Tomorrow - 142: Tumblr Has Snapped

Episode Date: December 7, 2018

Well we had a lot of fun... but the internet is over. It's time to pack up and take our nipples home. Tumblr has euthanized itself – via a refusal to host porn – and Josh and Ryan are not taking i...t well. Elsewhere on Tomorrow, they dissect CRISPR babies (not literally), Kevin Hart's latest career disaster, the daily deluge of bad takes, and continue their discussion of Thanos' sex life. All in all, not a bad Hanukkah episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey and welcome to Tomorrow. I'm your host, Josh with Topolki. Today on the podcast, we discuss Michael Cohen, Thanos' boner, again, and yoga. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. All right, Ryan, well, we did it. We made it. We're back. We're back on the air. We're back over the digital airwaves.
Starting point is 00:00:48 So we did not do a show last week. People were very upset. I got several death threats sent to me. And what you think is weird? I'm really into the episode. Just, oh yeah, no, no, no, unrelated. Not having anything to do with the episode. No, but we were, we've been moving offices and last week was just kind of a cluster of fuck. And frankly, we should have told you guys, and that was irresponsible of Ryan, mainly. Huh! I was in the office waiting to record and guess what, everything was moving around me
Starting point is 00:01:15 and you were crying about a U-Haul and then there was some kind of fire in the elevator and now that didn't happen. There was no fire in the elevator. Was there, maybe there was, I don't know. And it's possible. So anyway, so we're back now and that's the important thing and there's a lot of stuff to talk about. You actually just sent me a list of things. Some of this is old news now.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Yeah, but I think we should at least touch on some of this stuff. Where to start? Can you explain the Kevin Hart thing to me? Sure. Okay, so in the Can you explain the Kevin Hart thing to me? Sure. OK, so in the times since we recorded Kevin Hart, he's the host of the Oscars, right? And then there's something with tweets. He refused to apologize for old gay jokes and then said, if you can dig up my old gay jokes,
Starting point is 00:01:57 you could dig up the apology. And when you dig up the apology, he'd says, I'm not going to apologize. And you're like, OK, well, I get it. You know what? Today, today people were like, I guess he like quoted Martin Luther King in like, you know, it's like Martin Luther King Jr. Like, it's like, I don't know, man, I don't think this debate rises to the level of, I
Starting point is 00:02:19 don't think you're Martin Luther King Jr. status when you're just like, I made some dumb gay jokes. And now I can't host the Oscars. Yeah, and then he just, here's the thing. If he had just apologized and been like, listen, we all said a lot of stuff in 2009. Oops, it would have been like, yeah, you know what? He's right, whatever.
Starting point is 00:02:35 Yeah, what is that? Why not just go like, why not just go, yeah, you know what, I made some really dumb jokes. I feel really bad about them. I mean, first off, like, I get not deleting it. I understand him not deleting them. I think it's in a way it's good. I think you should own your existence unless you really, unless you were like, unless you're like a neo-nazi and you had like all these neo-nazi tweets,
Starting point is 00:02:57 and then you're like, wait, I'm not into this. This is stupid and bad, and neo-nazis are horrible. The government needs to go around and recollect all her Jesus' magic DVDs. Like the character. Sarah Silverman? Yeah, what did she do? She do gay jokes on there? She did a lot of jokes.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Her whole thing was like adorable, cutesy, ironic racism, where she's like, I couldn't possibly really think this, but then, you know, it's everywhere. And then she's like, what dumb bitch would say that? You know what I mean? And like, at the time I got what she was going for, but in hindsight, like a lot of people didn't, and a lot of people basically just heard racist stuff
Starting point is 00:03:31 coming out of her mouth, and it would feel like, yeah, you know, it's subtle. It's subtle. She's talked about it, she's processed it, she's worked with other people to like, yeah, better. If you're coming hard, just be like, look, I did some dumb jokes.
Starting point is 00:03:46 I feel bad about them. I regret making them. I won't make jokes like that again. And that's all I need to say. And he didn't do that until he was like, fired slash quit the job, which is like, the first thing any PR person would told you to do is like, oops, oopsie poopsy.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Sorry guy. Anyway, you had the Oscar. It would have been fine. Yeah, you like, it's like oops, oopsy, poopsy, sorry guy. Anyway, you had the author. It would have been fine. Yeah, you like it was a wild time, you know, I was doing a lot of, I don't know, he's into working out. So maybe he was high on steroids at the time. A lot of creatine and a lot of creatine. He was, he was, he actually had taken too many vitamins that day. And as a result, he did a bunch of bad gay jokes. I don't know what the jokes are and I'm not going to go investigate. And I think I've already heard enough about this story to know that I don't care.
Starting point is 00:04:30 And in similar news, Kevin Hart's not alone. The president of Grindr had a bunch of stuff pulled up from his old Facebook page where he rants about how he doesn't like gay people and is against the same sex marriage. Classic. Same. I also have the same post out there. No, I like that way. So, so, so, so, did you say the CEO of Grindr? President of Grindr. Okay. So, was he like hired? He's not gay. He is not gay. Okay. I feel like that's a real leap for somebody who publicly is upset about it. It's like not only do you have to now be definitely around a lot of gay people all the time, but you're kind of in the center of a lot of pretty sexy gay activity. It seems funny to me two things.
Starting point is 00:05:18 One, it's the exact opposite of Tommy Laren who was like, I like abortion. I'm a progressive blah, blah, blah, blah, and then someone handed her a checkaren who was like, I like abortion. I'm a progressive blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then someone handed her a check and she was like, exact opposite. And he, so Grindr owns a magazine or like a publication called Into, which is sometimes fun and other times of varying quality. Interesting. And that was the publication that first reported it. And then instead of just being like in dealing with it internally,
Starting point is 00:05:47 making an apology, say, clarifying his evolving views, whatever the guy could have done, he publicly made fun of the reporter who reported it, who was a friend of mine, and was like, why couldn't we settle this internally? I'm very disappointed that you published this. And it's like, well, you hire journalists, and it's not a journalist job to like call you up and make
Starting point is 00:06:06 sure you look good and get a heads up. Like if the Washington Post started giving heads up to Jeff Bezos, it wouldn't be good either. Well, he says they don't. I would hope that they don't. We don't know. We don't know what goes on over there, okay? All we know is, all we know is, is, Amazon's come into Long Island City. And you do a Washington Post, New York branch.
Starting point is 00:06:31 They probably have, I guess they have a New York branch already. Anyhow, the point is, that my packages arrive on time. Listen, that's all that matters is that we're getting, that I'm getting my prime deliveries as scheduled. All right, how many how? Okay, well that's bad news about the Grindr guide. Did he get fired or what's going on?
Starting point is 00:06:48 He didn't get fired. Can we talk about this a little bit because I think there's this whole thing going on right now. There's a lot of outrage going on, right? I mean, I think we've taken outrage to it. And I'm not saying that we shouldn't be mad at Kevin Hart and the Grindr guide. I think we should.
Starting point is 00:07:01 But I don't know if you've been following this Priyanka Chopra situation. Now what do you say? And like, okay, so here's the deal. And like Lauren, I were talking about this over breakfast and I think it's like, I almost want to write about it but then I'm like, what's the fucking point? Because I feel like this is just like,
Starting point is 00:07:16 I've just said this like a billion times. It's like, so you've got like this article that the cut published. Now the cut is like, the cut is part of the New York Magazine family of brands and like the problem with New York, the cut is like, the cut is part of the New York Magazine family of brands and like the problem with New York, and I love New York Magazine. The problem with New York Magazine is that
Starting point is 00:07:31 it can't just be New York Magazine. It has to be a ever growing internet destination for all possible content because that is the way we have created this, the industry that we have crafted, the, and there are many reasons for it, right? But like, we are in an industry, the media industry where it is about a volume business, okay? To stay alive and to grow and to grow.
Starting point is 00:07:54 And we've made our journalistic outlets and like magazines into capitalist entities that have to have infinite growth on an infinite way. So yes, so the cut, the cut is very good. I think they do a lot of really good stuff. They did this, the Westfield Watcher story, which now apparently has been an option for a movie, which we had a pitch sitting in our trailer in 2016 on that story and didn't do it for some reason.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Something I've, I've, I've, I often wonder about. But you know, anyhow, like that's a great story. They've broken really important news around like some of the recent Me Too stories. They've done important journals and they also do great fashion stuff. But then they have this whole other arm which is like their blog machine.
Starting point is 00:08:34 And people like blogging stuff and people writing shit. And just trying to get a take out there. Like hot fucking takes as quickly as humanly possible. Okay. And so what happens when you have a hot take machine is that every once in a while, you have a fucking shitty take, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:49 because you're just pumping out garbage into the world. Like you don't need to do the, you didn't need to do the post. Nobody was like, man, I wish somebody would tackle this, the fucking Priyanka Chopra, Nick Jonas scam angle. It's like, come on. You know, the reality is it's like, you're just desperate, every is desperate for content, okay? So what happened is they write this article
Starting point is 00:09:11 and it's like kind of racist and kind of just extremely tone deaf in a lot of ways. I've pre-Prianka Chopra scammed Nick Jonas into marrying her after a one night stand, which they have no information that that's the truth, in order to further her career. Yeah, it's real us, it's real us weekly sort of level shit, but like, but, but, you know, again,
Starting point is 00:09:32 like the dissonance here is like, and I've often felt this about Buzzfeed, where you have the dissonance between the fucking dress and then Buzzfeed news, which is like, we're serious, you know, we're doing real investigative journals in which they fucking do. But then they're also like 15 ways, you know, if you're a snoopy, one of those characters
Starting point is 00:09:48 from the peanuts or whatever. I don't know what, I literally couldn't even think of something dumb enough to be the thing. That I'm fucking videos published and tweeted right alongside like Breaking Michael Cohen news. Yeah, yeah, which we're gonna get to in a second. But anyhow, my point is, so you've got this industry of the really fucking amazing thing,
Starting point is 00:10:05 is there have now been days of takes about the bad take, okay? Jezebel wrote one and the post has something and the people are outraged, they're really upset. But there, the Buzzfeed wrote this fucking story and it's like, people are mad about this article. That's the story. It's not actually delivering any new information. It's not telling you something that is vital.
Starting point is 00:10:25 It's not even explaining in really a good way why you should care. It's just like people on Twitter are mad and now we have written an article, okay? Then you've got like Buzzfeed doing multiple articles on it and like their reporters are talking about it and it's like here's the deal. Like it's a shitty take created by an industry that is like at the edge of it. And it's like, here's the deal. Like, it's a shitty take created by an industry
Starting point is 00:10:46 that is like at the, at the edge of its, it's at the breaking point. It's at the edge of sand. It's at the edge of sand. And it's at its breaking point. And it has been driven there by a fucking advertising duopoly, which, which instead of fighting against the New York magazines of the world are desperate to be part of. And they're not trying to change it. They're trying to be part of it. And I understand like they've got to support their business,
Starting point is 00:11:10 but there are other ways to fight and nobody has figured it the fuck out. And instead everybody's like, well, it works, it Facebook's working. I mean, this is like, you know, Mike was sold to bustle for $5 million or whatever. And it's like, businesses are, these businesses are dying
Starting point is 00:11:26 because it's an unsustainable, we've created an unsustainable space for journalism. Now, the problem, the real fucking problem is like, how many of those, sorry, I'm totally rambling now, but like, so you've got this industry, it's like hot take machines, then takes on the takes, they don't even take anymore. They're just a thing happened and let us observe it for you
Starting point is 00:11:44 and we'll tell you about the our observing of this thing. I'm gonna tell you how you should feel about this thing. Well, it doesn't even get that. It's not even that advanced anymore. Now just like literally the article on Buzzfeed was people are mad about this cut story. And it's like, okay, and like what is your version? Well, like what is your take on it?
Starting point is 00:12:01 Tell me Buzzfeed news about what I should, why this is important? Why are we reading this story? Why is this a news story? Another are days of the fucking story. The point is the article is bad, but it was created because the system is asking for bad articles, okay? And the system is asking for reaction articles
Starting point is 00:12:22 to the bad articles and everybody's playing their fucking part. And so when people are like, how did this article get done? I mean, a lot of people are like, how did this article slip through? How did the editors let this go up? It's like, I'll tell you how. They have a fucking mandate to grow month over month, to get millions and millions more people. The other Friday piece, did you see that? No, what was that one?
Starting point is 00:12:42 Okay, so this is also from the whole. Let me finish my point. They have a mandate to keep getting millions and millions more people every year to read the cut. And now the cut increasingly becomes some watered down vague catch all for I don't know politics and celebrity gossip and fashion tips and the Westfield watcher and me two stories and interviews of celebrities and who fucking knows because because you can't be a thing you can't be a publication and also play that game. Anyhow so the so I've been it's
Starting point is 00:13:16 very annoying to see it all and this happens now all the time right like this is this is just the way that the world works at this point. Unless we, and look, it is going to, the reality is like, it is going to be a shit show until there's almost nothing left, you know. And then maybe when from that scorched earth, we can rebuild, which will bring me to soon to the Avengers 4 trailer conversation we're going to have. But what was your point you were going to make about Ariana Grande? It's the into that magazine that we just discussed from Grindr published a piece that was like, the thank you next video is transphobic homophobic racist like basically every quote unquote
Starting point is 00:13:55 problematic thing you could read into something. And it was like this total reach that was like, she's too tan in the video. that's essentially black face and bushes choice of on which is homophobia like Regina George and was bullying people which is a trope from the movie yeah and then like and it's transphobia because someone in the video was a dude dressed as a girl and it was as a joke and like that's transphobia and like it went on and on it was like how did this get published and it's like oh I know how this got published. Thank you next stuff gets clicks. This is problematic gets clicks. And they just put the two things together.
Starting point is 00:14:30 And when they saw the pitch, they were like sure. They posted it in hopes that people would get a little angry and click. And maybe it would start some kind of discussion that they could be the link for. And basically none of this is helpful. Barely has anything to do with their mandate, which is to cover queer issues.
Starting point is 00:14:46 You just found something that like gay people were watching and then decided to like back bend to make it fit into your category. And it was like, I mean, not, I mean, even just the piece itself, like internal logic wise, didn't really line up, like it really made no sense. And there was really clearly no editor there. And then, so there's pieces about the piece,
Starting point is 00:15:05 there's pieces about the piece, there's pieces about why we wrote the piece. Then there's a piece about the writer apparently was accused of rape and is a trans person, so that's a whole separate piece. Oh boy. And it's like this just spirals off and it's like all of this worked
Starting point is 00:15:22 because what they got was a ton of clicks and it all worked for them, really. I mean, they might feel shame or embarrassment and like have an internal discussion about like, I don't wanna feel like this to get clicks, but they got clicks. So the now the impetus for another person is to say, next time they get a crazy take to decide
Starting point is 00:15:41 that it's worthwhile in formal. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's a reinforcing, the system reinforces all of this behavior. I mean, of course, it works. I mean, if it didn't work, they wouldn't do it. But the question is why, why is it working and what is it providing? What is it doing for people, you know, like what are we getting out of it? I mean, it's a very troubling, it's a very troubling, whatever, listen. Everything's gonna be a fucking disaster for a long time.
Starting point is 00:16:09 I mean, but I think that if we don't recognize, if we can't recognize the, what is it, what is happening? If you don't know that you're in the system, if Jezebel's fucking outraged, Jezebel knows that it's part of the system, doesn't it? Shouldn't it know? It knows that its outrage is part of the system that allowed the peace to be written in the first place. And like, you can be outraged. Your answer
Starting point is 00:16:35 can be like, be better, but the reality is like, you can be the fucking best. You can be best, you know, as I say. And, and it still doesn't mean that you're not going to push out some shit because you're being forced to by an unrelenting, unforgiving, and completely broken industry. And I say fight the future. Fight the fucking future. Get fucking, we need a pill that were like red pill,
Starting point is 00:17:00 or blue pill, or whatever, for understanding that the media sucks. We need a scully and maler on the case, okay. Ink-pilled. What is there, is there a meme that has yet to be done that's like, Mueller, and then somebody with an ass in their name that sounds like Scully, and it's like a bad Photoshop of them doing like, they're looking for it.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Aller and Sorrow. Who? Mueller and Sorrow. No, it's like, oh, that's not bad. It's like Muller. I mean, who's like, I don't know. It's Robert Muller and Nancy Pelosi photoshopped onto Scully and Muller.
Starting point is 00:17:35 And they're looking at a file. And instead of being an ex file, it's like the Russia dossier. I'm sure this exists. It's like a bad lib beam. It must exist, right? Anyhow, let's get back on topic here, because I don't have all day Ryan to talk about this. I mean, I have most of the day.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Speaking of Mueller, just talk about politics for a second, because I can't even, as they say. It has not given me life, okay? The politics stuff. Michael Cohen, Elijah Investigators taking a plea deal. George Poppedopolis is just served a two week sentence for lying to investigators, and now he's out.
Starting point is 00:18:20 I don't know what's going on. Roger Stone is about to be indicted or something. I don't know, you know listen, who knows is about to be indicted or something. And it's like, I don't know. You know, listen, who knows? It could be a witch hunt, I suppose. I'm as possible, you know, could be very cool, very cool and very legal. And Trump coordinated their media efforts,
Starting point is 00:18:38 which is categorically illegal and would be a huge hit. Who did the NRA and Trump? Look, that happened today. Yeah, that just broke. I can't cry. Here's the thing. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:18:51 You could believe you could be like, this is all a liberal, you know, Democrats scam operation to undermine the president, but or more likely. I mean, they're literally sending people to actual jail, okay? People that he's like, his lawyer is going to actual jail, okay? Like, that doesn't happen because the Democrats have it in for the lawyer, okay?
Starting point is 00:19:17 It happens because he broke laws. Like, I guarantee fucking to you, something's going on. It's not just an accident that all of these people I guarantee you, something's going on. It's not just an accident that all of these people around Donald Trump are going to fucking jail. Everybody did a crime except Trump who had no idea. Maybe they were smart enough, you know that there's some kind of plausible, he's got some kind of plausible deniability, you know, like it's possible.
Starting point is 00:19:51 No way. Not with me. Are they this, maybe they're the smartest criminals of all time, you know, I mean, we'll have to check Ivanka's emails. I mean, I'm just saying, it's possible that, you know, the president knew nothing. Well, the good news in politics is that, Milo Young and Appalachis, $2 million in debt
Starting point is 00:20:18 and tried to make a Patreon to get out of debt and then got banned from Patreon within minutes. So that's working. I'm really into that. Meanwhile, Laura Lumer handcuffed herself to the Twitter headquarters because it was a deep platform. This is the great. This is the greatest. This is this was one of the best things ever. Twitter was like, you can stay here as long. They're like, the police came right? And they were like, do you want to press charges and Twitter is like, no, she can stay here as long as she wants?
Starting point is 00:20:50 Listen at Jack and I might not always get along but I think we both had a good laugh that day. It's the best. I mean Jack's a schmuck but whoever's responsible for that decision is great. Great. Maybe it's Jack. So Kudas Jack you've done anything right. He was like, you know what I love free speech. I'll later have that. Maybe he likes Laura Loomer. Who knows? I don't remember what her claim to fame is. I think she's... He did like Nazi stuff? Yeah, I'm sure she did some kind of Nazi stuff. Okay, anyhow, what else is on our list? Tumblr band porn.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Tumblr band porn. Tumblr band porn. Tumblr band. They didn't just band porn. They banned like even things that aren't porn that some people could take as porn. And it's akin to Twitter banning live tweeting of events or hot takes. Like what's gonna be on there now? It's like, I mean, here's the problem is that
Starting point is 00:22:01 there has to be a better way to deal with it. I mean, the really crazy thing is like, and I've seen a lot of, I mean, a lot of people are talking about this. There's a ton of like sex workers on Tumblr. It's time people who like basically have created like a fan base on Tumblr. I'm not saying I know personally anything about it, Ryan, but why understand that there are sex workers on Tumblr performing, selling their many vids, you know, doing selling used panties, etc. And, uh, or just regular boxers.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Um, and anyhow, it's just, the crazy thing is that like, it's clear that Tumblr has, it built a large community around, um, sex and pornography. And, but it also is built a community that's adjacent to that in a way that is not, I would not necessarily categorize as pornography. In the sense that there are people that I follow on Tumblr, there are blogs that I follow and stuff that are like aesthetics. It's aesthetic stuff and then every once in a while there's a boob. Or like an ass or whatever.
Starting point is 00:23:05 And I just think that like you really need to think about what you want. I mean, Tumblr's not going to be Instagram. They cannot be Instagram. They will never be Instagram. If they think that they can make Tumblr into some kind of Instagram by getting rid of like porn, I mean, I think they have a, they really are gonna learn how horrible and hard lesson. I have a chat on Instagram. So what do you offer? Well, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:23:29 So like, now it's like, okay, you're banning nipples, female presenting nipples, which is like, fucking lame. Like, I just don't know what to say, except it's just a very lame. Apple pulled their app from the app store. Yeah, but they pulled it for like child porn, supposedly. Which they, how could that company of that size
Starting point is 00:23:49 owned by Verizon not be able to filter a child porn but leave like regular boobs? Yeah, like I'm sorry. Are there any Reddit apps on the app store? Yeah, there's third party ones. There's the actual Twitter. I can find, I can find tons of porn on Twitter. Yeah, tons.
Starting point is 00:24:05 And there was actually, I'm pretty sure there was a pretty bad shout out, porn problem on Twitter at some point. And there has to be a way to filter out. Like, there is a fucking way to filter. There's a way to filter. You know? I mean, even if you're a report button
Starting point is 00:24:18 and then you shut that person down and you like hard ban them from the platform. But I think this actually gets to like, the heart of the problem is not Tumblr. The heart of the problem is fucking Apple. And by the way, there's a case, I believe in front of this Supreme Court now, or near to it, about Apple's monopoly on its App Store.
Starting point is 00:24:39 And what I will say is this, it's like, Apple, I do not want Apple to be the fucking company that controls what I can see. And just know that it is Apple's decision. Now look, I look, I'm, you will meet nobody who is more staunchly anti-child porn than me. Like, that goes without saying. There are ways to, look, you're always going to have bad actors in a system. There's no way. There are people sending emails using Apple Mail right now, full of child porn, okay? That's a reality.
Starting point is 00:25:07 No matter where the shit touches, there's gonna be some way to use a platform to abuse it, and to traffic in abuse. But- Especially a platform that constantly talks about how privacy-focused it is. And so, yes, you're gonna have bad actors. Honestly, I'm, I'm,, I messages is probably the single best way
Starting point is 00:25:26 for child porn enthusiasts to share child porn. Yes. I mean, it's encrypted. Apple Apple will help the authorities crack phones. Ignol WhatsApp. All those apps, but especially I message. I mean, there, that Apple has been very, very like we are hands off.
Starting point is 00:25:44 It is encrypted. We can't get in there even if we wanted. It's actually the perfect platform for child porn, which I don't know if they were aware of that or not. But the thing about it is like, first of, I do not understand the idea of pulling the entire Tumblr app because there is an instance of or some child porn reported or whatever. It's like, you definitely can go to Yahoo or Verizon
Starting point is 00:26:04 or whoever I'm really, hey, we have a problem problem here like you guys need to deal with it, right? Like There is a mode I mean you have to be working to get Tumblr like to get like porn fully functioning on Tumblr You actually kind of have to work hard at it like at home Because it's best to bury sensitive content. So like let's not mean, it has never been easy to look at porn on Tumblr. Like you have to click login, change a setting, then you have to directly navigate to it because it's none of it is searchable.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Like if you want to look at porn on Tumblr, it's not necessarily like a turnkey operation. I mean, just get, I mean, can't they hire people to, can't they, I mean, what they, here's the problem with Tumblr. They must have really fucking old janky technology. Like they must not have like Advanced content filtering technology and instead of building it or buying it
Starting point is 00:26:51 They're like, you know what we just want to have explicit content anymore Like what is the actual reason? I'll say this you gave me an android phone to play with for a couple weeks So I could like familiarize myself a little bit for work reasons. Great segue. And I have to say like being able to side load your own apps and like basically having total control over your device is not to be underestimated. Yeah, tell me about it.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Like this phone, there are reasons why I'm not going to ever work at least at this moment, get rid of my iPhone and that has to do with owning an Apple Watch, having paid a lot of money for apps and iMessage. But it feels like an actual computer as opposed to like my iPhone, which feels like an iPhone. Yeah, I mean, I think that it is, I'm not, and again,
Starting point is 00:27:39 it's like, I'm not saying that, that we should have child porn on anything because I don't think there should be child porn anywhere. But if you really believe in open platforms and freedom of speech and all the stuff that everybody talks about, you can't be like, oh, sorry, no more female presenting nipples on our platform.
Starting point is 00:27:59 You just can't. And it undermines so much of, I mean, yes, yes, there's porn. And yes, like the people who are probably most upset are the people who either are looking for porn or making porn on Tumblr. But it's like, find a way to manage it. Don't just shut it down. Be like a responsible business. Having an open platform in privacy is your highest goal
Starting point is 00:28:29 and then from there work on what, how you can prevent bad actors. But you don't say like, we don't want anyone to hit people with their car so nobody's having a car. Right, right. I just think, I mean, I think there's more to it. I don't know what, I don't know, we don't know the inside story of this. I would venture to guess that the inside story, there's a lot of, my guess is it's probably more financial
Starting point is 00:28:51 than anything when it comes to Verizon's decision. Like, I'm guessing they said, well, listen, we really can't monetize the porn, although I certainly see ads all over the porn areas of Tumblr. They're like, we're not monetizing the porn that well Although I certainly see ads all over the porn areas of Tumblr. They're like, we're not monetizing the porn that well. It's getting us banned in the app store. We're not gonna invest in the resources necessary
Starting point is 00:29:14 to police the system properly. It's easier to just cut the shit out and deal with the backlash and then have a platform that's basically g-rated. You know? Like, I'm actually sort of like, I don't know, I really am kind of like, I'm kind of gutted about the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:29:33 Like, I love Tumblr. And I mean, we just wrote, Jeremy just wrote a piece for us a few months ago about how great Tumblr was and how it's kind of like one of the last like great things on the internet. And you know, now it's like people are like, it's like what are you gonna do? Like where do you go?
Starting point is 00:29:50 Like, I mean, one of the things that was really interesting about Tumblr is like, you know, for better or worse, porn or no porn or whatever, it's like the community is really interesting. Having like a social network that is wide open that doesn't have rules really, is like has some of the best parts of social networks which is like you can follow people and they can follow you and you can communicate with them directly and you can comment on things or whatever.
Starting point is 00:30:13 But like also it's this kind of weird open thing. It could be like your thing could be photos. It could be video could be like along, you know, you could write only essays like I my blog is hosted like Joshua Tupulskiki.com, is a Tumblr blog. My Ryan Hulland.com is a Tumblr blog. And I'm like legitimately like, I mean, it's one of the places that I go to like find weird interesting things and like post them
Starting point is 00:30:41 like because it's pleasurable. It's like, there's nothing else like it. There's nothing else like it on the internet. There's nothing else like it. And I found some of the most interesting things on Tumblr. I've seen some of the most fascinating, I found some of the most interesting artists, some of the greatest designs,
Starting point is 00:30:59 some of the weirdest old video games. I have gone down so many weird rabbit holes and found so much cool shit because of Tumblr. And like to think that, you know, that is all going to be fucking destroyed because they're scared of what? I don't know, female presenting nipples. I mean, yes, child porn, we should all be worried about it. But the reality is like, they could, they could, I don't know if we're gonna get child's point. Let's, like, we, but like that said, I mean,
Starting point is 00:31:29 but that said, but that said, they can find a way to police it better. You know, they can. But they just aren't going to. And, a lot of cases have, have, have. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 00:31:44 It can be done. It's just they don't wanna do it. I mean, I think that's the reality that we have to have have. Yes, yes. It can be done. It's just they don't want to do it. I mean, I think that's the reality that we have to deal with is that they don't want to solve the problem. And so it's a real bummer because like I fucking love it. And it's like the probably the last really great social network that exists on the internet as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I guess people could argue Reddit,
Starting point is 00:32:05 but I'm not a big Reddit fan. Like, I don't know, like, they don't always do everything I want, but I do enjoy Reddit and I use it every day and it's useful. I find Reddit to be good, but it is not, it's not Tumblr, It's a different thing. It's not great. It's good, not great. It's a completely different thing.
Starting point is 00:32:28 It's just a whole different thing. So, you know, anyhow, like, I'm very upset about it and I feel like it is a furthering of some of the worst, some of the worst aspects and worst sort of trends of the internet, you know, which is, which is to see, you know, which is to like diminish. I mean, it's funny. On the one hand, it's like, I applaud Twitter if they're banning like Nazis from their platform or if they're banning child pornographers.
Starting point is 00:32:52 It's like, yeah, like use a scalpel. I mean, Twitter's not doing a good job of it, but like use a scalpel, not a sledgehammer, right? Like what you need here is a scalpel. You need a surgical approach to the problem, right? Most porn on Tumblr is not the problem, at least according to what they say. And the problem it sounds like is
Starting point is 00:33:16 a small subset of bad actors. And so deal with that shit. Well, in other phone related news, 5G has begun its PR campaign and it's testing it to roll out. Conglomeration of corporations went to Hawaii to show off that 5G is coming. And I'm not sold on it. I don't, I'm what's it to be sold on? It's like there's going to be a faster version of wireless.
Starting point is 00:33:44 I mean, here's my, here's my take on the whole thing. The wireless is going to get faster. The wireless. The wireless, your wireless connectivity is going to get faster. Okay, it's not gonna get slower. I mean, I mean, unless things keep going the way they're going, in which case, we're all gonna,
Starting point is 00:34:04 we're gonna be using like... Donald Trump bans Al Gore's internet. We're gonna be using like strings and cans to communicate, but no, like what's gonna happen is, someone's gonna do it, and they're gonna do it better than somebody else, and then that's gonna be the de facto standard, and then we're all gonna use that. I just, it's hard for me to get excited about it.
Starting point is 00:34:23 I'm like, it's gonna happen. It's just a matter of when, maybe it's sooner. I bet that life is already really bad and like they want us to use it in our homes instead of like broadband and. Well, if that's better, I mean. But I don't know, I think in places where the Fios has been connected, you'll continue to get Fios.
Starting point is 00:34:40 I just tell you I feel like I'm gonna use this. A Fios user. They're gonna use this and they're gonna try to push this all into 5G And they're gonna use this as a way of Lowering net neutrality standards and giving us all data caps and I don't want that other hold another tumbler Here's what I feel about Verizon. Here's why come down to Verizon hate them for what they've done to tumbler love them for their Fios You know?
Starting point is 00:35:07 I don't know, I'm just like 5G is, I feel like is the least interesting thing in the world to talk about. Well, in good news, it doesn't work though. Well, it's gonna work. I mean, do you think the internet's gonna get slower, you know? Maybe. If I had my way, I'd put a stop to it altogether. You'd put a stop to the internet. Oh, I love the sounds of that. I think that'd be great.
Starting point is 00:35:28 That's my preference also. I mean, there's so much news. We have to talk about Avengers 4. Oh, we need to talk about it. I was going to segue it. It was going to segue into Avengers 4. Some depressing topic. So I haven't seen the new Ant-Man movie, but now I feel like the Avengers 4 trailer is just a marketing tool for the second Ant-Man film. Yeah, they really want us to get into Ant-Man. Because like, it's like, there's like some thing with Ant-Man going on in that and they're like, the big, to me, the big, you don't know Ant-Man, you don't know the story.
Starting point is 00:36:00 Yeah, it's like, oh, you would see the Ant-Man. Well, none of this makes any sense then. The big, sorry, spoiler alert for the trailer, the teaser trailer, I don't even think it's a real trailer. I don't maybe it's a trailer. A little teaser. It's not that good of a trailer, but the big, I think the big reveal is like at the end, Ant-Man,
Starting point is 00:36:22 Paul played by Paul Redd, which is like Paul Redd, by the way, congrats. I mean, you somehow have made it into the largest, most popular film franchise of all time. And you look exactly like you did in Clueless. You're literally aging backwards, you're a vampire. But yeah, no, Paul Rudd is like Ant-Man and he's like, hey guys, I'm here, I'm Ant-Man
Starting point is 00:36:43 and Captain America is like, when is this from? Which I think we're all supposed to's like, hey guys, I'm here, I'm Ant-Man, and Captain America is like, when is this from? Which I think we're all supposed to go like, oh, he must have been like killed or whatever in the snap, which is now called the decimation, I believe, is the official name for it. Anyhow, whatever. And like, he's not, and which means like, something's going on.
Starting point is 00:37:00 And so we got alternate realities or different timelines or whatever the fuck it is. But I think the long and short is we're gonna be able to bring back all of our fallen heroes And that's the important thing because um I I don't know how they're gonna make another spider-man movie of spider-man's dead, you know what I'm saying? You know, I'm not sure I understand how a spider-man homecoming works if spider-man is or whatever not homecoming the other one Then the second one far from home. I believe it's called you'll play it like home. Yeah, no, it's called far from home I think but it's like, I don't remember.
Starting point is 00:37:26 He got like, he got snapped. So you know, I don't think they're going to kill this better man franchise in its infancy. So that doesn't make any sense. I really like the one said that they wouldn't drop a trailer and they should just put out an all black poster with the Avengers will go and a date at the bottom and just like balls out, be like, you're going to see this whether we market it or not, and keep it all mysterious. I was like, that's such a cool idea, and then of course they're not gonna do that.
Starting point is 00:37:48 Yeah, you know, it's also like, I'm supposed to believe that the Tony Stark-Peper-Pot's relationship is somehow like the soul of this film. The Ross and Rachel of the Marvel Universe. It's like, the Pepper Pot shows up. She like, I mean, they've made, she's like basically there to like up. She like, I mean, they've made, she's like basically there to like nag Tony, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:09 she's like, Tony, don't do it, Avengers thing again. And then he's like, I gotta do it, babe. And then it's like, okay, whatever, who cares? Who cares about pepper pots? Apparently she's got a big role in the new one, I think. Pepper pots is actually the most lethal of engine. You don't realize that. Did you see that thing where Gwen Paltrow was like,
Starting point is 00:38:25 I invented yoga. I mean, I heard the story. It was great. I think the story's made up. I think the whole thing is a fiction. Just like the fucking story, the thrillous story where the guy is like, I shut down this burger place and I was like, yeah, this reads really fishy.
Starting point is 00:38:41 And it turned out like the burger place was shut down for all sorts of other reasons that had nothing to do with his fucking article. He's like, I was in a bar. And the bartender was like, you're not going to show any more restaurants down. Are you? And it's like nobody says that. Nobody at the bar would say that to you. And the whole bar clapped and gave everyone give you $100. Yeah, it's like, oh, he's like, I was in a cab. And the cab driver was like, oh, this asshole journalist caused this hamburger joint to close. It's like, I was in a cab and the cab driver was like, oh, this asshole journalist caused this hamburger joint to close. It's like, yeah, the cab driver didn't say that. I'm sorry, I'm calling bullshit on your recollections.
Starting point is 00:39:11 I was somehow the center of attention in this town. This five year old came up to me and very profoundly said, please, no more shutting down of my favorite restaurant. Yeah, he said, please, what's going on snacks? Are you going to shut down McDonald's? Anyhow sorry totally off topic, but not really The story about Gweneth Paltrow. Yeah, she's at a she's you know, I don't know what some girl says to her Have you ever done yoga or like I'm a yoga expert?
Starting point is 00:39:40 Okay, I'm just gonna Google go at it. Paltrow. Yeah I'm just going to Google, go ahead and tell Julia. I've never done yoga. And she said, and I thought to myself, you have this job because I've done yoga. So, so real. So it's so ripped from the headlines. Oh, good. I'm glad fortune has an article about this. The nice thing I'll say that one nice thing about the content spam world that we live in
Starting point is 00:40:02 is you never have to look very far for the story. You know, we've made it so that the value of a story is so low that literally everybody has a version of it. Forgive me if this comes out wrong, but I went to do a yoga class in LA recently. That first up right there sounds like a lie. I went to do a I went to do a yoga class in LA. It's like what is you live in LA? Who talks like that? That's like me going like, I went to work out in New York. That doesn't make any sense. But also like, I'm supposed to, we've got a culture that doesn't have private yoga instructor
Starting point is 00:40:33 that she's just going, yeah. But let's keep going, let's keep going. Forgive me if this comes out wrong, but I went to do a yoga class in LA recently, okay, lie. And the 22 year old girl behind the counter, okay, let's stop right there. She's somewhere where Gwyneth Paltrow has to go up to a counter and talk to a 22 year old girl. You tell me Gwyneth Paltrow's people didn't make the appointment for her or whatever.
Starting point is 00:40:56 And then the girl says, have you ever done yoga before to Gwyneth Paltrow? Like, this story is, she is fucking making this up. This conversation never happened. And literally I turned to my friend, okay, what friend? And I was like, she has this job because I've done yoga before. It's like, I think Gwana thought this would be like a real zingy quip
Starting point is 00:41:22 that never ever happened for real, for sure never fucking happened. It's like all you did is like you made up a dumb story to seem like you had a good like comeback. Yeah. And now you just seem like a total dick. And people do this on Twitter all the time. You're just so not plugged into that world to realize that we all know you're doing.
Starting point is 00:41:40 Hmm. Hmm. I mean, is she for real? This is so wild. That was the beginning of people thinking I was a crackpot palatros said by Goob's founding in September, 2008. Like, what do you mean food can affect your health?
Starting point is 00:41:54 I remember when I started, when I started doing yoga and people were like, what is yoga? She's a witch, she's a freak. It's like, when did you start doing yoga in 1486? Like, were you talking about? Like an entire continent in the yoga before you start doing yoga in 1486? Like, were you talking about an entire continent to did yoga before you did? Like yoga?
Starting point is 00:42:08 There's nothing controversial about yoga in America since like, I don't know the 60s, maybe. Maybe, I don't know, even in the 60s, if it was like highly controversial, I think it was like, what's this new thing called yoga? And then people are like, it's a kind of exercise and like, that was it. That was the extent of it.
Starting point is 00:42:27 She's like, yeah, you're in LA in 2008 and people are like, this is crazy. Yoga, it's like, what the fuck? Woody Allen had yoga jokes in movies from the 70s. A little girl came up to me and said, you want to go go go and I said, yogurt, probiotics, I invented bacteria. She's like, I am bacteria, actually,
Starting point is 00:42:47 let me think about it. Oh my God, anyhow, how do we get on the topic of going with palatro? I have no idea. Oh, we should have a pepper pot, that's how. Avengers. Speaking of eugenics. Wait a second, wait, are we done with our
Starting point is 00:42:58 Avengers conversation? Do we have nothing else to say? Stay about it. No, I think Thanos, I think Thanos is going to get the ass kicking that we've all been waiting for. I'm rooting for Thanos. I want Thanos to win. I want him to do the rest to the other 50% just be done with it.
Starting point is 00:43:11 And if he really wants peace in the universe, he just killed Malt. Just send it off. He isn't get it. He's gonna have to go, but you know what's gonna happen to Thanos in a thousand years, you're gonna have to come and do it again. Yeah, that's, and honestly, not even,
Starting point is 00:43:23 probably a hundred years we could all multiply. I know why bother my bother. I like the dog. Sanos only knows Sanos fucks. That's the main thing. That's the important thing. It does. But not more anymore. He actually moved to an L.O. account, which I just also did, and I guess I pretty good. Pretty good. No, it's not good, it sucks. Nothing will replace Tumblr. Tumblr's the best, and now it's gone,
Starting point is 00:43:50 and now we all have to mourn, you know, the loss of Tumblr. Okay, what were you gonna say? Social networking will all be I message group chats in the future. I'm not interested in that. I don't need the, I need services. I need to discover cool pictures, okay?
Starting point is 00:44:06 Can't discover cool pictures in your group chat. And you know who I know what I never want to do is like being a group chat or text with people. Like I just, I like a big public when I want to say something. I say it, somebody hears it at some point. I don't like being accountable to a group chat. I mean, it just like, I just don't think it's the same thing. No.
Starting point is 00:44:25 Anyway, what else? Anyway, what else? Did you hear what's happening with Huawei today? Yeah, the CFO got arrested. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't know to say. I don't look. I feel like there's some kind of like weird Trump power play.
Starting point is 00:44:41 This is something. You think so? I don't know. Something. Shady, Shady tech so? I don't know. Something. Shady tech companies is always a fascination of mine. Like the weird stuff OnePlus does or like, just like when they fake their benchmark tests, like all that stuff is always very fascinating to me.
Starting point is 00:44:59 Because we're all gonna find out. I don't know. Look, I'm looking at the verge right now. I get all the answers here. Okay, you ready? First off, they explain the Ant-Man thing in the trailer. Oh, God, which is great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:13 I'm not gonna read this. I'll read it after this, after we're done, podcasting. But also, they claim that pillow fort wants to be the new Tumblr. Never heard of pillow fort, but I can tell you it's got a terrible name. Very bad name. Pillow Fort. Pillow I can tell you it's got a terrible name. Very bad name. Oh fort.
Starting point is 00:45:27 pillow fort. Yeah, it's got a bad name. Are yourself fort or pillow, but pillow fort. Here's how I know this is going to fail. First off, it's extremely ugly. Second, it is a terrible name that nobody wants to say. And also, you feel like when you say pillow fort, you're going to end up saying fart somehow.
Starting point is 00:45:45 Fart night. Fill a port. It's not good. It's not good. Fill a port is actually a better name than pillow fort. I actually just realized that I have a really excellent, perfect, perfect URL for a Tumblr killer that I own. Are you gonna leak it?
Starting point is 00:46:01 I don't know. I'm thinking about making a Tumblr thing though. I think we should build the new tumbler. We should just I mean I'll be honest with you We have the technology I mean we have all cards tumbler but all porn there's no Not you're not if you post a picture or something that isn't porn you get banned porn blur It's the service works like this You can post porn, no child porn. If you post anything that isn't porn, lifetime ban, instantaneous lifetime ban with no, no, you can't, what's the word?
Starting point is 00:46:39 I'm looking for no appeals. We have a community review board who goes over art and decides if the art is poorly enough. That's right. If they see art, if they see a nude, if it's too artistic, you get banned. Yeah. The point needs to be the nudity, not what you have to say. It's, it just needs to be raunchy enough. Okay.
Starting point is 00:47:02 It needs to be real nasty shit. Anything dripping? launchy enough. Okay, it needs to be real nasty shit. They think dripping. Yeah, penetration or bodily fluids or GTFO. That's our that's our tagline. Penetration or bodily fluids or GTFO is how we're doing on business. In your parents' car. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:47:23 I think it's pretty good. You have eugenics. Do you know the new mortal combat? Are we going to talk about this? I want to talk about Gina-ded-ed babies. Oh fine. Who cares? We're all doomed anyhow. I don't think that we should be in a lab playing Powerpuff girls. I don't know. Look how worked out with the Powerpuff girls seems like it went pretty well. You know, so, you know, I think you're, I think you're missing the opportunity to have a better, more pure, more, more perfect race with people, okay?
Starting point is 00:47:55 Look, maybe, people are gonna say I'm all right, but what if I'm not all wrong, you know what I mean? Just kidding. I don't even know what I'm talking about at this point. That's what I wanna know. What? Can Gina and make the babies wider? Yeah. Richard Spencer's asking, um, how to save all your Tumblr porn. Now look, I guess a lot of good articles on the verge today stepping it up over there. Whoever started that
Starting point is 00:48:19 place has had whoever launched the verge should be given an award for best website of all time. No, but you know what, this is useful. What do you wanna say about mortal combat, Aleppo? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I know, I think it's like we're eating baby. They're like very tender and very crispy. And, you know, I don't know what's going on. Supposedly, there's a Chinese researcher who he used CRISPR to make a baby. I don't know anything, but I don't know about the baby. I mean, how do you disprove this?
Starting point is 00:49:06 Yeah. Well, this is like when they said they were cloning humans and then it ended up that they weren't. Anyway, there's no way to really know. I just feel like he also went missing. So he's also saying that he encoded that he altered the embryo so they would have a natural resistance to HIV. Let's take prep. Why do we have to mess with people's genetic? I mean, that's pretty interesting, but also that definitely is going to lead to a zombie. This is a zombie situation. It's like trying to cure cancer through genetic therapy. This is exactly how some kind of zombie situation gets started.
Starting point is 00:49:42 They're like, we thought we had the cure. how this has some kind of zombie situation gets started. They're like, we thought we had the cure. We thought we could make humans resist into all of the worst diseases. But what we did, it was created super fast moving, flesh hungry zombies. It's weird how there's just like the same genes, the same genes you need to alter to make somebody
Starting point is 00:50:04 impervious to HIV also weirdly makes them into a super powerful, unkillable, undead, flesh-eating machine. It's just funny that how that worked out. Got them. I think how, but you know, it's going to be something like that. It is. I don't know. I don't know though.
Starting point is 00:50:23 Probably more likely, it's like, oh yeah, no, this baby is great, but it has a four year lifespan. Yeah, I was gonna say the cloned sheep was like arthritic in like a year, right? So. Look, the universe is telling us something. It's like, good enough people. They're like, cut it out.
Starting point is 00:50:41 Yeah, they're doing the Dave Koolie thing from Full House. That's the universe is doing that. They're like cut it out. Yeah, they're doing the Dave Kool-A thing from full house That's the universe is doing that The unseen hand that moves everything in the universe aka Thanos Mark it is Thanos let me ask you a question is Thanos God now He controls he controls time he space, he controls the soul, which is fucking bullshit. He controls, I don't know what the other stones are.
Starting point is 00:51:11 Soul Stone, do. Soul Stone is like, it makes you cooler, I don't know. He's using the yoga. Yeah. It allows you into the yoga, all the yoga classes. The soul stone, I don't know, it't know, it's the most important one. I think it gives you power over life and death. All right.
Starting point is 00:51:32 Maybe. It seems like the ones that make you make fire and bend earth would be the ones that give you that power. I don't understand why. Why was the red skull hanging out with the Soul Stone? They never really explained that. Yeah, I never got it real quick. Like, he was like banished for trying to get like,
Starting point is 00:51:49 some stones, it was like banished by who? Although I do like the meme of, I protect what I cannot have or whatever. It's like Reddit moderators and like, Oh, he's like a Reddit. He's a Reddit. You're saying he's a redder. That's cool. It's cool. He's a redder in the in cell. Uh,
Starting point is 00:52:09 and that's his huge untumbler. I'm sure I love the reddit. I think it's got to be some really good renders of like Thanos fully nude, right? I'm gonna go put right now. Hold on. Sanos nude. Iraq. Take that. Oh yeah. Oh my god. Oh my goodness. Oh, I'm sorry. I guess send this over to you. This is I guess this is pretty good. Wow. I recommend everybody Googles this as soon as they can. Here's a little something for you. Enjoy Oh my god. Yeah, it's pretty realistic. I think it's extremely realistic. Yeah, it's pretty good I mean, I gotta say once you have a 3d rendered guy It's not hard to read repeat it's auto Whoo, I like this is that a weird angle. Well, Santa's nothing's been about Thanos. This is perfectly straight. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:53:06 Oh, I know. With so many levels. Um, anyhow, wow. OK. He's got the glove on and everything. It's cool. Yeah. Well, he's using that glove.
Starting point is 00:53:15 Yeah. That's great. I got to get the model of this. I got to get the model of this to use for some films that I'm working on. Anyhow, OK, where were we? I don't know. Other things I wanted to talk about.
Starting point is 00:53:28 This is a little bit old at this point, but I do think it's interesting. Sony patented a cartridge for like cartridge-based gaming like the Switch has. Oh, the Switch Six cartridges? I didn't know that. Yeah, I never really explored that. What are the two cool games?
Starting point is 00:53:44 I didn't explore that. Well, I think cartridges, and they, oh, and the interesting thing about the Switch cartridges is that they taste really bad because they're small and they don't want little kids to put them in their mouths. So they have this coating on them that makes them taste terrible.
Starting point is 00:53:56 Hmm. Anyway, Sony patented a cartridge, which leads to the belief that we're getting the next PlayStation will be some kind of hybrid like the Switch. I think it'd be so cool, I think it'd be so cool if we went back to cartridges. I Love it. I love that idea Mm-hmm. It'd be really nice if
Starting point is 00:54:14 Red Dead took two blue race. Yeah, like it'd be cool if we came up with something better than like downloads Mm-hmm You know, I actually hate download game. I hate digital games I never I never buy them if I can avoid it. Well, I like the idea of having a. You know, like a thing a physical thing. Yeah, that's what I like. I like like having it. I know I can give it to somebody. It's a keep-sake. I have all my old Nintendo cartridges, or my old Nintendo setups and like, like Sega and my whatever, and John's closet. We need all the mouth. We need like the vinyl of...
Starting point is 00:54:54 We need like the vinyl of video games. Like those paper roll-out scrolls from the 60s that they would feed into computers. What were those called? Punch cards? No, just like, well, no, it could be a cartridge. I don't know, I was into it and I don't know. It's so useful.
Starting point is 00:55:11 Hybrid console, I have to find out if it, I don't know. Here's a fucking awesome idea. You wanna hear crazy idea? Like, what would be cool is, which nobody does, you could do like limited edition games. Yeah. Where like, you could do like limited edition games. Like, where like, you could create a whole market for like, oh, there's only like 10,000 copies of this
Starting point is 00:55:31 in existence. They do that sometimes with games that become big hits on the eStore or whatever, they'll release a limited edition. Like, you can only, there's only a few thousand copies. I'm talking about like the game itself. It's like, oh, this game's super dope, but like you can't, not anybody can get it. Yeah, and like there's a you could have like literally like the supreme of games. That'd be fucking really cool. Also like I think um
Starting point is 00:55:55 I don't know there's like something to be said for that idea that like you could do maybe like smaller things you know one off, not one off, but like a sort of like little things, but like really cool little things. I don't know. But I will say like I'm excited about new game stuff because I think I was like very, I was like very unimpressed with the switch.
Starting point is 00:56:25 I was like the switch. I was like, I kind of want it, but like, I don't know why. But I have to say like, I've decided now that I think it's, there's something that's really cool about. I wish like the thing that bugs me most about the switch is like, I wish the switch was super powerful. Like, yeah, okay, so I said I wasn't going to get Pokemon, let's go.
Starting point is 00:56:42 But I got you the king of, you the king of being like, this is stupid, why would I want that? And then you're like, I bought it, I love it, I'm playing it obsessively. I actually, I don't like, I don't love it. I got it. I was a gift. It was in a choice. And I do like it, I don't hate it, I do like it. But to that point, like the graphics aren't that far from Pokemon Go on my phone.
Starting point is 00:57:04 And like so the switch is great for like, I mean, your phone, the new iPhone's probably is more powerful in the switch. Like Breath of the Wild looks good, but then, you know, you play red dead for a little bit and you're like, how can I go play this cartoon game? Like I just, yeah, so this is my, um, this is my thing. I'm saying like, why, you know, why don't we have a handheld system that's like as powerful as the PS4 Pro?
Starting point is 00:57:33 For just as powerful as a fucking iPad. Yeah, sure. I mean, I wanted to be like a full on system with all of the power. Like, it should be a thing where it's like it degrade like it has Maybe like the thing that you plug into when you're in front of your TV is like a GPU Yeah, it's an additional GPU and it goes from like yeah, it goes from like iPad level to like full on fucking Gaming PC like Xbox one. Yeah, like that would be, that would be fucking amazing. Like let's say, we have the plug-in GPUs now.
Starting point is 00:58:11 Yeah. Yes, to me, that's what Sony should do. I hope they're fucking doing it. I hope it's like the games look awesome. They're like better than iPad level graphics. But then when you plug in to your fucking TV or the base or whatever, or maybe it's even like it's just a thing that makes it larger and it's like you can choose to use it or
Starting point is 00:58:29 not. I mean, I guess it would make sense if it was a doc. When you dock it, it's like you get 4k gaming rig level quality. Yeah. Just make that Sony. Just fucking make that. Please make that. Appease everybody. Make everybody happy. It's some sick-ass cartridges. The Vita 2. Do they make a Vita 2? I think they did. Great.
Starting point is 00:58:49 I hope they taste like cookie dough. Wait, who made, what did you say about the cartridge flavors? Switch tastes, the cartridges taste awful because they want little kids to keep them out of their mouths. Why would they taste good? I don't, I mean, the S games just tasted like plastic, but these are like coated in like a horrible flavor. So I want Sony to come back and make them real tasty.
Starting point is 00:59:13 Just does a troll. I like the sounds of it. What else is happening in the world? I wanna talk about Usha, Project Usha? I mean, is there any new Fusha news, really? I mean, is there any time for this for a while I'm wondering what what the heck could be I've been playing with Android seems great I can't believe you're just now playing with Android
Starting point is 00:59:33 No, I mean I had an Android phone a while ago and I definitely knew my way in and out and I installed Android on my touchpad when I had it But that was years ago it It's it's different now. I mean I'll say. I think we're long overdue for new OSs. I think it's crazy that our OSs... It's crazy that the iPad Pro runs OS, iOS 12. And essentially an un-non-augmented version of it. It's not like, yes, underlying is iOS, but then it does all these other special things because it's a fucking 12-inch screen. It's not like it's like, yes, underlying is iOS, but then it does all these other special things because it's a fucking 12 inch screen. It's like, it's just a bigger iOS.
Starting point is 01:00:10 And like honestly, I mean, seriously, I just got the new Android 9 update for my Galaxy Note. And the Galaxy Note is doing stuff that the iPad should be doing. Like it has windows, you could move around at resize. And like, you're that Android never took off on tablets or whatever and they're doing this Chrome hybrid thing. But it's weird because iPad took off and the iPad's OS is not a computer OS. And my Android phone that I've been playing with feels way more like a computer than the iPad does.
Starting point is 01:00:43 Yeah. I mean, I just think I think that that that's the thing and I think that when you really look at the options for operating systems, like when you see what has developed, there's really been too much of a reliance on the way we've always done things. And I think that what excites me potentially about what Google's doing is there is definitely this, something that I think is interesting is that how much you can actually do with notifications versus having to go into, and this whole idea of going to apps has become,
Starting point is 01:01:24 there's parts of it that sort that don't make any sense. There are components of those apps you need at certain times in places. I think there's a really interesting way to think about OS design differently. Think about the way people use devices now and what types of devices they have and make it much less about like being in these very specific places and more like of a fluid experience. So, I don't know. You should have palm trees and windows phones and with deep integration of all the apps. You think that's what we should do? I mean, I really liked the way that the pre did it and I liked some of the ideas and windows phone of like merging all my contacts and making everything like I mean Android
Starting point is 01:02:06 Android basically does that I mean to for the most part I Mean it's different on iOS that I can't download a video and then tweet the video out Yeah, well, I mean that's iOS I mean you're on rails man everything's on rails You know you can see the scenery but you're not getting off the train, you know what I'm saying? They're getting real desperate though. They're on all these discounts and trade-in deals, and they're just trying to get people to buy these iPhone XRs,
Starting point is 01:02:32 which are, I played with one at the store because I got John and Apple Watch for the holidays. And I was like, what is, I don't even tell the difference. It's the exact same phone. Yeah, I mean, that's basically true. I mean, look, I'm just saying that we are definitely due for something new. We have not dramatically changed the way,
Starting point is 01:02:56 I mean, the iPhone pretty much changed the way we think about interacting with devices, but like that innovation was like over a decade ago and it has not been radically altered since then. You know? I just, I know we're probably rocketing our way toward the classes of some kind. I don't think so. I think it's just like, I just think it's like the devices could be a lot smarter about
Starting point is 01:03:22 how you're using them. And the underlying OS could be, I mean, like, I think one of the things. Yes, here is bad. I mean, but forget, I mean, to think you, I think beyond that, it's just like, there's like situational awareness. There's sort of like, there's like all this awareness, like geographic and time of day and where you are, like, you work or you at home, like, and then there's all sorts of, like, there's so many more signals that you're giving your devices, and there's so few of those signals are actually used,
Starting point is 01:03:50 you know? And the other thing is that I think, you've to remember that all the stuff is basically built on Unix, you know? And is there something, maybe this is what Fuchsia is taking us to? You know, is there something, yeah, that I think that's, yes, that's possible.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Hurry up, Googs. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon. What's the deal? When is this gonna happen? I don't know, I just heard that they were testing devices at a couple of conferences recently and like people saw in passing that they were doing some funky stuff.
Starting point is 01:04:21 Yeah, I mean, they're definitely doing some things. Whoa, well, I just started the're definitely doing some things. Whoa. Well, I just started the video about Fuchsia while we were talking. What does it say? I don't know, it's like a demo of it. But it's not a real thing yet. So it's a demo of some weird test environment that doesn't really do anything.
Starting point is 01:04:39 You know what I mean? Yeah, it doesn't look like, I mean, it just kinda looks like Android. Yeah, it's like a fancy Android. I don't know, it doesn't look like, I mean, it just kind of looks like Android. Yeah, it's like a fancier Android. I don't know. It's like, I know what it's doing. It seems good though. I'm into it. Get cool animations. Post Malone. Got a Grammy nominee. Oh, Post Malone got a Grammy nomination. He earned it, you know.
Starting point is 01:05:02 He earned it. You, you assisted. that was a heavy assist from the balls. I did a lot of writings. Did a lot of, I was like, listen, don't leave this guy hanging. Oh, and Marvel canceled all its Netflix shows except Jessica Jones. Well, they were bad, weren't they? Let's be honest.
Starting point is 01:05:17 It's terrible. I couldn't even finish Jessica Jones. I was like, I don't know, I just couldn't get into it. I liked Jessica Jones, but I understand why people did. I heard there was going to be a Loki, and I don't know, some spin-off thing. Scarlet Witch. Scarlet Witch and Loki?
Starting point is 01:05:37 Yeah, they're doing that Disney play service or whatever. I don't know, I'd watch that I guess. Yeah, I mean, they're gonna get our money just for the Star Wars series along. It was a Star Wars series. I don't know, I haven't seen Solo yet. Yeah, I mean, they're gonna get our money just for the Star Wars series along. It was a Star Wars series. I don't know. I haven't seen solo yet. So I was thinking about watching it last night. I almost watched it. I downloaded a ton of movies that like just came out and I was like, I'm gonna line all these up and I'm ready to I'm ready to rumble. Yeah, and I even had like the inkling. I gotta see a star is born still. Oh, you gotta see a star is born. I know, but I just don't want to... That's a good movie.
Starting point is 01:06:07 I need somebody to just give it to me. All right. I don't have time to go to the theater, you know. The theater. What busy man. What busy man. All right. Anything else?
Starting point is 01:06:21 Is that it? Is that a show? Oh, we've got nice things and also a plug that if you want to come work at the outline, check out our greenhouse board. Yes, let me clarify actually. We're hiring. There are some job openings at the outline, but there's also some job openings for something new, a new project, which you can work with Ryan. But also me. You can work with me. More importantly, Ryan, if you're a technology journalist, a technology writer, a news writer in the tech space,
Starting point is 01:06:51 I encourage you to reach out. You like writing posts? You got me on posts? Do you love the internet? Do you love internet culture? Do you love phone? Do you love technology? No, yeah, no, if you do in all seriousness and you're listening to this you should
Starting point is 01:07:07 Check out the online jobs board I've got some interesting stuff coming up and Yeah, what else what was the other thing? Oh nice things nice thing mine's gonna just give me this picture of Thanos and I racked Thanos extremely detailed a vany picture fan us. It's extremely detailed and vany picture. Blankets, those woven blankets that you get pictures printed on made up for you. Please, please, this is our do. I've already seen some limited edition merch. What's the like, what is the policy on that? Like, you know, like, do we get sued? Would they even touch it? Would Marvel touch it? We could call it parody, right?
Starting point is 01:07:46 I don't know. You wanna do your nice things? My nice thing is the Underprone brules is back. Oh, God. Better than ever. Locked and reloaded on pasta and cocaine. Wow. It's really good.
Starting point is 01:07:58 It's definitely worth a watch. And I super smash brothers is taking over my brain. I'm thinking about mine, it should I get it? At it, we could play online. You see, it's just a fighting game though, man. Yeah. There's a, like a single player story mode, that's supposedly pretty good, but it is just fighting.
Starting point is 01:08:18 I mean, I'm open to the idea. I don't hate the idea. Is that it? Is that it? Those are your likes. Those are your likes. Those are my likes. That's it. And let's go Eevee.
Starting point is 01:08:27 I mean, let's go Eevee. What? I like the little Pokeball. I like the little ball I got with it. What is that? Oh, oh, oh, oh, the Pokemon game. Yeah, I like that. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:08:39 I'll take my likes. We got a new trivial pursuit for Hanukkah. We played that last night. Pretty good. I gotta say, trivial pursuit's a great game. We played that last night. Pretty good. I got to say, trivial pursuit is a great game. Everybody should play it. I'm thinking about getting that I want to get that there's a version for families. It says eight and not, but I think Zelda can think she can hack it. You know, per coach. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:57 It was the one that I recommended yogurt yogurt to go and found it right. Yogurt and yoga actually. She was like, have you heard of yoga? When it happened, I was like, I invented you. She's like, I created the universe and everything in it. You can call me Thanos, I am your god, man. Yeah. Let me see, what are my things?
Starting point is 01:09:18 Oh, it's always something I bought. I feel so like I'm such a horrible, like, capitalistic pig. Well, one is, I just wanna say, true. It's great. And it's wonderful to play a board game and not be on the internet. It's super fun. I recommend everybody that everybody, I recommend everybody to do it. I recommend it for everybody. I'm not really sure how to say this. I want everyone to do it. Um, and, uh, oh my God, I got a weighted blanket. Do we talk about this?
Starting point is 01:09:47 Another hunk of gift. I got a weighted blanket and it is so good. It changes the game. It is truly one of the most, honestly, I feel like when I put the weighted blanket on me, I can feel muscles relaxed in my body that I normally never relax. It's like a big hug.
Starting point is 01:10:05 Like I feel like I can feel like my back, like decompressing in a way that like it never does. Yeah, I highly recommend getting yourself away to blanket in these trying times. I think we all could use an artificial hug from an inanimate object. It's finally Temple Grandens world and we're all just living in it. Yeah, and I think I don't know that's it.
Starting point is 01:10:29 I guess that's it. French 75, so already said that before. I continue to love and enjoy French 75. Oh, and I really liked, I used, we had our holiday party and I used an app called Pace Maker, which is on your iPad and it does a bunch of auto DJing for you and you can integrate it with Spotify. It is so useful and great and easy to use and
Starting point is 01:10:52 drunk with me could make it all work and sound great. Yeah, I had a fun. You did a great job. We had a holiday party and also our two-year anniversary. I should say, having birthday to the outline, it turned two on December 5th. We had our two- year birthday party slash holiday party in Chinatown, and it was super fun, Ryan DJed. And I think I wanna do more events.
Starting point is 01:11:16 Like I think we're gonna do some more event things and like invite people, more people to them. Maybe do a live tomorrow or something. Invite the fans. Do some giveaways, free drinks. Yeah. You know, it could be fun. We'll give away a weighted blanket and some Thanos prints. I'm loving it.
Starting point is 01:11:34 Absolutely loving it. All right, we should wrap up. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It's been a great one, but I gotta get this party started. All right. My French 75 party. Well that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more. And as always,
Starting point is 01:12:13 I wish you and your family the very best, though I've just heard that Thanos is coming for your family, and I don't mean to do the snap.

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