Tomorrow - 135: Leah Finnegan, the Mother of Fear

Episode Date: October 12, 2018

This week Josh and Ryan are perplexed by Kanye West's iPhone password, excited that James Gunn is joining Suicide Squad 2, and bored by the American Music Awards. They also got their hands on Google's Pixel 3 and the Apple Watch Series 4. Then it's over to The Outline's features director Leah Finnegan to talk about her celebrity dog, government sieges, and the worst word in all of publishing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Josh with Tupolki. Today on the podcast we discuss Adam and Eve Vincent Denafrio and being cis. I don't waste one minute let's get right into it. Well Ryan's another week. Yeah it is. Another perfect week where nothing bad happened in this country or in any country really. And everybody's feeling pretty good. You know, we're living in a Brett Kavanaugh. Brett Kavanaugh's America. Brett Kavanaugh's America. And you know, it's, it's, you know, this is what they'll look back when the handmaids

are in the tending to their, whatever they know, whatever bad shit they're forced to do. We'll look back and go. This was it. This was the be moment that we made the hammer. America is reborn. Now it's great again. I do like the idea of, you know, science, I mean, I like the one part of the hand may sell I think is good is I like they do that nobody can have any more kids. It's like let's just end it here. No, you know, I say that, but I have a great kid. And so I don't think I really believe that. I will say this. I don't know. I'm like post dread. What do you call that?

Judge dread? No, like dread. There's the dread of everything everything bad happening. Then you're kind of like, you know what? Just gonna have to live now. No, you have to do this. Yeah, it's been normalized for you and now you're complacent. I guess complacency and Normalizing and I guess you know, it's like just like voting in the midterms is even you know, it doesn't matter I maybe my voice out that important. Nothing matters. Low nothing matters. Go vote, go vote, go vote. Please vote. Okay. I do feel like we're at the end of I can feel it. I can feel my spirit. I can feel my spirit like it the waning breaking point.

Oh, yeah. My depression is where like if the midterm do not, if there are not some positive signs in the midterms, if we don't at least flip, you're just going to lay down and take it. I just think it's like well, this is it then this is this is working where it live in a in a like a Decatur ship. I'm starting to feel a little bit like the waves are gonna come when they come and like I'm gonna do whatever I can I'm not gonna like give up. I'm not gonna stop voting or being act like active, but like They're gonna come when they come how they come and like there's not a ton I don't know like the these these ways that America goes through these horrible things just like active, but like they're gonna come when they come, how they come and like there's not a ton,

I don't know, like these, these ways that America goes through these horrible things, just you gotta do what you can do, but you can't, I've been sitting around thinking like, someone's gotta fix it, blah, blah, blah, it's like, you know, everyone's gotta relearn that, you know, Republican economics don't work through a disaster and we're gonna have to go to war

for people to realize wars are bad again. And like, well, we're gonna have to look, I mean, we're going to have to get out there and vote in this midterm. Oh, yeah. This is me these midterms. And then, you know, let's just see if there can be a difference because I feel like we don't know now. I mean, well, we know that there can be a difference if you elect a wrong person to be president, but I mean, we got to do stuff. You can't stop donating money and voting all that stuff, but at the same side of the coin is I can't the wrong person to be president. But um, I mean, we got to do stuff. You can't stop donating money and voting all that stuff, but at the same side of the coin is I can't, I don't know if it's just depression speaking, but like I can't

get in knots and like furious and anxious constantly. And like it's just too much. Well, but also listen, I mean, maybe I'm feeling a little bit sluggish because the team went out to do karaoke last night. My voice is also kind of fucked up because I was screaming songs. You know, here's my thing about when I read Duke karaoke. I want to, we read a place that I've never been before, which is fine, but you couldn't control the levels of anything.

I thought the vocals were mixed way too loud and the music was mixed too quietly. And I find that really aggravating. I like to have a nice balance between the, you know, I honestly don't think that people should be really, their voices should be really loud during karaoke. Because first of everybody's screaming. Second, you know, not everybody can sing. It's nice to kind of bury it a little bit. That's a tricky learn when you're producing music. You know, bury the vocals.

Yeah, put it in the back to you. But anyhow, but I saw screaming, you know, bear the vocals. Yeah, put in the matter yet. But anyhow, but I saw screaming, you know, nickel back and turns out like a teenage dirt bag by weed is was a big, big hit amongst certain karaoke crowds. But anyhow, so I'm feeling maybe my, the way I'm feeling right now is not just a overall fatigue, but it might be a specific fatigue due to drinking and karaoke but it might be a specific fatigue due to drinking and karaoke. Lately, to be evening. But yeah, I know, I mean, look, I just think it's like we've said it so many times and now we're kind of at the, it's kind of like, okay, it's like a month away. Yeah, the midterms are a month away. In a month, in this, like at this time next month, we will either be like, wow, things have changed in America. It's time for some more even handed governance

or we're gonna be like, wow, like we're really fucking, we're not coming back from this one. Yeah, cause I don't know. I mean, if there's enough, if whatever's going on is enough motivation to get people out, then people don't care. They just don't. I'm worried about the young youngsters.

The young... I think that all of this is normal. The young folks. Yeah, especially because I mean, like it's great that Taylor Swift did a post on Instagram being like you should vote and you should vote for not Republicans. That's, that's, I mean, was it overdue? Sure, but it's like, great she did it and it caused a huge spike in voter, like, registration or maybe it didn't, but the people said and it caused a huge spike in voter like registration or maybe it didn't but The people said that it did but who who really knows? Um, but ultimately like that's a little even depressing too because it's like I

Mean I was that age and I guess if a pop star at the time it told me to I mean I was very politically active So it's hard to contact rock the vote, but it's like fuck like really? That's what got you interested after everything that's going on. It's like, I guess with the young people part of it is like they feel invulnerable and immortal because they're young. But it just was like, fuck like that. You think this is all normal

and that you don't need to vote because like who cares? It's all normal. But I just remember when I was, when I was a teen, I just, and a young adult. I do remember not even thinking or about or watch. I mean, like there was definitely a period where it just didn't occur. Yeah, the first time I cared about politics was like 9-11, but I, no point did I really think the Bush administration was normal.

Yeah, but really? Like I was never like replaced and they like, well, that's the president. Everybody hates him. Well, like I remember being like, no, this, I remember the Lewinsky thing and being like, that's weird, but not being like, oh, the whole country's fucked. Like with the bush stuff, I remember thinking like, this is not good.

And I was like, what, fucking 12? Yeah, the, I mean, I definitely remember, I mean, Monica Lewinsky, that whole, the Clinton Lewinsky thing was a big deal, but not in the sense that you felt like. It was like the OJ thing or the John Beney Ramsey thing or you're like, this is salacious and juicy but it wasn't like world's cataclysmic.

Yeah, I mean, that was an interesting era of the 90s were interesting man. Thanks Ted Turner. Really weird. I mean, what a weird time to grow up and experience. Oh yeah. Like whatever news is going to become. But, but you know, I do, yeah, I think it's different. I mean, I think that I, I, I have trouble believing

in a post 9-11 world, that if you're a young person that you're not, I mean, also the internet has made like political information much more available and much more part of like, it's seen, feels like it's part of the constant dialogue, like, no matter what. But to you, right right you don't know It's like you're like on stand Twitter like like stand Luna BTS amazing love Ariana Grande like are you getting?

Yeah, box explainers retweeted it into your timeline. I hope you're not I mean look I you know listen I'm I'm on the kids Instagram. I mean I'm checking out what the teens are doing you got a Finsta I got a Finsta where I'm on it or I monitor lots of teens. Now, I don't and that would be creepy if I did. But I, you know, they, there's new stuff. I talked to some people at Instagram recently, actually, they're like, oh, there's just really interesting stuff going on news on the, on the platform where people are like, you know, of course,

they're like copying and pasting like headlines from websites into like Instagram posts and those are getting like tons of likes and comments. It's like, okay, well that's one way of getting information I guess. You stole somebody's content and then put it in a Instagram story. I started Instagram photo that now is like people are arguing about it. Anyhow, what the hell are we talking about? Oh yeah, the point is like, we gotta do something on these midterms. Gotta get something going.

And if not, then you know, I'm ready to just just lean back. The point is, Copa's phone password is six zeros. Papa weed gummy. And just watch the apocalypse come rolling over me like the sweet white hot flames of nuclear conflagration that they will be.

Kanye West, yeah, we think my news now. Sure, Mr. Kanye West, or is I like to refer to him, Mr. Kanye West, which is what sting referred to him as when he performed with the police at like glass and barrier or something. Yeah, it turns out his phone password is six zeros. So he chose the more stringent iPhone security schema, which is six digits instead of four, but he chose the less secure and actually completely insane six, not just of the same digits,

but of zero, which is like, you know, you're Kanye. I mean, you're just so, come on. People want to hack you so bad. People want to hack you so bad. If you want to hack you so bad It at least put a one in there throw them off zero zero. It is one Zero zero zero that people fuck people up or make a little shape Make a little square. Yeah, I don't know any rate. So in case you wrote a little blog post about that Which is you know, what can you say? I mean P.S. we found this out while he was like, hanging with his best buddy, Trump being like, listen, Hillary said I'm with her and that felt, you know, that's a lady thing and you had good.

Yeah, he was, and he was like, I didn't feel like that included me because I'm not a woman and your hats, like, listen, they made me feel powerful. I put on that red hat and I feel like I'm in a superman cape. I was like, I want a fucking die. This is the reality we live in I'm sorry if I were Kim if I were Kim take this anymore

I would fucking don't him so fucking hard and fast Like like if Laura was like spent the day if Laura was like mental health issues yesterday And like maybe it's to run for an office or something But how can you go from that to like a card ashy? I'm dealing with Kanye West and being like I'm sorry if Laura if I came home I came home and Laura was like, uh, yeah, I'm into Trump now. And I've got a mug. I have done. I can barely talk to family members at this point.

I feel like yeah, we're going to have to get. We're going to get divorced. Yeah. No, I'd be done. I mean, it's not fun. It's not funny. No, it's not even like, it's not even like a, uh, an odd couple thing. We were like, one of them's a Republican and one's Democrat.

How will they ever make it work? Like it's not, it's just fucking gross at this point. Well it's just tells you everything you need to know about a person they're either stupid or horrible. I mean you know to quote uh... To quote Charlie XCX big take me back to 1999. To quote Kanye West. Sorry. To quote Kanye West, it ain't funny anymore. Try different jokes. You know, no one's laughing. Kanye or crying. It's fine. Speaking of crying, the global market has plunged

and the Dow Jones collapsed yesterday. Bring it on. Let it let it let the let the truth about our economy is gonna happen. You know what's gonna happen, there'll be a blue wave. The economy will collapse over the next year and everyone will say, wow, Democrats will ruin the economy. It was great when we're Republicans.

It was a matter of Republicans who cares. I mean, the, the, the, the, this is gonna happen. The important thing to remember is that the more the more the more the more the more the more the remember is that, you know, I bill Mars the more the you remember. The more the you remember is that, you know, I, Bill Mars, the worst, but I did watch one of his things recently and he, I mean, his point was stupid,

but he, part of his point was smart. Which you don't say? Yeah, I know, but his thing was like, don't protest these people in restaurants go and vote because like, the only thing that matters, you basically was making, I'm like, I'm like, people can multitask. You can protest in the restaurant,

and you can vote like, do both. Yep. Like, make these making, I'm like, I'm like, people come multitask. You can protest in the restaurant, say, you can vote, like, do both. Yeah. Like, make these people, make people feel that they are not welcome. Like if you're a Republican, if you're Mitch McConnell, I want you to literally everywhere you be, I want you to fucking feel bad. That's what I want, because that's how you make other people feel. Yeah. A lot of other people, tens of millions of people.

But here's the thing. The, what he, what he did make a point about, which is, which is an important point, and what we've talked about on this podcast is the, the, um, a minority of, uh, the people in America are being represented in a, in a, in a, in a majority of the government in a way that is insane. The majority of the people in America do not want the policies, the vast majority of these policies that are being put forward. And it's only through Jerry Mandering and replacing judges and putting people in the Supreme Court who are partisan,

highly partisan, as Brett Kavanaugh is, conservative justices, only by rearranging the maps, literally and figuratively, are Republicans able to stay in control. And so the thing that is most troubling about it, is that this is not a practice of a democratic country, you know, where the minority voices control the, control the decisions. The whole point of how the fucking Congress is set up is so that even, so that states that

don't have as big of a population still have some representation and say, and it's a weighted system, and you can't then take another step and be like, well, we also need to gerrymandor, and we need to like keep people from voting and purge voter rolls. But yeah, this is the one I was making this point about between North and South Dakota, how many senators there are.

And it's like, there are so many senators who are North and South Dakota, and they represent a minuscule amount of the population. Part of what I'm equal, right? Like the actual human beings in America, not just the states, not just the footprint of the states. So like the issue is the Republicans have just been working this for like 50 years.

Yeah. They've been whittling away at, they're like, well, our ideas are unpopular and the majority of the citizens don't agree with us. And they generally don't work. So it's not as if we could just like, you know, have an open discussion. I mean, it's not like we could sit down, have a debate, and really teach people

why our policies would work. They don't. So in order to jam them through because you want to benefit at the expense of everybody else, what do you do? A series of like fucking mouse traps. Yeah, no, that's it. It is a fucking Ponzi scheme.

I mean, the whole thing is set up to arrange the control in this country so that a minority group makes decisions that are against the majority and can hold onto that power. And what's really interesting is, increasingly they look like a death call. I tweeted about this the other day, but it was like, there's this story about how the problems are basically like, well, we can't fix climate change fast enough, so just burn it all down.

So who cares? They really are, it's between evangelical Christianity and just the greed and lack of giving a fuck about the future. You know, they really do look more and more like a death-called obsessed with only a couple of things. And those things are mainly like numbers. Just a number in their own account. Yeah, it's just money. It's power. It's the ability to enrich your friends. And ultimately, like, you know, I think there's a piece of the New Yorker, which

I think is called Adam Seuer, Seuer, I'm not sure I pronounced the last name, called Cruelty is the Point, which is about, you know, how they do kind of delight. The Kavanaugh thing, sorry, I'm rambling, my point is, my point is, it's in, it's, it's truly outrageous when you think about it. More than half of the people in the country who vote did not vote for, like, more than half. So that's not like, it's not like one, you know, yes, one side, one other side lost, but like, the one side that won is a side that doesn't care at all about the other side. And on the flip, I'm not saying Democrats are perfect, they're not, but they tend to be desirous of creating some kind of harmony between the parties.

And it's true that Republicans do not at all. Like they are steamrollers. They have no interest in doing anything that seems bipartisan now. When they got power and they held it, and they're holding it, they're not gonna do anything. But so the interesting thing is like, but it's just the transformation of the Republican Party from a party of,

like from the party of like, you know, limited, we believe in limiting government and we have different economic ideas and we know where the answer to people who believe the government will fix every problem. Like it's a transformation of that, like which is a point I guess and like a counter point and it's a necessary force in a system like ours

back in like, you know, the 40s and 50s and 60s. And it's a transformation of that to just like now Anita Bryant is the head of the Republican Party. Like, you know what I mean? It's like Phyllis Schulfleye is now like the person who's making like economic policy. And it's like this unmitigated hatred,

which is just like anger about something out of your control or something in the world that's bad. It's like, oh, you know, there is a lot of violence and a lot of shootings. And it's like, who can I get mad at? Well of violence and a lot of shootings and it's like who can i get mad at well if i get mad about guns and they're going to take my guns on a cost me something in order to solve the problem yeah and said i'm just gonna like fucking hate black people it's the get off my lawn party it's it's i mean it literally is the get it's the grand charino get off my

lawn party but here's the thing but the fucking thing is um... that the other thing is that it's we we politics in this country, like the two party system, I don't wanna go down a rabbit hole. Two party system is like, yeah, I know, we're talking about Kanye's phone now, right? But like, two party system is flawed. Like, it's too polarized, it's so disparate.

Like, we're so far away from being able to have a reasonable debate about things, like, forget about like, abortion for a second, you know, because that's too hot button of an issue. But when it comes to like, you know, there's certain aspects of taxes and tax law where there are Democrats or Republicans that who agree on those things.

I mean, it just comes down to stuff which is like asbestos causes cancer, it's bad. Why are you, what are we talking about? You're bringing it, like what? What's the point of any of that? I just think it's a bit of what I'm saying is like, there's no nuance to the representation anymore. It's just, you just are like, you're.

I mean, and we're all fucking bending over ourself being like, great job, Jeff Flake. Like, fuck you, seriously? That's like, Jeff Flake, can go to fucking hell. I can't't and burn their poll I truly can't take it all right let's hear about some other news let's get off this politics bullshit all right so I guess we won't talk about Olivia Nosey oh yeah I don't want to oh boy Google that

uh uh um let's see what else uh I got pixels I got the Apple Watch and you got you get the Apple watch yeah the pixel XL. Hey feeling it's exactly like the pixel 2 XL But I guess like a little faster has these stupid fucking notches that are so annoying that I had to download pieces off Where to black I mean honestly, I'm not I there's not much to say except it's like the cameras really fucking amazing Yeah, it's good and I'm on the edge. I'm very very close to buying a Galaxy Note 9. Oh, yeah, because I really am like Disgusted by the notch. I'm really disgusted by the notch and I see I see only taking a moral stamp I see only bad design there. Although I know the Galaxy Note 9 camera isn't as good. Yeah, I mean also who fucking cares at this point Maybe I'll give a knife on XR just call it a day. I don't know, but I will say this it's a fine phone

It's beautifully designed. It's except for the notch. I mean will say this. It's a fine phone, it's beautifully designed, except for the notch. I mean, it's a good phone. People are like, oh my God, the bottom part, it's like, who cares, that shit's insignificant. Like it doesn't matter. Like it is, there's a lot of screen, mostly screen. And it's a great phone.

But, you know, there's some of my official review. But the notches are disgusting, and I don't know what they were thinking. I do, I will say this, I know someone, and I think this is very brilliant, I'm not gonna name this, I know somebody who was involved in the production of the event.

And he said there was a debate, and I think this would have been brilliant, there was a debate amongst the people putting on the Google event to have a notch on the presentations for you. Oh, my God. To have the whole screen have a notch on the top of it. What a wonderful troll.

Isn't that an amazing idea? I was like, dude, if you'd done that, it would have been like, rate as seriously the greatest thing to that of all time. I guess, you know, he got voted down. Oh, the idea, but it was very funny. Anyhow, so that's, yeah, there's not much to say. They have a stand.

It's like, whatever, oh, and the Pixel, some slate thing, which is like, I don't know, technology should fucking boring right now. I know. I was going to say that Apple Watch, it's like, I missed having a smartwatch. I got it for free. And it's beautiful. It's very well constructed. It's definitely the best Apple watch ever. Probably definitely the best smartwatch ever. It's the heart monitor thing is great, which is the main reason I took it instead of John taking it. I like getting notifications on my right. But at the end of the day, is all of that worth $400? Of course not.

Of course it's not. Oh, $500 would sell you earlier. But you do not need one. I think a good watch is fine. It's fine. I think a good watch is something worth paying money on, but not a Apple watch. I mean, this depreciates in value. We should literally be obsolete in two years.

Yeah. I mean, it's fine. The wireless charging is good. The battery lasts a. Yeah, I mean, it's fine. The wireless charging is good. The battery lasts few days. I have, I mean, it's fine. It's just, it's, we have a very low key show today and I have to tell you it's a low key experience. You're like, oh, I got a text. Okay. I mean, I just just like, wait, what's the humidity? Oh, no, I know. I mean, technology's not incredible. It's not like, you know, suddenly of the internet and your pocket or something. I mean, I mean, you can't have explosive change every, every year, you know, suddenly of the internet and your pocket or something. I mean, you can have explosive change every year, you know.

It's like, yeah, the... Yeah, but it feels like it's been a while since we've had an explosive change. What's the last truly like exciting technology announcement that happened? I mean, VR and then it kind of flopped. I still enjoy my PSVR, but kind of flopped. Yeah. I mean, Pokemon Go got everybody up being like, A-R, again, kind of didn't go anywhere.

I mean, the last thing that I think, like- Text-slide, I guess, Tesla is like the Model 3. Yeah, I feel like the last thing that was like, everyone can have it, it's changing the world. Oh my God, it's so cool with the iPhone. And before that was the iPod, and before that was like the Game Boy. Like, I don't feel like there's been like a huge,

I mean, it was like the personal computer. Like, I just haven't felt, I guess like streaming services, but it's also boring at this point. I agree. I mean, I agree with that. I'm not saying that there's nothing it's just happening.

I guess now it's really a content where, oh my God, so I don't wanna complain about this. I just like, I try to watch things really hard lately. Like there's too many things. I don't mean there's too much. Oh, there's too many options. I mean, like the way these systems have been designed or so user aggressive. It's insane. Like the Apple TV trying to find

something to watch in the Apple TV is truly what I mean, Netflix auto playing the trailer every time you pull highlight something and there's 500 options and how about this? How about no interface or organization? How about all the fucking, how about now on YouTube? It's like it's like it immediately ends. Everything I watch, it's like I don't know what the last 15 seconds of it is because it starts another video. It's like, dude, chill to fuck out. And there's like annotations happening and it's like click on this and you can subscribe here.

You have to click the bell. But at least YouTube is like, oh, yeah. I mean, just trying to find like, I wanna watch this movie and it's like, I have to type it into Google is it streaming? It's find out that it's not. But also just the interface through which like Essentially, I mean in a way Sonos has the right idea. I mean their implementation is kind of janky

But it's like I should have a central interface that should be my only interface. It should work one way if I Can see a movie from showtime? I Don't want to see the showtime app. Yeah, I don't want to load up. I don't want to authenticate. Dude, you know how? Cable you know often I have you know what load up. I don't want to authenticate. Dude, you know how often I have to do with cable. You just go to the channel. Yeah, do you know how often I have to re-authenticate like Zelda's iPad? Oh my God, constantly.

If I want to watch anything on HBO, it's a series of like, I literally, it's like every four days. It's like, it's somewhere, it's someone doing it. Direct TV now account. It's like, just, someone should figure this out. And Apple tried with their little TV app where they were like, you just signed in the ones. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, but the TV app is a nightmare and also that doesn't work. Also, it does the thing

it's like that I'm saying is like, just okay, if I subscribe to Showtime and I want to watch billions, like just put billions up and show me the normal Apple interface. I don't need a special Showtime interface. I don't need a Showtime app. No, I need it to be a service. They're all coded by one garbage service. I hear what I want. I want an HBO service, a Showtime service, a fucking basic cable.

AT&T's coming in. Do you hear about this? Dude, I'll be honest with you. But they're not gonna do the thing. I'd say, Hulu, cool. What I want on Hulu is not Hulu's interface. Oh God. Every interface is, the Hulu interface is unusable.

What I want on Netflix is not Netflix's interface. No. Each piece is okay. But I want the content. So what all of these systems fail to do is connect all of that shit together. Like, you wanna, here's an innovation you can create. And even when they do, Hulu's like,

you have to log into your showtime here, and then you have a token, and that token is good for the DVDs. This is what I want. I want a secure area of an app. This is what I want, Apple TV, Google, whoever. There's a secure area you put in your credentials for each app that you subscribe to.

Like I serve to. I serve to Hulu, service, Netflix. You put in Apple TV. Apple iTunes, whatever, right? Okay, now I've got a pool of content it can pull from very different sources. It can give me options. It could say, oh, you want to watch lost boys, what's available on Netflix or, uh, and on iTunes. You could buy it on iTunes or you can watch on Netflix.

It's like cool, but I don't want to see those interfaces. I don't want to like encounter, I don't have to go dipping in app after app. It's such a I just have to do like a Google search and then like find a weird website that's compiling who's windowed what. Yeah, but it's like version of, it's like, it's like, it's like, Indiana Jones. It's like, yeah, it's like, the interest is in the content on the TV or whatever.

Yeah, no, I don't wanna hang out with Netflix the brand. It's not like, I mean, it's not like, it matters to me if it's in the Showtime app or in the Netflix app. All the matters that I can watch the fucking thing and nobody has figured this out. You think Apple would be able to figure it out. No one has figured this the fuck out and it's insane. Speaking of movies and TV shows, James Gunn has left Marvel obviously and he's been scooped

up by DC to direct suicide. I think this is great. I think this is first off I think. It's great. I think, listen, Margot Robbie's having a great week. I think, like, look, James Gunn made some really stupid jokes on Twitter. I think they were clearly jokes. They were bad jokes, and I don't mean bad, like, over-the-day.

Absolutely. They were just not funny. And they were also offensive. But like, I don't think he's a, I don't think that indicates that he's a bad person and he should like not work anymore. No. I think Marvel made a very hair trigger decision pushed by people like Mike Cernovich. Like let's put it this way.

You need to companies need to be smarter. I mean, Disney's wildly have a critical and it's just an insane thing to do. You need to be smarter now about where this shit's coming from. You need to really investigate. You can't just be like, oh wow, this looks bad. We're seeing some buzz on the tweets. Yeah, you know, I get it.

We're so beyond that. I get it. Who's working there? Yeah, I don't know. But like I like the idea that one, that James Gunn is now gonna do D.C. stuff. Guardians of the Galaxy is very good. I mean, I think this movie is very good. I think it's great.

I like, I think, Suicide Squad. I always thought Suicide Squad could be really good. I mean, I think this movie is very good. I think it's great. I like, I think, Suicide Squad. I always thought Suicide Squad could be really good. I know, I can't believe they fucked that up with every resource in the world. I mean, I remember watching the trailer, and I was like, I think this could be really good. It was a trailer is made by a different company than they circled back and had them re-edit the movie,

the people who edited the trailer. And trailer editors are not. We're not true. Movie editors, so yeah, oh my god, it was disaster. They had reshoots for those new trailer editors to re-edit in new, but it was a mess. Yeah, well, in my god, it was disaster. They had reshoots for those new trailer editors to re-edit in new but it was a mess. Yeah Well, it any rate. I was like, man, this could be good. This could be the first really good DC movie. And besides Wonder Woman. It's great. It's like serviceable. No, it's good.

Both Wonder Woman and and Joseph or just as we have the same villain. It's the best part. Speaking of so fucking contrived. They're so bad. Super heroes in big budget things. Gaga and the stars born. You haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. Here's the I know is that first of them apparently did very well. People like that. I'm like blasting through October. I was like, how is this possible? Believe it. Like I was like, what's going on?

And then yeah, I thought a star is world would be the number one movie in America, but boy was I wrong. It did very well. Yeah. Apparently Gaga fans were trying to like, should talk Venom online to get people to that go do it. Like, people do that every time. And it's like a light troll.

But I think someone took it more seriously than it was. I like the people who are like the people who want to see Venom definitely will divert their attention to a star is boring because that's the troll. They're like They could not be stylistically or thematically separate Like if Kenny Chesney comes out with an album the same day Gaga does Gaga fans will go on there And they'll be like I heard that Kenny Chesney one time punched a waitress in Tennessee and they'll come up with like a fake story. It's like nobody really really gonna kick me. That sounds believable.

But yeah, so I, you gotta see it, it was so good. It was really beautiful. I mean, I wanna see it, you know. I want it. I wanna see it. I got this good. You know, Tertrope is at it.

You know, we're out of the shallows. Yeah. We're out. Is it far from the're we're out of the shallows. We're we're we're out. Is it far from the shallows? Far from the shallows. I don't know. The lyrics that's on are pretty bad, I guess say, but it is a great song. It is. It's a hard being so hard core. So she's yeah. Is it hard being so hard core? People ask me that all the time. I'm like, it has its ups and downs. I just want to get a little look at you. I will say.

And his voice. I'm probably a little very distracted. Is it like that? Hold on. Hold on. He's doing like his, hey, Sam Elliott impression. He's like Batman. Yeah.

Where are they? Hey, Ali, I'm going to make you a star. It's like Buffalo. That's exactly what he's saying. But then when he sings, it's right back into Bradley Cooper's voice. And he's like, maybe it's time to let the O.A.s go. That's not going to be a song. Anyway, Al.

Sam Eagle. Time to let, you know, maybe sign to let the O.A.s die. Yeah. Maybe it is. Yeah. All right. Anyhow, what else? We've also got Microsoft, gave all its patents,

to Linux, open source and stuff. I don't, I wanted to ask you about this because I don't know what benefits them from doing that. Like I love to think they're just good people. Good will. Is that it? I don't know, maybe they're not using them. Really that much.

They don't need them that much. Maybe. I don't really know, but it's a cool move. Microsoft also released a bunch of new hardware. Apparently Bradley Cooper was at the, to talk about this last week. Surface, there was a new surface. I know we talked about, but I's a cool move. Microsoft also released a bunch of new hardware. Apparently Bradley Cooper was at the top of this last week. Surface. There was a new surface. I know we talked about, but I don't know if you talked about. There was new surface hardware. Which looks cool. There's a black surface pro, which I'm pretty into and I would definitely like to use Windows. By the way, when everybody uses Windows

PCs now, Windows are cool. Windows is cool. Windows computer. Microsoft is now a top five hardware maker. Microsoft makes cool hardware. I kind of wish they made a phone. I kind of wish they made an Android phone. I was gonna say. Remember when they did it? No, but like a cool phone. Yeah.

No, but everybody I know now uses like a video out of there's photo people, like creative people are using Windows computers. Yeah, I think nobody is noted that it's a big shift. It used to be like, if you were a creative person, you had a fucking Mac all the way. I honestly would never use my Mac, except for Keynote. If there was a Windows version of Keynote.

Oh, my shed is just tied into Mac at this point. I have no loyalty to it at this point in my life, but maybe it's time to let the old ways die. You know what you're thinking about that? I just shudder to think that Steve Jobs would have released the new MacBook and a new iPhone and you need a dongle to connect the lightning cable adapter to connect to your Mac. I don't know. He did Wax shit like that. But come on. That is like.

He did Wax shit. He released mobile me. That's true. Nobody said Steve Jobs understood the internet. It was a It's never been an argument for pro choice Mobile me know Sam. I remember watching that and being like this doesn't look good Even when you're like hyping it from the stage God, I'm so bored of all that shit. Nobody knows how Microsoft released some new services. Apparently, at the announcement, according to, I believe Mike Murphy at courts,

he was like Bradley Cooper's here with his daughter. She's a real surface head. His daughter's like young. By the way, I found out what Bradley Cooper's fans are officially called. He gets to me tweeted that. No, I found out that that was a good suggestion, but I found out what they called.

What do they call it? Many Cooper's. See, that doesn't work because that suggests you're trying to be like Bradley Cooper. That was a good suggestion, but I found it with the call what are they called mini Cooper's See that doesn't work because that suggests you're trying to be like Bradley Cooper Well, isn't that what stand-up is all about getting a little piece of that for yourself Do you watch the AMAs? No, I don't I'm done with the word show. It was so bad. I'm fucking done. It was so bad. The care is about fucking award She was three hours long on a Tuesday. What am I? 65. It was so bad. Am I a fucking old folks home? Ugh, some day tuned it. I saw someone took a picture of Taylor Swift accepting her award and replaced her face with just like like a

Microsoft paint face and it said hello. I am non-named celebrity who believes all the good things you believe Please do the things and buy my new my newly mine. What was it? My newly manufactured record out in stores. Did you see some hold on? This is really good. Okay. This sweet says,

Eve, wig, what the fuck this apple snapped? The flavor jumped out. Adam, one of my followers is literally eating from the for flop for a bit and trade a thread heart. Satan, Lausseus, why are you exposing her men are literally trash what the fuck? EFT oh my god sandless Adam sis you'd be nowhere without my rib but go off It's so good. It's so good. It's so I

I'm gonna retweet it right now. No, I'm not gonna retweet it. Too spicy for my, too spicy for me. People will be like, hey, don't come for Christians. As a white cis man, which I am. Crowley, white cis. It's your only flaw. I know. I mean, what is it like you're like just a tiny, tiny, little bit like you're not gay enough to like do anything

But you're just a little bit time like you but I guess pretty good looking. What's that? Am I still totally cis if you were that I feel like you're You're in a band right like wood fuck Jude Law That's like people who are in bands right now and don't want alienate gay music purchasers Why what does that mean like like every lead singer of a band right now and don't want to alienate gay music purchasers. Why, what does that mean? Like, like every lead singer of a band right now is like, I have had experiences. Oh, no, I have had experiences.

I'm just saying. But they all say that. I said, I can appreciate the beauty of a good-looking man, like, Jude Law. That's what we call a talented Mr. Ripley. Is that a fake? I don't know. I like the talented Mr. Ripley. That's very good? I don't know, I just don't know. I like this now. I'm counting Mr. Ripley.

That's very good. At any rate, I'm not. Okay, no. No, wait, what was I gonna say? Is a white siss. Oh, as a white siss man. That's a white sissy. Certain things you can't retweet.

Just a good look. Yeah. I actually don't know if I couldn't retweet that. I feel like you could. I feel like it's like, I feel like that. You couldn't tweet that. I don't know who tweeted it. I don't know who tweeted it. I don't know who tweeted it

and I don't know what they're appropriating. There is some appropriation in there, which is good, normal, meme-ish type of appropriation. Yeah. But you never know, man. I got a volatile set of followers. Keeping things mild. You know, listen, I'm just fucking Twitter is annoying

and I'm just trying to stay off of it as much as humanly possible. What? Go off. No, I will, sis. I will. All right, we should take a quick break and then get into our interview with the great Lea Finn again, who's joining us all the way

from the other side of the office, because it's exciting. So let's take a break. We'll be right back. My guest today is somebody you know and you love, a great editor, a great writer, and most importantly, the mother of baby, a small dog that lives in Brooklyn. I'm of course talking about Lea Finn again, the most one of the most feared writers and editors on the internet. Lea, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Which is an appropriate description of your existence. It's demeaning to be

identified as a mother of a dog, but I'll accept it. How about being the mother of fear? Yes. Does that feel powerful? I sure. Wait, how would you just, are you just an owner? Yeah, we have an owner object relation. You don't consider yourself like an owner possession relationship. You don't have a dog mom sort of relationship. No, I'm not trying to teach her anything. Just giving her the basics, making sure she's living a comfortable life. If can anybody follow baby Finnegan on Instagram or is it private? Yes, I recently ombed and up to the public because if anybody wants, if you don't know what I'm talking about, you want to see her dog, which is a pug, right Brussels Griffin. Whatever. It's pug like and it's very cute. It has a snaggle tooth.

And you can find it at Chi at Baby Fin again on Instagram. Yes. At Baby Fin again. It was that your account. Is it my account? No, no, no, no, I mean, like you had an account on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. Lea Finn again account. Yes. Did you convert that to her account? Yes. Okay. I decided. I was very confused. I decided the only way I could participate in Instagram is if I was doing it through an animal because then it made everything really funny because I was commenting on things as a dog and it's the little things in life. You're not going to do any Leah content. No, Leah is, Leah does not really have, she doesn't

have anything to say anymore. On Instagram or anywhere. Pretty much. I don't think that's true and we're going to get into that. So anyhow, but baby is now how old? She's a year and a half. And how do you find, I mean, living with a dog, have you ever had a dog, have you own a dog? I haven't, but I grew up with dogs. Right. And as a private citizen with a dog, how has the experience been?

It's been amazing. Really? I like it a lot. It's definitely life-changing. You can't go away for three days and leave the dog. That's right. The dog will be upset. But yeah, like I was looking at my step count, I was comparing this year to last year and last year my average step count per month was like 1,000 steps and a day and this year it's like 10,000. Wow. So I'm definitely healthier. I'm from walking the dog. Right. Because she has to go out. And also when we walk, you know, we like to have conversations about what's going on in the neighborhood and she pretty much just lets me talk. Is she a, she's a listener?

Yeah. Is she a popular dog in the neighborhood? Oh my god, it's like walking with Jennifer Lopez. Sometimes we get stopped so many times. I'm just trying to go get a bagel. Really? Yeah. Who would you say is the, who are the top stoppers?

Like what type of person is most likely to stop you? Uh, there's really no, there's no commonalities between them. It's, she has a diverse audience. Children. Yeah. They're closer to human babies. Closer, but farther away. Young men, young women.

What about older, what about the elderly? Yeah, the elderly, like her too. Yeah, and one time it was funny, I was walking her, and this other dog on the street started freaking out. And baby got excited as well. And the dog's owner presumably was like, oh, is that Baby? And I was like, yeah.

And she's like, oh, Baby and Bodie walk together with the dog walker. So it was like Baby has this life that I'm not, I'm not even a part of. And like she's like seeing her boy's on the street. Mm-hmm She's like so exciting. And there's a romantic element of the room. She had a boyfriend named Bruno But he moved to Chelsea. That's very sad. He's really cute. Really hot. What did you put up a dog with Bruno? A Mini Australian shepherd. So very, uh, Justin Bieber. Very sleek. Is a sleek dog? No, they're like a little they look like a

Justin Bieber. Very sleek. Was a sleek dog? No, they're like a little, they look like a collie, but like shrunk down. Oh, is there short legs? No, they're just like regular legs. Yeah. Um, you know, by the way, there's a movie called,

I think it's called The Super Life of Pats, if you're interested, it's all about what pets do when their owners leave. I set up a webcam to see like what my cat does, because like, she's a real, she throws fits, she's got like her routine. I was like, I got to know because whenever John leaves for a business trip There's like a whole production emotional display from her and so I was like what happens if I'm in the home And I miss a feeding or something and on the webcam. I looked I was like oh no

She's just like checking on the birth. It's going from window to window Yeah, a recent addition that that Leah on that note you have a recent addition with baby Which is you have a webcam now. Yeah, I got I just got a cam which is just live streaming her all the time. She's a cam girl. Yeah. But it's not. Your watch it has that little change sound. That little like video game.

She's got like a twitch thing. She is. She's worried that she wears a piece of any headset. She's talking to her twitch trans. But then you should do a twitch channel. Can you just put that on twitch?. And you should do a Twitch channel. Can you just put that on Twitch? Yeah, you should do a Twitch channel with baby.

All right. Yeah, sure. Okay. And yes, you got a webcam. And it's, yeah, it's not really that useful because when I leave, I put her in her cage. So I just watch her in her cage and like see what position she takes.

You put her in her cage? Yeah, she likes her cage. Really? It's her home. Like all day long. Hmm. That all day. I mean, she rips things up, right? She's like, really? I have a walker who comes and lets her out. Yeah, she rips things up. But she has broken? Yeah. Okay. She doesn't know. She just shits in the house. It's penny does. She has a pad, but she's like kind of house broken, like just you're adjacent to the pad. Well, you know, maybe when she turns 14, please don't.

Penny is very old and in great shape, we're told by the vet, which is like a double-edged sword. She's going to live forever. Penny is, yeah, and literally the vet the other day was like, she could live another 10 years and like, Penny is like a complete terror in our lives. How is Penny was Zelda? Horrible. Horrible. Snaps her, roused her.

Oh my God. You know, gets angry for no reason, tries to take her things, hides her socks. I mean, I think she loves, I think she loves Zelda. I think she really does have a faction for her. Yeah. But I think that she also is so.

The brain is too small. Yeah, that she just sees this little object, this little person moving towards her, and she just feels immediately, like, like, she gets mad at the vacuum, you know? Like, I don't think she actually hates the vacuum. My brother just had a baby, and he also has a French bulldog,

and the baby and the bulldog are best friends. When Zelda was a baby, Penny was extremely protective of her and would watch over her. Like we'd actually a little basket that Zelda slept in when she was a tiny baby. And like, you put it on the sofa and Penny would get on pillows above it and watch. I mean, she was just like, I'm gonna eat that thing.

So as they leave, I'm gonna eat it. But I think she was actually very protective of her when she was like, kind of this like immobile little, like you know, defenseless creature. And then as soon as Zelda started like me and on the move. Interesting. And he got like very nervous. She had threatened.

Yeah. All right, so I wanna talk about some of the, I did want to, oh, one thing about baby I wanna talk about. I was actually thinking about the end of this conversation. But you told me the day that you said, you thought she was depressed or she'd been diagnosed with a depression? Yeah, she's been kind of languid lately.

Why do you think that is? I'm not sure. I think it might be the weather. I think, I think it's for being in the cage, Alda. The start of fall, she's reflecting on death, change. She's getting older.

She's only a year old though. Year and a half. Year and a half, you know. How old are those dogs typically live to? Uh, like 12, 17, you know, kind of normal. Oh, that's 17 years old. Yeah, I mean, I made that up. Do you imagine being, when she's 17?

How old would you be? I mean, when she's 17, I'll be 32. So I think I'll be entering a great phase in my life. You're one of the youngest, most accomplished out of there's out there. Uh huh. A lot of people talk about that. Speaking of editing, great segue. When you put up a piece, was it last week or two weeks ago,

Rainbow Farm? The Rainbow Farm piece a piece, was it last week or two weeks ago, Rainbow Farm? The Rainbow Farm Pizz? I don't remember, last week. Leah, when we first started planning the outline, I think it may have been the first pitch that we actually talked about, the first feature pitch, but Leah was like, I want to do a thing about this siege that basically got like a race from the history books by 9-11, and we finally published it, and it's a really really good story and I recommend everybody read it. But can you talk a little bit about why

that story interested you like what it was about it that seemed appealing and why you spent two years trying to find a way to do it? I've always been really interested in like federal sieges and been really interested in like federal seages and... You're a big fan of federal seages. Yeah, like I think they're like... What's up with Wago? Exactly, it's like a really American tradition. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, and I think one night I was reading about them and I was like, well why did these pretty much stop happening after 9-11,

which is a rhetorical question? Well, we kind of had a reboot, right? Wasn't the Vundees, or wasn't that kind of a standoff? Yeah, but did the FBI kill anyone? Yeah, they killed one of the guys, I think. But they took over an FBI officer. it was like a really, but they took over like an FBI office or something. Uh-huh, uh-huh. It was like a really backwards one.

It was like instead of the siege, right at somebody's farm, it was like the people had a siege on the FBI and the FBI was like, we can't get in our office. It was like a, it was like a park's office. It was an FBI office. It's like, I mean,

what, what used to be federal seagirs are now like shootings, random shootings. Right. Like that's our culture now. We pivoted to mass shootings. Right. And we're also like way chiller about it. Like Rick, like, and much as I, the show is anathema to me at this point.

Like they did that South Park episode recently that was like, oh, another school shooting. So lunch is a two. Like we just at the point where like post 9-11 we're just like, yeah, yeah, tell them. One thing I thought was interesting in the story is that you talk about, well you don't talk about the writer talks about this the way there was a wave of the sentiment of like government overreach and particularly like the FBI and right, some of the FBI kind of being encroaching on rights. Right, and then the irony with 9-11 is that they didn't encroach enough.

Right, and also we kind of accepted like more of a police state mentality. With everything. The thing was that the enemy changed, and it's much easier to have an invisible enemy or an enemy who's not your religion or the face of the enemy change from being like a Christian white man to a Muslim man. Right. Which is a Christian white Christian man is a very challenged enemy for America as we've yeah, they don't like to hate him. It's like it's like you can really you could I don't like to hate him. It's like you could really,

you could, if you're white and adieued in Christian, you can kind of, I mean, you literally can get away with murder. It typically, it is, it was like, it was interesting to think about this, like, stressful time in America where like, you've got like David Kourash and then what is the, what was the other siege?

The Jim Jones, but that was in Gaia. No, no, no, the Ruby Ridge. Ruby Ridge. And Oklahoma City, which was. Right, Tim, then he vey. Same sentiment. Right, but I mean, it's like, and it is, there is a lineage, I mean, actually,

the, I don't know if you wanna call them the protagonist, because he's also kind of an antagonist in this story, but the main, the guy. We love an anti-hero. Well, the guy, I mean, the guy, what is his name? Why am I blind, can I write it? Tom Croslin. Yeah, Tom Croslin is, he seems like kind of like equal parts like a kind of cool guy

you want to hang with and like smoke a joint with and then also sort of like, yeah. A radicalized libertarian. He was a complete nut. Totally. I mean, I was, the thing that I was like, when I read the story, I was like, well, I'm going to be mad at the FBI. And like there are reasons to be mad at the government in the story was like, well, I'm gonna be mad at the FBI. And there are reasons we mad at the government in the story.

But it's kind of like, well, he was being pretty unreasonable, especially at the end, and they're like, they sent his parents in to have a beer with him. It's not like a lot of these seizures where it's like they go in guns blazing. It's like they spent a lot of time not trying to like.

Well, that's like, I mean, that's generally how these things go they don't want to get to violence they try to like deescalate through words or negotiation or whatever I kept thinking about what they could have done like obviously the letters that were sent to him about like them because like taking possession of his land were really triggering like he's right he had this strong reaction to hey you're gonna take this thing that is mine but like it did seem like there was not a lot of deescalation at the very beginning,

but then at the very end, there was some attempted deescalation, which was like, well, you've kind of crossed the threshold. Right. Well, eventually the Michigan State Police stood down and the FBI came to resolve the situation, and they FBI came to resolve the situation and they resolved it by killing the men. And it used to be the FBI local law enforcement that would like work on the situation. Now we have like Department of Homeland Security,

and you've got like DHS, you've got like all these agencies that it ends up being specific and also they're more like black boxes where they don't necessarily need to tell you, you know what I mean? Well, it's like ice. It's like what ice does is such a roaming, free range mission.

Now it's like it could be, you know, it's 10 different things. But the story was interesting is I felt like I was expecting to be more outrage and I was outraged with like the government But also it is like a definitely a type of weird American trope like to your point that there are people who are They have just decided like the only resolution in this situation is going to be like a some kind of violent

like Clash Yes, like he wanted it to be violent. I mean, I can't really speak to his motivations, but. But his letters were like, you know, pretty pointed. Sure. And they did start burning down houses on the property. Right.

Which is definitely a bold move. A form of self-violence. Yeah. But is it, in the story, there's a mention of a book, and that's being turned into a film. Is that happening? Like, is that actually happening? I think so. I don't, I don't really know, but-

That's the book written. I think it may be in 2007. Okay, but you didn't read the book. No, apparently it's not great. Is it pro FBI? I don't think so. But it's just... Well, it's a very dark story.

I have to say, I was kind of like at the end of it, I was kind of a little choked up. I mean, it seemed very sad. It seemed very pointless, like the whole thing seemed very pointless. Like, the debate was like roughly about like weed, right, which seems like such an innocuous thing now. And it seemed like such a dumb reason for anybody to actually get a gun out. Like, I just feel like through the lens of time, things that we used to take very seriously seem completely fucking stupid now. And this is a good example. But I mean, like you think about like,

wake-o and it's like, okay, there's stockpiling weapons and converting them into fully automatic weapons. And there's like a cult of people who can't even wanna leave in like, we're all so like a rape or a- Yeah, and there's tons of sexual assault among children. It's like, yeah, was it handled a little messily?

I guess, but like, what were we gonna do? Well, I mean, they did it in that party and everybody did it. do? Well, I mean, it's like oh, I'm running everybody. Sure sure I'm just saying like but I mean like the lead a little messy No, but I mean like the lead up to it the escalation Yeah, but the thing with this escalation is that like it is it a little messy? No, it's super messy to like be like okay There's a field of weed and like so we're gonna get out our fucking tanks and milling right? I feel it. It was like a basement of weed. It's ridiculous.

I mean, they weren't, yeah, it's very sad story, but then it kind of has a weirdly hopeful end, but like, because it's also sad because it's like weed is become legal. And it's like, this would have happened if it were 2018 or whatever. That probably would still would have happened. But the other thing that's interesting about the story is just how we shifted our attitudes about like law enforcement from being, like to your point about the enemy. In that situation, there was a growing feeling.

It's like the unibomber was kind of part of this as well, but maybe I'm, that's sort of more of an academic anger. But this sentiment that the government was kind of bad and encroaching and not really taking, you know, like American rights into Americans rights into into into consideration. And then after 9-11 it was like there's a scary invisible enemy that we have to fight no matter what it have to do it. And the government will just do whatever. It's like you can't wear shoes, you have to think of shoes off now and you cannot play. Because of one small thing. And we government will just do whatever. It's like, you can't wear shoes. You have to think of shoes off now and you cannot play.

Because of one small thing. And we're all just like, yeah, I guess so. We're just gonna do that. And, which is like the Homeland Security. The whole idea of Homeland Security is born out of 9-11. And it's like this totally new, completely vague and clearly fairly awful.

And the fucking Patriot Act was filled with shit that encroached further on people's rights. It was like the perfect thing and it erased all of that almost seemingly erased all that sentiment. Now what I wonder is, is that, like, is modern, are modern day like libertarians? Maybe you know the answer to this, maybe you don't. Or like, and I don't know how much this, like how much this cross over with like Trump people. But like, is there a sentiment in America now that is there a new a return to the sentiment in America?

Do you think? Yeah, I think it's just about money. Expand on that. Like a modern day libertarian would be against taxes and that would be their stance for also supporting social socially conservative measures. But like, okay, so you know how the White House recently was like we're not going to endorse breastfeeding around the world. Like, we don't think like mothers should be recommended to breastfeed. And it's like, well, that is crazy,

but they're not endorsing it because the formula lobby is so huge. Is that true? Is that the motivation? Yeah. It's not like personal freedom. No, no, it's never anything to do with personal freedom. I mean, I, I, I'm like, I have a, I mean, we gave Zelda formula. I mean, we did some breastfeeding, we also did formula. I have no, I think it's like if you can breastfeed and it's working for you awesome if not like formulas fine too like I think people Freeg out about it more than I mean it's every is different, but It's it's it's

I mean that makes sense Like that makes sense to me, but I never thought about it. I mean I never considered that that would be the reason but like Because but like yeah, I guess globally change is expensive and change comes at a great cost and For the republicans to stay in control. They need to They need for everything to say the same or revert I mean like we we ways in which they'll make more money like like the breastfeeding thing was that it has been somewhat of an initiative for a while. Like it didn't used to be that way. Formula was the thing, right?

I mean, there was a period where, I feel like 1950s, 1960s. Right, but now the science is like, honestly, I'll be, like breastfeeding is much better. Right, just like the climate change science. Right. Which also nobody cares about about because they're renewable energy is not As

Lugrative as oil maybe the formula industry could create some kind of new energy Maybe formula could be used to power or great idea. Yeah, just a thought. All right. Let me talk about one other thing Very hot very controversial subject you wrote a leo letter. Yes. You wrote all of them. You've written all the, no, that's not true. Oh, a leo letter. One was written, a leo letter.

You did write one, it was very good. It was an excellent leo letter. But you wrote one about the word, it's, I mean, it's is even a word, it's a, Yeah, no, it's a word. It is a word, right? is even a word. Yeah, no, it's a word. Well, it is a word. Right. It's is a contraction. Contraction, is that right?

Yeah. Tell it for the uninitiated, for the listener who does has not read the piece, could you explain your central argument about it? Sure. So this is like very insideery and mostly for people whose job it is to read a lot of the internet every day, which can become slightly crushing.

Slightly. Slightly. Slightly. And there are certain tropes that come up again and again, just like conventions and writing and one that is like very popular is starting an article with some order of words beginning it's like it's a gray day in May and Sammy Sosa is making oatmeal like. Is that a real article? What? That sounds pretty good. Oh no, I was just writing that in my head.

So it's like, you know, passively stating what the subject of the article is doing and trying to pass it off is interesting. It, it, it like exploits the tactic of like, start writing your story in the middle, start active, which is like, I could advice unless you're doing a shitty version of it in which you're like, it just makes reading not fun and In an industry in which it's crazy to get paid to be a writer and hardly any people get paid for it anymore It's like use some different words like just write your writer like be different At least only for me so I am not so angry when I read.

It's noon and Justin Bieber is eating tater tots. I guess the Wonder Ken hot tuna. Right. I feel like, I don't know. I mean, I hear your argument. I do. You know, and I typically agree with you. And this is not a new thing. Like this is like a trope that has always been a newspaper writing.

It's also like every celebrity profile. It seems like the 40s. Or it's like, you know, it's the Frank Sinatra has a cold syndrome where an article begins like, John Adams is cranky. You have a bunch of examples in the story of this, don't you? Yeah. Yeah, you've got like screen grabs of articles,

which is my favorite part of it actually. So I think that's the more, I think that's the more annoying trope, which is like, it's like, it's always like, when a paltrow shouldn't look this good. When if Paltrow is, it's like you could spin a wheel and like get a celebrity and get an adjective. It's tired. Right. Is upset.

Tyler, the creator is absorbent. I have ideas. When is Paltrow is dead? No. Please have ideas. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I have ideas. I don't like that. I don't like that.

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No, I think like, I think that, so like, but the bigger argument is really not about it yet. For you. Right. It's about. It's about. Originality, lack of originality. Yes, and like just laziness and

uh, lethargy that's plaguing modern journalism. You think do you think that You but you as you said at the beginning of this conversation you are it's inside Are you because you are you read a lot of things sure not everyone is reading Every article that comes out every day as I am you read every article that comes out every day. Yeah,. You read every article that comes out every day? Yeah, why not? Impressive. Also, it's like, you know, with reporting,

you don't really have to dress it up because if the reporting is good, it will be easy to write up and you don't need to, you know, add like some personal flourish by using like a weird style or a big word. Well, particularly in the case of celebrity profiles, they're always written for either it's a promotional moment

because somebody has a movie. Like the Bradley Cooper one. Do you read the Bradley Cooper one? Yes, I think the title of that one was Bradley Cooper is. Yeah, he hates this. I think it title of that one was like Bradley Cooper is yeah He hates this earth. I think it was like Bradley Cooper hates this Oh, yeah, yeah, and it is literally that it's like he's Doesn't want to do this

Right, but then he's like let's do this wacky thing where we go to like stories locations It's like seems like he does want to do it. Right. I mean of course he wants to do it He's Bradley Cooper. He's like I need people to see a star is bored all he wants is attention. No, it's incredible We did a quick thing yesterday Jeremy wrote about or two days ago about this lady Gaga Quote I know you're big. I know I know you're very nervous. I tell a lady No, she's like repeating this like thing Mm-hmm. Every you saw the yeah, yeah, she's like repeating this like thing, mean every you saw the sweet, right?

It's like she's like, you know, and you're in a room of 100 people and 99 of them. I don't even know the quote, it's like. It's like 99 people in the room don't believe in you, but if one person does, that's not neat. She literally said it like 20 times. But the group person doesn't say that. I will say the context for this, for her saying that,

and the way that she does this stuff, she said before that if you have something that you think is really true, you just say it over and over again and that's how you make it iconic. And like, in maybe in the age of social media, it's like more transparent, so it's not going to work. But when she was coming up, I do understand the logic of like, if you have one great interview answer to the same question you're going to ask a thousand times, might as well stick with one great answer instead of like flying by the seat of your pants every time. Yeah, I understand that, but like when you know you're being filmed and like there's the possibility,

like I get it. I say shit. I say like if I'm ever interviewed or whatever, I say the same shit, you know, and people are like, I even apologize. You probably have heard me say this before. But what's incredible about that is the boy Bradley Cooper is, and sort of what was written about, but like just the way Bradley Cooper looked.

He's such a good actor. Yeah. Because every time he seems like he's hearing it for the first time and he's really like, feels really like proud and humbled by the point. I don't know if Lady Gaga said that about me. I would be proud and humbled every time. Well yeah, I'm sure initially. But that's the thing. They're both great actors. I haven't seen the point. I don't know if Lady Gaga said that about me I would be proud and humbled every time. Well yeah I'm sure initially but that's the thing they're both great actors. I haven't seen the film.

I know that both of you have. Wait have you? You did. I have yes. And you've seen it more than one. No I have to see it the one. Did you like it? Yeah I really liked it. I heard that in the film that the that the Bradley Cooper character maybe doesn't things don't end up too good for him I will say that his face early on in the movie. There's a shot of his face against Billboard of nuisys. Yeah, that's like the first shot is like him next to pile of nuisys On a rainbow flag. I will I won't say if that's a technique from the first hour. Oh wow. Wow. Sorry. By the way, spoiler alert for anybody who is it did seem like Bradley Cooper's NYU senior thesis a lot of time. I've heard of the Oscars his to lose. That's what I'm hearing. Listen, I buzzes unbelievable.

Buzz is insane. Yeah. No, honestly, I every like I mean, Casey was, I- The buzz is unbelievable. The buzz is insane. Yeah. No, honestly, I, every, like, I mean, Casey was like, yeah, it's okay. I feel like- I was, I was ready to cry. Did you cry? No, not even close.

It was the last movie you cried during. Crazy Rich Asians. You cried during crazy Rich Asians? Oh, yeah, it's sobbing. Yeah. Is there like, I got well up to? Is it, is it emotional? It's the scene with the like, where they're playing go.

They're playing go? Isn't that or majong? Oh, that's what really like. After I cried after that, when the protagonist get back together, and then the Mandarin version of Coldplay's yellow and stuff. Oh yeah, that was.

Oh my god. Wow. I cried in the stars, and John cried, but we both have a lot of like Christmas. Martin singing. No, it's like a it's a young woman. Okay, pretty impressive. Chris Martin had like learned Mandarin. Yeah, what a man.

Yeah, profile opens. Chris man, Chris Martin has learned Mandarin. I mean, is that like a very meta joke? What? Yes, Josh, yes it is. It was like a huge story that the director of Crazy Rich Asians wrote to Chris Martin to beg to use yellow in the film

because of the significance of the word and how it has been reclaimed. That's wild. Yeah. The letter is crazy. The letter is crazy. It's available to rent yet. Probably.

Everything's like, you can watch it at Netflix. It's like a bit torn. What do you think about it? You think that it's actually really hard to watch things. Yeah, screeners will hit everybody in November and we'll all be fine. Okay. Well, that's what I need in my life. I just need the second season of law and order, law and order criminal intent. Wait a second. Is that a new law and order?

No, it's an old one. You just can't find it. There's only on it's only on iTunes UK. Can you kidding? Wait, who's the star of criminal intent? Is it? Vincent D'inopro. Oh, D'inopro. Yeah, yeah. He plays like a, he's got like, Asperger or something like that. Yeah, he's like a prodigal detective. He's sort of like a, he's sort of like a proto-benedict cumper batch in his early life. He's like, dark monk.

Yeah. Yeah. Does monk have like, is he like, he's like OCD, right? Mm-hmm. Months like he has to walk in and out of her room four times. Yeah. I mean, it was one of those like, vaguely described, this guy's a little love. He's good at his job. The good doctor coming to.

Right, right. That's a classic TV thing. Yeah, that's what people love that. Yeah. People love a person. Typically it's a man. Yeah, one of my favorite shows ever is Veronica Mars and her big impediment, the big thing that was like,

how could she do this job? It's like, she's 18 and hot as hell. That's great job. I only watch one episode of that, I think. It's good. The first season. You watch Veronica Mars? First season.

No, but not to jump back to law in order. Please do. They're filming SVU tomorrow right near my house. So I got to get baby on it. So I'm going to need the day off. I gotta get baby on it. So I'm gonna need the day off. I love you can have it. I'd love to see you being just one of those people that they talk to early on,

who's like the, you know, you're like the building super-sounding. I was just running in the park and like I heard, like she's like, she's to come here all the time. I don't know. We're the she got murdered. And then it turns out you're the murderer. I'm really, it's like the biggest day of my life.

Babies the murder. So they're finally like right where you live? Yeah. Well, yeah. Look at the plot. It must be pretty nasty stuff. It's like probably a body in the guana. Definitely.

Definitely. They used to shoot. I hope there's like a super fun tie in. There is a, or there's a murder at the Whole Foods. Like somebody died from inhaling the fumes from the super fun site. And if it was mold, go on as canal. Oh, murder at the Whole Foods is really good. Look on the roof where they grow the lettuce.

Oh, yeah. That would be really good. And some of the lettuce is red because it's covered in blood. Yeah. Or it's like cabbage and shades of blue. And what's the other one? And Sherlock outside of my apartment. So like Lucy Liu and Jennifer Lopez.

One of this side note. The first time I saw Jennifer Lopez I was walking out with a can of diet coat on the way to the gym and I like dropped it and she like looked at me like like like like a she and I coached those first. But no she just looked at me like I know you did that like hi and then I went to the end of the block and I yelled like you're Jenny from my block and I like I thought I'll never see her again and they shot for like two weeks and I she knew but who I left and then You didn't get an autograph. No, I felt weird about it But then they've shot Sherlock and they shot a couple other shows, but I love across all right Sherlock the Comber match one

No, it's the one with Lucio. What's that one called? Sherlock. Sherlock. I love elementary elementary elementary is one with with what's his name? Johnny Lee Miller. Yes. You still in it. Mm-hmm. Okay. And they they shoot always across. Cross Street for me is a park that's like on a big hill. So you've got a nice view of like Yankee Stadium and like the Bronx and like Harlem. And they're always shooting really hopeful scenes at sunrise. Sure. Sean will leave for work and he's like it was really inspiring. All right.

Lila listen, you've got to get back here. I'm sure you're in the midst of that today in a very important piece. This could be rainbow farm too. For all of you know, rainbow to farm could be it's too. Yeah. Rainbow farm to over the rainbow rainbow farm where Alpharex the internet. All right. All right, everybody.

Leonie parting thoughts for the listener or anything that they should know about or that you want to tell them. No. Okay, great. Well, send my love to baby. Wait, before we go for the listener, or anything that they should know about or that you wanna tell them? No. Okay, great. Well, send my love to baby. Wait, before we go, we have to say something nice. Oh, right, sorry, we're doing this thing. I totally forgot.

We've been doing this thing, because everything is so depressing and horrible that we tried to talk about things that we're into either on the internet or off the internet at the end of every show. And I'm rarely prepared for this, and you probably aren't, because you know, you didn't know it was gonna happen. Ryan almost always is. And then we I'm rarely prepared for this. And you probably aren't because, you know,

you didn't know it was going to happen. But Ryan almost always is. So you're starting to rumble. And then you just, they said to think if there's a thing that you've been doing or are seeing or whatever that you really like and you want to tell people about, go ahead. Right. You'll see a demonstration of the right. It's very impressive. Every night for the past week and a half, maybe two weeks, I've been taking an edible and watching CNN's The Decade series, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s. And it's not great.

I'm gonna be honest with you, the series itself is like a Vox explainer for a decade and they always get like a balance to do so. No, it's CNN and maybe they did something. I know Vox was doing something. I feel like they were, I can be wrong. They were doing that explained series, which is also like, okay, go ahead.

But it's funny, because like in every episode, it's like, was Vietnam terrible? Of course it was. And then they cut to someone else who's like, we needed to be in Vietnam as long as we were. Like they're trying to be on balance. It's like a girl code. Yeah, yeah, it's like best week ever, but for a decade.

Like, but it's like people sitting, yeah, like's like best week ever before a decade. Like it, but it's like people sitting. Yeah, like that, they got like downtown Julie Brown and she's like MTV was a big deal. Right. Anyway, I love it because if you're like pleasantly high in doing something else, it's like everyone's smiling you tune in and you're like, oh yeah, Leonah Hemzley. And then you like go back to whatever you're doing and it is, I gotta say like top 10 white noise machine shows ever and put, please And it is, I gotta say, top 10 white noise machine shows ever. And please put it on, I love it.

I love the sounds of that. Now I'll guess I'll do my thing. Yeah. I got three technically two or TV shows that wanted something else. One involves online shopping, go figure. Oh, you love. I love to compare this at shop,

as Ryan has pointed out many times. The first two things are I have, like I've run out of like stuff to, like I like sometimes like to watch stuff that's in the background. Like there are shows you can watch, you don't need to give out your full attention to you and kind of get to.

That's why how's life is so popular? Yeah. It's a theater of the mind. So two things, one is I want to watch an episode of Bojack Horseman, half an episode of Bojack Horseman, the first one and I turned it off. But then I Horseman, half an episode of Bojack Horseman, the first one. And I turned it off. But then I was like, I'm gonna give this another try.

You do this with every shot. I recommend it. I'm gonna try and then I start, I've watched like seven episodes of Bojack Horseman. And it's like, welcome to the jungle. It's got pretty funny, it's got a few funny moments. It's a little bit, it's okay. It's, it's, it's, how could you look away though?

Half the jokes are a little things that's good. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no half the jokes are little things. No, no, no That's not the one that one is not that one you kind of have to pay attention to but I then I also Partially because of our conversations. I decided I'll partially because I saw trailer for season five Which apparently the last trailer for this show Gotham. Oh, yeah, and I was like, okay. I'm gonna give this show I want to take a look at this show. That's a real one 80. Okay What So I'm like barely paying attention to it. Mm-hmm. It is extremely violent. Yeah, it's really fucked up Like they show people like getting shot a lot and they like show like the bullet holes on a regular basis Mm-hmm. I have a lot of problems with what they're doing in terms of like the canon like the comic stories

Yeah, they're really messing up a lot of things. Mm-hmm. Like like the comic stories. Yeah, they're really messing up a lot of things. Mm-hmm. Like Gordon and Bruce Wayne know each other since Bruce Wayne is like a little kid. Yeah, and also Gordon is what's his name from the OC. Mm-hmm. Right, Ben McKenzie.

Guess he won't be on the house. He's got a job. He doesn't need to be on the house. He's working. He's a working actor. So like I've been watching that the background, I don't know what's going on. It's like very loud and very violent.

And I mildly entertained. It's funny because like everyone on the show's doing like camp over the top masterpiece and then Robbins giving like a really great performance as the penguin. Oh, that's the guy that you know this guy. He's the penguin. He is, um, yeah. Like the penguins kind of the main character of the show. Yeah. The story is really about the penguin. Yeah. Anyhow, how would a Selena

Kyle supposed to be in that show? Oh, don't worry. They magically age her up. She's like, it's how it would happen. How is Bruce supposed to be? I don't know, like, 13 years. I've trouble believing the count one was older than that. Oh, she gets like her, no, Selena Kyle doesn't. The poison ivy at one point, like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not older than that. So then they make her a lot older. All right, so here's the other thing. Those are TV shows.

The other thing is that I saw a microscope. I'm, you know, this site, Mass Drop. Leigh, I doubt you know Mass Drop, but it's definitely not the kind of thing you'd be a two. Mass Drop was like, oh, they have this DIY tech where they were selling a microscope. But then I started looking into microscope, so I remembered that when I was a kid, I had a microscope. Like my parents bought one of those like science kits, and I'm like, we've had these like

vivid flashbacks to just being like, in so enamored with them. And I had the slides and I would like collect things and I put them between glass, you know, and put them out of the microscope. So I got really excited about getting Zelda a microscope, and I now have slides and I would like collect things and I put them between glass, you know, and put them under the microscope. So I got really excited by getting Zelda a microscope. And I now have in my cart at Amazon like a whole microscope set up with like the microscope and some sample slides and like a set of the glass and the petri dishes and little drops and stuff.

I haven't pulled the trigger yet because I think she may be too young for a microscope, but I'm very getting very excited about sharing my love of a microscope with Zelda. That's the other thing. That sounds really fun. Yes, I think it would be a lot of fun. I realize now that I can get her into all the things that I was into when I was a kid. Right, that's the point of having a child.

Yeah, no, it's amazing because I can be like, oh, I'm into microscopes again now, or like, I'm going to show her how electronics work and like we're going to build stuff. Well, until you're my dad and you try every single sport I cry at all of them. Luckily I don't like sport at all. Then I take the ultimate, you know what's gonna happen she's gonna be like I'm really into like baseball or whatever and I'm like I'm like could not be less

into baseball. All right, Leah, it's your turn. Something positive. Let's see. Okay, so I recently for the first time made rice. Oh, yeah. And I was like, this is great. I love rice.

What do you mean you for the first time? I'm not, I'm a bad cook. Like I'm not good. I don't like doing it. I don't like the smells of food lingering in my apartment. Like it's just like, I don't want to do it You don't want to talk. I don't want to do it, but I Want to eat so this presents a paradox a quandary

Yeah And I was like I need to eat more vegetables because like my bones are just like you know Really brittle at this point from like, refined sugar. So I was like, I'm going to try like making rice and like vegetables and I'm going to eat that for dinner. And I made this rice and I like stirred it in the pot and I know it was so good. Did you, what kind of rice, like a wild rice? I got, I chose the weirdest sounding one at Whole Foods Calrose. It's a medium grain rice. It almost has like a porgy quality.

Okay, so you overcooked it? No. This is supposed to be por today? Yeah. Really? Yeah. OK, so why don't you get a rice cooker? But that would take out the fun. With it? Yeah, because the fun is like putting it

in the boiling water and then watching it become rice. Yeah. Well, it's so important. Every day. It's so inspiring every day. Wow. How many times have you made rice so far? So many times. Like you're making rice on a regular basis?

Yeah. Like every day? No,'re making rice on a regular basis? Yeah. Like every day. No, but like three times a week. What about the vegetables? What are you doing there? Broccoli, broccoli, leany. Okay.

Together. No, no, that would be too much. That would be too much. Maybe some carrots. I love carrots. So does Zelda and Penny. Wow. It's a carrot household. We're a big carrot family. I call it the carrot tops. Don't cut that joke out.

I think like in two years I'll be ready to move into proteins. You know it's great. We get this uh we get these fake chicken breasts made by company called corn, q, u, r, o, n. They are fucking amazing. They're made of like, I don't know what kind of space age polymer they're created, but they're like so good. They taste a lot like chicken. You can cook them in one minute in a microwave. You can season them with anything

and they take on the flavor of that thing. You can also not season them in their taste. They perfect for a rice. What's the consistency? It's like chickeny. Uh-huh. Chicken consistency. Like a tempe consistency? It's like chickeny. Uh-huh. Chicken consistency? It's like a tempeh.

It's less stringy. It's less like, it's very much like chicken. It's less stringy than tempeh or like satan, but it's more solid and meaty than tofu. I believe it's made out of like a mushroom pea, like something. So it's like very, it's like, it's a space it's a space-aged type of corn stuff. It's good. Vegetable-based meat. And it's perfect for things like wheat all the time. We'll eat like, like, laurel make like rice

with vegetables and then she'll throw some of that in like for a protein. It's pretty high in protein. And it's very good. I mean, I know you're not a vegetarian, but it's the kind of thing that is not, you don't need to like handle an animal, you don't need to season it very much. Right. You don't need to, you can put it in the microwave or you can put it like in a skillet or whatever. See John doesn't cook, so anything I make, I'm not, I'm rarely explain how easy it is to make like French toast and he's like, oh my god, wow, oh, it's a cinnamon-y, I'm like,

yeah, it's, I mean it was a morning, but thanks. Are you a cooker? Yeah, I cook the French toast. French toast is like, you make, you scramble an egg, you put it in. You throw in like sugar cinnamon vanilla. You wrap, you? Yeah, I could. But the French toast is like you make you scramble an egg you put some like sugar cinnamon vanilla You wrap you wipe the thing in it and you just throw it on a pan. Yeah, five minutes later I can make French toast. I made French toast. It's simple. Don't tell John. He doesn't listen to this podcast Yeah, he doesn't wow He's missing your best of your best work in any podcast. All right. Well, I think that's great

I'm very happy you're eating rice. Thank you. I think that's a big move for you. Thank you. It's exciting to hear about your culinary adventures. Keep us updated, reprotein. I will. Yeah, I want to hear, maybe you should try this corn to let you hear a report back. Can you get me a sample?

We actually do buy a ton of it because we eat it for all sorts of different things. And Zelda loves it. And it's very hard to get. You only get it in certain stores. So we buy it in large quantities. I see. So yes, oh, you know, there may be some,

I don't know if you're, I've heard you're coming to our thanks, you have been, I don't know if that's true or not. There have been, it sounds like it's, it's good, you know, touch and go. You know, but. I'm very busy around the time. There may be, there may be something there

that has that in it. Okay, not it. Because we need something for the vegetarians. I see I see currently by the way I don't mind it to a current count for did you know this is Laura told you? Uh-uh. I don't know if you're included in this list or not the current count for thanksgiving Party is 31 people. Wow. Yeah, it's gonna be a fucking ranger. Wow, so I hope you come because it's gonna be one of the best Okay, if you don't, I can do it. We'll send you a turkey. Thank you.

Thank you. Toe for turkey. Toe for turkey. Alright, well Leo, that was great. Thank you. Please come back. Goodbye. Goodbye.

We'll let us our show for this week, we'll be back next week with more. Tomorrow, and as always I wish you and your family the very best, though I've just been informed that your family is one of the American music award and literally nobody gives a shit. you