Tomorrow - 131: I'm the Cyber and That's the Punk

Episode Date: September 8, 2018

This week Josh and Ryan talk about Brett Kavanaugh, Nike, and the secret identity of Lodestar before having a small celebration about Twitter finally banning Alex Jones. Later, in anticipation of the much-hyped Cyberpunk 2077, they decide what is and isn't cyberpunk and Josh mentions seapunk to calm Ryan down about steampunk. Listen, we're all just a bunch of punks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow. I'm your host Josh Wittipolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss Billy Idol, Kamala Harris, and Tron. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. Well Ryan, it is a week. It's a week. It's a week. It's we're back. Things have happened. Trump is mad about. He's Trump anonymous letter. The anonymous letter was written. Kavanaugh is about to be confirmed. I think. I don't know. I don't want to talk about Kavanaugh. He's going to depress me too much. Well, we do have to talk about Cory Booker. Cory Booker. I haven't seen Hone before.

We do have a Cory Booker. I want to talk about Kamala Harris, who really, really gave this fucking Kavanaugh mother fucker the business in, during their back and forth. I mean, I have to say she asked him about whether or not he's met with any of Trump's lawyers to discuss Mueller. And Kavanaugh, like literally you could see like steam coming out of his collar or whatever. I mean, he was like, his answers were so insane and bad and like, made me so worried about the type of person who, I mean, I was already worried. I kept saying he looked like Mo on the Simpsons whenever he's under any pressure. He's like, boo, I was already well. He looked, I kept saying he looked like mo on the Simpsons whenever he's under any pressure. He's like, booh, I don't know, booh, booh, booh.

He was being like literally literally he was being cooked. Go, I guess she's like, did you meet with anybody from his, you know, his council? And he was like, what's a council? He's like, when you see meat, I see the good wife, I've met, I've met me, meet people, sometimes. I played Phoenix Ace Attorney.

Yeah, yeah, it's like, I don't, you know, there's a meeting and then there's a meeting, right? You're a lateral judge to be on the good way. I've met a man, meet people, man. Sometimes I play it Phoenix, he's the turning. Yeah, yeah, it's like, I don't, you know, there's a meeting, there's a meeting, right? You're a literal judge to be on the Supreme Court. You don't know who you spoke to at a law firm about the most important legal issue in the country. No, he's like, he's like, um, Casabets, uh, my, whatever the fucking thing is. It's like, like, he's like, recall,

he's like, literally the president. It sounds familiar. A lot. Perhaps I've heard of it. It's like, dude, like, my four Perhaps I've heard of it. It's like, dude, like my four year old is heard of it. Yeah, okay. He definitely heard of it. He's like, I can't say for sure.

Anyhow, so America's in crisis. Yeah. People are going crazy. I think this is a moment where never have so many people been so wrong about so many things. I think we're the entire country. Both sides of the aisle, everybody, us, me, you, we're the spinning rainbow wheel that pops up on a mat

when it's gonna die. Beach ball. Yeah, we're the beach ball. We're the beach ball. I mean, it's just an epic time in life when there are so many people who are so, so deranged on their views, so confused about what is actually going on

in the world, so misguided and ill informed. It's an epic time and I think like honestly, it's like I wrote about, you know, I've written about the internet and what's happening in social media and the way that those platforms are being manipulated. There is like this incredible amount of like group think and mob think and just sort of like scarily

like information light mentality that creates these kind of movements and these waves of, you know, just misinformation, I would say. And I think we're in the golden age of people who don't know what they're talking about authoritatively talking about issues that they don't know about with limited information from a place of passion. And that's on both sides of the aisle. And it is in theory.

Yeah, I mean, watching how events are covered, you really kind of see now how Trump's attacks on the media been effective because it's like, there's such a thirst, such a blind thirst. I mean, one of the reasons the outline exists is to just not play into the blind thirst of like, what's happening? How do we talk about how do we get on it?

How do we glam on it? How do we get SEO on it? And you know, just watching the way these things have been covered, the way people are talking about the way it's so forgettable, so instantly forgettable. And it's wild that the people who are the biggest, and we should talk about the Twitter story today in a moment, but the baby or the biggest, the biggest mastodon supporters, which like, I made an account, I'm pumping my tweets in, I think it's ethical, I wish that it takes off, I don't believe that it will. I'm not so known, the promise is it's like all separate instances, right?

It's like, yeah, but it's like email like that. But the people who are the biggest supporters of that, the biggest critics of Twitter, the biggest critics of BuzzFeed, the biggest critics of like the obsessive like clickbait culture, the people who can see that that is happening and think it's bad. Also we'll make hot takes with no information for the most like likes and retreats. It's the same crowd. Yeah. And it's so frustrating because it's like, listen, you know, it's hard to see how the

windows of a glass house. True. I don't even know what that means because the whole house is glass. The whole house doesn't have the good wind decks, which is the vinegar kind. Oh, is that a thing? Oh, yeah, the vinegar one decks vinegar, a wind decks. It works better and it's healthier and it's more expensive. Of course it is.

But that's the same thing with the media. You got to pay for the finer things in life. And anyway, so, so it's been a crazy week of news. I mean, there's so much stuff going on. There's, I mean, in New York Times published this like anonymous letter from somebody in the, who's been a crazy week of news. I mean, there's so much stuff going on. There's I mean in your attempt to publish this like anonymous letter from somebody in the who's like a senior White House official. It's like loads, it's pants. I think it's supposed to be pants is the current theory. I think also that they use the word load star. But also someone could have picked that word specifically because who do you think it is? What is the net staff of the White House? I don't mind. It's one maybe two for Ivanka the rest are

Possibilities it could be Jared like I genuinely think it could be anybody Jared sounds interesting It could be Jared it could I do actually think it could maybe be Pence, but that's not a theory. I'm want to entertain Well the person sucks. I mean they they're all, they all suck. I mean, it could be fucking Jeff Sessions. As awful as that is, it could be Jeff Sessions. It could be Jeff Sessions, but he's not really in the, I mean, he's in the DOJ, I mean. I, yes, but I just mean like, that White House official.

But I just mean like, name and name, and the plausibility is there because nobody is as fucking crazy as him, except maybe Sarah Huggabee Sanders. Do you think Melania wrote it? Melania responded to it. Did you see that? I don't know if she was like, she was like, actions have consequences and the person who this is will be found out or whatever like, wow, you're a bad German accent.

I'm not Laura Bonanti and I'm a scared gay joke. That makes all of us. That's one, thanks two of us. Anyhow, what else, what else happened? Twitter band out, Joe. Oh makes all of us. That's what next two of us. Um, anyhow, what else, what else happened? Uh, Twitter band out. Oh, Twitter band out. That's when I started drinking today. So like, I don't know. Listen, first off, Jack, I don't know what's going on with Jack's personal style. We need to talk. We need to have an interstage intervention. You need to get queer eye on that motherfucker. Well, don't bring that up. It's like to talk about a Zileia Banks. What are they, what? Huh?

A Zylia Banks did a very problematic thing with Jack Dorsey, who's not married and doesn't have kids. What did she do? She accused him of being secretly gay and covering that up and trying to hide that from his investors or whatever and like she must have heard that from Elon. I don't know that that's true. Like it's a really easy accusation to make.

It's homophobic to do. It's homophobic to do. Somebody. That's still secretly gay. All that stuff, but like, you know really easy accusation to make. It's homophobic to do. It's homophobic to do. It's homophobic to do. It's homophobic to do. It's homophobic to do. It's homophobic to do. It's homophobic to do. It's homophobic to do.

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Is he a bank? I think it was just being bored because she missed the attention, the Elon Musk. So where? She's the board at work now. No, she, she, is it's the, is it the bank's at New York Times fridge? She's at, yeah, she's to fridge, actually network. No, she is a Zileabank's at New York Times fridge. She's at, yeah, she's the fridge, actually.

People don't know that. She heard the fridge a lot in common. She wrote the app, God, that's such a obscure reference now. The fridge, that's from the internet of yesterday. I miss the age of Gawker creating insane memes that didn't meet any sense and were problematic in nonsense, but then it was a great way to have a secret language. The fridge was very rude about Leophanigin, one of our esteemed friends.

Really? Oh yeah, the fridge was like really awful and nasty to Leophenigin. Fuck the fridge. Wow, fuck the fridge. Fuck the fridge to hell. Okay, but here's the thing. Um, fuck that fridge. The Jack Dorsey thing, first off, don't care about his, don't care what he's into, not

an issue for me. The only issue for me is that I don't, this Alex Jones shit is nonsense. Jack rolls in there with that beard that fucking Anton Leve, looking fucking beard. Anton Leve. Yeah, like what are you going about to do a say on? So you about to have to do some black sex magic here. Like what's happened? You're going to raise the tweets. Like yeah, like what's happening? All the deleted tweets will raise from the dead. It's all the inside of his jacket. It's like covered in runes.

Anyhow, but it was even wearing a jacket. I don't know. I like Jack in the show far as he's like a character that exists. Same with the end on the live. Not a part of reality. Yeah. Jack's like a fun, like, oh, we're interesting punching bag.

I mean, I think like. Yeah, fire at Jack. Yeah, like, like at Jack as a great avatar for all of the funnel, all of our rage. But like, you know, just it's like weird to see him. Like obviously this was very planned. Oh, well, this all happened after this story came out that he personally stopped the entire staff from banning

the show. That shit fucked up his hell. And he was like, oh, well, a better brand name. We'd have crushed that story. If I was a board member, I would definitely be like, I was in an intern. I would definitely be like, Mr. Dorsey, we have a literal Nazi in the building.

I just feel like you just like, just have to go, we talked about this with Taylor Lorenz, but it's like you just have to look at it and go, hey, I don't even care about freedom of speech in this situation. No, this is my private personal platform. This guy's a fucking attacking the parents of dead kids. But even if you care about freedom of speech, you don't yell fire in a crowded theater. That is against the constitution and to go on on on Twitter and encourage pizza gators

to take guns to a pizza place. Yeah. Is a you cross the line. That's not freedom of speech. You don't have the freedom to use your violence, your voice for violence. The libs are coming for you, motherfucker. Voice Lens. The liberal elite.

The liberal Jewish media is gunning for you, Mike Cernivich. Happy New Year. Your rapin' ass is about to get knocked off the platform. Okay, he down, he raped anybody. I think it's an alleged rape alleged. We tend to forget, I think it was like a rape charge to get knocked down to assault. So we tend to forget, like just think of any person in your life he'd be comfortable with that had that happen. You're like, well, he didn't rape anybody.

He didn't rape anybody, he did sexually assault me or whatever, like, okay, let's make him a journalist. I'm going to Buzzfeed is like, we're using Cernivic as a source. It's like, we need to do with these people what we did with Michelle Malcon, which is nobody knows who that is anymore. Is Michelle Malcon? Exactly.

Nice. Ty, anyhow. I was looking up, I was the other day, this is so off topic, but I had, when I used to go to Raves, I bought this shirt at a thrift store in Pittsburgh, called Red, White and Blue, which is the best thrift stores in the

world. And by the way, kids, if you're out there buying like fast, fast from H&M and you're not rating thrift stores in your local area, you are getting played. But anybody who's at ASOS and not like anything. Yeah, you need to go to your local Goodwill and start diving. But anyhow, I got this shirt and it said, I was reminded of it because we were watching the Howard Stern movie, private parts, like for whatever reason, I was like, oh my god, I forgot. I saw that as a gift. Yeah, it was pretty interesting to watch. But anyhow, he was at DC 101, the radio station. And I was like, oh, yeah, I used to have this shirt, this DC 101 shirt. It had like a guy's name on a disc track. His name was, I used to have the shirt, this DC 101 shirt, it had like a guy's name on it,

a disc track, his name was, I think it was the grease man. And on the shirt, there was his catch phrase. And this is why I bought it. Total grease balls. It was like, no, it was like the grease man. Ooh, that's nice. It was like, you can quote, ooh, that's nice, was his, okay, so I was like, I never thought about it.

I like threw it out. I mean, I don't know, it was like, ooh, that's nice. Ooh was his, okay, so I was like, I never thought about it. I like threw it out. I mean, I don't know. I was like, who that's nice. You should take that. I'm thinking about it. So I never thought about it. Like for, I pray for 20 years, I think. Yeah.

The outline, it's not for everybody. Ooh, that's nice. Ooh, that's, ooh, that's, ooh, that's, ooh, oh, maybe it is that. Ooh, that's nice. Whatever. Yeah. Anyhow, so I was like, man, who the fuck was the grease man?

I was like, I gotta, I wanna find a picture of this shirt. So I started, the fuck was the grease man? I was like, I gotta find a picture of this shirt. So I started researching the grease man. The grease man is a total fucking racist who like said the most heinous shit that I've ever heard, like the most, and I remembered, I was like, oh yeah, I heard about this thing about this disc jockey and DC

said this crazy racist shit on the air. I'm like, I yeah, I heard about this thing about this disjocke and DC said this crazy racist shit on the air. I got fired, but I never knew, I was like, it's Wikipedia, I'm like, oh my God, this person was a complete piece of shit. Anyhow, then I went looking for the shirt again. Because then I was like, wait, did I imagine the shirt existed? It's so specific, but you couldn't really,

I couldn't really find like, ooh, that's nice. It was like, it sounded Google. We caught a stop saying it now that we know that it's like a dog whistle. Laura keeps going into random moments. Like, you know, we'll finish making love. And she's like, ooh, that's nice. I'm like, please tell, please don't do that.

You've ruined everything. No, but, um, we say naked wasted a lot, which is the thing on the real housewives where the housewives fed a woman drinks to try to get her to be nude and sexual at a party in front of people that would embarrass her, which is horrible. Wow. Sexual assault.

It's really rude. But in 2009, it didn't feel like that. It was. It was. I still say naked wasted. Moral, the story is memories are wild and don't listen to the grease, man. Everything's been bad forever. Anyhow.

So, what else is the news? Anything else that we should talk about? Yeah, so I mean, on the same similar topic, there was this like hearings from Twitter, Facebook, and Google didn't show up about social media. Google's mad. Google. They should be mad.

I mean, the president said. Google literally looked at them in the face and said between us and Amazon, we are the shadow government. We will make decisions on speech. They're like, we'll tell you, no. But the idea that Google is like skewing its results to like make concern.

It's like, it's a third. Please, if anything, they need to skew them more. Listen, Twitter is a terrible place. But the shadow banning thing is utter, complete fucking nonsense that doesn't make any sense. Don't be like your tweets. Sorry, you don't come up in search. Trump doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. He doesn't know, I mean, he doesn't, he doesn't use a fucking computer version. It doesn't make any sense. Nobody liked your tweets. Sorry, you don't come up in search. Trump doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

He doesn't know, I mean, he doesn't, he doesn't use a fucking computer version. He doesn't know anything works. He doesn't know about what's happening in Hezbollah. They had to do, they basically, what came out in the Bob Woodward book was that they would, they did a Reader's Digest version of what was happening in Hezbollah,

and he didn't read it, he threw it out. So they did basically like a child's version. Like a very easy, these are the baddies and these are the goodies. And if we give them guns, it will only cause more violence like a complete breakdown and he never read it. And like, it turns out, how could you expect him to know how to fucking code?

I don't know, every few weeks I do a tweet. He thinks algorithm is a man he met in the 80s. That's good, is that it from your bit? Is that a from your bit? Is that a bit your work? It just came to me now. It's very good. You're a very agile mind.

Um, you too can take in-bred glasses and hate yourself. Wow. That sounds like a good way to pass the time. Um, no, I mean, Trump is, is, uh, he's very dumb. I think we have to understand that. He's a simple man. He's a simple man who just wants one thing. Not that wrong with being simple, but maybe I'll make a president. For think we have to understand that. He's a simple man. He's a simple man who just wants one thing. Not that wrong with being simple,

but maybe I'll make a president for all black people to go away. Is that too much for Trump to ask of the world? According to Nike, it is. So we're not wearing Nike's anymore. Oh, this country. The Nike thing, I forgot. We're not gonna boycott the Catholic church

for raping our kids, but those shoes. The end point of black men. I want to die. On Labor Day, I knew the world's so bad. A Labor Day, I was like, I had to get on a call and, and this morning I was like, yeah, well, have you seen this Nike thing? And I was like, what Nike thing?

And then I like, it's like, you're burning your Nike shoes because you don't like their ad. Like, guess you don't want those to own those shoes you're already. Is it what an interesting thing to do? I bought all this food. I love these Nike's. They're so cool. I love wearing them.

They're comfortable. They're good for me. And then you're like, oh, you didn't add it. And I'm like, let me take my money and flush it down the toilet. And also now I have to get new shoes. Like, you're cutting your shorts. You can do the logo off your shorts. You mean you're making your shorts unwearable? Like again, still attending the Catholic church.

I don't just give it away. I had new balanced shoes. I owned a lot of new balance shoes because I got a real wide set hobbit foot for any of the fetishists in the audience. Okay. And it's a actual issue when I buy shoes. I have to put them on and walk around the store

for 10 minutes to decide if they're like, Kurt. Sounds annoying. But a new balance shoes are great. And I like new balance. Too bad about that. They gave like 25 million dollars to the Trump campaign and like Joe Arpio and like whatever, wherever else. And I was like, all right, I kept wearing the shoes

because it's my one option. I didn't throw them out, but I also didn't buy those shoes again. That's how you boycott. You don't fucking throw out your own socks and shoot. What are you doing? It's it's it's beative. They're just trying to show the world how many I'll get money to a Puma famously conservative for it. I love to see I'd love to see how this new balance stuff is actually this how it impacted their sales would be interesting. I don't know if anybody's written on that or not, but Chick-fil-A is still opening new locations in New York. Chick-fil-A is like, we don't want to sort of gay people or whatever they do.

And everyone's like, but you got good dip and sauces and boycats don't work. No, really, there are lines of fucking hipsters in New York that are like, okay. Chick-fil-A is good. I donate to the ACLU, so to like eat more chicken. Yeah. You know that billboard?

Oh, we've talked about this before, haven't we? What? This billboard. I don't think we have. It's like, let me get started. It's all blown together. First off, the cows are smart enough that they can write. Not well. We don't talk about that. Not well. Yep. Sorry. I'm going to revisit it. Do it. This is your bet. They can't write well, but they have a grasp of English. I mean, it's like, you know, better than my four and a half year old at this point. You know, like, like, she can't. Better than the president. She can't write, eat more chicken.

And they're like, wow, like, we're gonna be killed and eaten. We gotta stop this. We gotta get the humans to divert their attention towards chicken. I mean, also they got up on the billboard. That's one thing that's, I think, is in pressure because cows really can't climb as far as I know.

But I'm sorry, but like, but like, it's a whole thing is like, if I think this cow ascension and aware and able to write my- The better chop-up chicken. My logical next step is like, well, but we'll have the chickens feel about this situation.

Just in a fucking bizarre way. That's the Pascotarian thing where like, I support anybody who's trying to get off of me because it is the ethical and healthy and environmentally friendly choice and like, also we'll save you money. I'm also, don't care anybody who's trying to get off of me because it is the ethical and healthy and environmentally friendly choice and also will save you money. I also don't care if you eat meat, it's not my business. But if you want to get off of it, sure, I'll help you out.

The pescatarian thing is real weird because you're gonna pay more money for Mercury-Laden. That's not all Mercury-Laden. Pretty Mercury-Laden food. But also as an animal, you just don't see it. Also in our overfished seas. Yeah, that's all true. Am I talking to a basketarian reading them?

I've eaten some fish recently. Oh yeah, but also eaten some meat recently. No comment on that, but let's just say it's possible that that. But just say milk shop. Every once in a while, no, I had to all vegetarian food from milk shop. Every once in a while I do slip up and I feel bad. And I realize I like, we've been trained

and they became addicted to meat and like, I see it and have this kind of, outsized desire for it and it's really, it's haunting. The only time I crave meat and I've said this on podcast before is when I'm in Bo Dega and they are cooking bacon. And something about the smell of like that human flesh adjacent thing makes my like satanic heart bubble over. I'll be honest with you.

Desperation. If I go to LA, if I go to LA and I go to canters, I have on occasion eaten a rubin and felt really bad about it. But I've eaten a rubin too, but a different kind. I love canters. All right. Okay. We should probably move on. Yeah. Let's take it. We got a segment coming up. We have a segment. We're not not doing a guess today. We're going to talk about my favorite current topic, which is the game cyberpunk 2077, which is not out, which is not out for several years. And Josh hasn't played.

No, but I watched 48 minutes. We spent two hours talking about it in your office alone. My God, I'm so excited. Okay, so we're going to, we're going to take a break and then we're going to come back. We're going to talk about some nerdy ass shit, which is cyberpunk, related things, and cyberpunk, the game, and also just like being a cyberpunk. So don't go anywhere. What happens if you play monopoly with real money? We've got to pay the pipe.

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All right, we're back. Hi. And it's time. Hi, punks. Time to talk about Cyberpunk. So, okay, so for those of you who don't know, and I don't know who's listening to this who doesn't know, a Cyberpunk 2077 is a game by CD Projekt Red, which is a expansive appears to be open world game set in starting the Fedka robot set in place called Night City, based on the role playing game, Cyberpunk, and just looks like a crazy like live in a cyberpunk nightmare slash dream world.

Very ambitious. Super ambitious, super huge, super beautiful. Already, you know, some controversy around it to me. People don't want to play first person after. Yeah, first person, which I don't understand. 30 years of first person, we've changed our mind. I don't get it. Well, I don't know. People like think you could like do. I hate doing. I don't get it. Well, I don't know if people like think you could, I hate doing. I don't know.

Is GTA is not first person, right? It's like over the shoulder or whatever. Yeah, I think people want that. But I'm. Third person gaming is gay culture. But like, no, but not no offense to first person gaming. It's good. I like first person gaming because it's like,

I want to be in the game. I want to be in the environment. I want to be there. Yeah. I don't mind it. So I would rather it be a VR game. So, so I wanted to, I thought it'd be fun to be there. Yeah, I don't mind it. So I would rather it be a VR game. So I wanted to, I thought it'd be fun to talk about works of cyberpunk that are like things that I've been thinking a lot about looking at, yeah, looking at and thinking about playing

cyberpunk 2077, which doesn't come out until potentially 2077 and they haven't announced, but they talk about it like in the terms of years. I mean, let me just, if it's going to come out until potentially 27,77 and they haven't announced. But they talk about it like in the terms of years. I mean, let me just, if it's going to come out in 27, and I have before we even get into this, before we get into this, because I don't want to be added, I have a definition of Cyberpunk, hopes to launch a 2018 at the earliest that I would like to read. So we can parse what isn't as in cyberpunk. Here we go.

Let me hear it. Cyberpunk is a genre. PS, a genre is a set of expectations that an audience brings to a work of art. And this genre is of dystopian science fiction based on the rise of technology, such as AI, robotics, generalized use of human implants and bionics, juxtaposed with a rise in criminality, social inequality, and the collapse of traditional governments

for the benefit of mega corporations. I also would like to note, it's sort of like Michael Critein's ultimate Jurassic Park thesis about progress not being good or bad. Progress is just like a power trade off we keep making. That promises simplicity, but only makes your life further complicated. That is what Cyberpunk is. Anything that fits within that about the future? Great.

Everything else, not cyberpunk. I don't care if Miley Cyrus put dreads in and met a robot. That's not cyberpunk. I don't know. That sounds pretty cyberpunk to me. Not cyberpunk. Steam punk actually developed out of cyberpunk. It was Bush Eric cool.

Well, I'm gonna talk about that in a second, but I want to talk about cyberpunk. I think when you think of it, and I think everybody knows this, but the things that are most closely associated with sort of like the, the sort of ultimate, you know, Cyberpunk work, like neuro-mancer, by William Gibson is one. I think the original Blade Runner film is considered, but I mean, that is a cyberpunk kind of universe in many ways, you know. And I would say there's a handful of the whole sprawl trilogy, which is Neuromancer Count

Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive. All of that stuff is considered very much like the sort of perfect articulation of what Cyberpunk is. It is very much like the, I mean, many, many things about the world we live in increasingly are like the things envisioned by some of the greatest cyberpunk authors and thinkers. You know, I think that the way that corporations have become so prevalent in our lives, the way that they control. The government, we were just joking about Google, but literally, it's the case.

The way they control, the fact that healthcare, we can't have socialized healthcare in America because healthcare is really controlled by these insurance companies. They really have an enormous say in the political process. I mean, Facebook is a great example of a just kind of dystopian. I know this sounds insane, but like gift cards to me, were the first thing where I was like,

we are living in a bad time. Why? When I was a kid, tell me why? Because you could just give somebody cash, but it was a corporation tricking you into doing an in-house currency that didn't have any benefit.

That's very true. It could expire. It could expire. It could expire. They could decide that it doesn't, it's not worth what it did, the card could not work. There's multiple points of failure, but also it was as an act, it was to replace an act of actual human kindness, which is to buy a gift that you took the time to actually care about.

Right. With a fake act, which is to say, I know you need something from Home Depot, so here's $50 to Home Depot, instead of $50 to respect it as a human to know how to spend for yourself. Which if you want to give a thoughtless gift? Give a thoughtless gift. I'd rather you be honest.

I mean, I think that's very... Like iTunes is very cyberpunk. I mean, maybe. And iTunes get far for Christmas to a child is the most cyberpunk garbage I've ever heard in my life. Well, you mean because it's like a physical representation of money that you could spend in the iTunes that you have to like,

or you could spend in any, for any actual gift that a child could use, then they end up engaging with a screen in a walled garden of content that has been chosen for them and decided was acceptable for their brains. Wow. It's, we are getting closer and closer to it being reality, but yeah, like everything that incorporates,

like obviously we were talking about Billy Eidle the other day. Oh yeah, well, there's a whole, you know, there's a, you know, like the lawnmower man, it's like this is a genre of like science fiction, like wild palms, which is a show that I, I've talked about many times and I might actually be ready. But those have, some of these are just visual tropes. Yeah, but wild palms is a very cyberpunk show.

Yeah, I mean, wild palms is a very cyberpunk show. Yeah. I mean, wild palms is a cyberpunk mini series that the likes, which has never existed before or since, in my opinion. But you know, there's like, you get into these, there's always like, so Billy Idol had a record in 1993 called cyberpunk, which was, you know, hilarious. I mean, it was all like very like digital. Like, he did a live performance on Jay Leno where he, they had like live video toasters.

And it was at the same time, cool as shit. And also like, what are we doing? No, it's very nice. You gotta look at the performance. Maybe we'll embed a video of the performance. Yeah, I'll throw it on the post. In this post, but it's like, it takes a lot of the Cyberpunk ideas

into this very comical realm. You know, but the actual kind of the Cyberpunk ideas into this very comical realm. But the actual kind of the cyberpunk ballast is really, is quite serious and quite dark and does, is actually has shades of what is happening now in the world. I mean, it's the Matrix, which literally ended up leading to a bunch of political gonsquences. I think the world of Ready Player One

that we certainly is in the book, but in the movie. The idea is totally, is the actual book is but in the movie. The idea is cyberpunk. The actual book is Harry Potter for people who can't write or read. Whoa. I hate that book. Yeah, Bart. But like, but even ex-Mocky now is a perfect example, I think of, of, maybe it's a little bit slightly post cyberpunk, but it's definitely um, or like ghost in the shell.

Those, those ideas are really core and we've actualized them into the real world, which is of course part of science fiction, but Cyberpunk is about the cynical version and the cynical version is also like the closest to Occam's Razor. Yeah, wow. You really went there. You went all over there. So I was thinking. Is this true though? I was thinking of some things that I think are pretty cyberpunk.

I made a list of things that people call cyberpunk and you could tell me which are in which one. Okay, good. Let me hear your list. And then I want to talk. I mean, it's a massive, let me hear your list. And then I want to talk about it. I mean, it's a massive list. We already touched on something, but I want to talk about things that I've been thinking about re-engaging with to some degree

or engaging with again, or for the first time, maybe, because I'm so excited about this game, and I can't stop thinking about it. And I just want more cyberpunk related stuff in my life. Give me your list. Let me hear your list. One of the earliest things I've seen is a clockwork orange. I mean, I don't think I would

classically define that a cyberpunk. I think that's more like, I mean, I can see it. Oh, loud for now. Yeah. I see some of it there. I would allow it, but I get that it was before this movement. Well, definitely.

But there's proto-siberpunk stuff. I mean, like a lot of Phil PkDex writing like obviously, do we end up dreaming of Electric Sheep, which is the basis for Blade Runner, but even books like Ubeck, which to me is a very cyberpunky kind of book. Electric Dreams is a series on Amazon that was sort of obviously a rip off of the Black Mirror phenomenon.

Fair enough. But the Electric Dreams series itself is much more cyberpunk than actual Black Mirror is, which I know you don't like, but if you've watched Electric Dreams, it might be something you find more relevant. I have watched a couple of episodes of it. It's fine. It's a little Canadian for my taste. I don't know if saying.

Here's the real text. Here's the real text. I mean, you're like, this is from Canada. Here's a real text of what't know, it's a little Canadian for my taste. I don't know if saying. Here's the real text. He's a real test. He's a real test of what Cyberpunk is or isn't. Early Lady Gaga, which was reflective of themes of technology and pop culture and things. I will say what's the video where she's like in there's a beach pill and she's like in a coffin. Bad romance.

Yeah. Kind of cyberpunk. Yeah, that's pretty cyberpunk. I mean, it's also kind of a lot of the live performances incorporated all this emerging technology like glasses that could display text instead of like what instead of seeing things you would be seen you would see things through the glasses if someone else. No, that's interesting. Interesting idea. There's a lot of stuff in there that was like obviously pulled from many sources like Bowie or like Grace Shones, but it's interesting. I don't know that I would I don't know that I've ever considered or thought about her as being cyberpunk.

Their first art pop art pictures, which are kind of notorious because she scrapped the idea and moved on was extremely cyberpunk. Let me pull those up for you. Please do, I want to see them. And she pulled back on the idea and moved towards sort of more of a concept album,

but she was about to do a super cyberpunk thing that I would have been really excited about. And if you Google it, you can see what Josh is seeing right now, which is her, it's sort of Matrix-inspired from her. Yeah, I'm right. She's a punk. I mean, she's post-siberpunk. It's just she's adopting something aesthetic. Yeah, that's true. I mean, that's true. I'm cool with that, you know, it's fine, it's great. I mean, other post cyberpunk things have a pop music is basically only post cyberpunk outside in like mainstream pop. Like, oops, I did it again or break free by R&D or like heavily, they're basically the same video. They're heavily sci-fi influenced, ready for it by Taylor Swift. We were talking about earlier, but oh, they're all sci-fi influenced, but they're not necessarily like cyberpunk,

but they're adopting the visual tropes. The Taylor Swift stuff is truly, uh, epically bad, so I don't recommend seeing it. But I think there is a lot of, you know, there is a kind of is minority report. Minority report has a cyberpunk vibe. I think you could put it in the, you could put it in there. What about, um, okay. So did you play Detroit Book of Human, you could put it in there. What about? Okay. So did you play Detroit, become human? I just played it.

No, I haven't played it. That's very cyberpunk. It's very cyberpunky and I can heavily recommend it. The writer doesn't know how to write for women, but outside of that wearing a shoe, it's all writers. Deus Ex human revolution, which is the first real, I mean, the first fully realized Deus Ex game, maybe the first one that works very cyberpunk. Yes. I played the sequel a little bit, but it's not as good in my opinion. I don't know, it's hard to get into. I feel like a lot of those, a lot of games that peak

somewhere within the middle of the series, peak somewhere within the middle of the series. How many Deus Ex games have been made? I don't actually know. I know that one because I played all the way through now. There's at least three because I played at least three. Deus X. Let me see. Oh, here it is. I got it goes to this series overview. Wow. They have made a lot of them. Oh, really? I've only played three. Um, so Deus Ex, which I played when it came out, I remember this. I remember playing it and putting it down. Deus Ex and visible war, human revolution, the fall Deus Ex go and mankind divided.

I did. I did mankind divided human revolution on the first one. So human revolution is the first really good one. Oh, yeah, I totally owned this game. It's bio shock. It's like, blow your mind. No, bio shock is actually really, it's very steam punk. Fuck steam punk.

And I have to say fuck bio shock. No, bio shock is good. There's it. It's like aqua punk. I don't know what this is. I would rather do a C punk. C punk. The tip for talking about it is really a banks again.

Yeah, C punk is a whole other thing. I love C punk. No, I mean, bio shock certainly has, I would say it's much more, I mean, I would say BioShock is almost kind of firmly in the steam punk kind of, I mean, it is. You're right, you're right. It's like a mad about ourselves. That's a fucking big guys are like, they're not really, they're like, it's like, 1940s, adorable technology.

Exactly, it's like, HG Wells, or no, kind of fall out. I don't know. Yeah, well, fall out is not, I wouldn't say that. No, it's like strictly steampunk, definitely not cyberpunk. No. I would also on your list. This is exciting. Retro City Ram page, which is one of your pay. Well, that's the thing that I said that I feel like there's this quality to it that's

really cyberpunky because it's such a weird and same for the same for the game. The same for the game, hotline Miami. Yes. Which is like, it's like the kind of thing that people in a cyberpunk universe would play in a way. Yeah. Those are both like,

they're just like, just like, like, very dynamic, bright, poppy, weird, non-rear. And a very clear riff on another arrow,

which is the thing that's recently evolved. A clear riff on influence specifically from this era and like modern day without taking in like 90s, 2000s crap. It's very like 80s cyberpunk meets. Yeah. Today's ideas about like gameplay, which is a fun thing to do. Well, there's also a lot of stand dead cells. Yeah. Oh, my God.

Don't give me some. I know. We're going to talk about later. We're going to talk about later. We're going to talk about later. Not cyberpunk, but I think that, um, yeah, I think there's a lot of in, in, I mean, ready player one, which I would not consider to be an actual Cyberpunk book. But there is in many of these, um, in many of the famous Cyberpunk sort of works,

there is a lot of like, you know, there's a noirish aspect to it. I mean, that's really being pulled from the blade runner being a film noir sci-fi slash up that created sort of, but, but, but, but the heroes of Cyberpunk are often an anti-hero very much like the film. Absolutely. But I think that they created a post apocalyptic genre, which is not cyberpunk, but which came out of cyberpunk. Do you think that's like a set like hunger games is not cyberpunk, but it's definitely

a postapocalyptic. Yeah. Post-apocalyptic. Agree. But post-apocalyptic in cyberpunk are not necessarily joined at the hip. And I think that, yeah, I mean, cyberpunk is really about that kind of like technological advancement, the kind of outpaces.

It's an adventure that exists in the physical world mixed with a bunch of digital. Well, it's also just like about politics and society and the kind of structures in which we live, both literally and figuratively. But figuratively, it's so much about the way we are, the way we are, are not human, the way we see ourselves and the kind of fabric of humanity,

how corporations play a part of that in a way that is much more the way that they're living. Well, the tie between technology and corporations and being so ugly and when technology keeps advancing, so will corporations. Yeah, and then also the advancement of science for both great and nefarious means. I mean, you know, like.

What is progress? Yeah, exactly, exactly. I think the diamond age, which actually is a lot of steam... I mean, the thing about steampunk is that the two most... I feel like seminal steampunk books are the diamond age by Neil Stevenson. And the William Gibson... I want to say it's William Gibson and Neil Stevenson,

though I can't be... Oh, no, it's William Gibson and Bruce Sterling. Sorry, I did a book called The Difference Engine, which is steampunk. It's like steampunk. If, no, it's basically like Victorian London, if computers had advanced in a really different way in a more advanced, in like a faster way. And they were actually like real computing systems,

like computing power and there are all these like, crazy like flying vehicles and stuff. And it's very easy. Like if Eta Lovelace had been allowed to just like run rough shot on her realies, and she's in the difference engine. And it's about like babbage and like Charles Babbage. And it's a crazy book.

It's like, you know, written by true nerds. But you know, kind of a madness. Well, that's the cyberpunk thing. And he's be written by true nerds. But, you know, it kind of a madness. Well, that's a cyberpunk thing, and he's be written by true nerds. It can't just be the spice up your life video by the Spice Girls, which takes a bunch of visual, very clear visual rips from cyberpunk works. But essentially, the thesis statement is like,

we love being pop stars. We can't wait to make a movie. Yeah, I think that there's like, there are works that are very influenced by... I mean, screened by Michael and Janet Jackson in another example that's a music video. I actually do think they understood the themes that they were dealing with.

Maybe, I don't think that's cyberpunk. You don't think that's cyberpunk? I bet that Michael Jackson was into some of that stuff, but I don't know. I think that is absolutely cyberpunk. I don't know, I think you're the aesthetic. You also didn't think Janelle Monet was cyberpunk, but you think that's a stretch.

Totally is. It's a stretch. The arc andrid stuff? I just don't think it's like, I think you need the whole. Her parents and electric dreams was thepunk. I think that's a stretch. Totally is. It's a stretch. The arc andrid stuff? I just don't think it's like, I think you need a whole. Her parents and electric dreams was the apotheosis of that.

I think you need the whole world. Okay, it doesn't necessarily build out a world. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think it need to be in a city, like an urban environment. I mean, or at least like, okay, I'm not gonna see how society works.

Yeah, and I think that the great, the great, so Tron is in cyberpunk. No. That was on a lot of Cyberpunk websites. I would not consider Tron to be a work of Cyberpunk. Okay. I don't, I mean, no, I don't think so. I think that Tron is a cool science fiction story.

Okay. What about Total Recall? No. Or Battlestar Galactica? No. I have a one that actually is, but that you still don't like. What is it? Altered Carbon. Well, Altered Carbon is very cyberpunk.

I mean, most of the episodes are bad. They're bad, they're bad. They're poorly written. I watched your episodes. I had to check out. The last three episodes, they pull everything together and you have a great story. It should not take fucking 13 episodes to get that.

Altered carbon is 100% cyberpunk. Cyberpunk is Gattica. Uh, maybe no. Akira is ghost in the shell. The fifth element is cowboy B. Bob. Snowpiercer? Snowpiercer has a kind of Cyberpunk quality too, but I don't know that I've- Post-Hyperpunk.

I don't know that we consider it a Cyberpunk. It doesn't, you know, remember, it's like, oh, go ahead. Draft Punk. Draft Punk's first and second record. Harder, better, faster. No, it's that cyberpunk. I don't think so.

The Kanye Riffs are not. Shadow Run returns is a game. Shadow Run. No, that's cyberpunk. I don't think so. The kind of your riffs are not. Shadowrun returns is a game. Shadowrun. Shadowrun is very cyberpunk. Absolutely. But Shadowrun returns the game you can download and play, which is like, it's like a three quarter like game, like it's not first person or over the shoulder.

It's a very, it's over the shoulder. It's over the, it's like on a, anyhow, whatever. That's a very cyberpunky game, very, very in the very in the fucking deep, fucking depths of, deep depths of Cyberpunk. Wild Palms, which I talked about before, which I wanted to revisit for a second,

I think it's probably the most cyber punk thing it's ever been on TV. William Gibson has a cameo in it. And it deals with like reality and body modifications and like, you know, corporations controlling the government and it's all that stuff, you know. I think that's like Jim Belushi was in there. Oh my God.

Yeah. And Delaney and Kim Kertral. Oh my God. Robert Losea. How this is literally a project perfectly built for this gay nerd. Oh dude, dude. Angie Dickinson. Well I have the DVDs. You can only get for this gay nerd. Oh, dude, dude, Angie Jacobson Well, I have the DVDs of it. You can only get it on DVD. Can I have your DVDs? Oh, can I just rip them?

So I've been made into the office. I've been meaning to rip them because I I'll put them on Google Drive. I think we get onto the listeners. I think I'm gonna write about it at some point But can I just watch it? Yes, you can I'll bring them. Oh my god. This looks incredible. I'm looking at the screenshot. It's crazy So this is like twin peaks, but sci-fi so it's yes, so it's wealth produced by Oliver Stone Okay, it's directed by it's of several of the episodes I want to direct it by Catherine Bigelow one is directed. Yeah, two were directed by Keith Gordon Who's an amazing director who did mother night and like a bunch of other really good shit. No, no, it's a crazy So it is prestige it's prestige television before prestige television.

Yeah, like when being in touch is on like how technology is going to change politics? Like how the media is used by politicians. Wow. It's like really, really smart and to way ahead of its time. And it was a huge bomb. ABC was like, I'm doing this like we're doing this like, you know, epic series. And like nobody watched it. It was about. I'm sure you really is about this.

The screenshots are incredible. I'm like, it's a good, it's very good. I'm telling you. I mean, like that. Oh, this is, yeah, do you ruin it? I know I clearly have no idea what's going on. I'm also three drinks in, but this is incredible. While palms is the shit, I don't want it's kind of like kind of kind of my secret, my secret weapon. But anyhow, so I'll bring my DVDs in. Anyhow, so I think it's interesting, but like all the stuff. The Emmy.

Thinking about Cyberpunk 2077 has made me, has obviously gotten me very excited about the potential for revisiting some of these things. Well, Detroit become human was a thing where I was like, why is there not more of this? But there's crappy series like humans on TV. This is the genre we need to jump into in the age of fucking Google Drive. I was like, why is there not more of this? But there's crappy series like humans on TV. This is the genre we need to jump into in the age of fucking Google Drive.

Is it all about just reacting? Yes, which is this genre that is polarizing that I very much like, but I understand why people don't because I don't play it like it's a game. I play it like it's a movie that I am watching and making choices in, which is a fun experience, but it's not a video game. How good is the movie? It's a good movie. which is a fun experience. But it's not a video game. How good is the movie? It's a good movie. It's a good movie.

Heavy Rain was an okay. I loved Heavy Rain. It was a okay, B-list movie, very soapy. The Beyond Two Souls was a great homepage performance and a thing that went on too long. Yeah, I stopped playing the middle of it. Detroit Become Human. Riveting prestige TV with a choose your own ending about Nazism and like the state of it. Detroit become human. Riveting prestige TV with a choose your own ending

about Nazism and like the state of humanity. And I can't, again, David Cage cannot write women. I wanna apply for a job there to so that I can write the women for him, but it was very good. No, that sounds really interesting. I wanted to play it. I just like, I don't know if I'm gonna spend

60 bucks on this game. I'll give you my copy. I have an on DVD. All right. Blue right, I'll give it to you. I mean, I don't know if I'm gonna spend 60 bucks on this game. I'll give you my copy. I have an on DVD or on Blu-ray. I'll give it to you. I mean, I have like a PlayStation PlayStation. PlayStation, yeah. I'll give it to you. Okay, great.

I'll give you wild palms and you'll be there. Perfect. All right, anything else? I think, I actually have two more that I really want your opinion on. Play it on me. Mr. Robot. It's an alternate now. Yeah, yeah.

But a future now. I think it's, it's, I didn't watch the second season. I started watching the season. I was like, I can't handle this. This is not good. It's, it gets, it gets better, but it is not as good as the first season. First season was good. I thought, I think they went to places they could not come back from.

They went to places that were so far out. Also as a storytelling device, when you say that you're, um, all every single character is an unreliable narrator and everything's a metaphor. So the plot doesn't matter. Yeah. You really back yourself out of ever doing a second season. That first season was very good. I mean, it was very, very good and I got to give him credit for it.

Um, I think that's firmly within the genre. I think it's very cyberpunky. I would say, um, oh, what is the game? Uh, uh, oh, extremely cyberpunky is, uh, uh, oh my god. What is the game? Or you're like a hacker? You're in like the second one, I think is in Chicago. Oh, John loves this game. What the fuck is your call? All of them. Why am I blanking? Hold on. I'm gonna go go go it up. Uh, so in a hacker game, right now, those people scream. I could literally look up their receipt. It was screaming. And John would, it would be in my thing because I literally bought Google it up. A hacker game. Right now those people scream me. I could literally look up their receipt. It was screaming into her.

And John would, it would be in my thing because I literally bought it for him. Hacker game. Oh my God, what is it called? It's like, I'm blanking so hard. Watch dogs. Watch dogs. Yeah.

I'm blanking hard because it's a good terrible name. But watch dogs is such a bad name. Super sour punky. And I got the second one which I really like. I played the first one. I couldn't quite get into it. John loved both of them. And John's not a like cybery, theme-y person.

There's just so much going on in it. It's very overwhelming. You know, it's like GTA, but with like more rails in some way. It's very GTA-ish. This is the last one and this is gonna really test you because we talk about this topic so much on this show. Batman Beyond is that cyber funk. I think it's, I don't haven't seen enough

of Batman Beyond and make a ruling here. He's in like a future city and he's Batman and he has a whole bunch of sci-fi gadgets. And the old Batman is mentoring the new Batman who is encountering digitally created villains. Well, there's a great, okay, there's a great, on a one point. And it's made by the animated series Batman people.

Okay, so it is pretty good. So there is a Batman steampunk Batman. No. All steam punks. There is a gear off your top hat. No, there is a Batman. Oh, here it is. Okay, I put the gear back in the machine.

I just forgot about this. I literally just remembered the thing. There's a book called Batman 3D. Which was a, which was a, I have, I own this somewhere, which was a, which was a, I have, I own this somewhere, which was a comic that was done all in like 3D render. By John Burn. Yeah, there was done all in 3D.

When was this released? Oh, in the first 390 or the second? Or the second or the 93? Yeah, second 3D wave. This is when I had a shit fit on my birthday because my dad didn't get me the Wendy's released 3D glasses for the Sabrina the Teenage Witch 3D episode. Yeah, what is his name, John Byrne?

So this guy did this all in, yeah, this is very, very cyberpunky, and I think, Super cyberpunky. And I think that I'm trying to see if there is, I wanna see pages of it. There's one on Wikipedia. It's just a cover, right?

Google, Google something. Are these valuable? cover, right? Google, Google, uh, something. Are these valuable? Seems like they're rare. I'm curious. Yeah, these are rare. If you can find it, they're like, I own it early. Ooh, you should do a scan of that. I, I'm like, this is not it. Where is it? Oh, here it is. There is a, no, it's not 3D. It's 3D rendered. Okay. It's like that cover is like what the whole comic is like. That man, 3D. Yeah, it's like weirdly hard to find. I mean, you can ask.

Yeah, I've never even heard of this. Yeah, it's by John Burn. It's on Amazon.com books. Yeah, $20 for a copy. Okay, so now I've only have a user generated image. Yeah, I see that. Is this the book? That's the book.

3D effects by Ray Zone and Free 3D Glasses, which would have saved me in the 90s for Sabrina. Maybe it does have, maybe does it have 3D pages? I don't really know. I want to see. I'm just surprised. Each individual comic is $15 or you can get the paperback version for 20. Paperback. I don't know. Anthology, whatever it is.

Paperback. Maybe there's something that isn't rendered, but I'm almost certain that there's a whole story in there that is like done. I'm just looking. Cyberpunk style, but with Batman. Well, yeah, and there's a- Which is perfect because Batman's on the worry. Sorry.

I just interrupted you, but that's fine. It's fine. I'm just trying to like see inside this book. That's why the Batman Animated Series is so good because it was all like, oh God, I love Art Deco period. It's the best, I love Art Deco. It's second only to brutalist because I just think they're both great.

And to build an entire series for Batman in the 90s based on Art Deco and that was a trend. Also ties into like the 40s new art roots of Batman. And it just made it so easy to tell those stories. And nowadays, what do we have Ben Affleck making Margot Robbie around the city? Oh really? Margot Robbie. As Harley Quinn. Oh, right. He's been off like having her do that today. He's bat flick. He's out now, I think. Well, he's done. Gone for so good.

Somebody said, I saw some articles, like some Batman, some Batman storyboard artist says that the Ben Affleck, Batman move, standalone Batman move is the best Batman story that's ever been told on film. Well, this podcast is over. It was really nice to see this. I don't know.

You know what, give the go. I'm gonna lose my mind. Okay, he won one Oscar for Goodwill hunting. Okay. He wrote that in one of the Oscar for his gumpeas Oscar's. It doesn't make it good. I've never seen it. Sucks. It's got a voided scene it. I don't know why I don't like. I don't like over high bullshit. Absolutely trash. Okay. Okay. We shot a good note. Yeah.

You guys know what Cyberpunk is? You're prepped for the game to come out. Yeah. I mean, there's more. There's a lot more there. But this is, I mean, what's he gonna add? I'll talk about, I mean, I know crash. We're gonna talk about snow crash for two hours. Well, crash is definitely in there. Yeah. Robocop. Robocop is kind of in there. Totally in there. Yeah. Philip K. Dick is pre-sciber punk. pre-sciber punk, but but he stuff really does some of the hits on it. Judge Dredd. Judge Dredd is fairly cyberpunk. Kylie Minnow from 2007 to 2009, all cyberpunk. Okay, ultra cyberpunk movie, it's called Hardware. It's fucking sick as shit. I don't know anything about it. It's about, it's so cyberpunk. It's set in a post-apocalyptic

nightmare world where technology has taken over everything. And it's like this guy comes home to like his visit his girlfriend. He's like a guy who like collects stuff out in like the desert. It's like where the war, like some horrible war happened. All he does is like he's out there like picking up scraps and stuff and selling till some like scrapper. Everybody's got a radiation sickness. Everybody's like, you know, it's like, it's like super, super fucking cyberpunk. And then he gives his girlfriend this robot,

like robot parts that he bought or found. Wally and Eve. And then the robot reassembles itself and goes on a kill crazy rampage and it's fucking amazing. And there's like, it was rated X when it originally came out because there's some extended sex scenes in it. And also the like, it was rated X when it originally came out because there's like some extended sex scenes in it. And also the same, who's the guy in it?

He's like a well-known actor, the main guy, who I'm blanking on right now. What year was this? Now, I wanna say it's 1990, 1990. It was 1990. Wow, now the star of the film is one... Carl McCoy? No, that's not a star. Angry Bob is played by Iggy Pop.

Yes, Iggy Pop. Dylan McDermott. Dylan McDermott, who's like, not to be confused with Dermott Mulroney, but actually you could have good butts. Yeah, I don't know, but I will say this. Dylan McDermott in the first time I've ever seen him in. And there's just very good. And there's also like, it's crazy. There's like Iggy Pop is in it as like a radio. Yeah, Dylan McDermott in the first thing I've ever seen him in. And it's just very good.

And there's also like, it's crazy. There's like Iggy Pop is in it as like a radio. Yeah, Dillem McDermott. A radio personality. It uses this P.I.L song that I love called The Order of Death, which is great poster. Oh yeah, no, it's, this is iconic. Iconic!

Great poster. Cyberpunk shit. And it used the song The Order of Death, which is such an interesting story about that because John Liden, who is Johnny Rodden, who's now a horrible person, but was not always a horrible person, had a band after, after the Sex Pistols, called P.I.L. Public Image Limited. And he also starred in a movie with Harvey Kytel, known as Cop Killer, but the movie also has two other names. One is corrupt and the other is the order of death.

And I think he wrote the song. Oh, you've talked about the order of death. Have I? And I think he wrote the song for the movie. Okay. And then finally, there's just one other thing is that Billy Idol produced his performance of Cyberpunk. His album is kind of a joke.

It's not really. It's like, all his songs are literally, he has a song called Neuromancer and he's like, I'm the Neuromancer and I'm Transane. But he's actually... But he's actually... But he's actually, all his songs are literally, he has a song called Neuromancer, and he's like, I'm the Neuromancer, and I'm Transane. Like, this is the actual... But he's like, he's like, weird like, blonde dredds in the performance of Joe Leno. But like, very wakowski. Yeah, but most importantly,

Wakowski's hysterical. I believe, and we have to find the clip that he goes, when he finishes his performance, maybe it's a second performance or something. Oh yeah. And Leno, he's like, that's the sabba, and I'm the punk, because he's doing these like live video toaster things. It literally sounds just like that.

Unless I invented that, maybe he never said it. But anyhow, Billy Idol had a moment where he was just very into the world of Neuromancer and Cyberpunk. He also does a cover of the song, Heroin by the Velvet Underground. Is that Velvet Underground or Lou Reed's song? A Velvet Underground? Heroin is Velvet Underground. I want to say it's Velvet Underground.

At any rate, he does a cover of it. It's kind of a techno, an up tempo techno cover, but kind of good. It's kind of good, hold on. So yes it is. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. It is. While we're sitting here, okay.

I'm just gonna get it. I'm just gonna pump this up on the system. Do I have Spotify install on this computer? Wow, I really, you know what I found out? What? I get title three through, I get title free through I really. You know what I found out? What? I get title three through, I get title free through sprint. You know what I'm still not using? Oh my God, title?

Title. I was like, what are you talking about? I have to get free Amazon Prime and Hulu. Billy Idol, because we live in a cyberpunk nightmare. Billy, you'll put, maybe you'll play us out with this. Billy, Idol, cyberpunk. That's got, I mean, this is so, like... Look at this. Look at that art. It's like so...

Oh my God. Cyber punk. Hold on, where is it? Oh! It's very like vapor wave, Tomas. It's very vapor wave. It's very Tomas. It's all very hot right now. Hold on. We got this coming out. Well, I wish I was born We got this coming out. On a great big, great worship Going for this life into that

Baby, say, what we see now can't Away from the big city Away from the big city Where a man cannot be free, all the cables in this town, and all himself and fools are well, and I'm closing in on death. And I can't stand it just don't know Jesus died for somebody sins but not mine Jesus died for somebody sins but not mine I don't know just. He produced this on his Mac at home, at like his home studio. Is that really? Yeah.

So this is, that, the one thing I think was interesting about this is that in 93, also this came with the fold out, came with the CD and a floppy disk with content, like macro media director content. They had like interactive, like, I love that. They really went for it. They really went for it anyhow. The best thing that ever happened to me

was when Nintendo did, Nintendo did like some integration with the serial where they gave up thumb drives or something. It was like a demo disk or something. And I made my mom buy the serial, so I could like play a demo even though I already owned the game because I was so excited that we lived in the age where you buy cereal.

You're great. I'm into it. I love thumb drives. It was rock hard for a demo disc. Thumb drives are just such a great, just like jacket in there. Just fucking jacket and boom. Yeah, no, you must be 3.0.

Yeah, I mean, too. You know me fucking, you know the Linux discers I have that boot off of thumb drives and scattered around my house. Oh, hell yeah. I'm about to fucking jack into this. Boom. Abba rating system.

Reboot to eight like, Leisha Suit Larry or whatever it's called, it's like, loony lizard or like all their dance are like, y'all wanna play Miss like, Shaky Monkey or whatever. Anyhow. Anyway, we should wrap up.

We had another good note. Yeah. Oh, something I like from the internet or whatever, anyhow. Anyway, we should wrap up. We had an end on the good note, yeah. Something you liked from the beginning. Oh, something I liked from the internet. Anything. Bad week for me to like things from the internet. Or anything. Zoop, zoop, zoop. Let me think, let me think.

It could be from real life. No, I'm thinking about what's being going on. And I'm gonna go. I logged back in, I logged into Mastodon and started doing cross-posting my tweets because it's gonna fail. It's a piece of garbage that isn't going to work. But it actually, and I mean that from their product standpoint, you need to market things

from make them work. But the actual product of Mastodon is as good as Twitter, and if you cross-post your tweets or Instagram there using moa.party, you can help build another outside of the corporate structure social networks. So at least try doing it. I don't think it's going to be a thing, but let's do it. And follow me at Ryan Hullahan at Mastodon.social. And I started using Tumblr again as an alternative to Twitter, just for something to do while

my mind is bored. And I have to say, I'm loving Tumblr, loving the images that aren't my friends on vacation like Instagram. They're just these curated, beautiful images from all of history, vapor wave, it's all great. And my porn tumbler is thriving, but you'll never know what it is. Wow, wow, I wanna know more about your porn tumbler. I wanna know what it is.

So, you know, I'm trying to think, like, I've been very busy this week. Yeah, kind of a hactic week. It's been a hactic week. It's been a hard week. Put it out fires. You know, I haven't spent time doing much that could be described as enjoyable, I would say.

Oh, we- This doesn't just involve it underground? Last night, just listening to, I'm just listening to Billy Eidle's cyberpunk. No, last night, I put on my brother-in-law I had never seen in the realms of the Unreal. I think I've talked about this on the podcast before. It's about an outsider artist named Henry Darger,

who created a elaborate world of the Vivian girls. Have you ever seen this? You should watch it. It's narrated by Dakota Fanning when she was like, nine? Weird. It's super weird. It's a documentary about this guy, who was this, he was like nine. Weird. It's super weird. It's a documentary about this guy who was this,

he was like a janitor at a school, a girl's school or a Catholic school or something. Oh, no. I don't think there's, I think there's no funny business actually, no bad stuff, but he created this really crazy world of these girls, the Vivian girls,

who had like, who had penises, but they were girls and they are like fighting these crazy. And Vivian girls, who had penises, but they were girls, and they are fighting these crazy, and he wrote like this 50,000 word novel about them and painted these massive murals. It's like really beautiful, crazy art, and basically nobody, it's really beautiful. And basically nobody knew about it. Like when he died, they like went into his, like one room apartment, and it was just

like filled Florida ceiling with this insane art. And it's all about like outside or art and being. That actually makes me really think of an able end on this, but I have a question for you that I've been pondering and talking about whenever I spend more than an hour with someone which is to say, do you think that in the age of social media, Tumblr, or whatever, there are undiscovered artists, unselibrated artists, has existed before Warhol, like Van Gogh, who will not see any success today with their Kindle single or their Instagram full of their original art? Do you think that those undiscovered works exist more or less?

Because I think they exist more, and I keep being told that they exist less. I think there is a larger opportunity for discovery than there has ever been. So I think that there are more. But do you think crowds are worse? But there are more people, and more people doing it. And more mono of the lines.

And the line between, and the line between, that's true, but the line between what is art and what is curation, what is performance, or whatever has also blurred a lot, you know? So like that's true, but the line between what is art and what is curation, what is performance or whatever, it's also blurred a lot, you know? So like, you know, we did an article of the version. It's Fuck, Jerry a comedian. No, nobody can say he's not speaking of cyberpunk actually.

I mean, I can't even believe I didn't talk about this. We did a story at the verge written by Molly Osberg, great, great buddy, great writer, called Dark Arts about, the deck of this story is meet the architects of Tumblr's cyberpunk randasons. And it was these curators on, these people on, and I still follow a lot of these people on The tumbler is extremely fucking cyberpunk. Oh, there's a whole it's crazy that vapor wave is the most mainstream thing on tumblr There's nobody in the real world most of that there's a whole group of people that are just posting these like insanely cyberpunk things and You know, it's just like it's we talked about these curators that are like,

I mean, they're really amazing at their ability to just find visually striking, meaningful. Yeah. And so, you know, I think there's, yeah, Otaku Gangsta, this is somebody who has, I mean, they're still going. Otaku Gangsta is like super cyber punky at less cyberpunky now, you know, but like this shit like that shit. Yeah, you know,

I'm showing I'm showing Ryan some otaku gang stuff. You can Google it. You know, obviously, you can also read this article. Um, anyhow, I think yes to your point, there are going to be people who get lost in the in the in the sands of time, but that's always been the case. Uh, there just is so much more. It's going to be people who get lost in the in the in the sands of time, but that's always been the case. There just is so much more. It's going to be me. There's just so much more. It's going to be me. People have to the fact that they're going to say his tweets gold. They should have celebrated this man. Why don't we appreciate him when he was alive? Why didn't we think his takes on Bethany

Frankel? We're so sure. Are they? No. I wish wrap up. Anyhow. I'm so so yeah, I would say that's it's on YouTube apparently like you can't stream anywhere but I found it on YouTube that in the realms of the Unreal you shall also read this article uh dark arts that uh that I commissioned back in my old verge days do it so it's so proto I have to say there's so much stuff on the verge I see all the time I'm like this is so proto outline I'm like oh we did this thing is like the verge 50 is like this kind of like list of like people without interest in and I'm like oh this is like kind of cards actually now that I see like, oh, we did this thing. It was like the Verge 50. It was like this kind of like list of like people we thought were interesting. And I'm like, oh, this is like kind of cards actually.

You know, that I see like the first version of it was like literally like like, you were the Philip K. Dick of yourself. I really, wow, that's very Philip K. Dick, that idea. You know, I mean, he has a book, The Valle's Trilogy, where he writes himself as a character named horse lover fat, which is Philip and Dick in German is, that's on my pseudonym.

Yeah, I don't know. Anyhow, is the guys a fucking weirdo? All right, all right. We wrap up, Ryan, it's a lot of fun. I'm gonna, I can't wait to delve into more cyberpunk content as soon as humanly possible. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best. But unfortunately, I've just been told that your family is jacked into the matrix on their Ono Sendai Cyberdeck and has hit some nasty black ice. you