Tomorrow - 132: Casey Johnston Takes a Bite Out of Apple

Episode Date: September 14, 2018

On this week's Tomorrow, Josh and Ryan discuss Marvel's Spider-Man and his addiction to cops, Aaron Paul joining Westworld, and Cuomo's eye-roll of a primary win. Then they're joined by The Outline's own Casey Johnston who jumps in to tell us about Apple's latest iPhone update, what the company decided not to announce yet at the very last minute, and why all their products have gotten so inaccessible and boring. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow I'm your host Josh Wittepolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss web slinging iPhones in Michelle Monaghan. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. All right Ryan, we're back to another week. It's been a great week. It's been one of the greatest weeks of all time in my opinion. It's all happened. So Hurricane on its way? Hurricane, that's not great.

Bad Hurricane on its way. A Kavanaugh bad to be confirmed. After he lied to the Senate. Set of new iPhones out there. They're boring. There's some other stuff I'm sure going on that I can't think of. Trump denies.

Trump denies the own, his own government's report to 3,000 people died in Puerto Rico during the hurricane, the last hurricane, which is last bad hurricane, which is insane. Holocaust level, conspiracy theories. Well, I don't know about Holocaust level, but it's very bad. I mean, for someone to immediately turn around

after 3,000 people died, who is a part of that. Yeah, it is like, like, Holocaust conspiracy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's definitely insane. And obviously there's an part. That's, yeah, it is like, like, all the cost conspiracy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's definitely insane. And obviously there's an election, primary election, a primary election. And by the time this goes up, we'll know that one, and we feel, yeah.

But as of right now, we don't. That's good. That's good. Who'd you vote for? Can we talk about that? Cynthia Nixon. So I had a big debate with Laura about Cynthia Nixon. Sorry, what did I say?

Cynthia Nixon. We had a big debate because I, you know, I'm gonna say an unpopular thing. Cuomo's more experienced, okay? That's a fact. Plus, he's a man. And you know how I feel about man and power. That's what I like.

No, Cuomo. No, Cuomo is not. It doesn't seem like a great guy. He does have experience. Cause his dad was. Cynthia Nixon great guy. He does have experience, because his dad was... Cynthia Nixon seems great. He got to be. She seems great, has all the right opinions, in my opinion,

doesn't have any experience. But I think when push comes to shove, we're living in Trump's America now, and you need star power. And you know, Cuomo doesn't have star power. So it's like right opinions seem smart. I mean, I don't know, but she seems smart. Like you can't tell like you just like listen to a person. No experience, but we'll be surrounded undoubtedly by a lot of people with this experience.

And you know, people said Obama didn't have experience. And you know, he did okay. So anyhow, I ended up voting for Cynthia Nixon because I just think we need to shake this shit up. We need to, we need some new blood in. I don't even know the Cuomo, you know? Cuomo's gonna win anyhow, but. A type of person that I fucking just despise. If he doesn't win, it'll be a huge deal. Yes.

It'll be a huge deal. And obviously we know that. One. So. Yeah, that's right. No, yeah, so that, yeah, it was, and listen, was, I think on the other parts, like if you're a Democrat, there actually were a lot of good, there are a lot of good people running. The attorney general race has a bunch of good people.

There's no pedophiles running in our, we don't know that. We don't know that. There's no known child more. That's why more. The more the doors by the president are running. No, but like there's tough choices. I mean, I think there's good people and tough choices to make.

But the Cuomo thing wasn't that hard. I kind of was like, you know, I don't know. I was kind of like, you know what? I'll take a woman with great ideas and some experience and an impeccable record over a man with a fucked up record. Only some experience, because his dad gave it to him. I just, so who knows? The question is, who is she gonna be running against

if she were to win? Who's the Republican? I don't even know. I mean, they have such a, or a state tell us. Probably talk about the win in New York, right? We have to know. I mean, there's not really a possibility that happened.

No. What if Nassau County had its way? Yeah, right. Kavanaugh, apparently there was a secret letter sent to the FBI by the Democrats. They were asking him some pretty specific questions. Well, I don't know, but there's been a letter sent to the FBI concerning Kavanaugh, which does not sound good to me. And I don't think this is theater.

Like I don't think the Democrats are, I actually think the Democrats are, their problem is I don't think this is theater. Like I don't think the Democrats are, I actually think the Democrats are, their problem is they don't engage in enough theater. Yeah. I think that like the Republicans are really good and basically creative. I mean, even when the Democrats have an amazing point today, like don't tell the story, they're like,

we've got a point and we put it in a memo. Listen, they're like, listen, we don't want to cause any trouble. We're just gonna, we're gonna issue a memo and you guys do it. What we don't want to make is that, we don't want to make any way. If no blue way, I mean. Yeah, no blue waves.

No, the Republicans are very good at taking anything that looks like a problem and turning it into an event. I mean, a khakisuit was a news weekend. Yeah. Yeah. And the Democrats actually don't do a lot of theater, in my opinion, like they're actually kind of bad at it, which is one of their, you know, one of their, frankly, in American politics in 2018, it's one of their disadvantages.

But so I'm curious about what's in this letter, but nobody knows, right? There's been no actual, like, reporting about what's in the letter. No, we don't know specifically what it is. I mean, it's probably nude pics, nude cavernopics. I mean, there was very pointed questions about his gambling debts, who he spoke to

before the election, or before the election or before the election, before the nomination regarding Trump's case with like the Mueller probe. And so it could be something related to be that. It would be multiple things that he lied or told in a newspaper would put in an unintentional untruth. Yeah. Untruth. Yeah, untruth is good shit. I love that.

I love that. An alternative fact. I love that we're living in this world now where, I don't know, nothing matters. It's literally a low, nothing matters world that we're living in. I was talking to Laura about it last night. It's like, yeah, he's gonna be confirmed whatever.

People are writing articles about it and talking about it. It's like, we can't do anything. So that we have no power. The other part of America has no power right now. It's not like, look, when Obama was in power and Democrats controlled the House and, you know, controlled Congress, it was not like this.

They actually were like trying to reach across the aisle. There actually was that thing. Like the Republicans don't do that at all. There is no, they don't care. Give a fuck. Just remember this, the majority of people who voted and the majority of lawmaker, sorry, not the majority of the minority of lawmakers now are not taken into consideration whatsoever. Even think the majority of people who voted. I mean, it's, we're at the point with like cherrymandering and like absurd election tricks and voter right denial that we're just at. But I'm saying Republicans have one job and their job is to is to is to line their pockets

to line the pockets of the lobbyists and the in the corporations that they work with and to stay in power for as long as possible. Like that means that's right. They work for themselves. They work for the Republican party. They work for corporate interests. And this is the truth. They don't give a fuck about Americans one way or the other. They really don't care about the people

who live in work in America. If they did, Trump wouldn't be engaged in the kind of trade wars that he's engaging in. They wouldn't be doing the kind of stuff they're doing with immigration right now. They certainly wouldn't be passing the kinds of laws they pass around the tax, you know, the changes to the tax system which are going to have, you know, devastating effects in the long term. They fucking handouts to corporations. I mean, these people are really truly- I mean, the environment's fucked up you. Yeah, the EPA has decimated... We have his bestest back.

You know, they really are... They really are... It's incredibly... The callousness with which they govern is breathtaking. And anybody who votes for them is a fucking dunce. Is a true dunce. And I'm sorry, like, if you're Republican, you continue to vote Republican, you were voting

against your self-interest, you're voting against like your safety, you're voting against your potential for success. And you're ultimately voting for like basically all of the most wrong ideas of the 21st century. And that's sad, like that's fucked up. But the Republicans are scumbags. They really suck.

And I hope that we can see some change in this midterm. But man, I gotta tell you, it's like, it is tough to see a light at the end of that tunnel. I hate to be depressing ranger here. I mean, here's something Governor Cuomo literally just said after he voted, he said, I'm gonna become, if he loses, to be clear, Cuomo is a Democrat. Yes. No, yeah, sure. Sure, sure is.

He, his quote, after he voted, said, I'm gonna become a journalist and then just second guess everyone else because there's a lot, that's a lot easier and say why'd you do this, why'd you do that? And like when the people on our team and like some of the most progressive places in the country sound like that, like the optimism has been sucked out of me. I don't at this point. Like I voted for Cynthia or whatever because I just think like we got to try some

for some desperate stuff here. Well, it's not just desperate. I just think we do. Like big ideas, big changes like a giant overhaul. Like I just just think in order for me to feel like there's a chance at anything getting better in the long term, we have to actually make changes to the system and not just talk about all the things we think are problems. Because it's like I know how bad everything is. Like I know. I couldn't be more conscious of it.

And I'm sure I more conscious of it. And, you know, I'm sure I sound... Not very fun, it's not very fun to us too. And I'm sure I sound frustrated, but it just, I feel really beaten down by the last couple of years. It's fucking demoralizing, man. I mean, these, and you talk to people and they don't even, they either completely distinguish,

they don't make any fucking sense. Yeah, I mean, all that can happen now is that we get real adults back into the process and that we start to roll back. I mean, look, midterms, that's all the matters right now. We have. That's all matters. We said this a million times. I know.

We said this a million times. I mean, people listening to this. I mean, that's all I think about that. We don't, you know, look, we don't have, you know, we're not speaking to all of America. So, like, people listen to this. Yeah. If you've hung on this long, you're listening because you want to hear me talk about the new iPhones, which is going to happen. And, and, you know, you, you love hearing Ryan and I rant about politics. I mean, you know,

it's, it's, but it's like, yeah, I mean, the only thing that we can, we can hang on to at this point. And then after midterms, if that doesn't change, things don't change, apparently there's been a lot of, lot of voter, sort of voter, like some weird sketchy shick eye and all with voting. I mean, I have like three friends who texted, three or four who texted me, I just couldn't vote at what they do.

And I had to like tell them what to do. Like that's weird. That's weird. Friends in New York City, my age, like that is very weird. Yeah, it's very strange. Well, the, in happier news, Spider-Man's out on the PS4. Oh, so I haven't played it,

but I understand Jeremy Gordon wrote a really good piece about how Spider-Man's kind of like a real cop and like there's this whole thing where there's like boss people who are dealing drugs or doing super pro cops and super anti drugs with like an 80s idea of what that, of like what drug use means. And you know what, honestly,

the whole game is like a rehash of stuff from Arkham, but it's like sunnier and bubblier and funnier and like very much prettier and like it's not like worth playing. But even with Batman stuff, I'm at a point now, I guess the politics of it all has leaked into me where I'm like, why are we beating the shed out of like criminals and throwing them in a loony bin where they're not getting rehabilitated? Like, definitely, no.

The spider-relief stuff of like being like, all the cops are cool and I work with them and that's great. It's definitely kind of thing where, I mean, yeah, Batman is like a billionaire that beats up the porch. It's like, it's like, it definitely is harder and harder to justify his methods. Like I get, okay, then with the harder, harder to justify his methods. Like I get, okay, then with the Joker, Joker's an extreme villain.

Like you kind of have to really go out on the Joker. But the Joker employs a lot of just very disturbed people's mind or saying people who really need poor people. They need it at some point. They need psychiatric help. Now look, I mean, you go down a rabbit hole and you're like, okay, well, you can never have another shoe work because.

It's uncomfortable to feel yourself beating up someone who's doing like, I mean, you go down a rabbit hole and you're like, okay, well, you can never have another shooter because. It's uncomfortable to feel yourself beating up someone who's doing, I guess, an narcotic steal, and then turning them into the police when you know everything you do about the world. And it's like, I even had someone who was just yelling, and he's like, Spider-Man's been doing this in the 70s. He's just super hero, it's not written. It's like, I know all of that.

But when you're doing it yourself, and also, we can critique art and hope that it gets better. I don't know how it takes if some of this has gotten better. I just think it's like, yeah, I think the, you know, and by the way, I don't believe that there are no good cops or anything. So it's tough for good cops.

But there was also a ring of sex workers that were being like trafficked by the NYPD uncovered this week. No, I mean, it's tough to be a good cop in the world right now because who actually cares about their community and is playing, you know, fair and is actually looking out for people's best interests. I mean, I think there's a lot of police officers

that feel that way, but I'm not, you know what I mean? Like, I think it's tough. It's tough because man, there are a lot of fucking cops that don't. And that's the thing is just there's, Spider-Man tells a very large story in a very large city of the game and there's literally no nuance there. So all the cops are great. They mean well, and then everybody that they sat in, deserved it.

What would be cool is to actually turn it to be like, you're working with the cops, you're helping them out and then turns out like there's a dirty, there's some dirty cops that are like, you got to turn it around and like show it to both sides. You know, show like the cops and the back cops. But like, anyhow, I don't, I haven't played the game. I'm sort of like, I'm only a few hours into it. It's fun. I like it.

I think I've cooled on like, I don't know, AAA games a little bit. I really want to play this game. We happy few. Have you seen it? It's, it looks really deranged. It's gotten mixed reviews. It seems like it seems, it's seems like. It's very strange.

It's set in like 1960s, England, where everybody's taking this drug called joy and they have to wear these masks that make them look like they're smiling all the time. But your jokers. Yeah, it looks pretty fucked up and upsetting. Yeah, it is weird. I've been thinking about playing that. I mean, it's kind of a trip. I mean, it's not like, honestly,

I've just been like dived into dead cells and Hollow Knight. Right. And I like Octopath, like I'm just in my suspension. Like I play this vitamin game. I like it, but like anything with a long single player campaign is great, but like I feel like I'm pulling myself away. Some of the stories in these bigger games are getting more and more like simplistic

and like hacky writing, like the writing is so secondary that like, I'm like, all right, I guess it's pretty, but like, how many open world games I've played where it's like, you can go on the whole city. Yeah. I know. No, it's cool. I mean, it's good.

I mean, the open world games, I think the problem with the open world games is, I'm gonna say there's too much. Like, obviously we've talked a lot about cyberpunk since the 2077. I mean, Batman has like 50 or 100 backpacks around the city that you have to go find. And then you'd shove like an item

and he says like a quickie line and you get a point. Too many backpacks. I'm just like, why are we doing with this? Too many backpacks. I just want to be in an open world that has more like stuff you can do in it. Yeah. Like watch dogs did a pretty good job of this.

I don't know if you played watch dogs, but yeah, John played it. The second one, which I played a bit more, which I said, I have all these games I have, I finally finished Horizon Zero Dawn, like just the other night, because I was like, oh, I've been waiting to finish it and haven't done anything.

I haven't played it. I know. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's just one of the things that there's so many games I can't. No, Horizon Zero Dawn is one of the specials. It's really special.

I'll take it on. I mean, it's so rare. It's a game that's so rare in my opinion, just it's so ingrowsing. And I mean, it looked ambitious with big ideas. It's beautiful. The world is massive. Yeah.

I mean, it is, but it's what you want to explore. It's also cheap to get at this point. Yeah, yeah. You should definitely get like the $20 version or whatever. Yeah. But yeah, I, you know, I, it's tough to find games that are really, the really, that really like hold my attention.

Indie games with fun, mechanics and ideas, and an interesting, if not like, crazy hard to create art style, like really beautiful art styles. So much more interesting to me than like a realistic game that's like, guess what? This kid was kidnapped and you gotta get him back. The whole city's against you,

and you have the ability to rewire laptop, like watchdog stuff. For like, it's like that, yeah. It's like, oh god, a Liam Neeson movie another one in an open world thing where I gotta collect cell phones or something, I'm like, come on. Then the, then the, there's the flip of, yeah, it's like Call of Duty games where it's like,

I'm basically playing a movie for an hour or whatever. You're gonna play Duncark? Yeah, I played, I have to say, I've must have played so many hours of Horizon Zero Dawn. I mean, I must have been 100 hours or something of Gameplay. No, it's a fun game, man. I just walked around a lot. I just did a lot of exploring. But yeah, anyhow, so the game stuff is, yes, Spider-Man, I haven't played. Swing and it's fun. It's fun to swing around. You get it, you shoot your webs everywhere.

Yeah, that's fun. That's a good time. I guess, I don't know. If it's a $60 worth, I don't know. Like, it feels like I'd pick it up, I'd play it for a few hours then. I mean, they were like, do you wanna buy the $30 deal, and I was like, no, I don't.

I'll get to the end of this, but. Yeah, the people were like, it's black cat. I'm like, I'm good. DLCs are always, to me, are always a let down. Oh, almost always. Always, I got to be. There's a handful that I liked. Yeah, I don't just need to play are always, to me, are always a let down. Oh, almost always. Always. I got to be hand full that I liked. Yeah, I don't just need to play more.

All right, what else is going on? What else in the news? I think I forgot something that's very important. I mean, the big debate was like, is Jeff Bezos a good person? Because he took some chomp change and threw it in a PR crisis? That's some homeless people? Ah, it sounds like a pretty cool move.

I mean, like good, but doesn't fix the fact that your workers are so. Yeah, I don't a pretty cool move. I mean, like good, but doesn't fix the fact that your workers are so. Yeah, I don't get the Amazon thing. Like, it wouldn't be that hard to treat their workers better. It really, it really, they definitely have, they definitely have the money. Yeah, just do it. Is this anything with Disney World?

It's like, like, those princesses, or like people in those fur costums, making $10 an hour, working a hundred degree weather, like, you could definitely throw them a couple more dollars. Just make it better. It's not that hard. Not hard. Do they have the new phones at the Apple stores yet?

I'm gonna have something about cruising by one at Grand Central later. No, I have to buy, I like to check out. Just look at. Don't they have demo units out at this point? I have no idea. They're not on that. All right, what else is there?

We're gonna talk more about Apple. Yeah, we're gonna talk about Apple. That's why I was thinking about it because we're gonna talk to Casey Johnson, our future editor about Apple stuff, and not just phones, but other stuff, but maybe we should gonna talk to Casey Johnson, our future editor about Apple stuff, and not just phones, but other stuff, but maybe we should just get to that.

Actually, is there anything else? Well, one more thing, just announced. Aaron Paul is joining Westworlds. What? The fuck? Aaron Paul of Breaking Bad fam? Yup. Also who plays Tom Cruise's Michelle Monnigan's brother in mission possible three.

Oh my god. Oh, hey, what's up? Great role. I should think of what he's like, hey man. So excited. What's going on? You're married. No, she's not here.

He's strong. I should not hear. I told the guy with the accent, man. It's like, dude, you got us all killed. Thanks Aaron Paul anyhow. Great actor. Gonna be on wonderful performance. So Jesse Pinkman in the seminal series breaking bad. It was fun.

Starring the guy from Malcolm in the middle and Jesse Pinkman. Yeah. That's actually the says on the box. Yeah. Yeah, it's been what it says on the box. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a long week, whatever, man. Let's wrap it up. Okay, we're gonna take a break.

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podcasts. Also, you can say, okay, Google, play me the news, and we're right there. Oh my god, yeah! Make your mornings a little weirder. My guess today is Casey Johnston, editor of the future section of the outline, and also the person known for destroying Apple and their shitty MacBook keyboard, enforcing them to revisit the design and produce a new improved keyboard. Casey, thank you for being here. I actually, I was telling someone recently that

I was looking at LinkedIn for some reason over the last month. And I saw, I had a message from Apple from December where they were like, we have an opportunity for you, are you interested in it? Oh my God. This was like six weeks after the MacBook post. So it was very curious timing.

They didn't say it was like some recruiter. I assume a job, yeah. Yeah, and you could be in Crippatina right now. I know, I could be. They were trying. You could again, at the XR excess. They were like, they had isolated me as a threat and we're trying to shut me down.

Yeah, that's a catch and kill. Catch and kill, that's how. They've done it with plenty of editors. That's how Trump does it. Yeah. I used to make fun of a certain publication in New York a lot And I was making fun of the one of the founders and he tried so hard to get on my podcast But I was just like he was someone that I would always make fun of and he was trying so hard to come do an interview And I was like no

Why I think that would have been cool because he's like famously terrible it was Gavin McGuinness Terrible person I didn't want to work on Like platform or whatever. Sure. And he tried so hard, we got so many emails of him. Really? Just like every once a week, his rap's reaching out and then eventually one person from him

and I wrote back like, I'm not doing this. Wow. Yeah, he's a bad person. Yeah, I can say, I think. He's not even bad in a way that you want to like explore an unfold on a podcast. Right, you just like, so just like, talk sick, or the heck?

I have my own. Talk sick is the perfect word. Way too many talks like people out there in the world. Not enough Britney, too many talks. We just did this thing, this little article about, I don't know any of my Julian in this friend of ours was like, I didn't know that she was talking to Laura and they were talking about jewel flavors and she's like, there's only like six jewel flavors

or something that exists. And I was like, really? Why aren't there? Because I always hear people talking about all these crazy, like, it's like, man, or they have man. But like, anyhow, they were talking about how like, oh, they're these other flavors and so we publish this little, it's just sort of fun thing or whatever. But I was like, oh, yeah,

this makes me want to get a jewel thinking about like, she mentions the thing about like having dark chocolate, a dark chocolate flavor for like an after dinner, like puff. And it sounded pretty nice to me. I think dark chocolate would be gross. But she suggested, I think she suggested Chai-T, which I think would be very nice, a grapefruit would be very nice.

I've had like orange flavored vape things and they're surprisingly good. Like, I'm not an very nice. A great fruit would be very nice. I've had orange flavored vape things and they're surprisingly good. Like, I'm not an orange flavor. To do anything. Oh yeah, right. What is your flavor? In there right now is mango. Mango, I would say, is my quote unquote for her.

I have to say, I have to say, I gotta admit, it is really some like fucking peer pressure. Yeah. Cool club. I do it exclusively because other people are on me. No, my brother was at our house he was in. He's like, I gotta get a jewel. Everybody's jeweling, I gotta get one.

And I was like, why? I was like, you quit smoking years ago. Why? He's like, I just want to do it. And now I'm like, I don't want to do it. I honestly can't even get, like I think I'm lacking the gene that like, it dicks you to nicotine

because I actually don't even like it and I don't like the feeling that much, it dicks you to nicotine because I actually don't even like it and I don't like the feeling that much, but it's funny to send people videos of yourself, like, you're like, I'll take my chance. But you couldn't have your highly addicted to. I'm not. I'll go several days without doing it.

And then I'll be like, you know, it's funny is when you jewel and then like, blow the smoke at the camera and then send the video to somebody and that's what I do. Ryan, have you ever done that? No, I don't. Jewel. Okay.

My parents listen. But like, jewelry, a jewelry, okay, well at any rate. I mean, I guess like, whatever, we're not taught here to talk about vaping, but it's on my mind, because well, you guys are talking about it, but I'm thinking the last 24 hours

I've had to actually think about jeweling. And I don't know, it's definitely bad. I'm sure they're gonna discover that it causes. It definitely causes like brain I don't know, it's definitely bad. I'm sure they're gonna discover that it causes, it definitely causes like brain cancer, but like, it's definitely crazy. It's the cigarettes of our generation. Yeah. Like the old generations were like cigarettes

were their cigarettes. Now there's like a new generation cigarettes and it is perfectly, it's like you charge it. There's like a, it's a USB stick. It's a USB stick. Look at it. Like, that's exactly what it looks like. There's like fancy flavors. It's very USB stick. Look at it. Like, that's exactly what it looks like. There's like fancy flavors.

It's very like apple-y and it's design. It's really sleek. It's all like magnets. Everything's a magnet. Apparently you can get a gold one if you are like a member of some special clothes. That I actually didn't know about until that, until the article that you read on the outline.com.

Check it out. All right, so we're here to actually speaking of Apple. I want to talk about Apple, because KCU have obviously written a lot of that Apple. I've also written a lot about Apple and Apple just had a big event Yes There's two things one they had a big event and they released a bunch of new phones Which is the less interesting thing and then well, it's interesting ish their stuff say and then they also you did an article yesterday This little error on Friday, but on Wednesday, you wrote a story that was basically

somebody had started tweeting that Apple deleted movies they purchased and gave them a couple of rentals as a... So somebody had bought three movies, I mean, who knows how many, but three of the movies that they had purchased through the iTunes store were no longer available to them to watch. And what movies were there? The person never, I actually see them being like, oh, what movies they never responded.

So who knows? Interesting. Princess Diaries, one and two. And anyway, they, so they tweeted that the movies were no longer available to them. And Apple's response was like, sorry. The content, whatever agreement they had with the content provider that put the movies on the platform,

they no longer had that agreement. So they took the movies off the platform. Like if you were to go to buy them now, they wouldn't be available. So they were like, for your inconvenience, we will give you two rental credits. And the person was like, excuse me. Is that even equivalent to the cost of the business?

No, they were like, I mean, they could be, I think Apple has some cheap movies. They're like five to six dollars. Yeah. And the rental credit was up to six dollars. Yeah, but generally, they're like, rental credit if you bought something. But more importantly, they're like 23 bucks.

Like a movie can be really expensive. Right, but most importantly, like when you buy something, you have an expectation that you own that thing. Yes. Regardless of Apple's policies or whatever. Right, the sort of, the sticking point that comes up, which is like two, two apples, extremely dubious credit is stated in their terms of service,

which is that they, one of the features they've been pushing with their platform lately is that you can buy a movie or album any piece of content, and you don't have to store it locally. It used to be like, we bought something you downloaded it. It's yours. If you delete it, it's like it's gone. So they have been promoting their cloud storage where you can delete something from your local computer, phone, or whatever, and it will still be in Apple's quote-unquote cloud, and you can re-download it at any time.

Right, you don't have to have a copy of it. Right. Since they sell laptops with only 128 gigabytes of storage in the entire thing. Right, right. So now, what the terms of service say is that basically content may come and go based on what they're allowed to. So they're not- Who they have a contract. Yeah, like the way things come and go based on what they're allowed to. So they're not the contracts. Yeah, like the way things come and go on Netflix.

But Netflix is like, I pay a fee and I like watch that on demand. Right, access to whatever they're at. And if next week it's that shit's gone, I'm like, well, okay, I mean, I'm paying 10 bucks for all you can eat, situate that. But the whole thing is that iTunes is basically exactly the same. But that's not well understood by anybody. But Amazon's the same, but that's not well understood by anybody. And it doesn't, it's one of the same two, but Amazon's the same too, right? Like, what does Amazon, I mean, Amazon has done this for books.

Yes, yes. I think we covered when I was at the verge, like it was a while ago. They, I wrongly, they deleted copies of 1984, which is a lot of all, which they constantly state is you keep the books forever. That's the big bet. You keep it forever. You can stop paying. I have you keep the books forever. That's the big bet. You keep it forever. You can stop paying us. You keep the book forever.

This seems like a something that should have, there should be a serious class action lawsuit. If the case is that it is up to whether or not Apple or Amazon or anybody else has a distribution deal with, if suddenly tomorrow the Disney distribution deal ends with these companies and like, because Disney is starting their new Disney stuff. Right, and all the shit that all the movies that I bought

disappeared like Reckett Ralph just disappeared. Like I would be very mad. Like, as we said, specifically. Like, they could have some movies anywhere saying you could even switch services. This is your movie. It's not a big deal. Now this is, this was like a thing that was tried,

they tried to, what was this the thing that they were trying to do that was like digital and that was tried, they tried to, what was this the thing that they were trying to do that was like digital and blue ray, you could buy like, it was called like ultraviolet or like, is it ultraviolet? I think so, yeah. Yes, yes. You get a digital copy and you get the physical copy.

Disney was really pushing that. For a while, for when I was like someone who was a little more paranoid and then the minute I stopped being that paranoid, I was like, I'll get into Facebook on the 2016 election app. I also used to just rip the DRM from everything. I purchased that came with DRM,

just in case something happened, and I had every Kindlebook, everything, and I still have all of it up until 2015, 2016 on hard drives, but it wasn't until recently that I was like, oh, these aren't going anywhere. This makes me really want to find an alternative way to have store and watch. Watch.

No, no, no, no. I mean, the physical stuff is a pain in the ass, but like, I'm definitely considering like, torrenting the movies that I've purchased. I know, this does make a strong case for just straight up stealing something versus. Yeah, well, I'll pay for it. I mean, I've said this forever. Not that I'm recommend.

No, but like, pain's fine, but it's not fine if you're like, this is like, I bought the new Madonna record. And then like, I mean, I don't. And then like, somebody snuck into my house and removed the vinyl copy of the record from my house. They're like, sorry, you're not allowed to own this anymore. I don't buy anything anymore. Like, I don't think I've bought a movie.

What do you do? And I rent and I watch on Netflix and like, that's it. See I buy because I'm like, oh I really wanna see Captain America, the winter soldier I didn't see in the theaters and I board and it's available now. You can only buy it. You can only buy it.

That's how they get you. That's right. Which is why I own every Avengers movie even though I don't even like the Avengers that much. That's really sad. Yeah, because I'm like, oh the new event, I'm like Thor Ragnarok. I buy it as well. Okay, then why are you buying them if you don't care them? Cause is that much. That's really sad. Yeah, because I'm like, oh, the new event, I'm like Thor Ragnarok, I'm gonna go.

But why, okay, then why are you buying them if you don't care them? Cause I wanna watch them and then like. And I'm like, you don't care that much. No, I don't care about them. I'm like, I care. I'm available. I care enough to watch them.

Like, it's a Saturday night. I'm sitting in front of the TV, I'm relaxing, I'm like, doing nothing. I'm like, what can I do? It's a brainless exercise. You know, brainless activity. And I'm like, oh, yeah, Thor, I forgot. They finally came out. I'm like, I kinda yeah, Thor, I forgot, that finally came out.

I'm like, I kinda want, like I'm always kind of curious about the comic book movies. Like I'll watch everyone, but like, but I'm not gonna go to the field. I'm not a fan, but I'll watch every single one of them. Yeah, I'm not gonna go to the field. Every single one I can't wait like two months for it to be available for rental or like on HBO or something.

I need to watch it right now. Like, Deadpool, I don't give a shit about Deadpool, but when it was available on demand to buy, I was like, yeah, buy it in my truck. Like, do you even know, is it like everyone around you is talking about it and you, you like have to be part of the conversation? No, I'm just like, no, I just was like raised

on the Tim Burton Batman movies. And so I'm like, naturally, what's happening? I just turned on the flashlight. You just pulled a whole person move for you to put your flashlight on. I do that all the time. I just pulled it all in person, move. For you put your flashlight on. I do that all the time. I see people, and you're not old. I see old people all the time who are walking around

with their flashlights on. Thank you. I've done this too, but like, I see, you just turn it off. I'm just saying, like, I see people who are just out and about. It took me a long time. I had this phone for no joke, probably eight months before I figured out how, once I,

when I turned the flashlight on, how to turn it off again. It's a cool case. what's up with that case? It's from Etsy. Wow, handmade. Like holographic, multi-honed, it's a dream from a holographic.

Is that what it is? I may be snake, some of the tile. Yeah, holographic snakes get as fucking cool, man. Yeah. So, okay, let's get, sorry, how Apple's fucked up, that's a terrible situation. I don't, I, they should do something about it,

or there should be a class action lawsuit. I think the policy should be very simply. If you bought something, you own that copy of it. They can take away your ability, I think, to maybe, I mean, here's my thing. They could take away your ability to like, you know, sometimes they upgrade to like, suddenly we have, HD now, we have 4K. If they're like, you bought the 1080p version, you bought it in 2008. Yeah. The download is here. Like that's okay. This is fun. She did that for a while. I had the village, the M.I. Shombler movie,

which we lost. In 480 pay. Yeah, it's like 480 pay. You paid $20. You being able to buy movies is a crime against you. They upgraded it though to like HD. I'm never gonna say that. The solution that I saw proposed, I think, on Hacker News,

was that they need to like maintain two separate sets of rights. And if anyone bought the movie, that should be one set of rights. And the person can continue to access this body of content. And then for everyone else, you can't buy it anymore. And it just needs to be two separate things on the platform. And they need to subcalling it.

If I'm not buying it, which to me means I have paid for something and now I own it, is buying things. They stop saying free, they start saying get because they have wasn't technically always free. Buying something is a really simple transaction as old as time. It's like I gave you something and in exchange, you gave me something now I own that thing.

So like if it's not that, if it's like I'm borrowing it from you for a while until something happens and then you can take it back. Like call it, call it. That's why they call it. Like the iPhone upgrade. Yeah, because you don't own that phone. It's like extended rental. Yes.

Or like indefinite rental. Right. Right. Anyhow, so I think they just need to change that. That's a crazy policy. We got to start torrenting again. It definitely, I mean, listen, I definitely, they were hard to find. But also, like, group calls, I definitely, they were hard to find.

But all like, group calls, drag race season one was never available anywhere. I watched it, I paid for a while ago for 10 years. I was like, I deserve the right to watch this television stuff. Yeah, and I'm also like, it's in my drive. I was very against, I kind of go back and forth against torrenting whether I'm forward or against it. And of course, I would never actually do it.

But if I were doing it, it would be like, if we have, now we have so many avenues for a piece of content to be available that if it's like, it's not available anywhere, even for money, I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, you know what I got to get it. No, I was a kid with no money and nothing. And you have to download movies illegally and you know what, I got an education in basically

all the criteria on movies, all the music I never heard. There's so many. It's in libraries aren the criteria on movies, all the music I never heard. There's so many libraries are invaluable. There's a better version. There's a movie, there are so many movies that I've had to torrent because you can't get them anywhere and that you can't even torrent. Like wild palms, which I talk about all the time. You know, the DMs I have of people ask me to rip that. I know, I need to, I need to rip it.

But wild palms is an amazing, it's an amazing, I'm actually going to write something about it that's like a longer thing because I talked to Jeremy about it. But it's this amazing, many series from 1993 to write something about it that's like a longer thing because I talked to Jeremy about it. But it's this amazing mini series from 1993 that was on ABC, which is completely insane. It's about like virtual reality and like drugs and politics. It's amazing. It's very cyberpunk and nobody watched it and nobody remembers it. I'm like holding the carrying the torch. I'm like, remember wild pals, anyhow. Josh hates to be the only person who remembers our nose about something Like it's truly favorite. Oh, but I was like, oh, I'll just torn it. It's like nope

You can't turn I had to buy the DVDs. I own it on VHS somewhere and I had to buy the DVDs Which are like 480 I mean, they're very low quality well speaking of niche things that only we know about there's new iPhones Yeah, wow great And they suck in their all $1500. Yeah, so There's new iPhones. Yeah, wow great. Yeah, I know. And they suck and they're all $1500. Yeah, so there's new iPhones just released. The iPhone, new. The iPhone XS. The iPhone XS Max.

I can't believe he's the fuck a day. I know. And the iPhone XR, slower release. Are these not in new release? The slow release iPhone. So okay, here's the models. The XS is the X, but with a faster processor. The XS Max is the X with a faster processor

in a larger screen. Yes. And the XR is the same as the XS except, it's a different size. It's a little bit bigger, I think, but smaller than the excess max. It has an LCD screen, not an OLED screen. And it has last year's water protection

versus this year's water protection, and a different, has an aluminum construction instead of stainless steel. And only one camera not a dual lens. And it does what the pixel does, which is in software processing on portrait mode. Wow. Which is to say,

oh, it comes in six colors. So mode. Wow. Which is to say, Oh, it comes in six colors. So it is obviously the coolest of all the phones. If you have a seven, a seven plus, an eight, an eight plus, or a, or the X, just don't buy this, this is very silly. Yeah. It's very silly. No, I think if you have the eight, if you have this money,

go give it to a poor person the world of that bank. If you have the eight or the eight, if you have the eight or the eight, if you have the eight or the X, there's zero reason. I mean, I guess. Go with the new watch, if you it to a poor person the world of that bank. If you are the A to the A, if you're the A to the X, there's zero reason. I mean, I guess. I guess the new watch, if you want to fucking weird little gadgets that cost too much money, then they release a new watch, which has like a bigger screen.

I, but they also made it bigger. They have, it used to be a 30. They said it didn't, they didn't make it bigger. No, it's a 30, they used to have a 38-millimeter and a 42-millimeter. I will say the one thing I do like about the watch is everyone in my family has a heart condition. And I constantly worry that I'm about to have a heart condition. And just that peace of mind would be, I will say the one thing I do like about the watches ever and my family has a heart condition and I constantly worry that I'm about to have a heart condition and just that piece of mind would be I was as a person who had and was treated for through surgery SVT

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Yeah, that's really cool, right? It's the worst, most terrifying thing in the world when it happens. I was like taken to the emergency room like several times in an ambulance because I was like, oh, I'm dying. And the way they fix it is they put a lathroscopic device through your in artery in your leg, which snakes up through your veins into your chest. And one part of it is a camera, and one part of it is a thing that uses a high-frequency radio wave to burn

out the part of the nerve that is not working properly. No, technology is magical. It's crazy. Don't watch what nothing's that. Don't watch the watch, but a watch would certainly be able to tell you, I mean, you know when you're having a fucking attack a cardia, like, you, you're, it's not a secret. You're like, oh, I'm dying. Like, my heart is about to explode.

That's my real thing with this watch, is that like, it's like purporting to be a kind of medical device, and I'm sure if you were to ask Apple, they'd be like, it is not a medical device. Maybe they would be actually, oh no. I think they're not buying. No, I think this watch has some kind of FDA-verbal. I mean, I'm like, I feel like I can't imagine

it actually working that well. I know, like we, like when I was, I used to work at Wirecutter. Yeah. like when I was why you used to work at wire cutter Yeah, so when I was at wire cutter we actually did a guide to Life Alerts basically like life alert is a brand name, but like medical alert systems life alert is the iPhone I can't get up company even for yeah, even for the purpose driven designed things the fall detection does not work Well, it all well, but I'm sure Apple got it like I mean we'll we'll see I can't wait to see all the hilarious reviews

Probably there's a Thernos' stock at one point I know, but no, but Apple probably got it better than a lot of people because they've got the R&D budget I mean, it's as it's FDA cleared and endorsed by like but here's the thing, but here's the thing about it I have a Fitbit Versa that I bought recently, which I was like, you know what, I'm gonna give this smartwatch thing another try

because Fitbit's got like kind of a different perspective. They're a little bit more, it's just very health-centric. It's not really about like trying to do everything. And I do like it, it has a heart monitor and most of the faces will show you your heart rate like in real time. And what I found is it made me feel super fucking anxious all the time that my heart rate was too high.

Even though my resting heart rate is 80 or a little bit lower, which is cool to find out, like, oh wow, my resting heart rate is this. That's high. No, I think 80's actually pretty low. And I think so. Let's see. My blood pressure is always high when I go to the doctor and the doctor was like,

I can turn to them, and she realized I was just anxious about going to the doctor. What's the average? Rested heart rate for a man ages 35 to 45. Okay, so average. Pretty average. Mine looks like 62. Well, it says it for athletes. It's like 60 in the world.

Mine's definitely like 97 in the doctor's. You're clear. You don't want to, you don't want to go to insurance. But the thing about Google great, by the way, very good job there telling us. But the thing about it is, but when it would go to like 95, if I was like walking or like playing with Zelda or something, I'd be like, oh my god,

wait, am I gonna, is my heart in a free cat? I think I should get really anxious. When I had my episodes, my Taka Cardia, my heart, I have Yaha D G G's where my heart was beating 250 beats a minute, for like 20 to 30 minutes straight. So it's insane. It feels like, it actually feels like, it actually is the closest I think I've ever felt

to what dying would feel like. Yeah. Like, oh, like this, I can't keep going like this. Yeah, I'm talking about sometimes they confuse heartburn, like, agita for you. Yeah. No, it's fucking crazy. But so I get worried. I'm talking about sometimes I confuse heartburn, like, agitaph. Yeah. No, it's fucking crazy. But so I get worried.

I'm like, oh, it's 110, because I'm like swimming or something. And it's like, oh my god, am I gonna have a whirlwind that elliptical? It is specifically, but I think that when you know, there is such a thing as like knowing too much about your body, like you can. No, there is actually studies have shown

that the more tests you get at a certain point, like some, I've reached people will go in for a yearly like do every test ever and they stay for two weeks and they get everything done. Actually, your healthcare gets worse because all the conflicting stuff and then they're stressed and then you start doing treatments

and other tests that are invasive that you don't need. And for hard stuff, they can do a better job doing basically like an algorithm and running like two tests and deciding based on some factors about you. Then they can by doing like every test they have. Because the information is just so complicated and like if one goes wrong.

Yeah. But I have a question. I lost my phone and just got it back today and I didn't have my phone for three days during this app announcement. Oh, God. I had my iPad and I was like, just okay. And I watched this app announcement

and I kept thinking like, do I pay their insurance and get a new phone because I have like insurance on it, or do I, you know, wait by these new phones and I found myself, I did not give a fuck about these new phones. And I didn't give a really that much of a fuck about just getting an iPhone back. I had a little twang. I don't know that they're cool anymore.

I had a little pang, a little twang, I don't know, we call it a little tinge of interest when I saw the colors of the XR. The only thing that interests me is that by colors. They're like colors, like I love colors. I love colors. They're so pretty. But like, it's a inferior phone to the excess

and the excess max and like, and here's the thing that I always- Are your listeners gonna get madty for saying excess and not tennis? I don't know, I'm not gonna say it because everybody knows that nobody's- You're wrong, that's what you think. I'm just giving real to that not gonna say it because everybody knows that nobody's... You're all gonna have to say... I'm just giving really to that.

Do you know any info? Do you know anybody who doesn't say X? I've said 10 pretty consistently. Yeah, whatever. I just never been to any of those XS, so I've started saying X. It's like OSX, I know it's OSX10, but so many people say OSX.

It's just like, because that's what it says. I mean, we don't use Roman numerals in normal life in our normal conversations. My thing about the phones is that, most normal people I feel like who've gotten phones over the last year have gotten the eight. Yeah. A lot of people got the 10.

Not a lot of people got the 10. Even though I would make the case for the time, I'd be like, get the 10. It's like better in so many ways. People still get the eight. It's like people don't even care about the 10 being better than the eight. They're like the eight is a hundred to be the biggest. I don't want the bigger, it's fine.

It's bigger. It's a home button. It's also bigger. It's bigger. It's like a bigger screen. The eight is than the 10. It is like physically not. It's physically bigger.

And it looks bigger. It does, yeah, it looks bigger, but the screen is like the last real estate. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. You get all that extra real estate up near the notch. It's very, yeah, I want to. It's still a bigger, bigger, it looks bigger, but the screen is like the last real estate. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. You get all that actual state up near the notch. It's very gallien on hook. Bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. I look at, I'm so, the biggest iPad is too big.

And any bigger than this, I'm going to fit in my pocket. No. I'm still like, I'm like, go back to the OG iPhone. But the new, but the new, but the new, but the new, but the new bigger, the max is smaller than the eight plus plus, but it has more clearly more screen real estate. And I think if you're an eight or you're like let's say you have a seven plus and you're like an upgrade like obviously upgrade to that. The thing that is most important about all this is that when you get the phone no

matter which one you get when you turn it on it's still a fucking iPhone. It's exactly like every other iPhone. Yeah, there's nothing special about it whatsoever. They all do exactly the same thing. Like the XR doesn't have a 3D touch. Who the fuck cares about 3D touch? Who actually uses it to do? I use 3D touch for like a few very significant things. What are they?

One is sometimes when you are trying to get the cursor in a certain place, it's actually. If the bass freedom is the cursor. What? If you 3D to get the cursor in a certain place. It's the best way to move the cursor. If you 3D touch on the keyboard, you can like move it like that. Oh yeah, that is cool. That is the best. And that works really well and I'm often so frustrated. Also, they have a hard pressing.

I'm notification and popping it open just to like do a quick like get rid of it really discreetly when people are not supposed to have a phone out. It's not bad. You could just do it right between your legs. Yeah. Okay, that's pretty good. There's some things that I do use the work. Never thought about it to be honest with you.

And also, I mean, I always felt like I was under, I was not using it remotely for even half, not even 10% of all the things that it can do, but the things that it can do that I did manage to work into my brain's workflow are really... So it's a device with limited ways of input when you're using your fingers. And the pencil I only use once a week, but I use it for specific things, and I really use it, and now I could not use it. But they say on the XR that they're going to have, they're going to use the haptic engine in some way to emulate 3D touch or whatever,

which to me means they have some form of 3D touch, just not as like whatever, I don't know, a long press, I think. Yeah, right, it's like a long press. Yeah, what is the difference between 3D touch and a long press? You can actually, it's like, like, of course. Yeah, but I mean, it's just like the pencil.

It's just vibrate, it's not really doing that. No, like it can tell if I'm long pressing or if I'm pressing down. Like there's a pressure to it. Like a long press. Yeah. Right. Oh, yeah, sure. Or like with the pencil, it can tell like how much you're putting pressure on the pencil. Yeah, yeah, but it's the same thing. It's like the amount of pressure changes. Okay, fair enough. Okay, fine. You may not remember 3D touch. Do you want to hear about the thing that supposedly they might have cut something from the announcement? Yeah, you said it.

It's not in the keyboard, then. Earlier Casey told me that there was some controversy, there was some thing, by the way, I used to follow these, just wanna say, like you know, both for my job and also because I really gave a shit, I used to follow these, like, oh yeah, like I was in. Obsessively.

I used to, I, when the, our first iPhone announcement came out, sorry, Dan have interrupted you. I was on my sideessively. A church. I used to, I, when the, our first iPhone announcement came out, sorry, I didn't have interrupt to do. I was on my sidekick, my sidekick too, in high school scrolling for updates in the middle of class and like, like getting a million. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Engage it. Yeah. Oh my god. So anyhow, the, wait, whoa, Engage was an athlete announcement. I know it was like Engage, Gizmodo at the time.

And then they weren't invited. Somebody else. We were muscled to the phone. I blogging from, oh, Gizmodo at the time. And they weren't invited. Somebody else. We were mostly vlogging from, I wasn't getting the phone. I know how they did it. I know how they did it. I think they sent somebody, they had somebody who was like a mole

with a phone recording it. We definitely did that. I definitely done that so we could like, I did that at certain events when we, I'm gonna like get one person in and we needed to like get a stranger to help with the transcript, secrets of the gadget, blah, trade,

any help. So all of a sudden, wait a second, I was just gonna say, I used to follow these religiously and this one I didn't even, I like saw it after the fact that I didn't get it. I mean, it was very boring, but there were some interesting sort of like,

logistical missteps it seems like going into it that people were speculating like, did some announcements get cut, did something happen last minute? They, so one thing was that before the announcement started, like minutes before Tim Cook had a DM fail. Oh yeah, I saw this. Where he was like, he said something like,

okay, can you bring it right away? Yes. Or something like that. Like they were missing something. Who knows what it was, but there was no indication of what it was. But they were like, it might have just been like,

I'm like, yeah, my computer. Yeah, people said maybe it was like time to that weird Mission Impossible video they did. Did you see that? And that was so cringey and weird. I didn't watch it, I heard about it. They did like this Mission Impossible opening where there was like this girl like flying in

and she was like using Apple gadgets to get somewhere on time. And like it was like a remote that they're wearing and it was the stupidest thing and he came out being like, you know what, how in Disney you'll see like a short film on a ride and then an animatronic picks up where that was or whatever, he was acting like we just got this in.

That just really happened. It was so weird in Cringey and I was like, guys, Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave. That I mean, I could do one thing and it was like an announcement. Yeah, that's like the Google event where this actually happened where Larry just jumped out of a plane. Oh yeah.

I was at that. I was at that. No, that was real. I remember him with that. He was like live streaming himself, jumping out of a plane. And I was like, you know what I'm sure, no, I definitely don't care.

We're not learning. Because it was a learning. It was a surge. It was surge. One of them. He like, the guy that. We're not hearing. Because it was a little bit. It was a survey. It was a survey. One of them. He like, the guy dived. Is that the way you say it? Sky dove.

Sky dove. Like into the into whatever the fucking thing is in California where they all see that. So did they call it Skydive? OK, so the next piece of information is that I guess during the, I guess during maybe the intro video, there's a clip of a woman wearing, I don't even understand the significance of this

because I don't own AirPods, I don't know the nuance of them, but she was wearing AirPods and she said, hey Siri, and I think the significance was supposed to be that maybe, is there not Siri capability between like, you have to hold it, I think. Okay, so I think like, no, but I think that that,

but that's if you're connected to your phone, right? Is there some suggestion that it would be like phone, son of phone? Like maybe they updated it, or they were planning on updating it and announcing an update like new version of AirPods where you don't have to do that or something. Yeah, where you don't have to touch it.

And it was still in that video, maybe they were hoping to one would notice, but then that- I mean, John has them both until like this week had the, because we have to use it, but John has had money in an envelope for like new AirPods, because he had something he wants and he was tracking this and he was really sure that that was going to happen because whatever, rumor. And then-

What do you mean money in an envelope for new AirPods? Like, he wants to buy a set of AirPods whenever they're updated. Does he have to have that already? No. He's waiting. He was waiting and he like read're updated. And he's like, got to have that already. No. He's waiting. He was waiting and he like read on some rumor thing that was like, there's definitely coming. Well, this is the third thing is to like look at all

of the things that they did not talk about during this announcement. No eye cloud, no AirPods. There was many, many people asking after the air power, which is was there gonna be there like wireless charging map. Yeah. What is that? They made an initial like, which is, was there gonna be their wireless charging map? Yeah. What is that? They made an initial, like, this is coming soon.

I don't even know when, at WWE, see? It was like, you know, it was when they announced the wireless charging. So it's been on the website, as like a thing that's like coming soon, and I think now it's gone. But I think there's someone tweeted that there's still, it's still like in some product

image, but not like identified as what it is. So it's everyone's sort of curious about, and then also the presentation had a lot of, it was, it was short for an Apple presentation. I think it was like a tight 90 minutes, which is short. Sometimes they're like three hours. They go on. But it was still a tight 90 minutes, which is short. Sometimes they're like three hours. They go on. But it was still at a lot of padding. I had that mission impossible thing. They spent a long time talking about recycling, which is like not they're not actually there are strong suit. They're pretty good at it.

They recycle they do recycle, but the way that gadgets get recycled is like not good because the batteries are glued in, the devices explode. They require, uh, extremely red metals to make in the first place. Like they're not, it's just not, it's like you can recycle them, but like at what cost a humanity. Um, you actually have to give people die while recycling. So yeah, so it's like, it's, it's not, it's not great, but it was like, it just a lot of extended stuff.

I mean, they always have like, presentations, but here's some cool apps that came out on the next year. But there was a lot that they didn't talk about that would have made sense to talk about in the context of the watch and in the context of iPhones. And they just like kind of didn't address any of it. Alexis Madrigal wrote a piece for the Atlantic. I don't know if you read it at all. It was like, everything is worse, but the iPhone is better. And it was basically like, you know, things are really bad, but like,

for 90 minutes, we're going to be like, we're going to watch ad-bots. I didn't see this. Right. Yeah, I was like, you know, mostly in offense of people come out and tell you about how improved the iPhone is. And I thought it was actually, it's pretty good. I mean, his point is like very on, it's very, it's a, he's very on point, I think, with it. It's like, it's kind of like, even if the iPhone did something really spectacular this year, even had like a really cool feature,

I have trouble generating excitement about kind of any new gadget that's like a slight iteration. Well, that's what, yeah, that's what it is. And a slight iteration that costs so much more money and I feel like every year, it becomes more and more, when I was younger and it had like funny money that I was like, my work, two jobs in college. I was like, oh, this is fun, this is what I'll save up for.

And now when it's like $1,500, I'm like, that is an actual rent. And for like a thing I don't need, and all it does is make me think that like, they aren't even making products for like me or everyone anymore, unless you're willing to like sign over your soul at $60 a month. Right, I feel like we're adding to a point where like,

it used to be the upgrade cycle, like every two years like made sense. But I feel like if I had a eight right now, I don't know that I would feel compelled to like give one of these amounts. And you use the smartphone for more than 13. We've been using it seven and like, it doesn't seem dramatically different than anything.

Like the whole pot is 500 bucks or? They don't make products for me anymore. Like I can't afford them and I'm not going to be able to for the first time in the future. It's just so ridiculous in the context of the company too that now they have like more money than God, the most wealthy company like in. With the biggest cash pile I think. Like they have the most cash,, the most wealthy company. With the biggest cash pile, I think.

They have the most cash, but they're still not. They're still making things that are, the products are not getting anymore affordable. Well, they want to maintain this air of exclusivity, which is very valuable. Right. It's a great, enormous value for them, because it's like, they become these objects of desire or...

But part of me too was like, I thought about doing a post about this and then I did some back of the envelope math and I was like, this doesn't quite make sense. But like someone, I saw someone say like, like the Apple Watch, having all these health features just makes it, makes everything easier for people who kind of forward the Apple Watch, which is the very few and doesn't help the people who need it the most, which is like the vast majority who can't like afford however many hundreds of dollars monitor for their risk.

But it was kind of like it made me wonder like if Apple just like gave a watch to everyone over the age of like 65 like how much would that cost them like probably I think actually not all of their money. They can't do it. I mean their I mean, their whole vibe of like, now it makes me, I'm kind of in their ecosystem with my computer and my phone. So like, and when I need anyone, maybe that's probably where I'm gonna go, but I'm gonna consider other options. But when the AirPods came out,

all I could think was like, my Bluetooth headphones cost $30, they sound great. They last all day, they're waterproof, and I can replace them if I lose them. And my friends, the last AirPods, and all I can think is like, this company doesn't cater to me, and I don replace them if I lose them. And my friends that lost AirPods and all that, I think is like, this company doesn't cater to me and I don't want their things.

Like they're turning me off, and I'm the person who would actually splurge. It's like the don't have money. It's like the don't have money. Yeah, I'd be more, in the keyboard thing. It's like, I'm happy to have spent a lot of money on an Apple product if I feel like they're actually being thoughtful.

I feel like there's a lot of thoughtlessness that's happening that company lately. Just like a lot of thoughtlessness that's happened in that company lately. Like just like a lot of sloppy, I mean the notch, I mean sorry, say what you will. Like I don't think the notch is actually a good design decision. Like I think that it is, it's still to me, I don't understand why it's better

than just having like an extra two millimeter. I don't think anyone says it's better. Well no, I know, it's just like, just, you mean filling it in all the size. I'm saying that, no. I'm saying like, I know, it's just like, just. You mean, you mean filling it in all the size? I'm saying that, filling it in. I'm saying like, you know, make the screen at the top, there's just a little bit more of black at the top of the screen.

Yeah, fill it in now. Fill it in. And then it'd be like a extra couple of millimeters of black where the cameras are or whatever at the top, which is practical on a thousand different levels like and doesn't change anything about the functionality. But my understanding is like they did it because they wanted the iPhone to be distinguished

from Samsung phones or from the Pixel, which are already full screen. I mean, that kind of makes sense to me. Yes, but that's a decision based not on making a better product, it's a decision based on wanting to differentiate it. I mean, I truly, when I look at my phone, I don't see it, so it doesn't bother me.

So the other two things that were not touched upon, I said I cloud AirPods, beats and Apple music, also not. Oh yeah, I mean, beats and Apple music, I mean, what, they just people just accidentally get it. And that's it. Beats they never really talk about, I feel like, but Apple music, I feel like, should be an area of initiative for them.

How is it not redesigned at this point? Like, the design is terrible. They have a lot of celebrity collaborations. Like, there's things to talk about there theoretically. I've opened it recently trying to figure out if I should try to use instead of Spotify. And I found, Spotify is a disaster in different ways, but I've found that everything that Apple Music is doing

is done worse in a more complicated way. Yes, yes, yes. Less fun and less intuitive and less part of my actual listening experience. Apple music is doing is like done worse in a more complicated way. Yes, yes. Yes. Less fun and less intuitive and less like part of my actual listening experience. Yep. And they sell this like iTunes music thing going on where it's like there's music at whatever. I mean, that's a whole bunch of math.

No, they're very bad. They're services are very bad. I think their apps are pretty bad. I mean, the other thing is that I know some people and there was reason to believe that this wasn't going to happen and then it didn't, but that people were hoping to get the new computers announced out of this, like a new, like changes to the lineup of like we just got the new MacBook Pros, but but haven't they? The MacBooks are old now. The MacBook Air is still like a weird bit for the product. There's a big rumor that they're going to do like an air with a higher

resolution display. Right. But like isn't, don't think doing an event in October? I feel like I'm going to say that I had an- I was revisiting this with my friend yesterday who is like me waiting, just waiting, hoping she can buy a new computer soon. Yeah. And basically every other year, they do an October, like a late October event where they announce new computers. Which is like iPads and computers.

Yeah. And they're due for new iPads. Which I remember going to, because I was like, we were just fucking out here for an iPhone thing. Like, why can't you just do it all at once? It's like a holiday thing. I feel like, no, I feel like it has to do actually

with the, when the chip architecture comes out and when they can like integrate it into the computers and iPads versus like the mobile, the more mobile devices. You know, it's honestly just sitting here talking about it, it just makes me, it's hard to care. It's hard to care about what happens to us. I mean, all I want is for these computers

to not have the keyboard that they have. I'm like, if I could do something. But then you have an error, that keyboard's okay. That's the old keyboard. I'm not saying this is generally a keyboard, but like. The MacBook, the new ones, the pros. I mean, I have one that I got and I've been using it. And I first of I can feel a break in it,

which I'm talking about. I can actually. You have the 2018, the one that just came out. Not the one that just came out, the older, the last model. Okay, okay. And second, I went to my, I was typing on my surface the other day. Like I switched back to my surface for some reason.

I mean, I go back and forth because, like, I get bored of the, I get bored of max on my practice. But the guy, the keyboard's so good. It's like so nice to type on. It has so much like travel. It's like a keyboard. Like these are like a keyboard. Like you can feel the keys being depressed.

Right, yeah. Every time I see, every time I'm typing, or I hear someone typing on the MacBook on the newer ones, I'm like, what's wrong? Like why are you so angry? They're like, I'm not. It's just the sound of these keys. Sounds like you're like smashing them.

They're so loud. They hurt to type on. They're real loud. They're like hard on your fingers. It just sucks. So bad. All right, anything else we should type about the Apple before you go?

Any other important? I didn't have anything else. I don't think. No, that's it. It was very boring. Very boring situation. I was funny. I made fun of them making a bigger iPhone and people. There's still, I was very boring. Very boring situation. Yeah. I was funny.

I made fun of them making a bigger iPhone and people. I was reminded there are still Apple fanboys in the world. Oh my god. How could you make fun of, still making fun of Apple I see? And they're also like always like Swedish or something. Like, you know, like weird Norwegian people who are like, how dare you? I mean, I feel like I used to be, I used to like really live in fear of the Apple fanboys and that was part of like what,

the site that I worked at, like we had a lot of like don't try it, like don't give them, don't give them, don't give them anything. Like we got to pretend to be like impartial, like giving everything a fair shake, but now I'm like, I've loved Apple, I've been hurt by Apple, I will say whatever I want about Apple. I'm like, I've loved Apple, I've been hurt by Apple,

I will say whatever I want about Apple. I've done both. I'm also the richest company there. Like I have fanboys look up into my mentions about more about video games that's changed. I get a ton of shit about like if I tweet, then a ton of switch doesn't do this it should or like Sony did this stupid thing. And I will have like multiple people and I'm like, are they paying you? It's a fucking thing.

No, it's so weird. It's so weird. No, no, no. But that's a really good point though, is that they used to, even like, I don't know, not quite 10 years ago, maybe a little longer, 15. They were, they were an underdog. Yes, and it's in our lifetimes.

And I like to read for an underdog. Apple pre-iPhone. And now they're like, they weren't, they weren't the company, they are pre-iPhone. So you could say like about a decade ago, things really started changing. I mean, they were not the most valuable company in the world. They were making good money. They certainly were doing a lot of things, right? Yeah, no, that was something I always perceived about Apple fanboys. Apple themselves, actually, like when you would deal with their PR people in the Steve Jobs era,

they still had this personality that was like, we're the underdogs and you're trying to beat up on us and we're actually, you know, we're doing amazing world changing stuff and why don't you give us a break? And it's like, no, you guys are like defending like, suicides, the Foxconn factory because like, you know what I mean? And like, you're being like, not magnanimous about it at all. They're like, hey, there's suicides all over the place. Like, what's the big deal? So, you know what I mean? Again, Bill Gates is off curing diseases in Africa and like, Microsoft is like, we'll give you the product, like, whatever cost you want to,

we'll be the accessibility. Microsoft doesn't do some great stuff. Yeah, but they all start like, they're not amazing. They're not amazing, but they're like, you want to build a hospital, like you better make sure the hospital's running Microsoft stuff.

You all start. You know. But I mean, just in a comparison, like that Apple is like, hey, hey, we had a tough time in 1997. They did have a tough time, but they are also like the biggest company in the world now. And like the fanboys, I don't get any, I do not get any fans of anything.

I honestly don't. No. I like weird things. I don't like things enough to defend them to other people on the internet. I just don't. Josh, I'm sure I could think of something that you defend rationally. No. I'm sure I could think of something that you defend rationally.

No, I'm sure I could. Just try. You literally can't feel like you literally just the other day. You were like, what? I don't remember. You literally can't think of anything because I don't care about any, like, thing that exists to defend it. Like, I'd be like, yeah, that's good design or something.

What about wild poms? Yeah, it's good, but I'm not going to go on Twitter and be like, how dare you, because then we talk for wild poms, so I have to worry about it. But what if they did? What if they were like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like? Yeah, it's good, but I'm not going to go on Twitter and be like, how dare you, because then we talk about wild poms, so I'd have to worry. But what if they did? What if they were like, what if they were like, what if they were like, what if someone was like, I went through hell and high water to watch the show and it's like completely mediocre. Yeah, I'd be like, yeah, I mean, it's kind of not for everybody. I mean, it's definitely an acquired taste.

I mean, I don't, like, I don't expect people to agree with me on my, almost anything. Okay. I'd be like, the outline's ugly. I'm like, okay, that's your pain. I think this might actually be a factor too. I mean, like, obviously, these people still exist. But I feel like it did use to happen more. And it was more a factor of like, just the ability of some,

like being on the internet and being able to encounter somebody who just had nothing to do with you and had completely opposite opinions. You're just like, how does this person exist? And now it's like, now we're all there. And we're like, the world is wide and full of. No, and also, it's like, now we're all there. The world is wide and full of stories. And also a lot of those people, off 50,000 accounts get out of your mind.

And a lot of those people have upgraded to like, it's like, I honestly think there's a real lineage between like from fanboy to like in cell or like fanboy to a fucking MRA or fanboy to Trump supporter or whatever. Like I think there's a real path of like, fanatical thinking that leads you to like worship of single thing as a as a love thing about the people's opinions.

Oh right, and also like in front of you then. And confronting people digitally about it. Like it's one thing to love Apple. You be like, I'm the biggest Apple fan in the world. It's not like it'd be like, how dare you. How dare you not love Apple also. Yeah. Like I'm gonna take you to jazz that's very, that's very specific personality type. Anyhow, you had the last change.

Everyone's a fanboy now. I think that's the important thing. I do need to go. Okay, Casey, this is great. Ericka reminds me, happy hour only goes to 6 p.m. at the place we're going. So you're doing happy hour. We're doing happy hour.

Well, have a happy hour. Have a Vesper, have a Vesperper, have a Vesper for me. Vesper. You know what a Vesper is? Oh my gosh, I know what a Vesper is. Oh my gosh, they're so good. They're in, it's like James Bond. James was invented by a...

That's like being like, do you know what, like an app, that is or something, I guess. Oh what? Like the Star Wars things that walk. The ATAT. Yeah. That I think it's called ATAT. I don't know.

I'm sure your podcast is worth it. It's over, no, that's sad. It's super bummer. It's super bummers. I don't know. I'm sure your podcast was nice. I know, I'm sorry. Excuse me, ma'am. Let me tell you, thank you, Kasey. Goodbye. Yes, it really was. You can't get out.

Oh, God. We're trapped in this room. Okay, Kasey had to run, but we didn't want to not do our things. Good thing. We got to end on a good thing. No, good things. So we're calling it. Do we have a name for this? We should give it a name. It's. Good thing. We got to end on a good note. Good things. So we're calling it. Do we have a name for this?

We should give it a name. It's called Good Things. Good things. Things from the internet and or real life that we have been enjoying and that might give you some food for thought about stuff you could enjoy. Ryan, do you want to go first? Sure. So David Rackoff was a writer who was a friend of a friend and I was recommended that I should

read his book of essays a few years ago and write when I did, he passed away. So I immediately jumped on it and read it so I would have context. And I was obsessed with him. It was, he's such a good writer. Extremely sharp, extremely funny. He was cynical, but not in a bad way. He was really, really intelligent.

And he had three books of essays and a novel written in the form of a poem. And it was just about creativity. And when you're a creative person and you spend a few years not creating why you did it and what it means and how it might inform your work. And it was just amazing writing that I would really recommend anybody read and pick up. And my favorite of his books is Half Empty, but any David or Akov Off books are good, and they're on Audible and he reads them and it's really nice to hear them in his voice. So I jumped back it into those this week because I needed a little pick me up and it did the trick. So I recommend you go seek one of those out and get back to me. I got you. That out. Sounds really good. I got you. I

mean, it's a lot of many books? There's three books of essays in one book that was a novel and in poem form. He's kind of like David Sederis. And what's the one verse? Was it even darker and like more gritty and like? What's the top, like you can learn? My favorite one was called Half Empty. Half Empty.

Okay, sounds like beat. Fraud was his first one and the most like popular. Oh, I think I've heard of that. Okay, I got two things. One is, so I've been, I wanted to like, I don't wanna use the term redecorate, but our bedroom is like very plain right now. Like we moved into this house a while ago,

a couple of years ago, and you go room by room, I've been out a lot of time to spend on like, I love interior design, as you know, and perhaps the listener knows, it's kind of my hobby. And so I've been thinking about ways to change our bedroom. And one of the things I've been looking at, it's like nightstands. I've done this before, I've looked at a lot of nightstands.

But the bedroom, a bedroom is made up of very few pieces, right? It's like a bed, nightstands, maybe an occasional table, maybe a chair. And then it's like you're bedding, like you might put an area rug, what's the art like? It's like, you know, all, of course, all rooms have a couple, but like a living room has a lot of stuff in it. You know, a lot, like there's storage, there's maybe a bar.

You can tell a whole story. There's so far, there could be two sopas, there's a several chairs, there's tape, all sorts of tables, all sorts of lights. bedrooms don't have that much stuff in them typically, and you want it to be relatively like streamlined, you know. Anyhow, so I've been looking at nightstands, and I think there's something that I've discovered the kind of singular joy of thinking about

how this one thing can change a room and looking at and imagining those different scenarios of, I know it seems minor, but it's actually kind of like, it's very relaxing, very, just this kind of very focused thing to do, to just look, eventually you can do kind of get like burn out on it. You look at so many nightstands at once, but I've looked at a lot of like vintage nightstands

based on what I've been going through, like Etsy and going through eBay and going through like all these weird like auction sites and antique sites and stuff. So I think that's a good, that's a good like internet thing to do, like go on the internet, think of one thing that you wanna change in a room if you're thinking about like doing any of interior decorating or design. It's just interesting

to play out those scenarios. The second thing is red wine. I'm a heavy drinker. I love the drink. A big vodka drinker. Lately, I've been drinking Vespers, which are vodka. It's a James Bond. It was invented in a James by, by what is the author's name? Who's the lemon? Ian Fleming, thank you. If Vesper is gin, Lela Blanc, which is a, almost like an aperteif, and vodka shaken over ice with like a lemon twist, very good, delicious,

very strong, will fuck you up. Two of those and you're gonna be fucking drunk. Great. And I'm big, you know? Yeah. So, I've been drinking those. I've been drinking French 75s, which is like champagne and gin, which also will fuck you up after like two or three of them. And so I've started drinking red wine. It's also getting a little bit cooler, so it's kind of like fall time. And I gotta say, like, it's really nice to have like a couple of glasses of wine and feel pleasantly buzz, but not completely smashed out of your mind

and then go to bed. So I've been malowing out with red wine. I think it's a good move. Yeah, no, I love that. I like that. I'm reading a book and then at some point you get really sleepy. I was ready for summer to end, but now I'm pretty excited about that. I'm done.

I would like a few more days of warm weather. Nope. I'd like a few more days of warm weather. Nope. I'm out. I'd like a few more 90 degrees. I want to try to score down. No, not a hurricane. No, with raining so much. No, it's been so good for me.

It's been so good for so much. So good for me. No, okay. All right, that's it. That's it. That's it. That's our show. Do the best. Well, that is our show for this week.

We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best, though I've just been told that your family was going to be announced at Apple's event and for some strange reason were removed from the schedule. So it's like, we don't know when we're going to see them. Thank you.