Tomorrow - 133: Erika Allen and the Goths

Episode Date: September 21, 2018

This week's episode is jam-packed, with Josh and Ryan sorting through Bert and Ernie's sexualities, Brett Kavanaugh and Woody Allen both being unsavory dudes, Kanye West continuing to Kanye West, and Space Jam. Then they're joined by The Outline's executive editor, Erika Allen, to discuss The Emmys, astrology, and what exactly is going on with the goths that voted for Trump. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow. I'm your host Josh Winsfolski. Today in the podcast we discuss nature, Libras and Batman's dick. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. Well Ryan, another week, another beautiful beautiful so much week another Five days that felt like seven. Well, it's it's probably my four days So anything could happen on day five of the seven days since we did this seven days since Yeah, but you know what I'm saying the week is Monday through Friday There's a weekend On a weekend it's Saturday and Sunday and we don't do this.

Mm-hmm. But things happen on Saturday and Sunday. So much things happen. I don't know what happened last Saturday and Sunday. I'm not going to worry about it. Let's say I put it happen this week. A lot of stuff. First off, bombshell video from Kanye on TMZ. This is Thursday. So you'll be here on this Friday. By Friday, who knows what'll happen, but bomb shove video from Kanye, where he is mad at, he's mad at Drake for insinuating that he had sex with Kim Kardashian. And he's

mad at Nick Cannon, who I think did have sex with Kim Kardashian prior to her marrying Kanye West. And Kanye is mad because I think, I mean, my impression of what he's saying is like, I don't know, it's very male, very man. Muchismo. Yeah, like man owns this property, doesn't want other people talking about his property. He's like Nick Cannon.

Like he says something like Nick Cannon, like you should have respect for me or something like that or like respect that it's, you know, something about like, I don't know, it just felt very like, if Kim is mad, she should talk about it. Yeah. I don't know that she needs to come, I mean, whatever, Kanye also seems completely unhinged.

He's like, now that I'm out of the sunken place, it's like, are you? Like I haven't heard you reject, actually reject Trump. Any He's like, now that I'm out of the sunken place, it's like, are you? I haven't heard you reject, actually reject Trump. Any sentence that starts with now that I'm out of the sunken place is not gonna go anywhere well. It's like, here's the thing about Kanye, okay? I still haven't heard him, oh, all that maguestop, all that Trump is great.

You know, like I was fucked up and that, you know, like we're uninformed and now I know better. Well, when he keeps talking, I mean, in this video, he's talking about how he was like medicated or wasn't medicated or whatever the fuck it is. It's like, I'm sorry, Kanye cannot be, I never really was like, it's Kanye. Let Kanye do his thing and he's just being,

you know, he's just trying to, whatever, like Trump's so bad in racist. And for like Kanye, who has been so outspoken about racism in America to embrace somebody like that and to be used by those people as a symbol of how like Trump is supported by the black community or any community of people of color. Like it's been very bad.

I think it's very bad for Kanye. It looks very bad and ignorant of the reality of the situation. You know, he's like, I just want to bring people together and it's like, this guy literally is doing everything he can to separate people, like actually physically from a policy perspective, separating families.

Like, you know, and so I haven't heard Kanye be like, hey, actually about all that stuff, sorry. But now he's like mad at Nick Cannon because like Nick Cannon talked about Kim Kardashian in an interview. I'm not saying he shouldn't be mad. He's right to be mad. He has an A-list celebrity of over a decade,

married to an A-list celebrity of an over a decade. Like at a certain point, if you don't have the thick enough skin for people to like make shitty comments and sub-tweet songs, you could. And he literally, did he literally take it to TMZ with like a selfie, it was like a selfie video. The he literally take it to TMZ with a selfie video? The air release in TMZ is the most unsettling thing

because that's a terrible place. RV 11 is a maga nightmare monster person. And there's a Trump guy. Oh, and that's why all of TMZ is always bent to Trump narrative. And it's just very, the whole thing is so ugly and weird and he's just in such a warped place. I don't really even know.

Where we go. I find that very troubling. Anyhow, so that's, so that was today Kanye's like, you know, mad and he's like yelling at people and you know, it's just one of those things too. Also, he's like talking about these kind of, it is like particulars of like, you know, push, like he's like push a tee, like I know he was gonna do

this thing on my track or maybe I shouldn't have let him do this thing on my track. He's like, he's like, push a tee. Like, I know he was gonna do this thing on my track, or maybe I shouldn't have let him do this thing on my track. He's like, he's like, but Drake, I didn't tell him anything about your baby. And it's like, what are we, like, why are you, why are you having this conversation? Like, why are you having it here? Yeah, why? You want to have like, signal?

It's like, it's like, no, yeah, it's just talk to each other. You're grown, ask people. Mm-hmm. You're grown-ups. You have kids. Have a very private conversation that, like, del're grown-ups, you have kids. Have a very private conversation that deletes itself,

and they don't know. That's the thing, it's like this is publicity. This is Kanye trying to get publicity. Kanye really likes attention. I think more than anything what's annoying about it is actually like him just trying to be like, please look at me right now. I want the public eye on me for some reason.

Anyhow, so there's that, oh, he also, by the way, I'm not interested. Well, other people got attention off of what he sees as his stuff. And that makes him mad. And he's like, I want an equal amount of that. Yeah, here's the other thing. Related, not related, but somewhat related. He put a thing on his Instagram,

which I was actually going to tweet about. And, and, and, uh, Carolyn Moss, who, uh, is a great, uh, is a great, uh, brain, and also Twitter personality, who is a great brain and also Twitter personality, who I really should follow. Anyhow, she tweeted something about it. And it's like Kim's like, yeah,

we should be able to turn off the likes and the follow, like who's following and how many likes and whatever. And she's like, yeah, sure, Kim. And I'm like, yeah, this is exactly what we need to do in social media, but nobody's really, like Kanye is like, yeah, this is a great idea. It's a bend from Snapchat, whoever that is.

But like, yeah, it is a great idea, but like, are you, these are the people telling us that, like Kim Kardashians, the one that's telling us to be, you literally would be, you literally, and Kim, you literally would be, if there was a system that existed like that, you could not have gotten as far as you are.

Yeah. Anyhow, so it's typical celebrity stuff. But there's so much news this week. Yeah, well, it happens. There's so much stuff happening. We have so much stuff. We'll see it. Let's just go through it.

Our Burton Ernie Gay took over Twitter for yesterday and everyone involved in the show and development gave their problematic two cents. So here's the thing. Here's what I saw. So the guy who created the characters, I believe, was like, yeah, I always kind of like wrote these as like a gay couple.

And then the show was like, Frank Oz was like, I don't know about that one. Well, I know, but the show issue to statement that was like, they don't have sexual preferences because they're muppets or sexual orientations because they're muppets. But all the straight muppets do. But like, there are plenty of muppets in relationships

that have girlfriends or boyfriends or whatever. And, but more to the point, I'm torn on this. On the one hand, I don't care. That's the first thing. It's like, I mean, I can't, you don't have to do. I'm saying, no, no, I'm saying like, I want there to be a gay couple. No, no, no, I'm saying kids can see.

What I mean by I don't care is like, if they're gay, cool, if they're not fine, whatever. Like, but you should, you should say, I think that, that's like when people say like, I don't care, the whole like, I don't care if you're gay, it's not my business thing. It's like, but a lot of people do care. So if you don't mind, you should care. I don't, I'm in support of, I'm in support of, of a homo foe.

I'm, no, I mean, it's a part of, I'm not trying to trap you here. I'm not saying, I'm saying that, I'm saying that as far as burdener any are concerned as characters, just I'm saying for me, whether they're gay or not doesn't change how I feel about burdener any. Sure. And or the show itself. But maybe it should be. If you should like, if tomorrow there was a statement that was like, yeah, they had more value.

If they're like they're gay, if there was a statement, I'd be like, all right, cool. You know, great. But we should have more. I like the fact we have a good representation, gay people being represented in our media. That's great. I also am also like, there's a part of me, okay, I hear what you're saying. But there's also a part of me, it's like,

just from the perspective of, I don't know, this is probably like, it's tough. If the perspective of, I don't know, this is probably like, it's tough. Like, if that was the way he wrote the characters, I don't know why they had to issue a statement, like refuting it. That doesn't seem necessary. That sounds weird, corporate. Like, why bother?

Does that say anything? Like, what's the concern that people are going to boycott the show because the characters are gay? Like, you're an HBO. I think you're going to be fine. Yeah, are we really still doing HBO now? You're an HBO now? Our house, our house, our house HBO and PBS. How sensitive is the business model of Seth's mystery? Are people still boycotting things?

Some other tickle me all along. Because there's gay characters. Is that a thing that's happening? No, that doesn't happen. No. Maybe like the deep south of the country. Disney channel has gay characters. Like we're at a, yeah.

Gatines. Gatines. They've got gay teens, they've got gay parents. Like that at a certain point. Really? Just shut the fuck up and be like, Burton or whatever. Here's the thing.

I think that I have always thought that they were gay. I think that they were gay. I think that's how they had an episode with two moms. So that was a big one. I have always thought that they were gay. I've always wanted them to just be done with it and be the assumption. I think that's been the assumption.

Oh, we're doing odd couple TV show where like, they're actually, like that, all that stuff would be interesting and cool. And like, I think the subtext has been there for so long, like, let's make a text. But I did see a tweet and I like this perspective. Maybe they are both gay and their best friends. They don't have to be in a relationship.

Whatever, like, we never see that. That's interesting. They don't sleep together, do they? Nope, that's a really great solution that maybe they should have done. They're gay. They're just not in a relationship with each other. They're just best friends.

They're like Jack and Will. Right, two gay guys can live together. Yeah. And not be in a relationship. each other. They're just friends. They're like Jack and Will. Like two gay guys can live together. Yeah. And not be in a relationship. Yep. Right. Oh, that's interesting. I like that idea. That'd be a real curveball. Yeah. It's like, yes. Actually, they're both completely gay. Yep. But not with each other. Mm-hmm.

Gay with other people. Exactly. Yeah. Like, uh, that's kind of funny. Um, look, all I'm saying is this. And then I'm like, kind of like, uh, then we've had so much Kermit and Miss Piggy, honestly, honestly, I wish it was a thing where, I mean, it doesn't matter, but I wish that there's statement, in a way I wish there's statement were true, which is like, these are just, they're just puppets.

Like, we're not gonna try to, including the straight ones, or whatever, you know, misspeaking in terms of- What the, it's already done, like we already got miss. No way I wish that, I know way that Iaking in terms of. It's already done. No, I know that. I know where I wish that I know way that I wish we were like, let's just like, I love it Disney Princess movie with no like relationship. Like Moana had no love interest for her.

That's great. Right. Like it doesn't matter. Kids really do not care about watching two people cast. Exactly. Like there's other stuff going on that like they can be doing that where it doesn't, it's not about relationships. Yeah, but I do think that we should be representing all

identities. We should represent all forms of relationships and making and and being and and striving to normalize, not the right word, but like it should not be a big fucking deal. There's literally an HIV positive muppet so that they can have that discussion about health and about safety and about, and it was introduced in the early 2000s. Yes, and because lots of kids, a large percentage, a sizable percentage of kids are born HIV positive.

So they're having that discussion so that kids can understand friends or it's also disabled muffits. And that's all great. They should have, and it shouldn't be so weird if you are able to have discussion about HIV, you should be able to have a discussion about like, these are two people who are gay and they have this identity and these sensibilities and whatever. And I feel like, I feel like why not just be like, if I were Sesame Street, I'd be like,

yeah, so what? Bye. Like, let's move on. Yeah. Like, why do we even have to tell? Why has Miss Peking not been on drag rates? That's my question. No, it's fine. I think it's fine if the creators like, yeah,

like I always wrote them as a gay couple and that's how they, that's what I envision these characters. It's a, or whatever, gay friends, whatever. And it's like, I think, I think what made it weird is the statement. Yeah. It's like, you could have just actually said nothing. You know what they never did on Bewetched?

Even though Elizabeth Montgomery was a huge supporter of gay activism in gay rights. At a time when it was not popular, they had Uncle Arthur on and he was obviously gay and they never brought it up because it was for Uncle. And he was, he was, it was pretty weird. I remember, I don't remember Uncle Arthur. Um, you don't remember Uncle Arthur? Not at all. But I barely remember that show. Okay, well, he was fantastic.

I mean, in his show that was off the air, or clothing, or whatever. It was like, it was like clothing, or whatever. But it wasn't relevant to any of the stories, so like, I get it if it doesn't come up, but it doesn't mean you should exclude gay people altogether, or act like there's- I don't know, are you telling me there are no gay characters in Sesame Street? Nope.

So that's weird. Like, you don't need to make Burton Ernie gay necessarily. It doesn't have to be the guys who live together, but like, there should be some representation of like, not just straight people. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's so obvious that Bert and Ernie are coded to be a gay couple that they're literally

a hip-hop Broadway musical that's still running for 20 years about it. I don't remember, like here's the thing, I don't remember that much about Bert and Ernie in terms of their like, I know they live together. I think they sleep in the same room, but when separate beds, which definitely is.

They take bubble baths together. Like, but lots of kids take bubble baths together. They're just their sexual life. I'm just saying, like, at a certain point, I'm into connotation. I also, like, are they supposed to be adults? Yeah, I think we're like in a weird place with that. We're like, I don't, are they adults? They're adults with like child like sensibilities,

whereas Elmo is an actual child. Easy. Like Grover is an ad more of an adult than Elmo is. Like the, what's his name? Oscar, he's an adult. Yeah. Oscar the Grouch, that's the guy who lives in the garbage can, right? Yes.

And like Bertner, he's going on their own shopping and he's either a Bill's. And our part is that Elmo has like crayons and people up there. I was just reading this. It's like he has a girlfriend. I remember this. He was like Garbageena or something. Yeah.

Which is so good. It's great. Up. Apparently the count has a bunch of ladies. I'm sure he has a hair. That would Dracula's do. I mean, I guess so anyhow. Well, I say let Bert or Nihagula.

But it's also like to me, there is also something that first off, it should not be a big hurdle at this point to just be like Yeah, we have gay characters like here. We're literally at each beyond the Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I'm saying about like I don't care meaning like I don't it's like why is this a big deal for you a big deal I also but I also am like It's like why does it have to be a thing? I think making it a thing now makes it even stranger for the whole It's like just let it be. One of their original puppeteers or whatever

was asked about it and his statement was, I don't know if Bertner and your gay, but I had a toured relationship with the man in the back of the snuff love, I guess, to Puppet Seed for 10 years. Did he say that? It was wonderful. That's like, slay bitch.

That's insane. So that's got our other news. All right, what else? Yeah, we're not barely turning this bed. A long time for her. SUNY PREVENT. Oh yeah All right. Other news. All right. What else? We're not barely sure if it's been a long time for me. Tony Previn. Oh, yeah.

Right. Well, this is, okay. The Suni. Woody Allen. So New York magazine. New York magazine. New York magazine published an interview with Suni Previn done by a close friend of Woody Allen. Yeah.

A close friend of the family of them of Woody Allen and Tony. And you know, it's, it's, it's, we publish a, a piece about it yesterday, Laura wrote about it, and I have to say reading her piece kind of put, I mean, look, it's gross, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He's a child monster. I don't care what anybody says. You married your stepdaughter. Here's just the reality.

You're adopted daughter, and I'm not talking about it. There are pictures of them. You go back and look through the archives. There are pictures of them traveling together. Just a little girl. Yeah, she's a kid. There are pictures of them. You go back and look through the archives. There are pictures of them traveling together. She's a little girl. Yeah, she's a kid. There are pictures of, we never spoke two words.

It's like, there's literally pictures of you walking through the airport together as a whole holding hands. Like, yeah, so, so. And when the other kids are like, he molested me and had to go to therapy to deal with his attraction to me as his daughter. It's just, I mean, Laura's piece,

I think put into focus what to me, what I couldn Like, Laura's piece, I think, put into focus to me what I couldn't articulate, but in kind of the back of my head, knew, which is like, okay, you can, if you take, you know, soon he's like, this is ridiculous. I'm not some little girl that he raped and whatever. It's like, if you take everything they say at face value, then it's totally believable that this was just a normal relationship between a man and a woman that just happened. It just happened to be like that kind of thing.

It also operates on the assumption that all people who are exploited abuse victims groomed, molested, any of that stuff, grow up to be furious about it and want to fight against the person that exploited them. There's definitely a whole lot of them have like loving and sensual relationships. Definitely. A whole part of this project. It's like she was like a vulnerable young woman. He was literally her father figure.

And one of the most powerful people in his industry. And so it's like, I get it. Sometimes you think like, I'm gonna eat the whole cake because there's nobody around to see me do it, but it's like you don't, because you'll get sick or whatever, it's like you just know better. It's like, if you're Woody Allen's, you should just know better. Like you can't find because you'll get sick or whatever. It's like you just know better. It's like, if you're Woody Allen's, you should just know better.

Like you can't find another fucking girlfriend. I'm sorry. I don't, the heart wants what the heart wants. It's like, well, the heart shouldn't want it's adoptive daughter. And if it does, and I don't care what you think the situation is how you explain it, when you put all the pieces together, if you look at the timeline, if you literally look at the timeline,

it's like, they, me, a Pharaoh found pictures, nude pictures of Sunni at Woody Allen's desk or something. And then he was like, oh, Mia Ferro found pictures, nude pictures of Suni at Woody Allen's desk or something. And then he was like, oh yeah, we had sex two weeks ago. It's like, well, what happened before that two weeks? You want to believe that just at 2P turned around and was like, I'm gonna fuck my daughter and have sex. And then two weeks later, there's nude photos,

but nothing else happened leading up to that. Like, there's something wrong with the situation. If there's smoke, there's fire. If there's fire. There's fire. Yeah, it's like, get out of the building. But like, I think Suni is a victim. I mean, I'm sorry. Absolutely. I mean, in this situation, I think there has been a some amount of like, I'm not saying

she's not an independent person who can think on her own because she obviously is, but I think in that situation, she was adopted when she was how old, uh, 12 or young. I mean, a child, a child, and then was clearly raised by and around Woody Allen for a long time. That's one of his kids and among the other kids. And so I don't think even though even if she's like indignant and mad and making fun of me a fair, which is all insane, totally insane, it's like, you cannot discount that like, this is a situation where there's like a hugely predatory element to it. But also, the crazy fucking thing is Woody Allen

is in this interview, is complaining about Ronan Farrow. He's like, yeah, he may not even be my son. He's like, dude, what are you talking about? You raised this person. You also were a father figure to them. He's like, yeah, I mean, I have a son. It's like, why did I have to pay all that child support? I should get some of it them. He's like, yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm gonna say I why why did I have to pay all that That child support I should get some of it back. It's like

What like what are you talking about? It's crazy to me because He's fully like MRA fully like like psychotic. Yeah, like it But it's just it's insane because it just feels like also when you go back and watch his work Which is very uncomfortable to do if you've ever experienced any sexual assaults or molestation. He, a lot of it is in there. A lot of it is really heavily in there and it's crazy that there are people who make art now where it seems pretty heavily in there

and I'm like, is this really what, like a lot of Louis CK fucking movie that he did. But like, here's the thing, Woody Allen is playing this character of like on this like nervous, nebish, anxiety, like, New Yorker and and and and soon he in the interview is like, oh, he's so dumb. He doesn't even know. He's this, you know, silly man who doesn't get anything. It's like, yeah, that's the character. The actual person is a successful, super successful, powerful Hollywood director who's made millions and millions and millions of dollars being the boss.

The director is in charge. The director says what the job is. If he can't, he's the writer, he's the director, he's often the star. Woody Allen is the... And sorry, but social anxiety is not like a path to like molest children. But it's also like he's using his social anxiety

as a lever of a筆, both in his career and also in his, clearly in his personal life. And it's like, listen, I get it. Like, you have anxiety, but that's not actually the picture. That's not the real person. That's a character that that person is projecting for either to gain power or to gain sympathy or both. And like, I just think it's really fucked up. Like, I felt bad about it before having read that interview and then having really thought about it, read Laura's piece, I'm like, even more disgusted

and grossed out by the realities of the situation. If you confront the realities of the situation, it's almost impossible not to see that there's something very wrong there. By the way, she's been getting inundated with people who are like defending Woody Allen and Sunyee, who literally like their entire career is gonna really like Hannah and her sisters.

So this is my job. It's very sad. It's, I don't know who would be like, let me step up. And here's the thing. I did a thing on R&D, you can have, there's lots of problematic art and you have to make your own lines and decide what you'll take from it.

And if you can separate the art from yours, I can't tell you not to listen to Zelia Banks. I listen to two and two all the time. But I also can turn around and say, she does some fucking terrible things and says terrible things and she needs to be corrected about this, that and the other thing.

I can't watch Woody Allen film myself. I just can't get through it. But if that's something you can do and you take something of value of it, that's fine. But don't act like, don't live in a world of denial because you really, really want to watch Hannah and her sisters. Like that is, no, it's insane. It's, it's, it's,

another bad man news we should talk about Brett Kavanaugh. Oh yeah, Brett Kavanaugh. He sucks. And we should impute Clarence Thomas as well. Um, you know, here's where we're at now. I think we're waiting to find out if Brett Kavanaugh. Oh, yeah, Brett Kavanaugh. Who sucks? And we should impute Clarence Thomas as well. Um, you know, here's where we're at now. I think we're waiting to find out if Brett Kavanaugh is a accuser who says that he held her down and tried to rape her and she felt she was going to, she feared for her life when she was seven, when he was 17, she was younger, I believe, or he was 18 and she was 17 or

something. I forget. Anyhow, Brett Kavanaugh who's potentially going to be a lifelong appointee to the Supreme Court. That's what we're talking about here. A man who, by the way, there's a hundred reasons for Brett Kavanaugh to. I mean, he just like hates women on a legal level. I mean, there's a hundred reasons for Brett Kavanaugh to not become a Supreme Court justice.

I don't need, by the way, I don't need a Supreme Court judge on the Supreme Court to be, um, all like left leaning or whatever. I just want them to have a fucking brain that seems like fairer. And based on what I've read about this guy, his, his, his rulings do not seem, he just not seem like he is centered in the right place. He's like a wacko. Yeah. But more to the point, uh, more of the point he can't remember things he did in the Bush administration.

But he remembers very clearly that he did not attack a girl when he was blind drunk. And his proof is that his friend who wrote a book about how often he was black to out on alcohol and drugs. Yeah. And is an alt-right speaker and writer. And it's like, is like, and also won't testify on his friend. His friend is like, men should be, you should embrace your like, when you like take charge of a situation

and like rape a woman. Like he basically has been like, that's a women are in awe, you're unbridled, male passion, and that's really cool. It's like, even that guy won't testify that he didn't do this. The other thing is that like,

you know, this is a thread maybe today, but he, you don't, the instinct to do that to a person is comes from somewhere. I mean, we've talked around the show, it's just like so alien to any instinct I've ever had. It's like, I get like a situation where you're like, you're maybe not clear on the signals,

maybe there's a kiss that was unwanted, but like you thought there was a, you know, it's like, you're trapped in a room. Yeah, you trapped in a room. You have to do that way. She was fighting. She was fighting, you know, you're holding your den, you're covering her mouth so people can't hear her scream.

And it's like, that's like whatever that is, I don't want that person sitting. No, I don't want that person sitting for life on the screen. You could say to me, he could have come out and said, I don't remember, I got blackout drunk, I did not care about women when I was 17. I was fine.

No, he's completely denying it. And the thing is, he's both denying it and lying and not apologizing. And that speaks even more to his character than something happened when I was 17. That's exactly right. I mean, if I think if he said, listen, I have no recollection of this.

It's, I find that kind of behavior reprehensible. It's sickening to me to imagine any situation like this. That was a long time ago. I used to drink with my friends and go to parties. And, you know, it's possible that I did something inappropriate when I was out of my mind drunk. And if I did, now look, this would automatically disqualify him, unfortunately. That's why he's not saying it because the rules are, if he says that, he can't be,

but let's be honest, if you were a good person, he would say what's true. I mean, do you wanna be his Supreme Court justice or then ask to, or do you wanna be like a person who can look themselves in the mirror every day? And if he thinks he can look himself in the mirror every day, he's like, I don't know, I got, I'm not perfect, I'm not a nerd, I think like this,

but I'm just saying, if somebody came to me and they're like, you know, you kissed me and I didn't want to be kissed by you, I'd be like, if I did that, I'm really sorry, like somebody came to me and they're like, you know, you kissed me and I didn't want to be kissed by you. I'd be like, if I did that, I'm really sorry. Like, I clearly misread the situation. I feel horrible. I wouldn't be like, no, that never happened. Yeah.

Like, especially if you were like blackout, whatever. It's horrible. I mean, I guess if he doesn't actually remember it, but like if he doesn't remember to the point where he literally cannot conceive of it happening whatsoever and therefore it's like it didn't happen, he's so sure it didn't happen,

but he can't remember it. Like how does that work? You know? And the defenses for this are like, literally the people like Barry Weiss and all these people are like, it's like, they're like, he's like, I deny this, they're like, it doesn't matter.

He was 35 years ago. And it's like, well, which is it? He denies it and he didn't do it or he did it and it doesn't matter. Well, how about, I forget it, what, who said it? Fuck some horrible conservative person. Conservative senator was like, if I was held to task to the things I did 35 years ago and

35 years ago, he had been already a senator and he was 45. For who said it? I was a senator from Utah. I don't know. They're all much fucking idiots. Awful. Okay. That's our last dark story.

Friday morning, by the time you hear this, we'll know what's going on because there everybody is waiting on Christine Blaisey Ford, who is his accuser, the woman that says this happened. She is saying that she does not want to testify with that. Because of what happened, we need a hill. And that the FBI won't do an investigation. And we're that investigation. Well, but look, even though they did it for the need to help, the problem we have here

is that Republicans are trying to ram this nomination through to try to get a vote on this as soon as possible because they know that it's shaky. And I think, I mean, honestly, if I were her and I felt like I had to come forward because I don't want this man to be a Supreme Court justice in America because he's, you know, a bad guy, I'm sorry, like, she needs to testify. She needs to go and testify. I know that sounds hard to say, but if the, if it's a difference between hearing her testimony and letting the American public see this man and his, and a woman who says this person did this to

me and here's what he did versus, and I know the Anita Hill thing is not a good blueprint for this. I mean, you look at what happened in that situation. She was fucking, I mean, when Joe Biden did horrifying things to her in public in front of people, I mean, it's an appalling, is that what, he was probably the nicest to her. I mean, now listen, I mean, and that was a, I mean, look, that was awesome. There's no excuse, but it was a time in America

when we did not have what we have going on right now, which is like women really asserting themselves and asserting their right to like, not be fucking abused by men and for really calling out people. But when they need a hell thing happened, guess what happened right after that, a record number of women ran for office and took public service positions.

And I think Republicans do not understand what they're doing when they fuck around with women like that. But that's what I'm saying is that's why it's important. I really hope that she agrees to testify tomorrow. Yeah, for two reasons. One is like, I think people need to, she needs a, I think people need to hear her say what in her own hands. Yeah.

And for there to be no wiggle room. I mean, this shit is real. It's super weird to have 65 testimonies from people you met in high school. They're probably as new about this. They definitely knew about it. I don't even, I couldn't tell you 65 people I went to high school with any gender. Yeah, I'm sorry, they have testimony from women who are like, yeah, he didn't rape you. He has to went to an all boys high school.

Let's say that. It's like, yeah, good. You can definitely find lots of people that rapists didn't rape. Like that's not the problem. Yeah, nobody goes in for a murder trial and he's like, and it's like, well, he didn't murder all these people. And look at all that, there's a whole courtroom for people he didn't murder. He, and it's like, well, you didn't murder all these people. And look at all that. There's a whole courtroom full of people. You know, I didn't murder. Hey, billion people on the

planet. Didn't murder any of those people. What's the chance that they murder someone? Why do we think you murder this person? No, but it's like, it's like, yeah, you, oh, you didn't rape those people? Oh, well, in that case, well, congratulations. You should be on this room. So I think it's like, I really hope that she does testify, but I also think that it's important that there's a, there's a reality brought to. I think this is the problem. Right now it's like a piece of paper and a name

and a bunch of slanderous shit that's being done by the conservative, by conservatives. Like fucking, to cover their ass. Don Masks, no, but like also the conservative media, like Gateway Punishment, daily caller and all these fucking rags that are like trying to smear this person. Like, Drudge was, you know, linking to this story, Gateway Pond Story, which I think still

hasn't been corrected about how she has all these bad reviews from her students. She's a professor. They're another, it's another person. It's not even the right person. It's also like, even if it were, ratemyprofessor.com doesn't decide if you got raped. But I'm just saying, take, think about the levels of fucking deceit here. It's not only that it's a bullshit underifiable source.

It's like the red verse or thing. Yeah, it's also like that it's not even the fucking other way. It went after the wrong red verse. I would be willing to at least go, well, that's interesting. You know, there's like really like avalanche of bad, you know, critique here from students,

but not to say that's definitive in any way. I mean, students are a bunch of fake assholes. I mean, you can't say that. Yeah, look at what Brett Kavanaugh did when he was a student. Yeah, exactly. Okay, we have one, we have two good news stories, two happy things. One of which is a run, and we're gonna pack them all in. First off, Captain Marvel trailer.

How we feeling? I don't know. I love Captain Marvel. I love Breelarson. I love Blackbusters. Just Breelarson. I love Punch and Old Ladies. Yeah, Breelarson.

I love this. I love Breelarson. Breelarson.arson. I love it. I said Brie Larson. Brie, did it sound like it's a sound like to me? Well, I obviously, you know, our name is Brie's and the cheese. Yes, that's right. Brie Larson is great. Brie Larson is great, actually.

I'll never forget when I saw her in short term 12 and I was like, this person's great and I'm in love. Yeah. Because they're a great actor and also beautiful. Very beautiful. And no, she's great. And then I haven't seen room because it seems like it'll be really, really heavy

into presents. Fantastic performance and the hardest thing to watch. The like cry. Oh, I got enough sadness going on. I also can't do stuff where like, where kids are like, I can't do it. I can't do it. I mean, being a becoming a parent has,

it's crazy how like, I mean, my dad can't watch movies in which like kids get scared. No, like if, like,, it's too much for me. No, anything with kids now is to me is like utterly devastating. It just changes your whole, I'm not saying that, no, I'm not saying that other people can't appreciate this. Maybe I didn't have the sensitivity to it before I could.

That's what I mean. Like I was like, oh, it could get murdered like whatever. Now if a kid gets murdered, I'm like, this is fucking disgusting. You're like, man, stick it in, I'm dare they. They're another kid on the body. Oh, anyhow, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, Brie Largs to the cat.

So, I don't know, look, here's the thing. All I care about is this. All I care about is this. A good movie? No. I need to find out what's going on with this infinity gunlet situation. I need to know this.

Well, this is in the 90s, so. No, but there's a connection. Well, yeah, because they're gonna find some way to like, throw a good time, or a good time. It's gotta be time, or a good time. Freeze her or something. This gotta be time, she's gonna come in and save the whole bunch. Cause I think she's the best hero Marvel has.

I think that we made some thing. That Dr. Strange somehow warps her into life. Captain Marvel is like their Superman. So that's who's gonna come do time travel and save everybody. So Henry Cavill, speaking of Marvel, people want him to join the Marvel universe. And I just read this story, which is amazing.

They want a bunch of people on him play his character named The Century. The Century panel is like a Superman, a very Superman-like character. It's almost like a goof on Superman from Marvel. Here's this backstory of The Century. It's fucking amazing. I would kill to see this character. Robert Randall starts out as an overweight middle-aged man who remembers that he is The Century, a superhero whose, quote,

power of 1 million exploding sons is derived from a special serum, realizing that his arch enemy, the void is returning. Reynolds seeks out several prominent Marvel characters to warn them and to figure out why no one remembers the century. The plot twists, the century and the void are the same person, which is why Reynolds had erased all memory of his superhero career in the first place. How good is that? That's so good.

I would watch that movie. Like make that fucking movie, but I love the idea that the Superman from the DC universe would be like this like Superman like character. Not a copy universe. Anyhow, so like the Captain Marvel thing, I am, I think it's going to be really good. Yeah, what's your other good thing? My other good thing is a run of things from the 90s that are coming back.

Oh, not just the 90s, but mostly from the 90s. You know, I'm Mary Poppins. Well, no, but do you want to talk about Mary Poppins? That wasn't on my list. Well, can I talk about Mary Poppins for a second? Sure. Well, they're making a Mary Poppins movie. Yeah, I think it looks pretty good.

Who's in it? Emily Blunt. Emily Blunt. And my man, well Miranda. Okay, so check it out. So Mary Poppins. Ben Wichah. So I was like,

I think I can't remember which came first in this conversation, but I was like, people are talking about why would they make, in our Slack, they're like, why would they make another Mary Poppins? And I was like, do you think, or I think I said, like I heard in this one that she gets all

of the infinity stones. And then Jeremy was like, oh, like in the third volume of the extraordinary gentleman, do you know this at all? No. Mary Poppins is like a godlike character who apparently control time and space. And the anti-Christ is Harry Potter and they fight.

What? Yes. And I've not read it. And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm gonna read that. I was like, I assume Alan Moore didn't write that. He's like, oh no, Alan Moore wrote it. I was like, holy shit, I need not read it and I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? I was like, I assume Alan Moore didn't write that. He's like, Oh no, Alan Moore wrote it. I was like, holy shit, I need to read this.

He's like, yeah, I went a little off the rails. So anyhow, just on the Mary Poppins thing, I think she might get all the infinity stones. Okay, what are the, what are the, what are the, what are the, what are the, what are the , what are the, what are the, what are the,. Mary Poppins are the flying, the flying, the flying, the rises. Mary Poppins versus Nanny McVeed on of Justice. You know, I think I'm just gonna do, I think I'm just gonna do this as a tweet right now.

So here's a run of things coming back. Yes. I'm gonna save the best for last, because I know you're gonna wanna talk about it. Space Jam. We're making a Space Jam too. First one didn't make any sense. Plot is crazy. I watched it a fucking hundred times, this is child.

Apparently the brunt is. The brunt James. The brunt James in the new Space Jam. Yeah. I don't know. I haven't seen Space Jam one, but you told me the plot the other day. I would love to do a special episode of this

where you have watched Space Jam and we break it down. We should do it where we watch it and we do commentary throughout. Like DVD commentary. Yeah, it'd be a long podcast, but I'm willing to try. Let's do that. Okay, so Space Jam's coming back. If you have a chance to look up Rachel Bloom's musical Space Jam performance,

PlayStation 1 is coming out with a PlayStation classic. They have a tiny PlayStation. Okay, so first off, here's the thing. I'm not going to be a sucker. I bought the NES. Actually, Laura got me the NES classic as a Christmas present. It's cool. We played it like four times. It's a fun little and that I put it away. Yeah. But also this, you can get an emulator to do this. You don't need the PlayStation. This is very possible. Yeah.

Like you literally could do it on any PC. Like open M.U. is a beautiful little macro. I mean, I wrote this cyberpunk piece that we, you know, on the back of our cyberpunk conversation. And one of the things I talk about is Snatcher, which is this amazing game that Hideo Kajima did. And before Metal Gear Solid, and certainly before Death Stranding or whatever, it's awesome like RPG, point and click kind of adventure. Anyhow, you can play it, the Sega CD version.

You can just type in Snatcher, play online, and if you open a page and it loads the Sega CD in emulation mode in a browser. You can play it. You can play the Sega CD version on a Chromebook. On a fucking Chromebook full screen. And it's like, I mean, I don't know about a controller. Maybe you can get a controller going.

You certainly have to play with the keyboard. You can Bluetooth pair. And that's really great. It's really great. So you don't necessarily need to buy the mini PlayStation. That's cute. I kind of want to. Yeah, if you've got the money. Yeah. Other things coming back, well, Star Wars has announced they will only be coming back every few years instead of once a year because they realize that was a little much. I'm

over it. I'm over Star Wars. I don't care. Yeah. I don't care anymore. Honestly, they can see them. If they don't make another one, I wouldn't care. I don't care. There's no mystery. I don't care about the mystery. I didn't see Solo. I didn't see Solo either, but I apparently d'arthmalls in it. Veronica Mars is coming back, which means nothing to you and everything to me. Do you think Bruno Mars will do a guest spot

on the show? Only if they're gonna eat Mars bars. That'd be good. Sabrina, the teenage witch is coming back. Yeah, as trailer fellow, Jarl fucked up awesome Riverdale style. Karen and Shipca is the star. I just hope it's better written than Riverdale.

I don't know, I started watching Riverdale and it was like first I was like, I hate it, but then I watched more of it. I was like, actually, this is pretty good. I haven't really followed up on it, but now I kind of want to like, it's not for me, but I get what people like it. I hope this to Riverdale is for Riverdale.

If we wrote about this, we'd love Sabrina. The teens are like, there are no teens anymore. All the teens are doing adult things and they look like adults. And they're supposed to be teens. And we're really into their like parents drama. Yeah. And like, guess what? I never care about their parents. I hate when the parents are like, they're like, pretty close to my age. And I'm like, no. And they're also like, so sexy. And you're like, I'm not here for sexy parents. They're all like glistening and they get weird and they're like, and they're like, you're my daughter.

Like Luke Perry is one of the parents, right? That's ridiculous. I can't handle it. James Bond is coming back, of course, but now they've announced that director, Carrie Foucanago will be taking. He's the reason we James Bond. We don't know yet.

But they found a director. I don't care. Okay, over James Bond. Yeah, here we are. Unless you're all about the impossible mission. Impossible mission. I get care about the IMF. Impossible mission for us. I still haven't seen Fallout.

Please don't tell anybody. And finally, the final thing coming back. Yeah. Jordan Peele is doing a new Twilight Zone on CBS All Access. It's gonna be good. And he released a clip of him like doing the Rod Serling. Oh, he did. Oh oh I didn't see that Yeah, I'm excited. I just hope it's not like black mirror

But yeah, we need to watch that talk about it because you're we're both pilots on head Yeah, I just don't want it to be you don't have a central like it's all about technology I want to be like a twilight zone. Yeah, we're it's all different. What's really the the thought idea the thing It's always the point of fear on the toilet zone is the people not that you're not the thing in the box. It's not the box. It's the people who are handling the box. Yeah. Batman's penis. People who are handling Batman's penis. By the way, Batman's penis was revealed in a comic book this week. It's on circumcised. No circumcised. And it's made the rounds on Twitter. Do we know? I think it's on I think it's circumcised. No, circumcised. And it's made the rounds on Twitter. Do we know? I think it's on, I think it's circumcised.

Why? But I see Jewish? I don't, Batman? No. We don't know. No. Robin maybe, the Joker definitely. Batman's on Jewish.

Oh, you think the Joker's Jewish? Oh, absolutely. I think that's racist. Is it? It's anti-Semitic. I will say, Batwoman is Jewish. I think you told me about this. But how about that?

Okay, so all the outrage of Ruby Rose. But how about that? So her name is Ruby? Somebody tweeted, there's been a lot of jokes about the bat dick. I've seen people have made it their phone wallpaper, which is hilarious. But someone had a really great joke, which was anyone who's calling it the bat dick

and not the little Wayne is severely misguided. The Wayne is good. So if I'm... Anyhow. That's it. I don't know, it's part of the DC black label series not the little Wayne is severely misguided. Little Wayne is good. So if I'm, anyhow. That's it. I don't know, it's part of the DC black label series because like DC's like our characters aren't dark enough. Yeah, we want to make it for adults.

That's really gritty. So what do you want? I mean, it's going to be one of those people who's like, I think I need to have my arm amputated and like does the procedure. Yeah. Like that's the thing, people are like, I should not have an arm.

We're getting so gritty with these movies that like, I think it can be. It's just a regular rich guy like, I should not have an arm. We're getting so gritty with these movies that like- Yeah, I think it could have been. It's just a regular, rich guy. It's just like Elon Musk tweeting. The New Batman series is very real. The New Batman series is Batman, human centipede. Batman's making human centipede out of the Joker and some other villain. That's what's happening.

Okay. That's how gritty it's gonna be, and real, and dark, and adult. We're gonna tear through Robbins. We're just gonna tear through that. Yeah, everybody's getting their backs broken. Every single character. Everybody's in traction or has had somebody amputated. And it's also 100% medically accurate.

No matter what they do. I sure wrap up on this. That's it. Yeah. We'll be back in like two seconds. Yeah, we're gonna take a break then we'll be back with Erica Allen to talk about all sorts of things. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go.

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We have talked about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've talked about it. For him changing his name. Yeah, that we would both hyphenate maybe. So that's what we talked about. Like Alan Volker, Volker Alan, which I think would you swap? Volker Alan sounds better. Erica Volker Alan. Yeah, I agree. And Pete Volker Alan sounds better, Erica Volker Allen, and Pete Volker Allen sounds, I mean, those are, let me think. But I don't know.

Are you saying that he would do it one way and you'd do it another way? No, we would do it the same way. Oh, so there's been no conversation about having, what if you would each did one? I mean, and then it was like, you had the best of all of the names. Yeah, and then, but then it's like,

what do our kids get? I mean, you could name yourself something something completely new like that girl from spy kids didn't just be like Erica universe. Is that actually my cousin did that. She and her wife combined. Yeah, they made a new name. They made a new name. That's a cool idea. They're last names to have a whole new last name. That's interesting. I remember talking to a friend about Laura, before Laura and I got married, he was actually a coworker, not exactly a friend,

and kind of a bad guy, but he was like, he was like, oh, is she gonna take your name? I was like, I think so. And he was like, really? He was like, yeah, he's like, that's surprising coming from you. I was like, why? You seem so progressive,

but that's such an outdated guy. It's literally nobody's business. Well, exactly, it's like not progressive to so progressive, but that's such an outdated. Oh my God, it's literally nobody's business. Exactly, it's like not progressive to have a judgment on what it's like. Yeah, but that was like, they're all asking me to invite you. Her last name is DeZuban, DZIU BAN, which is really hard to say and really hard to spell.

And my last name is DeBullsky, which is also hard to say in spell, but like slightly less hard to say in spell. So I think it was for her, might have also been a little bit like, well, it's a slight upgrade in terms of people getting my name, right? John really likes hula hand, but he's the last yantz.

So it's like, oh, you gotta do something with that. I know, so I was like, maybe we'll be hula hand yantz. I mean, I would just use the hula hand professionally, obviously, but like, I was like, well, how, it's just a weird thing to navigate and then your kids, it's like, so they'll be the hula hand yantz says,

but then when they get married, are they gonna hyphenate longer like what's happening that's it now that's an interesting question this is by the way not in what I intended to talk about it is a fascinating topic if you hyphenate and then you have kids and then they get married and they hyphenate do they end up with like four last like three last names four last names and then what would Lisa Kudrow do because she can't have that show that where you come from show on TLC.

Wait, wait, Lisa Kudra has a where you come from show. Yeah, she put, she's the executive producer of that show where the celebrities go on and they like trace their roots. I forget. Is that the one that was a rip? That was like skip gates was involved. No, no, no, it was the PBS one. No, no, it's on TLC with Danooka Tenski.

I think that's so pretty. The original one was the PBS show, which is like, it's on TLC with Danooka Tensky. I think that's so pretty. The original one was the PBS show, which is like, it was called like, fuck, what was it called? But they had their own, they were like, you're rude. They were like, yeah, they were like, they were like, yeah, they were like, they were like, they were like,

didn't, but didn't have like, like, he had like some slave owners and then he had something for Matt Damon. And then he asked them to like, not talk about that. Talk about that. And they did, they like, didn't talk about it and then it came out, but they didn't, but they like took this request that like, not talking about it and they did like didn't talk about it and then it came out Oh, that's right. I took this request that like not talking about it. It's kind of like I don't know It makes you look way worse than I thought if you're like let me hide this part of my I would just drop the whole episode

If you were exactly I think you just have to own it like it's not you It's not sure if I don't my ancestors were Nazis were Nazis and I was like an a-list celebrity, I'd be like, I'm just not gonna do this episode. No, I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I think that's a, you will raise your profile if you're like, I'm gonna confront this head on. Sure.

I can't believe this. I understand if someone doesn't have the, they don't feel they have the capacity or language to do that. I'm sure Ben F. I'm sure he's a wonderful man, but he seems like someone who's a little emotional like crippled and if he doesn they have the capacity or language to do that. Like, I'm sure Ben Affleck doesn't have, I'm sure he's a wonderful man, but he seems like someone who's a little emotional like crippled and if he doesn't have like the bandwidth

to handle that discussion in public, I just don't do it. Don't hide it, don't lie. Don't ask a journalistic enterprise to like, do a cover up for you because you got a batman roll on the line. Well, I mean, yeah, I guess that's an interesting point. It's interesting, like it's funny.

Like every time like Ben Affleck comes up, I want to be like, you know, when people are like, well, maybe he I guess that's an interesting point. It's interesting, like it's funny. Every time Ben Affleck comes up, I want to be like, you know, when people are like, well, maybe he's not that smart, but like, I would have, and I'm like, well, you know, he wrote Goodwill, Hunting. And then there's like a rumor, but there's like a rumor that he didn't write Goodwill, Hunting, that it was like a script

that someone some really famous green writer wrote and like, he couldn't get it pretty good. I would buy Matt Damon, and he'd do a re-write. Exactly, I was just gonna say, and even if he did write it. I would buy Matt Damon doing a re-write. Exactly. I was just gonna say and even if he did write it, it's like Matt Damon wrote it. Oh, you think we're using Matt Damon's writing partners? He's like, we're saying Matt Damon is the smart one. Yes.

I buy it. I buy it. I buy it. I buy it. Yeah, exactly. I'm not saying Matt Damon's like winning a Nobel Peace Prize. Yeah. Yeah. What was the Matt Damon controversy? He was on that show, like green light. And it was like somebody, some woman,

like a person of color was like, it's talking to him about like, how she felt. And he's like, hang on a sec, you don't know how. He mansplained like, diversity. Yeah, so let me explain what diversity is. Like, this is what it's like being a black woman. Yeah. Well, look, you know what?

I'll, honestly, if that's the worst he's done, maybe it is, I don't know. I'm fucking Matt Damon. It's not too bad. But to answer your question, I don't know what happens to the generation of like hyphenated name, last name people when they have kids, and like end up with like quadruple hyphenation.

I mean, It's too much. It's too many names. Listen, we're all gonna be ats at some point. Yeah, exactly. I'm just gonna go by like a man. Just scream, or scream name, is that what you're doing? All right, well it's good that we're on a team it,

because one of the things I want to talk about with you is that the Emmys were on Sunday. Monday. Monday. Why were they on Monday? Is that true? Football. That's what the Emmys, I think, have

sat trying to compete with sports. Oh, I didn't even know there was football on Sunday. John came home, did not know they were on, looked at the TV, and on the TV was Michael Cheyenne, Colin Joseph. And I famously have beef with Michael Cheyenne, and don't think Colin just is funny. And he walked in,, looked at the TV, and on the TV was Michael Chang and Colin Just, and I famously have beef with Michael Chang and don't think Colin just is funny. And he walked in, literally looked at the TV, and I was like, them?

And on a Monday? Like so artistly mad that it was happening. This is a condominium. Right in front of my cell. No, before I say it, you have beef with Michael Chang, can you expand on that? We both have worked in comedy for a long time, and he's not a nice person,

and I know a person, just in person, he was a person. Yeah, and I tend to time and he's not a nice person. And I know a person. And personally, and I tend to, when someone isn't a good person, I have a pod, I've allowed mouth, I have a talk show. I'm not able to be like, oh it's fine, you said this horrible thing to this person in front of me, I have to be like,

that was kind of shitty, even in a friendly way. And he's not someone who is receptive to that. So this has gone on for like 10 years. Just Jared, he's just Jared heard about this. What is the right blind items? Who's the right to? Oh, luckily he's not famous or talented enough for anyone to give a shit.

Wow. Okay, well you really have beef with him. Okay, you know, I have mixed feelings. But the Emmys were on. They were on, nobody. So any of the Emmys were on. Nobody wanted to. They were very boring, very bad.

But you I learned after the, because we had an Emmy discussion, you are a big fan of the show, the Americans. I am. Me too, which you are also. I have seen four episodes of it. It seemed very good. I didn't watch all of the Emmys, but apparently you felt that the show was robbed. This was their final season. I felt the carry Russell in particular who is incredible on this show as like the scariest woman alive, but also this character who you're like, you know, invested. Oh, she's the bad guy. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. That's why I guess like, it's all their way to bad guy. Yeah, exactly. When Nancy was about in the bad guy, I mean, russian spy. She's a russian spy.

Yeah, well, but I mean, you know, so yeah, it was well, she's very, she's very, she's our auntie hero. And I think she might be the most layered character that has ever appeared like on television. But her husband's also a spy on the show. Yes. For those spies.

Are the kids also spies? No spoilers. Don't tell me. I can't, I don't want to go to the near this. Yeah, you have to watch it. So she was robbed by Claire Foy. Is that right? Yes. Yeah. Who's a great actress?

Yes. But it's on a television show that's script mostly consists of like meaningful glance, meaningful glance. She changes outfits. There's a shot of the sea, meaningful glance. Yeah, she does it very well though. Yeah, it's a great version of the performance. I thought she doesn't compare to a career of the first home of the crown.

It's very British. It doesn't compare to a career as a part of the part of the crowd. Of the crown. It's very British. It's very, and not a lot happens. I can show you a Tumblr blog of the shots and tell you like a summary of history and you would have a better experience and if you watched the crown. You think a lot happens on the crown? Well, I mean, like, yeah, a lot of history happens.

Major things happen, but it's true. It's not a big show. I mean, it's a big, but it's true. It's not a big show in one way, but it's not a big show in your life. It's like, it's like, it's like, I'm coming when Princess Tannish will talk. It's like, remember when, oh, do they go into that in the session?

They're jumping every like few decades. Oh, but it's like, okay, it's not gonna get totally off topic again, but it is like, the big stuff is like, you have to come back to England because there's a bad fog or something, you know, or whatever, like, you know, oh, Churchill is sick and he's not admitting it.

It's like stuff like that. It's like, yeah, it's important. You have to get a new prime minister. Yeah, right. It's like, we get a new, it's important, but it also takes place in like a lap of luxury and you know that all these people have to be 80. So like, no, well,

right. And like, yeah, and it's like, she's got like, I don't know what's his name, Philip, is like a cat, he's like a bad guy, I guess, or whatever, it's not really like, they don't really go into just how bad he is, they sort of, maybe in the second season they do. But in the first season, they're kind of like,

it's all hinted at that he's bad. But then they're like, you know, well, we've, we're British, so we're just going to keep being British. It's like, that's it, that's the show. We're just gonna keep being British. That's like that's it, that's the show. We're just gonna keep being British. That's the entirety of what I've seen on the crown. It's like in times of hardship, stiff up a let be British. Just continue to be British, speak to other British people.

Hold your head up. I know who did that to that. And trust. You know who did that the best, Emily Blunt in the movie The Devil, where is Prada? And we don't ever need to revisit the top. Great film. Anyhow, so the Americans you feel Carrie Russell was robbed. And now, but I think the

most important thing that happened at the Emmys in regards to the Americans is that I heard Matthew Rees, is that his name? Matthew Rees? I heard him speak for the first time in his actual voice, which I've never heard before. He is apparently Welsh. Yeah, I saw. I did not know that. I thought he was an American. Also, it was very like taken aback by hearing him speak in his natural accent

because his American accent, which I feel like I'm not like an expert on, you know, accents, but his American accent on the Americans is extremely good, especially because he's like playing a Russian, playing an American. Does he ever have a Russian accent? But does he, is he supposed to have a Russian accent? But he's not really, but they do speak a lot of Russian

in the show. I can't be, I'm no judge of whether or not his Russian accent when speaking Russian is any good, but his American accent is excellent. And so when he got up there and was speaking with his Welsh accent, I was like, oh yeah, you're not actually this character from the... For Bushwick.

Well, the thing is, I was just with Bushwick. Well, that's just where they show shoots and everything. But the weird thing is that Welsh and Scottish are the hardest accents in order to get to another accent because they're so particular and your mouth is formed in such different ways. And when I saw him on Washington Heaven's Live, which is the first time, because they're so particular and their mouth is formed in such like different ways. And when I saw him on Wash Your Heavens Live,

which is the first time, because they've been on several times together because they're also married in real life. But they're not married, they're dating, or they're partners of some kind. Yeah, I think they have a kid. We'll get into that in a second. No one's talking about that.

But they have a kid now. I think they have a kid. Yeah, they have a kid. They have a kid. Yeah, they have a kid. They have a kid. Yeah, they have a kid. They have a kid. Yeah, they have a kid. Yeah, they have a kid. Yeah, they have a kid. Yeah, they have a kid. Yeah, does have kids. Okay, we're gonna talk about their marriage in a second.

But when they were on Watch That In Live, I think I might have been on one occasion. They said to her, like, could you do his accent? And it was like such a comical, like Americans can eat. Like, he had to train for five years and get to get at that like Cheryl Cole, weird, well, she couldn't do the... She couldn't even attempt. It was so funny.

It's very thick, guys. And now let's talk about their relationship for a second. Maybe that's why she didn't win an Emmy. Oh, well, do you think that maybe she couldn't even attempt it was so funny. It's very thick. I said now let's talk about their relationship First thing. Maybe I'm why she didn't win an Emmy. Oh, well, do you think that maybe she went in Emmy because and I've seen this bandied about a lot of the time Women who've given spectacular performances and been awarded at least once for their prestige show They never win in the final season. They usually don't win in the first season It's always in a middle season. They give the woman like one trophy. Did she get one? She did she won an Emmy She won an Emmy. She won an Emmy, yeah.

But for that show, I think she won an Emmy for that. I'm gonna look it up. You know what, Trace, can you? But do you think it has to do with that sexism because like a lot and a lot of those shows, the men and usually the male creative team will get like a crowning achievement Emmy? Interesting.

I hadn't thought about that. I guess I was sort of like well, Claire Floyd did this for two seasons and she's not coming back. That's true. And replacing her. But also like the Americans has gone off and she did it for six seasons. So I don't know.

So I didn't know that there was that track record. So I'm still confused. So with the crown, are you going to do Diana? No. Now they'll skip like a couple of decades ahead and someone else, the woman. I think she was on that show peep show is going to another woman is going to play Queen Elizabeth. Oh, we're going to see Queen Elizabeth Carter is going to play her sister. Oh, wow. And they're going to do a whole new cast of like, you know, slightly older versions of all of

the 70s or something. She has not wanted to know what decade she's not one of them. She was not the last three seasons. She like, I thought she was over it. Who did she lose? I'm curious who she's lost to. The 2017 primetime Emmy Awards outstanding actress in a lead drama. Let's say. This is important to get ready or gay people will come for me. Now I really feel now I do feel that she was robbed because I feel like. I really thought that she, and like she's kind of gone on to like have, she's gonna be in the next Star Wars movie reuniting

with JJ Abrams. She's going to be in this Broadway play that I can't remember what it is, but with Adam Driver. Like she's like, she's like, Oh, I mean, she's gonna work forever. Yeah, she's one of our best. She's lost to Elizabeth Moss last time who I'm a

tell secure that through feminism Scientology. No, I mean, I'm her performance in handmaids tails very strong. I mean, have you seen it? Oh, no, she's great. It's a very hard to watch. It's literally oh, yeah, don't it's don't I mean I love it's it's the only thing more depressing than reality, but I like it because I feel like I rake myself over the coals than I'm like, but also when you get little slivers of hope, it's like, real life doesn't even have these.

How? I don't know, that's just really unique. I mean, I love it, but it's really bleak. So anyhow, so Matthew Ries and Carrie Russell were cast as a husband and wife spies on the show The Americans. They were at that time married to or in relationships with other people, then they fell in love. Yeah, which I think is a kind of man doing that.

Well, I think it's unusual that you fall in love with the person you were cast as as your husband or wife. You think it's unusual? No, I think it's true. I have to say everyone who I was in a musical with, I think, oh, yeah. I think it happens all the time. I think that's like what? That's like how I would feel like I'm just saying. I don't think it's too, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I relationship, even though it's kind of fucked up, is also extremely romantic to me because it's like, it's like a range, it's a range marriage and then they grow like 20 years into their marriage to really fall in love with each other.

Yeah, oh, you mean on the show? Oh yeah, on the show. But Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt did this exact same thing. Yeah. But if I had to work on a television show where my body was being slammed and I was emotionally ripping myself apart and we were working each other days again in Bushwick and then going home to like a tiny apartment

with my several kids and Danny. And why is your apartment? If I had to see that, who's apartment is tiny? Well, I mean, if you live in New York, I would, I don't know. I would blow my brains out. I love John. If I had to see John for more than five hours a day

and do any actual work with him, I would kill him. I don't know how you could work with your, how you're saying like going home with the prison. I know, I don't know how you could work with your- How are you saying, like, going home with the person you're or where? No, that's why Laura and I stopped. Like, I mean, you know, we basically, I mean, she'll still write stuff, but like, we can't do day to day work together.

It's very bad for a relationship. Well, I just think it seems so boring, also, because it's like, what do you talk about at the end? We talk about work. Yeah, it's about work. What you have to do in this, every conversation is like, well, you talk about at the end? We talk about work. You just talk about work. What you have to do in this every conversation is like, well, you do like separate weekends. I think you would have to be like,

I'm going to the park with some friends and to a spin glass and I don't want to talk to you. We were talking about this the other day. We don't, Lauren and I are like, not interested in hanging out with anybody but each other. It's really, I think, no, I mean, we were like, there's definitely something either wrong with us or everybody else, but we're not sure we're hitched.

We're a little bit like that too. We spend a lot of time. Like I don't wanna, like when I think about like the end of the day, I'm like, I'm gonna go have drinks with my boys. I'm like, how quickly can I get home? See, I think me and John, like obviously, like we're, I'm loud and et cetera.

But we're very balanced at home. And I don't feel like either of us, the personalities overpower it, maybe just choices are tastes. We're very collaborative at home and I don't feel like either of us, the personalities overpower anybody's choices are tastes, we're very collaborative, we compliment each other and we're great at like a dinner together, but in a big group doing an activity or hanging out with friends or at a family party, like I tend to dominate everything and then John just kind of hangs out. And it's just not healthy like I'd rather him spend time with my parents than like they can actually talk to him as opposed to me like jumping in and telling an anecdote,

which I can't help myself. Yeah. I do think you guys are well matched. I do think your personalities, I mean, I've said I know John as well as I know you, but you do seem to have, but I think Lauren and I are like that. I'm like loud.

We both lead loud and dominating, like in a convert, like if we're in a group, I'm always like, you know, putting on an act or whatever. And she's like fine to just, you know, she'll just be very patient and then like choose her act or whatever. And she's like, fine, to just, you know, she'll just be very patient and then like choose her moments or whatever. I am that person. I'm going to ask if you're after that. I'm very big.

You think you are. She's like quiet, quiet. He's a listener. He's like, you know, you're the, you're the dominant. Yeah. I'm a talker. And especially like you said with when it comes to like hanging out with my family, all of the islands are kind of like, man, man, man, man. So like, if you don't, if you don't interrupt and jump in, like you don't speak. We're also like viciously mean.

Like I was very prepared for day culture because my whole family, like the entire thing is trolling you. My parents, my brothers, and this is, they don't know any better. Nobody come for them, don't find them on Twitter, but they will say something racist or homophobic or sexist in front of me, knowing that I know they don't know any better. Nobody come for them. Don't find them on Twitter But they will say something racist or homophobic or sexist in front of me knowing that I know they don't believe it Or whatever just to watch me over the course of a day slowly break and start screaming and fighting with them

And then they all laugh like that's what we do John cannot handle that. I will yeah, I mean that would be very I feel like that would be very aggravating if they're like Racist like I feel like that's like it like, if you're just saying something like, why can't I have dreads? And then watch me as I'm like, I know you're beating me. And then over the course of the day, they'll push it.

I go, as far as like a beating or a quagga. They're good at it. Why can't I have dreads? Is it an amazing conversation started? But I ended up having like a two-hour fight with them that started as a joke. And then at the end of it, I was like,

you actually read some pretty good points. They were like, and I was like, ah! You know, Laura was like, when we started dating, when she went to the first family thing, I think she was like very upset to the point where she was like, I was just curious. I was just like, I think she was like,

because my family's like, like you're saying how everybody is just like talking to you. Like my family's like non-stop talking, prodding, questioning, inter-wrapping. I mean, I went to dinner with you and your brother-ones and cried at the table, would you? Yup. We went to dinner one time, we were hanging out.

Mm-hmm. And you were like, I'm going to see my brother, do you wanna like keep hanging out? And I was like, sure. So we went to dinner and got food. And I was talking about something really hard that was going on. Because Jesse was Jesse there too, from the band. Yeah, sure. So we went to dinner and got food. And I was talking about something really hard that was going. So Jesse was there too from the band. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And we were just like talking about something with my job or whatever. And I just like. Are we doing therapy? Yeah. You both Jesse and your brother and you were just like just hammering questions. And I was like, I don't really want to talk about this. And you were like, no, talk about it.

And then I like burst into tears and you guys were like, all right, we'll pull back. I was tears start. You get really. Yeah, but that's how it is. And then I burst into tears and you guys were like, all right, we'll pull back. I think once tears start, you get, you know. Oh yeah, but that's how it's like, I mean, I have three brothers and that's how it is, like with them too, where they're like, let's talk about it, let's talk about it. Well, explain to me, explain to me,

and I'm like, you know what? And then once I start crying, they're like, oh, sorry. It's all right. Sorry. The Lord, I have, we talked so much about like our confrontation styles, because it's like, my confrontation style is like,

no, you must, we must address this right now. We got to have, like if we're arguing or upset, she's upset or I'm upset or whatever, it's like, okay, I have to we talk through this. And her thing is like, till like, kind of, like not even talk, like she'll be like it's fine. I just need to get I'm going to get over it and then I'm going to be done with it, but like she doesn't want to confront it.

And it's created some pretty explosive. Well, yeah, he's the same way. Pete wants to talk about things immediately. And I'm like, let's talk about it when I've had like a moment to think and like calm down and and and way things a little bit. And whether or not it's like actually worth really like having this This conversation. Yeah, so I can't gauge what it's worth it or not See I have to we have to talk about things we have to like I just I cannot like if something happens or John does something

I don't like or I did something I know John doesn't like I we have to talk about it right away But I can see on John's face sometimes. He's like you've said your piece I need about an hour to like listen to slain Dion and walk around and like make coffee and think and then I'll come back to you The statement and then you respond and then we'll eat another hour Yeah, I think that like a you know a half a day long fight as long as it's not constant is like can be actually like a very We're just an argument not even a fight. Yeah, it's interesting I'm actually like very healthy way because it does sometimes Sometimes I'm like, oh, you know, am I being like, we're also both toruses.

Am I being really stubborn? Is that a thing? Yeah. Our toruses stubborn. Yes. Are you an astrology believer? I am an astrology believer. No, are you really?

I am, yeah. Come on. I feel like you're, yes. I'm completely shocked by that information because I feel like you're very like pragmatic and like intellectual. You know what I mean? You just're very pragmatic and intellectual. You know what I mean? You just think very intellectually about things.

You kind of like, I don't see the comfort. Whenever we know, I really, I think nostalgia is fun, but for me, I muted it on Twitter. We have a lot of non-believers in the office. Let me ask you. Let me ask you a question. Okay, so you're a tourist and you and you're talking about the Taurus traits. The most distinguishing trait, I think, is bullheadedness. Okay.

Stoppern. And you guys are both pretty bullheaded, you would say. Yes, but, you know, we still are willing to compromise. We obviously do a lot, so it's like, you know what? Well, the theory is that it's like, you, those are like instincts, but you can like learn tools and behaviors. Okay, so here's a song and I can give you a little grilling here.

Okay, do you know what my astrological sign is? No. Would you be able to guess? If you had to guess, I'm like into astrology, but not so into it that I like, I will fully admit that like I am very attuned to like what my representation is. Very self-centered.

Yes, I'm a self-centered. I'm a Libra. Okay. Could you read the traits of the Libra? Sure. Don't you feel it's like, I'm supposed to do anything any of this applies to the Libra? I mean, I know that that's the whole thing that people read into the aspects of it that they identify with and leave the rest.

And I actually think that's fine. But I just think if you hear the Libra description, there's no way that this could possibly be described. I feel like it's the same thing as personality tests or the Harry Potter stuff. I just feel like it's more about how you see yourself and analyzing that and what the being told that lets you reflect on your own personality. But then it is like a magical way. I'm sorry, the thing is the Harry Potter quiz on Buzzfeed and the personality test, which

I assume you're saying about the one we just read about, which is called, what is it called? We were like in a spray case. Myrge spray case. ENTJ or whatever. And astrology, both that and astrology are based on what appears to be a system of like, if not science, something close to it. Like, oh, there's actually a reason why you score this thing or there's a reason why you are what?

You're fine. Okay, there's a reason why you score this thing or there's a reason why you are a, you know, you're a tourist because you're born at this time and the planets are doing this and, you know, there's like other stuff, there's like the, what do they call the, there's like a system, but I just feel like, I don't know, I wrote for like a year and a half

or two years I did Teen Vogue book of the month picks and it was like based on your sign, like whatever. And it was a fun way of being like, look up with the one that's for you, but also there's just a bunch of books here. It was just like a fun thing. What bothers me, I have friends and maybe it's the lack of an organized religion

accepting us, but gay people, especially queer people, like we get super into stuff like this. There's gay people are super into astrology, and I have friends who have broken up because they found someone to sign out, and they were, no, gay Twitter is so bad that I have every related zodiac or horoscope were muted because in order to enjoy it at all, I had to remove it from that.

Is this a thing? Why don't you write about this? I would read a story that if you believe that in the gay community that astrology is somehow more important, I'm curious about that. It's wild. Okay, here's the Lieber stuff. Okay, let's hear, let's just listen in. Tell me if you think this sounds anything like me.

Gracious, fair and balanced. Lieber is among the most social and popular signs of the zodiac. So, ruled by Venus, Libra is a loving sign that focuses strongly on partnership and prioritizes the needs of others. The sign of the scales is blessed with the natural sense of right and wrong, making them very focused on justice, honesty, and fairness. As the sign of balance, Libra represents both the head and the heart. They focus on logic and fact to ensure everything is up on the up and up and really thrive

in the mutual feelings and closeness of one-on-one relationships. Both inside and out, Libra stands for Harmony, Elegans, and Equality. I would say that some of that. I'm not saying that like I'm not like I do believe in justice and I am extremely elegant. Other Libris celebrities are Gwen Stefani, Kim Kardashian, Zach Efron, Gwyneth Peltro, Will Smith, Zach Gallifinakis, Kate Winslet, Sting.

Yeah, Sting and I'm not. And Matt Damon. That's quite a lot. Matt Damon and Sting and I do have a lot of a lot in common. I just think it's like, there's first of there's so much going on. Second, I've read those and I'm like, I don't maybe like there's first of there's so much going on. Second, like I've read those and I'm like, I don't maybe like one or two of these traits possibly. But then it's like, I know a lot of elegant people who are not Libras, you know, or like people who are in

justice. It's not like an exact prescription, right? That like everyone is exactly this way. Do you do, do you do taro? No. Really? No. I feel like you'd be into tarot. This is actually a great segue into talking about a story that we published today that I think you want to talk about. I'm not talking about it. I'm not talking about it. I'm not talking about it. Which is.

Oh my God. I read this with like, I was salivating. Which, it's also kind of a sad story. We did this story called Goths for Trump, which is about, Eric, do you want to talk about it a little bit? It is about the like, alt-right subculture within the sub-culture of God. And it's both... I'm trying to figure out whether or not I actually think this is like surprising to me that there would be like a, you know, goth-right.

Well, when you think of the goth-right is good, I hadn't even thought. I mean goth-right as a... I mean, guess what this is, the hashtag they use. But, okay, here's the things to think about. When you think of a goth, and which I do all the time, I'm thinking about goth. Like, what are the traits of a goth that we know? What are, I just don't think it was historically, what do I know about goth, three true? Depressed, like to wear black, sort of interested in.

See, I don't see that at all. Any goths they've ever known, it's like they've overcome something. They're usually pretty open-minded because they've dealt with a lot of stuff in their own. They're usually very like well-read. I wouldn't say like outgoing, but at least like they have like a social circle that they've worked hard. Depressed is the wrong word. Yeah, introvert. Maybe introvert. It's not interesting in dark. Yeah, in the dark arts. Yeah. Dark stories, you know, murder, vampires.

I had done it by a little bit with the whole goth. I like dark stuff. I think I was probably- It's adjacent to true crime people. It's also really about an interest in music and books. It's not even so much. It's like I used to make fun of furries, but it's not actually about I think

the other Ken stuff is, which I still don't have a problem with, but it's usually the furry people are like, I really like anthropomorphic animals and cartoons and like, that's it. I'll say this is cool. In my youth, in my teenage years, certainly as I got into like rave culture, like you know, like the cure interested in the occult

and very nerdy, pretty introverted, pale. I mean, I feel like I was like, you know, like, you definitely had traits that were... You could have been a health goth. No, I could have been an unhealthy God. What's like the health goth, and the health goth. I don't know what that is. Health goth, uh,

health goth is like, it's like a Godfd works out, right? It's like all black, ethleisure. Yeah, exactly. It's like Rikoans is health goth. But that's just like, that's just like a New Yorker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, exactly. It's like Rico ends is health. God. That's just like that's just like a New Yorker. Yeah, it's like. Yeah, it's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. Yeah. Yeah. Our health. Yeah. But like, so I understand it. I do think it is.

I always thought of the goth scene. Like my memories of it in Pittsburgh. It's like super inclusive. It's like. yeah. Not judgemental. Like, of course not. I mean, growing up on the island, the one of the only places I would feel like super safe is like in a hot topic or like one of those like goth-related stores at the mall because like, no, there's no judgment there.

It's like, what's up? It's like a such a late stage goth thing though. Hey, it's more like emo stuff. But it's when goth and rave culture collided and people had jankos like black jankos with tons of chains, but they were goth, which is not, was not a result. It's like, is Hannah Rave culture collided and people had jankos like black jankos with tons of chains But they were goth which is not was panic at the disco goth. No, but like very influenced and adjacent Yeah, my chemical romance and property and the black parade is you know Obviously appropriate goth culture like we were saying the spice girls spice up your life video is not cyberpunk

like we were saying the Spice Girls Spice of your life video, it's not Cyberpunk, but it's not Cyberpunk. I thought about that, but yeah. Well, you're arguing about Lady Gaga, I'm bracing Cyberpunk, we were talking about Cyberpunk, which is how I ended up doing this. Sorry, I do think what I, it's true about her, which is true about a lot of this other, whether you take, it's like when Rihanna did her

C-Punk performance on SNL and it was like all the Tumblr stuff, it's like she's not like part of that scene. But some, like using, you're appropriating or using the digital. Her like art director was like, starts to re-on it. This is hot and she's like, yeah, cool, let's do it, you know? Like, I'm not saying she didn't have a pardon, but it's like anyhow, but like, yeah, I think that the turn of any of, any

goths, but it also, it sort of makes sense because there's also this weird crossover with the culture. How did they get here? Yeah, it got a culture with like Naz's also this weird crossover with the culture. How did they get here? How did they get here? They got a closure with like Nazism and like the occult and Nazism have like a weird crossover. I mean, it's in the story and like the fringe part of it is certainly the being feeling

like an outcast. Well, that's what I think is like the part that it's like is this surprising because it is a, you know, a culture of like, you know, somewhat marginalized or people who feel marginalized. And then that's, I guess, has direct, you know. But do Trump feel marginalized? That's it. I mean, that is their claim. I feel like Trump is racist.

Yeah. It's, there are racists in every group. And if you're a racist, you do feel marginalized. Because you're like, why does nobody get that I'm hard of the mastermind? Right. That's the thing. That's the thing. The other thing that's not surprising

is that when you really think about it, there are racists who like every genre of music, there are racists where every go, which is just a thing. All the times, profiles are like, he listens to top 40. And you're like, oh, you're at a bar in Ohio. And we don't have a racist.

But he's a neo-naughty. But he loves Kanye. But he's a Nazi-naughts you but he loves like he loves Kanye but he's a Nazi it's like wow like that was like wow it's like he probably isn't thinking too much about it um a lot of homophobes watch Ellen it's like that is what it is really yeah sure she's everybody watches Ellen yeah that's I mean I think it's a little cheesy for my taste. Well, that's why I was sort of like this. I love it. What, it's so cheesy. Okay, so, I'll give it not the point. I'm just saying that's our watching. No, I'm just saying that like I think that

that the article was both like, or just the idea of these people being like, well, you know, I'm really into this burlesque community and then when they found out that I supported Trump, I was ostracized and now I've become even more. I hate that though, because like being ostracized did not make you more raises. You just felt more emboldened.

No, that's the, that's the, no, that's the, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, I found your other people who were like also being extremely racist. And you're like, oh, yeah, you guys hate all those people too. Oh, I love the argument. This is the reason why. This is such a common argument for bad behavior. It's like Roseanne's thing where she was like, I was on Ambien or whatever. And it's like, it's like, I've been on Ambien. I'm not like, oh, you know what?

I hate black people, actually. I never thought about black people. It lowers your inhibition. You know, it doesn't shake. Yes, that's it. It lowers the shit like that. It's always like a thing. Like, who just did something like this?

Like I have drank too much, spent too much money, hooked up with people. I shouldn't bought things. I shouldn't gone places. I shouldn't said things to people that were like secrets. But all of that stuff was like stuff I knew, stuff I would have maybe bought. And then Clination, I had to go hang out with these people.

I love buying things for people that feels nice. But I did it on a scale. I wouldn't have. I have never in my life had enough to drink, where I was like suddenly, I think all black people. I know that's crazy. The thing about the ostracized thing is similar in the sense that if you're ostracized from a group

and they're like you're being racist, a normal person I think, a normal, a person who's thinking clearly would be like, you know what, maybe actually my opinions, maybe some of the stuff I was saying was wrong. Maybe I should a normal, like a person who's thinking clearly would be like, you know what, maybe actually my opinions, maybe some of the stuff I was saying was wrong. Like maybe I should be analyzed. But these people, I've done that.

These people are like, this is pushed me further into my opinions. Like why? Because like you were told, like I was told that I was wrong and I push out of this group and so it made me feel more of those things. Like yeah, that's a that's a problem that has nothing to do with you being ostracized like you actually feel those things anyhow. I want

to pull up my the one thing that when I read it, I was just like this is yes, it's just it's too good. And this piece was by her name is Stephanie Dubick and she has written about goth culture before she did a great story for Bradley about elder Goths. I loved it. I loved it. It's so good. Just the idea that you don't have to, you know, out of your 20s and 30s, like grow out of being Goth. I was like, you can't. Oh, they've got an old Goth. Yeah. And then you should continue to be Goth. I can't like, by the way, there was a picture that I wanted to use. I'm sorry. I have to, I need to show you this picture that I wanted to use in this story,

but we don't have the getty license that allowed us to use it. I just loved the little details, like finding eyeliners that work with Crow's feet and stuff. Oh, I was just gonna say that was like such a good, I mean, she like does advice for like how to continue being goth into your like, I love watching makeup tutorials with older women because they say they just give advice, which is just like, you can watching makeup tutorials with older women because they say they

just give advice, which is just like, you can't, we're not using highlighter because it just doesn't work on older skin, but this is an option you have to like look luminous and just interesting to watch that. Okay. Your identity doesn't change when you're skinned. There was a picture. This is oh my god. Oh my god.

This is, there's a picture and I'm going to like share it on social of, of, um, Trump's doctor. This Trump's doctor. This is his doctor. He's like, it looks so goth, it's out of control. And he's standing in front of a truck. He's standing in front of a truck that says goth on it. I was like, I can't believe this picture exists, but we couldn't use it anyhow.

Wait, let me hear this quote. Well, one of the reasons the goths say they support Trump is some cited the president's desire to bring factory jobs back to America, which might allow them to work graveyard shifts in dark dungeon like settings a Goths wet dream according to one supporter. I was just like, excuse me. This is like so on another planet. This is so far.

How many like steps away from it? Do you have to, you're like, okay, well, yeah, I don't agree with Trump, but what you was going to bring factory jobs back and I do need a job and also I wanna work in a dungeon like invite. See the only reason I voted for it. The only reason I voted for Taylor Clinton is like, I was a big fan of Golden Girls. I enjoy like a shoulder pad and I thought,

like, just a little more of those said cover newspapers. So if I was a newspaper, yeah. What are we talking about? I think that's like exactly. So a lot of leaves. Yeah, no, it's many leaves. Anyhow, you should definitely, one should definitely read it because it's an incredible story.

I was delighted when I did a little art directing on the post because Leah knew that I was very excited about the Goths for Trump story and she was like, do you want to take a stab at this? No pun intended. I have to tell you, if you search Shutterstock for the word Goth, a lot of good material on there. In fact, I will say searching Shutterstock once a week to do these posts is such a joy. It's the best. The things you find.

No, it's the best. It's interesting like the Goth. First off, no, you can't find a Goth Trump related stuff. Yeah. Basically, it doesn't exist. I think that's a really good stuff. There is a photo that has been floating around on the internet of a girl who's definitely goth holding a sign. It says, goth for Trump,

but it is a Photoshopped image of this girl who's actually holding a sign. It says, goth for Bernie, which makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I have to say, I feel like Bernie is fairly goth in and of himself, and it makes more sense to me that a goth would be a kind of a Bernie person. Yeah, more than a Hillary person more than anything

A goth a goth to me it would fall down on Bernie or maybe and I don't want to talk about this We need to move on but a Jill Stein person. It seems very goth the Jason to me But we should end on our good thing. Oh, we should do. Okay, right. So, I know you have to go, but we've been doing this thing every week where we basically talk about things that we like that we're either doing or seeing or into that can be internet or non-internet, can be one thing, can be multiple things. You don't have to start. Okay.

Usually I have Ryan's start because I'm always, I never need a rumble. Cause I never prepare for this and I'm always like, oh God. I have lots of coping mechanisms. And Ryan usually has thought about it more. I usually have Ryan start because I need a rumble. I never prepare for this and I'm always like, oh God. I have lots of coping mechanisms. And Ryan usually has thought about it more. So he'll do one and then I can do it. And then if you. I wrote one for Jeremy for stuff we liked this week,

like just in our ago. Oh, you did. So you want to swap it? I want to go. I think I did a stuff we like. My stuff we like last week was one of my things from this, which was red wine. Do you want to start?

Let's start. I am enjoying Jim as Jack Ryan. I just started watching. like last week was one of my things from this, which was red wine. Do you wanna start? Let's start. I am enjoying Jim as Jack Ryan. I just started watching Tom. Oh no, you're watching that? I just started it after like weeks of being like, why would I watch this? Pete put it on.

I watched the first few episodes. And the, I mean, it is not great. Yeah. However, Jim, John Cresson goes his tires and tires. John Cresson is like, it's extremely ripped now. He looks fantastic. And he's got some buns. Yes, he says we see buns.

And, you know, I have to say that that is bringing me. Is John Cresson's ski hot? He is now. He's like very hot. I know what I thought he was very hot. You know, as Jim, it's like. Oh, I like that. Is it the beard?

Is it the beard? I like that, Matt. I like that Chris Pratt. Yeah, I like that Chris Pratt. But I think he's very sure. Maybe the only one I think, I mean Rob McEllenray looks fine. But I think that Jim's transition into like action start to from like adorably cute, like I just want to squeeze

your little tummy to like, oh, you're a man and I respect that. Has been very natural. It is very much like actual life. Like you went from boy to man. You feel like you saw him grow up into Chris Pratt since he was under eating. But when it comes back to him, he should just still be, yeah.

I expected him to just still be Jim somehow. And like that's not fair. He's not. That's not fair. I didn't give him credit for like having range, but he. Well, listen, Emily Blantzellaki woman. Here's what I want to know because you know, when Lauren and I met, I did not have a beard. And she was like, you should grow a beard.

And now a beard is my thing. Yeah, look at her. And thank you. I mean, have you ever seen my face without it? Yes. It's not good. It's a lot of bad stuff under here. So I'm hiding. I've never seen you without a beard. It it's not good. It's a lot of bad stuff under here. So I'm hiding, it's a little weird.

I've never seen you without it. It's like wearing a mask, which is very cool, which I like. The glasses in my beard, what I've said, I've always said this. Did you ever not wear glasses? I used to not wear glasses. If I shaved the beard until the glasses off,

I could disappear. I could just disappear into the night. Nobody would be able to find me. People have introduced themselves to me since I've had red hair and been like, hello, nice to meet you. And I'm like, you are my cousin. But I think I just look so different with red hair.

And it's now a full time. I forget what color was your hair previous to that? So it's like a really dark, obbernate, so it looked mostly brown, but all I needed to do was throw a tiny little bleach on it, and I had bright red hair. I think it's actually really bold that you went towards being a redhead.

Yeah, you told me when I got it in front of a redhead, you went, nobody wants to be a redhead, everyone's running away from that. And I was like, I do. I think for men, it's a controversial place. But I think that redheads like really embrace their redheadedness. It's like, it's a personality.

It's a personality. It's a thing. It's a red hat from the family show with all the people, modern family. Oh yeah. He's a very... That's the Tyler Ferguson. Oh yeah.

Extreme red head. Eric Stoltz, hardcore red head. Stoltz. I don't think Jesse Tyler Ferguson has the red head personality, but I do. Oh really? Yeah. So did Lucille Bonsch?

I don't know, what does that mean? Like, what does the red head personality? You can adopt the Red Hat personality though. What is the Red Hat personality? Like, the Renzi Lauerhand did it. It like comes on. What is the Red Hat personality? It's charismatic, I think it's funny,

which is the two things that I think I have going for me in general, but it's also like not, I'm very open about saying I have no skills at all except being able to talk, and in a crisis, I keep my cool for three days. Like if someone dies, I'm good for three days. So there's two things in the world that I could do. I fell apart.

I fell apart. So I think the redhead personality is like it's not basic but it's not like you're not adding a ton of complications visually. So your thing is you were watching the Jack Ryan series on Amazon. To bring it all the way back. But it's very specifically just like, and also what's his name, the guy who's bunk in the wire. They're like, the two of them are very good on this show. The rest of the show is like,

I mean, you watched all of it? No, no, not all. I watched the first three or four episodes. No, maybe I'll check it out. I don't know. I'm not gonna like recommend it. Do you just said you recommended it for our stuff? You well stuff we love I'm recommending the buns. Yeah

Do you do nudity John Christmas is there a new scene y'all? Yeah, he looks great I looked it up. What a week for nudity. It's a Batman shows his penis in a new comic and And and Jim's show up a bunch Yeah, you do about that. And Jim's show off her buns. I'm not seeing him out, I don't even know. It's just an out-of-the-line really. You barely see anything. I try to.

All right, Ryan, you're gonna do. My thing is, I, another television show, I cannot believe that nobody is watching or talking about the creative masterpiece, hilariousness, and off the walls breaking every convention show that is HBO's animals. I love it. I think it gets completely overshadowed

by like Poe Jack Horseman and they're not similar at all. And I love Poe Jack Horseman. Which was also a great piece for us. Jeff Ahazard wrote a great piece for us. The Duke of Brothers, about animals two years ago, or a year and a half ago or something, which I read and I was like, wow, this is like the first thing I read about animals where I was like,

this show seems really interesting. I wanna watch it. On a recent episode, Natasha Leone played an anthropomorphic VHS tape copy of Can't Hardly Wait in which she discovered her lesbianism, and that was her story line on the episode. And I was like, this is a show we need to watch. Wow. Wow.

I haven't been tuned into this most recent season. Well, I've seen three seasons before. Season four, I think. I mean, didn't the Duplass brothers, oh, one of the Duplass brothers just did something really stupid. Yeah, he said something like thatash brothers, oh, one of the duplash brothers just did something really stupid. Yeah, he said something like that. Ben Shapiro's great, good machine. Yeah, there was like, you're an idiot

and then he like quit Twitter. And he was like, no, this isn't productive. And I was like, just go make a true crime back in the name about how you did this tweet. Yeah, oh, that's a good idea. So I feel like every week, my thing is like buying something which says something about my personality, which is, I don't know, that's my only place where I'm.

I said this on a loss in episode of Tomorrow, but I have repeated several times on the show that I think your biggest talent in the world is comparison shopping and finding the best version of a very specific thing. Well, how long and it's funny, it's short. So actually, this is actually a two-parter,

but they're connected. That's a good skill to have. Especially on the internet, I mean, it's funny you should. It's actually this is actually a two-parter, but they're connected. That's a good skill to have. Yeah, especially on the internet. I mean, it's useful and you know, you get to find so. Okay, so this is a two-parter. My brother-in-law and his fiance, Sylvia Kelleyne's worth. I don't know if they want me to talk about this publicly,

but I'm doing it anyhow. They've just bought a house near us. And they're moving this Friday, it's very exciting. Everybody's going north, by the way, it's very hot. If you're interested in the future, it's all about north of the city. Anyhow, they, I, Lauren, I were trying to think of like, what should we get them for the house,

for the housewarming, or just, you know, as a present. And a few, like a year ago, I bought her this little, I bought a little tool set for our house that's just like, because my stuff's like, I have stuff in the garage or whatever, but so I scattered and it's like, here's just all this basic stuff you need. So it's like, let's get them a tool set that has like all of the stuff you need. If anything breaks, anything goes wrong, a B-to- hang a picture, whatever. And so then I started comparison shopping, these like household tool sets, and there were fucking millions of them. So trying to buy a knife.

It kind of, like when I cut bread, and then I found one, and there we are. I'm like, this one seems good, and then I found a review, and actually Laura may write something about this for us because we were talking about it.

And the review is written by a guy who seems like maybe he's in his, I wouldn't say he's a senior citizen, but he's an older man. And he talks about, and he talks about being married to his wife for 30 years and how she asked him for a toolset for Christmas because she wanted to have her own tools to fix stuff. And he goes into this whole thing about what a nightmare was to try to find like a good one and how good the one is

that he found and then it has this kind of life lesson at the end of it and then I started reading more of his reviews and I started to get to know him. A little bit, he's got a son, he's got a teenage son and he's into electronics and they, He's retired that he's like somewhere writing all these reviews. He's also a reviewer, which Laura called him,

I didn't know this was a thing. She's like, oh, he's a five star. I was like, what's that? She's like, all these reviews are like five stars. I'm like, oh my God, yeah, all these reviews are like for things that he emphatically loves. Well, that's the thing about reviews, right? It's either for five stars or for one star.

Or one star. I don't know. But they're like, they sent me the wrong lead for this pencil. I wanted black and they sent me some horrible blue color. And it's like, okay, yeah, that would be the best. Yeah, if you would, if you would, if I look at like a belt review, it's like worked, worked, worked, worked. I was meld and envelope that was torn.

And when I went in, I cut my finger on the tape a paper. And you're like, so, but about this belt. So, so you have a paper cut. What about the belt? Yeah, so my thing started as like, like those tool sets, I think are really cool. I think they're awesome and an amazing gift is like, you get, here's all the tools you need to do stuff.

But then actually the thing that I really am loving and enjoying is like, what I realized is that you really can learn about a person reading their Amazon reviews. And I think that, and I think that, and I think that, a lot about you. I think it's interesting, it's just we don't realize how many non-writers, like we're around writers all the time.

People are always telling stories and all this shit. But these little reviews that he wrote are such perfect slices of his life and so eloquently like told. And very matter of fact, not like fancy. I don't know. I felt like Lauren and I were reading them to each other in bed last night.

And I just felt like very, I felt very, I'm very excited to be honest with you. I each other in bed last night. I just felt very, very, very, I'm fine with this. And I'm like, I'm trying to start a contract. Yeah, yeah. No, it's good. It's like, it's just like, he just injects, like he talked about some shoes he bought for working out.

He's like, my son that go to the gym every week and I'm glad they make shoes for older people that aren't flashy because like, I don't want to wear like bright neon colors. And like, it's like, wow, I'm learning about like how you feel. He's like, it's subconsciously. It's like, he doesn't want learning about like how you feel. He's like, it's subconsciously. He doesn't want to wear like flashy shoes, you know? And he has that. Maybe capitalism has benefits as a thing.

You know, listen, Amazon's a perplexing thing. It's like the one of the greatest things in the world. And then one of the worst things in the world. Like most, like most, I'm pretty good at diet coke, it's everything. It's like roads, you know? Roads are amazing. They connect us, we can get on one

and you can drive to California. But you know, a lot of people die in car accidents. Had to take a lot of that land from people. And they stole a lot of land and, you know, sometimes you hit deer. Yeah, well. On that happy note that we ended on the things we like. Yeah.

Erica, thank you so much. First off, I have to say I'm bummed, I'm annoyed that we have not done this sooner. I've been this conversation is, because we're, I popped my head into your office and I was like, you've never done the show. Guess what you're doing. Where can I also always tell you about business? And like business is a drag, you know, because we're, I popped my head into your office and I was like, you've never done the show. Guess what you're doing. Where can I also always tell you about business?

And like business is a drag. You know, you're like, we gotta do this or we can just sound out this contract. You're like, let's try to much rather talk about the Americans. Yes. Well, that's the thing is the other day when we were talking about it.

I'm gonna set a meeting in the conference room. I did not realize how much Erica was passionate about the Americans. Yes, I saw everyone. They should watch it. Watch the Americans. Are you getting kickbacks from that? Yes, I should. I mean, maybe I should.

Love Stan Coltrane. Anyhow, well thank you for coming and having a conversation on podcast. And we have to do it again because this has been extremely entertaining. And I feel like we've only scratched the surface of topics. Yes, there's so many seasons of the Americans. How many are there? Six. Okay, it's been two.

Maybe you should do an Americans podcast, you're a thought about that? I mean, it's a little late for me to say the Americans. The Pods save the Americans. Wow. Wow. That's very good. Anyhow, Erica, thank you. Thank you. Well, that is our show for this week, but we'll be back next week with more tomorrow, and as always, I wish you and your family the very best. Though I understand your family is going to be the subject of a new DC black label comic and some very bad things happen to them. you