Tomorrow - 137: A Third Way

Episode Date: October 27, 2018

Episode 137 features Josh and Ryan attempting to diagnose the rise of domestic terrorism, the correct usage of our collective data, and why Ryan spent three days vomiting. They also manage to curse Megyn Kelly, cackle with glee over The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, and plead for the life of virtual reality. All in all, not a bad prelude to a horrifying Halloween. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, tomorrow listeners, this is Ryan. I'm just dropping in here to let you know that this episode features a discussion about the rise of domestic terrorism, but that it was recorded before the recent violence in Pittsburgh. We still really feel that our discussion of the topic is relevant to the current climate, and we hope that these recent events drive us all to further action, preventing tragedies like this. Thanks, and enjoy the show. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Hey, welcome to Tomorrow.

I'm your host, Joshua Topolski. Today on the podcast, we discuss face suckers, $69 million and composting. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. All right, Ryan, we did it. We barely made it through. I mean, you're, you know, we don't, the week's not out and you might not make it. But so far, I'm really, I'm really struggling this week.

We've had a really, it's been a crazy week in news, a crazy week in America. And it's dark. It's dark and hell is hot things are pretty bad. So you can hear some beeping here. I'm just turning down my HVAC system, split system. So it doesn't get you knowing. Yeah, a little revealing, we're again doing a remote episode because it's been from being sick to me being very sick.

I mean, I think you would make an argument that I caused you to be ill, but I don't know, we don't have evidence. Should we talk about, should we talk about the big news this week? I mean, we gotta talk about the biggest story at the top. And in St. Florida, man was mailing everybody balls. So I think let's get a little more detail on that.

A guy named Caesar, Altiieri, Seyek, Jr. I'm sure I got some of that wrong. Set bombs, allegedly, sent bombs to George Soros, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Robert De Niro, Cory Booker, I think was one today, CNN, handful. Basically all the people that Trump talks about being part of a global conspiracy. This guy's a full on Maga, hardcore, right wing, intense Trump stand slash fan boy. And they've now shown on the news, his van, he's a van that he's been driving around

that has literally like bull's eyes on people's heads, like people like Hillary Clinton and Michael Moore and all, you know, usual suspects. I mean, he was like, fully, I mean, his guys obviously out of his fucking mind, but he's completely, has completely, I mean, I would say this is a great example of a person who is, has most likely been radicalized

by Donald Trump's violent rhetoric. I mean, this is the ultimate part of what we've been talking about, which was that this was going to happen. Yeah, it's hard not to see a clear line between Donald Trump saying the press is the enemy of the people and George Soros is behind all this stuff and his sons tweeting fucking conspiracy theory shit and his all the people around him being conspiracy theorists and And this which is like people lose their shit people who are already

Disturbed lose their fucking minds and send mail bombs to people. Like, this is not happening. There are no, there are no, there is no demo, there are no, I mean, I'm not gonna say there are none, but what we see is like the Dylan roofs of the world, radicalized, right wing, you know, person. Now, what's interesting about this guy, is he's Native American.

I understand it was my understanding. So like you expect this to be like some kind of like just straight up white dude from Florida. I don't know about his background at all. I don't know about his heritage. I'm not. But I saw a report or read something that he is Native American. He has like a Native Americans for Trump sticker or poster that he was holding up. And so anyhow, it's interesting. You would think that that would not be a group. There would not be a lot of people in that group

who are like pro Trump. So I would say this dude's an anomaly, but the long and short of it is he's a full on Maga, dude. And all the Republicans all week have been I mean literally the Republicans have been like this is a false flag. This is oh The whole like the I mean someone today was tweeting like that car is so like it's too perfect It looks a little Hollywood to me like can you yeah, yeah off like like Candice Candice Owens tweeted and then deleted a full on conspiracy tweet.

You know, again, these people are fucking dangerous. Like they're dangerous. When ideology comes from hate and fear and a disregard for like facts or human rights, when all of that is like the baseline of what you're working towards, like of course the result is like terrorists. Of course, the result is mailing bombs to people. Like, what did you think was going to happen? You're declaring journalism, the enemy of humanity.

Like, what did you think the ultimate effect of that was going to be when you've collected together the most terrified, hateful people with like a disregard for basic facts? Of course, you're going to get mentally a violent people. Yeah, I think what you said. I think it's, I think it's, I just want to see what the stories are saying right now. I think it's, you know, I think it's clear that this is,

this is a trend that has been growing in this country since Obama became president where there's this radical right. And now the radical right wing has been more is increasingly adopted by what was previously, there was kind of a wall, right? There was like, no pun intended. But there was like kind of a firewall, like there were these kind of centrist, classic conservative right wing people who fought off things like the tea party or at least fought like McCain might be one of these people, but he sucks too, but like he's less sucky.

Well, they had dog whistles in their hands and when Trump dropped his dog whistle and gave everybody else permission to try to do that. And by doing that, he got the support of the worst among them. And there's no going back from that. He made a deal with the devil. And like that's, you know, yeah, I mean, he made a deal with the devil because he's like in league with the devil. I mean, he's, you know, I mean, devil doesn't exist, but he's a bad person. He's a bad guy. Any of the point is, yeah, this has just been an growing trend. You know, this is like the people with guns at the Sarah Palin rallies and the fucking monkey, the monkey fucking stuffed animals, the people were carrying around leading to the birtherism stuff, which is all Trump was supporting and backing and talking about

forever. This whole thing is like, these are not normal things. Like, in no sense of the word normal, do any of these things, no definition of it, do any of these thoughts or activities fall. Like, what Trump talks about most of the time is fucking abnormal. Like what his supporters champion is abnormal. Like the way Trump talks about the caravan or anything, is like, it's not, there's no appreciation

for humanity in that conversation. And so these people are obviously becoming increasingly radical and radicalized. And I would say that, you know, we have a actual like problem in this country now. Like we have a proper, we've had it for a while, you know, we have proper proper, we've had it for a while, you know, we have a bit proper American terrorists.

And they are mostly the vast majority, 99 fucking percent are coming from a right wing worldview, which is anti-immigrant, anti-brown people, anti-LGBT, you know, Q and beyond. Like, the, they're just anti-progressiveness in any form. And they're, so their retrograde thinkers, they want a world that looks like some fucking world from the 1950s. And at this point, it's clear that they'll kill or maybe die to get it. And that's fucking scary. It just seems that it's not, it comes from a place of other people aren't human at a certain point. Like if they're brown or if they have a different identity than you or make different choices

or do different things with their lives, like that is a point at which you're no longer, like a human being, like worthy of, um, basically not even just rights, but like consideration or understanding. Like when you, when you've decided that groups of people aren't human beings and that they're ruining your life by existing, like what did you think was gonna happen? And it's really bizarre to see like the Candace Owens and whoever of the world like try to circle their wagons in a way because isn't this what you're like

shooting for? I don't understand what you're shooting for if it's not this. Like you hate journalists. You've got why isn't this what you wanted? This is exactly what you want. I mean, what you're shooting for if it's not this. Like you hate journalists. You've got to apologize. Why isn't this what you want it? This is exactly what you want. I mean, you've been calling for.

It's the, well, of course, now they don't want to be responsible because this clearly looks bad. You know, this looks, this is not random. This looks very bad. And I think that of course, canis Owens wants this to happen to some degree and Trump wants it to happen. What does Trump think is going down? I mean, I don't know that he thinks that much to be honest with you. I don't know that he contemplates his words that much. I think he has sort of a diarrhea

of the mouth that he has no control over. But it's not that, I mean, do I think Candace Owens or Donald Trump wants journalists to be killed? I mean, I think that if you ask them a point blank, they, even in private, I think they would say no of course not, but I do think they have no appreciation for how damaging their words are to people who aren't playing a media game. Because that's what they're doing.

But I'm also just like sick of the like KG, like I don't want trans people to die. I just want to take away their ability to not be in situations where they could get murdered. And then, you know, they're the number one most murdered group in the country. And if that doesn't help them, oh well, like you're saying you want trans people to die. This is, of course, I'm talking about that they want to take away the title nine. Well, that's different. That's a little different. That's real. That's right. No, I think we're in part of our role. It's not rhetoric. It's not rhetoric, it's that's law.

I mean, the different, that is, oh, I believe for sure that people like Trump and the Republicans want to erase the concept of people and trans identity because it is a threat to their, they're like, you know, it's a threat to their like very linear and binary idea of what life is supposed to be like. And they're fucking, you know, brains can't really can't imagine a world that doesn't fit into their, like I said this, like 1950s model of like the the woman's at home cooking food and doing the dishes and the man's out, you know, it's like Trump's background is like Melania is a great example of the kind of relationship he wants, you know. It's like, I'm true.

But how your brain just be like, something gives me the oaky bookies and I don't understand it. So, you know, I hope they all die. Like, can you fuck off? I can't. I don't think it's like, please, it's like, it's not like, die, it's like, disappear.

I think I'm not saying, I'm not trying to say these people are good. I'm not saying they're like, I want all trans people to die. They just have no idea what the ramifications of their actions are and they don't care. But that, you know, to me, it's like half a dozen and, you know, six, six, one, half dozen of the other. I, at this point, like, I just, I feel under threat and I constantly feel like I, I feel

like I'm being gaslit because you see these quote unquote conservative voices like Tucker Carlson being like, how did our country get so divided? Like, have you seen your fucking television show? I don't understand. Oh yeah, no, that shit's the craziest. The victimized Republicans, like the people who are like, I know Tucker Carlson was saying

about how like he's never seen people so abused as the white Midwesterners. It's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like literally what you're saying is could only exist in a fantasy world where you have no awareness of what has happened to minorities in this country since the dawn of the, since the inception of this country, you know, and it's like it's, it like, it's truly, I mean, it is impressive. Like, I'll say this, the bill, I mean, the fact that they're trying to, for no, for apropos of nothing,

define gender in this very strict binary legal sense, is, you know, it's either. It's either to me like, oh, like much of what they do, there's some kind of weird attempt to change a conversation that they don't like. Like, they don't really want to do it or care about it that much, but they know it'll get people upset

and they want that conversation instead of the one about how the Republicans are doing really poorly and a lot of these polls and how Trump is doing really poorly and how, you know, he's a fucking criminal. Or it's like they really have malice that I don't, and I don't understand the root of the malice. Like I can't even get in touch with it. Like I don't know what it feels like to feel threatened by somebody else's gender identity.

It's like that is a feeling and an idea that is alien to me in every way. So like, you know, but then again, Jeff Sessions thinks that like weed is evil. You know, that's the kind of, that's the level of brain we're dealing with here. I just, I feel like I'm at a point where like, I just don't understand. I don't even think I understand like what their goals or what they want is. Like, it just seems to, they want to be what they were five or 10 years ago, which is a minority voice of a minority opinion who feels oppressed because they can't oppress other people. They're no longer a boogie man to defeat.

They are in a full control of everything in this exact moment, maybe not after the midterms we don't know, but they are in the full height of everything in this exact moment, maybe not after the midterms we don't know, but like they are in the full height of their powers and they don't seem to really know what they want or what to do with it because they're not used to actually getting what they want, which is you wanna violent overthrow of journalists establishments

and you wanna define people out of existence and like throw them to the winds and roll back every basic human rights protection and like thing we've got. Okay, and when it starts happening, I don't think I don't, I'm not sure what they want at this point because then when they start happening, they're like, oh well, you know, these attacks are, we truly, violence is not a means through which and our thoughts and our prayers, it's like, what do you want? Do you want this or do you not want this? Cause I'm just at a point frustrated-wise of being like,

am I gonna be thrown into a concentration camp or are you just gonna shut the fuck up? Because I feel like they're just so used to being in this position where they were sidelined and told that they were hateful and then they could turn around and say that we were ideological bigots cause we didn't support white nationalism or whatever.

They're like not used to getting what they want. So I just don't, I really don't know where we're going, where they want. Well, we're just, which is, right now, I mean, right now where we're going is we're in a place with no, where there's no checks. Like that's the problem here.

It's okay to have crazies in the government as long as there are people there to check them and keep them under control. Like the crazies can be like, we wanna introduce this legislation but there should be normal people there to check them and keep them under control. Like the crazies can be like, we wanna introduce this legislation, but there should be normal people there who are like, actually, we're not gonna do that and we're gonna vote that down

because that's a stupid idea. Like, I don't know what part of the, I don't know where in the constituency where the support is, frankly, for this gender defining movement. Like, I don't believe that a typical American, I would venture to guess that the vast majority, whether they're right wing or left wing,

are not sitting around thinking about, we've got to define gender as a binary right now. Like, I just don't think that's an issue. So it's like, you've got some crazy fucking people who are not now not checked. It's like the thing with getting Calvin on the fucking Supreme Court. It's like the thing about the Supreme Court is it's okay

that they're gonna be varying viewpoints. They're gonna be more conservative. They're gonna be more liberal. Okay, sure I get it. Cause that's the reality of the way brains work, I suppose. Or the way that humanity tends to arrange itself, more conservative, more liberal, more open, more close, whatever.

So they check each other and they balance each other. I don't think that there's, the conservative balance to me doesn't seem like it really offers much. It's like, in my lifetime, conservatives have never, and have never, I've never seen them offer anything that seems to be geared towards or positive for humanity.

Because I think we have point where things are so, have been so shaped by conservatism, like our economy are basically every part of our political system, everything has been shaped towards this idea that greed is good, free markets are amazing, we don't want to help anybody, everybody should be out for themselves, this idea has fully permeated every part of our culture thanks to capitalism.

But that counterbalance would work in a world where the government was too overreaching and there was a state run right in other countries like like Soviet Union. Yeah, but there are many other countries where there is much more of a socialist sort of government makeup and there's capitalism and it is not a complete disaster. Unchecked capital. I mean, I don't... I'm not saying that capitalism is good because there is much of it that is bad. I think there are versions of it that can function, but not unchecked capitalism, not cap... It has to be... There has to be a mixture of socialism and capitalism. They have to live in some concert together because I think otherwise if you can't check Capitalism with it's kind of socialist distribution of wealth and regulation

You get into a place where it becomes so that the the ruling class becomes it becomes so lopsided and so much about who can create Capital that you cannot have any sense of balance or any sense of fairness. And that's what America is right now. I mean, we have allowed, even our Democrats are really not aligned with sort of the best parts of socialism. And I don't mean like, I don't mean, I'm not talking about like a sweeping change of every aspect of our government or our way of life here. But there needs to be fucking regulation. It's like the internet thing. You know, it's like the shit with Facebook. It's like better regulation by smarter regulators,

by people who understood how technology worked and in more thinking about the people and how things affect large groups of people. They could have fixed a lot of these problems before they happen. But we don't have a system that believes in that. We have a system that believes in like but we don't have a system that believes in that. We have a system that believes in like, free market, the free market will determine the value or success of something. And it's like, well, free markets alone can't do that. I think that's, I mean, look at the climate.

I mean, it didn't happen. Like, because the value of success of the entire earth is more important than anything. And we haven't really rose to that occasion. So I guess it doesn't work. That's right, but the thing is, the thing that it's really a mother fucker is that you can't, because there are many answers

to solving that problem, it's easy for someone to go, well, there's no answers. Or like, well, we don't really know what's going to, like you can even go, I agree, climate change is real. But then you can go, well, we don't really know how to fix it, or well, it doesn't matter if we fix it. There's so many ways to wiggle out of that shit. It's not just, I'm just saying, it's not just capitalism is also the fact that we have pretty unintelligent people governing and pretty uninformed people governing for the most part. I mean, you watched the Kavanaugh hearing, right? I mean, like, you heard the questions

that were asking this guy, you know? They weren't intelligent questions. No. They weren't smart. They weren't like smart people talking to the Democrat. I'm probably intentionally so. Even the Democrats didn't sound like really insightful.

Some of them did, a few. Because we have a system that set up to give people power who are really good at getting power. We don't have a system that's set up to give like the most useful person or the most intelligent person power. And I think that's because we have, we don't educate the public, we don't have, people don't have the time to take in all the information about every election. There's an enormous voter suppression and we're at a point now where Basically the people who want power the most have gotten all of it and their goals They're their methods for getting there don't lend themselves to actually Accomplishing goals now. So now that they have everything they could ever want they don't actually know what to do with any of it and

It's I mean you just have a population at this point that is so uneducated and probably deeply mentally ill and frustrated and confused. And so you have fucking domestic terrorists. And you have people calling to define whole groups of people out of existence just as a side show. Like, I don't, I know that this show and us talking every week seems to get darker and darker, but like we have to vote at the midterms.

Like we have to turn this around. I mean, that's it. And that's what we're doing. That's it. I mean, to my greatest fear is like, I mean, I was talking to somebody the other day and they were like, we got this. It's, you know, they're saying 85% of the house.

We can't talk like this. And yes, and this is exactly what I said. I was like, that is some, that's some Hillary Clinton shit. Like that's the, you know, she's gonna win. What does it matter? Like the most important thing that can happen here, the most important thing is that literally young voters, democratic voters come out in fucking droves.

It needs to be overwhelming. And I'm hoping in praying. I'm really hoping in praying that like, how could the last couple of years not have had an impact on you? Watching what has happened here, how could you not be scared to death about the future where your voice and your life is not included

in that future? Like, I can't imagine that we are not going to see a turn out, but you have to not think for a second that like we've gotten something in the bag, you know? But you know what's scary? You have to vote. What scares me though is I mean, I was just looking at this on Twitter right before we started talking, which is the voter suppression and the flat out like open, bald faced cheating. That seems to be happening in Texas and Georgia. Like that kind of stuff,

I don't know what to do to counter that. Like I'm not prepared for a situation in which like even voting will no longer matter less or even less than it does now for the most part. Like I don't even know how to like broach a story that's like voting machines have been hacked and the government doesn't want to fix them. You're like what?

Right. Like oh. Like. like, what? Right. Like, oh. Like, no, it's scary. I mean, the only thing, I think the only thing it can matter is where it's like so overwhelming, you know? Like, I mean, it needs to be. Where it's so overwhelming that it doesn't matter if like there's tampering because it's like,

you know, it needs to be like 60% of the people voted for this candidate. He won by 60% of the vote or something. He can't be the kind of thing where it's like every race is 50-50 and we have to decide by 100 votes. I don't believe that this country is, there's no indication. I mean, remember, 3 million more people voted for Hillary Clinton than Trump, who voted, right? I mean, I do believe that the vast majority of people

fucking hate Trump and do not support his ideas. I'm just worried that it doesn't matter. Well, it just matters with who votes. I mean, that's the thing. I actually believe that a lot of Republicans are also like, man, I fucking hate this guy at this point. I mean, you've got to not be having warm feelings. You've got to be like a hardcore Trump person at this point

to be like, yeah, I like this. Like, what's there to like? Yeah. You know, it's up. Anyhow, all right. What do you think he benefits from? Okay, so also this week, the whole Megan Kelly defending Blackface scenario.

Oh, Megan Kelly. Okay, here's the thing. Megan Kelly, I'm sorry. Do you think that benefits him though? Because watching that story, I thought the whole time first off, what she, because she went on, uh, uh, uh, making Kelly today, she and said that Blackface isn't that big of a deal and that they didn't want real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real,

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viewership and she wanted to be in the news for a day. And I think she really said to leave on her face and she overreached. I kind of feel that way. And I wonder if this is Trump. Does he love that? I think this think this is listen I think that's some fucking 4d chess shit although I will say this man she's a calculated person when she brought Bobby finger on and had him like her rang him in front of her audience for making fun of her unjustified way making Kelly had Bobby finger on oh yeah Bobby finger was doing a series called making Kelly today today where he missed this oh Oh, I remember this. Yeah. He caps everything that happened on her show and why it was terrible.

So she brought him, I invited him, brought him on the show. You never go in. You never go on. Tucker Carlson wanted to have somebody on one of our writers on, when we wrote the thing about climate change, about how it should be a crime if you're in office and you deny that it's happening, you people die under, you know, because of it. He wanted to have somebody come on. We're like, yeah, dude, we're not going to fall

for that. Nobody goes on Tucker Carlson and comes out looking good. Nobody except for like, like two people who are like Tucker, you're being ridiculous or whatever. But like, that only gets you so well, I get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get

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I don't know, I'll tell you what, I don't wanna, the fucking right wing people are out of their minds. Like I'm all about staying as far as they'll fuck away. And I still have fucking Ben Shapiro stands appearing in my fucking bench in Instagram, who are like, did you call Ben Shapiro and Auti? It's like no, but let's get the fuck out

of my Instagram comments, you creep, motherfucker. It's like six months later, you're still thinking about it, like there's something fucking wrong with you. Or you're a bot, like I don't know. But the point is, collect the worst of these people. So when I was watching the Megan Kelly thing,

I thought like, is this gonna play out in Trump's favor? And thankfully, the story has sort of fallen out. It's not playing out in Trump's favor. Here thankfully, the story has sort of fallen out. It's not playing out Trump's favor. Here's who's favorite's playing out is Megan Kelly's because she's gonna get $69 million for doing nothing. Yeah. Honestly, if I was in a contract for what is her contract? Like 10 years or something.

And I knew I could, if they fired me for saying something rude on the air that they would have to give me all the money, I would be dropping the N word immediately and just bail it. I'd be gone. No, I wouldn't obviously do that. But I get it. Like if you're Megan Kelly, who fucking cares? Yeah, if you're Megan Kelly and like it's like, nobody's ever gonna like her show. Her show sucks. People don't like her. No one's watching it. It's like, you know what? $69 million paycheck. Not even the most racist thing she's ever said. And she got her huge

paycheck out of it. Like, she is a huge monster. I'm sorry. Fuck, you know what? $69 million paycheck. Not even the most racist thing she's ever said and she got her huge paycheck out of it. Like she is a huge monster. I'm sorry. You know what? Fuck NBC for hiring her in the first place. They want to cout out to these fucking white, right wing conservative, whatever it is, wherever she came from fucking Fox.

It's a cesspool. Nobody comes out of Fox and is good. I just think too like NBC just seems from everything I've seen. And I have to say, like, I always dreamed of working there since I watched like my CTV. I thought like, there's good stuff on NBC. It's not, I mean, it was, it was, it was literally, my dream job was to work at NBC one day. Like I loved NBC as a network. I have to say though, like, I guess maybe it's a post-ducker thing, but like, they tried to suppress the Ronan Farrow story. They hired Megan Kelly and the whole sort of network pivot

towards, you know what, I'll bring it all around to this and say the whole network pivot post-Trump, which was like, well, bring in Roseanne, we'll bring in Megan Kelly. Let's get conservative. That's what's cool now. Like, let's get alt right. I knew it was gonna fail.

I didn't want to have to go through the process of everybody being exposed to these horrible ideas and giving all these people pay checks to get there. But it seems at this point, that whole strategy has kind of failed, right? Like the Rosanne thing, fucking blow up in their face. Megan Kelly's blown up in NBC's face.

Like, it was only a matter of time. Fox is now completely separating from Fox News, like corporate wise. Like, at a certain point, like these ideas were going to fail, right? I mean, maybe I mean, like hiring someone who gets attention because they tweet racist things when they're on Ambien to host your family sitcom wasn't going to like be a sustainable model. I mean, listen, I just watched episode two of the Conners and I gotta tell you, it's just

getting better and better. Just better and better, okay? Um, look, let's just say that there's a lot of bad decision making going on in the wake of Trump's win. I think a lot of, there's a lot of confused people out there and many of them work for major networks. Um, we gotta talk about, I couldn't talk about some other things because, uh, this shit's a real bummer. Yeah, I want to confront you about one thing and then I want to agree with

you on another. I have a lot of you publish too high talk about and I had the news more is more yeah, there's more where that came from. I read I read both those pieces in between like Bouts of vomiting, gray goo and I thought I was like causing you to vomit. I thought to myself, yup, like VR is dead, or it's dying. I still like it, but you're right, it's dying. I mean, it's fucking, it's awesome, but like it's just like, it's just is not gonna be a thing.

The way it has been rolled out, the way it's been supported, the tech has not, I mean, it's come far, but not that far from like where we saw it five years ago, you know, it's like, it should be really miniaturized at this point. And like, we got like, the Oculus Go, which is a smartphone in a headset. Well, we've got a whole bunch of, you know, like those creative MP3 players from 1999, like we've got a whole bunch of those floating around and they're not.

Yeah, we get a whole PMPs. Yeah, and we're the PMPs before, but they're, but, but there's no, I probably, because they're, but there's no second. I probably, because there's no incentive. No one needs it, no one wants it. It's like, what is, what's the killer app for VR? No one has come up with it yet. I mean, there's, I mean, I can think of, I like to view VR, but there's nothing I could tell my parents,

like, hey, check this out, the way that I did with the Wii. Well, forget about your parents. I mean, maybe it's, I mean, it's not even like your parents. It's more like casual gamers, like, like, is there Fortnite VR? Like, what has that happened? How come that hasn't happened? And we haven't really thought it wouldn't be good.

The way it wouldn't be good because we haven't really thought through the fact that it's a completely different format. Like, when I played Skyrim and Resident Evil, they were both very technically impressive. I was also like nauseous and had a headache 15 minutes in and John loves them and he plays them by like sitting on an ice pack with a fan blowing in his face

and taking breaks every 45 minutes is how he has to play it because these games haven't been formatted for this new environment. Like they're just like really crappy slap dash thrown together versions of things. I mean, I just think, look, I'm a big fan of VR, but you gotta read the writing on the wall here.

It's not good. And I felt like as a person who's seen it from day one, I mean, literally we had the tape, the duct tape version of the Oculus Rift in our trailer at the verge in like 2012 or I think it's 2012, maybe it's 2013. Like we literally had like the duct tape version, you know, and the, you know, Brandon people from the company

like hanging out while like everybody tried it. I was like, holy shit, you know, but like, it's 2012 maybe. But the shit is the same size and you still need a $2,000 ring to do it. If you want to have the really killer experience, you need a huge rig. What you need, what I really want,

this, I said the same thing for essentially the same thing for like when I was talking about Google Glass and the idea of like this kind of like ambient computing, it just needs to be something that is extremely simple, just really like, it's like wearing glasses, you know. Even then there's no guarantee, but it's more likely to have it work. And the trend, even though phones have gotten slightly larger,

the general trend in technology has been, I mean, the successful stuff has been laptops that are thinner and smaller and have less ports, like iPads, phones, Apple Watches, sort of like cloud-based computing. Everything that makes it more less and less intrusive and bulky and makes it more casual and more part of like a naturalistic way of living your life are the things that seem to really take off like Fitbit style stuff. All of that stuff seems to work because it seems so natural and easy

to like just throw it into your everyday life. And then suddenly, they've got a bag full of shit that needs to be charged. But like AirPods are wildly successful, not because they sound great and easy to like just throw it into your everyday life. And then suddenly, you've got a bag full of shit that needs to be charged. But like air pods are wildly successful, not because they sound great, or they have the most features, or their noise can. It's like they're wildly successful because they're super tiny,

and there's no wire that gets caught on a cabinet while you walk by in the kitchen. Like that's the reason those are successful. And you look at VR, and I like using my PSVR. I've, someone, a listener to the show recommended that I play Astro Bat Rescue Mission on PSVR. I bought it. It was 40 bucks. It is a delightful, wonderful game.

It is, it feels, it makes me think about like the first time I played Mario or like the first time I played Crash Bandicoot, where I was like, this is a real step in a new direction and it's so exciting. But it's a beautiful game, but I can't play it for more than an hour at a time because there's like a face hugger on me and I'm hot and I can't see anything. And I don't know if I got a text message and did I hear a bump? Did someone knock on my door?

Was that in the game? I don't know. Let me pop out the headphone. It's just not natural or comfortable and they haven't worked on making it more because they're not sure people want it. But if they, you know, there's no one sent you right. There's no incentive for them to like make it better,

I guess, in the ways that it really needs to be better. It doesn't need to be higher resolution. It needs to be like not a hot plate on my face. Well, you need, and you need, you just need, yeah, I mean, you just need a reason too. Like, I think that's the, they need to be low barrier to entry and a good reason. And I don't know.

I don't know. I just, I don't know. I just, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don You know what I mean? Like, what is it? What are they? I mean, that was their problem with the Apple watches that we didn't know. They we took them so long to figure out that we just wanted to see text messages and counter steps. Like it took them so long to figure that out. Like, like, I mean, yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Like, do are we are people even using for text messages? I mean, I mean, I guess you see them. Like, it's fine, I guess. Like how many people are really looking exactly?

It's good for, oh, the weather and counting your steps and like, oh, I closed the rings and whatever. You know, it's like, I just don't see, yeah. People need to really think about why they're making this stuff. And I don't know what Apple's incentive is for AR. It's cool. I mean, Google doesn't really cool AR stuff too. They both have cool AR things going on,

but it's like, what is going to be the thing that? Yeah, I don't really care to shop for IKEA furniture through my phone. That's just not something I'm gonna realistically be doing. I mean, I've tried that. It doesn't work that great. And even if it did, even if it did, I wanna go to IKEA and see it in person. It's a lot of money I'm not gonna sit my apartment and be like hmm. Let me flick through these 1900 sofas and like it's just not right

It's not I mean yeah, you you have to you have to yeah, I mean, it's just like It works for directions works for Pokemon. It works for I mean if I was poking and I need to have the recipe in front of me and someone showing me how I could use the knife. And so I see a little model that's like, this is how you slice it. And I could just follow the easy instructions and say like, next thing and it comes up with that. Like, that stuff would be nice.

They haven't solved any of those problems. And I don't want to have to strap myself to a battery and a VR rig to do that. Yeah, no, exactly. I don't want to have to strap myself to a battery and a VR rig to do that. Yeah, no, exactly. I mean, maybe just red-debred redemption, half of the armate, maybe that's gonna be the... Maybe need something big enough. Have you played red-debred redemption yet? No, I haven't played it.

I'm gonna have to, is it available now? I'm gonna have to get it. And you even download it? I think so. I don't even know where I like it. I guess I would. I'll probably enjoy it. Well, speaking of Apple and Google,

you're all there hot take this week was about their camera. Let me tell you the genesis of my thing about the thing I read about Apple, which was like actually, I was reading the verge review of the iPhone XR, and I'm like, man, these pictures are not good. And then I was like, well, you know what? I didn't get it at excess and I've been thinking about it. And I went and got one because I've been like

toying with the idea of going back to the iPhone. And you know, it's like, it's a great phone. It's a great iPhone. You know, it is, but it's like, I was testing the camera. And it's like, it's not as good as the Pixel. It's not as good as the Pixel 3. It just isn't. Like, I want it to be. I want it to's like, I was testing the camera, and it's like, it's not as good as the Pixel. It's not as good as the Pixel 3. It just isn't. Like, I want it to be. I want it to be, like, and there are places

where it's really fucking good. Don't get me wrong, like, it's a very good phone in a very good camera. But then I was kind of like, well, like, one of the other things that, like, I do with my phone that the iPhone would do better. And there's only one thing, I keep kind of back, there's only one thing, and that thing is even,

it isn't even like it does it better, it just does there's only one thing, I keep coming back, there's only one thing, and that thing is even, it isn't even like it does it better, it just does it differently, which is eye message. Like, and there's no like technical reason why, it's just a trick that I, I mean, my mother was telling me about how she keeps putting things in junk in her junk folder in Apple mail, and then like the things still keep coming.

And it's like, that's weird. That indicates to me that Apple's doing a bad job at managing people's junk mail. And it's like, I don't have that problem. The Google shit works really well. And there's just a bunch of places where Laura really dumbed things. There's an album that she bought on iTunes, which is no longer available. I think it's the original Annie record or some weird thing. And we wanted to play it for Zelda. available, that we wanted, I think it's the original Annie record or some weird thing, and it's like, we wanted to play it for Zelda. She's like, well, I have these files,

but I can't, she's like, I can't get them on my phone to play them. She's like, I downloaded the album, like the MP3s, but I can't get them on my phone to play them, you know? Like, she has to like, sync them or whatever. And it's like, oh yeah, well, I'll just get downloaded from Dropbox and put them into my library on my phone. Like, you can just do it. I know that sounds dumb and nerdy, but it's like solved a problem. I mean, when I have to access music that isn't part of

the Apple Music library, it is, it's not fun. It's not an easy thing to do, which is bizarre, because this is the company that built their entire empire on, like, just download these MP3s and put them on your iPod and it's the dead simple and like a baby can do it. Yeah, and so like here's the thing. The iPhone is a wonderfully elegant device, but it is actually very ineligent in many ways. And increasingly like it's apps feel not just like disconnected from like the rest of

the world and they really are like series ridiculous. Like I was like Siri play post blown on spot. I was like play post played Post-Bloom on Spotify. I was like, play Post-Bloom on Spotify, and she gave me like a fake like documentary that's made about Post-Bloom's available on the iTunes store. And it was like, what is this? Like what are you trying to do here for me? Like, it's not even close to what I asked for.

You know what I'm saying? And like things like that seem really dumb. Like a normal person might be like, I want to hear this music on this music app that I use and your phone should be smart enough to be able to like put that together at this point. And it isn't. But it's actually like the reason

that Google can do all of this stuff and so well and so like seamlessly is because they've sucked up all of our data and- Okay, so Hona, so this is where I got, so I got the thing on playing around that. Originally I was gonna kind of just write a thing about the camera and I was gonna kind of be like, wow, I'm surprised.

And then I was reading up on the stuff that Tim Cook talked about at this conference, which is very spot on. I agree with him 100%, which is we need to have better regulations and better rules about how these companies can use your data. That said, I don't feel abused by Google's use of my data. I really don't. I think I've talked about this before,

but there's a real difference between what Facebook does and what Google does with my data. Right? Now, do I get ads that are served to me that are like four things that I have looked at on the internet? Like, yes, that happens. That happens on Instagram too. It generally doesn't actually bother me that much. Like seeing an ad for something that I might want. And I have to say sometimes the guesses are pretty good, doesn't bother me that much. Google has access, at least in my universe, Google has access to a lot of my personal data, photos and emails and all sorts of stuff, and I have seen no evidence and felt no evidence of its abuse of that data, right? Like, I think they've been, I think they've been very metered in their approach, at least from my personal experience, to how much that data is exposed, where that data lives, how much it's anonymized versus not anonymized, et cetera. I think there you have a, I'm sure there are some checks and balances they can be put into place that would like close some loopholes that if I maybe knew about a little bit more, I wouldn't

love, but the reality is like my experience is they have been fairly responsible with my data. And so you get into this conversation, you get into this question about like, and beyond that, not just responsible, but I've seen places in my daily life where their access to my data makes my life better and easier. And I think that this is the same thing that people who use Alexa see, and particularly people who are using the Google Home

C. And as we start to think about computing in this way, that it is not just some static box you come to, but it is a thing that touches a lot of, I mean, this is the thing about technology. This is the change in technology that's happening is technology isn't a box you visit, you know, a screen here or a screen there. It is a thing that kind of is a part of what we do all the time, you know. Now, that may not be ideal for most people or all people, but it actually could be really

fucking amazing, right? Like, there are ways that can be implemented where it's amazing. The question is, are people going to do it responsibly? Yeah, what really worries me is that we need regulation, we need transparency, we need like really ethical guidelines of how this is used how it's anonymized how data is like gotten rid of and forgotten. But I worry that like we can't get the

government to not do horrible, like Nazi stuff. And I don't know that I want to put my faith into a company when there is no regulation or real oversight or like I'll put my faith in that the EU will step in in some capacity. Well, who's the question is also who's regulating, right? Like if Trump, I'd rather live without a good photo or good suggestions for my shopping habits than. Yeah, but it shouldn't be, we shouldn't live in it. We shouldn't have to live in a world where your options are, the government can, you know,

go into your fucking email whenever they want, or we don't, you don't have, your data isn't used in a way that is like, there should be a middle ground there. Like, I don't think, I mean, look, it's very easy for, if you want, it's very easy. You can, I'm not, by the way, I'm not arguing for this. I'm saying that we should have protections, our data should have protections, the government should have no access to that data, and companies should be extremely responsible with

and extremely transparent about how and where and when and why the data is used, right? I'm, and that's in the piece. Like, oh yeah. I'm not, I'm not arguing for less regulation. I'm arguing for more and I'm not arguing that what Tim Cook is saying is wrong. What I am saying is that there's a way to use that data that is beneficial to consumers and end users. Totally. And there are lots of places where that happens. It's just what we need some checks around it. So my point

about the piece, what happened at what ended up happening was as I thought more and more about the things that I do on a device like the iPhone, which is its flagship device. And increasingly as like the company kind of moves away from intelligently designing laptops that people actually want to use, is like that's the whole thing. That's the whole kid and caboodle for Apple. I just thought about how much of it is just like not that great. It's just isn't that good, you know. It just doesn't work that great. It's like they do make nice hardware.

They make incredibly good silicon. They have incredibly fast chips. But I don't feel that the iPhone is faster than my Pixel or faster than the Galaxy Note 9. It doesn't feel faster. I'm also sick of me. You know? Price gouged for stuff that doesn't feel faster. Like, yes, it really looks great.

But like, I don't want to pay $1,500 for a phone because it's a little thinner. It's like, let's think of it this way. People fucking love the switch. The switch is super underpowered compared to a, like, a PlayStation 4 or a fucking, or an Xbox, or even, I think the iPhone. Like, but I didn't feel, I didn't feel gouged for my 350 or 400, I forget what it was, PS4 Pro.

I didn't feel gouged for that, I didn't feel gouged for my Switch. You don't feel gouged but also it's the sum of its parts. It's not just the processor, it's not just the technology that goes into the, you know, the etch chain of the fucking bevels or whatever. It's like, it's the whole thing, you know? And the whole thing has to feel better, and all of the parts have to connect up better. And it has to be like, I don't know, more thoughtfully made for consumers.

And I feel like, there's a lot of stuff like, like Lauren, I were talking about notifications, and like, she's like, oh, I don't even swipe down on the notification panel. Like, I think that apples made it such a bad experience for people. The people have just abandoned it. I think I live in notifications on the pixel because they're so useful.

And you know what I pride myself turning to more than anything else is not my MacBook, my powerful MacBook or whatever. I don't find myself like booting up my gaming PC to get stuff done. What I actually find myself doing a lot of the time, I reach for my Kindle. I reach for my little dedicated, like, I have a tiny, like, netbook that I used to type on because it keeps all the distractions away. I reach for my switch. I reach for, like, I use my Apple Watch to check notifications in the time in the weather and occasionally ask Syria a question that is so basic because I know that she could answer, like, a math question, but that's it. I turn to Alexa. I don't turn to these bigger solutions.

And so the overpowered thing where they're new iPad, I'm probably going to get one because I like drawing on it. But I really, I feel silly having now sold my iPad, I feel kind of silly thinking about that I'm going to spend $500 for it to do something it could already do. And I don't need it to be so wildly insane processor in there. You know what I mean?

A mobile processor doesn't need to do that for me. My Kindle is the best computing experience and it's five years old. I mean, I know exactly what you mean. I mean, increasingly, I mean, I think as people get more comfortable with technology, there is going to be less of a focus on that one thing and more, this is exactly the same with that distribution of things, you know?

But like, I feel like the distribution of things for Apple only works if everything is part of Apple's ecosystem, which I find to be frustrating and extremely aggressive anti-user behavior for a company. You know, it is the same thing about, you know, the fact that you can't repair any of these products, which is true of all of these companies now. And I understand like most people aren't gonna repair their fucking phone. But the, but this idea that it's these closed systems and that the closed system isn't that good,

is the thing that bothers me. So anyhow, so the whole thing, that whole piece was like, well, I started with the camera and I'm like, well, wow, the camera isn't as good. Like that's fucking crazy. Apple used to be the king of cameras. Like I used to, well, wow, the camera isn't as good. Like, that's fucking crazy. Apple used to be the king of cameras. Like, I used to, I, here's, my cycle would always be this.

I'd get the iPhone. Like, an Android phone would come out that I thought was pretty fucking cool. I'd get that. I'd use it for like a few weeks. The camera would annoy the shit out of me. I'd bail on it and go back to the iPhone because the camera was the best.

And like, I think taking pictures is like, I don't know, like just, I the iPhone because the camera was the best. And I think taking pictures is like, I don't know. I mean, look at the rise of Instagram. I think for people, like for a lot of people capturing their life with their phone has become like a major part of how they communicate with other people and how they remember things and how they experience things. I'm not saying that that's good or bad, but it is what it is. And like, I have a kid, you know, it's so important to have a camera that's good to take pictures of

her. She does so much ridiculous stuff all the time, outfits and cute chitchis doing and crazy new things she's learned at school and you just want to have a memory of it. And I'm reaching for my phone all the time to capture that. And it's crazy to me now that Apple doesn't have the time to capture that. And it's like, you know, it's crazy to me now that like Apple doesn't have the best thing for that. That it is like, you know, even little things, like opening the camera on the iPhone takes longer. If I'm in an app and I need to open the camera

on the iPhone, I have to like swipe open the, whatever the thing is called, control panel and then tap on a camera icon there and that opens the camera. On the pixel, if you literally double tap the power button a camera icon there and that opens the camera. On the pixel, if you literally double tap the power button from wherever you are, it opens the camera no matter what you're doing. So it's like super fast.

And when you have a kid, you can't wait to capture a moment. So the point is, so that's what was kind of like crazy. And then I was thinking about how the rest of it is also sort of mediocre to me. And then I was like reading the Tim Cook and watching the Tim Cook thing, like agreeing with it, but then also going like, yeah, but also, you guys are like, we have this incredible portrait mode and we put it in the second camera, like our hardware is so advanced and it's like,

well, Google did the same thing. That's like, often the results are better. Like, and it's all done in software. And part of the reason they're able to do this, because like they can analyze, like all of these photos from these massive amounts of photography that they've got access to., because they can analyze all of these photos from these massive amounts of photography that they've got access to,

and figure out what makes a good picture in a bad picture, and figure out how that shit works. And so there are, and there aren't, like, look, is it scary that they have access to that? Yeah, but if the data, if those images are anonymized and being fed through a machine and not like, it's not like somebody's looking at your photos, maybe somebody has, I don't know.

And you know what? I don't keep my porn in my photos, my Google photos account. So I'm all good there. I actually saw Laura tweeted something, or posted something on Instagram about how she, how her phone camera wasn't good, or her pictures weren't good, or something, I forget. But DM turn was like, you know,

the fact that I worry about my phone camera so much definitely indicates to me that I'm a broken person. So if you don't care, like, roll with that feeling. But you know now that you're talking about it, I think it just comes down to not that I do care about my phone that bothers me. Like, I do want my phone camera to be good.

And sometimes I think like that's so, like, I don't know, a spoil of me or like it's a silly worry or whatever, but I actually think what I'm really annoyed me or like it's a silly worry or whatever. But I actually think what I'm really annoyed with or the thing that I worry about with my phone, with my computers, with all that stuff is maybe if it was all better, it would be less in my way. And I wouldn't worry about like, I can't get the thing open and I wanted to capture the stupid picture.

Now it's not here. And now I feel silly for even trying and like, why did I need this picture? You know, like you sort of get, there's such an emotional attachment to the way that we use this stuff and it's so a part of our day to day lives that I kind of just want it all to be better, I think, unless I want to have to think about it as much. And I do have to say my iPhone is increasingly,

I have to think about how I use it and the ways that I get around using it. Or if I have to use my iPad to get something done, I realize I can't, so I have to transfer the file through AirDrop to my laptop where I have to download a third party app and use those permissions to what edit the podcast? That just seems really silly. I should be able to edit this podcast on my phone

on the subway home and I can't do that on the iPhone. Well, actually, where I'll give Apple to advantages like something like GarageBand, you know, unlike... It's not great. On the iPhone. I'll say it's better than... Yeah, but it's not great, but it's better than what it's better than what's on Android and I will say I saw That's a Photoshop version for iPad that looks pretty good Like like there are places where they excel like there are third-party apps that are really good

And like I will say that the platforms are I mean the iPhones capable of being so much of a better platform, in my opinion. They just don't allow it to be like, like, it should be at this point. I should be able to, I should be able to choose a different mail app. Like, they still penalize. Like, this is the crazy thing about Apple. It's so fucking obnoxious. They penalize Gmail users. They've made it so that like, you can't like, and everybody I know is a Gmail user. I mean, who is that? Like, who is it? It checks every 15 minutes for email. It could check more often. I mean, and they make you use the third party app and then you can't get the expanded notification off.

It's just a mail. And when you get, and when you get the link that's a mail to link, it opens up in Apple mail. And because it won't let you choose, to me, it's like crazy, these are the new computing platforms. And you should be able to choose what fucking browse are you using? I mean, I should be able to double tap the power button

and instead of my Apple Pay coming up, which I never use unless it's on my Apple Watch and then only occasionally, and have the camera pop up or whatever I want, Twitter should pop up, like whatever I really want. Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry. They're very, I think they're very crafty devices. I think that the OS has woefully fallen behind in many areas,

but I think more deeply than that, the underlying architecture of how it functions, the underlying place as it touches in terms of data has fallen woefully behind. And yes, it's scary about the data stuff is scary, but also I would argue that the vast majority of Google users do not feel that they have been taken advantage of by Google or that their data has been misused. They feel that they are being given pretty valuable services that help them in a bunch

of different ways. And like I think Apple now has fallen back on its argument is like they're not protecting your data. I mean, on Twitter, their arguments to me were like, yeah, you can have a good phone or you can have your data protectants. Like, I don't think that's the real choice and also the fact that you've fallen in line with Apple's rhetoric that that's the hill to die on now,

that the new thing is about your privacy and your data and nothing else matters is evidence. It like literally is evidence that they can't do the things that they need to do to be competitive in many other places. And that this is now becoming mantra for, that this is becoming mantra for their users, for their hardcore like fanboys and and fan girls is like really telling. Yeah. You know, it's pretty weird.

We need a third way. We need to bring back WebOS. I mean, well, WebOS is in so much of all of the stuff that we use now. I mean, yeah, it was stripped for parts. Every time I look at the iOS interface, like whenever they update something, I always think like, I guess people constantly talk about how Android and IOS keep borrowing for each other, but all I think is like, no, they both stripped

WebOS for parts and like somewhere along the in history, Verizon chose the droid instead of WebOS and like in that universe, Hillary Clinton won. And then the other thing, what we should talk about FilmStruck, because I saw a time you'll tween that today. On the rest in piece, my sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, Sweet. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I haven't heard. I haven't heard people say shit about film struck ever. I think it was like a low key hit. Not a single film struck mentioned in the TL. All right. And now today, where he's like, I can't believe it's like, maybe you should have been a little more vocal about how great film struck was. Maybe they should have put on an app that I could put it on my TV.

I had to watch film struck for my phone. I'm trying to see what even was. Yeah either they didn't have an Apple TV app or a Roku app. I couldn't get it on my Xbox, my Chromecast, like without doing the light. Let me see what broad past. TV download studdery bullshit. Like there was no easy way to use it. Honestly, like, film shark was a great library with a terrible service attached to it. I can't even look at their content now anymore. They've just they've just shuddered. I guess. I like I want to know what it was what it was on film struck.

Nationalized film struck, nationalized movie pass. Make these what I don't think move the copyright. Wow. And just let us like I have an idea Netflix Netflix should buy film struck and just create a film struck option within Well, that's what Warner brothers is gonna do right like Warner brothers AT&T is gonna make your own sure Okay, then they're gonna make they're gonna make they're gonna make a Netflix competitor great So I can pay for Hulu Netflix Amazon HBO showtime direct TV direct TV now HBO showtime

I Don't know whatever this is all bullshit. Apple Apple, Apple starting a new service to study new service where nobody swears. Oh God, I can't believe every time I hear in there like it's going to be free. I'm like, so the content is so bad you don't believe you could charge for it. Okay, cool. At any rate, at any rate, the point is, uh, film struck was hot shit apparently for four people and now they're mad that it's gone. Yeah, I'm mad that it's gone. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I just feel like if you love something...

It's just hard that it's an alternative to find a lot of those things without turning to piracy, or like getting a Blu-ray or DVD transferred from my library, which I will forever ring the bell that libraries are important and we must protect them. If you love something, you've got to tell people about it. Yeah. That's my opinion, which is a great segue. Well, do you have any nice things or shall I go? You should go first.

I have some nice things though. I already talked about it a little bit, but one of my nice things was astrobot rescue mission, which if you have a PSVR is an easy, easy, easy recommendation. It is very fun and delightful. And it played with my brain, and I really like it. If you don't have a PSVR, it's not a reason to buy one. And then I watched the first three episodes

of the new Sabrina, the chilling adventures of Sabrina on Netflix. I don't care for Riverdale, but I love Sabrina. So there's elements of the show that I'm not sure I like love, but Kiernan Shipka is a gift, and any spooky teen adventures are welcome in my universe. I've got to watch it. I have two YouTube recommendations,

two little things that I loved and watched. One is just a quick 10 minute video that Wired did with a former CIA chief explaining how spies use disguises, and the ways that their philosophy of disguise, which was fascinating and is really telling about how we identify people and the ways that we interpret really nonverbal cues to decide who is worth our attention or that we will remember. So if you're an American in Paris, there's just different ways to stand or hold a cigarette or wear your hair that tell people,

when you're on the subway, you can tell sometimes when someone's a tourist, the ways that they like a game that, in order to be invisible was super fascinating. So I would definitely click on that. I think they're doing a larger series called Masterminds that I really liked. And I saw a video about,

it's called The Weird Origins of the Brave Little Toaster and it was a deep dive into the original novel and then the movie, The Brave Little Toaster and how it sort of foreshadowed everything that was going to come with Pixar and like that whole genre of entertainment. And it was super weird and I was very sick and I was, I was super into it. The Brave Little Toaster is really fucked up and also like, you're the queer and political and it makes no sense. So if you have any time or nostalgia

for the Brave Little Toaster, I would definitely say go check that out. Wow, that's a lot. Yeah. I don't have anything that's nearly as good as that. I'll say this, I don't know if I've talked about this. We've been composting, did I talk about this? No, you've been composting?

Have I talked about Laura started? So Laura has recently gotten really into gardening. We did a lot of gardening this summer, and Zelda seems very interested in it, and obviously it's very fascinating for her to see how plants grow and stuff. So we've been doing a lot of gardening, a lot of like tending to little plants and growing stuff around the house. And Laura decided

that we should start composting. We have some, you know, space here. So she got this like, they sell this like plastic thing. You set up somewhere outside. And so now, so now like we're a composting house to some extent. And I'm kind of like it's kind of cool. Like every time I like crack an egg or I make a coffee or whatever, I think about how I'm gonna contribute to the health of the wildlife in our home and around our house, which is kind of an interesting, you know, the thing about recycling is it really abstracts

you from the experience of what, like, yeah, I put the glass on the thing, but no, I don't know don't know like who knows maybe it just goes into a fucking dump somewhere like I assume they're doing something good with it but you never know this is like it really is like it gets you one kind of just a little like a one-toe closer to like living off the land you know you're like I'm going to watch this thing have a direct contribution on the other things in my life, which is presumably how people used to feel all the time. Like when you kill the family cow to eat it or whatever, then you'd like make some blankets out of it or boots or I don't know what you do, but you use all the cow, I guess, you

know? It's like a stepping on a level of like control and mastery over what's going into your body and how you're using your environment. Yeah, well, which is a cool idea. I mean, think about it. It's like, we have a well, like we have well water, okay? So, which sucks in a lot of ways. Like we were just saying, we have septic and well,

it's a huge pain in the ass, but like it's cool in a way because it's like self-contained. Like we're not part of like the water grid. well, it's a huge pain in the ass. But it's cool in a way because it's self-contained. We're not part of the water grid. We have our own water. That's pretty interesting. So now we're composting and we're going to have dirt and we're going to grow plants and we can grow plants that we grew carrots. There's little carrots in the ground. You can eat. We have a cherry tree and an apple tree. It's just like, okay, look, I've lived in cities my whole life and I don't live in one now

and now I think we're starting to like get into like, living here and the composting thing is like, I don't know, it's kind of exciting. It's kind of an interesting experience and I recommend it for people. If you can do it, there's apparently, by the way, a also a way to do it where things don't absolutely reach. I didn't notice it.

Like, just be careful what you wear. I was just here, how's this weekend? I did not notice it and that's why I was a little shocked that you were like, I'm composting. Because anyone I've ever met who's composted, like you can tell, I could tell. Yeah, so the thing about it is, like if you put the wrong shit in the compost,

you put like, there's like, fats and stuff you can put in there that really fuck it up. And so you have to be really careful about what you put in there that it breaks down in the right way and that it chemically works with the other stuff. Well, look, we've talked about a lot of things. It's a dark week. And now I'm going to go play Red Dead Redemption 2.

And that's the important thing. That's the important note to take away from this episode. Vote. I hope that you've, yeah, in vote. Well, we're not, we're not, we're going to be, are we going to be on the air before, yeah, we're going to be on the air again before we put these votes. But I want you to feel better. So please take care of yourself.

I'll be taking iron supplements and hydrating. I want the reader, however, or sorry, the listener to get to get very, yeah, on Molly. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best, though I understand your family has been in a very small room with Ryan for several hours. And now they've all got the flu. you