. I mean, he's kind of like, oh, he's a gamer.

Is that what you said? Yeah. This guy's hilarious. He's not even that ripped actually. He has the worst, I would say he's some of the worst hair I've ever seen in my entire life. I do not, Kenny, if you're listening to this, I disagree with Josh. I would say Kenny Omega has some of the worst. That's a great look.

Okay, you know that, are you familiar with the artist Mickey Echo? He's one of my favorite artists. Oh god. Oh really? Have you ever heard the Rihanna song Stay? Oh yeah, yeah. Okay, you know, she duets with somebody in that song. His name is Mickey Echo.

Mickey Echo has a now-rage is perm also. Mickey Echo, we talk about every week on this. Mickey Echo is my 100% medically accurate for singers. Him and who's the other singer? There's another one that's like Mickey Echo that I could never remember. You know, Mickey Echo is like, where did he come from? How did he end up in a reanna song?

No one knows. Then we can answer this question. It doesn't as it's how it works. At any rate. At any rate. So Kenny Omega is from Canada. Winnipeg Canada. He has the hair of...

I mean, his hair's so bad. I've actually don't think I've ever seen anybody with hair this aggressively bad in my entire life. That comes together. Does it? Oh yeah. It's like a little bit of a, it's like a perm mallet. Yeah, but when you're in the ring, you want that like sweaty flipping around kind of like

able to like be reactionary to what you're doing here. He looks like a swamp creature, like a swamp man. His hair's so bad. I mean, I would. Which I would really. Yeah. He's not cute. I don't know.

He wants to wrestle. The he's both wrestled a nine year old girl in a blow up doll. He's great. Incredible. He's saying incredible. He wrestled a nine year old girl. He lost, right? I think it was a it was a draw.

Oh, so there's some there were some. This is like before he was as popular. I feel like it's like still an up-and-coming, but there's a lot of like old-school types who really disdain him for like violating the spirit of the business by wrestling. Yeah, I just showed you this. Kenny Omega, who is his credit?

So fun though. His credit, his touch is so light. And like he actually like, communicates the possibility of like, her hitting him, like the timing is so correct. By the way Kenny Omega and I am a share of birthday. Yeah, three days apart. Oh wow.

That's so good. We're watching Kenny Omega now wrestle a little girl. Go to the, go to the two, the two, 35 mark. Okay, hi. And wait, I love her. I stand here. Why is video so low quality? I stand this little girl.

I can't fucking believe this. She's a star. This is bullshit. I can't believe this. It's so good. This seems very wrong. Oh, they're like, you can't throw her out of the ring. He's trying to toss her out of the ring. They're raffes like, no, you can't throw her out of the ring. He's trying to toss her out of the ring.

They're raffes like, no, you can't do that. That's what's this show, huh? Oh! Oh! Wow. That's just genius acting. She is a... To sell the move.

Look at that, he looks devastated. Does she fucking well on him or what? I need to see her beat the shit out of Kenny Omega. I would watch this all day long. Oh, so good. This is what I send to people her beat the shit out of Kenya, Omega. I would watch this all day long. So good. This is what I send to people when I'm like, they're like wrestling isn't real. I actually, actually, this is real.

I would watch this has been more real than this. I would watch 16 hours straight. I love her. All right, you're winning me over here. I gotta tell you, who's this girl? I love her. Oh. Oh, I love this. Oh, oh I love this

The idea that this is and that's a young Carly Reed Jeff saying that you believe in anything close to a reality happening that is really I love it pretty funny Look, okay, you've sold me on wrestling. Mm-hmm. Where can I tune in to see Kenny Omega? So New Japan they have a streaming service called New Japan World. Oh, really? Do you remember? You got to pay for it. I spend, I don't sign up all year because they run a show about once a week, but I'm

just not always that interested in it. But I will be signing it up soon because they have a tournament going on this month called the G1 climax in which there are 20, it's a round robin tournament in which all their performers, all their best performers are split into two divisions. They all wrestle each other and at the end the wrestlers with the best records wrestle each other in the finals and then whoever wins the finals gets a title shot at the biggest show of the year which is every January. So it will disturb in the storyline who wrestles Kenny for the title in the Tokyo down January 4th 2019.

So wait wait so Chris Jericho. Chris Jericho is not in the gym. No no but Chris Jericho challenged Kenny Omega. Yes last year before Kenny had the title it was for a different title Chris Jericho challenged Kenny Omega. Yes, last year before Kenny had the title, it was for a different title, lesser title. And it was very good. And by the way, New Japan Tour Wrestling's website is, and this is correct, it's,

it's a J.P.W.1972.com. Just like, like you can't get. New Japan has kind of a bad interface. And in fact, if you want to sign up for the stream and service, you have to like click, like translate to English because it's like not perfectly. So they're really really not so it's really not it's popular in Japan But it's probably not that popular here. Actually, so he doesn't think it's a realistic popular It's way less popular in Japan than it was in its heyday during the 90s

But or like even back in like the 70s or 80s, but it's far more popular internationally than it ever has been because the wrestling Product is so good and specifically they branded themselves in the last three years as the direct counterpart. So like the WWE kind of like more phony gimmick style because WWE still puts on some really good matches, but like the success rate is far lower. And there's tons of garbage that just doesn't happen in New Japan. So they're like, they say, if you like wrestling or even like this style, like this is more appeal into you, this more like pure athletic competitive, like wins count, means something, losses mean something, like we don't do a bunch of bullshit gimmick finishes, because WWE just

has tons of terrible, terrible stories. Just finishes, demashes, that just bum you out. And Japan is like, we're gonna give you the good shit. Well, I gotta tell you, I don't know if you're getting kickback from this new Japan operation. I don't know if you've got some kind of affiliate situation happening with them, but you may have gotten them a new watcher to two new views. I'm all in. We should do new Japan wrestling watch parties. Do they people do those? Why don't we start doing those in New York? Why don't we do them? Let's find like a bar to do that. Let's

do that. Well, here's the thing. Outline presents. The trick is that the matches start in really early in New York time. I mean, the show will start at like, like, 4 a.m. Yeah, bro, you're done partying, start watching New Japan. Oh, we could do the Olympics thing

where we like do it the next day. Nobody's gonna be spoiled. I don't know. Okay, well that's a great. Okay, now really quickly, we gotta wrap up, but really quickly before we spoiled. I don't know. Okay. Well, that's a great. Okay. Now, really quickly, we got to wrap up. But really quickly before we do, I want to talk about Dune. Oh, yeah.

We published a piece this week about how Dune is the only good fan, fandom left alive, left online. And largely about David Lynch's Dune, which is, we got our asking, which David Lynch basically has disowned. And yet it's weirdly one of David Lynch's greatest achievements. I really do to see it. And apparently Jeremy has not seen the film. I have not seen the film nor has he read the book Dune by Frank Herbert. And Yadavris dune the ultimate you have to watch the documentary if you don't know anything about it's a really good documentary and i have a copy of dude at my mom's house that i've just have a boner for

over ten years i just haven't i picked it up once in high school or college and i was just like uh... i think it's a little much for me even if you don't get into the now i'm gonna get into it but even before you do the this doc is just all about like ambition and like the failure of creativity, and it might be fun for you to see it without even having reference. I mean, that's how I originally saw it before I got into June proper, and it was kind of a fun.

I mean, I haven't seen the documentary. I haven't. Oh, my God. It's so fascinating. I want to see it. It's about a man who isn't a fan of the original property, so he just keeps coming up with his own ideas. And the fun of when I saw it was that I didn't know

the original property, so I was fully sold on like his plan for the film. You know what's really insane is that his Frank Herbert son is like now writing Doon books, which is like, I don't know, pretty crazy idea. Doon the book is amazing, but I watched the movie several times before I ever read the book, and I don't know that it had an impact,

but I think that like the, you know, they made another- Honestly, nerds have terrible taste in film, and there's so many movies that have been like slammed as like, this is the shitty adaptation ever, but it's actually just second like creative. Like, you know, it's a great movie that people hate on because they're not clever, is George Cullini Batman,

Batman Robin, incredible camping movie. Oh my god. If you 100% agree 100% of great. So it's so much fun. Thank you. It's so good. It's the professional wrestling. The commenter is like honestly like give me that all day over like growlly Christian bail

like I just like I took the oath to wear the helmet. I'm not here for real criminal I'm like a bat and a bunch of people in the face Give me the shit we're bad Yeah, it's like I'm not credit card and like poison I like who went there been doing this horror like we're That movie is not good

Jeremy spitting fire takes Mr like There's only one good What killed a dinosaur Oh, my third best Batman villain There's only won good Batman film There's only one truly great Batman film Adam West Batman returns the second Tim Burton that's a good movie. It's the best Batman movie

Michelle Fyfer is truly I cried at the end of it When spoiler alert the penguin dies and is carried into the water by his emperor penguins. I mean, it's fine. By the way, that movie has a good bit of camp, but it's balanced with also being a good Batman movie. Where that man is not. I'm not saying it's a brilliant movie.

I'm just saying it's a lot of fun. It's good. It's a reputation is that it's like the worst movie, the insults of the character of, insults of the character of, the character of the spirit of Batman, whatever the fuck that is. Also, there's like an element of homophobia there where it's like, Batman is also like a gay icon. I think Joel Schumer is gay.

Yeah, and he basically is like said that he was making just like a porn parody. Yeah, basically, no, basically that he was like making like a campy movie, specifically very homo-erotic. Because everything about, to loop this back to wrestling a little bit, one of the great things about wrestling is that they very much embrace the kind of homo-erotic

undertone. So Kenny Omega, he's in a storyline where he had a year's long partnership with this other wrestler who was maybe his boyfriend. And they had a rivalry, but now they're like partners again. And like, their name is the Golden Lovers, and they never really kissed on screen. But they'll talk about it in like relationship. Because like, who do they actually date in real life? You just minted the biggest fan of this franchise ever.

I'm going home to like. Just Kenny Omega is he like, buy, is he out? Kenny is openly bisexual. Really? Yeah. Oh my god. I stan. That's exciting.

I'm going to draw this video. Oh shit. Can I just say one thing about Dune before we get to the show? Yeah. Anyway, why is Dune so pure? Well, it's fucking amazing. Dune's amazing. I mean, I can't, you can't,'t you just to see the film and read the book.

You don't have to read the book by the way. I don't even think those are that related. I think you can I think you can see the film. The the David Lynch is doing and enjoy it completely. Mm-hmm. And you're not you'll get more from reading the book, but oh my god, I'll say that. But the important thing about doing and I haven't not read it yet. I've read the first two doon books and I think I've read part of Children of June, which is the third most important thing about the June book series that there is a book I've mentioned this year the day that has in my opinion one of the greatest titles ever for a book, which is God Emperor of June. But I just, you know, which is because I feel like it's so unnest, one of those words is so unnecessary.

Like God Emperor of June. I mean, I get it. It's like, just be God. There's a great reference to that in a Marvel comic book where Dr. Doom becomes God and there's the comic begins by calling him God Emperor Doom. Oh, wow. Oh, boy, look at that. Okay. Um, let's see this.

Okay, what am I looking at? What did you send me? I sent you an 18-minute video recapping, narrating and recapping the entire saga of the Golden Lovers, which you should absolutely watch. Oh my god. I'm going to. Yeah, we have 18 minutes. All right. So good. Well, Jeremy, we didn't get to a lot of other topics, but we most importantly talked about your central passion in life, which is wrestling, which I can see now. You get to the other topics.

And Joel Schumacher. You have plenty of, we have our entire lives. I think the fans, the fans will appreciate my return. I think to discuss important things. I think exactly. Well, we can find out what happens to, boy, I have some interesting tabs open right now. Some really diverse shit. Anyhow, Jeremy, thank you for joining me on the podcast, joining us on the podcast. Of course. And thank you for bringing your deep knowledge of wrestling, I feel like, oh, this is the live,

I think this is the live streaming right here at 999 yen. Seems like a good deal. Yeah, it's like basically $10. $10. Yeah. So I'm going to watch. Oh, they got, oh, they got it on fire. You can get it for the fire. Amazon fire TV.

I don't have a fire. Do you have a spare fire? I do actually do. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. It'll dramatically influence my. You get new Japan. I do actually do. Yeah, I do. You do. I'll dramatically influence my disease. I get new Japan. I prime day coming up. I definitely have a

fire. I also have a roco stick. Do they have a roco? Oh, it doesn't matter. Jeremy, thank you so much. You're now free to go back to the creation of great stories on the internet. Thank you. Well, as I show for this week, we'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best, but I just heard that they went into a cave. Why would you let them go into a cave?

You idiot.