Tomorrow - 161: Camping With Pennywise

Episode Date: May 10, 2019

This week Josh survived the Met Gala, the Sonic redesign, the return of Pennywise the Clown, Google's new smart home, and a vicious attack on Ryan's life by none other than Lisa Vanderpump. Watch the Watchmen and listen to episode 161. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to Tomorrow, I'm your host Josh Wattipolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss the Wack Pack, Irish Romance, and Camp. I don't always want to minute, let's get right into it. Alright we're back, we're, I want to say, Tekken Week in Railway reporting the show and time. In person, in person, huge deal for us, for me personally. Look at the structure we've been able to beat you, aren't it? I know. We're so professional.

We're so on top of our game right now. Uh, interesting week of news. A lot of stuff going on. You're a week. It's been a long week. Yesterday it was Wednesday and I was like, I can't see you. You think your week has been long?

Oh my god. Yeah, we should talk about this right up front. I'm podcasting with one hand tied to behind my back literally. Are you familiar with the character, the penguin in Tim Burton's 1992 film, Batman Returns? Ryan has a hand that looks like the penguin's like flipper hands in this. It's a thin, yeah.

It's basically a thin, Ryan was doing the dishes. I was doing the dishes while watching the seminal television show Vanderpump rules. By the way, this is why you never do something while doing the dishes. The doing the dishes should be, sorry, go tell your story and then I'll reprimand you for. I was doing the dishes. I was reaching into a glass tumbler and I had a sponge. I was watching the inside of it, but I was reaching fast and hard and it slammed into

the sink and shattered and all of the glass went into various parts of my hand. Horrible. And ripped it up, there's blood. Oh my god. Oh my god. Everywhere, I called 911 immediately, put paper towels on it, ran to the lobby and my building to wait for the ambulance, as a family with like five small children came in

and blood everywhere. They learned a lot about the human and now I got it. And then I spent Sunday having my hands stitched back together. And now you have 10 stitches. Now I have 10 stitches. Oh my God. So right across the worst part. Ryan is horrible, but no tendons are cut.

No tendons are cut. You know, like major permanent damage, which is good. No, it'll just be a few weeks. It's a flush wind. It'll just be a few weeks of healing and then a weird scar. It's a very horrible and sad experience and I'm sorry that it happened to you. It has truly slowed down every aspect of my life. Let me reprimand you, getting back to my original reprimand, you know, the dishes just focus

on the dishes. You don't need to multitask. Vanderpump's not going anywhere. You're not thinking of this from the galaxy brain perspective, which is now I never have to do the dishes again. Oh, is that it? I get out. You know, I used to hate doing dishes again. I was at it. I get out. You know what I used to hate doing the dishes.

I actually like it. It's very meditative. It's like mowing the lawn. I used to really despise it. In the last few years, I do find something somewhat therapeutic about just the total single mind-in-ness of dish doing. You're in one spot and you're making things clean and better. The worst is vacuuming or dusting because you're moving around, you got to pick things

up, everything's a different challenge. It's just a repetitive, like mowing the line or time in line. I would vacuum and dust. But the thing with the dishes for me that is that it's, sinks are typically kind of low for me since I'm 64. Mine's actually up pretty high. Well, I would always want to impact,, exactly. You're at the wrong angle. No, but I actually have wanted to have like a taller sort of,

because I'm tall. You've got to get Kanye to decide. So I hunch over. I know I hunch over a lot while I'm doing the dishes, which makes my back hurt. Like I definitely get like back pain immediately following like a dish session. Also, like I'm really thorough.

Like Laura gets mad at me because I'm extremely thorough. I think we have a little bit of a difference in style when it comes to the dishes. I'm surprised you don't use a dishwasher. We have a dishwasher. Yeah, you're in the suburbs. Sometimes you have. But sometimes you've got, you're running the dishwasher and then you have more dishes.

We never used it growing up. We had one in our house, we never used it. We think we use it sparingly. We don't create so many dishes, typically, that we have We had one in our house. We never use it. We use it sparingly I mean we don't create so many dishes typically that we have to put stuff in the dishwasher It's not that hard to do like you know, it's just the three of us for the most part Anyhow but but yeah, I think you should stay focused on the any how to ask a horrible It's horrible, but I think you should yeah, I feel very bad for you and I'm sorry I'm pity me. I do pity you but also I'm mad at you

No, but yeah, cuz I'm slowed down everything in this office. Brian was like, showed me a picture of him playing. He got like a giant arcade joystick. So, the day that it happened, I was told for like 24 to 48 hours, if you're still bleeding, please don't leave the house because you're just going to do stuff to make it worse. Right. And I couldn't change the bandage, and it was ugly. So I stayed home from work on Monday, and I had nothing to do.

And I couldn't play any video games. I couldn't change the bandage, it was ugly. So I stayed home from work on Monday and I had nothing to do. And I couldn't play any video games. I couldn't do anything. So I got on Amazon Prime and ordered one of those joystick fight pads, like old school arcade. And there's a handful of games that only need those buttons. Yeah, I've been playing a lot of like Sonic. Street or Street Fighter? Street Fighter.

Street Fighter is like Mega Man. Although you need like button combos, I mean like a lot of button movement, so I feel like Street Fighter would be kind of tough. It's okay, you gotta put it on easy. You get the new Mortal Kombat? Yes. Oh, you did?

I can't play it. I haven't played it. I can't play it. I don't know if I want to play it. I was never a big Mortal Kombat fan, but it does look like, I don't know. I'm just such a sucker for ever. I mean, you know me.

Yeah, I just want to buy a new game. I know. I have so many unplayed games. I'm a man who owns like eight game boys When Mortal Kombat comes out. I'm buying it What I like to do is I like to go back to a game after several years and like I played I played on a series or like You know like far cry I have far cry three far cry four and far cry five. I've never finished any oh I think I've might have finished three

I gave you I may not have finished three you gave me a non-human and you never touched it Have you touched it yet? You haven't even never even added me on PlayStation So I have no idea. I don't do group gaming. I tried to play a little fortnight I find it like I hate it utterly detest I hate it. I'm sorry It just is not for me like I like overwatch but I fucking hate I can feel the casino feeling of it all where I'm like I got to pay to play kind of a thing I think that level the barrier to entry now is so ridiculously high. Like, to just understand the universe of Fortnite.

Yeah. It's just like, it's sort of like, I don't know, I gotta get special jet pack now. I get like, I don't know what these guns all do. It was the first time I truly felt old was trying to play Fortnite. I don't know how it works. I just feel like it's like, I'm bad at, like a college, like I'm bad at like, I don't like multiplayer.

For the most part, I, my multiplayer fun ended with like, Quake. But I remember, my mom's pretty young, and I remember her, she's pretty good on all her phone apps. She's a heavy social media user, but she's the first time she felt old when she opened Snapchat and literally didn't know how to start.

She didn't know what to do with it. And that's how I feel with Fortnite. I loaded it up several times. I have no fucking clue what's happening. I don't have that, I don't have, it's not that I have no clue what's happening. It don't have that, I don't have, it's not that I have no clues happening. It's that I, that I know that like, that I don't have the time it takes to require a lot of it.

Yeah, the time it takes to like figure everything out. Yeah, I'm like, this game is too old to get to mass effect. I like mass effect. But this game isn't like, I couldn't buy a new one. For it to be is like, there's nothing that's gonna happen in this game that's good enough for me to justify the time I need to put in to really like get, like even reasonably good at it,

and understand like how everything, like what I wanna be doing it, because you play Fortnite a lot of different ways. Anyhow, the point is, so, I got a fight pad. Yeah, you got a fight pad for your flameless. I could flam like for your flameless. For your flameless.

One or two buttons at a time, and I've beaten everythonic game. Well, at least you can play something. I mean, you know, at least you've mean, at least your hand isn't completely destroyed and you've got some fungal music. I'm using a tube. It could be a lot worse. It could be a lot worse.

I used my breath to control the character, it's all the same. All right, so what else is going on in the news? It's been a big week, but not, there have been a lot of like big things, but not a lot of things, which is good. Yeah, I think. I prefer it this way.

Should we do the Google stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually was watching the Google thing and thinking like, I'm watching this intently and not so distracted by Trump. Like, I definitely, there's jump stuff going on, but it felt like a different kind of week, more digestible week.

I'm trying to remember what was happening the day of the Google thing. I actually didn't pay that much attention to it because I think- It is the day we had a constitutional crisis. Yeah, oh, I mean, ongoing, we'll talk about that, the ongoing constitutional crisis at the tap in America. So Google unveiled new Android Q and it's filled with security updates.

It's got its live caption feature that will not work for another 20 years, but that's a good idea. It's a good, I think it's a really good idea to, I do feel like we should be way better at just having captions for any videos that you watch ever. Of course. Accessibility is the first thing that Silicon Valley chucks to this side with their quote unquote disrupting. It's the first cost cutting manager.

How do you get it over that accessible? You can't. I just think you also have, you know, I mean, there's just a minimal amount of, you know, obviously a smaller percentage of people who are pushing for that stuff within these companies. So it's like, it just never a priority, you know? I mean, they're also the most part. Focus mode stuff, which I don't think any of this digital wellbeing,

like control your use of your phone stuff is ever gonna work. So like, I don't know. I mean, I actually, I never gonna work. Okay, so there are actually people though at the outline who talk about how they use like their Instagram thing where it's like,

we'll give you like a five minute, you know, like on your iPhone, I guess you can set a thing where I don't do this at all because like time limits. You time limits. It'll be like you've looked at Instagram for five minutes and people use it. I just,

when, so maybe that's helpful. Like I guess it's like, if you can, it's a good reminder, like you've been here for 20 minutes. Yeah, I think it's good to know. I do think ultimately it's a question of behavior and if something helps you with your behavior, that's nice. And if it's actually like makes sense and can help you with your behavior, if you need that help, I do think the machines are not going to solve the problem.

It's not going to be like, I do think counting calories was helpful, but it also gave me like really bad eating disorder and obsessive number counting and stuff bigger than I didn't like. And so for me, it's like, if I put those limits on Twitter, I'm just gonna be, my life will be about not being on Twitter, rather than my life being about being on Twitter. And frankly, it's the path of least resistance at that point. Yeah, I just think that the thing about it is, is like Instagram is a good example of things I feel I enjoy less and less with each passing experience. I don't dislike Instagram, but I feel now,

I don't have a lot of time to watch all the Instagram stories. I don't really have a lot of time to go through the entire feed and see what I think is. I remember I used to read every tweet in my timeline. In 2009, if there's a couple who we could follow with that. Who are super active in the story stuff. Fuck those people with 50 fucking posts. You got the tiny little, like,

like Spencer Pratt. Spencer Pratt, who I follow and used to enjoy. What are you shooting at his own reality show? That's a little cool. I get it, but I don't even look at it anymore. I'm just like, this is exhausting. I don't have time to see it. Even if sometimes it's entertaining.

This is like crystals and burritos and I've seen it. Burrito would be great right now. The hills is coming back. Some crystal and a burrito. It's what I want. Math, it's what I do. Yeah. Anyhow, so yeah, so it's nice

to introduce more features around that stuff. I know you hate dark mode, but I'm very happy to see dark mode. Yeah, dark mode, I don't get it. I don't know what the deal is. I hate the way it looks. It looks really. It looks better. It looks old to me. Everything I see in dark mode, but I'm very happy to see dark mode. Yeah, dark mode. I don't get it. I don't know what the deal is. I hate the way it looks. It looks really. It looks better. It looks old to me. Everything I see in dark mode, I feel like it looks like some weird late 90s or really 2000s version of like an interface.

I think dark mode feels like the default to me. All the white doesn't feel like the default to me. It looks like a present. No, I'm looking at dark mode. I'm literally looking at dark mode right now and I really hate the way it looks. I love it. It looks trashy. Ty describe it.

I think it looks dark mode. Don't compare how it looks. Dark mode just feels better. Yeah, I don't, I disagree. I don't think, I don't think that like white text on a black background is better for your eyes. It's not. Dark mode is the street where or like yoga pants or uggs,

where you're like part of this is that it looks okay. And the other part of it is it's comfortable. I don't find it more comfortable. I find it to be claustrophobic and ugly. So they have dark mode. There's a bunch of new security stuff that they're doing where they're, I mean, Google seems to be acknowledging

that people want more privacy. So, you know, we'll see what it actually does. Google's like, okay, Candy Crush can't listen to you sleep. Yeah, I mean, it's a little, I think it goes a little bit beyond that, but it's gonna be interesting to see how much it actually impacts, like, experiences. I don't, personally, Google doesn't, I don't sweat Google. I know, you know, I would talk to about this. I just feel nothing.

I just don't see like a real world impact that's bothering. You feel about Google. I feel about a lot of companies that, I don't see like a real world impact that's bothering you. You feel about Google. I feel about a lot of companies that they're like the cable guy or something where when they're in their house I want to be with them. You with Google, that's the housekeeper you're just giving, you're just roll the keys and you're like, she's gonna see some shit.

I mean, yeah, I think at some point, I don't know. I mean, it would be easy to just to log off. Like I could just log off. I don't have to use these things, but I do like them. They did outline what they're collecting on you and easier ways to stop that and delete it. Like, I was looking for a photo from 2013 of an old Apple computer that I took a picture of

and like finding it in Google Photos was really easy. And part of that is because like- I just hate that I'm constantly aware of that. I'm gonna open a private browser to Google this thing that I don't want associated with me or even just I don't want suggestions based off of it. See, I'm constantly aware of that I'm gonna open a private browser to Google this thing that I don't want associated with me or even just I don't want suggestions based off of it. See, I'm less concerned with that and more concerned with that in relation to presenting things

to people in the office. I'm like, my number one Google privacy concern is that I'm gonna be presenting. Oh, that's my biggest thing. And I type in, I start typing in a URL and it auto-predicts something like truly heinous. Yeah, you know, like, like, gore porn. Yeah.

I'm always nervous that my mom's gonna look at my phone. That's why I don't keep any like explicit anything on my phone. I'm always nervous that she's gonna be watching a YouTube video and like a grinder message or John's sending me a nude. But the reality is that we should do it. Really, if we were smart, we would have two separate computers for work and life. Like, or two separate accounts on the computer,

but like that's too much trouble. I'm not doing time for that bullshit. I'm a very busy man. Okay, so they've I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.

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It's just lazy. It's just lazy and is talking. But, but I like, I do use it. They have it on the phone app on my Pixel and sometimes it's convenient. Sometimes it's annoying. I hate it. I don't want to see. I want to open an app.

I kind of do like how Apple is. You open the app and you're there. I need my notifications available everywhere, and my settings available everywhere, but I do like that when I'm on Amazon looking for food stuff, I don't get tweet replies except for a tiny little shade at the top of this. No, I'll be honest with you.

I actually like being able to fluidly jump between things, and I think that I think you're wrong. I'm dealing with my ADHD. You're embrace. No, I just think, look, when you're juggling a lot of think I just think look when you're When you're juggling a lot of shit. It's nice to be able to like not have to Scrouge around for the app. You're like where is it? It's like but I like that sometimes the word processor I'll do it on my iPad on airplane mode just so I can focus or like if I read

The date in yourself if I read a book I need to do it on my candle because I'm not gonna stay in there I'm gonna go to Reddit and Google something from the book and then do over here and look at YouTube with the author. I'm trying to get ways and Twitter in the same view so I can get navigation. Retweets and get navigation while I'm driving. Also have some chat head notifications pop up so I can respond to text messages.

You're so extreme. Like online, I always forget. Slack text messages and you're so extremely online I always slack slack messages um yeah I'm like fairly online but you know I you know what I did last time I sat and bet I read a book it was fucking great yeah no that's the best Sally Rooney normal people my hope you read it no very interesting my whole thing about Game Boys and why I'm obsessed with them is that they're little games that you can play and you play them alone and they they they're not connected to anything. Yeah. It's simple. There's just black and white and they have to make fun out of it. Yeah. And addictive gameplay. Nobody can interrupt you.

That's why I play dead cells so much is that it's so which is coming to iOS. Yeah. It cares. It cares if it's coming to iOS iOS is horrible to play games on. You got to get an MFI control. Okay. Let me get controllers to make my phone into basically a switch. No thanks, that's what I got a switch for. And you know what, I'm all in on the switch, it's great. I've come around a 180, I'm like, it's switch head. I don't know, the first time I really took a break

from a switch, which I'm fully back on because of this joystick situation. I took a real break when I played Yoshi's crafted world and I was like, I feel like I've played this game from Nintendo a thousand times. Well, see, I don't get hooked on that kind of shit because I'm not falling for Nintendo's bulldoin. We're not a big dumb dumb.

I'm not a big dumb dumb who's like, another Pikachu game or whatever. Fuck you. I fuck you, buddy. Literally guy has this guy's a Pokemon bracelet on right now. Did you see that study? That was like the Pokemon, growing up the Pokemon has literally changed the makeup of

Millennials brains. Like there's a section of your brain that lights up specifically for Pokemon. It's like food, animals, you know, family members, and there's a whole section that's like 200 monsters from when you were young. I did not see that study that I definitely would read it. It like reformed out of the way Millennials memories work. And I was like, Oh, this is why I can tell non-pokémon people from a mile away. And they're like, abhorrent demons.

Wow. They have to be collected and then turn into battle. You have to battle them with other non-pokémon people for the ultimate non-pokémon prize. Anyhow, so, so, yes, so there's a new version of Android. It's fine with everything. They've got foldable shit, 5G shitish airs. Nothing you can use, yeah. It gives a shit about that.

They keep trying to make me buy a thing to put my house with a camera in it. That is a, by the way, that's a line I draw. We don't have no Alexa. No hub. No Google. I do have the Alexa. No voice things.

I'm anti voice. I'm anti persistent camera. I got the Google home and the Alexa for free. One I won the other one Someone didn't want to give it away. They can't give them away. So it's fine to ask for the weather I wouldn't purchase one the Google home home. I want to communicate with we've talked about the Facebook hub home The app any of those screen portal. How is that more convenient than my phone to control my smart house? Like how is that or my iPad not closer to me? I don't need, and someone was like, oh, I like it

while I'm cooking to watch Netflix or whatever, and I'm like, I guess, but I use my iPad for that and also I had an injury while doing that, and Josh says not to do it. Right, that's fairly right. I don't know what it's for. I guess they want to recreate that situation. Remember, you'd have a tiny TV in your kitchen

in the 90s? No, no. Yes, of course. Yeah, the tiny kitchen TV dinner. A tiny kitchen TV dinner. Yeah, that's a good morning America. You're a mature horrible family. It's a sign felt. I've been there.

That's what they want to replace, but I don't miss that in my life. I sure, I agree. I think nobody's watching prestige TV on Google Home Club. No, it's like, didn't they have these, they have these scenarios. I mean, admittedly, admittedly, it's like you're cooking. You need a recipe, but that's on my iPad.

It's convenient. And then the iPad I can draw on later. I don't know, whatever. I'm sure there's like a few people who really love it. I mean, it just doesn't do anything for me, but then again, I don't cook very much. So maybe if I did, I would feel differently. It makes me think of those dash buttons

that I'm like, I guess someone could use this, but not enough to make it a bit of a dash button. It's just to do the. Exactly. Okay, and then they release two new phones. Yeah, it's pretty good. Pretty good price. Three AXL or something. Yeah, that was called. Is it three? Yeah, we're on three. Pixel three and three A and the three AXL. Horrible naming, but whatever. Who cares? All the names are bad. Name names are many words. XS Max. It's like the three axles. It's really bad. It's they just need like to call them things. We've gotten to the Kingdom Hearts. XS Max, it's like the three axles. It's really bad. They just need to call them things. We've gotten to the Kingdom Hearts stage of naming phones where it's like three X,

four eight and two remix, over 982 birth by sleep. I think that we need to, I think this phone company is all phone company should adopt a more like a car like naming convention for these things. Yeah, the accord. The accord. In the 2019 accord.

All even cars are getting like this though. Like the Mazda is now, there's like a Mazda like 3X. There's like a 5X5 or something. No, actually all the cars are like this now too. They don't even call cars things. There's no Taurus anymore. It's like the Ford T7. How about, I'm so sick, but the minute you said cars,

my mind started doing that. Yeah. Go to your local Lexus deal. Oh, I said I love so much. Fake British Lexus later. I love her. I thought you were saying about the movie cars, which I've never seen and refused to say.

Yeah, I don't know. All this Google stuff seems iterative and fine. There's nothing very... I'm annoyed, they're changing. They're changing the NAS stuff. Now, all their Google stuff is gonna be NASed related, but they're also killing IFTTT support They're changing. They're changing the nest stuff. Now all their Google stuff is like going to be nest related But they're also killing IFTTT support for nest So I have like a completely insane situation where I have like a net atmo device that reads like the temperature in Zelda's room

That sends like the temperature to IFTTT and then that tells the nest to change the temperature in our Tentrum air now you're being punished. And now yeah, and now like well So so it took them forever to introduce a nest, like a pod you could put in a room that would like sense the temperature of multiple rooms so you get like a general temperature of, this is by the way, the least relatable problem in the world.

Yes, it is extremely like a first world problem if that's what we're still calling them. And this isn't even first world. This is like middle class, which doesn't exist. This is like a middle class problem. This is like that movie where Matt Damon like is like living in a slum and then up in space is where all the rich people live.

It's like the problems of the people who are in space. Like the capital and hunger games. They're like my classic suit, he doesn't look perfect. Yeah, they're like my skin, L.E.D.s hard working. It's like, you know, like the purple is it purple enough. Um, I thought I looked like a cat. So Nass made these things like, you know, like the purple is it purple enough. I thought I looked like a cat. So Nass made these things like in the room, which is like, the whole reason was like, well, it's reading like the

temperature of one room, but we needed to read like temperature in other rooms. This is so dumb. They made a thing. I'm like, oh, they finally made the thing. It's like, it's only compatible with the new Nass. So I have to like get rid of my Nass, which was perfectly fine and cost hundreds of dollars just to use the little, which is bullshit. Yeah. Total bullshit.

And anyway, this is what the bleeding edge is like. I guess what I want to say is fuck Google and fuck nast. You started this conversation from, I trust Google, I love Google, Google is my mommy. You know, there's a noise. There's a noise. Anyhow, everybody's a noise. Speaking of annoying tech companies. Facebook.

Big editorial today. Chris Hughes annoying tech companies. Facebook. Big editorial today. Chris Hughes, a founder of Facebook, I mean, he was Mark Zuckerberg's roommate. I guess he worked early in the early years. Remember when he tried to buy his husband a seat in Congress? Yeah, he also bought the new Republic and then like did, well, the new Republic is a disaster, I guess, anyway, he slice it.

But he bought it. How did that go? Ran it poorly, then sold it for But he bought it. Has that gone? Ran it poorly, then sold it for like $1 or something to like a bunch of... He mined it. He like sold it to a bunch of like other rich white guys who are like... Yeah, so that's just in timber.

Who've like done more reading than he has? Like basically, and now they're running... Now they're running out? Yeah. At any rate, you know, like whatever. I mean, like all rich, right? Right, he had everything into the ground. He wrote a thing, it's like we got to break up Facebook.

It's like cool. He's like, yeah, he's like, I went to Mark's house and had barbecue last year. And now I think Mark sucks. It's like, whatever. Okay, so he has an email due back in six months and you're gonna tell us what we already have. No, I'm glad.

I'm glad it seems to be getting, like I was, you know, I tuned into MSNBC, which is available available to channel on my serious satellite radio in my car I can hear like all the MSNBC like live a live wank's talking about live the constitutional crisis and there You know that is a literal nightmare. They're like they're like you know There's TV TV news is so bad. It's so bad. It really is terrible. It's so. TV's bad. But, but anyhow, they were talking about how serious this is and how everybody's like, we gotta take a big look at this.

And, you know, it's like, okay, I actually agree. I mean, Facebook, but here's the problem. Like, you break, you can take Instagram and WhatsApp. And by the way, I think they should do this. Disconnect them from Facebook, make them their own companies, doing their own things. Don't let another company buy WhatsApp. Don't let another company buy Instagram, they can make their own money. They should divide the advertising.

But the, but the, but Facebook is, and the itself is still like over two billion users, and a massive amount of advertising revenue. But Thomas, my space at one point, and it can, no, no, no, without all these logins and the Instagram. No, I agree. it doesn't have to die Just needs to be smaller. It just needs to be more controllable. It's like it's like if only one billion people are on it There's a lot less damage you can do than having to but we're still only 750 million yeah You cross a threshold where you have like godlike power well, it's also like I mean the way the the I mean his I will say one of the points That he makes in his in his editorial that is worth repeating is that Mark Zuckerberg's the power

structured Facebook is such that Mark Zuckerberg has essentially absolute power. He is not governed by anybody. He has controlling a controlling stake in the company. And frankly, I think it's insane that like a single man, a single 30 year old white guy would have a controlling stake in the in the speech patterns of two billion people plus on a platform. But even Google has Bing. Facebook, what's the alternative? Well, come on. Instagram? No, I mean, but that's, which they also own.

But Facebook, there is no competitor where we would all switch. They just buy them all. But is it completely different? I mean, Google has its own problems, but the user base of YouTube is not as big as the user base of Facebook. And especially not the user base of all three of their big apps combined.

Gmail is basically the only way people use email. However, it's it's email, but it's an open standard. So it's private. It's a private. Yes, it's an open standard. You can use a different app. Other Facebook doesn't let you do that. Well, and the reason my Facebook is an a thing. It's like an entire world of content and that's why I'm saying break all of that up. Yeah. Well, I think messenger shouldn't be part of it. I think it's more than just like an entire world of content. That's what I'm saying, break all of that up.

Well, I think messenger shouldn't be part of it. I think it's more than just like breaking up Instagram and WhatsApp. So if you're gonna do that, why is messenger events like market events? Well, I mean, the groups, I think you have to ask question, should the groups be intermingled with like the sort of like main line of news content?

Like is news content even a thing? Is that even a thing they should do? Like, there's just a fun fundamental, but the problem is, the problem is how widespread it is and how, the Windows problem was different in that. When they broke up, Microsoft was running the computer platform, it didn't interconnect to so much. Yes, of course, there were things that interconnected, you know, was like running a, running the computer platform, it didn't interconnect to so much.

Like, yes, of course, there were things that interconnected, but at that point, it wasn't so vaguely intermingled with everything else. And so I think that- It was also a product and a tool that you used rather than a place where you got information. Right, it wasn't like-

It wasn't the place where you spent- It wasn't the place where you spent your actual life. It was the place where you went for the work or some entertainment or some, you know, some, some like entertainment or whatever, but it wasn't like you were, it was the single point where all things connect in your entire life. Yeah, which is basically Facebook has become

for a lot of people. So any, I look, I mean, Chris Hughes, I agree with 100%. I don't think we have a government currently that has the brains or willpower. The brains willpower understanding to actually do it the right way. I think vote for Elizabeth Warren. I hope.

Yeah, I mean Elizabeth Warren's a perfect example of hers. Well, I mean, her plan, her Amazon plan or whatever also has flaws. We need to start somewhere though. Yeah, we need to start somewhere. Let's just start, like,'s just start with some basic smart plans that are actually disrupt. No, but let's not just throw plans out there and do them because it feels good at the moment.

That's what we do. That's the Iraq war. Yeah, that was like, we got attacked. Let's go to war with some Arab people. Yeah, definitely breaking up Facebook and the other. No, it is, no, but it's, I got your saying here. A poorly pushed plan by people who have an agenda to make us all feel like we're doing something.

Yeah. And so they can get something they want to score a point, doesn't always mean it's the right plan. Yeah, I would like us to have a group of really smart people who are actual technologists, not the people who make this stuff, but critics, people like Tim Wu, would, that's a kind of guide, like to see in a position where he can speak like to the legislation on stuff like that. Mm-hmm like there are smart people who actually write and talk about this

That should be part of the process. They have a reality so Good point Alright in other news We got to talk about it and watch man. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, we just watched these trailers back to back We're in a big we're in a big moment for fandom. We just had the biggest probably the biggest we've are we're peak fans. We're in the with peaks in the midst of Peak nerd the biggest unmost unprecedented moment for for nerd fandom of all time. Yeah, which is like the end of game of The fever dream of my 13 year old self. Yeah, see I don't know if I ever dreamed this but it's it's become a reality But nonetheless the end of Game of Thrones, which is a book

that was literally like a fantasy book that has no business being as popular as it is as a show, that's become like a worldwide sensation. I think all of this is partially due to our desire to escape our actual reality as much as humanly possible. Yeah, it also doesn't condescend to you. Yeah, it's filled with smut and drama.

It's an adult fantasy. Yeah, not like an adult fantasy, but an adult fantasy. A round. And then the culmination of 11 years of Marvel films in Avengers Endgame, which is like definitely like looking back on it. By the way, I watched the original Iron Man the other day

to talk about it a little bit. But while they're right. Looking back on it, it the way, I watched the original Iron Man the other day. I've talked about it a little bit. But for a while, they're, I'm looking back on it. You know, it's sort of incredible. I mean, it's just an unprecedented thing that they've made all of these movies that most of them. This wasn't a sure thing that most of them worked really well. Well, I think that like watching Iron Man is really eye opening because like, it's, I think they were like, it's kind of a genre film. Robert Downey, Jr. was not a massive like box office like slam dunk at them time. And it's kind of a genre film. Robert Downey Jr. was not a massive box office, like slam dunk at the time.

And it's directed by John, so it's directed by John Fevro, who I don't think, I don't know how this happened that he directed, made a movie, I don't remember. He directed Elf, which is a good movie. Yeah, but I wouldn't have been like, well, the next thing we need to give him is a superhero. So there are a space adventure. I have no recollection of this.

I remember that. This looks bad. There are. It's like a kid's movie about space. And then Iron Man. So, I mean, it's incredible that they like, they made these movies into like this massive franchise. So the first one's interesting.

Just, I know I'm a little bit off of our talking about Watchman and it and all the other shit. But like, so first off, Robert and Junior kind of had a shape in the movie. Kind of a little bit of a gut. Like he's the one. Which maybe is like part of the point. I like it. They clearly were like, this is kind of Batman.

Like, in that he's super smart, he doesn't have any super powers. He's Batman meets like Spider-Man. He has a lot of gadgets. Yeah. He's a show boat. And the origin story is like, a bit the origin story, it's first of it's so steeped in like early 2000s, like.

We hate Muslims, the Iraq war. It's like really racist, but it's also like, it's fains like wokeness about the racism where it's like, it's also like, it fiends like, wokeness about the racism where it's like, it's also like corporate capitalist war is bad. Unless you got a good guy in there. Yeah, yeah, it's like, it's like, we're, we make weapons and that has to stop.

Unless I, unless I get Mark Zuckerberg to do it. Unless it's me personally is the weapon and then I think it's good. Corporations are bad. Silicon Valley. Excellent. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's a weird thing. It's just an odd movie to watch. Yeah. Like the flow of the movie is very strange. It's like there's a whole front end of the movie where it's like, first off, I'm sorry, the whole plot where he builds the Iron Man suit, well like they are watching him on video. They literally see him like testing out a leg and go in and like interrogate him.

And they're like interrogating him and his the guy who, by the way, the original guy who helps him build the suit is an Asian character I guess, like for the time era when these were made. So there's a whole story where that takes place in like somewhere in Asia, but now it's like somewhere in the Middle East or whatever. At any rate, they're like, they come in and they're like,

what are you really doing here? They're like, well, have your missiles tomorrow. It's like, the guy wants them to build a missile. And it's like, they're clearly not building a missile. They're building a glove. If he's testing out like this leg thing, you could just look around and see if the parts seem like missile parts.

Like, where are they gonna hide them? You're imprisoned by you. You have an army of men with guns. Like, and you also are surveilling them on video. So it's really hard to believe that somehow they whip up You have an army of men with guns. And you also are surveilling them on video. So it's really hard to believe that somehow they whip up the Iron Man suit under the watch of these horrible terrorists

who could kill them whenever they want. You have to think in the script process, he built an arm cannon with a missile on it and that was the beginning of the Iron Man there. We don't have time to do that. Let's just make him make a suit at the beginning like a full suit, it'll just be kind of ugly. And then we'll do another montage where he makes the better looking

suit. Well, that's not that that's like so obviously. But the logic doesn't work. Well, I mean, just it's like completely unbelievable. He'll be able to make the suit. But okay, let's just let's just also say it's completely unbelievable the Batman would be able to do Batman stuff. Okay, fine. Sure. He gets out. He's like, he like has a fight. He gets injured. He comes back. I still don't really understand the thing that this chest makes no sense. It's like drawing, drawing, trapping all towards his, but also powering him. It's also like, how does it not kill him from an infection? I will say, none of us at the time, or currently appreciate Gwyneth Paltrow, grounding that film.

Oh, there's a whole scene, okay, there's also a whole scene where she reaches into an orifice in his chest, a hole in his chest, which is essentially fisting a hole in his chest and pulling out like parts that are covered in like what appears to be the loob. And it's like really either they did not know what it looked like or they knew what it looked like. Either way, let's get Gweneth Poucher to fist Harvard every time. Either way, it's a really weird scene when you watch it. It's just like, this is unusual to watch.

Also, the scene's like where PEPRPOTS is like dulled up at an event. And it's like, how is it in 2008, whatever was dulling somebody up made them look worse? And it's also the thing of like, Gwen and Pouch was never gonna look bad in a scene in this movie. She looks good, it's just like PEP just like pepper pot. She looks like really cute all the time. And then like, they put her in the scene where she's like wearing like an evening gown, has her hair like,

curled and I'm like, it just looks like what is also that whole thing with the vanity fairs around unless they're like, they were dumb slut bimbo because you slept with someone. That's the first one of the, as in the first one. It's the first one. Yeah, I don't know. I was like drinking while watching it. So you know, I didn't catch every little little thing. There's an odd in an knack. But there's like an hour of whatever, and then it's like, then Robert Downey Jr. is like, a past, he's like, we're not gonna make weapons anymore,

then he's like, let me make this suit, and then immediately, the suit making things weird, there's like a weird like kind of YouTube video quality to some of that where, I'm like, he's like, him testing it and like, screwing up and it's like, this is an office. And it goes for a long time.

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it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's to the whole thing. So it's incredible that from that, this entire franchise grew and that they managed to make, like most of the movie's pretty entertaining and most of the successful. Like I've recently watched... As comic book movies, they're all within like B plus and above. And as movie movies, they're all B minus and above.

So like I watched Civil War, Civil War's I got like a fairly good plot, like the Winter Soldier isn't, they're not exactly good in a way. I still think there's like some ridiculous stuff going on in them but it's also like I you know I was talking to Laura we're watching Civil War and like Captain America shows up at at Bucky's apartment in like Amsterdam wherever they are and and he's wearing like the Captain America suit it's blue it's red-white and blue it's got a big star on its chest and And I just feel like at some point,

if you were Captain America, you'd be like, listen, I get the propaganda stuff that you're doing in the 40s. It's like, why don't we just give me a suit that's a little like less absurd. If you're gonna lean into the camp. And the ridiculousness, lean into it. Or lean out.

Why not say, I'm just saying like in reality. Yeah, but I'm saying, if they're gonna do like multi-dimensional time travel, legions of heroes, let's lean into that. Yeah, I guess so. Or if they're gonna do like multi-dimensional time travel, Galegians of Heroes, let's lean into that. Yeah, I guess so. Or if we're gonna make a spy movie, let's not dress up in like Halloween costumes. But there's something idea for having armor, I get that. Just like your armor is like red, white and blue, and it has a star in the middle of

it, so that's unusual. Also Iron Man is like, his suit is like, oh this thing, the thing in my chest, the power is the suit, I would cover it up. I would not make it a thing as a glowing target. Week point? Right here, baby. It's like, I'm gonna cover this in glass, I guess. That'll be fine.

And make sure everybody can see it. Does it need to be seen? Like, does it have to get exposed to the air or something? I'm just like, I would not make that a target. I would cover it up with the stuff that you put on your face. The movies are better when you think glass. Yeah, exactly. Anyhow.

So they may have a critical moment in fandom, but there's been nothing really new since Game of Thrones and the Marvel stuff that has taken off quite in the way that those pieces of content have. I mean, in popular culture, and I do feel we are, I mean, watching endgame you do get this feeling of like like okay, how long can you like Keep can you milk this right how long can I like I mean they really they killed Everybody in the last two Avengers movies like they really I mean super in I mean the main characters But I mean they just can they went to a place where they're like Lucas destroying New York to like Thanos killed half of all life in the entire Universe and then at the end of the last one spoiler spoiler alert, by the way, he was like,

I think I'm actually gonna kill everybody. And it's like, okay, so now we know there's a device that has the power to kill everybody, which is definitely getable again. Yeah, you just need a pin particle, which definitely can be made apparently because all you have to do is go back in time and get the pin particle.

Or you can still, like, pin so alive. So now he got by Ant-Man's house. Where do you get, how do you get? Why can only one person make pin particles? It's like he is like a little like bit of paprika that only he has access to. He's got the little easy big oven for bed at any rate. So so now the stakes are so high. But we're at a point where like we were with comic book movies with like Spider-Man and all the Batman movies in the 90s and then the reaction to that was the Dark Knight. And so we've got all to that was the Dark Knight.

And so we've got all these Marvel movies. Yeah, the Dark Knight did the exact same thing which is like the final Dark Knight movie. Yes. The Bane is destroying all of Gotham and killing everybody. But I mean like tonally it shifted. I think right now we were in a tonally, we were in like a fun adventure, superhero's place.

And Watchman I think might be the reaction to that. Yeah, but the problem is nobody's gonna, nobody's gonna like nerd out on watchmen the way they've nerded out on Marvel or Game of Thrones because they just don't have like, I mean, the watchmen. That's the universe. Well, it's just like the watchmen characters.

I mean, it's, to me, and this makes sense that Damon Lindelof is doing it. It looks the, the new watchmen, and there's this trailer out of you haven't seen it. The new watchmen series, which apparently takes place way, way past the, it takes place in modern time, like our current time, as if the events of 1985 from the book happened. And then this is the aftermath of that, like 20 years later, it's very leftovers in vibe in my opinion. I would

say watch the trailer, there's a extremely lost slash leftover vibe happening, not surprising, given who it's coming from. I think it's an interesting setup. I certainly am excited about watching it. And I hope that like, I mean, seems like Damien Lindoff, who wrote this huge, he wrote this huge letter about his, he like had this, you know, he's a lover of watchmen. He's a hardcore, like comic fan. He had apparently reached out to Alan Moore

and had some kind of like conversation that he doesn't reveal the results of. But says that like, you know, he cares as much about Watchman as any hardcore fan does and he wants to see something like new done. And so that gives me a little bit of hope that he actually does have some, I mean, I personally don't need any more Watchman content, but maybe he'll do some interesting with it. But I just think, I think like Westworld, they're good. It's entertaining. it's interesting, I mean Westworld, I think season two lost a lot of people, I would say.

I'd rather have six genre shows with sizeable fandoms divided rather than two franchises that dominate everything in the ones possessive. But that domination has driven the rise of so many of those. Like there is no Westworld without Game of Thrones without the Marvel stuff. And so I think, you know, now it's like, we're coming to an interesting point.

I just wish we didn't need like those smashed successes to get anything else green left. Well, it's just, but also like, I do feel it to me. I feel like it feels like the end of the rave where it's like, all right, the drugs have worn off that you've done all the build up to break down. So you can pass away handle it. It's like the sun's coming up.

And now it's like time to go home, you know? And what does that mean for like fandom in general? What does that mean for like genre in general? Because I think there's like an interesting question now to ask, which is like, can there be another, there's never been, you're gonna hate that. But hold, there's never been anything like Game of Thrones on television really.

No, there's never been anything like, the closest thing would be like, I don't know, like, there's a brand new, dynasty, meat. Yeah, but not, but no never been anything like, the closest thing would be like, I don't know, like, there's a Prano's. Dynastie, me. Yeah, but not, but no, but, what's a massively popular serial prestige? Serial prestige.

Overpressed. So popper. But fantasy, like fan-dum. High fantasy, yeah. But with the end of the, the closest thing is like Lord of the Rings, which were movies. Yeah, maybe, but also with the engine of fandom that exists now on the internet.

The same thing is true for the Marvel movies. It's like the engine has driven so much of this. The engine of fandom, the engine of Reddit theories and of speculation. Yeah, to have gotten from Buffy to Game of Thrones in this span of a couple of decades. Walking Dead's, obviously, a huge part of it. Yeah. The rise, the rise of adult. Yeah, the rise of...

Well, like not condescending to your audience, trying to do something. Any kind of like serialized like adult drama that takes its like, its audience and their fandom seriously, I think obviously lost as a part of it. There's a lineage of the stuff I can get as a huge part of.

Desperate housewives is a big part of it. I don't maybe, I don't know, I can't comment on that but I'm gonna take your word for it. It's like a, it's like a high visual concept soap opera. I mean, now you're gonna, like basically, you can be like, grazing anatomy as a part of it. No, no, no, no. I think the difference with Jasper Housewives

is that a lot of men watched it with their wives and it was like high soap opera and it was pretty and I think like that was a flavor that we were like, oh yeah. I mean, I think we can take this seriously. Because before that, it was like, I said dynasty, which was camp and people laughed at. Well, like real relationships with adult characters,

you think, or at least like, relationships that tackle real things, maybe they're not like very realistic, but so anyhow, so it's an interesting moment. So now there's like, obviously there's a new wave, there's Spider-Man Far from Home, which there's a new trailer and like a clip of him talking to Mysterio,

which raises some interesting questions. I like the trailer. I will say, it looks good. We're just getting to Silver Age. Well, it's basically like a good. It's just not, I mean, I'm like looking at it going, we're chasing the dragon at this point. Yeah, I'm like, what will this tell me about endgame that I haven't already learned? Or what will this tell me at the future of the Marvel Universe?

I mean, I think a lot of what the hype around Spider-Man now is, is that, oh, there's a bunch of stuff about how like the multiverse. Mysterio is from a version of our Earth that's not the Earth that Peter Parker's on, and that means like, oh my God, what if Iron Man's still alive? Which by the way, spoiler alert, he definitely is alive. Oh, yeah.

In some other version. He'll be coming back for some crossover movie. Two movies. Some crossover, two movies, two parter. He'll come in, do some stuff, then leave again, and we'll all be like, Robert Downey. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's very simple, okay?

It's like, there's gonna be Spider-Man movie, they're gonna do another Black Panther movie. I don't know the full schedule, but I'm just gonna riff on this because I think it's something like this. Do you think we're building to Secret Wars? Well, first off, okay, first off, Battle, or, I mean, yeah, Battle, or,

I mean, if we're building to Secret Wars, I'm like, they're gonna bring in the X-Men characters. But like, you need a, who's the leader? I'm not saying Captain Marvel isn't the leader, but I don't, I think it's Captain Marvel. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I think that's what they're gonna do. They may try, but we live in America, okay?

Okay. I don't think Captain Marvel's gonna fly for the bros who love, for the bros who literally were like, trying to like, nag Captain Marvel before the movie was even released in the comics for a while it was black widow but Scarlett Johansson can't sustain that kind of black widows out of the picture but also the actress couldn't be a leader I'm sorry Scarlett Johansson is kind of a bad actor I have to tell you I think she's like there's like there's like some line there's some lines not an

act or some lines in endgame where I'm like is this really the best she could do in this like this but it means the same thing with I don't know it's like some line attracted to her. There's some lines. It's not an act or some lies in endgame where I'm like, is this really the best she could do in this? Like this. But it's the same thing with Jeremy Renner. I mean, Renner at least is like, he's just like a Renner ain't. Like, he at least has can play the role of Jeremy Renner pretty well, it seems. Jeremy Renner's greatest role is a normal person.

Yeah. Fred Armason. At any rate, at any rate. And any rate, so yeah,. So yeah, watch with trail. It looks fine, whatever. I have nothing to say about it. I will watch it. I'm excited.

Who watches the watch man? Me. I'm excited for it. So then there's a new hit trailer. There's a new hit trailer that came out today. I, here's my controversial review of it. Bryce Dallas, Jessica, chain. Howard, chain.

Here's my, here's my, here's my car to review of it. I didn't think the first hit was that great. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, here's my, here's my card review. I didn't think the first it was that great. I- The stranger things for basics. Kind of, like, look, I was good. I had just read the book. Yeah, well that's gonna fuck you. Which is a co-fuck you ever took.

Coke fueled the hell world. No, it is the book is ridiculous, but there's stuff in the book that's really, really good. There's stuff in the book that the movie only hints at that is the stuff that they really should, first of all, it should be not just sex stuff, but the, no, not definitely not that, but it should be more than two movies,

that's my opinion, they need a lot more time. It really should have been a game of Thrones level, yeah, series that went over like five or six seasons because it would have been fucking amazing. And they could have like done like two seasons with like the kids and two seasons with the adults. And that would have been like the perfect like pressed each television.

Like big little lives. Like it's limited, but that's super limited. Yeah, but so the first movie cut out a ton of stuff that I thought was really important. And also it like got to a conclusion that it had to get to that actually happens at the end of the book. Like the end of the book goes back and forth

to some extent and we try. And it's like so what happens is like you see like everything that happens in the end of the book. Like the end of the book goes back and forth to some extent. Yeah, and we cut and we chop. And it's like, so what happens is like you see like everything that happens in the book, even though like it needs to be in a certain sequence in the book to make sense, it's like all happens, a bunch of stuff happens early on, so you're kind of like, okay, I guess that's sort of alluding to the thing that's interesting here. And so I assume we'll get to more of that. Like, if you, I guess maybe if you haven't read it, it's really great.

Yeah, it's a great book. And if you've read. Do we'll lie. No, if you, I guess maybe if you haven't read it, it's really great. If you read, if you've read, do align. No, I mean, no, no, it is an amazing book. If you haven't read the book, the movie's probably much better. Because like, oh, if you don't have it, if you haven't read the book, if you don't have all these things, I bet you're saying that the movie's better. I was like, no, no, I'm saying the movie's better

if you haven't read the book. I think you read the book. There's a lot. And I don't mean to be one of those guys. I don't need, I'm not like a, I doesn't need to be like, perfectly, you know, it's like, it doesn't need to be perfectly matched to what is in the book, but that would actually be terrible.

But I think there are things that the book explores that are so, they play so well into our modern, like ideas of like the scope of fantasy worlds and like the, the, the, the, and like the origin stories which clearly the new movie based on the trailer is gonna like explore a bit. But the origin story of Pennywise is so much when it happens in the book,

and I'm not gonna ruin that, I'm not gonna spoil it for anybody, but I'll just say this. And I listened to the book, an audio book, which took that will fuck you. Hours, hours and hours. I mean, it took, it was like 40 or 50 hours. Imagine how many cassettes that was. I know, right?

But when it reveals something about like the origins of Pennywise, it is so devastating and bizarre. And epic and weird and pale. It is like such a total like like galaxy brain like actual galaxy brain level like where did this come from? How did he think of this? And it is like so. Okay. Yeah, I think maybe yeah, I suppose cocaine for him. I'm not really sure, but it's so fucking good. And I was like, holy shit, this book took on a completely different character. Like you think it's a horror novel. And the movie is like a horror movie.

It is a straight up horror movie. It is not a horror novel. It is a, at the risk of giving it away, don't, don't. Can I just say there's genre? No, don't. It's not horror. It's not horror. It's not a horror movie.

The movie's gonna come out and we will do it that. Maybe. The, it's horrific, it's terrifying. But that book is not a horror novel. It is something else and if you if you have not read the book And you are interested in what I'm telling you I implore you read the fucking book It is worth it. There's only three books that made better movies than they were books and this is just my opinion Oh boy controversial the shining oh I've read the book the movie is very good. I even Stephen King hated it for my address. Well, he was wrong. Yeah.

Jurassic Park, just because seeing dinosaurs has will always be more impactful than reading dinosaurs. And the devil's product because that was like a thought catalog essay that made a great movie. I haven't read the book, but the devil's product is as we know in American classic. It should be an AFI reddable film number one on the AFI. It's a credible film. Most memorable. Suddenly I see by Katie Tunstle suddenly iconic so good. All right. So we cover all the fandom stuff we need to cover.

Yeah. I think we did. We covered a lot of it. You want to take it down a few notches? I guess. You talk about the constitutional crisis. Listen, we can talk about the constitutional crisis, but I don't know what to say other than like the houses on fire and we're in it.

Please help me. I mean, we're literally at the point now where they're like, this is going to, we got to ask this is a Supreme Court and it's like, okay, guys, like if that's the case, we're fucked. I mean, we're, it's just like really, they're really, look, Evan Rogers and I are now in a long DM conversation about how to do Doomsday prep on a budget because that's where we're at.

And we're seriously like, will we just die? Should I just die? I think the reality is we're actually, should we hoard medication? Look, I think you and Evan are not to knock it too much, but I think you guys are probably like fairly on the outside danger range. I don't know.

Who's really going to be. Climate crisis. Yeah, climate, but like climate, it's gonna be, it's a slow motion disaster. I mean, it's moving quickly, but it's not in your lifetime will you see the true effects of climate change? I don't know if that's true.

You're seeing some of it, but you're not gonna be like our children's life. And then I also, we're also in oppressed groups that will be fucked over. Yes, but you're both white men. Sure. And you know, you just be like, I'm straight. Yes, but you're both white men. Sure. And you know, you just be like, I'm straight.

Yeah, I could go back in the closet, but it's a, my closet was forever made of like glass. So the glass closet, is that a book or something? Cause it should be. Yeah. Oh, I see. The glass closet. A lot of ways to take that.

No, I'm just saying that like, the mandem tolboot. I'm saying that. At first, if we know who he's who he's directly pressing as actively as possible right now, and it's definitely people, it's not people with white skin. Women of color. Women of color are the top of the list, but also women. I mean, whatever's going on with women right now, the abortions of the tap in this country is fucking insane. I can't even talk about it. I just start crying. No, it's like truly, so you know, there are, there are people of color, women, obviously,

the LGBTQ community, specifically trans people, specifically trans people, which we know have been like single out like on the military stuff or whatever. I don't think there's a little bit a lot of overt, like I think they haven't yet approached like overtly saying like homosexuality as a sin, like as a constitutional new decree or whatever.

But we're like that. We're pretty fucking close. You know, I just think it's like, I know everybody's fighting about, and we don't have to get into this. I know everybody's fighting about how bad Joe Biden is or whatever, but I'm sorry. Like we need to get this president out of office.

We need to get, I don't care who it is. I really don't. I don't care. It can be just made an argument. Come on, we need to get the best ideas, not just any ideas, because we need something. I want all the best candidates. Whoever the candidate is who can win,

that's all I care about. I'm, you know what I am? There's a bell curve. Let's just pick from the top of the bell curve. Joe Biden's at the back. Let's just, there's so many fucking candidates. I hope that we see, I hope we see, and Joe Biden's not far.

I hope we see an Obama level surge from a person who we think is like in the background But we got to do it. I think we got to do it. Well, it's gonna happen. Let's set the tone You have to know that you and I do not represent the Totality of the Democratic base in America. Listen to tomorrow. Listenership is a powerful boy. No, my point is this I'm just saying that like a lot of people Like like Laura's dad who registered to vote for the first time like in is a powerful boy. No, my point is this. I'm just saying that a lot of people, like Laura's dad, who registered to vote for the first time in 30 years or something recently,

because he's so upset about Trump. By the way, I think this is a person who is an amazing, I thought you were gonna say to vote for Trump, but I was gonna say to him. No, you slam another tumbler into it. Actually, I'm gonna give you a little bit of a window into a tiny spot of hope that I have in life. Okay.

Laura's dad, Larry, is a hardcore. Larry? Yeah, Larry. Lawrence, actually. Hardcore, not given a shit about what's going on in politics. Hate some all. One of these people who's like an old person who's like, they're all bunch of crooks.

They're all crooks, who cares, you know? Didn't like Hillary, didn't like Trump, didn't like anybody. He's like, I'm not voting for anybody. Who cares, what is it matter? It's time. It's the fixes in whatever all that shit, you know? I mean, he's not like, he didn't care.

He basically wasn't like, he wasn't watching. He watches golf. He watches Alabama, college football, big fan of Crimson tide uh... which is a sounds like he's thriving yet no he's the livid is best life he calls he's retired he calls he chills he doesn't care he's not and by the way don't be

you become friends with loren very easy i'll introduce you to the next time he he lives in western pennsy venue a place that is like a fair there are areas of western pennsy that are very read i believe where he lives which is in the suburbs of pizburg it's actually quite red because like in the middle of pennsyvacance like pennsyl tuckies we call it it that are very red, I believe, where he lives, which is in the suburbs of Pittsburgh, it's actually quite red. Cause like in the middle of Pennsylvania, it's like pencil tuckies, we call it. It's a very red state. And well, it is now a fucking red state, which is a spectacular accent.

Yeah, great, beautiful, a western Pennsylvania accent. But he has become like fully radicalized over the past year or two. Like, like, he's like, when we're there, he's watching CNN, he's like talking about how bad Trump sucks for America. He has registered to vote. Larry's like, he is like, he is like talking about like, he's like, you know, talking about the candidates. He's talking about AOC, like, he's so impressed by AOC and shit. Like, dude, this is the guy, the entire time, known him, the, the 15 years I've known him. So his peck, he never heard his peck will be our peck. When I'm saying is like, that's a guy who needs, he's like, who's, who's it going to be?

Like, I don't know. I just don't feel like excitement about any of these candidates, you know? Like, but I don't feel good. Well, he's not going to vote for it. He's not going to vote for Trump. I know that. So then let's get it. He wants to vote.

He's like, he wants to vote. But we have to get people excited, not just about us in New York and not about not Trump. And not just about not Trump. Like, people do need to feel like they can, somebody is like gonna help us out of this. Am I just gonna be his love? He's like, is he his only person that inspires? Well, I mean, but here's an interesting thing.

And I don't love him. It's a good question. I'm not a real, real, real, real, real the way I've had conversations about this and he doesn't care what How you know what people are through gay straight whatever like he doesn't give a shit Will that will things like that be an issue? I mean they were saying about people who are in their 60s 70s You know, I can't wait till we have a Bill Clinton South scandal about a president giving a blow job That will be a new one. I mean, I'd say it'll be interesting to see how people react to that kind of stuff You know like like I do think a lot of his dislike of of Hillary was driven That will be a new one. I mean, it'll be interesting to see how people react to that kind of stuff.

Like, I do think a lot of his dislike of Hillary was driven not by actual facts about Hillary, but by the media's portrayal of her as, and by the way, Hillary's a flawed candidate, but I do think he is notable disdain for her, I think was driven by a lot of the media sort of picture that was painted. A lot of it has to do with what is the overall picture being painted?

And I do, and so it'll be interesting to see what I will say is the hope here, and where I have the glimmer of light in an otherwise very dark room, is that here's a guy who's never wanted to participate, never talked about it, never registered to vote since I've known him, and suddenly he has very fired up about how we get Trump out of office. And this is a guy who's an old dude who lives in Western Pennsylvania. So if there are more people like him, it gives me the hope that we possibly are like the thing that we think needs to happen is actually happening, which is like. Trump has made people come out of the woodwork and go like, I need to do something, you know?

And that's like a big deal. Because I don't think we've had that in a really long time. Yeah. But then it's like, who's he gonna vote for? Like, I don't know who he's fired. He's not really fired up about anybody. So now he's gonna get fired up. Fire it up, ready to go.

I think we've got to... I think we've got to... What was his thing? What was Obama's thing? He was like fired up. Ready to roll or something. Ready to roll. Well, fired up, ready to go. I think it's whatever seems like a distant memory, but you know I I cried the night the stronger together listen. Not a good not a good thing. This is my fight song. What is the

what is I like it? Like it was warrants the live is warrants thing is like I have a plan for that now. Yeah, I have a plan for that. It's good. I like it. I like it. I like a person with plans, but like, a lot more authentic than stronger together. What's Biden's thing? I, listen, I didn't, I didn't grab her tits. Okay, I was giving her a hug.

That's his campaign life. I don't think he grabbed anybody's tits. Well, listen, I wasn't a plagiarist. I was just copy and pasting speech. I don't, I don't like Joe Biden's like a sexual harasser. I think he just love it. I'm not defending him. I just don't think he's done actual like sex like assault. Okay.

Asi. I think he's done some like dumb old guy like two and a kind of shit telling of someone's character. If they treat somebody's body as their own prop to use and touch without listening to what they're saying. The real prompt. And not having the ability to apologize and learn. The real promise is apology. Is that when people are like, you've been too handsy, you've been too touchy, feely, you

should have been like, you know what, you're right. I've made mistakes. That's not the right way to interact with women of any age. This is the exact thing we have to challenge. And I'll do it with myself. Yep, I've made mistakes. That's not the right way to interact with women of any age of any relationship To challenge and I'll do it myself and I've learned and I'm gonna do better And I'm gonna make sure that all men in this country do better or whatever and I'm a perfect person to teach them because I made the mistake myself Yeah, but his thing was like his thing was like

Listen if it made him uncomfortable. I'm sorry. Moaniels. I don't feel bad for you You fucking complainers. I didn't say that, but maybe I've been too hands-y, but that's just the way it was in my generation or something like that. It's like, whatever. Okay, here we go. Here's the slowings, you ready? Michael Bennett, who just joined the race from Colorado,

building opportunity together. Nope. Joe Biden, our best days still lie ahead. It's weirdly apocalyptic, but I like it. Cory Booker, we rise. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. Steve values are. I don't like the word values in any of these. Big sky value sounds like a sale that's happening at a store called Big Sky. Pete Buttigieg, a fresh start for America.

I don't hate it. That's fine. Julian Castro, Julian Castro. I'm not sure if it's Julian. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't hate it. That's fine. Julian Castro, Julian Castro? I'm not sure if. Yeah, he's Julian, yeah. One nation, one destiny. It's a little nazi-ish. Yeah, I don't love that. John Delaney focused on the future. Okay, that's good.

Tulsi Gabbard. Na-na-na-na-na-na-na. Lead with love. Yeah, it's true thing Tulsi. Gillab, lead with love. Sure thing, Tulsi. Jill Brand, brave wins. Brave wins? Weird.

Mike Gravel, whoever that is. He's that one that the teenagers were doing on Twitter. No more wars. This is... Yeah. Kamala Harris for the people. Sure. It's kind of stronger together is. Yeah, sure.

John Higgiloper come together. I like it. I like it too. Let's do it. Very sexy. Jay Inslee, our moment. Sure, why not? Amy Clopatra, this is the worst.

No, this is the worst. I don't even want to hear it out loud. Amy for America. What's new Selena now? Wow, Wayne Messham. Wayne for America. Whoever the fuck, Wayne is Seth Moulton Wow Wayne mess them Wayne for America Whoever the fuck wait is Seth Moulton Seth Moulton for America, okay, Beto. We're all in this together Like high school musical Beto and by and just similar Biden is our best day still I had and his is we're all in this together through these weirdly like well

My as well. We're all in this burning house. Tim Ryan, Tim Ryan never heard of him. Our future is now, okay, incorrect, but fine. Welcome to our podcast tomorrow. Bernie Sanders, is this real, not me us? Not me us. He's like literally responding to, it's like, I can't be right.

Philosophy of capitalism versus socialism, democratic socialize that. No, I think it's like it's not about one person, it's about us together. Not about selfishness, it's about rising tide, racial, political revolution. I'm looking at his, I don't see this, yeah, not me us, it is actually. It is this thing. Okay, why not? I like the idea, hold on. We're still going listen I fucking hate the man, but this is no make America great again air swap

The point and for dumb dumb air swap well never heard of them go big be bold do good Swole well Elizabeth Warren has three Three I don't know what she's got three slogans 87 plans hold on we will rebuild the Little class The Reese Logan's 87 plans. We will rebuild the middle class. We will rebuild the middle class. We persist and win with Warren. None of those should be it. There should be. I have a plan.

Definitely should be. I have a plan. Elizabeth Warren. I'm going to see it for a website. Dick K. Just delete the other ones. Pretend you never had them. Elizabeth Warren.

Let me tell you the worst was Pete fleet. What's Pete fleet? Is that like a Wang gang gang? Yes, but it's a little ill-fated because a fleet is something used for KSEX. It's a KSEX product, it's called Fleet. So why would you call it the Pete Fleet? What will Elizabeth Warren do?

We will end corruption in Washington, rebuild the middle class, strengthen our democracy. I've not seen a slogan here, equal justice under laws. All sounds good, a foreign policy for all. See all issues. So is her slogan, what will Elizabeth Warren issues. It's so, it's her slogan, what will Elizabeth Warren do?

It's like WW, EWD, okay. She needs, I had peace, one of his packs reach out to me when I pointed out that Pete Fleet was bad. So maybe we should get on Twitter and point out some of these stuff and get them to be better. Marion Williamson joined the evolution. Terrible, I don't know what she is or what she stands for.

Join the evolution. That sounds. I don't know what she is or what she stands for. Join the evolution. That sounds like a slogan for Detective Pikachu. Andrew Yang, humanity first. That sounds like a slogan for Westworld. Yeah. Yang gang. I like Bill Weld's. America has a choice.

He's running Republican running against Trump. Again, that sounds like America has a choice. It sounds like a brand that is sold at Costco. America's choice. I'm gonna have to tell you. I'll tell you. I think the best, maybe it's Walmart, I live in the city. I actually think the best slogan is Buttigieg.

Yeah, a fresh start for America. Yeah, that feels like what I want. Yeah, that's what I want. Yeah, I want a new beginning. I, again, I don't agree with him on everything. And I don't necessarily think he's gonna be like the greatest person that's ever lived, but I do think he might actually,

from the outside, swing in and win this fucking thing. Again, I don't, it's like, you don't have to be the best. Yeah. You have to be better than Donald Trump. You've settled for Biden, so at this point, why not booting judge? No, just like better, be better than Donald Trump. That's all I ask, okay?

Can you do that? Let's talk about something else. Let's move on. I can't do it this. I neither can I, it? Can you do that? Let's talk about something else. Let's move on. I can't do it this. I neither can I. It's horrible. Is there anything else I can do about it? The Met Gala.

You have Howard written in here. What does that mean? Howard Stern. Oh Howard Stern, right? We got Howard Stern, the Met Gala. Oh Met Gala. Let's get North Korea. North Korea is still firing on.

North Korea is still firing on. They're firemen. They're firemen. They're, I honestly, we're all gonna die. They should shoot a new crystal at us and let's just end it all. It would be if you're gonna be just fucking kill me very ironic to be destroyed by a nuclear weapon from the guy who Donald Trump was like we love each other like it would be kind of fitting in a way. He's gonna be in my hand up under the table as he hits the button.

Met Gala. Met Gala. What do you say Gala? Who says Gala? British people? Weirdos. British the British. They say a hard day on everything. Gala sounds like something Lady Gaga was saying as she says all the consonants in the world. She's doing like a Madonna-ish kind of fake British. I went to the Met Gala. Met Gala.

Gala. I don't know. I went to the Met Gala. The theme was camp. Yeah. And people did funny costumes. Camp is my favorite. Funny outfits.

Some people didn't. Camp is my favorite. Funny outfits. Some people didn't. Like, the oldson twins. The oldson twins didn't understand what Camp was, so they just wore like black outfits. They're like, saw someone, maybe no one will notice that we don't get what Camp is. They were in all black except for a little yellow and someone wrote like a dialogue between them.

That was like, Anna called. She said the assignment is camp. Oh, should we wear all black with this blasher, Viello? Yes, sounds very dramatic. I'm looking at, I'm looking at, I'm gonna look at some pictures here from the, here's the thing though, I don't think everyone understood what camp was.

No, and it's an impossible challenge because camp by its very nature is not intentional. So to spend a bunch of money, what was, I think, the campiest thing was Celine Dion didn't know what it was so she dressed as a showgirl I think Jared let it go. I think Jared let it go. Right or a Katy Perry trying to get into a hamburger outfit while Jennifer Lopez watches her struggle to put it on that's Camp Katy Perry. That's like the comeback Katy Perry was wearing a she was like a chandelier

That was at the beginning and then inside she changed it was dumb whatever it was it was really stupid But that's closer to camp because she doesn't understand that it's stupid, so that's camp. So, she's gonna give Katy Perry credit for getting it right. I'm viewing the slideshow right now, and I'll tell you what I say. If the listener at home doesn't understand camp,

it's like divine the drag queen, it's like bad taste done intentionally, and proudly, and earnestly, and authentically, and you think you look amazing, so you do look amazing. Lady Gaga wore this gigantic parachute dress and then took it off and was wearing like a Chicago style, like Burlash outfit.

She wore four different outfits. She had four different outfits. She changed dress' dress several times and then there was like a storyline to it. And then when she got to the top, she just kinda like did poses on the stairs, which that's camp. Harry Styles wore a blouse, a sheer blouse, not camp.

Not camp. Also, I'm so sick of everyone being like, Harry Styles, Shatters, Gender Norms, see what I mean. Well, like Styles, is he's by now? Vagely by. Okay. Alexis Ohanian and Serena Williams, not camp, not camp.

He's just wearing a tuxedo, so there's nothing can't be about that. Jared Leto was wearing like robes of some kind of prince and carrying his own head. Someone else carrying Jared Leto's head? That's camp. Jared Leto carrying his own head is avant garde. avant garde.

Billy Porter showed up with a horde of Egyptian men. Yes. Then unveiled that he was like a farrow outfit with wings. It's pretty good. That shot is gender norms. Gender norms. How are your styles putting on a blouse that someone in this office was wearing last week?

That's not. This is a Jordan Roth who I don't know who that is. He's wearing a winged like robe that opens up and I believe what you see in here is, it's a theater, I don't know, it's a famous theater, I assume, but I don't know what theater it is. It's pretty good. He owns a bunch of Broadway theaters.

Okay, Aquafina, this is not campaign. This is just a weird dress. Yeah, that's not campaign. Yeah, I would not say that's campaign. The closest thing to being camp without being camp, like the person who missed, but got the closest, was Natasha Leon, and she brought a clear,

cursed, packed with cigarettes. I think this rhyme, or if he outfits pretty campy, he looks like the clam in Tweedle D in Tweedle Dums at the point of, I don't know, I don't know. I didn't like that. That's like campy. It's a tough challenge.

Some people just dressed as share, share his camp, but dressing as share is not camp. Casey Musgrave's nailed it. What did she dress as? Barbie and I can't explain why, but it's perfect. She has a purse that is a hairdryer.

Like she carried a hairdryer as a purse, and she was in all plastic, pink. It was really good. Charlie Jenner did not get it. No. Can Kardashian didn't get it? Well, I didn't think Frank Ocean got it, and then I realized he was dressed as a security guard

for the Met Gala and was using his phone to take photo, or a instant camera to take photos of the paparazzi with that's can that's pretty good hold on oh shit and haley sign fell to our address that said no photos please and had a camera as a purse which is camp um yeah so Kanye West wore a this is an interesting one he wore a dickies jacket yeah uh i don't know i don't understand how that's camp or a, this is an interesting one. He wore a Dickie's jacket. Yeah. I don't know. I don't understand how that's camp. Camp was when Kanye shit himself at the Met Gala.

Remember that? Yes, no one wants to talk about that. He shit his pants. They went to get like, no, what happened is, he did a bunch of colonics and bioretics. They talked about like doing, they went to get like a lotics before the Met Gala. And then on his jeans had a strange stain on the back. Yeah.

That's what you did really get a lot of. I know what maybe it's not interesting to talk about what isn't what isn't camp because it's also like what it is to you. But I do think it's sort of interesting to try to imagine what they thought was camp about it. Anyway, that was the Mac Gala. Yeah. Whatever. You really, you should look at the pictures.

They're, they're somewhat interesting. It was a fun night. I wouldn't know. I forgot the world was ending for Gala. Yeah, whatever. You really, you should look at the pictures. They're somewhat interesting. It was a fun night. I wouldn't know. I forgot the world was ending for one night. Oh, really? I didn't really pay that much attention. That's when I liked Twitter. I think that's the divide between you and me.

When it's just a pitch session in a writer's room. You can remember, you joke. You can remember the Met Gala outfits. And I only, I really only remember the Kanye West was wearing a Dickey's jacket. I was like, oh, that Dickey's Jack will be sold out tomorrow. See, if it was an all-snickers show,

you would remember all of them. Not a big sneaker head. Speaking of sneakers, let's quickly, you wouldn't have to. We get to have this Howard Stern interview. I was talking about Howard Stern. Howard Stern interview in New York Times, as the New York Times is want to do.

It's interesting. I have been on the off listening to Howard Stern on the right now, I listen to Howard my whole life. Like some reasons of travel. For some reasons my serious broken I have lost my Howard channels and I don't know how to get them back. And Laura's like, no, you definitely have them

on the gig but they're not there anymore. It's kind of a nightmare, but it's also fine because I don't listen to that intently. But I have enjoyed, he's somewhat enjoyable to listen to sometimes particularly when he's doing his interviews. I think he's very, he's a great interviewer. Very good interviewer. He definitely asked questions other people don't listen to that intently. But I have enjoyed, he's somewhat enjoyable, let's just sometimes, particularly when he's doing his interviews, I think he's very, he's a great, very good interviewer. He definitely asked questions that other people don't ask.

We probably talked about this before. He does an interview in the New York Times, and they're kind of like, they call him out for stuff that I kind of forgot about, but I'm like, oh yeah, this is super fucked up. I mean, he's talked for nine hours a day every day as a provocateur since the early 80s. Yeah, he wrote, he wrote in in 1993

in his memoir Private Parts that they didn't beat Rodney King enough. Yeah. Not good. And in 1995, in his other in Miss America, he said, homosexuality seems to be a way for men in our society who avoid the responsibilities of being an adult male. And he asked me about this in the interview. And his response is like, I would have said anything to shock people. I was just trying to get a reaction, which I think is probably true.

But also this is stuff that like would be an instant cancellation today. You were comparing this stuff to the Milo stuff. Well, I think that I think it's Milo's Milo, Yannopoulos's argument, argument about his behavior is like, I'm into shock value and I'm just trying to shock people. And like it literally is like, you can, you could draw a parallel between the two pretty easily. Although he has not a fingernail of talent by comparison to Howard Stern, Howard Stern,

and it ridiculously thoughtful, intelligent, and talented person who has done some really dumb shit. My love is the shit stain from the past. Where's my love is like, all he is is like saying shitty stuff about trans people. And that's like his entire, like wearing purls. And it's like, oh, that's like the entire- I'm wearing purls and he's like,

oh, that's like the entire- That's like the entire difference. So maybe the argument, maybe I've made my own argument, which is like the entirety of his persona is just about that and therefore he- And Howard have more to offer. Therefore, like, what else is left once you cancel that?

I will also say, context and intention are bullshit excuses 99% of the time. And I do like Howard, so maybe this is bias on my part. But I do think the understanding of where comedy was at the time and what he was trying to do with it. And now that we have grown and learned that satire is actually really harmful

and it does more harm than it does good by creating a feeling of like we're all in on the joke against this thing. Some people actually perceive satire in earnest. So it becomes more damaging. We know that now. I don't think we knew it at the time. And at the time he thought he was saying things and whatever that was provocative and that would universally be agreed isn't true, but it's a funny thing to say because there are people who think it's true and there was a level of irony. I think now we know that that's not worth the

time and effort you put into that art form because it ends up being more harmful than it is good. I also think Howard has grown and changed himself and yes, he should formally apologize for specific things if they're brought up, but he wouldn't do that stuff today because we've all sort of grown and changed, and I think we can hold him accountable and we can ask him about specific instances and ask for specific like, I'm sorry, these are apologies for those things, but I don't think it of the difference of canceling is that in twenty seventeen to say trans people are all garbage disgusting verses in the nineties to be like you know it's funny about gay men as they never have to grow up they get to

just live with the boys like that's a very different well here's what he says in regards to apologies are you ever worried about the prospect of people digging up all defense of the theory of done it's not hard to imagine folks getting freshly upset here's how it's a response i'm the poster boy for doing everything offensive i've done insane things but everything i did i make no apologies for yeah that i was trying to squalch was trying to entertain people i wanted to be interested in entertaining to that guy driving the car but you know it's painful to look back on my career because a lot

of stuff i said i don't know how much i believed so you should apologize that is so much more disqualifying than shitty said. Then David Marcezi, who's doing the interview, says, I went back and read both of your books, Miss America and private parts, and he says, I hate both books. Yeah, and a book is a permanent thing that sits on a shelf.

Daily talk is a little more ephemeral, or there is a perception at the time. No, these are written, right. The stuff for them about, for example, about Rodney Kang, or homosexuality, makes it a little hard ephemeral or there is a perception at the time. No, these are written, right? The stuff in them about, for example, about Rodney Kang or homosexuality makes it a little hard to countenance the idea that you were just trying to be funny. And then Howard Stern says,

that's my worst nightmare. I would take material from my life. I was listening to someone talk about homosexuality as a choice and I thought, this is wild, this is controversial, this is something I can say to shock. I don't know that I ever believe that kind of thing. On the air, I was just trying to grab a quarter hours

of people's time to keep them listening. I mean, I grew up in a household where we were open about homosexuality. I am only a, I am only a proponent of gay rights, gay marriage. I am so live and let live about homosexuality. I try to preach tolerance to my audience, but if you read my books or listen to my old raps, I sound insane. But it's like, why not just say that was wrong. And I'm sorry. I said it. Like, I don't think he's scared that once he opens the floodgates, it'll be the Howard Stern apology tour. And there will be a lot of gotchas from interview ease. I mean, I get it, but like it's one of those weird things where it's like there was a guy who worked

for eater who was like, um, used to be like a, remember this thing? There's like a little controversy. He was like, oh, yeah, he used to be like a neo-naughty. And, uh, you know, he wrote things like, I'm sorry, I apologize, Randall. It's like, I do think like, we have to fire him. They fired him. I mean, I do, and, and, but I do think it's like, it's a weird thing where I'm like, I don't know, I don't know. And maybe I'm lucky in the way that I was raised or something, but like, I never would have thought it was right to say this kind of stuff that he said.

But even if someone, it was like, man to leave ill or whatever, I get, no matter what the circumstance, if you've come around and you're trying to make amends, we have to allow you to make amends. Nobody has to forgive you. So it was a weird thing when you're like, I used to be in your not to move on, I think. But I also think the differences with Howard is that,

like maybe the difference for me is that I don't think that Howard thought what he was doing was important or I think he thought what he was doing was silly, and now he knows it's important, and I wish he could just say that. And his fear of, if I start apologizing, then I'll spend my life apologizing, is like, well, you made a hundred million dollars

out of saying horrible shit. So if you have to spend a decade or so apologizing, maybe that's only fair. He literally makes $90 million a year. I guess the question I have is really, that's fucking it. Or $80 million a year. It's fucking question I have is really, that's fucking, like, or $80 million a year. It's fucking insane.

What would you do with that money? I would enjoy myself and I would, like, you know, hang out. I mean, I make a similar amount of podcasts. He really works like three days a week also. I mean, he only like comes, I think he only does the show three, three days a week. I want to say, but at any rate, it's like if you work on a sitcom, you work for one afternoon.

I guess it's interesting like, so he says Joe Rogan won't go on his show because he's Joe Rogan. He said I'm a destroyed. No, but he likes Joe Rogan. He wants to come on his show, which is very problematic. He like how does that shit? How does that shit? He talks about the second amendment and how he's like pro gun and he thinks people should have.

I would say I like real housewives who I would never allow any position of paralleling nobody should listen to. But I like them as dynamic actors. I think he's playing to a portion of his audience that have really retro great ideas. Yeah, you're right. And he knows it like, he knows it like there's people in middle America who are like, you're right, who are homophobic and like, you know, and like he doesn't go all the way, you know, and I think that's like my dad.

Well, that's why he doesn't, that's part of the reason he doesn't apologize. I think it's like he's like, if that's why he doesn't, that's part of the reason he doesn't apologize, I think. It's like he's like, if I apologize, then I invalidate things that a lot of hardcore fans are probably like, yeah, right on Howard, you know? Like he doesn't do a dog whistle, but he's not telling anyone to stop whistling. But that's the problem. I mean, like, so anyhow,

this interview kind of like gave me sort of mixed emotions. Pause. Give you pause about that. Give me pause, yeah, because I think you're telling me to pause. I was like, give me like mixed emotions about it, because I, I hear him say this stuff on the air sometimes and I'm like, oh yeah, like, he's like kind of got bad old guy opinions about stuff that are really not.

And he's very funny and his interviews are very interesting and often very insightful with people. He's of another time. Yeah, he's of another time, but that's not an excuse anymore. No, no, no, no, I mean like, he, to me, when I listen to Howard, I feel like I'm listening to the night. And in a way, I am. It's the same thing with Jenny McCarthy. Every time I see Jenny McCarthy, no matter what happens with her, if she shows up on a talk show, I think like, God, you are a relic of an MTV that died in like 2002. Yeah.

I think like, for instance, I think he's like way too even killed about Trump. Yeah. It's wild. Yeah. He was literally a member of his whack pack and now he's literally the most powerful. And he talks about it here. I mean, he sort of is like, like if Baba Buoy is Secretary of State, he would be fine. He is this weird, he is this weird like,

he actually expresses this weird sort of like sympathy for Trump. He's like, oh, he's like, he's so, he's got something, he's like something so, is so wrong with him that he's like closed himself off to like, listening to other people. All-timers and Adderall and being a fucking narcissist. It's like you get, you don't get,

like if you're like in your 70s, you don't get excuses like I have a motion. My daddy was me. Yeah, like your dad, he talks about that. He's like, I think his dad was really bad at him. He's like, guess what? Guess what? He's not a cast member on Vanderbilt.

He's the fucking president of the United States. He's a really good therapy and really good medication. he's the fucking president of the United States. He's also a Ford really good therapy and really good medication, so like there's ways to deal with that shit. And even if you're mentally ill, you are accountable for the things that you do, and he's not holding him accountable for it. He's such a cop at exactly anyhow.

So anyhow, this is enough about how we're talking. Enough about every time. And he has a pretty interesting interview, and I recommend reading it on the failing New York Times. Enough about everything. Enough about everything, we should wrap up. Nice thing. That's so much, so much. Nice things. Oh about everything. Enough about everything. We should wrap up. Nice thing.

That's so much. So much. Nice things. Oh, I have one nice thing. I just listen to not the entirety of it, but most of the new Vampire Weekend record. And I have to say, it's really good. It flaps.

It doesn't slap. It just like, I'll say this. I don't think there's a lot of modern like what you might classify as like rock music that's being made with like the kinds of production values that that record has. Just fucking throw a magic dragon's right under the bus. And they kind of, well no, I'm kidding.

No, no, no, but like if you listen like new fall out boy, the new fall out boy is like immaculately produced with like the most modern interesting production techniques. Rock goes but the pop so quickly. But the music is fucking garbage. And this is like really, I'm not sure. Weird shut up.

This is really just get out of my face. This is like really interesting, weird, unexpected, like I would classify this like rock music for the most part. Just producing a way that it just sounds totally modern and weird and interesting. And I just find it fascinating to listen to. And I'm surprised that they have a new record

and that it is as good as it is. And I'm not even like the world's biggest vampire weekend fan. Like I like them. It's just a really interesting different, like you just don't, it's not trying to be anything, they're not trying to be anything they aren't. They're like, it's very vampire weekend.

And it's like pretty fucking good. Like in a world filled post Malone's, it's interesting to hear like something else. That's my nice thing. In a world filled post Malone's, I'm happy we have Lil Nas X. Lil Nas X. Is that your nice thing is Lil Nas X? Yeah, my nice thing is Lil Nas X used to be a Nicki Minaj.

Everybody's like country, everybody's like, country's in. Everybody's like, now country's cool. Like ye, and I cannot emphasize this enough. Huh. No, it's like the everybody's like countries in everybody's like now country's cool like yee and I cannot emphasize this enough Huh, no, it's like the yeeha agenda like whatever. I don't like I like that black people and gaze are stealing Country back. I fuck you. I think I like I like the screams forever. I do like I do like is she gay? No, but she's huge She's like a sheet Lady Gaga level. She a person of color. I although Lady Gaga is by she's huge, she's like a lady Gaga level. She is a person of color. Although Lady Gaga is by. She's an extremely supportive and her music

has the same fan base as Carly Rae Jeppson. And it very much upsets the Nashville country. Well, I definitely think Lil Nas X is heterosexual. But he's great that black and he's setting it up. I'm glad that more people are getting into country, but I think country much of of country is like really, I don't know, Kisee Musgraves is closer to Dali Parton than she is to fucking all the shitty country we have to,

I'm not even gonna name it. Dali Parton, you mean the woman who owns a company that had like a nightly north and south battle. Yeah, but I mean, again, that was based on like a poem and then she ended it when she realized it was still playing an apologist. Listen, Dali Parton who spent no she's great Do you know the things Dali Parton has done? I was saying there's a lot of a lot of weird shit that happens in the south and with country music

It's not good for but it she can say she's a quality artist and a good person. I loved Dali Parton I don't love the uh Like clash of Clans or whatever it is that she would have her like her show. It was like the battle of Dixie or whatever It's a Dixie battle. It was fucking shitty, but also we can't anybody with an empire you could do a gacha I'm not here to defend Dally part and Dixie's stampede Dixie's stampede. I need defending Anyway, it's still it's still playing by the way. Is that your one nice thing? Well empire weekend is your one nice thing. Sorry, I don't normally even talk about,

I don't really even talk about music. Dally Parton by books for children across America. Okay fine, Dally Parton's great. I'm not saying she's bad. It's a wonderful person. I'm just saying there's a little everybody's got a little something under a rock. You're not allowed to watch 9 to 5 anymore.

I will not be watching 9 to 5. Okay, my nice things from this week are, number one, medical science and vaccines. Having gotten the tetanus shot two years ago, like a booster, I did not need to do anything else. I could take antibiotics, get my hands soaked up, get the glass out, and it's going to heal normally. And I, it is not until you're in that panicked state of mind that you will literally

trust all science doctors. You have your, like my limb was in a nurse practitioner's hand and it was like, you know, of course I, I philosophically support all these things, but I couldn't imagine being someone whose parents were anti-vaccine, so I like didn't get them and I didn't really Google it and like realizing that I could get tetanus and there was nothing I could do to stop it or rabies or something. Yeah, so I was like, imagine being that kid. And also, I have Medicaid and without Medicaid,

I would literally have no way to pay for this. I had to take an ambulance, which is how it works. What do they do? It should pay out a pocket if you get your hand sliced open. Yep, if you don't have coverage. And so statewide coverage, Medicare or Medicaid for all, it's saved me. I had to go back to the doctor that would have been hundreds of dollars

for to get my hand rewrapped. It was nice. My other nice thing is my fight stick joy pad and playing Sonic the Hedgehog. Quality games, Sonic Mania, still underrated. Why would they make any other games besides those 2D games? They're amazing. And tied into that is another nice thing, which is I'm rereading console wars by Blake J. Harris.

Wow, you have a lot of nice things. I don't, the content of the book is fascinating. Tom Klinzki seems like a genius who's cut short. And I feel like philosophically and like business wise, there's so much to learn from that era of cutthroat video game like politics and like the aberging booming industry and trying to make decisions on the fly that end up having industry-wide consequences

for decades to come is kind of a fascinating study. It's sort of like Apple and Windows days. It's really, it's a great book. I don't love that it's written like a movie script. Like there's a lot of dialogue that clearly you have no idea what they actually said. Right. And it's presented as fact.

And I know that there's style. That is a style. It is. And the first time I read it, I loved the style. The second time I read it, it's starting to irritate me because I'm hearing the authors' voice rather than who these people really are. But it's gonna make a great movie,

and the book is very good. And that's a very minor note on a highly researched, interesting book. And coupled with that is a Blood, Sweat, and Pixels, which I haven't finished completely, but it's vignettes and stories about how hard the basically the slave labor of game development and a computer animation is.

We did a story about this somewhat, well, about the outsourcing of this to these sort of sweatshops. Yeah, and there's a, there's a, there is a YouTube channel that did a video about, it's kind of outproposed that this is all mixing, which is the Paramount who is making the Sonic, the Hedgehog movie is now completely redoing Sonic

because everyone hates what he looks like. And that is going to cause a huge exploitation of already highly exploited workers on VFX who have some of the workshops, they're getting a big job for them, basically means that their companies will go bankrupt because of the way that the money is structured. Jack St. is a YouTuber who did a video called hashtag God of Fix Fast, bad. He's a lefty YouTuber that really goes into depth about why this is such a scary thing for the whole industry And it's so silly because they're just redesigning Sonic that jog

But it's at in fact a really serious issue and it couples with those books really well So that's where my mind has been at very video game heavy, but that's where I'm at And I honestly can't recommend all of those things enough. So bisonic and read books. Wow. Oh, yeah And I finished this book. I mentioned it by Sally Ruin, a called, Normal People. Yeah. I don't know anything about it. It's interesting. It's a quick read. It's a real-page turner. It's about two people who have a relationship over a series of years in Ireland, a man and a woman. Well, they start as teens and they become adults. It's interesting. I don't know, I have a lot of feelings about it. It ends in a,

both satisfying and deeply unsatisfying manner, which is like a thing with books lately. I also finished this book by David Mitchell called Number 9 Dream, which is the follow-up to what is his first book, It's called Ghost Written. And it's like all over the fucking place that has the most insane, it has the most insane and abrupt ending. I'm like, I literally yelled in my car. I heard her say, this is insane.

I was listening to it, I yelled in my car. I was like, what? So I have a lot of mixed feelings about books lately. But yeah, but I would recommend the Sally Raney book. I think it's a hot, it's everybody loves it. She's like, you know, a lot of Love beloved, you know New York New Yorker profiled young author But it's very good. I don't know why it's so funny to me picturing you finishing a book about like an Irish relationship of

Anxsten like was it worth the pain and the love and then putting it down with a whiskey and a silent room and staring into your backyard. Is that what happened? Basically, like, I finished it last night. I was listening to the audio book. It's a funny image. I was listening to the audio book and then Laura had the physical copy and so I like tore through like, I don't know, 50 pages last night to finish it. And then I was like, she had fallen asleep and it was me alone having like my thoughts. All right. Yeah. Any anyhow, I recommend it. Alright, bye. Goodbye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week.

More tomorrow and as always, I wish you and your family the very best, though I've just been told that Sally Rooney has written a novel about your family and it has an extremely unsatisfying ending.