Tomorrow - 165: Maybe Robots Can Save Us?

Episode Date: June 7, 2019

YouTube continues to eat itself alive as Robert Downey Jr. takes to the sea with an army of robots. Straight people are throwing themselves pride parades, presidential candidates are proposing legisla...tion they found while doing a Google search, and Sega is making a new Genesis. It's fair to say that Josh and Ryan are in over their heads. Please listen to Tomorrow episode 165 as they attempt to make sense of the news and shake their heads at Apple Inc. for 30 minutes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host, Josh Wittipulski. Stay in the podcast. We discuss plagiarism, straight pride, and Robert Downey Jr.'s robot army. I don't always want to minute. Let's get ready. Ryan, we're back. It's June, the first week of June, 2019. Happy Pride. Summer Pride is the live and kicking. So a great tweet that was like, straight pride. This Pride Month has been insane. And then it was like Liz Lemon
Starting point is 00:00:55 and then it was Jack from 30 Rocks saying, Lemon it's June 6th. Was it actually them? No, it's from that thing where she says, oh, what a week and he goes, lemon it's Tuesday. Oh, yeah, okay, yes. It's Pride is Pride month. It feels like we've been in June for so long already.
Starting point is 00:01:13 June is busting out. The first week of June has been fucking nuts. And really long and like, I'm like, oh, it's Thursday and it's just feels like it took forever to get to Thursday. I had really bad insomnia problems along part of my life, and then the last year and a half, maybe two years, I've been sleeping like a babe in arms.
Starting point is 00:01:32 Like I'm taking methadone at night and I just pass out. And the last since June started, the news cycle or something, I haven't slept more than like four hours a night, and I'm talking it up to Joe Biden, Straight Pride and Google Stadia. I'm sorry, when you say, when you say the words in Somnia, yeah, am I the only person who thinks of this immediately?
Starting point is 00:01:59 I think it's just you. Do you have a song? Do you have a song? You've definitely heard this song. Just do this song do you know song you've definitely heard this song? No, I don't just wait just wait This is the epic intro it's from the 90s. Oh, I can tell everything had an intro It's styled after like Apple commercials of the 80s all his all music videos in the 90s where I fucking heard this song I think of this every time I hear the word I hear you think of inside the act game. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:31 It's so good. It's the radio at it. Right here we go. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, no. Oh, no. This is the best beat. Okay, anyhow.
Starting point is 00:02:52 Great stuff. I mean, the first thing I think of song wise would be, I need a hero by Bonnie Tyler. When you hear the word in Somnia, yeah. Why? They didn't actually tosses and she turns. She needs a hero. Bonnie Tyler, total eclipse of the she turns. She needs a hero. Yeah. Bonnie Tyler, total eclipse of the heart now, that is a song.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Yeah. That is a song. The 80s storyteller power ballad. People don't talk about things in songs anymore. I know. Everything's just about, uh, About nothing. It's about nothing.
Starting point is 00:03:17 It's about how many rings you have. There's a great video by Todd and the shadows this week about Taylor Swift's quote unquote, comebacks, single me. It's a her review. And it also deep dives on the pop star trope of, which is a terrible song, by the way. It's just me awful. We've talked about this already.
Starting point is 00:03:31 I was able to say it on the podcast. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable. It sounds, he says in the video, it sounds like the kids' pop cover of itself, which is such a specific drag. But he talks about the pop star on Backbitch song. And like the things that
Starting point is 00:03:45 require. It's pretty bitch. It's Britney bitch. Spice up your life, bad by Michael Jackson. All those songs that like essentially his qualifications are like, they need to be about nothing but yourself and make no sense. And they you're back. They need to go number one immediately. Yeah. That song did not. They need no. It means to be a song by the most famous person in the world at that exact moment. And this Taylor Swift song attempted to be that and it's not that. Yeah. And it doesn't reference her personal. I mean, the song has to not reference her personal life. She doesn't have a track like that. And so he was like, she can't be one of the pop icons like Madonna or
Starting point is 00:04:20 whatever until she has an unbacked bitch moment. Yeah. And she hasn't had it. And I was like, this is blowing my mind. She can't. She can't have it because she's not a teen. She's never a teen. She's not like, come back to it from. I mean, you're, she's had everything that you could possibly go on. She grew up on a Christmas tree farm. Well, that's her narrative. I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of holes in her narrative. Okay. Like she, the whole thing about her guitar lesson, or she's from the south,
Starting point is 00:04:41 and she's from Pennsylvania. Yeah, she's from literally from like, Ligon, Ligon, Ligon's Burke. That's on a place, Ligon year, Ligon year, it's not Ligon year, it's like Cannonsburg. These are all places in Pennsylvania, in case you're wondering. Great gowns, beautiful gowns. A beautiful, beautiful part of the country, now reds today, it's so dead to me. Oh, I was just gonna say,
Starting point is 00:05:00 they've Brittany got a lot of mileage out of it's Brittany bitch. I mean, she used it in several songs, including when I limited to Screaming Shout. A lot. And her back time. They just threw it in there, they're like, why not? A lot of her back had all of its self-referential and it's really like, snakening its tail.
Starting point is 00:05:13 But Madonna does, that's very Madonna. Yeah. Madonna makes a lot of reference to her stuff. Like, my loneliness is killing me. My loneliness ain't killing me no more. Kind of like, those like flips. There's a narrative. There's a story, a rich tapestry of song that she's woven.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Could make a great Broadway show, and instead they're doing some horrible Theridale-based bullshit. I don't know, I don't know. Are they doing a Brittany Broadway? Yes. Oh wow. That's fine.
Starting point is 00:05:35 It's about three Theridale princesses, like Cinderella and a couple others, and then a Fairy Godmother drops a copy of the feminine mystique, and they do a feminist takeover of their perspective kingdoms. I can't tell what you're saying is true, or a complete lie. Wouldn't that make a great improv premise?
Starting point is 00:05:47 I mean, in fact, it is a multi-million dollar musical headlined by the biggest pop star of the last 20 years. That's crazy. Is she in it? She's working on the music. All right, should we talk about Apple for a minute? I guess. Do you want to?
Starting point is 00:06:00 I think the people who have a spot to it would rather talk about Apple for a different name. I think there's a good cross-section think the people have a pie too. We're having Apple. It's here my Apple. The people. There's a good cross section of people who like Apple and me. Yeah, sure. So Apple had WWWDC this week, which I gotta say, like, really has, it's so weird and wonderful how like the whole mood of what they do has shifted, you know. Apple is at a really strange crossroad
Starting point is 00:06:27 where they still perceive themselves to be the underdog and fighting the man when it comes to privacy and stuff and yet they're charging $1,000 for a monitor stand. I mean, hold on, let's back up. Let's make sure we are giving people all the information they need, which they definitely already have, but we should talk about it. So Apple did WWDC, they announced,
Starting point is 00:06:49 they're killing iTunes, essentially. They've introduced a new Mac Pro, they come out of the Mac Pro. They added a bunch of features to iOS 13, many of which are very unimpressive. They have added some things to the new iPad OS and they're basically making the iPad OS its own thing, like its own version of the OS,
Starting point is 00:07:18 which is like it took this long for you to figure out that like you should put widgets on that big ass dumb fucking home screen that has nothing on it. We're just to discover that like, it was a pretty cool idea to be like we're gonna put our smartphone on OS on a large tablet. Okay, it's been a very long time and it doesn't have any feature specific to it. Like that's the same. Maybe a few things but like multitasking.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Like what, like side by side multitasking. Yeah, that's fine. Everything I've seen, everything I've seen, I'm sorry, I don't want to be an, look, Apple does a lot of good, I mean everybody's like, oh you're an Apple hater. No. I don't hate Apple. I, that's fine. Everything I've seen everything I've seen. I'm sorry. I don't want to be an I look Apple does a lot of I mean everybody's like, oh, you're an apple hater like no, I don't hate Apple. I own everything they sell I don't know everything, but I use an Apple TV. I use a Mac. I have a iPhone that I use occasionally I wear an Apple watch I have AirPods. Yeah, you have a Mac meeting a Mac laptop and iPad like no, I have I have an iPad I got the fucking the keyboard thing in the in the pen and okay
Starting point is 00:08:05 I have game controllers before they did this new update I bought a specific game controller to play iOS games. I own thousands of dollars in iOS software. Yes, all right So I'm a band. We are clearly purchasing and purchasing and using lots of Apple products So I don't want to be like oh, I fucking hate everything Apple does, but what I will say is You get to a point where you're just like look other people are doing more interesting things Just way more interesting like just way more interesting. Like way, way more interesting and frankly better, right? Like, here's what I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:08:31 I do not, I know and I know there are people out there who love their iPad and they are just crushing it with their iPad. Whatever you do, I don't know, whatever you're doing in life, you must have a lot less to do and a lot less to deal with than I do. I'm not bragging, It's not a competition. But if I had to use an iPad as a daily computer, it would drive me completely insane. My iPad does four or five things so much better than my laptop.
Starting point is 00:08:57 I use my laptop for hundreds of times. Tell me about what, tell me those four things are. Drawing and design. Okay, drawing easily. Agree. Well, I mean, the surface does, I mean, I will say this, the latency is better on the iPad than in, I don't have the news.
Starting point is 00:09:11 And there's more app. I don't have the new surface, but the pencil works better. I have the Pro 4, I believe, and I think the latency is fine, but I definitely the iPad latency is way lower. They've got more apps at this point in the line. Okay, drawing.
Starting point is 00:09:22 I watch TV and movies around the apartment and it's a portable film machine. Okay. I playing games on it as opposed to, but it's not better than your Switch. It depends. Like a civilization style game or like any RTS, way better than playing on Switch.
Starting point is 00:09:40 Really? Way better. But a lot of the games are civilization. Free me under an iOS civilization. Yeah, full port. Really? better. Okay, but a lot of the games are civilization freemium or IOS civilization. Yeah, full port. Really? Yes. A lot of games can be crap freemium, but that there are specific titles that I love. Yeah. I prefer it for reading comic books to anything else. Okay. What about a comic book? Before a joke comic book. Yeah, if I'm traveling, yes. I like to own the physical comics. Yeah. But if I'm going, yes. I like to own the physical comics. Yeah. But if I'm going on a trip, I'll torn the comics that I really
Starting point is 00:10:07 like. But it's all things being the same. You're sitting somewhere and you want to read a comic book. You have the idea. You can read it on the iPad or you can read it in an actual comic book. It depends on the comic because they do the motion comic thing where you can swipe through and they kind of highlights certain things.
Starting point is 00:10:23 And you get extra features. All right. what else? And browsing the web while watching TV or live tweeting. Yeah. Visual browsing. Great on the actual browsing. Those things, it kills. I use my computer for work, video editing.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Basically, everything else I do all day long. And it's almost impossible to get anything done. Excel spreadsheets, typing, like word documents, I've typed up my mom's newsletters for her daycare business. You can't drag and move images in document, which is bizarre. Okay. So we think it excels in some things.
Starting point is 00:10:55 What about saving a file, a little bit of pain in the ass? Huge pain in the ass. But some of these improvements are an iterative quality of life thing. Like they're gonna do mouse support USB drives, things they should have had, a real file system, you know, better multitasking. All of that stuff sounds great, but I mean, someone in our office asked me if they could get an iPad as a personal computer if they have a work laptop, but they just need a device for personal. And it was hard to tell them to do it because they said, do you ever do your taxes? Don't do those on a work, and you can't really do your taxes on an iPad.
Starting point is 00:11:26 And that's something that comes up. And that comes up all year long, if you have enough businesses or whatever going, how often do you have to power through personal email versus work email? I mean, it's just, it's not a solution and Photoshop, they can do a full port of Photoshop to the iPad and maybe it'll get there at some point.
Starting point is 00:11:42 But if I'm photoshopping, like heavily photoshopping images for work, or if I'm doing a real video edit it, if I'm editing a podcast, you can't edit a podcast on the iPad. That's insane. Yeah. They have full ports of garage band and stuff, but you can't edit a podcast effectively. So the things that they're doing are good quality of life improvements, and I'm excited to see where it goes because they're the only player in the tablet space. But I don't know why it's taking so long.
Starting point is 00:12:07 And also, if it was in the promise of Apple that they own the apps, they own the hardware, they make the software, like it's all rolled in so they can move things forward really fast and do really big polish. But you look at Google's products, even a Chromebook versus an iPad is just more usable in a lot of ways. And the Pixel has more features than the iPhone. It's weird to me that Google is able to iteratively get there faster, even though they have to service
Starting point is 00:12:31 all these different platforms, and all these different hardware platforms, and all these different devices, all these weird form factors. Apple just has to service their core products and they're not iterating their product to a point where it's exciting or does something that no one else can do.
Starting point is 00:12:46 I'm excited about Bluetooth, earpod cheering? Sure, that's a problem that I have. I bought a specific device that I could sink to Bluetooth things for me and John and we travel. That's a fix, that's great. But I can't use my iPad when I'm traveling to, if you slack me and say, Ryan,
Starting point is 00:13:02 I need you to get this done and I'm taking a week off, but like it's a quick thing I need to get done, I have to bring my laptop with me. Right, that's no, I agree. I think it's insane. I mean, so anyhow, so getting back to dub dub date. Getting back to this. So yeah, so there's a new, there's a new,
Starting point is 00:13:20 you know, iPad OS, dark mode on iOS, and then they did a bunch of security stuff. And one of the things they've done is now they're basically doing Apple as a sign on for other services. They're trying to make privacy as services, Casey said on the outline, which I thought was a good. Yeah, which is fine, but I mean, like, it's fine. I mean, like, we can applaud Apple's efforts to,
Starting point is 00:13:43 you know, to like protect our privacy. I think these are good ideas. It's good. I would, like we can applaud Apple's efforts to you know to like protect our privacy. I think these are good ideas It's good. I would just say like Apple hasn't I mean, and I tweeted about this a little bit Apple hasn't actually had to deal with the kinds of privacy questions that a company like Google has partially because they don't really do What Google does? Mm-hmm. Like they don't actually provide internet services and in fact their internet services are quite bad They're quite they're quite terrible. I cloud documents or spreadsheets or any of that, their web internet, it's honestly hilarious that this is a major tech company.
Starting point is 00:14:10 It's insane. It's insane. I mean, they're like web, email, all of it. Like Google Drive versus that, it honestly looks like you're talking about like the Mac two versus today's modern life. It's hilarious. It doesn't seem like a million times,
Starting point is 00:14:21 but like Apple's perception of the internet is it's like a conduit to get from like their app to another app, like from services to services, not like a place where things happen. They also see creative projects as like you have a keyboard and a stylus and you're gonna put together your masterpiece and not the way that people use it, which is honestly, shitposts, memes, quick edits,
Starting point is 00:14:39 funny ideas, takes, like that's what people are as their daily driver are doing. Just try to download a YouTube video to edit into a meme on an iOS device. They're trying to make that better in the new Safari, but it's 2019. It's going to be almost be 2020 when Apple gets to the point where you can download a YouTube video to make a meme on it. Yeah, it's bizarre. I mean, it's just, it's just, so I think, look, so what all the stuff they announced, like I really am just waiting for the moment where Apple's like, oh, and by the way, we're gonna have a new,
Starting point is 00:15:10 we're gonna have a new mode where you're able to use, you know, some kind of approved, security approved, whatever, like you wanna change your email client if you wanna use a different browser as your main browser, like at this point, it's crazy to me, like I honestly will just say this. Like I, I think all the time, like, well, I'll just switch back to the iPhone
Starting point is 00:15:31 because there's the whole I message thing has just been like a complete hassle like to deal with with everybody in my life. But if you might think of it, I think, oh yeah, I remember the last time I was using the iPhone full time, it's like just struggling to like do the things that I normally do elsewhere here. It just doesn't feel worth like the effort.
Starting point is 00:15:49 And it's like, I don't tell Siri to pull up and play a podcast. I don't know why it's a feature they say that they have that does not work. Well, it's also just like, I don't use their mail app. I don't like the way it works. It doesn't, it's not efficient for me. It's not good for me.
Starting point is 00:16:02 I'm used to using Gmail. So like, let me, no, I can use Gmail on the phone. No problem, but it doesn't have the same functionality. It doesn't tie into my calendar, like in the way that it should, it doesn't refresh when it should. It's like, and I use Safari. I can't default, I can't default to it. I use Safari, which means that when I click on an address
Starting point is 00:16:21 and wanna open it in Google Maps, the map app that everyone uses, it takes me to Apple Maps and I have to do a shitty copy and paste into Google Maps. So Apple's idea of privacy to me, I like its goals. I think they're better than other companies and they're taking strong ethical stances, but what does that amount to when your platform has services I frankly don't use and that I don't like I can't break into and like using Apple to sign in everywhere really reminds me of the Apple credit card where it's like you thought I'm as if it was hard to leave.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Good luck. Yeah. That's like my my it's like I'm not saying that look I'm all form better privacy. I do think that we all have to acknowledge that there are certain things that we want to do on the internet that some of them are going to require you giving up some of your privacy. That's just going to be the reality for certain things. Because you cannot do the things that a lot of, like, you cannot do the things that Google
Starting point is 00:17:20 does in a lot of cases without having some fairly elaborate map of who you are or what you do and what you want. Now, that said, sharing that information, anonymizing that information, making sure that information is destroyed after a certain point, making sure that I have access to all that information to delete it, to see it, to track it, to stop things from tracking. That's all shit that we should do. I'm not like person, I'm not person I live in in fear, but I will say like, you know, of course, then it's like,
Starting point is 00:17:50 I'm not using things like Facebook for lots of really personal sort of like transactions, although they're still tracking the fuck out of me. But I think Apple's idea is right. I just like wish that there, I wish there was a better, I wish there was a better version of Apple's idea about the internet that could like a beat, the way this could all be applied to. Because it's like you're choosing these really kind of binary paths about like how you
Starting point is 00:18:15 use technology. And I just like don't think that their ideas are necessarily the best ones for how technology should ultimately be used. I will say this though, and fuck capitalism forever. But Apple gets a lot of traction for this rhetoric with the general public. And even honestly with tech reviewers that don't want to look too closely at the ways that these all their products interact with their policies compared to Google. But it does raise the bar for other companies.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Like if Apple comes out here and they make a huge ad campaign about privacy, it does push Google to. And I think Google has risen to the challenge. Yeah, I think Google has absolutely like, you know, started to change some of their policies and their thinking, which is good. Like everybody should be pushing everybody to do something better. Like for 100% other, you know, everybody should be pushing everybody to do something better. For 100%,
Starting point is 00:19:07 other, you know, other, these companies should be challenging the other companies to improve everything. And by the way, this has happened, like even in the small parts of the product, like notifications, a great example. Like Google has pushed Apple to like improve the way it does notifications. I think that's been like a really good thing.
Starting point is 00:19:20 I think, you know, and so then there's bigger things like getting Apple to push Google on having, you know, and so then there's bigger things like getting Apple to push Google on having, you know, being treating as customers privacy with more respect, which is great. I think everybody agrees Facebook is universally bad and sucky and everybody wants it to go away. I would say like the one thing I'm guessing that Apple and Google agree on is that Facebook sucks, which is nice. But you know, look, Google's, Google's the, Google the guys with the antitrust case, you know, um, Apple's got a little bit of a thing brewing with this app store stuff, but I
Starting point is 00:19:49 think there's a, there's a degree to which all of these companies should step back and evaluate like who they are and what they do and how it is either good or bad for consumers on like, in like a really material way. I don't think that much of that was addressed. I say on the security side or privacy side, I think it Apple addressed a bit of it. There's not much else they addressed for consumers that was really that meaningful at this WWDC. Now it's a developer's conference so that's understandable.
Starting point is 00:20:13 There was a little quality of life improvements. They released them, but I think this is a good, like then they like, you know, rolled out this Mac Pro. You know, and it's like a $6,000 computer. The monitor is $5,000. I wanna say the stand for the monitor, which is just a stand. Just a medal.
Starting point is 00:20:34 It's just a stand. It's a stand. To be clear, it's a stand. It's not, it's not, doesn't do anything. It holds the monitor. It holds the monitor. It, the monitor doesn't come with a stand, is that right? Nope.
Starting point is 00:20:44 Yeah. It's a $1,000. And I don't know like what Apple is trying to prove. I get what they're saying when they go to the $30,000 computer. Like when you when you top line spec it out and use you everything monitor stand everything you're on near 40 grand with taxes compared to other professional setups. It is competitive and it's a great computer and I get where they're going. But they cooked together this $6,000 option for quote unquote pro-sumers that is a complete rip off, not just from a specs perspective,
Starting point is 00:21:13 but from just gouging you on design that isn't good and the monitor stand kind of stuff. And to me, that just seems like a way to trick people who think they want to be professional video editors or their YouTubers or their whatever. And so they drop an extra 5K on a computer that they don't need. And to me, that just strikes like the main criticism
Starting point is 00:21:37 of them, which is that their prices have gotten so inflated and hilarious. It's really, it's something else. I mean, it's, we laughed at the $600 iPhone when it first came out. I know, but I don't think, I think at this point, it's like, I know a lot of people, a lot of creative people, video producers, podcast producers, designers, developers who have switched to PCs. I mean, PC works fine for all of them.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Like a lot. Yeah. Like, I mean, our designer, Jack, we're just talking about this. He has a PC, he's currently not using because he's like, well, I know all the, I know all the key commands on here and it's just like I'm faster with it, but like he's got this like really big, like really serious gaming rig that he could use for design
Starting point is 00:22:21 and he's only not using it because like, he doesn't want to go through the motions, having to relearnarn some key commands, which by the way, fair enough, we've all been there. But it is one of those things where it's like, yeah, the adjustment thing, it seems hard at first and then when you do it, you're like, oh wait, Photoshop is still Photoshop.
Starting point is 00:22:36 The minute I can pay half a quarter as much and have the same performance, which is insane. The minute I couldn't do a couple little mods or whatever that I really needed to get done, or there was a couple exclusive like formats or whatever on the PC that was just easier to handle, I moved over there to do creative work outside of just this podcast,
Starting point is 00:22:55 and the hotkeys and stuff took me like three days to learn, and I feel like a lot of people who are professional level, that's not such a barrier. For some people it is, but for most people that's not such a barrier of entry and Jack might get to a point where he's like, there's an app I have to use. So then he learns it and it's like,
Starting point is 00:23:08 why would I switch back? And Apple right now isn't offering any exclusive apps or software that really blow your mind. Adobe is everywhere. I will say this though, I will say my frustration with like using a PC all the time is actually, they're much smaller, like, they're much smaller complaints than like, you know, learning macros. They're like little, like, they're much smaller complaints than like,
Starting point is 00:23:27 you know, learning macros. They're like little things like, like Apple, I mean, Apple got some, you know, this is actually, when I see them kind of like, not putting as much, so it's good that they made the Mac Pro because they haven't been putting much focus on like desktop or laptop computing in my opinion, like, and they've also fucked in some things up pretty seriously, but like, type on an Apple keyboard.
Starting point is 00:23:45 But some of the things they have, but some of the things they have done that are just brilliant, are like, you know, the interoperability of things like images, like the ability to drag an image from one place to another without having to think, like, can I put this, can I take this from a web browser and put it over here? Right, like, the ability to like, you know, that where you can like preview files. File organization has been asking. Just the whole file, it's funny that like they've been so reluctant
Starting point is 00:24:06 to like introduce a file system and in the iPad OS or in the iPhone OS, I mean, they have it now, but like, because they're one of the Mac is amazing. They're so good at it. It's been such a breath of fresh air. I mean, just like. I'm breaking up iTunes.
Starting point is 00:24:17 Great move. Yeah, just, oh, and I think that's great. I do think that iTunes time had come and I, of course, I'm cautiously optimistic that they're gonna not blow up everybody's library with this with the new thing They're doing with just taking podcasts away from Apple music to me. It's such a like amazing. I'm so happy It's so crazy, but it's also crazy that like The App Store here's the crazy thing that I've considered a lot which is like there is no online
Starting point is 00:24:46 App Store for your phone like can't, and I don't, I can't buy an app. You can't go into a place where you're like, there's the app store for your phone and you purchase the app and it shows up on your phone, right? Not on Apple. Okay, so like on Android, this is very normal that like I'm like looking at apps in my browser
Starting point is 00:25:01 and then I'm like, oh yeah, and you hit install and it installs it on my phone, which is awesome. It's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. My iPhone rather than open iTunes,
Starting point is 00:25:10 like if there's a blog post that's like best free apps or whatever, or like this app is free this week and it's incredible, you gotta get it within 24 hours. I will bookmark the page, find my phone, open my phone, wait for the bookmarks to sync, open the bookmarks, tap that, tap that, go into the store, purchase, move the app where it needs to go, put my phone away, take my computer back out, delete the bookmark, all to download an app, it's amazing. We're going to be in 2020. That is so wild. On Google, it's one click.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Yeah, it's, and you can select the device, or all your devices. It's like, that's insane, but also that it was, that the, you also can return it. But also like the, but it's so crazy that like, phone management was like inside of iTunes. It made sense when we had iPods, but again, that was decades ago. I mean, honestly though, like sort of things like putting a file on your iPhone from your Mac over a wire.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Yeah. You had to still take place through iTunes, and then you had to plug it in. Wait for the iPhone icon to come up, click the icon. You would go into the phone menu. You'd have to scroll to File Explorer, then wait for it to load. Scroll down to specific app.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Then do add. It's insane. No, it's insane. This is like, when you want to put, you want to install up till now. I think maybe they fixed it in this latest version of the iPad OS, but like, if you want to run keynote with custom fonts,
Starting point is 00:26:23 like the way you install the fonts is the most insane, backwards, hacky. And they're the creators. You literally have to use a third party app to hack installing fonts. You have to approve certificates and stuff for them. It's completely insane and hacky.
Starting point is 00:26:39 It's like, how did you not go like, oh yeah, we have full featured keynote on the iPad, and you can use the fonts that you're,, we have custom fonts that we use in our company. It's like, uh, but then again, when I take out an Android device and I want to put something on my Android phone, I miss AirDrop very much. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. I mean, that's, that's true. But also there are things that like Google drive is great. Google drive is great, but you can also do things.
Starting point is 00:27:04 There's like a thing called AirDroid, which is like you can literally access your file system from like a website by like using a QR code. Yeah, but that's the hacky thing you just... It's hacky, but it's way cleaner than like most, anyhow. Yeah. The point is, there's a bunch of weird shit that like Apple just like fails to get,
Starting point is 00:27:20 that they still don't get, and they're like, and they get some stuff so well. Yeah, but they're like dark mode. And it's like, yeah, could I, could you like show me the weather on my lock screen? So I don't have to like wonder what the temperature is. Which has changed the icon to match the weather. Yeah, how about that?
Starting point is 00:27:33 How about we update, you're doing not, you're doing widgets now, how about, but literally they're like, we too, the calendar app updates, the icon. No, believe me, in the clock ticks. But why doesn't the weather show? I'm telling you this. I'm telling you this For a fucking decade.
Starting point is 00:27:45 But the more we talk about, the more frustrating it is. How insane is it? How insane is it Apple has demonstrated that they can have live updating icons on the screen of the iPhone and have they've never thought, let's make the weather thing live update based on your location. We'll check in every half an hour.
Starting point is 00:28:01 They're already pulling it for your watch. They're already live pulling that information. I'm gonna kill somebody. I'm gonna kill the person who's responsible for not having a life. I've been talking about this for a decade, a solid 10 years of this. One of the first city jailbroken tweaks was to do that. I'm looking to see if in iOS 13, they're making... If they're making a...
Starting point is 00:28:24 I guarantee they're not. Fuck you, Apple. All right, here's some of these wish list. Anyhow, the point is it's like you got dark mode, but I still don't know what the fucking temperature is if I look at my weather icon. So are you really helping me out as a consumer? I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:28:38 You wanna talk about Google some more? God, do I? Go ahead. YouTube is a great service that everybody loves and is full of cool people who are great. Is being heavily discussed because this week, the situation between Stephen Crowder, a far right insane conservative, like,
Starting point is 00:29:00 shit post troll who hosts like a fake talk show where he just shits on people's ideas with fake pseudo science and stuff Had done a still my idea interesting. He did a targeted hate campaign over the course of years Against Carlos Mazza who is a reporter at Vox I believe his I believe his Twitter handles gay Wong Yes, that correct and he's putting it all out there He calls him slurs regularly. He sells t-shirts that say socialism is for fags. And then his fans have been selling t-shirts to raise money for him that says that Carlos Mazza is a fag. That feels like hate speech to me. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:29:37 I'm not I'm a hate speech expert. He he's been doxed by his fans and then he Crowder told them to tell him to debate him. And so his phone blew up with thousands of text messages saying debate Stephen Crowder, which is an all right tactic to try to couch their attempts at hate and harassment as intellectual philosophical debates. And other left-wing, like, internet personalities, like Natalie Winnett, of ContraPoints have offered openly to do a debate and Stephen Crowder doesn't do it because he's purposely trying to target this one person who is Mexican and queer.
Starting point is 00:30:10 I can't believe we live in a world where I have to know who Stephen Crowder is. Well, the most important thing. The internet said, hey, stop this. And I canceled YouTube Premium. I became Karen who calls for the manager and I told the customer service very politely, like I hope you personally have a nice day, but can you please tell your support team
Starting point is 00:30:27 that I think this is unacceptable? Stuff like that. Crowder came back with a freedom of speech, blah, blah, blah. Freedom of speech includes the right to call people facts and inside violence. Yeah, I know it doesn't, but fine. No, I mean, it can. That's fine. You too clarify it.
Starting point is 00:30:38 You can say that here's the thing about freedom of speech. It's the law of the country. It's not, but there are limits. But YouTube runs a for profit business. But there are also limits in the country. If you have thousands of people showing up in my door calling me a bag at, I can sue you. Okay, but I think we can agree.
Starting point is 00:30:54 But let's just say on the basis of, should people be able to say what they want totally? Sure, even if it's mean and hateful. Sure, why not? And even if someone runs a platform, even if someone runs a private business, like Walmart, and you go in and you start yelling Fag, they're going to tell you the leaf. That's fine. That people turn around and they say, but this is a platform of that speech, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:31:11 But if I own a bookstore and you come in and start calling people Fag, or want to sell a book about how someone is an asshole and you hate them and you and they want them to die, and the bookstore doesn't want to sell my book, that's on the book. The bookstore's done. I mean, this is, I've, look, I, this is, we talk about this all the time. Yes. And I think, so it's like really important that we all step because these fucking tech companies
Starting point is 00:31:31 have this way of trying to convince us that they are, it's important that we let them kind of do whatever they want because it's in the, it's in support of things like free speech. I mean, this just happened with this Nancy Pelosi video on Facebook, which I did a big like tweet story about, which is like, their argument was, you know, this just happened with this Nancy Pelosi video on Facebook, which I did a big like tweet story about, which is like their argument was, you know, this is, it could be considered satire, it could be considered this, like we can't police, you know, everything here, and you know, every little thing here and there and all this shit. And it's like, they're like, look, you know, we're this platform for speech and we, you know, we have to let people.
Starting point is 00:32:01 And YouTube says it's fine as long as you're debating. Right. I mean, all of this stuff is just basically like, like I could say Josh, be really yourself because of your ideas about the economy. Wow. And that is not inciting violence. Give me a lot of food for thought, actually. But like the thing is, you, I'm sure Steven Crowder,
Starting point is 00:32:18 how many subscribers does he have? He's got to have like a million. I don't know, but he gets a lot of engagement on his fucking videos. I bet a lot of people watch them. I bet people spend a long time watching his videos. Even if he doesn't monetize his videos, YouTube plays ads before his videos.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Yeah, but I mean, they've been monetizing them to be clear up until like this week. But so then YouTube came out and said they're not going to monetize his videos and they're updating their harassment policies to purge white supremacist conspiracy theory content, but that his didn't qualify. Obviously, that's because he's got such a large platform.
Starting point is 00:32:46 They don't want blowback from the right wing or the government or something. But... Well, the question always becomes, the question is always like, it's easy to make rules, but it's really hard to enforce them. The question is always like,
Starting point is 00:33:00 you know, the thing that is now happening is that you have like the president of the United States of America Who's like Twitter is is is not allowing free speech and it's like Twitter is a private company It has shareholders, but it is I guess they're publicly they're a publicly held company But I mean like they have shareholders and they have people who run it and there are for profit business and for profit business Like it's not like Walmart like basically like Walmart could and maybe they do, stock all of Alex Jones is like,
Starting point is 00:33:29 maybe he wants to make some CDs of his conspiracy theories, and he could argue that Walmart had stocked them because it's free speech, and Walmart is a platform where he should be able to have his free speech. But Walmart's like, yeah, we're not gonna stock that because it's not the best interest of our customers, and we don't feel able to line with our corporate identity to sell that kind of stuff in our stores.
Starting point is 00:33:45 There are four profit business they can do that. That's actually free speech is saying, I don't want this in my store, I don't want this on my platform. That's another form of free speech. So the Google can exercise, it's right to free speech by going like, here's what we like and allow in the YouTube universe.
Starting point is 00:34:01 If we feel, for whatever reason we feel, because we're fucking YouTube, we don't work for, we're not a part of the government, we're not owned by the Pentagon, we're not like run by fucking the Department of the Interior. They're not PBS even. They're more not PBS, we're not publicly funded. If we decide that we don't like this person, this content, this whatever, not, I mean, sure you'll get run into plays where you can get like a lot sued, but within reason, you can go, this is not in the best interest
Starting point is 00:34:26 of our business. They did it with Alex Jones. That's right, it's not in the best interest of our share holders. We don't feel it is contributing to the discourse that we think is the type of discourse that YouTube wants to put out into the world. We consider ourselves a platform for creators
Starting point is 00:34:38 and entertainers and debate where within the realm, good faith debates. Yeah, within the realm of what we decide is acceptable in the youtube terms of fucking service and if you don't like our decision then you can go run your shit on daily motion or on vimeo or on on on on twitch or porn hub or there are other video services they're not a monopoly on youtube draws the line at nipples even if they had fucking monopoly, it doesn't mean they should just show whatever. They can say we don't want beheadings on this service. But then you break up.
Starting point is 00:35:10 We don't want that. That's the argument. No, but I'm saying, but even if you break it, even if you break it, it doesn't mean you could break up YouTube. It's not going to become like a government controlled service. So all of these, all of this shit about Twitter and YouTube and Facebook hiding behind this fucking free speech blanket, I'm not saying that I like censorship.
Starting point is 00:35:30 I'm saying that if I run a fucking business, like let me put it to you this way, on theoutline.com, somebody could submit a proposal for a piece about how Nazis are super cool, and we should like Nazis, and actually hit there had some good ideas. Could you imagine if I took to Twitter and was like, Jeremy Gordon won't publish my shit post about Plato.
Starting point is 00:35:47 It's totally within your right to submit some bullshit article to us, and it is totally within our right to be like, yeah, we're not gonna publish that. It's also within our right to publish something and then look at it after reading through it a couple of times go, you know what, actually, we don't really like this piece, we're gonna pull it down.
Starting point is 00:36:02 If we want, because we have a privately on business that we can fucking do what we want with. So I think this idea that these big corporations, these tech companies are hiding behind this, like the sod of being the arbiters and champions and gatekeepers of free speech is a extremely dangerous and bad idea when what we should do is level set, which is to say that in America, we have freedom of speech. You are able to speak your mind about lots of topics, any topic you want,
Starting point is 00:36:29 pretty much anywhere unless it verges into inciting violence or if it's actually like a hate crime or you know, there's lots of ways that free speech reaches a limit where it becomes like harmful to other people. But YouTube is not America. YouTube is an interfirst of an international fucking service. It's not America. Just Facebook is not America. Twitter's not America. They are for profit,
Starting point is 00:36:56 like they are companies, capitalistic for profit companies whose job it is to create value for their shareholders and presumably for their users create joy or whatever. And so like, you can make all the arguments you want, but like they have the ultimate say about what's on their fucking plate, just like CBS can say, we will and won't run these shows.
Starting point is 00:37:14 But even if you're at home listening to this and you disagree with what we're saying because you think for XYZ reason, I would like to point you to the hypocrisy that is YouTube is running a pride month campaign very heavily about how they support queer creators and they don't stand for bullying and they take out these huge hypocritical ethical stand stand points that they use for marketing that they don't follow up with on the back end. YouTube is notorious for recently they had had a philia scandals that their algorithms are promoting pedophilia. They had an entire scandal that took months to resolve where they would demonetize any
Starting point is 00:37:53 information, any discussion, any content relating to LGBTQI people because it was qualified as porn within their algorithms. And they did not know how to decouple the two. The discussion about the mechanics of Gasex or gay marriage or queer youth coming out about first time experience. Very normal stuff. They were demonetizing all of this educational content,
Starting point is 00:38:14 made in good faith that didn't have harmful effects in the real world and you could just click away from it that wasn't your cup of tea. And yet they're run, they walk in Pride Month campaigns and their entire Twitter profile is rainbow themed at the moment and it it's frustrating and the optics of it are so bad and the idea that they don't have uh... a team in place
Starting point is 00:38:33 that can identify this stuff but they do have a team in place to stop you from sharing clips of super mario sixty four yeah is wild yeah i mean i mean i mean listen to it i can't post a video of me singing a cover of a song without knowing it's gonna get demonetized, but you can post like Nazi imagery on a like million subscriber channel. Yeah, and I think that there's, you hear from a lot of people, they're like, they're silencing conservative voices,
Starting point is 00:38:56 they're, you know, they have bias against, you know, this kind of speech or whatever. It's like, look, if, if, look, if Google has a set of ideals that it promotes publicly and that it speaks to, let's say, support of the LGBTQ community, then it can't also be like when that community is attacked and when our platform is used to hurt those people, like we have to support that as well because that's freedom of speech. Like you can be like, there's a thing that we stand for and a thing that we don't.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Like if YouTube, if you- And on the flip side, if someone was calling Barry Weiss a bunch of slurs, Annie Semitic slurs, and calling her the drug dreams for women, it would cut the same way, but people on the left don't tend to do that. That way, but people on the left don't tend to do that. That's right, people on the left don't tend to make it their job to have channels that are,
Starting point is 00:39:54 like channels on YouTube that are obsessed with harassment. A harassment based on like identity, not to say people on the left don't talk about identity politics, but it's like one thing to say, I'm this thing and I feel this way and this is why. So another thing to say, I'm, I identify this type of person or this person over here and I hate them and let me tell you why I hate them
Starting point is 00:40:16 and why I hate their group. These are very different things, right? They're like, one is, here's me talking. One is like, here's me like putting a bunch of fucking vile hate towards like a group of people, right, a marginalized undoubtedly. In this case, a marginalized group of people in this country, certainly around the world.
Starting point is 00:40:33 So anyhow, the point is, so I've been, we have been the fucking talking about this forever. By the way, speaking of things, I've been talking about 10 years, like about for 10 years. We used to have the same debate about comments on end gadget. I'm sure I've talked about it in this podcast before. And when we would like ban people who were fucking racist or shitty in the comments on Engage, they would say shit like you're trying to silence freedom of speech or your sense,
Starting point is 00:40:55 this is censorship, this is bubble. And it's like, yeah, sure, if you're talking about, if I run America and I'm making rules about what people can say out when they're walking down the street, but that's not what's happening or what you can write in a book. I'm saying I have a privately owned platform and I get to say what the fuck goes on it and I've decided that I don't want Nazis on the fucking platform.
Starting point is 00:41:12 And if you don't like that, you can make your own platform for Nazis and see how that goes. And to me, that's the correct response from YouTube is Stephen Crowder who calls people fags is not the best of what we want in the YouTube community. We don't have to tolerate all this stuff. If he wants to run that kind of show,
Starting point is 00:41:30 there's lots of places that I'm sure would love to run his show and he can go and see how that goes. I find some Amazon web, whatever. And if Amazon's fine with you running there or buy some servers. There's no debate to have a video channel. There's no debate to have here about, whether or not it's nice to call somebody a fag, okay?
Starting point is 00:41:45 The debate debate's over. What we know is like you don't call somebody, you don't call somebody the unword, you don't call them a fag. There's words that we've all agreed basically in polite society because it incites violence not against even just against one specific person, which it does, it incites violence against
Starting point is 00:42:00 an entire group and scares. Right, it's terrorism. But here's the thing, well, I don't know the use of the words as terrorism, but I think that we can agree that it is. If you create an environment of fear, well, I agree. And certainly if you're mob, if you're sending mobs after people and using that kind of
Starting point is 00:42:15 derogatory hateful language to rally a mob to hurt somebody, I think it's really fucking dangerous. But I think the larger point is like, you know, YouTube and Google has a decision to make, which is like, we want the kind, that kind of content, and we want to support it and promote it on our platform, and give that kind of content of space. Like, if Nazis want to have a show, bring them to YouTube, and they can espouse like white supremacy, and anti-Semitism, and racism, because that's a thing that YouTube wants to participate in and be a part of their service.
Starting point is 00:42:48 Or they can say like the rest of sane, progressive, thoughtful society, which is the, I believe the vast majority of people, certainly the vast majority of people here in this country, have decided to reject that, the ideology, the language, the ideas, so they can be that part of the group that rejects the shit,
Starting point is 00:43:08 or they can be part of the group that embraces it, but you can't be both things. You can't run a Pride Month campaign, and you can't have the platform. Right, you can't have the platform that welcomes everybody, but also welcomes the people who want some of the everybody to fucking die.
Starting point is 00:43:22 Like, you just, that doesn't work. Exactly. There's a limit to this debate. And the limit is like, the people who are, who, like the Nazis of the world don't think that a lot of the other people that you want as part of your platform should like even be alive. So I think that they've lost their ability to be considered in the same way as like somebody
Starting point is 00:43:43 who just wants to talk about their identity. Anyhow, so long as short of it is, I think they've been extremely short-sighted in stupid about this, but I think all tech companies are living in some kind of weird world of fear. And by the way, I do think this is driven somewhat by the Trump Organization and administration, where they are basically starting to use political power to force these companies or to try to like strong arm these companies into allowing more speech like this because the threat is that they will start antitrust proceedings or investigations or Trump will go on Twitter and start talking about it and damage these companies' bottom lines for some reason that it's not actually based in
Starting point is 00:44:21 reality, but really driven by life. It's irrational. Yeah, it's driven by, it's driven by the ideas of a very small percentage of the overall population. But a very loud, violent percentage. One that happens to be in power in this country right now, a very extremely dangerous group of people. Well, before we move away, very upbeat. Before we move away from Google,
Starting point is 00:44:41 do you see the updates to the Stadia stuff? Yeah, I was just looking at it for, just glance at it right now. This is cool. I don't know what to say. I don't know. I don't know if the games are new. The prices seem a little odd to me.
Starting point is 00:44:53 They're going to have a monthly subscription. And you can purchase games, which I don't love. I think they should pick a direction. And the idea, you need 10 megs up and down in order for these games to function at the base level, which is fine. I get it. They're trying to stream stuff that's going to be hard.
Starting point is 00:45:10 That's not accessible to everybody, but you got to start somewhere. But to me, it's like, if you hired an enormous amount of talent on the executive end for this new gaming platform, and you're one of the biggest tech companies in the world, and you're doing a huge hardware infrastructure Set up for this like they are Matt. They are building things around the world servers around the world They don't even have an original game to launch right yeah, which to me tells me that Google doesn't totally understand the gaming space I'm so excited to see where it goes I think that I'm excited for another 90 style console war with this a thousand weird products and we're all trying to make Arsonic the head jog that I love that era I obsess over that history I think
Starting point is 00:45:46 competition is great and we were getting kind of stale with video games but to me I think I would wish that Google would understand game and Apple is went directly to developers for their new art Apple arcade service they went directly to developers and said we need games that you can't get out anywhere else they even enables so that you could use different Xbox or PlayStation controllers on their iOS devices, including the Apple TV. They went directly to developers and said, develop original content. You can't get anywhere else.
Starting point is 00:46:12 We'll help you fund it. We'll help you make it. And we'll help work around our development platform around new original content. Google is taking some existing PS4 games and throwing them on Stadia, which is impressive, certainly from a technical perspective, but the entire business model of gaming for decades has rested on the fact that content is king. Whereas Nintendo used to say the name of the game is the game.
Starting point is 00:46:36 And if you don't have a good game. They do have some exclusives. What exclusives? I think they have one. They have exclusives, they have a couple, they don't sound necessarily good. There's one called a game called Get Packed. I have exclusive. I have exclusive. They have exclusives. They have a couple, like, they don't sound necessary. That good. There's one called a game called Get Packed.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Okay. And there's a game called guilt or guilt. And then they, so there's, apparently they're, they're, they have a studio and they're going to be more exclusive games. Like, like, the kind of coup, here's the kind of coup that, that Google needs. This is what I would do if I were Google.
Starting point is 00:47:04 Just buy some developers. Here's what I would do if I were Google. Just buy some developers. Here's what I would do if I were Google. And I hope they do this, because they'd be fucking insane. They should buy CD Projekt Red and release Cyberpunk 2077 as a Stadia exclusive that you could only get on Stadia. And they will sell millions of these fucking things.
Starting point is 00:47:21 People will be mad, but they'll sell millions of them. Now, CD Projekt Red would have to essentially sell its business to Google, but by the way, Google could afford to buy a business like that for a premium. And gaming is not a cheap industry to get established. Sony did not make money on gaming at first, but the long-term investment has saved their company.
Starting point is 00:47:38 I really like the general, here, look, there's no question that over. I'm just getting 3DO vibes from the state. No, it definitely has like a, I mean, here really like the general. I hear it look, there's no question that over. I'm just getting 3DO vibes from the state. No, it definitely has like a, I mean, here's the thing. There's no question that over time bandwidth goes up, right? That we all have faster internet in our houses and it work and wherever else. And Chromecast, five controllers get cheaper
Starting point is 00:47:57 to just throw down everybody. Five D becomes widespread. And your all your mobile devices are on super fast connections. Like over time, the next 10 years, that's all like definitely happening, right? So the idea that like there's this like cloud gaming service where I don't have to like load up a game and I've got like the power of like a network of computers
Starting point is 00:48:15 to like run these things is a really awesome. You don't have to drop $600 in the PS5 then wait an hour for the 200 gigabyte, an hour, a day for the 200 gigabyte download. Yeah, it's very much like music. I mean, I think it's like, it's like it was, you know, we used to buy record players in these fucking huge, like audio systems
Starting point is 00:48:35 and you have to buy all the records. You have to buy head clips. You know, you have to wait for it, right, exactly. But, you know, now it's like, we just open Spotify and you stream whatever the fuck you want. You open Apple music, you stream whatever you want.
Starting point is 00:48:44 And I think that like, that has been good and bad. And in some ways, I obviously the gaming industry is very different, but I do think that kind of the road that is paved here is like there's clearly an opportunity for some kind of like really a bold streaming console that works well. Like a steam you don't need to own a gaming PC. But listen, killer app, the word is killer app.
Starting point is 00:49:02 Yeah. You have to have the Killer app that makes the people who are really gonna get into this salivate. You have to have a breath of the wild. You have to have your halo. I mean, like the bold crazy-ass move here is like Google buys an Nintendo, right? Or they buy Google buys just by Sega.
Starting point is 00:49:18 Yeah, but Sega's like, just by Ubisoft. Just by EA. Yeah, yeah, something like that. I mean, they buy a major publisher of games. But if Google is like, you can only get your, Yakuza here. Yeah, that's at least a star. That's a star, but I think the real play
Starting point is 00:49:33 is something like, if I were, let's put this way, and by the way, if Google wants me to run this part of the company, I'm in. I'm open to it, and I'm willing to consider an offer. I'll do it. But the move here is you go get, you get like five mid-level killer game publishers or developers that are consistently putting out great games that
Starting point is 00:49:53 people love. And you go launch a tight launch program for indie developers that are developing games that are weird and you need to devise the fuck out of them. You give people who like you give like the people who do shit like gone home, you give them like, get the next start-to-value. Loads of money, yes. And then, but then you also buy a couple of triple A, like you buy a couple of triple A companies. And you say, we're gonna do,
Starting point is 00:50:17 we're going all in on this. We think this is a huge opportunity. We think this is a huge new market and we can do things with this network service that no one else can do. And we're going, we're doubling down on it. And where we've got, we've got our naughty dog. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:28 And you have an exclusive like, if Cyberpunk 2077 was an exclusive to this, now I'd be mad. But I would fucking get, I'd go all in on Stadia. I'd upgrade my fucking Fios from 400 up and down to a gigabit up and down, which by the way is probably more than anybody needs, but not it's not more than anybody needs. But you know, I'm just saying, like, I think there's like a really good argument. I'm sorry, I'm like fantasizing about what's the idea. Could be not what it actually is. What it actually is is like, they're doing an experiment as Google loves to do with some
Starting point is 00:50:55 ideas, some basic ideas about like streaming games, like how you do streaming games. And like, they haven't made a compelling argument yet that it's not a must have. There's no must have here. I mean, there's there's okay. They're going to announce the full list of games at E3. They have a studio. Oh no, when was this announced? In May, this was announced that they have a studio, Steadya Games Entertainment, that they're
Starting point is 00:51:23 going to be creating first party exclusive games. And they definitely screwed up a lot in town. Jade Raymond is leading it, which is huge. I mean, that's a pretty big name for the industry, but you really need the killer titles. You just do. I mean, you need death stranding. You need, you know, Hideo Gima to go.
Starting point is 00:51:42 They even just need a dead cells, which is like, you gotta try this. It's $4, you know, youideo Gima to go. They even just need a dead sales, which is like, you gotta try this. It's $4, you know, you have a, you just try it out. Those are the kinds of developers that I'm saying you snap up. You find like, 20 of those. But like, people just put $3 in and find 20 of those developers. You know, you could say to them, we're gonna give you way more money
Starting point is 00:51:58 than you could make selling these games on the Switch and PS4, which I don't honestly know how they do that. I mean, at some point it becomes like a economically unsound concept. But that is what gaming is when you first get into it. You have to become one of the big players. Can I spend money to make money? But like honestly, what's the huge upside here?
Starting point is 00:52:15 How many people can they get to spend $10 a month? I mean, I think their thinking is, but their thinking is that they'll be the YouTube of gaming. But my thinking is, is they couldn't get YouTube premium to work. So how do I know that they're going to get this to work? Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, Google does not have a great history at doing things like this. Like they're not, you're not like, I'm not like,
Starting point is 00:52:34 I don't use like Google play music. I don't get any, my entertainment on any Google services. They've done a pretty bad job with like content. They've been pretty bad at content. They've been pretty good at software. They've been pretty good at software. They've gotten way fucking better at hardware. I think they do some really good shit with hardware. Not all of it's good.
Starting point is 00:52:51 Like they fucking copied the notch, that was lame. Been anyhow, but like, still, I mean, the Pixel is an amazing phone. Yeah, they're controlling it looks fine. I miss it every day and I need to get my screen fixed, I think. I guess I can just wait so I can get a new Pixel. That's what I'm gonna have to do. Well, speaking of games,
Starting point is 00:53:05 the saga announced the final Genesis mini titles, which include Tetris, which only eight copies of were originally sold because the right's got pulled. It includes a couple rare games and then one fan made, which is exclusive to the console. And I think I like the idea of coming at this kind of stuff with polish and fit and finish like m2 is going to do a great job in the emulation stuff. I'm I'm I'm I'm more excited about the idea of publishing retro games or stuff that didn't get the full treatments or like star fox 2 or something that didn't get the full like release treatment or whatever unfinished project sequels to things that were great,
Starting point is 00:53:48 that could be great in the modern era like a Sonic Mania. I feel like someone could come in and make a little console or like anything like that that would be cool and exciting and I feel like I've already pre-ordered the Genesis Mini because I'm a big fanboy but I think like it behooves companies like with those huge back catalogs to not just do like classic anniversary collections and to maybe invest in those older platforms even if it's as a novelty because like Sonic Mania sold a ton of shit.
Starting point is 00:54:16 And there's no reason that you couldn't, they couldn't come up with their own like, so to quote unquote indie games in with AAA properties that have like weird mechanics and cool ideas. And I'm kind of encouraged to see that places are at least starting to do that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:32 So I don't know, that was an update on the Genesis Mini. No, I mean, I'm like, I'm sort of like, as you know, I am sour on the whole Mini phenomenon. I mean, the NES Mini was cool. Now it's like, okay, I'm gonna have seven minis, and I'm gonna like switch between them. It's just an unrealistic, it's like a cool little, to me it's like an urban outfitter is like,
Starting point is 00:54:52 but if they threw a Wi-Fi receiver in there, and they said like every once in a while we'll have a pack of new games for the whole genesis. You literally just bought this device from Amazon that like can emulate any game, and it looks like a fucking DS, and I'm desperate to get one now. And it's like nice.
Starting point is 00:55:06 Why even worry about the fucking Genesis mini when you can carry every game system in your pocket? Sure. I think there's a way to do it that I think could be fun and interesting. I just think it's like this whole, it's like a two-way. Any indie game, this is like,
Starting point is 00:55:19 this is some, I sure I agree, but it's definitely like this kind of thing where, you know, you go into Urban Outfitters, they have that table full of like weird chuchskies that are like, well, this is a much higher quality product than the at games consoles. They have really high quality. It's like the Polaroid camera. Yeah, you're like, I need to get so and so a birthday gift. I don't know what to get. Insects cameras sell like crazy. No, no, they're great. People buy vinyls. But I'm just saying, it's the kind of thing where you're like, this is a novelty I don't gonna get for my friend who loves old school video games and it's like,
Starting point is 00:55:49 but it's not really like a thing for the enthusiast. Yeah. On my opinion. Just for enthusiasts. Oh, the enthusiasts are emulating. The enthusiasts are buying the fucking, the mega NG or whatever the hell it is, the thing that analog makes that literally can play the games
Starting point is 00:56:05 and they're crafting their collection of hard to find, limited edition cartridges and PGA stuff. Anyhow. In other news about tech stuff, did you see this Robert Downey Jr. robot army? What? Robert Downey Jr. is worth $81 million at this point. Yeah, that's not that much.
Starting point is 00:56:23 In liquid cash. Just kidding. And he's devoting a ton of it to developing an army of robots to clean up the oceans. He said even if it makes a small dent, it will be the joy of his life. Has he seen the Rumba? He wants to make Rumba's for the safe. First of you can get them for pools. I've been looking at them.
Starting point is 00:56:40 He wants them to also filter microplastic. Sure, why not? I'm just saying it's, it's a fancy room, but it's what we're talking about here. Yeah, but how do you make sure it doesn't eat the fish? How do you make sure it doesn't eat the fish? It meets the environment content I will be here. How does it avoid the fish?
Starting point is 00:56:53 I think that's what the problem they're gonna do. What if it eats the algae? They'll do a captured eye eye. This could go very badly. Yeah. This could go very easily, get hacked by people and then it's gonna only eat the fish. I just want, it's gonna like defish the oceans.
Starting point is 00:57:05 I would like Robert Downey Jr.'s robot army to just fix all of our problems. I wanted it to take away guns. I wanted it to stop straight marriage. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I'm free of the immigrant children. I don't think we have to stop straight marriage.
Starting point is 00:57:16 No, I don't think there's anything wrong with straight marriage. I'm the Stephen Crowder of hating straight people. Okay, people. You're like, anti hardcore anti militantism. Capitalism is for straights. You're like a militant anti-straight. Discussed it. That's like the thing, that's a kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:57:33 And now I'm sure there's like some small pocket of weirdos that are like militantly anti-straight. That's the kind of thing that like the conservatives want to make people believe actually exist. Yeah, this is gonna be a poke. Were they like, were they like, right who the hell are you? No, it's like anti-f exists. Yeah, this is going to be a poll question. Where they're like, where they're like, right, who will hand from the outline?
Starting point is 00:57:47 No, it's the whole antifuthing. It's like, they're like, they're, they're, yeah, their group is called the anti-fascists. And the conservatives are like, they're the fascists. And they're like, no, they're anti-fascists. And here's how you can tell, you are into Nazism, which is a fascist concept, they are against that. They're also not an organized group, right?
Starting point is 00:58:07 It's like, but they're like, all the conservatives always want them, they want to make you believe that there's some like, that there's equal, that there's equal, that's the false equivalency of the whole thing. Yeah. Which is always bullshit, because there is no other group like conservatives.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Yeah. So really is it. They're fucking batshit. Anyhow. Anyhow. What were we talking about? Robert Dandy Jr. is a robot army. Oh yeah, right, I'm here is it. They're fucking batshit anyhow. Anyhow. What were we talking about? Robert Downey Jr. is a robot army. Oh yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:58:28 I'm here for it, as they say, as the kids are saying these days. You know, oh, did you see speaking as what the kids are saying these days, did you see this incredible quote from this is totally off script that Berk and Stock, like head of sales, I think it's incredible.
Starting point is 00:58:41 Yeah, he was like, I could create, he was talking about Supreme. Yeah. And he said I could create lines outside my stores If I put a bouncer find this tweet did I just retweet it? I just retweeted it That's annoying and anyway, it was something like he's like yeah, he's like I too could have lines around the block If I only released a small amount of my product on certain days and had bouncer's and a rope and kept people out of my stores And it's like that is a good point. I mean, it's what Lisa Vanderpump does with her restaurants
Starting point is 00:59:08 is to create the social media idea that people are excited to go to a bravo restaurant. They hire hot people from LA to stand outside and align and they pretend that they can't get in. I mean, and honestly, and honestly, it's a good scam. It worked. It works. Every time it works.
Starting point is 00:59:24 It's really good. I've seen people in New York get into lines. They didn't even know what they were for. It worked. It works. Every time it works. It's really good. I've seen people in New York get into lines. They didn't even know what they were for. They just got into them. That's why I have a hard, I don't wait online for anything. We used to get, once in a while, when we did the Verge show, when we did, when we did on the Verge, when we did the Engage show, we would get people who would come. And then afterwards, we'd always like go, kind of like talk to people who were in, you
Starting point is 00:59:41 know, like when we were done with the show, we'd like talk to people who were there hanging out or whatever. Yeah, that's what I do with my housewives shows. I hang out after a distinct get-feeling. And I like talk to people who were in the, you know, like when we were down with the show, we'd like talk to people who were there hanging out or whatever. Yeah, that's what I do with my house. I've shows I hang out after a district. I definitely talked to a lot of people. I'm like, how did you guys, I'm like, how did you guys to hear about this? Did you see this poster? Are you, are you readers?
Starting point is 00:59:53 What are they like? No, we just saw the line and we got into it. It's like, that's nuts. There's like one, one, you got into a line. You didn't know what it was for and you went all the way through and sat down. That's crazy. But also the you got into a line at all.'t know what it was for, and you went all the way through and sat down. That's crazy. But also, you got into a line at all. Yeah, I have a no reason.
Starting point is 01:00:09 And this is, maybe it sounds, I don't know, condescending. I have no lines policy for anything. Yeah, I'm the same. Literally anything. There's not, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, blah, blah, blah. It's a five minute wait, I'm like five minutes. Yeah. No, I mean, what is this? The Elbs ring? I'm like literally, I'm allergic to waiting in lines or waiting for the, it's not like I'm- It's not like, it's worth it.
Starting point is 01:00:31 It's why I'm dreading like going to Disney World. You could die at any time, nothing is worried. But the nice thing with Disney World now is you can do the fast pass. So there's no blinds. You get a little pager. Yeah. No, what's the fat, how's that work?
Starting point is 01:00:42 So in Disneyland Paris, you literally just can book it on an app, on Paris. I mean, regular Disney World. Does anybody go to Disney World Paris? Yeah, it, what's the fat house that work? So in Disneyland Paris, it's you literally just can book it on an app on Paris Regular Disney World go to Disneyland Paris. Yeah, it was crowded. It was spectacular It wasn't crowded because of the fast pack cuz they're French Disneyland Paris was spectacular But the regular Disney World now has the fastpass system where you can get you just go to a little booth And you flash your ticket and they give you a time to return. And the new Star Wars Land is a digital version of that where you just have a schedule of things you make in the morning by booking like what you want to wait online for.
Starting point is 01:01:11 And then you can spend the rest of your day going into the little stores or looking at some of the like smaller stuff without standing in line. Universal is a great job with that. I think like there is definitely the future because the worst thing about a theme park experience or any kind of tourist experience is crowd management and like the waste of time that you spent thousands of dollars to come here and now you're like, we're in a dark tunnel
Starting point is 01:01:32 waiting to see a dark ride and my kid is crying and I have an e.m. This sounds crazy and horrible. Anyway, I don't like it at all. What else is going on? I don't know. What's it out there? Biden plagiarizing his climate change.
Starting point is 01:01:44 Yeah, what do he do? I'm very confused. What's it out there? Biden plagiarizing his climate change. Yeah, what do he do? I'm very confused. So Biden had been previously accused of plagiarizing things. And he plagiarized himself. I think you can do that. In the past, you can't play dry yourself, but that's not what he was accused of. But this time around, he put out a climate change proposal, which people were really like, this is actually pretty good.
Starting point is 01:02:01 And then came to the realization that it had been entirely plagiarized. Yeah. It's not pretty good. And then came to the realization that it had been entirely plagued. Yeah. It's not a good look. And I just, he consistently, I mean, he's like against repealing the high-demandment. He consistently does these things that just seem like no-brainers and he just seems very out of touch. And while every other candidate is doing a fuck ton
Starting point is 01:02:19 of town halls and outreach and stuff, he's avoiding anyone hearing him because the more they hear him, the less they like him. And he's riding on kind of like the Obama Association and name recognition. Yeah. I mean, listen, you know, it's unfortunate. Listen, the last few days have been a real,
Starting point is 01:02:36 it's been a real week for Elizabeth Warren, in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, it's been a kind of a month of her. I keep seeing, I keep seeing Elizabeth Warren pop up in more places with more good ideas and more cool things happening. I'm really hoping that like, I mean, Elizabeth Warren's a very good candidate. Yeah, she's very good. She really is, would be a quite a good president. And I know that I know that the the hardcore socialist don't agree with everything that she has to say
Starting point is 01:03:09 that's fine your last of their best shot at getting most of what they want well she definitely has a lot of the right ideas and uh... you know between her and bernie you know they obviously have a lot of they've got a lot of things in common uh... anyhow but the point is that she seems like she could be an amazing president if this country was not super sexist. I'm just trying to figure out if I wish.
Starting point is 01:03:32 I wish people reacted to her the way they do peep boot a judge because she's got so much more substance and she comes from the same place of like hope rather than fear. Yeah. A lot of the same philosophies and a lot of the same rhetoric,
Starting point is 01:03:44 but it's more polished and it's stronger and it comes with real plans. And the reaction to Pete Buttigieg is always like, this guy, maybe he should be president. With Elizabeth Warren, it's always like, I mean, I guess she'd be good, but I don't know. Yeah, I feel like it's all based on sex, in my opinion. It is definitely, there's definitely like a ton of sexism.
Starting point is 01:04:02 I do feel like this, and I get it. I get it, you're used to seeing men be the president, and that's understandable. It's weird for people when they're like, oh, he's a stay-at-home dad. People get freaked out because they're like, what? That doesn't compute.
Starting point is 01:04:17 But it's 2019. I mean, let's fucking stop digging around here. Like, literally. Let's stop digging around. So I hope that people start to see and hear what I'm seeing in hearing, which is like, she has really good ideas, she's got her shit really together, she has a history of really good policy,
Starting point is 01:04:35 and like I legitimately believe like she's smart as fuck. And she doesn't, her campaign is not about Trump. It has to reference Trump, but at no point is she like, you know, she's not droning on about how we have to stop this hate and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, which I agree with, but a lot of candidates are doing that at the detriment to selling themselves. They're selling why you should hate Trump
Starting point is 01:04:57 rather than selling themselves or their ideas. And she really does focus on her ideas, which I think is the correct tactic to be like, oh, yeah, well, I really disapprove of this. I think we should probably impeach him for x, y, z reasons. But the real reason you should vote for me is and then outlining your plans and your ideas and what people should believe in with you.
Starting point is 01:05:16 Yeah, and did you see, she did a town hall, I think it was MSNBC. She did town hall the other day. And She did town all the other day. And her answer on, should Trump be impeached, was like impeccable in its, in both like how clear, how clear what kind of clear case she made for it,
Starting point is 01:05:39 and how obvious it was that she truly interested like the source material, which is the Mueller report, and how like definitive her take was, how like not wishy-washy at all, how like it hit was backed by like, it was a factual, factually backed statement. It just was like, wow, like, yes, it's amazing. I feel the same thing when you watch Peaboodoges, except the difference
Starting point is 01:05:59 is Peaboodoges, very smart, very polished, very, very inspiring to listen to, does not have the track record or the policy history that Elizabeth Warren has, which is like major policy that's been very consumer facing, very like citizen facing, like pro citizenry sort of policy. He's just hard to get a specific out of. He's also been a mayor for a few years,
Starting point is 01:06:22 and now he's like wants to be the president, and like he doesn't have that much stuff to speak to. But he exists as a mirror. You can project the more progressives can project onto his gay identity and his rhetoric and the more conservatives can project onto the fact that he isn't openly saying he wants X, Y and Z, socialist goals, quote unquote socialist and America goals. And Elizabeth Warren is standing out there saying, these are the things I want, and these is why you should want them to,
Starting point is 01:06:46 and this is how we'll get it. Let me ask you a question. Do you think America is more ready for a gay man as president or a straight woman? gay man. You really think so? Yeah. That's insane, right?
Starting point is 01:06:58 Yeah. Like, it should be, I mean, not saying like, we shouldn't be ready for a gay man. We should be ready for either, but it's ready for whatever. But that misogyny is so toxic that it overcomes homophobia. I mean, I'm saying like, we shouldn't be ready for a game. We should be ready for either, but it's not easy. We should be ready for whatever, but misogyny is so toxic that it overcomes homophobia. Which, every horrifyingly prevalent in America.
Starting point is 01:07:11 It's like every other country's had like a female president or prime minister or whatever. It's never been a big deal at this point. But this comes from the fact that Britain has a, Britain's had like fucking like a bunch of shitty women running the country like Theresa May sucks. And nobody was like, I can't believe all women's going to run the country.
Starting point is 01:07:26 It was just like not even an issue. Homophobia is derived from misogyny. They come from the same source, but you get a man. Man. White man. But you get a white man out of it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:37 So you can have the same misogyny, but at the end of the day, misogyny will always be held for women far more than it is to the people it's derived for. Yeah. Well, I hope that we can, I hope we can get over this, this hump because the truth is like we actually have some, there are some likes, I mean Elizabeth Warren is a stellar candidate who's not too old. She's older, but she's not too old. She has a history of great policy. She is fucking smart. She knows the government understands like how to get laws passed, understands how to make deals.
Starting point is 01:08:09 I don't know. We also just got to focus up. Did you see that piece? I think it was maybe the onion or some place was like, media hesitant to name any more 2020 candidates. Less there be copycats. It's insane. No, no, no, no, no, it's totally insane.
Starting point is 01:08:26 Like terrorists. All right, so before we wrap this up, did you see the straight parade happening in Boston? I'm not only did I see it, I'm participating in it because as we all know, we need to get, we need to get the, get rights going for straight people. It's about time that we've had some, made some noise. You're gonna get a stained graphic tea, some cargo shorts. What's the, what is the color scheme for straight people. It's about time that we've had some, made some noise. You're gonna get a stained graphic tea,
Starting point is 01:08:46 some cargo shorts. What's the color scheme for straight people? Black and white. That, the hat's on. It looks like a prison flat. That's right. That's right, Chibi. You're lame.
Starting point is 01:08:54 It's black white, black white, black white. You're lame. And then two gender interlinked, think was boring. Zinc. Binary fucking lame ass ideas about it. What is the breed gonna be? Like, dance and dance.
Starting point is 01:09:04 Damn. Yeah, so like everybody's, everybody's, it's like, everything in a beige 1986 Buick is the parade. What the music, I'm trying to think, okay, what's the, what is the straightest music? What is the straightest music? Straightest music. Creed.
Starting point is 01:09:23 Yeah, that's just, they would just like creed and nickel back. It's like creed and nickel. I think's just they would just like Creed and Nickelback. I think even Nickelback would be like gay rights. Yeah, Nickelback. They're all probably pretty cool. I don't want to say, I don't want to speak to turn out, I bet the guys from Nickelback are actually. Yeah, I bet Creed has like a gay cousin
Starting point is 01:09:35 that they're really cool. No, Creed sucks. Creed's fucking lame is shit. Creed can fucking. Oh, it would be like, um, kid rock. Creed is right. Kid Rock. That's in there, he says.
Starting point is 01:09:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, that's not a kid rock song. That's, that right, Kid Rock is in there. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, that's not a Kid Rock song. That's, that's, accidental racist is like fucking Tim McGraw and if, uh, hello cool, Jared. I'm just neaming like, okay, that song would be played is what you're saying. I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:09:54 No, Creed, um, maybe matchbox 20, uh, uh, uh, what was the man you just said? Oh, uh, Kid Rock, limp biscuit would probably come out for or do a performance, maybe. Puddle of mud. No, I feel like a lot of those people would be like, I don't want to participate in the Freddurses. Freddurses, Freddurses woke now, probably.
Starting point is 01:10:12 Smashmouth tweeted like, Smashmouth is woke. No, that's not true. They tweeted like, straight pride parade, get the fuck outta here with that. Yeah, that's Smashmouth is cool. Let's get wait, all started about gay, right? That, that, that, it's about living your, you know, it's about living
Starting point is 01:10:26 your truth. Someone made an argument in a, recently in this week about how, um, all, I think it was each bomber guy said in a video that all star was about climate change. Water's, that is getting thin, the water's getting warm. I see you might as well swim the world on fire. Yeah. I, uh, I, um, I didn't, I've never thought about it. It's a whole, in the satellite picture.
Starting point is 01:10:49 It's like a whole, maybe it was. Smash mouth is the most woke band. I mean, that song I'd never considered that it's possible about climate change, but now that you're saying it, I'm loving the, I'm loving the sounds. Um, did you see this Madonna thing? Uh, the cover story? Well, she says, the New York Times profile made her quote,
Starting point is 01:11:05 feel raped. Oh, yeah, she's not happy. To say that I was disappointed in the article would be an understatement. It seems by the way, Laura and I were telling about this and she was like yesterday was like, I'm really fucking mad about this article. It is bullshit.
Starting point is 01:11:18 The age is, yeah, they're like, you have Madonna, you could talk to her about anything and the only thing that you can think to talk about is how she's old and when she can acquit. But we're all gonna get it. I don't understand what this is like,
Starting point is 01:11:30 it's just like when people punch down at sick people. It's like, we're all gonna get sick. We should all be fighting for healthcare. It's like, why be agents against someone when we're, I mean, only women get it. Here's what she said, which I think is, this is real Madonna, if you ask me. To say that I was disappointing the article would be an understatement, it seems that you can't fix a side and it's endless need to diminish disparage or degrade that, which they
Starting point is 01:11:51 know is good, especially strong independent women. Madonna wrote, this is from a vulture, by the way. The journalist who wrote this article spent days and hours and months with me and was invited into a world which many people don't get to see, but chose to focus on trivial and superficial matters, such as the ethnicity of my stand-in or the fabric of my curtains and never ending comments on my age, which never would have been mentioned had I been a man.
Starting point is 01:12:12 And you know what, she's fucking right. Could you imagine if you got a cover story with Mick Jagger, who's releasing new work, and your only thing you talked to him about was how he was too old and should stop, or like you sat down with Elton John and you were like, you look like shit now. You don't like your tits, get out of here.
Starting point is 01:12:28 It only happens to women. It only happens to women. And I do think it's like, I do think, you know, I do think Madonna has a history of being, listen, no, look, she's not perfect. Madonna's had her mouth. Madonna's, she's a space cadet at this point. She's had her moments of being a NAS.
Starting point is 01:12:45 But also Madonna is a fucking, a once in a lifetime, not just pop music, but pop culture genius. A person who has defined a whole genre of pop culture, like made, there's no Britney Spears or anybody else like that. There's no Taylor Swift. There are no pop stars like that.
Starting point is 01:13:09 I think you make an argument, there's no Beyonce without a Madonna. Easily. And not to say that Madonna wasn't part of a lineage of people like Johnny Pardon and other people were part of. And like Janet Jackson, a lot of groundbreaking. There's a lot of Madonna was the
Starting point is 01:13:23 she was like, you know, I mean, you know, I obviously can't tell you about Michael Jackson anymore because he sucks, but if you take away all of what we know now about Michael Jackson, but take a look at his career as like this crazy, iconic, completely insane, shape-shifting, like pop star that just broke every kind of like idea about pop stardom that you could think of
Starting point is 01:13:44 or that we'd ever seen, like Madonna was the equivalent, maybe the better in some ways. You know, like a prince level fucking genius. But anyhow, like, I do think it's like obnoxious that like the New York Times is just notorious for having like the most insane opportunities in squandering them in such obvious and predictable ways. Did no added their look at this and go, is this all we have to say about her? Is this all we're going to do here in this article?
Starting point is 01:14:16 Especially at a moment when she is the epitome of the celebrity that no longer exists, which is mysterious, removed from the culture, universal name recognition, universal. Like, she was part of a wave of celebrities that were elevated like gods, pre-instagram, pre-reality show, pre-influencer culture. Like, she was a curator and an artist, but also a kind of celebrity that doesn't exist anymore. And that is such a weird thing you could ask her about and get her perspective on. That would be super relevant and that she would have, she would know in a way, like when you watch Truth or Dare, that kind of celebrity doesn't exist anymore. It was like her Michael Jackson. There were specific people, Marilyn Monroe, that understood, maybe the last person that understood that level of universal celebrity was probably like a Britney Spears or a specific like Matt Damon and Ben Affleck who understood what that
Starting point is 01:15:07 kind of celebrity meant. And instead of asking her about any of that, you're just like, you look old when you're going to stop. It's very, it's very, it's tough stuff. It's very sad and Madonna deserves better. Can I talk about nice things? I guess we really should at this point. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:23 Wait, I gotta think of my nice things. Go ahead. First nice thing is I found a subreddit called water is fucking stupid where people just dunk on water. They just find pictures of water and say like look how fucking dumb this water is. They're just insulting water. So it'll be like water on a leaf and it's like you got trapped by a leaf. Or it'll be like water and it'll be water in a bottle, and they'll say, how smart could smart water be? You're trapped in a bottle, dude. Wow, okay.
Starting point is 01:15:51 Is it a very popular subreddit? It's gaining popularity, I'm proud of it. You're like working, you're trying to get it out there. Yeah, okay. I watched the new Black Mirror episodes. Oh, I've heard they're terrible. Are not the same level of quality as you are. I think people just have realized the Black Mirror is bad now,
Starting point is 01:16:04 and now that when you see it, you're like, oh, wait, actually, this is bad. I will say the first episode, very sexy. The second episode is the weakest, but it's got the hot priest from Fleabag. So that'll get you through. And then the third episode has Miley Cyrus in a Britney Spears inspired episode,
Starting point is 01:16:19 which I thought was fun. And it was fun. I had fun with that one. Did you watch it? It's not a good black mirror episode. You watch Fleabag, I assume. I love Fleabag. I have a lot of strong thoughts about Fleabag. I that one. It's not a good black mirror episode. You were actually a bag, I assume. I love Fleabag. I have a lot of strong thoughts about Fleabag.
Starting point is 01:16:27 I love it. Here's the thing I'm a Fleabag. Fleabag's like love sex. She doesn't seem to like sex though. I think it's, she's like always saying about how she likes sex, but does she like sex? But I think it's part of the complicated fixation and usage of sex to fill other holes
Starting point is 01:16:45 that you might have through trauma and psychological issues. But you don't necessarily love it. Or is it using it? Or is it using it? Bad writing. No, I think she's relating it to a drug, which is like you can be fixated on it and use Coke every day, but do you love Coke?
Starting point is 01:16:59 Please don't talk about my personal habits on this podcast. I've asked you many times. Much better was good omens. By the way, Moriarty's amazing in the infl- If nothing else worth it just to see his insane. He's so- He's so good at performing.
Starting point is 01:17:13 What were you saying? Good omens on Amazon. Oh, you started watching it. I finished it. I loved it. I don't know. I fucking loved it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:20 It's not perfect, but God is it charming. And it's ambitious and Miranda Richardson, just why do we not cast her in everything? There should be a statue of her in Central Park. She's so good. I think we can make that happen. And then I downloaded a game for Switch called Gatto Roboto. Oh, I was looking at that.
Starting point is 01:17:36 It's like you're a cat. It's a game boy game, basically. Addictive. It's like a Metroidvania style, but you're a cat in a mech suit. It's so charming and fast paced and it's so satisfying to play. Should I get it? What do I like it? Easily. You know, dead cells has DLC. It is worth every dollar. I have not played the dead cells DLC. Well, I have I've been playing it, but I don't know how to... There's all kinds of new stuff in it,
Starting point is 01:17:59 but I don't know how to get to the new stuff. Yeah. It's unclear. That's a beard game to do DLC for. No, but it's got like a bunch of new levels and new weapons and new enemies and it's fucking, I'm so excited, sorry, this is sort of like my nice thing. I don't wanna jutt into your nice time. Go ahead, keep going. I don't know, I loved Gato Robato, I love the art style. I just super recommend it.
Starting point is 01:18:16 Highly recommend it. I almost bought, I think I put up my wish list. I love it. I pick it up for two, it's like a gameboy game where I pick it up for two seconds to be like, let's just do nothing and I will lose hours and it's so satisfying and fun. I love it. It is.
Starting point is 01:18:29 I made by a company called Dwayne Soft. Love Dwayne Soft. Great. And then the final thing is I saw a network on Broadway, which is closing this week. So this isn't much recommendation, but it was phenomenal. It's a good Brian Cranston, right? Brian Cranston Tatiana Maslani, Tony Goldwyn, it was based on the Oscar winning,
Starting point is 01:18:51 best picture winning film with Vey Dunway, which is one of my favorite films ever. And the adaptation was super sharp, modern, tons of inventive media integration and like tricks, staging special effects and tricks that did not, they weren't spectacle, they were just used for devices. Their performances were amazing.
Starting point is 01:19:14 I cannot believe it's not just gonna run for a thousand years. It was so good. So if, I don't know, if there's ever any opportunity to engage with the network Broadway show for you, if they release something or something, definitely engage with it. It was really good. And if you have never seen the movie network, do that. It is a great film.
Starting point is 01:19:32 A great film. Yeah, everybody should see it. I guess this is my turn to deny things. Yeah. Oh, and I didn't, I forgot. No, it's not. We talked about earlier, but I got the GPD XD plus, which is the Android. It looks like a 3DS, but it runs Android GPD XD Plus, which is the Android. It looks like a 3DS, but it runs Android,
Starting point is 01:19:46 and it's basically an emulation console that's really tight package. It literally has the build and the exact body design of a DS, but then you open it up, and you made the top screen bigger. It's bigger, it has different controls that are more of switch-like. Yeah, they're closer to like a PS4 group switch.
Starting point is 01:20:03 Yeah, and it is running Android. Yeah, it's really sketchy. It's an extremely sketchy device. You definitely have to put a custom ROM on it because the software that comes is terrible. Um, makes the games run. Did you put a cost? Did you install costs in ROM? Yeah, I did clean ROM. It was super easy to do. Really? It runs much better. All the games and emulators are better. So it's not you're on a higher version of Android now. Um, I think it's a seven or eight. And nine is in development. But they have released it.
Starting point is 01:20:29 It's right eight then, you're pregnant. Yeah, I don't know. I'm like, you don't need anything where the man is. It seems great. I just don't want to, I mean, I have a slip. It's 200s on the box. And honestly, I'm playing Chrono Trigger on it right now. It feels so good.
Starting point is 01:20:40 It feels so good. It feels so good. It's like, I don't see why you would need to, I don't see why you need to get the genesis mini when you can have that in your bag. Well, there's a level of like polish that normies need. And there's also like ease and simplicity and the controllers and it's cute,
Starting point is 01:20:56 the little tiny, yeah. Yeah, I guess so. All right, what is your nice thing? I don't know. I just cut it into you. I'm trying to think of, hold on, wait, let me of what my nice things are. Okay, so my nice things are,
Starting point is 01:21:07 I, so I've been playing days gone as you know, which is like, I'm sort of passively into, like it's bad, but it's good. It's good, it's fine. But it's bad, it's as good as it needs to be. It's enjoyable. Sometimes you just wanna be out in the apocalypse, and it's very fitting, like I'm reading the stand,
Starting point is 01:21:26 so it's like a really nice companion to the stand. But I download it for some reason. The other day I was like, I really love to play like a medieval, like just something that's not a post-apocalyptic hell world game. Like something that's like more, just like a totally different universe, yeah, more escapist. So I was like, you know, I never really played Skyrim,
Starting point is 01:21:45 and then I went and looked at like, watch the trailer for the PS4, and I was like, oh, they read it, the graphics, and it looked really good, and then I downloaded it, and it doesn't look good, like it doesn't look that good. I'm like, it doesn't really look kind of bad, but it's basically fallout, it's fallout three, but it's like you're in medieval times,
Starting point is 01:22:04 not the place, but whatever. So it's, I'm gonna play it a little bit. I haven't gotten back into it since the night. I downloaded it, I played for an hour, and then I went to bed, so that's a classic. So much a classic, so much a classic. So much a classic. I just bought the Rick and Morty guys made a game called
Starting point is 01:22:21 Torver or something. I bought that for VR, and I bought Blood and Truth for VR, and the time I will dedicate to it. Oh, Blood and Truth, this was really good. The time I will finally get to that is like a timetable of a month. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just, I have so many, I've downloaded so many,
Starting point is 01:22:34 I've recently bought so many games for my Switch and my PS4. It's like really out of control. Like I was like, I wanna play a game that's set in Japan. So I bought like, I bought Yakuza, I bought Persona 5, I bought it. I didn't have to pretend to move three. Yeah, I mean, I guess whatever. Yakuza 6 is like good, but it's like, damn, there's a lot of dialogue in it.
Starting point is 01:22:53 I'm like, all right, and I can't even not, like I can't, because it's all Japanese, so you can't even look away. Like I can't look at my phone while they're talking, and there's like some scenes where it's just like, they're just fucking, just talking. I'm like, it's cool. This is cool, but like, I wanna go explore Tokyo.
Starting point is 01:23:07 Can I just get the fuck outta here? Anyhow, so yes, Skyrim, wow. But then while I was watching, it's another nice thing. While I was waiting for Skyrim to download, I was like, what, I'm just gonna, I need to watch something while I'm waiting. And I went, I saw the community, and maybe it's always been on Hulu.
Starting point is 01:23:24 And I was like, oh my God, I haven't watched community forever. We started watching from like season one episode one. I gotta say that shows fucking insane. It's so funny and good. And like really, a lot of, I think what they did now would not be acceptable. Like there's a lot of stuff that I feel like
Starting point is 01:23:37 they kind of would get canceled for, because I act like 30 rock. And I think yes. And I think to some degree, some of it would be justified. Some of it is like our over sensitivity to things right now like and I'd rather see people throw a ton of shit at the wall and most of it is good and then a couple things are not tight. Yeah. Um and so and so yes so I think basically like that was good and fun and we now we're watching community which is great because like every season of community is 24 episodes long, so it's a lot of really bite-sized things
Starting point is 01:24:09 to watch. No, they're not all great, but the most of them are pretty entertaining. Then I think my final nice thing is, last night, just before not quite drifting off to sleep, but just close to it, I was like, I asked people on Twitter, what's the best thing they've ever bought that was under $25. And some of the responses have been really good and interesting.
Starting point is 01:24:35 There have been several of our 110 responses or something like that. Like Tyler Love, who's the CTO of Bustle, was like, I have 30 bitcoins. 30 bitcoins, he bought for under $25. They're currently worth $235,487. That's a bunch of 30 bitcoins would be. He sold them for $200.
Starting point is 01:24:59 So, my brother bought a Bitcoin to buy a fake ID. Ended up, it didn't work out, but he had the Bitcoin Bitcoin exploded was in the news He was like how do I get my Bitcoin back? I said oh you don't know where it is. He said no So he went on a year-long like digital like treasure hunt with his lost treasure map and can't find it and he would easily have The valuation of whatever he purchased was like $10,000. I was like, and my brother is a college graduating college student. It could really have- Very sad.
Starting point is 01:25:33 Set him up. This is very sad. I got a lot of really interesting responses. Several people said a bidet, which I guess is like you can get an adapter for your toilet. Oh wonderful. A couple toilet things. So maybe it was like here's these emotion sensor, LED, toilet lights.
Starting point is 01:25:48 Like, I don't know, like, is it, are we, can we just put the light on? Yeah, I need a toilet light. And if it's nighttime, I just take myself on and hit the flashlight button. Yeah, you can, there's so many ways. Just, you sit down. You just, no chance of screen it up in that situation.
Starting point is 01:26:02 Anyhow, a pretty amazing selection of things and some good, really good recommendations, a lot of game stuff. Anyhow, it's just interesting to see what, one, it's interesting to think about like what is relatively inexpensive that you are like, I would tell people about this. It's interesting.
Starting point is 01:26:19 A huge quality of life or like a good plus for a cheap press. Yeah, I think that there's like, it's interesting to think about like, we tend to like, we talk a lot, I mean, we, you and I talk about this a lot, but people in general talk a lot about like, big purchases like buying the new phone
Starting point is 01:26:31 and getting expensive clothes or shoes or whatever. But it's like, it isn't to think about like, what are the weird little things that are like, a dime a dozen, not a dime a dozen, but relatively inexpensive that get, like I think dead sales a great example of thing that I paid very little for, 15 bucks or something, five bucks, I don't remember how much you paid, has think dead sales a great example of thing that I paid very little for, 15 bucks or something,
Starting point is 01:26:45 five bucks, I don't remember how much you paid, has to give me a ridiculous amount of joy. Like a absurd over like way over index amount of joy from that purchase, you know, and I think it's interesting to kind of consider those as we are enter into, you know, whatever the next stage of existence is going to be depending on whether or not we have four more years of Trump.
Starting point is 01:27:04 Like what are the things that we can derive a pleasure from that also aren't like necessarily like playing into our worst capitalistic uh, instincts? The best things in life are free. No, they're not. They cost under $25. And you can find them in the list of things that people treated at me. Anyhow, yeah, all right. Well, that's it. I think that's it for my nice things. I had more than I expected actually, which is a huge surprise. I think Vincent for the show? Yeah, all right. Well, that's it. I think that's it for my nice things. I had more than I expected, actually, which is a huge surprise.
Starting point is 01:27:25 I think that's it for the show. Yeah, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow, and as always, I wish you and your family the very best, though, I've just discovered a subreddit that's exclusively for dunking on your family.

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