Tomorrow - 154: A Momo Like This

Episode Date: March 11, 2019

This week saw the rise of Momo, an onslaught of Robyn fans, and some identical hipster twins. So, naturally, Josh and Ryan are going to need your help getting through it. Along the way, we'll cancel M...ichael Jackson, come up with an ideal scenario for the future of gaming, and perhaps even high-five Kelly Clarkson. Set your Facebook to private, autograph your bible, and download PS4 Remote Play. It's time for episode 154. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Josh Wittipolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss Momo, Robin, and the Bible. I don't waste one minute. Let's get right into it. Alright Ryan, we're back. It's another...it's been another week. It's been another... You know what I did this week? Very excited, I went to my first, I was, for my first ever time in a Patagonia store. Oh, you went to Patagonia.
Starting point is 00:00:53 Patagucci, as they call it, which is like the best like disc, like sub name for a brand ever in the history of anything. Yeah. Also, Patagucci, like Patagonian Gucci should definitely get together and do a combo move, do a supreme style thing. Patagonian apparently has a lot of super principle and they are believing trying to save the country and trying to save the planet.
Starting point is 00:01:20 My parents are super REI under armor people. like REI for like nice stuff, but otherwise like everything's gotta be functional. Like my mom likes like, at leisure and my dad likes like, like I could go outside in this clothes. And my brothers are like that too. I was never obviously like that. I like my clothes to be like gimmicky and like memes. But my brother started buying a ton of Patagonia and I was like, I see the natural progression
Starting point is 00:01:43 here. Like I see one day soon, y'all help like graduate to like acne or something and yeah, exactly. No man, I mean, I'm just saying like, I don't know, I will say this, I've never been in one of their stores. They're nice, it's nice stuff. They have some really cool, I got almost bought a Fanny Pack
Starting point is 00:02:03 because they have a really awesome color way of one of their like fan do you call them fanny packs? I don't know what people are calling them these days. Yeah, you can't make that back I mean, let's say in the UK like I'm not and then what do you call a vagina pack? Wow anyhow, but that has nothing to do with what's been going on in the news But it was I've been traveling this week. I was in LA and I was in Portland And and I was in Portland which seems like the right place to go to a Patagonia, but it was also just near. I went to Powell's books.
Starting point is 00:02:29 Have you ever been there, a Palestinian of books? No. It is like the biggest bookstore. I've seen photos of it. It's so, first of all, it's fucking overwhelming, more than anything. But it's also awesome. Also, the whole time I was there,
Starting point is 00:02:42 I was like, oh, I'm definitely gonna get measles, because there's a measles outbreak in Portland and also the state senator of Portland was interviewed by Vice and she's like, yeah, the measles vaccine causes more trouble than measles. She's like, at least that's what my constituents tell me. It's like, God. It's like, cool, your job is not to just listen
Starting point is 00:03:00 to the people that you govern and be like, okay, whatever you want. Your job is to listen to them and then figure out what's best for everybody and then do that. That's like every few, I wanna say every 18 months, there's a breakout of meningitis in gay bars and every person goes and gets vaccines. And I was like, you could tell that this is a community
Starting point is 00:03:19 that suffered a plague because nobody, there's never any blowback against vaccines. Like, we're thrilled that there's no. I'm sorry. The anti-vaccine is crazy. People who are not going to change. Those are people who never experienced a plague. They've never experienced a plague.
Starting point is 00:03:32 No, I mean, it's true. People who are not vaccinated and their kids should be in fucking jail. There's literally zero science, zero none that backs up the claims of the anti-vaccine in fact all of the science has the opposite and it is truly mind-boggling to me. The only thing that changes their minds is when their child is terminally ill and they're like, I'm glad you're back.
Starting point is 00:03:52 There was just this story about this kid who it costs almost a million dollars to save him because he didn't have his tetanus vaccination. And then his parents are like, yeah, we're gonna keep him vaccinating him. Jesus Christ. It's like, I'm sorry. That's what you're doing. It's called child abuse.
Starting point is 00:04:05 And you should be in jail for it. No, like a couple of people who have to manage HIV. And then you go to your doctor, you learn a lesson about how thankful we should be for the chance at modern medicine and how hard you need to work to maintain your health and body. And then you go to a doctor and you say, hi, what do vaccines can you get as an adult?
Starting point is 00:04:24 And they give you a round of vaccines. And then guess what, you are vaccinated against hepatitis. You won't get hepatitis. It's crazy. It's a shot. No, I asked my mother. I was like, I got the measles vaccine, right? And she's like, yeah. And I was like, thinking how crazy it is, like, I got a measles vaccine when I was a kid
Starting point is 00:04:39 and I'm like, vaccinated against a bad, really bad disease now. Like, I'm good. Anyhow, everybody should go listen to this podcast, we'll kill you, and it will scare the shit out of you and make you so thankful that we don't have the chance of getting dengue fever because of the CDC. Listen, I was having this debate with somebody, and people were talking about about getting, finding a way to get people to come around on ideas, political ideas, or whatever, or climate change. How do we tell people what the real stuff is and what the good stuff is?
Starting point is 00:05:17 All you need is a tiny blurb to come up under the conspiracy theory video on YouTube. That gives quantum contact. Somebody was like, oh, you just need to, you know, if you just point them to, if you can find a way to point them to the right story as well. You can, you can, it's like, no, the problem is that like confirmation bias. No, I mean, I said, somebody was like, I was like, yeah, Trump's like, whenever, whenever AOC was like, yeah, he's a racist. I was like, yeah, this is, he's definitely a racist.
Starting point is 00:05:40 And some, somebody responded and they're like, what are you talking about? Like, there's no evidence of that. And I was like, yeah, here's this New York Times story about how he had his people write a C for colored on their rental forms at his real estate business, which he was taken to federal court for twice and had to settle. And they're like, oh, yeah, the New York Times.
Starting point is 00:06:00 It's like, okay, well, nothing is good enough. If you can't read, if you can't read the New York Times on a story that is like fact-based, like you can go find the files, it wasn't like a secret mystery that happened. It was like a thing that actually occurred. There are like, there are court filings, there is paperwork, you know?
Starting point is 00:06:16 It's like if you can't believe that, then what's the, then you can't, then there's no, there is no like central repository of information that people will listen to or pay attention to. It's like you cannot convince people because now there's just like, you know, it's turtles all the way down. I mean, there's like, there's a scientist somewhere who will tell you that there's a doctor, a scientist who's obviously like not credible,
Starting point is 00:06:38 but it doesn't matter who will give you a really scientifically sound, a totally reasonable version of why you shouldn't vaccinate your kids. And people are like, okay, like, and also if there wasn't, people would say it was a giant conspiracy that science exists. Yeah, not scientifically sound, not scientifically sound,
Starting point is 00:06:56 something that sounds scientifically sound, okay. Like, and people eat it up. I mean, I remember talking to somebody who's an evangelical Christian, and they're talking about the age of the planet and they were telling me about all these books that were written by all these scientists and doctors and you know people who studied you know archaeology who do you have like have evidence that the earth is like 6,000 years old or something it's like okay. But don't you think it's a matter of not even just finding those people before they are gobbled up by those beliefs and then spend their lives doubling down on wrong information.
Starting point is 00:07:25 I think it's a matter of like mental health, making people feel like a part of the like science classes and education making you feel like you can hands on be a part of this and understand how the scientific method works. So that when you're an adult, you can trust that that's what scientists are doing. And they're not just coming up with secret cabals to like steal your money like like yeah I mean for sure but but I mean you've got to get people out of the clutches of like I don't know how you solve an adult that's like that like you know what I mean like the deep brainwashing process you hear about these people who I mean I've seen stories about people who are like, you know, I was a Nazi and then I realized like everything I had been raised to believe was wrong.
Starting point is 00:08:10 And I've not- But the thing is, those deep brainwashing programs always start with someone having some sort of, like every time I watch like a layer eminion on Scientology in the aftermath or like a documentary about occult, it always starts with some kind of disillusionment.
Starting point is 00:08:24 There's always a spark of like, I don't know. And that, or a close family relationship that you like lost, and that's only like 10% of the time, does anyone choose their mother over a cult. It always starts with some kind of disillusionment, and then you can deprogram them because there's like a willingness there. But a lot of those people,
Starting point is 00:08:43 they just, there is no point at which they become disillusioned or it becomes so buried down because of trauma and baggage that it's not about like, it's not about like the sunk cost fallacy at that point. It becomes about like their brains are not processing like information correctly. And even, and if you wanted to fix that, they would think you were trying to brainwash them instead of D brainwash them. And you just end up in this fucking violent scenario. And I'm starting to think that like Fox News may have so successfully used its cult, like, like, cult, like abilities to create a situation in which Trump is signing people's
Starting point is 00:09:19 bibles that we are at a breaking point where like, I don't know how we turn back the clock on that kind of like crazy Like without a violent yeah world war two-sales scenario and even then a lot of Germans walked away being like I kind of thought Hitler had some good idea like for real Yeah, and I'm starting to think like he's signing Bibles at that point He is on some kind of holy spiritual level for these people, and I don't know how to fix that. I don't know how you tell them, like, if you believe in God in Jesus and you super believe in this book, you think this guy is on a level with them that you just signed in the Bible? No, I mean, that's the shit, man, that is like the most perplexing of all of this is like,
Starting point is 00:10:03 no, I mean, it's just caught. Just people are just like, you know, you see what you wanna see, you hear what you wanna hear. And they just, they just, they don't have blinders on. They're just, they are just like, like, I don't see it. It's like the people who voted for Trump, and not that we don't have to have a politics, you know, like for, I mean,
Starting point is 00:10:18 there's a lot of other stuff to talk about. I mean, it's certainly, but like, but like, the people who voted for Trump are like, I'm not racist. It's like, okay, I hear you and maybe you believe that, but like you're voting for like really super racist policies in a racist way of thinking. And like, if you now have heard him and seen his policies
Starting point is 00:10:36 and you still don't think, like, I mean, if you still don't think that his policies and his position is racist, then you're, then you're like me. Well, it's like Megan McKean. Megan McKean doesn't like the way that he talks. So I agree with fucking everything he says. I haven't fallen.
Starting point is 00:10:50 I am nearly the least trustworthy people in the world are people who claim to be against Trump, but will like stand behind Trump. They're the worst of the worst. Like this Ben Shapiro does this. He's like, he's like, I don't agree with his tactics or I don't just this, that, the other thing. But I like that he moved the Jerusalem embassy to Jerusalem or whatever, or to Tel Aviv or where the fucking, you know, it's like, it's stuff like that. It's like, well, I, you know, it's like, oh, I just gonna hold my nose and it's like, you're gonna hold your nose about like just all of these like completely insane
Starting point is 00:11:26 racist, sexist, shitty. I mean, beyond that, beyond all of that, like the guys also just criminal. Like just like, no. Caitlin Jenner's entire second season of her show was her with a bunch of whip trans women of color going around meeting people, hearing their stories, hearing in very clear terms how Republican policies
Starting point is 00:11:43 have hurt them, how conservative policies, outside of even just trans LGBTQ stuff, outside of just race-relation stuff, just basic economic policies which have racist and transphobic consequences, basic health care policies that have transphobic consequences, military policies, and over and over again saying things like the idea of like capitalism is great, the free market will solve everything, doesn't help the trans community. She heard these stories in tears would be like, I hear you and still stood behind them because it's like a religion at that point where you're like, but I have faith in capitalism
Starting point is 00:12:15 and I have faith in corporations and I have faith. You know what I mean? I have faith in America and nationalism and at a certain point like you just, they only hear you being anti-American when you say things like America is not exceptional. It is a place like a lot of other places and a lot of people all everyone around the world has equal dignity and a lot of people have other Ideas and they're equal dignity and their other ideas are working out better for them And maybe we should listen to some of the evidence. They just hear you're saying America doesn't have the best ideas. And it just becomes like, and I have had this conversation with family members, I have had this conversation with strangers.
Starting point is 00:12:51 I mean, and it gets to a point where I mean, it was the couple in Fort Lauderdale that I talked about last week that were like, yeah, I was wrong to vote for him, but they still stand behind some of these ideas. And if you point out how they're part of a continuum that isn't working, they start picking and choosing because they have to believe. Yeah, it's truly wild. All right, let's talk about some of the dance. Yeah, let's get to move on.
Starting point is 00:13:13 This is a nightmare. It's a nightmare. Well, you want to get on the subway and sing some Robin? I do. Maybe yeah, big viral video going around. We were talking about Robin's new album, which you don't care for I don't know I found it to be forgettable's how I describe it, but um
Starting point is 00:13:29 But we were taking my robin generally and I don't know they're all singing like a dance in dancing I'm out on my own And I feel like there's like a couple of robin songs here because I was like yes We stand this robin song and then it's like but what about the rest of our catalog you don't hear a lot about it. I mean that's a lot of pop stars though. I guess especially like lower level pop stars not lower like B or C less pop stars the non-beyondsays even beyond say everybody goes to the single ladies and the to the left to the left and the you know what I mean. Wow. Nobody not a ton of like pick so many hits though from the Beyonce JZ album like we're not nobody's out here singing that or like 7-11 nobody's I mean 7-11 the the vast majority of people are not but well maybe not the vast majority
Starting point is 00:14:14 I don't really know Beyoncé has a lot of hits though way more than Robin or more than Robin I mean she Robin takes 20 years to turn out an album Robin takes 20 years to turn out in hell. But yeah, it's weird because I just feel like we're in a place now with pop music where people don't want big choruses. Kind of like Royals, I saw this, Todd and the Shadows did a video about Seven Rings, which I really liked, which was about how Royals kind of broke pop music by calling out that the Emperor has no clothes. The party didn't mean anything and it was really fake, and it was a lot of...
Starting point is 00:14:46 So you're talking about Lord? Yeah, a lot of people were singing songs about wealth and partying and stuff, and stuff that they couldn't really access because we're all such, like, there's huge wealth disparity. And so when Lord kind of called that out in a really authentic way, then you got all those photo copies of Lord,
Starting point is 00:15:03 like Halsey and Haley Seinfeld, who I like on his songs. And this, who is girl, what is her name? What is her name? Everybody's talking about her. She can be the next big thing. Billy Eilish. Oh, Billy Eilish, yeah. Is that her name?
Starting point is 00:15:15 Yeah, and she's like, she's like 14. She's like a 14 like a hot topic, like Goth, Raver. We're just an accurate between like Madonna dance music of the 80s and then like spice girls come in and it's a party. You have a theory you were just telling me before we started. Yeah, I think I think it's going to be a big party. I think right now Trump is in office. It's like when Bush was in office.
Starting point is 00:15:40 It's like when like HW or Reagan was in office and we're slowly like getting more and more depressed and like like it doesn't feel Seven rings doesn't it's a fun song with a cool hook that's the nostalgic Now I think it flex. I think it's I think it's perfect that that song was plagued by you know claims of appropriation and like kind of weird racism and But like from a tattoo It's packed with but like from a tattoo standpoint. It's packed with hooks and like, but the problem is like when Cardi B Flexes,
Starting point is 00:16:08 it's like yeah, she was a stripper a few years ago and this was not guaranteed to her. When Arianna does it, like she was a millionaire from Boca Ratan, whose brother was on Broadway before she got her Nickelodeon show at 12 and it's kind of weird to hear her be like, I want it, I got it. It's like, yeah, you always had it.
Starting point is 00:16:22 Like you could always buy whatever you want. It's not like, it's not an overcoming story. So I think when once we feel like we've overcome something, we'll have like a TikTok, we'll come out, or like a Gaga. There will be a moment when we all have like a pop party. Like TikTok, you mean the Kesha song? Yeah. Yeah, you can't really listen to that anymore though.
Starting point is 00:16:42 No, you can think about it as Dr. Luke. Yeah, I know that's what to that anymore though. No, you can think about it. Dr. Luke. Yeah, I know. That's what talks about Kim Petrus. Yeah. Kim Petrus has got great little songs, but they're all by Dr. Luke, so it's hard to like... I just saw a story actually, Michael Jackson, the Simpsons episode with Michael Jackson had pulled from circulation.
Starting point is 00:16:57 Leaving Neverland, Archelley thing on International Women's Day. I was looking at that Archelley interview on the subway and I tweeted like, can men, you know, cut it out or whatever? And then I was like, it's literally International Women's Day. It is, it is. Check it out. James L. Brooks, the producer of The Simpsons said to the Wall Street Journal, this was a treasured episode.
Starting point is 00:17:18 There are a lot of great memories we have wrapped up in that one and this certainly doesn't allow them to remain. I'm against book burning of any kind, but this is our book and we're allowed to take a chapter, take out a chapter. I mean, that's it. Michael Jackson has been officially after many, many years, he has been officially canceled. Did you watch, leaving Neverland?
Starting point is 00:17:35 I can't watch it. I can't. I can't, not because I don't want to or don't believe it. I mean, I, yeah, you're like my dad with kids, stuff, and not. The fucking problem is one is, we've always known this. The truth is, like, it's like to, I, yeah, you're like my dad with kids stuff. No, the fucking problem is one is we've always, we've always known this. The truth is like it's like to, like, I look, I'm in no position and I have no power over like what happens
Starting point is 00:17:51 with the public reaction of Michael Jackson. I think deep down when the first, I think we all knew when the first, you know, charges were, were leveled against him, everybody was kind of like, yeah, this sort of checks out, like, you know, I don't want to like find somebody guilty before they have a trial, but like, you kind of were like, okay, yeah, there is a lot of weird shit going on here and he did nothing to like downplay it. But like, I know that there's very, I mean, I know that what they discuss in leaving Neverland is quite graphic. And I frankly like it's very graphic. It's extremely consistent with like model pedophile behavior.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Yeah. It's also they lay out a situation that these families were going through, that Michael was going through, that the world was going through, that like culturally we were in this moment of how easy it was for this to happen. And anyone who walks away from those, that document, I mean, I clawed myself out of a really bad. I went off of my antidepressants for a week just for a like to switch medications. And I was in a really like I knew it was coming.
Starting point is 00:18:51 I was in a bad moment. And I clawed myself out of it. And then of course the first thing I did was turn on the documentary. And no, I was just gonna say, like I sound that I do wanna, I do wanna watch it. There's two things that are really stopping me. One is like as a parent, it's very hard for me to hear
Starting point is 00:19:06 or think about graphic child abuse. I mean, just like, it's just like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm gonna watch a movie in which like kids are banned. No, no, no, no, it's become, yeah, any movie or anything where there is a kid threatened in any way has become like 50 times as horrendous. But also, I just like, I know it's going to be just an unbelievable
Starting point is 00:19:29 downer and there's two things, like one, it's like, I don't have, you don't have to convince me that Michael Jackson was a bad person, we should cancel the fuck out of him. It's like, if, if, if now everybody has, has the proof and we're like, I mean, I've been on, I mean, I've been, I'm not like walking around going like, you know, he's the greatest ever, you can, you can never tear down his legacy. I mean, the guy's obviously was a fucking monster, but it's like, I just don't think I can handle. I mean, it's just like a fucking downer, no offense,
Starting point is 00:19:58 but it's just a downer and I don't know how many more downers I can handle right now. It was a downer and I was in a really bad place when I watched it, but I will say, I don't have many more downers I can handle right now. It was a downer and I was in a really bad place. You don't say it. You don't say it. But I will say it did give me hope, especially after Neverland panel with Lowell Bra, that HBO did, really give me hope because we're now in a place where we can at least some of us can have sophisticated conversations about how this happened and how we can prevent
Starting point is 00:20:22 it and how these patterns of behavior don't look, how you think that they're gonna look, and children a lot of the time when they're abused, it doesn't feel like abuse to them. And they get really defensive of this person because it doesn't feel bad. It's abuse and it's gonna screw them up. But in the moment, it's not like,
Starting point is 00:20:39 it's like rape isn't always violent, and these pedophile set traps so that children feel loyal to them and beholden to them. Of course, they lie on the stand when they're 20 years old because they're not old enough or sophisticated enough and they're out of it enough to understand what happened to them. It gave me hope that we could have a conversation where we say like, I remember the first
Starting point is 00:21:00 round of allegations and Michael Jackson was Waco, Jack O'Hoon, it was a joke. Then I remember my teen years coming around to defend him because I remember thinking, we were making fun of him for being a weirdo or a feminine or reclusive or childlike. Right. And I, as a feminine, weirdo teen who loved art and music was like, oh, that's why my dad hates him. He thinks he's weird, but he's not weird.
Starting point is 00:21:24 He was just like a kid and he liked kid things. And like, when you say to people, he built an amusement park. It's like you have to use that as evidence that he was trying to lure kids, not that he's a weirdo who owns an amusement park. Because when I was a teenager, I was like, I would do anything. That's gonna be my adulthood.
Starting point is 00:21:36 I'll build an amusement park. Right. And I remember defending him because I thought, this is racism because we do this to black men, especially black men that look effeminate. We shame them so much harder than we do white men or people who look and draw genus. And when you make the conversation about like Waco Jaco and his plastic surgeries, it makes people who get plastic surgeries or are weird want to defend him for that.
Starting point is 00:21:58 It's sort of like the OJ scenario where like he clearly did this, but because you have marginalized groups that are like this, yeah, he was the victim, right? His father beat him and all this shit. Yeah, you just need to cut off your like for somebody. It is off the rails. You need to be able to be like, oh yeah, I like their songs. Oh yeah, I like his style.
Starting point is 00:22:19 I love the way he dances. I really like Hannah and her sister. But you can be like Woody Allen, the pedophile. You can fucking like it, but you also need to be able to dismiss that person as based on like reality. And you know what? I said this a thousand times. I was watching the documentary
Starting point is 00:22:34 because John came in for the second half and I said so many times, all of this because he can sing and dance. I love art. I have devoted my life to art. Nothing is as important. No art is as important as a child safety. And we cannot make excuses for someone because of the moonwalk. But I will just say like it is.
Starting point is 00:22:55 You know, I think the tough part is like how much room we're willing to give somebody who's art we appreciate or we love. I mean, the women are throwing their panties that are Kelly as he comes out of the courtroom. Well, that's just crazy. But like, it's different when like you're not, I mean, it's different when you are a, an adult who's making a decision versus like, basically a child who's being coerced and forced. I mean, and like, as an adult, you can be like, it's
Starting point is 00:23:25 easy to not think about the way things are or to ignore them or frankly to deny them. I don't know what would possess a person to throw their panties at our kelly at this point, but like, what does that those moms to be like, all right, my son is sitting alone. Okay. So that's one of the other things is that, I feel like I will seriously want to throw my remote through the television while watching the moms try to talk about, try to talk about the reasons why it seemed okay to be like, yeah, Michael Jackson's gonna sleep in his room tonight
Starting point is 00:23:58 or whatever, but not in the bed. It's like, I don't know, dude, he's like 40. You know, I'm sorry, like it's that's not. If that was any other man except for this pop star who has been in your living room for a few years, you would have been like, what the fuck know? Like, oh, the man down the street who built an amusement park in his yard and wants to sleep in the bed with children and like hang out with them alone and gets mad if I try to take them back. Like, you would be like, uh, fuck no, you're going home. So, what else is going on?
Starting point is 00:24:27 On a lighter note, let's talk about that hipster. So there is a guy, a hipster. Yeah, so there's a story. Yeah, there's a story. No, he didn't suit. Oh, he complained. There's a story in MIT Technology Review. The hipster effect, why anti-conformist always
Starting point is 00:24:43 end up looking the same. And it basically was based on a study that said like all hipsters look the same. It has a stylized picture of a guy. It's a getty stock photo. And I dude wrote to them. He wrote to the mag, so you wrote to MIT technology, you said, you're like a basic journalism ethics in both the manner which you reported this uncredited nonsense
Starting point is 00:25:06 and the slanderous unnecessary use of my picture without permission demands a response. And I am of course pursuing legal action because he thought it was a picture of him. And then yes, he thought it was a picture of him. And then it turns out it was not a picture of him. It was a picture of a guy who looks just like him, which is like an insane thing that like proves the article.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Yeah. You know, he was like really mad. He's like, how dare you? At first, I've hated the article, but then he also was like, how dare you use my image. There's an interview on CBC from Canadian Radio. And it's an interview with the editor of the MIT Technology Review. And the last question is, but if this was a sort of iconic image of a hipster, and somebody who was angry at the adiabini
Starting point is 00:25:53 accuser being a hipster says, it's not him. What does it say about hipsters? And the guy says, I think it says what the study says, which is that all hipsters look alike. Or hipsters all look alike. I think it's just funny. It is very funny. I mean, I think this goes for everything,
Starting point is 00:26:08 which is bad. Yeah, I was gonna say I feel like it's very cyclical with like every girl contours to change the shape of her face to look more like Kim Kardashian. And then every little girl gets all filler. And then they all look the same. And then one of her is crazy. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Yeah. And they stand out. It's like the dad bod thing. Everybody wanted a perfect body. Then someone was like, nah, I kind of like my soft bod. And everyone was like, look at that guy and his confidence soft bod. Then everybody was like, I got a dad bod. And then that was out. The same thing with shaving your face. Then everybody had a beard. Now everybody's doing this, that and the other thing. It just keeps, it's like a cycle. Yeah. And I think it's just not worth
Starting point is 00:26:40 chasing those trends. I think it's like, and the plastic surgery things really interesting, because like all everybody's collapsing into look basically like Chris Jenner. Like, I mean, what's happening? All of the Kardashians and all of the Jenners are basically turning into the mom because they're all getting the same, like it's weird,
Starting point is 00:26:55 but they're all getting the same work done. And it's like flattening all of their features to look basically uniform and that, and because like, I, my brain identifies like that kind of plastic surgery with an older person. Oh yeah, I that, and because, like, my brain identifies like that kind of plastic surgery with an older person. Oh yeah, I mean, this is, this is, if you ever watch Bravo, it's funny because the older wives
Starting point is 00:27:13 and the younger wives are very hard to tell the difference between, some of the housewives are 29 and some of them are 69. Yeah, it's weird, but they have the same older person plastic surgery done. It's like people don't realize they're actually aging themselves through plastic surgery. They look like an older person who's had plastic surgery look younger. It is.
Starting point is 00:27:33 The beard is part of the problem with the hipster picture going back to the original point, which is like, I think the beard, you know, look a beard is like basically just, I mean, it's a beard that covers your face. So that makes it harder to identify. Like, when you're dying, you're beard and your hair because you don't want graze and you're all using one of four shades available at the drug store. Everyone looks the same. Yeah. I, you know what? I, um, I often think about how much my glasses in my beard are like my face. And if I want to just disappear, I can definitely shave, take
Starting point is 00:27:59 these glats off. And I'm like, boom, when the CIA wants to make someone like really look different, they change like four or five things that are easy to change, but uncommon that people decide to change. And they can make it so that like 90% of the population couldn't recognize them after a 10-minute encounter. It's very interesting. And I think what's weird with men now is men starting to get filler
Starting point is 00:28:23 and starting to like do stuff like that. I get a lot of people make fun of me for my red hair, but it's like at least I picked a different, like so many men now are doing like that, like sandy, light brown with a beard and it's all combed over to the side with that same like hipster haircut. They got their airpods and they're wearing the same outfit. I don't know, I sound a little JD-Salenger, but everybody's kind of doing the same thing and it's icky. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, I sound a little JD-Salenger, but everybody's kind of doing the same thing, and it's icky. Yeah, yeah, I don't like it.
Starting point is 00:28:48 Anyhow, you know, just be yourself. That's what I say, except don't be yourself. Be yourself. Read theoutline.com and about why. Leah wrote a great piece, which everybody should read. I dropped it on my piece. Be yourself is horrible, bad advice, and it's true and honestly, it's funny because like when I met Leah When when we first started talking about her working at the outline before the outline was a thing
Starting point is 00:29:13 You know she had come off of this situation this thing at Gokka, which is where just everything imploded and she was a big part of like the very visible sort of implosion and it was like live tweeting meetings and it was just like just going for it and Leo had like a reputation people are like, oh Leo's like she will fucking like burn you to the ground. I mean it took me like till two months ago and I've known Leo for a while before I was like, oh that isn't who she is anymore but she really was that person. But it definitely was like, I mean we talked about it a lot when we first met and she actually encapsulated a lot of what I mean, we talked about it a lot when we first met, and she actually encapsulated a lot of what I feel like I heard from her.
Starting point is 00:29:48 I mean, it's just like, honestly, it is like a really awesome piece of self-reflection and makes me long for having more self-awareness and frankly, like a therapist. Well, the thing that's like being yourself, being like an unfiltered version of yourself is monstrous. That's why people who are like, I have no filter are always like you're an asshole. Yeah, you're an asshole because filters are good.
Starting point is 00:30:10 Filters know in a parent's self. Your inherent self includes the filter you create. That's fucking Twitter. That's fucking Twitter, man. That's the whole problem with like the internet as it's arranged right now, which is like we think like we we it's like people are like, here's a platform where you can say what's on your mind. It's like, but no, don't say what's on your mind. Like, it's not necessary for us to hear what's on your mind all the time.
Starting point is 00:30:28 And like, you shouldn't hear what's on my mind all the time. And like, my worst moments on the internet have been when I've said things that are on my mind that did not need to be said out loud. You know, it's like, I think horrible shit all the time and then I don't say it. It's like, I think horrible things about people that I love. And I'm like, that's a horrible thought.
Starting point is 00:30:43 I don't fucking say it out loud. And I move on and I stop thinking about it. It's like, you're not supposed to just be unfiltered. Well, it's not a binary choice where it's like, either I'm fake and I conform to a constructive version of myself or everything I think and say is valid and I should say it all because that's being me. Like creating a filter for yourself that you think
Starting point is 00:31:02 makes your social relationships easier and makes you able to contain some of your thoughts to their in a better place, for you either present them or develop them. It's sort of like drag where it's like the whole idea that like putting on drag is the inauthentic thing and when you strip it all off and you put on like boy clothes, that's the authentic thing but it's like both of those are close. That's the point. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We need a way. We's the point. We need a way to make up or not where we make up. Neither are more authentic because you're doing skincare and you decide not to say something is as much a choice. It's like voting or not voting.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Like picking no option isn't not voting. You're voting for nobody and we stay. Yeah. Yeah. It's very interesting. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting because Instagram has gravitated, has mutated into a place where it's like,
Starting point is 00:31:46 everything is filtered. And it's like, all broadcasted. Well, but like it is all like very produced. I mean, the people who are succeeding on Instagram have like an extremely produced version of themselves that they put on Instagram. And then on the flip side, it's like, it is all unfiltered in sanity over on Twitter, you know? And like, and to some extent,
Starting point is 00:32:09 Facebook as well, I think we all just need to be talking and sharing less. That's what I think. I think we need to be spending time with our loved ones and not everybody is a former or needs to put that work into the world. And the people who do are successful at it because they of what they decide to edit. And editor is an enormous, powerful thing. No book you've ever, every book you've ever read is only good because it had a good editor. Nobody writes a book and then it's literally
Starting point is 00:32:36 perfecting you publish it unless it's a poem in your Emily Dickinson. Like most things need to be edited. All good art, all good performances are edited and rehearsed and planned and talked over. And it's never the first version you see. And the reason that performers are good at putting out a ton of content is because they put that process in.
Starting point is 00:32:53 Not everybody can lazily be a performer where they're just like unmitigated spouting. The novelty of that wears off when everybody's doing it. And then we're all monsters who are just like, here's my official statement on what happened to Emma Stone at the Oscars. Like not everybody needs to have an official joke that they posted. They're not all gonna be good. Would have an Emma Stone. I don't know. I'm just pulling a random like event. Not every like thing Trump does. No, not everything Trump does requires you to put out a press release. And
Starting point is 00:33:21 if you're not a performer or a Honda, like it's not necessary. Even if you're even if you're not a performer or a pundit, like it's not necessary. Even if you're even if you're a performer, a pundit. No, sure. Pick your battles. But like, Solidad O'Brien can't wait to hear her opinion on what political development happened. The girl I went to high school, it doesn't need to write a Facebook post about it. That's not your job.
Starting point is 00:33:37 No. Like, it's just, we all need to be, yeah, we all need to be doing other things. And I say this is a person who really has loves it. I think this is a person who really has, I think this is a person whose job is to make jokes. Yeah, and I love and have you utilize the internet, but it's like just to be clear, I mean, there's gotta be a line at some point
Starting point is 00:33:54 where we just take a break. Well, speaking of editing yourself, Tim Draper told Sarah McBride that he thought who was an investor in Theranos, that he thought Elizabeth Holmes really couldn't be a CEO again, but he'd make her a chief science officer. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what, I mean, I don't think he was joking. No, he was like, Elizabeth Holmes had some talents at charming people in sociopathy, and I think we could make use of them. And it's like, she is a criminal who destroyed a company and hurt people
Starting point is 00:34:29 and he's like yeah we should give her a chance instead of being like there's lots of talented people who haven't had a chance yet. I don't get it. I'm sorry I just don't it's very disturbing. Billionaires looking out for their friends. It's crazy. If you've read bad blood, you'd be like, okay, this person, not only should they not be a chief science officer, they should be unhierable. You shouldn't be like a manager at a burger king. Like, you can't even be an employee at burger king, based on the, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:34:57 Not by the way, I'm not not key people who work at burger king. I'm saying like, it's a job that like, has a basic set of skills you need to learn to do. And she does not have them. I wouldn't trust Elizabeth Holmes to do that. She'd be like, yeah, I'm putting cheese on the cheeseburgers and it's like the cheese, it's just a piece of cheese
Starting point is 00:35:13 on a piece of lettuce. But all I know is Elizabeth Holmes should not be the chief science officer of shit. Anyhow, so it's a crazy statement, but it also shows how fucked up the community of investors are that they would... I mean, everybody at that level, it's the too big to fail thing. I mean, it's just like who they back, how they back people. Like if banks have fucked up so badly
Starting point is 00:35:35 that they destroyed the global economy, maybe we don't use those. Maybe we just don't do that again. It's truly dark times. It's truly dark times. I don't know what to say about it except it's completely stupid and um I just felt like it was really indicative of like why Silicon Valley and like tech culture is becoming basically like Wall Street or big Pharma and like we have to stop acting like because we like the products and they have friendly logos that like the people behind them are
Starting point is 00:36:03 Anymore like seen or less craved in. Yeah. Speaking of Elizabeth Warren wants to break up all the tech companies. Lovely, not completely. She's the bad. Not all of them. Look, her article, she wrote this thing on Medium and it's like, here's how we do it. And it's like Amazon, Facebook, and Google.
Starting point is 00:36:22 And it's like, cool. I'm into a lot of what she's saying, but like, yeah, she doesn't include a lot of other people. Like, I think the carriers in this country are completely diabolical. I think the media can glomerates are completely diabolical. I mean, you literally, like, when the Disney Mer, I just write a thanks to me tweeted, when the Disney Fox merger is over, Disney will be responsible for 40% of the film content that's released in America. I mean, Disney basically owns childhood and what Disney decides children will learn of value or no.
Starting point is 00:36:52 Yeah, no, it's crazy. It's what happens. I would think of Disney. I would break up Disney, honestly. Probably Disney is a more destructive force than fucking like Facebook. I would break up Amazon, Disney. I would fix the local ISP monopoly. No, like Facebook. I would break up Amazon, Disney. I would fix the local ISP and Apple. No, like Verizon.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Verizon, AT&T, no Verizon, AT&T, fucking those motherfuckers need to be broken up. Apple's inability to side load apps. Well, it's not even that. I tweeted about this and I was like, it's interesting that Apple's included in, it's like they have 50% of the, basically 50% of them,
Starting point is 00:37:20 smartphone market share in this country. That could easily go up. Also, it's the number one way through which people get information now. And like, they locked them down. They hijacked people's phone numbers. You cannot, like, you, I mean, the app store is super restrictive.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Like, there's always weird things about it. And people are like, well, little news, your data. It's like, well, they do use your data in lots of different ways. They just don't share it, you know? I'm trying to think of companies that could only exist as do-opolis or like triopolis or whatever you want to call it. I forget what the word is when there's only a couple competitors in a space and they
Starting point is 00:37:55 all maintain each other. And the only thing I could think of was like console gaming. Is the only space or really gaming in general. Is the only space for like without two or three systems, there's no reason to put the development cost into games, and you would need like common standards, and then you'd be bottled and acting some of the innovation that goes into something like the switch or like a Wii. And I was trying to think of companies
Starting point is 00:38:18 that sort of, that's a necessity of the space. And I couldn't think of anything else that I was like, what has to be? Because wireless carriers, there's no reason, or internet service providers, there's no reason they can't function like resources or like utilities. And like, there's no reason why Amazon
Starting point is 00:38:37 needs to own the whole internet and all shopping. Do you know what I mean? Like, what do you think of like, what is a space where like social networks, there should be an open standard and it shouldn't just be like, well, you could use Facebook or nothing. Like there needs to be an open standard. And I guess that's email, but I don't know.
Starting point is 00:38:54 Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, look, like search engines, I kind of get why there is only two search engines. I mean, I think it's interesting that, well, listen, I'm sorry, you two be- I'm sorry, you two be- I'm sorry, you two be- No, but there used to be a lot of different sodas, okay? I mean, and then Coke and Pepsi did their thing, and at some point they were like, they became the biggest in the best-
Starting point is 00:39:17 But there's no reason there needs to be two sodas, but there might be a time before reason why we just- I mean, boylands, maybe boylands is like, they have the fucking monopoly on, on sodas or whatever, you know, like, I do think, you know, they're, they're, it is my belief that if a better search engine came along, like, it could, it could, you could, like, I mean, at this point, I might be talking about the rest. That's what they're trying to do with Alexa. It's like, there was a find to get away to get into search that isn't typing into the
Starting point is 00:39:43 bar because that's got that. Like, there, there was a point where I think the problem with Google is not so much the search results. It's all the stuff they've put around the search results. All the things that they're doing for like to drive like- Infographics stuff. Yeah, no, the stuff they're doing to drive. No, the stuff they're doing to drive people to like,
Starting point is 00:39:58 you know, book flights through them, or to get, you know, whole data from other people's sites and put that up in front of like, you know, in front of put that up in front of the actual website. It's like, it's no longer giving me, but it's like on the one hand, you're like, wow, that's actually a really utility. Like if I search for somebody's name and I get a Wikipedia thing pulled up
Starting point is 00:40:13 then shows me like a snippet of Wikipedia, Wikipedia entry, it's really useful. But then at some point, you're like writing on it. But you do need more than third. I mean, the whole thing is worrying. There's no question that there is a monopolistic aspect to all of those companies, right? To Amazon, to Google, to Facebook, certainly.
Starting point is 00:40:28 My first thought, and I never price it. But there are things that I don't totally agree with and don't understand. She sites Nest as an example of one of Google's monopolistic sort of acquisitions. And like, I don't see that at all. Number one, home automation stuff is a nascent, it's a growing but relatively nascent space right now.
Starting point is 00:40:46 And anyone can step in. When they bought Nest, it was a relatively small company and they were not like, it wasn't like, holy shit, like they're just blowing it out. There were plenty of other companies that make it. I wouldn't be surprised if like, Honeywell is out selling Nest in terms of digital thermostats at this point, like Wi-Fi thermostats, but also Google wasn't like,
Starting point is 00:41:08 Google didn't really deploy any home technology. Also, if all of home technology is monopoly outside of like analog locks, I don't see that having as world-breaking consequences as something like all of public transportation becoming Uber and Lyft. And so that's the, right. I mean, that's a worse monopoly in my opinion.
Starting point is 00:41:27 YouTube is worse than their search business, in my opinion. I think it's really, it's this idea. I think these are the companies, they're like, it's like privacy and like, a fine of the company's right now. Well, but it's also like, right, it's also the companies that,
Starting point is 00:41:39 I mean, I think it's like this whole thing about Amazon's like, you know, server business, which is like, you could make an argument that should be broken out as a separate company. But someone's going to run the servers. Someone's going to own the servers. Microsoft owns a lot of servers too.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Dell owns a lot of servers too. Like at this point, maybe you don't have as many as Amazon, but like I think Amazon saw an opportunity and took it. It's not like they like completely railroaded everybody else to make their server business happen. What's interesting about Amazon is that they see lots of opportunities and they take them. Sometimes it really works out for them like web services
Starting point is 00:42:10 and other times it's like Amazon fashion didn't quite hit the way they thought it would. But with the pieces that end up fitting, then they synergize them to knit them together. Like whole foods, they found ways to knit it to get, you know what I mean? And they're slowly doing all these acquisitions and stuff.
Starting point is 00:42:25 It's not part of some like master plan, whereas Apple's moves are usually master plan moves 20 year vision of controlling your house and car. You know what I mean? And it's very different philosophies, but both of them have created weird situations where they move into a space and sometimes they're wildly successful and that becomes like a monopoly.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Like right now, like between Spotify and Apple Music, there's really not a lot of other players in that space and having a monopoly on all audio, which is what Spotify is trying to do with podcasts and music is now what's it do, Opole of like Apple podcasts, Apple Music and Spotify and Spotify podcasts. That worries me and YouTube worries me way more than like
Starting point is 00:43:04 everybody uses the same doorbell encryption code. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know either. I don't know what to say about it all. I will say this. I do think it's interesting.
Starting point is 00:43:20 One of the things she says in the piece is that, is that, you know, without breaking up Microsoft, there wouldn't have been an opportunity for Google to become like the search, the preferred search engine over Bing. And it's like, first off, your sequence of events is like really off. It's like, Bing happened way after that breakup occurred, right? Google is already a monopoly at that point.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Microsoft has actually been arguing forever that Google searches a monopoly and that the reason they has actually been arguing forever that Google searches a monopoly, and that the reason they couldn't get a word in Edgewise is that because they've just monopolized so much of the space. But it's like a weird argument because you're like, I mean, the better argument is that the only reason Apple existed is because Microsoft was scared
Starting point is 00:43:58 that they would be seen even further as a monopoly. But you could make an argument that if it weren't for Windows, the Windows monopoly, that Apple could have become a more dominant brand, but it wasn't just one thing. Apple could have distributed it software the way that Microsoft did, but it didn't want to. They had two completely different market. We're not even discussing Linux here. They had two completely different market tactics, right? Like Apple's market tactic was to sell like a better computer
Starting point is 00:44:29 that's a completely all-encompassing solution and not outsource their hardware or whatever. Microsoft was like to sell a license to whoever wanted it and be like, yeah, it was Android. You know, like, yeah, you want to use this? Go ahead. Like, you can pay a licensee from us. You can use the software and you can sell a Windows computer.
Starting point is 00:44:44 And it made it really easy for lots of people to make affordable computers. Any other point is, there are lots of reasons to break up companies and force them to submit to regulation, but it cannot just be Facebook and Amazon and Google. We have to take it on at a much larger scale. I think there are bigger problems than Facebook and Google. We have to take it on at a much larger scale. I think there are bigger problems than Facebook's hands on Google. It's a matter of a great idea and not knowing the space as well. Well, you can't say it,
Starting point is 00:45:10 but you can't say it because it's too much. You can't be like, look, she will not say, I mean, it's gonna be really hard for somebody to say, like we should break up Verizon. But like, they should. I mean, think about what Verizon owns now. You know, Verizon owns the Huffy Dimpost. Verizon owns now, you know Verizon owns the Hofstein post Verizon owns You know massive amounts of like subscribe cable subscribers
Starting point is 00:45:30 I mean Verizon's got its fingers and all the porn and sex worker stuff disappeared off of Tumblr and it devastated like lots of people's lives This is really apples snap his fingers sure But the only reason that this two companies could do it was because Apple had a monopoly on 50% of phones And then Verizon to tumblr and could snap its fingers there is no negotiation that had to that's right and sells apples phones so why do they want to piss off apple i mean i'm just saying there are a lot of monopolies in this country we're just a de-fucking-tip of the iceberg you know
Starting point is 00:45:58 and and i think that uh... i think that anyhow i I like the idea. By the way, I like Elizabeth Warren a lot. I think Elizabeth Warren is of course in danger of people treating her like they treated Hillary because she's an older woman who speaks her mind and as we know, most Americans hate that.
Starting point is 00:46:21 But it's actually scientifically proven that people hate that, which is what's so good about it. I mean, the reason that Subway has the voice that says when a train is arriving is a woman, and the safety instructions is a man, is that people will perk up and like a woman, they'll find her charming if she's giving you like helpful information,
Starting point is 00:46:45 but they will not take instruction or hard information from women. So the subway switches to a male voice because just for safety reasons, they just have to go with what people are gonna listen to because they can't have people diving into the subway or whatever. So they have a man, it says like the A train is arriving
Starting point is 00:47:00 and then it's like, please step away from the closing doors is a booming mail voice. And like, that should tell you, that speaks volumes. I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy when you think about like how Hillary was literally talking about what was going on with Trump and Russia and like describing it in detail and being like, all of our intelligence agencies agree that, you know, he's, he's that this stuff with Russia's going on and she's like he's probably you know Getting help from them or whatever and whatever all the stuff that all everybody now is like yes
Starting point is 00:47:35 This is happening. It's like yeah, but you know, he was listening to her. They were like sounds like my ex-wife Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy times we live in Speaking of monopolies. Facebook is pivoting to privacy. I love it. Privacy is in now. Privacy is cool. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Yeah, you can keep them to yourself now. Facebook can pivot to whatever the fuck it wants. Like there's no amount of, there's no amount of pivots they can make that'll make me really like or embrace what they're doing at all. The best thing they ever did was by Instagram because it bought them time. Yeah, maybe.
Starting point is 00:48:11 Maybe right. And anyway, I just think it's like, what's their plan now? What do they mean? Private groups, private groups hosted on Facebook where they're still sucking your fucking information and your data. I mean, it's an ad selling information from who? I don't understand how that. Like privacy from Facebook, that's what I want.
Starting point is 00:48:30 Like as the newsfeed going away, our message is going away. No, they're not taking any of those away. So what's different? And really, we can delete messages now? Okay, I don't know, like what else? Yeah, it's unclear. Are talking about.
Starting point is 00:48:44 It's unclear, but what I can say is, I can say this, I'm not gonna buy an Oculus headset because I don't trust the mothership, so. I just feel like, I mean, to me, I've said this before, I think the issue with Facebook is, I find fewer and fewer reasons to actually use it. Like, I don't know what they are. I literally only have one at the moment
Starting point is 00:49:03 for creating events for professional reasons. Both are completely superfluous to most ways that people do their business and also feel really necessary. And as a comedian and as someone who manages pages for it or like I have not for profit group and we do events and we want to communicate with the people who want to help us get money for causes. Like it feels necessary, but at the end of the day, there's a lot of easier ways to go around it.
Starting point is 00:49:30 And I don't open Facebook for anything besides that. I really don't. I'm never like on there like, you know, hey guys, just an update on my lunch. Like, I know a lot of people use it that way, but I don't, I can't imagine it. It's just, I don't think it's skews older. I think there's a lot of people use it that way, but I can't imagine it. It's different. I also think it's a huge older. I think there's a lot of older people on it. All I know is, and I think we talked about this maybe last week, somebody released the data from what the top most shared accounts are on all the different services and all the Facebook stuff was like nine gag and like Like the daily caller and like just like the drags truly the worst of the worst of the fucking love science five exclamation points. Yeah, that's it's really bad. Just like It's like forwards from your very dumb. You are you literally every time I open Facebook
Starting point is 00:50:21 I love my grandma every time I open Facebook. It's a meme from her that says like, you know. But people who pray, wake every day, or something, you know what I'm saying? But my, but my, I have relatives that were, I have relatives that were, have been forwarding shit like that through email for me for like decades. Oh yeah, it's the same person.
Starting point is 00:50:41 It's just email for it. It's just email for it. The email forwards have just graduated to being an eye and gag post to being a Facebook post. Yeah, you know, ridiculous. All right, what else? What's going on? Well, do you want to talk about,
Starting point is 00:50:54 it's kind of a quiet week. Am I crazy? It seemed like you sort of not that much happened. I mean, did you hear about Momo or? Yeah, Momo. I mean, Momo is like, you know, it's I mean, Momo is like, You've been. But you know, it's funny because people are like, I don't know, all these people are writing about Momo
Starting point is 00:51:09 and it's like, it's the adults that made Momo seem real and it's actually panic and blah, blah, blah. And it's like, yes, but every article you write about, oh, Momo is more Momo. Just spreading more Momo shit. But I mean, I get it, you want to like debunk Momo or whatever, but Momo is like, it's like, oh, it's not a thing, man.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Well, it's like everyone wrote that story about like, why is this crazy password so popular? And it's like, though the Chinese symbols, when you translate them through Unicode or something, they come out as these other symbols. And so that is just a popular password in China. And everyone, every single person wrote a piece. And when you walk away from that,
Starting point is 00:51:46 that's, I didn't know there was a list of top passwords. And if I did, I don't really need this information about how popular this password is. Like, it's just a not a real story and every single fucking outlet wrote that because the headline of why is x, y, q, x, eight, nine, eight, two, one of the most popular passwords in the world. So you would click through it and I was like, this isn't a service that you're
Starting point is 00:52:07 doing me as a journalist. This is just like fucking a meme or like an invented story. Yeah. I mean, I get it. I get it. People. It's the Momo thing though. It's like, these are invented things. These aren't. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Momo, I mean, one thing I could say is it's nice to have a little distraction, you know, a little bit of something that we can all agree on, you know, no matter what party you vote for, you know, it's like you can enjoy Momo. You can be scared of Momo. Non-MOMO news. PlayStation released a remote play at Pro iOS, but not Android. Oh, yeah, so really quickly. I was just looking at this.
Starting point is 00:52:54 I'm sorry, you can't use a DualShock with it. So you can't use an MFI controller or there's like a workaround to use the DualShock. I don't know if it's it, but you they have these like whack like virtual controls like that look like a workaround to use the DualShock. And I understand, like, but you, they have these like whack, like virtual controls, like that look like a complete nightmare. Well, you can use an MFI controller, like you can get a controller that was made for iPhone. What is MFI? It's like made for iPhone Apple has a standard
Starting point is 00:53:17 so that there's no input lag, like there's an Android and that the controller works like, it's really tight in the OS. So, okay, so I can use a controller. Yes. Just not my dual shock. No, you can use like a $30, NIMDA or whatever.
Starting point is 00:53:29 All right, I mean, I mean, I finally, I may actually have a use for the iPad now. Yeah. This might be the first time, or you could get a game vice and make it into like a switch little situation. Oh, that's interesting. I have not, oh, that's interesting.
Starting point is 00:53:41 I have not, but you need to have really good Wi-Fi, right? You need to have good, but it's really useful. Pretty good Wi-Fi. I mean, I've used it around my apartment and I have not, oh, that's interesting. I have not, but you need to have really good Wi-Fi, right? You need to have good, but it's really useful. Pretty good Wi-Fi. I mean, I've used it around my apartment and I have a pretty good router and it works fine. No, but I mean, like, you can't do it on a plane. You can, if you use another app called RPlay,
Starting point is 00:53:56 which is available in the iOS. I'm sorry, this is you're killing me. I have time for this bullshit. You couldn't do it on a plane. You could do it on a PC. They need to release a switch style console that has PS4 level graphics. So too much to ask.
Starting point is 00:54:09 A V2 if you will. No, they're not doing a V2 R, that. But I'm saying that's what you're asking for. Yeah, they should do the V2. The next PlayStation should be like a switch. And when you dock it, it's like really good graphics. And then when you dock it, it's like a crazy fucking GPU that it's like turns it into a complete monster.
Starting point is 00:54:27 Yeah, that's what they should do. That's what they should do. I have to strongly suggest to them, that is the move. And then you could literally upgrade the GPU unit. Yeah, you know. The Pro one comes out, you buy like a $200 replacement unit. Yeah, please let it happen. Come on, PlayStation.
Starting point is 00:54:45 Or you could do it. They could set it up like the new minis, the Mac minis where you can like, you know, stop the time. Are they easy to do this stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what they should do it. I mean, that's gotta be the future of gaming, right?
Starting point is 00:54:58 I mean, there's one in X86 standard at this point. They don't reason they couldn't do that. I mean, I'm just saying like, if it's like, if an external GPU is at play, I guess you've got, I mean, there are issues with like boss speeds and things like that, but it doesn't seem like an issue. I mean, I'm proud of it.
Starting point is 00:55:13 I mean, two processors in the PS4, so you could stream on Twitch. I mean, admittedly sitting in bed in my bedroom, playing like the resident evil to the resident evil to remake is definitely pretty appealing to me. I mean, I remember the Wii U was a very disappointing console, but the first time I could lay in bed and play like Bayonetta, I was like this owns, like I could go take a dump and play Bayonetta and this is awesome.
Starting point is 00:55:38 And like, tell me, what's a good, I'm looking right now in Amazon. What's a controller? I have the SteelSeries Nimbus, which is great. What did you say the thing is, what is it Apple? Apple MFI. MFI MFI. Or the gamevice is the one that goes around your thing, but then you can only use it with your phone
Starting point is 00:55:58 or your iPad. Oh, I see, here's one right here. The gamevice. Yeah. Does this do everything that a PlayStation controller does? These all look like Xbox controllers to me. The only thing that's different is, they do look like Xbox controllers,
Starting point is 00:56:10 but they're not, they work on PlayStation. The only thing that's different is the share and star buttons are on the screen, but other than that. I'm very tempted now, I guess I may. I have this field series, Nimbus, and it's a nice controller. I mean, it's not the best controller,
Starting point is 00:56:24 but it's very nice. I'm very tempted now. I guess I... I have this field series, Nimbus, and it's a nice controller. I mean, it's not the best controller, but it's very nice. I'm looking. Very interested in this situation at this point. Yeah, no, I mean, these gaming, these, uh, I'm gonna say, again, if I controller PS4, let me see. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. They're really pushing the game vice on me hard here.
Starting point is 00:56:43 And yet that says Xbox, so I don't want that. I need one of the reasons. The reason I love the game vice is that if you want to, I use my iPhone or my iPad or my laptop, and I can use the controller between all of those, if you get the game vice, you're kind of tied to the one device it fits. Right. Which I wasn't so into.
Starting point is 00:57:00 I'd rather just put a clip on or stick the iPad iPad like up. And then they make then they make a they make a game vice for the iPad. Yeah, I mean, if I was to buy multiple controllers, sure, but for a dedicated one, I want to be a ability to switch. Wild shit. Well, at any rate, okay, well, that's pretty cool. I mean, I guess that's fine. I like that there's like increasing interoperability aren't they doing Xbox Live for the Switch? Does that, has that happened? That is a very credible rumor.
Starting point is 00:57:31 Yeah. That will, that they'll be bringing Xbox Live and Xbox Game Pass to. Yeah, that's what we need. That's what we're all looking for. That will crush games. Well, because I think at Microsoft's whole new vision for the future is it doesn't matter where you play the games. bought pay for game pass and we will get you your games wherever you are
Starting point is 00:57:48 Yeah, but I mean I mean that will and won't work to some degree Yeah, I mean it will work great for on the dedicated console on a computer It'll work great maybe on the switch on your phone and stuff. You'll be doing streaming which is an ideal but I Mean at least we're getting closer to a Netflix for games scenario. Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's, I'm very interested. I'm very interested here. I gotta tell you, I mean, I think it's like, it's an interesting time in, in gaming. I gotta try this remote play app. I mean, it, it seems like it could be kind of cool. It works great. It works great. It's extremely janky, does it? It works great. The only, I've works great. It works great. I used RPlay for a while and then I played with the remote play bit.
Starting point is 00:58:28 I do prefer it on the phone because it's a smaller thing. So if I'm going to sit down and put a screen down anyway, I might as well turn the TV on. So the iPad isn't super ideal unless I'm traveling. And also the compression of the video looks almost unnoticeable on the phone. On the iPad, it's just slightly noticeable. Like you can a little bit tell. Right, right, interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:53 Okay, well, listen, I mean, you've sold me somewhat almost on the whole situation. Step by step. All right, nice things. Nice things, yeah, we should definitely do nice things. I'm telling you, this is quite a week. I feel like there's just not a lot going on, which is good. I'm happy. Yeah, I'm like, A-E prefer less than a good pro and white.
Starting point is 00:59:12 That is not a complaint. I just feel like kind of low energy. I traveled a lot. I feel like I'm like really run down. I was like, the travel kind of killed me. And it was like, I already said this, I think, but it was raining in Los Angeles. And I was expected to be not raining and I was like, I already said this, I think, but it was Rainian Los Angeles, and I expected it to be not raining,
Starting point is 00:59:27 and I was very disappointed in anyhow. I did go to Canter's though, that's the important thing. Yeah. Okay, nice things. Nice things. I'm ready. I've been more ready in my life. I went out to Long Island to C. Kelly Clarkson.
Starting point is 00:59:39 Oh my God. Can I text to my mom like this that list because she couldn't make it? And she texted back a mom like this that list because she couldn't make it and she texted back a momo like this You're you're you're And I thought that's a fun. We all we all came together on the rainbow parties of the week, which was momo Yeah, that's right momo You you Instagram some some video from that Clarks and Kelly Clarks in show. Yeah
Starting point is 01:00:04 She puts on a phenomenal show. Oh really, I thought it looked pretty boring. Oh no, I have to say, if you have the chance to see her, I've seen a lot of people live and usually my taste is more, I like two kinds of music. One is extremely complicated like either orchestral or some kind of like involved thing, like a musical or something, or like a show,
Starting point is 01:00:27 like a stunts, like Gaga, Beyonce, Brittany, like I like like a theatricality when I pay, I'm paying to see somebody, I can listen to someone sing kind of at home. So I either want like really sophisticated music that I don't feel like it's just someone singing to a pre-recorded vocal track or whatever, or I want like backflips, flip flops,
Starting point is 01:00:44 pirate techniques, like the works. But I will say Kelly Clarkson, I have seen several times and I will see every single time she comes around because she's an amazing singer. She's extremely funny. She connects with the audience in a way that it feels like you're hanging out with her, which I know is like a parasocial thing, but she's extremely good at like talking about her day to day life in a way that relates to her, the crowd and, and bringing people out from the audience who were like a funny shirt and talking to them about whatever. She brought someone on stage who she had invited
Starting point is 01:01:16 personally because she saw he dances and heals with his dance troupe to her music, and she thought that was so cool and inspiring, and he came out and shot her at dance move and every single night she covers a brand new song completely learned at that morning which is like her American Idle sort of trick. Every single night it's a completely different song and she broadcasted it live on Facebook so that if you couldn't afford a ticket and you're a fan of her as like a kid you could still like get something fun out of the fact that she's touring. At our show she she did post-belone Cardi B Lauren Hill mashup that she had made that morning and all of her musicians learned it and all the musicians are on stage and she hires
Starting point is 01:01:54 only musicians for the most part. Almost every single one I think one backup singer are all people of color because her music is so heavily draws from black music and she wants to create those opportunities. Who Kelly Clarkson does? Mm-hmm. And all of her opening acts and all of her guest stars are work contestants from the voice, because she realizes that you don't always get a career
Starting point is 01:02:13 guaranteed from a show that like she did, and she wants to make sure these people can continue to work in music and stuff. Oh, I have to say. You've given her a lot of credit. No, I'm not. I'm not. And I have to say, I was in the crowd with people,
Starting point is 01:02:24 and we like made friends and talked about how much we love her and how these kind of live events are way more, you feel better spending your money on it than you do on a Katy Perry show, even if it has all, even a Beyonce show, it has all of the performance stuff that I wanna see, but it feels more like a community event. And everyone seemed to be having a really good time.
Starting point is 01:02:43 It wasn't sweaty, there wasn't people pushing into each other. It was really fun and you know like she said to the pick, like the crowd in the pit, she was like, okay everybody's single long because we don't know the words to this or she said at one point like everybody's favorite song of mine is a weird album track that I don't know the words to from my second album. So I will just be a medley of those kind of tracks and make sure you're I hope your favorite is in there and if it's not tweet at me and we'll put it in the next leg of the tour or whatever. It's like, she's just so, it was so fun and awesome.
Starting point is 01:03:10 All right, so we get it. You like Kelly Clarkson. I'm sorry that I said anything bad about her honestly. When we went to the venue, we sat down on our seats and they had rebuilt the Coliseum on Long Island and you couldn't see the stage from our seats. The overhanging ceiling covered the whole stage. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:03:27 Because I just bought cheap seats because usually there's never a bad seat in the Colosseum and we were already renting a car and stuff, you couldn't see anything. And it was John's Valentine's Day gift and he was like, no, it's fine. I went down to the box office and I was like, find any other seats.
Starting point is 01:03:39 Like, I don't care what it costs. So we bought like new seats and moved. Oh, it was mortifying. Oh, geez, that sucks. Alright, anyway. And so yeah, I really have to recommend it. It was a great show. I had a great time. In other musical things, another nice thing is I, I have it saying in front of people outside of like karaoke since college when I was like a music minor. And I never felt like I was a good singer. I was always like, I can like get through a part in a musical, but I'm not like a singer. And then someone invited me to do a cabaret show, which was like, because it was housewives-related,
Starting point is 01:04:14 I got invited, but it was like housewives meets Broadway. And I was like, do I do this? I don't know if I can really fucking carry a tune anymore. And then I rehearsed and practiced, and I can. And frankly, I think I was more in my head in college because I was getting so much conflicting information. I think I'm a better singer than I was back then. And I was very happy and proud.
Starting point is 01:04:32 And I was feel good to get out of my body. And I was with a group of people who are really supportive. And I had a really fun time with it. So any kind of hobby you've put down for a while or like sport or whatever activity, pick it back up. It's like riding a bike, you'll be fine. I had a nice set of that. Hmm.
Starting point is 01:04:48 And I was like, nice thing. Oh, I booked a trip to Paris for April for a week because I saw it was like, you know, there was a sale was like $250 round trip tickets. And I was like, yeah, and I was like, I've never been to Paris. And I kind of feel like the world is gonna end. Like, I kind of feel like climate change.
Starting point is 01:05:11 Yeah, you should have a good appearance before the world ends, that's a good point. Like, why not just spend 250 bucks and then get an Airbnb and go to Disneyland Paris and see the Louvre and Versailles and have done that rather than like fucking constantly for the last 10 years, I took my first vacation was for a lot of it, it was the first one. Like I've really taken for non-business or family reasons
Starting point is 01:05:31 in 10 years, like I was like, I had to start like living my life because otherwise, what the fuck is the point of all this busy work? What's the point of anything? Yeah, really, when you think about it, you're gonna be like, I'm excited, I'm going to Paris. If anybody has recommendations, tweet at me. I recommend learning to speak French're gonna go to Paris. If anybody has recommendations, tweet at me. I recommend learning to speak French, if you go to Paris.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Oh, I spent eight years of schooling. They do not fuck, they do not fuck with English. The only way I passed any French course was cheating using my sidekick. They're like, no, no. We're not gonna speak English. No, that'll be fun. I might have some recommendations.
Starting point is 01:06:04 You gotta go to the Palmpadu, which is a museum. It's really great. And let me ask Laura, because we were there. I have a little list. Top of my list was Red Light District, Mulan Rouge, Disneyland Paris. John was like, wow. No, it stopped the real stuff to see the museum. I know. He had like a list of restaurants and museums and stores.
Starting point is 01:06:25 I was like, I want to see Mickey Mouse in a beret. Well, you should definitely do that. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. But I'm, all right. What else? That's it. That's it.
Starting point is 01:06:36 Short. You get mad if I have more than one. Sure. I can't believe it. Sure. Listen, nice things. Are you ready? I'm going to drop a huge one on you now.
Starting point is 01:06:44 Let's do it. I got into Riverdale and the flights that I was on. Oh, yeah. You made that in Slack. I finished. I just looked peri-related. I mean, I don't know. I was looking for something to watch. They had all the shit that was like new releases on movies were like Bohemian Rhapsody.
Starting point is 01:06:58 I seriously contemplated watching Bohemian Rhapsody. And then I was like, I do not want to watch. I was like thinking about like, is there anything that I actually want to see in that movie? And I couldn't think of a single fucking thing. No offense to whoever is too tall. Paul and Gale had to watch, bohemianirhapsody.
Starting point is 01:07:15 I don't know. But no, so I was like, you know what? I watched like the first like six or seven episodes of season one, like here and there. And I was like, I should just pick it back up and like, I think it's like like 10 episodes in the first season or seven episodes of season one here and there. And I was like, I should just pick it back up and like, I think it's a little like 10 episodes in the first season or something. Like, yeah, just finish it.
Starting point is 01:07:30 And wow, boy does that show get dark. And I mean, it's ridiculous and cheesy and silly. Like it really is like extremely cheesy. Like it is a barricanly silly, but also kind of good in a kind of like, I don't want to say comic booky way because that isn't real. I mean, yes, it is comic booky to some degree, but it's more like, it's just, it's super campy, but then there are, there are moments here and there that are like legit, good, and
Starting point is 01:08:04 everybody's really attractive on it. Like everybody is like insanely good looking and it's so it's like kind of easy to watch because it's like every few minutes you're like, oh, that person's extremely hot and I'll watch, I guess I'll watch them talk about being in a ridiculous gang called the snakes or the vipers or the sneakers or whatever the serpents.
Starting point is 01:08:25 I mean, it's so ridiculous. I mean, it's like, and everybody's like, it's so like in a world where it's like racism doesn't exist, but like gangs do. Like, it's like, you don't even mean like, it's this weird thing where like all the gangs are like, they're on some other level, like, it's not about like, I mean, they talk about like the south side and the north side, but it's like the jets and the fucking sharks or whatever. It's very like a version of reality that isn't like reality at all.
Starting point is 01:08:54 I mean, what I mean about the racism thing is that like, like their version of racism on the show is like, people from the South side. And everybody's, everybody's grouped into like, there's no like actual cultural problem. Well, I mean, this is like on Sabrina where it's like, Models versus Witches and that's it. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's like, there's no actual culture that exists outside of the concept of like
Starting point is 01:09:20 Riverdale. And like the South side is where the bad poor people are in the north side is where the rich people are. But like, it's not sophisticated in like a Veronica Marriott. But there's no like social commentary there at all. There's like a gang, but the gang isn't like a gang because of like the circumstances of the society. Yeah, they're not there. They're not there. The gang is the circumstances of society or the way that like society has been arranged or the way that America, the systemic racism of America,
Starting point is 01:09:48 they're a gang because they live on the South side. And like, yeah, it's like Slytherin. A magic hat told you to be a Nazi. And they're like a gang from like, in some ways, it's a very 1950s, like comic book creation, like white comic book creation, where it's like, like the gang is like guys who wear leather jackets. Yeah. You know, like, so it's like, so it's kind of, there's
Starting point is 01:10:10 a lot of fun. There's this weird like dissonance watching it where you're like, uh, like this is not why gangs like, this is not what gangs are. Like this is like, it's like so weird like musical version. Yeah. But then it's also like whatever who cares because it's like a fucking total, like you do not have to invest a single second of like real effort into watching it. Anyhow, so apparently my nice thing this week is that you should watch Riverdale if you seriously have nothing better to do and you want like
Starting point is 01:10:37 some completely meaningless. It's this candy. But I will say there was, there at the beginning of season two, there's some Luke Perry stuff that actually was pretty like given the fact that he just died was pretty like he's Seemed like a wonderful very nice. Apparently Luke Perry was an amazing person from what what everybody says I'm just like waiting for the moment where somebody comes up with the cancellation story for Luke Perry because you know Whenever you're saying nice about somebody you might the new thought now is like oh he's about to cancel. Maybe look Perry like Dolly Parton or
Starting point is 01:11:07 she's gonna get canceled. I mean, they're all gonna get canceled. Everyone's getting canceled anyhow, except the Simpsons got to. I anyhow, so so Riverdale, I guess I recommend it. I guess it's a nice thing. I don't really know. I started reading the book version of you from Netflix and it's the same thing where I'm like, there's a lot of stuff that like is it not an explorer here, but it's like very candy like, like being inside of his brain and like the way he views things is just like it's like gimmicky and fun and I don't know. There's something good about that right now in this moment.
Starting point is 01:11:42 Yeah. You gotta get out. You gotta get out of reality. Yeah. All right. Well, I think that's it for me. I don't think I have any other nice things. I mean, it's been a slow week. Um, sleep, sleep is my nice thing. I'm into it.
Starting point is 01:11:54 Yeah. I slept. I like passed out in Portland and I woke up. I had a very early, I had to get up very early because I had to like talk to people in these coast. But um, Portland's kind of cool. I mean, except for the fact that everybody there has the measles, Portland's kind of a cool city. Like, I mean, I know there's the whole Portlandia joke
Starting point is 01:12:09 and everything, but like, you know, legal weed, that's the shit. I'm sorry, like, I'm sorry. It's so hurry. It's so good to just be able to walk into a dispensary and just like, there's like varieties of things. It's like, it's not weird. And like, what's crazy about it, I was thinking about this a lot while I was there
Starting point is 01:12:26 and I was only there for like 24 hours, what's crazy about it is it's like, we have like alcohol and smoking. Those are the only legal like, vices that in like, yeah, I guess you could say coffee or whatever, but think about it, it's so weird. It's like, you can buy a pack of jewel pods, a triple macchiato, you can get Adderall,
Starting point is 01:12:46 and you can do like, Adderall's a prescription for Adderall and it's a controlled substance. I mean, even if you want to get a prescription for weed, for depression, you can't get it. No, but that's what I'm saying. Like, we live in this such a weird thing where it's like, there, I'm not saying you should just legalize everything, but it is strange to me that like,
Starting point is 01:13:06 they've legalized alcohol and people drink it and go fuck a ballistic on it. You can get a handle of burnettes and you cannot get a joint. Yeah, and like, and like, for sure smoking kills people, like definitely causes cancer, no question. And is a damn, and yet like weed is this thing that's like suddenly it's like, oh, like, oh,
Starting point is 01:13:23 what if it wasn't? And it's like, yeah, like what if it wasn if it wasn't? And it's like, yeah, like, what if it wasn't? It's kind of like how you can buy a liquor at a grocery store in California. It's the same thing to me. I'm like, how is it that we've been going through life? And I have to like go to a separate store to buy liquor. It does not make any sense. Well, it's sort of no fucking sense. Everyone flipped out when bodega owners were like, we should be the ones to sell weed because it is we're lower income,
Starting point is 01:13:45 we're the communities that were the most harassed and arrested for like lower level drug felonies to do with marijuana. And it would be a huge boost to local economies. Everyone was like, how do we know that they could be trusted with it? And it's like, they sell everything you need to smoke weed. They sell cartons of cigarettes, malt liquor. They sell like
Starting point is 01:14:07 fucking drain cleaner. I'm sure they can sell a fucking gummy bear. Yeah, anyhow. So yeah, so so that's my other nice thing is weed. Cool legal weed. I'm into it, man. I got to say, the legal version of Edibles, I make John, like, you know, percure them when he goes on trips. And whenever I'm out and I got to switch to something else, I'm like, this is dark and dank. Like, we gotta get to a controlled, clean, unless you want to pay out the nose in New York, there's no way to.
Starting point is 01:14:42 Right. Right. Anyway. Yeah. I don't know. I really think that they should legalize weed everywhere, it's ridiculous. Yep. All right. Well, that's it. There we go.
Starting point is 01:14:53 We've done it all. How do you feel? Spent. Great. Me too. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best, though. I've just heard that your family lives in Portland.
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