Tomorrow - 139: Blue Midterm Redemption 2

Episode Date: November 10, 2018

This week has been an explosion of news. On 139, Josh and Ryan unpack Tucker Carlson's protesters, Amazon's search for a second headquarter, Ariana Grande's powerful moves against her exes (and America), Ruth Bader Ginsburg's cracking ribs, and the second return of the Spice Girls. Then Ryan interviews Glamour senior political reporter and host of Driving Forces on WBAI, Celeste Katz, about the midterm election results and the current political landscape. Enjoy this episode and (don't) kick Tucker Carlson's dog. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Josh Wittepulski. To end the podcast, we discuss voter suppression, Tucker Carlson's dog, and donut to tomorrow. I'm your host Josh Wittepulski. To the podcast we discuss voter suppression, Tucker Carlson's dog, and doughnut licking. I don't waste one minute. Let's get right into it. Well, here we are. So much week. I feel like we say this every week, but we did it. We did it. We did it. And guess what the result was, I bought red dendrovertime.

I don't understand. Was that your, was that your like, you're like, if the, if the election goes not horribly? No, the voters spoke and they said, Ryan, you need to eat shit and crow. And I'm eating shit and crow because guess what? Me two seconds ago, I hate Westerns. I think they're stupid. I don't like Grand Theft Auto. This is bullshit.

Me now, full Joanne. I've got the pink hat on. I'm riding around on my cowboy hat. Oh, you get the pink hat? I'm not yet, but I don't know. I am so into Red Dead Redemption 2. I've only played again. I've played a very short amount of the game.

I've been working very hard on something. Yeah, I haven't been able to play it. Ton, I got it yesterday. On many things, actually, but it's a vast world. Apparently, you can do real bad stuff in it. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I haven't done it yet. So you love it now. I love it. I'm a real dead head. Does this make you reconsider? Do you think you want to go back and play Grand Theft Auto 5? No. People love it. Yeah. And maybe I'll play the next Grand Theft Auto,

but I'm loving it. It's pretty fun. Have you ever seen the video? There's still stuff about the Grand Theft Auto formula that I'm not like. It's a little too lucy, goosey. Like sometimes with my horse, I'm doing stuff and then accidentally something happens

and now I'm wanting to die a while. I'm sure you're like, oh, I ran over some. Yeah, like I need a little more in line. Are you okay? Are you now at the point in the game where you like going to towns and stuff? Yeah, yeah. Okay, I ran over some, yeah, like I need a little more. Are you okay? Are you, are you now at the point in the game where you like going to towns and stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I haven't even gotten there. Oh, your son's not like, I'm in the intro part.

Yeah. Where, it's no stuff. On the snow stuff, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like got a little bit past it. We, we, we, we, we did a spoiler alert train robbery. Mm-hmm. I think that's as far as I've got.

Yeah. Cause I dropped the train. Okay, it gets better. Okay. But also, I dropped the train. OK. It gets better. But also, I do constantly feel I need magical powers or robots or something. Like there is something missing in a Western genre for me. But the game itself, wonderful. I think there should be a way in the game.

Like there should be a discovery late in the game. You uncover like some alien weaponry. You said too much like that bad. What was that bad movie? Westworld. No. Yes. No, it much like that bad. What was that bad movie? Was it Fast World? No. Yes. No, it was like Cowboys and aliens or something.

Yeah. Well, I'll say this. I bought it yesterday in order to show you that I bought it. But I wasn't going to play it. But then we didn't record yesterday. So I went home. I popped the game in and it took five hours to install. And once it did, I was like, I'll play for an hour.

But I got to go to bed six hours later. I was like, we're out here in the old west. What time did you go to bed on the sheriff? Like 4.30 or 5 in the morning. That's fucking interesting. I couldn't six hours later. I was like, we're out here in the old west. What time did you go to bed on the sheriff? Like four, 30 or five in the morning. Oh, that's fucking sick. I couldn't put it down. Wow, you should get a kid because I think it would. No, I'm good.

Definitely, you would definitely put you on a better tighter schedule. I'm happy, doesn't neglecting my cat. I'm the, I was the king of the nocturnal creatures. I was a fucking vampire. My almost my whole life, I used to love, I just fucking start working on music at like midnight and I worked till like five in the morning

and then I go to bed, I'd sleep until like noon or one. I get up, I invite one of my, find some friend to have lunch with, go have lunch. I love lunch, I lived for lunch. I like getting up at 10 because then I have time to go to the gym. But I'll be so fucking depressed now if I woke up at 1 o'clock. Oh, no, that's great.

No, that sounds like a bomb. No, actually, I don't like waking up past 11. I love the morning. I love it. It could take her leave the morning. I hate mornings. Yeah, but I love the morning. I feel like my brain doesn't truly get activated.

I'm not a morning person, but I could shift my schedule though. I could tell you something. I could. I have a race. I love the daylight. It's probably because we live in this depressing era. It's our era also, but area of the world where now it's like getting dark at three o'clock. My family, my mom is extremely, she feels like if you sleep at all, you're lazy. So whenever I spend an extended amount of time with my family, I do get on the 7 a.m.

schedule and I'm on it. Yeah. And it's good. It's wonderful. Look, that's not what I'm naturally gravitating. No, no, I'm sane. I mean, that's what I'm with my family, I do get on the 7 a.m. schedule and I'm on it. And it's good. It's wonderful. Look, that's not what I'm naturally gravitating. No, no, I'm saying. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I am a nightmare in the morning. I'm a horrible person.

You don't want to be around me when I wake up. But I like the morning. Yeah. I just don't like being awake in the morning or the process of waking up. Yeah, probably. I love right now. Well, okay. But let's talk about the real story.

You're burying the lead. What's the lead? What could be bigger than that? We had a midterm election. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, freaking out about well We've got a giant conversation I just had with Celeste cats about all these results coming up. Yes Yes, but I would love to hear you You would love your in-depth conversation on it and that which I was not a part of which I'm very upset about And so now I'm gonna have to get, I know my voice. I knew you've already talked about it.

You wanted to see your daughter. I don't know. No, I've been working on an exciting project here, and it's been taking a lot of my time, and that's just the reality. So what happened when it's not telling anybody about it yet, but I'm gonna have some stuff to say about it. How do you feel about the midterms?

Well, when I went to bed, I had to stop watching pretty early. I got hammered, so I... Well, we were drinking and then also I was like, you know what, it's like the Senate stuff's really bombing me out because we lost a lot of seats in the Senate, which is bad. Yeah. The House obviously went really well, which is good.

Governor ships went well. Governor ships went pretty well. I mean, we gained a bunch, but you know, there's also what's going on in Georgia and what's going on now in Florida. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov.

Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov.

Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Trump. It's a Trump who is really getting the shit kicked out. I feel like he's one of those dolls in your kid. You pull a string in the back and it says something, but you pull the string too many times.

It's running out of battery. And it's just like they this is a skit. Uh, uh, uh, he's like, that's a stupid question. Like over and over again. Um, no, he's on. There's a snake in my book. He's, he's a snake in my boot. Um, he's unhinged. He's off the rise off his off his rocker, off his beds. And broke the rocker. I'm losing my voice.

I'll sold the rocker to Russia. You know, I love hearing Adam Schiff talk about what he's about to do with the intelligence committee. You know, in he's now running the House Intelligence Committee, I guess is what they call him. And he's like, yeah, we're going to re-supenison people and we got to open some, get some files over to Bob Mueller. And it's like, yeah, we're going to re-supenus and people and we got to open some, get some files over to Bob Muller. And it's like, yeah, it's all clicking now, you know? And then and then stormy Daniels is storming on in. Yeah, now I haven't, I haven't seen this story just today. There's a, there's a, he's,

there's evidence that he was involved with the Hushbund here, whatever. But the, but that, but also, but then also you've got this Matt Whitaker situation where he fires sessions, Trump fires sessions. He puts in Matt Whitaker. Everybody's like, this guy's, first off, this is unconstitutional and illegal, and this guy's not qualified, and he's definitely there to shut down or fuck with the Mueller investigation, which is so transparent. You don't so amazing to me about Trump and his cronies is like, you're like, they can't be, not this, like, his parent would be really obvious.

Like, like, they're like, it's something more sneaky than this. And it's like, no, they're this, it's this basic. It's like when he's like, no collusion, no collusion, it's like, yeah, you definitely are just saying that because you definitely colluded, right? Like, that's just how unsavvy you are about all this. Anyhow, so now he's walking back from that shit. He's like, I don't know him, though. Well, this is the guy. It's his temporary thing. I don't know. I'm not sure.

So, I mean, mention him. And I was like, wait, he worked for Jeff Sessions. I was just like, why not? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I went on a zippercrooter. You just really, exactly. I was a prercutor. My favorite serious advertiser during Howard Stern. There's so many recruiters that advertise during Howard Stern. It's like who's listening to Howard Stern? That's doing high on the middle of the work day. Who needs a higher people? Jeff Bezos. I know. At any rate. At any rate. So Howard Stern's an idiot by the way. I've decided. I maybe you can't stand listening to him. Sometimes he's pretty funny though. But anyhow, that's my exact same opinion about South Park. Fuck South Park. They did a giant episode.

I talk about this as my nice thing. I talked about it last, but they didn't episode where they apologized to Al Gore this week because they realized that climate change is real and they were being real assholes about it for years. Fuck those guys. At any rate, I blame them for Trump. But no, for no good reason, but I'm just going to.

But anyhow, so it's interesting. Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's, you know, who will survive in America? It's a question that I have to ask. When we launched the outline, we had, we originally had the thing at the top of the homepage, which was like, you could put messages in and our, I think when we launched our first message,

we had a launch message, it was like, hey, where's the outline? Hi. And then like a couple of days later it was just who will survive in America like, you know, four times in a row. And I have to say, I hate to, you know, cite a Kanye sample, but anyhow, like it's fucked up, man. We, our country isn't really, it's better than it was.

Sure. It's better than it was. Better than it was. And what it was was really scrawny in better than it was. Better than it was. And what it was was really scrapping the bottom. We now have some thing, some lever of power, some measure of a check and a balance, which people love to say. And I hate saying the cliche, but yet, you know, but it's still not done.

And he's so bad. Yeah. So bad for the world. So bad. So bad for this country. I just want it to be over. I need to just I need to rest. I don't need to rest. I need a break.

Ever been he said chill. This week has been like, okay, for some. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Last week was the pipe bombings into the fucking Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. This week we've got midterm elections about the shooting, right? I mean, we've talked about that. This week we've got midterm elections. It's about the shooting, right?

I mean, we've talked about that. It's got midterm elections. We need Tucker Carlson House protesters. RBG is falling over. Doc is protected. There's a shooting at 1000 oaks. There's fires in California. Shooting, yeah, there's the, but they,

literally, it's like a weirmin Daniels. It's less than a week or something to the day. And now there's another shooting. How many people died? 12 people. You know, this is the 307th mass shooting in 312 days. White guy with a gun, right?

Yeah, turns out. Turns out not so great. Yeah. So it's like, it's like, we all just need a break. And he's definitely like, just when he talks, like watching him interact with the press is so fucked up. It's like the Democrats' stuff is just beyond the pale. Listen, what's crazy is there are people,

I don't think you have to be, I don't know, like no president has ever acted like this in history. No president has ever treated the press. I mean, they've treated them bad. Nixon was no fan of the fucking press, but it was not like this. You know, I'm not saying there haven't been wild injustices

in this country at the hands of the president, but there have been. But like, it's never, it's just never, it's so, he's such a fucking piece of trash. Like, he's such a trashy person, and he deals with people in such a trashy way. It's like, I just want somebody who's sane and even a little bit kind to run the country. You don't have to be it.

It's like being succumbent. You have to be a pushover. You're going to sense of shame. You have to be a pushover. Obama was not a pushover, but he knew how to be kind to people. Yeah. He's not an angel. I'm sure he bombed a lot of people.

He deported a lot of people, but he did it in a really nice way. And that's what I like about Obama. Anyhow, so it's fucked up. And then, so yeah, so then, okay, so that happened. And I don't know, I feel a little bit better, but I feel, I feel worse too, but I feel better. I feel at least at this point, like, I don't, I guess why I feel that I don't feel a sense that at any minute, like we could have canceled elections or at any minute we could have. Like what's a military takeover of state government? Like I'm not at the point, but what's your doing?

March a law. But what they're doing with Florida and Georgia is really messed up. I mean, like voter suppression is not even theoretical or like, or like, well, I, you know, it's a big debate about if we need ideas. Like we were at a point where they're full on hiding voting machines. Yeah, like burning ballots. Yeah. And not only, and we're talking about, Lee, not only is it, um, uh, oh, wow, hold on, I'm

literally just, wait, I'm just looking at this. There's a picture somebody has here of, I've seen photos that appear to show tons of uncounted ballots sitting inside a Miami area, a mail room in Opalaka, Miami data elections, spokesperson says they're aware of the reported ballots, but can't do anything. So it's like, listen, there's a pretty crazy thing happening where they're literally trying to, they're to try to not, it's not like

there, people are like, they now they're calling for a recount. It's unconscious. You know, it's unfair. I mean, the president's like, now they all of a sudden they want to recount. It's like, they're not even talking about a fucking recount at this point. No, they're trying to count the fucking vote, the original vote, the vote count the votes. And the Republicans are like, how dare you? They're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all,

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But on the other hand, we have some balance of power. Some lever, lever, through which to do anything, to have a house hearing or anything. Yeah. And so, well, we'll get into more politics stuff with us later. But for now, there is also lots of other news we have to talk about. How do you feel about Amazon coming Amazon HQ coming to Long Island City? Well, listen, I thought Amazon was going to do if I were Amazon would have been a good week to announce putting your HQ in Pittsburgh if you asked me

But they didn't do that And I wish they had so I was looking for reasons to move back to Pittsburgh That's why you would move back good job at the warehouse at Amazon Well long Island City. I'm out of the I'm out of the fucking zone. I used to live in Greenpoint Mm-hmm Which is we were in long Island City all the time. They're adjacent to each other just over the Plaski Bridge. I loved Long Island City.

There was a version of it that I loved. It doesn't exist anymore. And if New York is Disney World, it feels like Amazon wants to buy tomorrow land and make it Amazon City. Like it feels like they just want to purchase Long Island City and make that a city about Amazon Like they're like it's close to New York. It's only 25,000 people. They just want to take over the whole area

25,000 employees 25,000 employees. I mean I Understand the arguments for and against like it would bring in billions of dollars of revenue to your city as if we need more Is there an against the against in the congestion? I don't know congestion. Right. Right Amazon barely pays any taxes. So we would bring in a ton of in the blog. It's got to bring the hammer down on them. Well, he got to get in there with his knife and fork and chop it up like a slice of pizza. And I'm saying I ate a piece of pizza with a knife

and fork the other day. And I thought it was quite nice. Action wrong with the really classes up. Your broke up. Well, we had some left of a repeat to hear at the office and it was like veggie pizzas. Oh, well that, yeah. And it was kind of like at the point where it was that I was salad on a bread. I don't have enough and so I had a microwave it. It's pretty soggy and I'm like, what am I gonna do here?

Yeah, breaking news. It was delicious. Breaking news, I fucking enjoyed the hell out of it. So yeah, I don't know, how do I feel about it? I don't have any feeling whatsoever. Can I be honest with you? I don't care. There are bigger problems than if Amazon puts ahead quarters in New York. I got much bigger shit to deal with. Yeah. I kind of in my mind, I think it'll be a net zero. I think it's not going to be net zero one of my favorite services. No, here's the deal. I mean,

yes, will some people be displaced and annoyed for sure? But I feel like that was going to hurt for no new arm. It's going to happen somewhere, but no, but look, New York is a constantly evolving monster of a city, you know? Yeah. Either get in line or get out of the way. New York becoming San Francisco is a little bit of a... I don't think New York is becoming San Francisco. New York wishes it could become San Francisco.

That's it. Well, I mean, let's just point out. You want Jack Dorsey heading home with people in your city. No, I mean let's just you want Jack Dorsey heading home with people in your city or a lot of companies Legislative San Francisco and the surrounds who are making a lot of money Same thing with New York. Yeah, okay fine, but I'm saying wouldn't wouldn't you heard a fashion and finance? Oh, please? When New York when New York love to have a Google they don't they don't have one. Well, we do it's in Chelsea No, literally have Google some third rate Google off. Well, we do. It's in Chelsea. No, literally have Google.

Some third rate Google office. No, it's very, it's actually very nice. But it's lovely, but my point is like, Google wasn't founded in New York. No, nothing was. They, they're not more than a position. We're not dangerous. I'm becoming like the Haven for horrible tech bros

to, you know, drive up rent. Sure. We have a horrible finance bros who drive up rent. So we're all set in that department. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's like, yeah, I'm not saying I don't feel for the people who long on the city,

but long on the city was fucked over a long time ago. Yeah, I mean, that's my feeling. The blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue and the blue

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I was like, this place is gonna be a nightmare in a couple of years. Yeah. Which is why I moved to Boston. It's just kidding. I don't know why I said Boston of all places. It's just like the one of the worst places. You're like, what's the racist in nearby?

What's bad? No, listen, I love you. If you're from Boston, you're great. You're good people. It's just too bad about you being from Boston. Thanks for making Amy polar, but I worry when I hold my fiance's hand on the street in Boston. And I don't normally feel that in the region.

No, but we visited for wedding. Okay, interesting. No, you know, Boston's great. I don't want to badmouth Boston because they'll come after you. Mm-hmm. The Boston interesting now you know Boston's great. I don't want bad mouth Boston because they'll they'll come after you Mm-hmm Boston people fuck you over bad. We'll mess you up. You see whitey boulder died rip, you know from Boston Boston strong heard of it. Okay, so what else are we talking about here? Oh, oh, oh Wait Really out of it. Okay, what else is the events been a long weekend a long day? No, no, no, no Elias today our COO

We were sitting in a room talking and he was like What are we talking about? I was like, oh, yeah, I've seen what a meeting I had I was like, yeah, you know last week we went in for that meeting. He's like that wasn't last week He's like that was Monday. I was like this no Wednesday. I was like there's no way there's no way that was Monday He's like, yeah, I was like he's like no. He's like, yeah, you're right. I was like, you know that the election was on Tuesday. He's like, was it? I was like, yeah, this Tuesday we had the election. I've been in this office all week and I have to say it, you guys are working a lot on

something and it is, it's, it feels like when you see flashback scenes to World War II and the nurses are running around and the arms are falling off. There's whatever. You guys are working real hard. I'll's whatever. You guys are working real hard. I'll say that. You guys are working real hard. A wild shit going on. But yeah, so anyhow, no, it's been a long week and I feel like there's some tech stuff

that I wanted to bitch about, but I can't think of what it is right now. What tech stuff? I don't know. I'm about to think about buying a new lens for my Micro 4 Thirds camera. There's this like weird Chinese lens that's on Master Opera. Oh, this is such a dirty. This is so good. Good, but I'm going to say it anyhow. There's this like weird Chinese lens. It's on master upright. Oh, this is such a dirty. This is so good

But I'm gonna say it anyhow It's called the Camelan 50 millimeter f11 aps c prime lens for mirrorless. Wow. I'm not promoting it Catchy title. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna buy it right now. Oh God. How long I'd do it? I'm enjoying it one day left. I'm doing it in the meantime Ariana Grande is back with her breakup anthem. Thank you, Nick. Can I say something? Her, her first number one, who cares?

Who cares homosexuals? I love whatever. There's going to be another Ariana Grande that comes along. Yeah. Well, what about Lady Gaga? This, well, what ever happened to her. We have our, have our, our stable, but I'll say this for people who live through Kevin, Federline, it's really nice to watch Ariana Grande deal with Pete Davidson so

effectively. Does anybody remember when Ariana Grande had that huge scandal when she went in and licked the doughnut? Oh, all the time. I mean, I think about it. I hate America. I hate America. Yes, licked the doughnut.

Yes. What was she talking about? She was so high. Yeah, she was high. It must be great to be that high and that rich. Do I want this? Do I want this lens? Do I need it?

I guess. You don't need any of this stuff. You're right, I don't. I literally want to come visit your house so I can go through your old car bed. I just want to pick through your tech compass. You're going to do, you're going to come to my house. And we're going to go through all of the boxes and bins.

I'm going to come thanksgiving weekend. That's what I'm going to do. Don't come thanksgiving weekend. We're going to have 31 people there. Oh, you do? Yes, it's going to be. Oh, that weekend? Well, I don't come Thanksgiving weekend. That's what I'm gonna do. Don't come thanks to me again. We have 31 people there. Oh, you do? Yes. It's gonna be, oh, that weekend? Well, I don't know.

Whatever. I currently have no Thanksgiving plans because my grandma's dying and my whole family has canceled everything. So my mom was like, could you watch the dog? And I texted a friend like, hey, I don't know anything's giving plans so you're gonna be in town

and she was like, I'm eating Chinese my grandma's second. I was like, we can get together and have our grandmas are dying, Borkies. I think we're gonna have to, I really have to get the beautiful sad trombone sound, soundboard for the, if this keeps going in this direction. Listen, I would invite you. No, I don't want to go to someone else's 31 person thing. No, you're just giving me, I literally think I'm good.

Literally is no possibility of any anybody else. I think I'm good. Okay, fine. You did a good time my birthday. I did and I would come on Saturday, where I'll come for Friday, for my personal lovers. My parents will love it. But I am not coming to a 31 person.

I think what else is going on in the world? Spice girls are back. Not interested. Next. Thank you, next. I had to do a little promo. I'm sorry. You know, it's fine.

We get it. You're out of money. No, they're not. They're rich. They're just still. Melby, you spend all her money. Friendship never ends. Yes, it's fine. We get it. You're out of money. No, they're not. You spend all your money. They're rich. They're just still paying. They'll be spent all her money. Friendship never ends.

Yes, it does. It ended for 25 fucking years. How dare you. And now all the friends are out of money. No, I guess I could say to be on a call. I want the listeners of this podcast to do a go-fond me to send me the UK so I can see them. I do not want that.

How dare you. I forbid that. Okay. Tucker Carlson had protesters outside his house and he threw a shit fit. You know, here's what I have to say about Tucker Carlson had protesters outside his house and he threw a shit fit. You know, here's what I have to say about Tucker Carlson. Who fucking cares about you? You're the worst.

You spend your entire career shitting on people. That's the thing. Now hold on. You ruined people's lives. I will say I don't know sympathy. I don't think you should go to somebody's house and break through door. I have no sympathy at this point. No, I don't.

I will say this. Shocking on. Well, the problem. Kill his dog. I don't give a shit. No, don't, the listen to Ryan, Ryan saying horrible things right now. Don't let you dog. I'm joking.

Don't kill this. This is satire. Listen, I don't think you should go to Tucker Carlson's house. Okay. I think you should, you should go everywhere else, Tucker Carlson is and make him feel very unwanted and unloved, which he is. But, but his wife, I mean, she didn't marry a monster.

Stay, stay two yards away. To her away to her, to her family legal sidewalk. In defense of her people who harassed his family, which is a very scary, bad place to be, his wife did marry a monster who sucks. Uh, and profits from it. Their kids don't deserve this. Do they have kids? Is he capable of having children? I don't know. At any rate, he can summon them. Can a monster help?

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Kid of devil procreate. But the, here's the thing. Tiger Carlson is, don't waste your time in Tiger Carlson. He's an American horse. He's a character. He's a, he is a, uh, he's a patriot. Number one, patriot horror story. More like, you know what I'm saying? Um, he's a monster. A real American. A real,. It's right. Like freedom fries. You raise your horror with a side of freedom fries. But any other point is fuck him,

but don't go to his house. You know why? Because here's why. We'll get in trouble. Well, no, you already have this narrative from Trump about antifa. Antifa. Antifa.

And bad people and good people on both sides. Yeah, you already have a narrative So you're saying when they go low we should go high no, I'm saying we should be we should be much sneakier and quieter I'm saying you shouldn't it's like darker carol since the wrong person's house to go to I guess Ruth Bader Ginsburg Cracken ribs nightmare, you know Brandy Jenson our social, actually I should say, associate out of there now.

She also does some of our social stuff. Brandy Jensen, who's a wonderful writer and great thinker, tweeted, and I was going to retweet it, but then I was like, no, Josh, don't do this because you're just going to, it's going to be a nightmare for you. That, you know, she was very concerned about Ruth Bader Ginsburg, wishes her, well, once her speed speed recovery, but she should have retired under Obama. And I have to say when you think about,

while you're speaking, 100%. I actually think when I think about it, it's like, yeah, actually, she was pretty fucking old for, she's been trying a lot for a long time. I'll say this to you see the documentary of her. I saw parts of it. She seems very extremely dedicated, like in full denial that she will ever age.

She loves her job. She does not want to give it up. Look, she's awesome. She's the best, but she is going to die. Yeah. And then Trump's gonna replace her with a, he's going to find it. He's going to find it.

I'm just wondering, it makes Kavada look like a choir boy. It's gonna make gorsuches opinions about Matt Whitaker. About Supreme Court Justice Matt Whitaker. No, oh, we should be so lucky. Supreme Court Justice Matt Whitaker. About Supreme Court Justice Matt Whitaker. No, oh, we should be so lucky Supreme Court Justice Matt Whitaker. It's gonna be like Supreme Court Justice fucking Matt Whitaker, by the way, looks like Kring. It's like, it's like who's the guy on Fox and Friends that he likes?

Steve, Steve, Steve, doosey. Yes, Supreme Court Justice, Steve Doosey. So that's gonna be, okay. That's the shit that we're gonna be talking about. I'm now under the table and the podcast booth. You don't even understand how bad you are. You don't even understand how bad it could be bad. You live in a dream world here.

You like you should be thanking God. You got it. Only as bad as Kavada. How do you feel about Nancy Pelosi calling for bipartisan ship and working with Republicans? Well, I tweeted about it and everybody was like, this is all a smoke screen. It's subterfuge. It's whatever. And it's like, like, this is all a smokescreen, it's subterfugia, it's whatever. And it's like, yeah, I don't know, maybe it is.

And maybe I do trust her strategically evil mind of Jedi mind tricks and a puppetry. I do, I do actually believe in that. I'm not a neo-leg, but let me tell you the fun. Let me tell you the fun. I do believe Nancy Pelosi is an evil mastermind. Let me tell you the fundamental problem with the Democrats. I don't know how

I'm gonna go to Chappell for you here. Oh, no. This really isn't about like your, I don't know your red scare kids. I said about politics actually. Get your sailor moon out. This isn't about politics. Okay. This is actually about strategy. Here's the problem with the Democrats and this is always you've diagnosed it. Here's always the fucking problem. Cory Buckert, a revolution of love. The Democrats don't know how to do a finishing move, okay, in moral combat, 100. They don't know the finishing moves. They don't know how to rip out someone's spine. They don't, you need to fucking kill your opponent.

Yeah, you know what the, you know what the Republicans are doing? You know what they're interested. Only finishing move. They're, they're what they're interested in finishing their, their interests. They're only like they're interested in using their, they're interested in using every dirty trick that they can figure out and find to kill you. They don't want the Democrats. They don't want to reach across the aisle to you. No, they're not your fucking friend. Only to punch. They want you gone and

they want their whatever weird death called fascist rule for as long as humanly possible. That's really the truth. That's why they get behind Donald Trump. And Hillary Clinton said this, I saw her speak at the Code Conference. And this is the, of all the things she said, I thought her performance is actually pretty bad there. And she says, it's really dumb shit. She said, Democrats fall in love or Republicans fall in line.

True. And it is true. It's the burning thing. Yeah. It's like, you loved burning. You're so mad. But here's what you know, Republicans do. They go, whoever we need to follow, to crush our enemies. We will Mitch McConnell,

Banty Christ, whatever. Mitch McConnell, whoever you want, however you want it, however many times a night you need it, I mean, the interviews with cruise voters, I have literally not seen a single interview with someone who was like, I love Ted Cruz. I'm really happy. I liked him. Every single one said, he's a Republican and he, you know, he's had the job and, and Trump told me to, I just support the president.

You hold your nose. You know, vote for the opponent. You hold your nose and vote for the person that is on your, on your, literally, they voted for Cruz because Trump literally told them. So, so, so, so, let me, so, let me, let me explain the situation here, okay? The Democrats. Now, what is interesting is that I believe it is in actually the best parts of the nature of that party is to have, is to have a, is to be kinder, is to be better, is to actually have a, to hope for the best in people, is to expect the best in people. Actually, the reason why some, some, many policies in the, in the, in the democratic policies, not all of them, a lot of them are bad, but a lot of them are really fucking good.

There are more good than bad, in my opinion. In the democratic party in this country for as long as I've been alive and passed and wait earlier than that, has had a more obviously progressive and open minded strategy. And part of what makes them so susceptible to the Republicans

shit is that they think people will be better. And that's really sweet and endearing. But that time is over. Yeah. You need to finish them. Okay. You need to put the herbs. I'm not saying actually kill. I'm not saying kill them. I'm not saying don't. But that's who they are. I'm not saying don't. King is a fucking Nazi. He needs to go. Who is he representing, but his own interests? I mean, honestly, so what I'm saying is like, these people are, what they, what the Democrats always failed to understand is that they're,

one thing I thought was interesting about Obama, when the race stuff started coming up when he was running, he actually confronted it had on. He was like, very real. He had, I think he had a press conference. And he was like. He actually confronted it head on. He was like very real. He had, I think he had a press conference. And he was like, we got to talk about this stuff because it's a real thing. And it's a rot in America and it's causing division.

And people were like, wow, like, whoa, that's a fucking bull move. He took it head on. When John Kerry was running and they were like, you didn't really do this in Vietnam, you didn't do that. You know, people who, you know, running against a guy who was a, a, a's a complete flunky in the Air Force or whatever, like, you know, he was like, I'm not going to talk about it. I'm not going to address it. I'm not going to, you know, you can't handle these people

with kick gloves. By the way, I'm just saying the GOP, the people who run the GOP, The GOP, the people who run the GOP, do not, they will kill you. They will kill you spiritually, they will kill you physically, they will kill you. They will put your children in cages. Exactly. Politically, they don't care. They have one goal, to win and be in power. And the Democrats. They invented a caravan to do this.

What the Democrats don't understand is that they keep going back to, to his like they keep reaching out their hands and their hand is chopped off and they're like well there's another guy over here with a hand just reach out your hand and it's like i'm sorry no quarter no quarter for the republicans until they can come up with a with a set of policies that uh actually take into account all of america There are policies only serve a minority of Americans, and even those Americans are being fucked over by the Republicans. Yeah. They don't realize it.

So that's my message for the day, which is learn the finishing moves in Mortal Kombat, Nancy Pelosi, get fucking sub-zero all the way, whatever, play until you learn how to do scorpions thing with the Brie Rips out the spine. Well, on that note, we can go to my interview with Celeste. Josh is not a part of, but I still think it's sparkling.

And if you're interested in politics, and if you're listening to this podcast at this point, you're interested in politics. So pop on over. It's a great interview. I'm sad that I couldn't participate. And, you know, I think, but I think when all is said and done, you know, you got, but I think when all is said and done, you know, you gotta choose your battles. Like the Democrats need to choose their battle. And like I need to choose my missions in Red Dead Redemption 2.

Wow, I really need it. I really need to get a mission at all. And we're back. It's just Ryan here. Josh had to step out for a two minute emergency, but I'll be chatting with Celeste Katz, who is a senior political reporter at Glamour, and the host of Driving Forces at WBAI. Hi Celeste. Hi Ryan, I'm so happy to see you.

I'm so happy to see you. After a tumultuous political environment, what a great face to come to. I'm glad you're out with that all of it. Thank you. So how are you feeling post-mentary exhausted? Yeah, it's a little beyond. I'm post-post-exhausted, but some exciting stuff going on.

So I'm glad to be here to talk about it. Yeah, I mean, I went to a fundraiser the night of the election for a fight for a better America and got really drunk. And I didn't know how to feel because the race, the two things I wanted coming out of this was a rork or Abrams. I thought like Gillum was a real toss-up. And I didn't know that we would get it. We don't know how the Abrams thing is going quite yet. But the a work stuff and the Gillum stuff seems to go like they conceded

night of. So I walked out thinking what a disaster. We're all fucked. Boa, blah. We won some like, there was a great rainbow wave of LGBTQ politicians and there were a lot of women were took office, but I felt really shitty about it. But the next day a lot of people made me feel better saying like with control of the house, Adam Schiff being able to like do investigations or something, I felt like, okay, the Democrats having control of the house is some kind of check on the Trump administration. It's something we can stop like his policy agenda. But everything I've heard from everybody is that this is a B plus year, which is surprising to me because if there was gonna be

energy in the anti-Trump pro progressive wing of politics, wouldn't it have been this year? Like, I guess because of voter suppression and stuff, it just makes it such a hard leap to take. Would you give the night a B-plus? Well, I think that I definitely give an A-plus for you going on getting hammered on election. I think that is I did not get to that.

It was a powerful bold move. I got to stay up all night writing about a lot of these contests. I think that if you're positioned is that you feel like you wanted more, you didn't get everything that you wanted. Look, I can understand that. And I do think that people had super high hopes. Look, I can see how some people who really wanted to see a lot of the energy translated from some of these movements that we've seen end up coming out

in real time in real life. I'm in the park with the poll. I'm in the park with the poll. I really wanted to see some sort of like sea change. And I know that it has to do with voter suppression and that passing, like the prop that has granted access to like millions of voters who had felony convictions and weren't

able to vote in Florida, will translate in the future. And so that's a great thing. But it was just tough to watch, especially knowing that I know Georgia isn't Florida, but that whole region has had such a push for voter infrancization. And to know that it didn't translate, I think it is disappointing. It's dishearteningening like you just said. Well, you look at, you know, in some of these cases, if you are supporting progressive candidates

or you wanted to see some change, first of all, you got to remember, on balance, you are picking up control of the House of Representatives, which is not nothing. Right, which is a lot, which is a lot. Now, does it change the course of human events in every single way? No, are the Republicans still have the Senate?

And in fact, they had a couple of pickups in the Senate, still waiting on some races there. But you do have at least, I think, as of right now, about a net 30-seat gain for Democrats in the House. You have a lot of new progressives coming in that will impede in a lot of ways. There were publicans and President Trump's ability to get through a lot of stuff that they want to do that progressives don't like. So I don't think the whole thing is a loss. Now, the

other thing I would also add is that in terms of saying whether this was a complete victory or kind of a bummer, a lot of the people that did not win the progressives that you might have been watching, that you wanted to see when we're running incredibly hard races, it's super hard to be a democratic challenger in some of these traditionally red Southern states. You did see some people doing real well. You did see a couple of surprises. The fact that we were talking about voter suppression in Georgia, where the

Republican nominee for governor was also the guy running the election. The same was true in Kansas, which is a very red state. And that guy, Chris Kobach, lost to a Democrat, woman named Laura Kelly. So you did have cases where the tradition didn't hold up and people were able to break the mold. You had a lot of women making history. You have the first Palestinian American and first Somali American Muslim women going to Congress.

You have two new members of Congress who are Native American women and governorships. We picked up a ton of governorships. You know, governorships absolutely. You have people, you have people breaking a record breaking year for women in a lot of ways. Now, did all of them win? No, absolutely not. And we can't trust white women. Well, that's... Progressive scandals. Well, I mean, look, I mean, that's interesting because I was, and I have a story coming out, very soon on glamour.com, forward slash midterms. I hate for, but not just getting, but shameless, shameless, but I do actually, I am looking at

some of the breakouts and you do see women trending much more to the left supporting more Democratic candidates. There's been some talk about whether white women, whether you want to trust them or not, whatever you want to say about that, I'll leave that bit to you, but not necessarily going with Republican candidates. This whole thing, this whole election is a referendum on President Trump in a lot of ways, not just about the people on the ballot. So if you wanna look at a 30, potentially,

plus seat gain in the House as saying some, by Democrats, saying something about President Trump, you can interpret that as you want. I loved his press conference where he was talking about the people who wouldn't embrace him. They weren't embracing him. That was a very odd choice in language.

Yeah, me a love, I believe. For example, from Utah, Barbara Comstock, I think was in there from Virginia. I'm not sure what embracing, presumably he means figuratively, but the idea of the president getting out there and sort of being flippant about members of his own party who lost elections and making that kind of a laugh line. He's very interesting. And also, just fits into this whole, do you follow Darth? Yeah. Okay. So Darth, who by the way, just fits into this whole do you follow d'arth yeah so d'arth who by

the way just went into hibernation so for everybody listening out there I if you like d'arth and I like d'arth you know puppy photos and everything are important he will be back god you know god willing but one of d'arth's classic things is like how can I make this about me talking about Trump? So the fact that he wanted to make people like, you know, even his own party women in his own party losing about not You know being close enough to him embracing him is Interesting. I will so

Having the house now Nancy Pelosi obviously newly empowered. I watched her statement. There was a lot said, especially in the lefty progressive side that she was talking about by partisanship. But the thing I always think with Nancy Pelosi is she says things for strategic reasons. I do actually think her and Chuck Schumer are incredibly strategic. They're able to whip votes and pull things off that we would never believe they were able to get meetings with Trump and concessions from him

and changes mind on things. That was like the Jedi mind tricks they were using in order to get in with him. Do you think that was a strategic choice as a message directly to Trump himself or do you think? Because I don't, a lot of people were like, oh, you're gonna be bipartisan, so that means we're all pushing middle,

which is the thing that everyone thinks is the problem with Democrats. But I do think that that was a speech for one person. It was just for Trump to hear that like take meetings with us so that I can get in your head and hopefully like get you to like we could do an infrastructure bill and you'll have to whip your Republicans. But like that is an opportunity that like we I would actually be happy if if Trump passed infrastructure legislation that the Democrats could collaborate on.

Did you feel like that was a speech from one or do you think that that's like Nancy Pelosi playing politics of another era? Well, I think that everybody in politics is super calculated, super calibrated. I think that people say certain things at certain times descend a certain message for a certain reason. And I don't think that Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer or for that matter, you know, Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan. I mean, this is this is what they do. And as much as I love and adore House of Cards and I do love and adore say House of Heart, you know, in the end, this is this is not a game. This is about getting stuff done for the people who voted these officials into high office. And sometimes they got to work together

and everybody wants it all their way. Well, you know what, sorry. I hate to break it to you, but you know, this here's a, you know, in a stunning development, you can't always have it your way every single time. Now, the question for me is, are we going to see any sort of more pragmatic politics? Are we going to see people looking while we're still looking at really hot button stuff

like immigration or at an international trade? There's stuff that everybody needs at once that's totally reasonable for Democrats and Republicans to work together on infrastructure, fix the roads, fix the highways. How is that a democratic or a Republican issue? That's sort of like the class. I mean, Crump would get to, could brag about job numbers if he was able to put, put through an infrastructure package and like,

honestly, I would let him have that brag if it meant we could fix the problem. Well, right, I mean, the thing is, if it makes your, if you're so hard partisan that you refuse to cooperate on something that would make your life, and especially more importantly, the lives of the people you represent better, just to make a political point or just to look like a tough guy or a tough girl, are you doing your job? I'm not sure that you are. And look, nobody wants to, nobody necessarily wants the optics. Say you're a super progressive Democrat, right?

Do you really want to have that photo all over Twitter of President Trump handing you that panty, just sign the bill with them? I mean, do you want to be in that picture? You might be like, nah, I'm washing my hair tonight. I can't deal. But if it's going to help out the people who elected you, like legitimately, if it's going to be more money for schools, if it's going to be a better healthcare opportunities, a lower prescription drug prices, okay, you know what? Maybe you don't love standing there, like smiling for the camera with with the president who also

supports policies that you freaking can't stand. Yeah. But people do make these practical choices. The question is, are they going to, well, first of all, the question is, who's going to be running, who's going to be running the show on the Democrat side? And how much are they going to be willing to compromise? Because if we just end up with two years of gridlock, who does that help? Yeah, and I actually don't think that that speaks well to the Democrats' message of, like, we'll get stuff done for you,

and they didn't get anything done. Like, if Democrats come in and then it's gridlock, then the message on the Republican side is, look what they did. They gridlocked everything, and people won't look at the reasons why they gridlocked. They'll just look at the fact that there was gridlock. Like, the net results for people,

like kitchen table issues. Well, sure. And I mean, really, if you think about it in a way, if that happens, that's a built in win for Donald Trump. Because now he doesn't control both houses of Congress, and he can say, well, I tried to lower your taxes. I tried to give you better roads. I tried to give you better schools,

but I am the sky thing, but didn't. But you know, those Democrats, all they cared about was obstructing me and, you know, resisting and all these sort of catchphrases that you hear all the time. And this is something that's gone on. I mean, I covered politics here in New York state for a very long time. And that was also, it works on a state level. It works on a local level. I would have done

this for you, except those other guys, they didn't have your best interest at heart. And they, you know, gummed up the whole works. It's not my fault. But maybe if you reelect me and more people from my party, we'll all get along and everything will be dope. Paid for it by friends of Ryan and but you know what I mean. So in a way, it's almost sad, it's not good for people, but it might be politically advantageous for Donald Trump. If we all get stuck going in a circle

and just fighting for the next two years, that might be awesome for him. Well, in, in, in terms, wasn't the only huge news that broke. We quickly moved on to other Trump administration, Mishagas, I'll say. So Jeff Sessions, in the wake of the midterm elections, wasn't fired, he was asked to resign,

which is an adorable way to say fired. Do you think, what does this mean for the Mueller investigation? Do you think, like, because Matt Whitaker taking over, he's someone who's astonishingly opposed to the Mueller investigation. He published a piece on CNN saying that it went too far. Obviously, there was reports that him and Donald Trump hang out in the Oval Office all the time, which is very unusual and odd. It seems kind of like the fixes in from that perspective.

Do you think that Democrats taking control of the House, plus plus the sessions think what happens with the Mueller investigation from here? Do you think it can continue to move forward or do you think we're going to see things hit his funding will get cut and slowly they'll try to peter out and starve this investigation? I think that's another place where it matters that Democrats have made gains in Congress. I think that the level of congressional oversight, the ability to issue subpoenas, the ability to force people to testify or explain that they refuse to testify, that they refuse to hand over. Like if they fire Mueller, he'll have to testify. Like they'll have to be hearing about that,

right? I mean, there, there's a lot that Democrats can do from starting out as soon as everybody's sworn in and say, okay, Mr. President, how about those tax returns? And he can give everybody a story about why it isn't wanna release the tax returns. But even the mere fact of having to answer those questions, the mere fact of being able to be in the chairmanship or the chairwomen's ship of these really important committees like oversight.

It really matters. It really matters. Now again, is this, can I predict? Please do. No, where's the crystal ball? Forget it. And the fact that the Democrats are now empowered at least to be in control of these kinds of inquiries is really important. Now does it, does it mean that we are headed towards impeachment? Does it mean that people are going to be like, you know,

having these sort of like cartoon character, like black and white striped things with like a big ball and chain, break and rocks. You know, you guys break this down, but you know, it's like, right? Rosie O'Donnell tweeting at Don Junior, Dine Prison stuff. All right. I mean, it's okay.

Does it mean that all those things are gonna fall into place and that we are gonna see this gigantic, you know, burn it all down scenario going on. I don't think so. And we're not going to see it right away. But at the same time, there is a new level of empowerment, or there will be when the new Congress comes in, to confront the president and his administration on those kinds of issues, beyond the Mueller investigation as well. There are a lot of questions, for example, you've heard of the emoluments clause

and about a lot of people have a lot of questions about whether the president is benefiting directly or indirectly from being in office or his family business is as a result of owning hotels and properties and being able to negotiate trade deals and all this stuff, those are kinds of things that people can look into as well. There are questions that were not being asked or were there are questions that were not being asked or were being asked and ignored that probably can't be ignored anymore.

I think that's a big deal. So you cover all of this for clamor. You worked previously at the Daily News and you've covered politics for a while, but you're now covering it for a magazine that is specifically for an audience of women or femme presenting people. I've written for Teen Vogue, I've written political stuff for Teen Vogue.

The idea that politics is a core issue for women that is being covered in these places is somehow both new, but it's also like white hot. That teen vogue is so political is a constant thing that people are joking about. That glamour has pivoted and it's discussing politics. Even though I think that those outlets were discussing politics. There is a new light shining where people are aware of it. Do you think that that coverage, being able to cover it in really hard terms and talk

really seriously about these issues in these places and get attention from mainstream media, do you think that that has activated young women at the polls and politically? Because I feel like I hear so much from younger women that they care about politics. Whenever I see someone that says something like comments on Reddit about the new Sabrina series, people are like, oh, why Sabrina is social justice worry? And the response is everything's political. Why would you think a young woman with magical powers wouldn't have political viewpoints? It seems sort of silly, especially talking to someone who's covered politics in a really hard sense. But to young people, it does translate to going

out and voting. It does translate to being involved. What did your readership like and what has your experience been like? Do you feel like you write for that audience? Do you feel you're just doing the politics or anything you were doing and you're able to do it in a new venue? Well, I certainly think that I cover politics differently for glamour now than I did for, as you say, I worked for the New York Daily News for a very long time. I worked for Newsweek, covering politics there and so on. I also covering it in a different way than I cover it now. We do have a very specific focus on women, say women in power, women as candidates, women as voters, women as change

makers and decision makers and so on. But the sort of siloing of, let's write about lady issues for a lady magazine, because women don't care about, women care about jobs, women care about the economy, they care about schools, they care about, as you say, if it's social justice issues or voter suppression or the Me Too of Movement or whatever, these things are not siled.

This, reaching them through this particular vector is just a different way for me. And I think, hopefully, an important way to reach an audience that cares about these things that makes up, that votes at higher rates than men traditionally in midterms like the one we just saw, for example, is politically engaged, but also to speak to a new generation of people that are super, super energized. I mean, if you look at, say like the young women in Parkland

or if you look at the people who were at the women's march and so on, look, political activism among women isn't new. And I heard somewhere that they've been letting ladies vote for almost 100 years, something like, I don't know, I think I saw like a I mean, let the gals go to the polls. Yeah, you know, it's like this, this, this whole like girls and politics thing kind of interesting,

but I think that you really see women out there now engaged as voters, engaged as candidates, and you know, being taken very seriously on both counts because they are a force. Now, is representation among women in government equal to the population? It is not. That's something that's going to take time to change. But you saw, you're seeing a level of engagement right now that makes it impossible to ignore, that makes it notable. And so the kind of stuff that I'm documenting

is very, very much related to not just, you know, sort of women marching and women being, women having disputes at home between like, you know, within their family, like, I feel this way and my husband feels that way. So I guess I'll just stay home like it nah Yeah, just you know nah Do you you are on the ground for a woman candidate who recently won? Yeah, so one of the things that we did during our midterm coverage at glamour was they sent me out to Nevada

Which is a very interesting state for a lot of reasons. It's a battleground state, it's a purple state. Elected a ghost pimpe. Yeah, you know, very weird. It's, that's all, you can have a whole show about it. You're gonna show on that. We should do a special spin off episode. But the ghost pimple, my God. That is, yeah, that was.

In the party of family values, apparently, the Evangelical party, whatever. I mean, we hate Stormy Daniel of family values, apparently, the evangelical party. Whatever. I mean, we hate Stormy Daniels. We've liked it. The ghost film. I didn't. As separate episode as much as I would have perhaps found it interesting to go and cover that race. I actually went out there to cover different race. It went out there to cover a woman named Jackie Rosen. She's a Congresswoman from Nevada. First term congresswoman, they're in Nevada. And she challenged Senator Dean Heller, who was the only Republican Senator defending his seat in a state that Hillary Clinton won in 2016.

And she won. And it was super interesting to sit there. I went out and followed her around on the trail, but also talked to her volunteers, talked to some of her supporters and her staff members, but also a lot of celebrities, not just on the political side. I mean, this was a big ticket race. You had Trump out there. You had Vice President Pence out there. You had President Obama, Vice President Biden, did a segment just talking to America for era, for example, who is not new to activism, but who is out there trying to get people to

anything. I mean, it is a celebrity tied state. Like, it's not, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, gonna start off, Georgia is an extremely, extremely involved place when it comes to the entertainment industry. So, let's start there. Right. And two, but you're speaking, like these are private citizens as well with the power to like speak however they want. But Nevada was a place that it's always very interesting because it is, yeah, you're right. There's just two parts of it.

There is a super correct progressive part of it, and there's a part of it that is more conservative. And that mix ends up with a very like purply representation, but do you feel like Jackie Rosen being a woman? I wish that it didn't matter, but it does obviously matter to voters. Do you think that that activated people or do you think that was a turnoff for people? Like what did you see as a response to her? I think that, you know, I always hated this answer in college when I would say,

well, do you think it's more a social issue or more a political issue? Yeah, because this isn't it. It's a little bit of both. It's always a little bit of both. So yeah, I mean, it does look, she was, she was certainly not shy about talking about, you know, being a woman and talking about women's issues, although I talked to Gretchen Whitmer, who was from Michigan, and we were talking about running as a woman, and she's like, what else am I supposed to run as? She wasn't saying that to me, but she was always like, you get this question, and you're like, what do you want me to tell you? But look, she did confront Heller on issues about me, too.

Certainly, the whole issue with the Supreme Court confirmation was on people's minds. Was it the only thing? I mean, of course not. Certainly, Nevada has this, you know, a big population clustered right around Las Vegas. And then there are Northern and Western parts of the state that are very different just the same way here, you know, you might see some differences in the electorate here. I mean, even NASA to Suffolk let alone upstate to Manhattan. Exactly. Exactly. So, you know, you did have some variations there. It was it was not necessarily an easy thing because knocking out a republicutl- excuse me, an incumbent of any party is often hard. She did not have a very long record in government to work on so she could say, I did this, this, this, and that. The Republicans were very, very anxious to hold

on to the Senate majority so this was a big deal of a race. But she raised a ton of money. There is a growing, a large and growing Latino population out there that they were trying very hard to mobilize. Also, if you look at the casinos up and down the strip, this is a big entertainment capital. A lot of those workers are unionized. And so getting out unions traditionally, very good at organizing, at getting out the vote, getting people to vote. I think that made a difference as well. And so a lot of stuff. I know it sounds a little silly and superfluous, but with like Lady Gaga and Britney Spears

being massive parts of the Las Vegas economy at this point, like those casinos, not only were they breaking money beforehand, but now that it is becoming an entertainment capital in a different sense, it is in the way that Georgia and film production being such a big part of their economy all of a sudden, it will, I do think that that does push politics and it's an easy thing to make fun of. It's easy to say, like, well, the Hunger Games Sean here's who now you're going to be a blue state. But at the end of the day, those unions

and their interests are a massive, I mean, in New York we saw it with teachers unions where teachers unions coming together has actually really activated local grassroots politics in a way, I mean, that's where Cynthia Nixon came up from in a way that I think has longer term effects in other parts of the political landscape, I guess. Yeah, I think that's an interesting point.

And look, it doesn't always, it does not always work. For example, someone to wonder. No, well, I mean, just saying, for example, like celebrity intervention doesn't always work. I mean, if it was Katy Perry would have selected the 2016, would have been the president of the United States. But for example, you only have to look back and Republicans are certainly super excited

to make comments about this. But if you look at 2016 and Hillary Clinton at Beyonce J.Z. And saying, well, they had Beyonce and J.Z. But I won because that's sort of thing. Oh, like for the P.O. is a celebrity on his own, second, and second. A big part of why. For the, he is a celebrity on his own second. For the, and second. A big part of why he won the election.

A wolf no cushion. All I will repeat this to the day I die I think that reality TV is extremely important and under-analyzed. And the idea that Americans thought of Donald Trump as a successful business person was because of the Jeff Zucker NBC marketing team that put that image out there

with a ton of investment in money, created a set, created a script to make him seem more successful and more competent than his record would have shown. And that created a new character for Trump and people's minds. And that's part of what wrote him to office. But I will say, you know, looking at, I mean, I guess this is just because it's my hobby horse, but you see someone like Taylor Swift really turned out voter, actual like voter registrations in Tennessee, didn't necessarily translate to wins there, but it did translate

to activating a bunch of young people. Yeah, I guess there's just a larger discussion and I guess it's interesting to me because some a magazine like Glamour or similar can engage people in narratives using celebrity stories and their personal views and stuff in a way that I guess was taboo. There was a time when they were asking Britney Spears her political opinions and she said we just have to trust the president and chew her gum. And we're in a different world now, a different culture for young people because of the internet.

Well, I think a couple of things going on there for one thing. Absolutely, there was a time when people expected celebrities to do their, you know, to make with the funny or sing their song or do their dance and not get involved in some of that. And you do see still some of that backlash. Even now, for example, when I went out to Las Vegas, I spoke to a young woman who was a Republican and was supporting Dean Heller. And she specifically mentioned that she was not watching NFL. She was not watching football because she was so angry about the protests and her thing was, look, you have a great platform.

You are a public figure. Kids look up to you. Go volunteer at a hospital or a church or a food drive or whatever. Why are you engaging in political activity? There may have been in the past, certainly some people that were afraid to alienate fans because, say, somebody like Taylor Swift, for example, has fans.

Millions and millions and millions of fans, not all of them are progressive Democrats, not all of them are young. I mean, she came up through country, which exactly. Yeah. Okay. In Tennessee, right? And in the end, look, it is great. It is always, always, always, always great when people are able to use the power of their

platform to get people to vote. But in the end, she had encouraged people to support the Democratic candidate. And the Democratic candidate for Senate there did not win. Marsha Blackburn will be the first woman, as a matter of fact, to represent Tennessee in the United States Senate. So there is not always this sort of cause and effect. And even if it did drive people to get interested in the race to start reading about it, to start talking about it, maybe somebody who wasn't old enough to vote or wasn't registered to vote spoke to somebody else

who could and did. Okay, so there, there, there is some sort of ripple effect there. But in the end, it's not sort of like, you know, I'm Taylor Swift and I encourage you to get out vote today for. I mean, there was those stories that were like Oprah, Picked Obama, and that's why he won. And I mean, that kind of stuff has always been true. I did not write that. I did. No, no.

Okay. So if you're looking for somebody to pin that on, wasn't it? So, but if people can, if people can, if people look at celebrities as a way to get interested who might not otherwise be interested in, okay fine. But in the end, they self to get out and vote. And if people registered, but they didn't vote, who knows? Maybe they registered and voted for the other guy. Maybe, you know,

these things can be double-edged, but the idea that more people participated, and frankly, participation couldn't have sucked probably any worse than it was in 2014 in the midterms when it was just... It bismill. It was, yeah, like, historically, historically crappy. Which is funny to me because I lived in Australia and voting there is mandatory. Yeah. And it's illegal not to vote, which makes for a very different way. And I mean, there's less money in politics too. So it's a very different landscape.

It is so random that you mention that because I literally, literally just did. I do a lot of, since about 2007, I've been doing updates for Australia and broadcast incorporation radio. And I just did an interview where the presenter said, you know, one of the things that really perplexes us in Australia is how involved political figures are in running elections. We were talking specifically about Georgia, but she. I mean, Jerry Mandering is a bizarre idea.

But even just like deciding what poll sites are going to be open and closed, what the hours are counting the votes. If you have somebody overseeing an election that is a partisan person, B is a candidate for office, that to, to, like, people elsewhere in the world is kind of zany. And you can kind of see why. Yeah. Pivoting a little bit. I actually did want to talk to you as a political reporter.

Do you saw all the stuff at Jim Acosta at the last? Obviously, it is. I've heard things on both sides of people saying Jim has always been a little too outspoken, a little too preachy or whatever. I've heard like the Twitter chatter of that. But I've also seen a circling of wagons of the media saying we can't, the idea that we're going to knock press out on as personal vendetta's or because we don't like the questions they

ask is really troubling. Do you feel as a political journalist, especially in the environment we're in where Trump calling for violence against journalists in like thinly veiled ways? Do you actually feel when you go to places on the ground and people find out that you're a journalist, do you feel that blowback in a way that you didn't before? Do you feel like your job is under threat or your position in the country as someone practicing freedom of the press every single day to have you felt any telling effects? I think that you see it a lot, for example, on social media.

And it is very easy to amplify some mean tweet, the calling you fake news, or even, you know, being scary threatening you or making unkind observations about your parent age or your appearance or something like that. You know, it's maybe that's like one crank, but people do get swarmed. Okay, and that is something that makes people uncomfortable. I covered a lot of Trump rallies in 2016 and when he wasn't the president at the time,

but he was a candidate that was drawing a huge arena crowds when he starts mocking people and 5,000 people turn around and look at you like you're scum like you're something they just pray for. It's a Twitter mob in real life. In real life. I mean, for example, you know, you have people holding up these signs at rallies for the first time that I can remember. When I went to these rallies, they have the first time that I can remember when I went to

these rallies, they have the signs facing him that say like Trump pants 2020 or make America great. You know, there's stuff written on the back of those signs that's facing towards the reporters in the pen. And it doesn't say Trump 2020. It says fake news, CNN sucks, you know, all sorts of stuff like that. So there is, there is that element. Now I will tell you at the same time, the very same, I had a personal

experience at one rally in Denver where a woman was walking past the pen and she says, stop lying. I'm in the reporter's area. She goes, stop lying, stop lying. And I stood up and I walked over to her and I said, what do you think I'm lying about? Talked to that woman for probably an hour. She introduced me to her daughter. We had a perfectly civil, interesting, informative conversation. We shook hands and that was it.

I have had many people at Trump rallies who you walk up to them, they will answer questions, they will give their names, they will allow you to photograph them, they'll even give you their email, their phone number. So if you have any questions later. So there's a very, very different thing about this mentality in a personal situation than somebody on a podium,

goading a big bunch of people in an arena to get angry at the press court in the back. As far as the Acosta thing, I have seen criticisms of him on a number of levels in terms of, say, the tone of his questioning or whether he is seeking attention or whatever. I'm not going to judge another guy on that. Everyone has their own style of questioning. Some people might find my style of questioning aggressive, very aggressive or not suited to people.

Maybe people have a feeling that the president of the United States should be accorded a certain level of respect for the office, if not for the per-regardless of who's in the chair. The questioning the president is something that asks for a certain level of decorum. Now, where the problem comes in is if you see that he was being penalized if they took away his press card because he asked questions that the president didn't like because the president doesn't like his attitude, doesn't like his employer,

because they wanted to make suggestions or create an impression about a situation that involved an intern trying to take away a microphone. While he was speaking and interpret that an impression about a situation that involved an intern trying to take away a microphone while he was speaking and interpret that as him, quote, placing his hands on this young woman, you know, that that is a different matter. That's not a question about, you know, that's not a question about the future of journalism in this country. That's a question about one guy. And the other thing is, okay, maybe in this case, they say, well, you know, he acted inappropriately. Now, whether or not

you agree with that. Okay, what happens when somebody gets their passport because the editorial page of their newspaper, which they have nothing to do with, writes a story that says Donald Trump is a monster. Or their papers owned by someone that's a personal enemy, like Jeff Bezos. Whatever, whatever it may be. Okay, now if that is going to disqualify you from having the same access as somebody who represents an outlet that the president likes or finds friendly, then that is, that's just not fair.

It's not right. It's not, it's not something I'm comfortable with as a reporter. I'm not going to say that every person at a Trump rally, for example, considered me an enemy of the people had perfectly fine interactions with people in that context or with members of the administration or so on. But, and is there always, is there preference for a certain outlet to certain reporters and not for others? Yes. Were other administrations equally unexcited to have a warm and fuzzy relationship with the

press? Absolutely. The question becomes, when you see something like what happened with Jim Acosta, who's going to be next and why? Because if they start for a while they didn't want to have cameras at these press conferences, at these daily briefings, they threaten to not have any briefings. And some people say, okay, the press should boycott the briefings if they don't want to answer the questions, if they're going to sit there for an hour and have a... Top- top on or like just be called

fake news or not get real answers. What's the way you're wasting our waste our time? I mean, I think it's I think it's important to know that you can keep questioning this or any administration aggressively and effectively and fairly without being in that briefing room. But the idea of without being in that briefing room. But the idea of attacking reporters to the point where you are impeding them from doing their job, just because you don't like the questions they ask, or the way they look, or who they work for, that to me is very troublesome.

So the short answer, I am concerned about this, or the shorter answer, yes. I think that different reporters work in different ways and that's fine. But if there is, I don't what I don't like to see is I don't like to see this used as a sort of a cudgel. see this used as a sort of a cudgel. The idea that a president talks about the fake news media or the enemy of the people, the press isn't the enemy of the people. First of all, the press is the people, is the voice of the people. And we see a lot of, we see a lot of siloing. And I understand that people, my father always says,

people read newspapers to confirm what they already think. All right, so, you know, the person who's listening to this program is maybe not the same person who's listening to another program or watching enough, yeah, okay, that's fine. You know, that people have choice. That's good to have choice. But singling out outlets or condemning an entire industry, condemning a free press.

That is the cornerstone of this democracy because it's popular with your audience. That I can understand to be worrisome. So I know you have to get out of here. I would keep you here for nine hours if I possibly could, but I have two final questions for you and then I will let you go. Number one is if you could ask Sarah Huckabee Sanders any question and get a hundred percent honest answer and transparency, any question that you would have

to answer about anything, what would you ask her? What's in the president's tax returns? It's a good question. I would have went for where do you get your eyeshadow palettes, but you know yours is a good question. Yeah. Because they're from Elf. They've got to be from Elf. That was my question. Number two is we always on the show because we've been talking about some dark shit for the

last two years. We've started ending the show with a nice thing. Can you tell me something nice that you've seen recently or been doing self-care stuff, something you like to watch, music you like, that a recommendation for the audience. Oh my God, okay, that is, wow, that's brutal. Okay, I can go for a CVY. Yeah, I'm trying to, okay, give me some time to think, you see, I'm just like, I am not in a nice department. I mean, I like, I like, I like nice things.

I do, I'm not in the business of happy. I will say that my nice thing was two things. One, I, South Park did an episode last night that I am so on and off with South Park and their politics and the things that they do, but they apologized to Al Gore and they said the whole episode was basically like, we were wrong about climate change.

You were right, what the fuck do we do now? And it was wonderful, it's so satisfying. And it shouldn't have taken us getting closer and closer to doing apocalypse for this to happen, but it was thrilled that it did. That was one nice thing. And then also an episode of Always Sunny last night, they had a character do an interpretive dance

about being gay and they did this really touching emotional episode, which is so different from them. And Danny DeVito brought me to tears. It was beautiful. So if you have FXX or you can stream it or find it in all the royals on the internet, I have to tell the audience to go check that out. Anything you like, oh my god, I like, I'm trying to say what do I like? What do I like?

What do you take comfort in? You can say don't know? Well, yes, but also Because that's mine. Um, doxins is So seriously like I have to say in terms of like self-care or That is your Twitter head out, how do I see? Yes, I had a doctor. Oh, see no wonder we get along Like I have to say in terms of like self-care or that is your Twitter head out how to see yes yes I have a doctor. Oh, see no wonder we get along but I would say seriously in terms of self-care and in terms of just being

super ultra-fixated on politics and like just Moniically checking Twitter and Email and and trying to listen to everything trying to see everything. It's kind of cool to just have a moment, to just be like, hey guys, what's up dogs? You're so soft and friendly. You have no idea what's going on. You don't think I'm fake news. You, you, you like, they really like me.

So, I mean, in terms of, in terms of my personal self-care or in terms of my like personal grounding, I mean, in addition to obviously, you know, my family and my friends, but it's just cool to sort of like take a minute and hang out with these two life-go-go boys. They're just happy to see me and I'm happy to see them and it's just like, we just, we hang out, it's cool.

Every time I'm sad, I just look at my count and I think like, you love me so much. Yes, so true, so true. Well, I love you too. Oh, thank you, I love you too. Oh, thank you. I love you. And I'm sure the audience loves you. And if they want to find you, they can find you

at Celeste Katz NYC on Twitter. You're a senior political reporter at Glamour and you host Driving Forces and WBAI. So if you liked this conversation, you can go check that out and get all the Celeste you want. I know that I do. Oh. Thank you for coming on the show.

Totally appreciate it, my pleasure. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best. So, I've just been informed that your family is completely out of money and will be forced to go out and tour with the Spice Girls. Thank you.