Tomorrow - 170: We Have Eyes for The Hills

Episode Date: July 26, 2019

Josh and Ryan have unglued themselves from the MTV reboot of The Hills long enough to discuss Jeffrey Epstein (ew), DOOM (hell yeah), and the moon (what?). In an effort to better both ourselves and the planet, episode 170 comes with an extra helping of Avatar references. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Josh Woods-Polski. Today on the podcast we discuss Doom, The Moon, and Justin Bobby. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. All right, man, we're back. Hi. 170. 170 episodes of the Tomorrow tomorrow podcast 170 episodes of

like total perfection where nothing has ever been bad or wrong. That's what I love about us. Remember when we were like Hillary Clinton's going to win. Unbelievable at executing on every level. Um, yeah. So we're back. It's been a crazy week. Uh, a lot of stuff has happened both. I would say, on the personal and professional level and also in the world, you know. This week was a big week. We announced that BDG, Bustle Digital Group acquired inverse, which is a... Oh, I thought...

For a second, you meant big dick guy. Yeah, big dick guy. No. BDG Inc. As we like to call it. We acquired Inverse, which is a kind of like science, sort of geeky science, like culture, entertainment, site that probably, hopefully, I would imagine some people listen to this, many people listen to this, no.

That's gonna be a thing that we're, that we're kind of like building and rebuilding and doing really fun new, exciting things with, that I'm going to be overseeing. It's going to be, for example, really exciting, interesting connection to input, which I'm going to, which I will, we will talk more about in the very near future, input now, which is like, we've been talking about for a while, like, one of the things, this is one of the things we couldn't discuss. Yeah, this is one of, this is one of the things we could discuss. And like, and, and, and, like one of the things, this is one of the things we couldn't discuss. Yeah, this is one of the things we could discuss. And like, and and know one of the things

about input is that we basically started planning and then like went through this whole acquisition thing with the outline joining BDG. And then it was like, okay, now, you know, as soon as I get in there, they're like, okay, what do you think about inverse? And I was like, oh, interesting. And so that became a whole thing.

And so there's really, I'm excited. I'm super pumped like, as you know, I'm a huge nerd, maybe you've heard. And now we have an army of nerds to go forth into the world. We have an nerd army that we'll be growing. And really cool new shit that we're building. I'm very excited. So excited. On the product side, we're building some really awesome

new things to tell stories. And we're like integrating outline stuff on the within the whole BDG platform, which is actually really sick, CMS, and publishing platform. And there's just a ton of really exciting stuff going on. Anyhow, I just want to say hello and welcome to the inverse team. They're super good and smart.

And if you've not been paying attention to inverse, you should start paying attention, especially because it's going to get go from, we're going to weaponize that. They go from awesome to fucking awesome and in a short period of time. And I'm just very excited about working with that team. I got to meet everybody and kind of talk to them a little bit more in detail because like when you're doing these kinds of acquisitions, like only like three people know basically. And so you can't, you can't like actually talk to any because like the second you talk

to any like one random person, like it's like actually talk to any because like the second you talk to any like one random person like it's like out there. So yeah, it's very exciting. It's an exciting time. There's a lot of stuff going on. I have been doing, I've working a lot and I'm very tired, but it energized. It's an exhaustion of physical exhaustion, emotional excitement. Yes, it's all of those and so many more. Oh,

anyhow, so that's one that's a big that's a big thing that's happened. And what else like what else is going on, Ryan? What is it? It's going with you with me. Well, I actually have something fun to plug. No, it's not in the Apple podcast store because it's taking them 72 hours to approve it. But I launched my new podcast. It's called The Lost Episode and it is me and a guest every week are improwving and writing an original script on air for a classic television show. And some of them are 100% in the vein of that show and we try to stay really honest to the spirit of that show and we try to say really honest to the spirit of the original show.

And then other ones are like real housewives of the apocalypse. Yeah. Depending on what the guest wants to do. And we're doing one. We're doing one. I have one that we've talked about. I know that there's one that is not only is it like

a episode that I wish existed, but also it has, it definitely is like well positioned thematically with the show itself. Mm-hmm, anyhow. I know what you're talking about. I'm very, I'm very excited. I'm very excited. It's currently not in any of the podcasters.

It might be in Google Play because they just take some so long to approve it. But if you go to my Twitter account, you can find like a sneak peek of the first episode. The first episode's about Buffy, but I have like a whole bunch of crime. We have X-Files, Freaks and Geeks, Glee, Real Housewives, Sex in the City, Charmed. We have like a whole bunch of episodes in the hopper that I'm really excited about and I've been putting a

lot of time into this over the last few months and so it's finally coming to pass. And yeah, I'm really stoked. So I'll let you guys give you a heads up next week when it's on like all the proper podcast stores, but I'm super excited about it. Like it's super fun to do, and everybody thinks they're gonna be bad at improvising an episode of television, but in fact, if you've watched the show, you know how it works.

I think it's a wonderful new endeavor, and I think the world, you know, one thing I've been saying to people is what the world doesn't have is enough podcasts. And if we could just make a few more, when we'd be great. Someone said to me they were like, well, I mean, you've got a lot of projects going out

of the moment because, blessedly, I am a little overbooked. And I was like, yeah, but like, I like doing this. Like, this is like, just like, this is like going to the park for me Everything else is like a blend of like I love the people I'm working with I'm excited about the content And then I got to do the work But this is just like pure joy

So if I never make a single dollar on it, this is just me getting my rocks off on air So that's exactly how the tomorrow podcast was was formed was started and now we're stuck was formed, was started. And now we're stuck. Here we are. Aw, aw, aw. So anyway, that's my little plug. No, it's great. It's not proper world news, so maybe we should get into that.

No, there's a lot of world news. There's a lot of things going on. I just wanted to, I just had to, oh, I know what I want to talk about first before we talk about anything else. Because I just remember because I tweeted about it last night. We need to talk about first before we talk about anything else. Because I just remember, because I tweeted about it last night, we need to talk about the Hills reboot. Oh yeah. I don't know if we've actually talked about this at all.

I mean, maybe put you on it at one point, but we haven't gone in depth because I don't think you'd fully like, yeah, I don't think that's what it's like. Yeah, okay, maybe we already talked about it, but I just want to, I'll have been catching up on it because Ryan is like, I forgot about it.

I don't know if you know that there's this Hills reboot, right? And it's like most of the cast of the Hills, but then with some new additions, like Misha Barton, who was like not on the Hills, she was on a show called the OC, which Laguna Beach, the original show that the Hills was spun off of from was based on. So it's very meta and full circle that like the show that was a reality TV show version of the drama sheet network drama She was on that got spun off into the hills and then now after a few cast changes and replacements in the reboot She the original actress is now in the reality TV show version of her original show. It's so weird. Yeah, I I think it's great. I think it's anyhow. Here's the thing.

So the reality is, it's just a completely bizarre show. It's like weirdly high and low. Yeah, it's like it's like reality TV and prestige drama drag. Yes, and it is, it is, like it's mostly interesting because it takes characters that were sort of like established with the hills. And then it like takes those like the, I would say it takes like the largest chunks of those characters you know and turn them into these exaggerated cartoonish, like sort of like elephant Titus of a personality, I would say, as what it is. It's like these like, these like completely like just unbelievably outsized, oversized irregularly-sized versions of their personalities. Like, there's a character Justin Bobby, who on the original Hills was like a side character

that you really didn't see very much of, and was like a kind of quasi love interest of this character named Adriana. And their dynamic was this. Like Justin Bobby was a Louvre and kind of like too cool to like put labels on things. AKA he'd want. Yeah, she'd be like,

can you come to my birthday party? I really want to introduce you to my friends and he'd be like, I actually have something going that night and I don't know, like, you want me at your party? Yeah, or like, or like, he's even more like, he's like, he would be like in the old hills, he'd be like, I don't do birthday parties like that. You know, like, okay, like, or some shit.

Yeah, you're right. That's what it would be. Like, he'd be like, I don't celebrate his time. Or like, it's like, it's too much pressure. Or some, you know, like, he was like kind of like a, he was like a kind of wannabe Johnny Depp. He was kind of like a fuck boy, but like was not smart enough for like fuck boys status. He was just like, I don't know.

I would just say he was like a young Johnny Depp, is how I describe him both in look and in his like actual like personality, like at any rate. But it was like, it was like a side thing and it was not, he wasn't that exaggerating. It was basically, Adrina really likes this guy. And he kind of like, he just not that into her. But now it's like, become a central plot point on the show that like Justin is like this. He's so aloof that he's actually sinister. And he's also so dumb. Yeah, he's a real, real dummy.

And that the funny, because his friends are like, man, how do you get these girls? And he's like popping his collar or whatever, like fashion he thinks is relevant. And he'll just say things that are just like, I don't engage with the diminishment of personalities, man. And you're like, that doesn't mean anything. That's not even those already,

if it were, is it? No, I tweeted this thing last time, and Lauren, I were like dying. I texted it to you because we were catching up on like the last episode last night Yeah, we're by the way like it wasn't available to stream yet And I'm like I'm not gonna pay three dollars to watch those like yeah, I'm paying three dollars to watch this I'm like, but like he literally there haven't like he's like you know basically, um, you know Cop between two women or whatever and he's trying to like establish to the on the in the like the interview

The on camera interview. He's trying to tell us that he's like above it. He's trying to establish on the interview, the on-camera interview. He's trying to tell us that he's above it. He's above women fighting for his affections. He made this statement, which is so, I mean, it really isn't done just as unless you see him say it. But he said, I chuckle at immaturity. I laugh at stupidity. And I just like disregard negligence. And it's like disregard negligence is like the most it's the most nonsense set of words

like ever put together. It's like it's like a seller door. It's like it's like it is a grammatical like creation that should be put in a fucking museum that we should study. It should be like studied by scientists. I just like disregard negligence. Like because the thing about the show is, he thinks he means what he says that. That's what I want to know. The thing about the show is that they, it was sort of a fake reality show originally where they were, they found a bunch of these like 20 somethings in LA and they would put them in situations where they would kind of tell them like, you're going to go on a date with this guy and we really think you're going to like him. And then they would understand that they're supposed to like this guy and then they would

like formally be like, you're going to go intern and they would tell Kelly Katrone, their boss like, hey, Lauren needs to learn that she can't bring her friends to the office. So if that comes up and Kelly's like, got it. So it was all pretty fake. But in the intervening years since that show, if the entire world thinks you are these characters and you made these choices and you lived your life this way, they're going to treat you that way. So Adrina and Lauren and Heidi and Spencer, everyone who's on the show, Justin Bobby, has had

those expectations placed on them by the entire world because it was a hit show since then. And they, instead of real housewives, where it's kind of like they make their choices and then they air it on TV, these, a lot of their choices were made for them by producers in this early version of reality TV. And so now they're living up to those personalities

and it's to the point that they have, I think internalized those identities and now they're living up to those personalities and it's to the point that they have, I think internalized those identities and now they're fully acting out those characters with what seems to be like minimal prompting this round and it's bizarre to watch that they have fully. Adrina is acting like Justin Bobby was the love of her life and it's like, he was a guy she sort of dated for one season on TV but because it was so famous, it is built up for her. Do you know what I mean? Like, it is a high stakes relationship for her all of a sudden. And it's so weird to watch.

I mean, I, it's got to get you into Vanderbilt. It's not like I started, I got to tell you, I got to tell you, we started watching an episode the other day and I couldn't, I could not take like 10 minutes of it. I couldn't, it's so brutal to watch. It really is right. But it's, this is like a trend with like 10 minutes of it. I couldn't. It's so brutal to watch. It really is right. But it's like a trend with like double shot of caffeine. The antipromptu is like meth. Like it's the strange stuff.

Like I just say, can I just say the hills thing is, I mean, I think watching it reminds me of what I really dislike about reality television. And frankly, most television in general. I think that, I think that it's, we really, I mean, we're really, we're like really fucking ourselves up. And by the way, there's a report that just came out that like bad TV is like,

as actually making people dumber and making them more likely to support populist politicians. And I definitely see, like, I have to say, like watching, I just watched the, the card, I watched the Kardashian episode where they like, you know, where, where, where Kim, I think we talked about this, where Kim is like petitioning, you know, Trump to like get a sentence, get someone sentenced, shortened. And like, you know, now like, they they're like we're talking to Trump about a sap you know a sap rocky being you know detained in is that who's detained in Sweden right now yeah whatever and it's like it's that kind of shit that's like it really softens like suddenly

you're like oh well my favorite these favorite reality shows shows stars are like kind of cool with this person and like I think it's all very dangerous and I think a lot of the people on these shows like as I watch them, I'm like, you've got like a very Republican point of view about things, like a very weirdly conservative, right wing point of view about the world that feels bad. And I do think like, I don't know,

watching like Brody and like Spencer Pratt. And like, do these people, like, who are they? What do they really think? What is the quality of their like, I mean, they seem bad to me. They seem like bad people. That's my impression. Like, not nice or good people.

No, I don't think that they are. And I think reality TV does thrive on mixing a couple of normal people with lots of bad people. But there are a lot more normal people now. It used to be like, okay, it used to be like this. There was a show called The Real World. And in the second season of The Real World, I believe it was the second season,

they had a character named Puck. And Puck was like kind of the first ever villain, like popular on a popular like widely seen reality show. I wanna say it was season two. It might have been season three, on a second like wide, widely seen reality show. I wanna say it was season two. It might have been season three, on a second real world. I think it was season two. I think it was season two.

I think that's where they kind of introduced the... I don't mean normal as in like regular people like you and me. I mean, what the character archetype of voice of reason, which meets the Barton is currently in, which is when someone acts completely out of pocket, like bizarre behavior, they say like, hey, you're acting a little weird. Do you know what I mean? Like that person, they need that, you always need that person in the cast for contrast. Yeah. Uh, yes. The real world services goes the third season.

Oh, it's the third season. Yeah. Um, was too New York? No, Los Angeles. Oh, that's right. And Los Angeles didn't really have a villain. I mean, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say like, probably in some way they made like the black guy who was on at the villain because that's like what all the real world did for like 10 years before they were like, wait, we're racist. It was always a black guy or a gay guy who like ruined everything. Yeah. Yeah. Well, except for Pock. I mean, immediately Pock was like a white guy who was a completely obnoxious villain who was a shitty to everybody.

And I think that was the point where like people were like, oh, there has to be this character that actually explodes everything. So that's the point where they would start casting a racist and a like, and a, and a, so what was an early version of a social justice warrior, like an outspoken minority. Right. And then they would put them in the same room or something with a kind of room.

And the person would be like, I'm sorry, I just don't think gay people deserve to live. And like that would be the, you know, there we have a, that's the episode. But like I think that, and I know that this is redundant to say when like a reality TV stars president because of the image purported by a network about him.

Yeah. But when I watch real housewives or Bravo, I know that I come off like I love these shows and I definitely there are there's a real thrill to it, but it is also sort of an anthropological sort of interest because I have seen the adoption of philosophies and patterns of behavior and behavioral patterns, like a, like a, like a scripts for interacting with each other that work for reality TV, but don't make a ton of sense in person, which is like, I'm sorry, you feel that way, or the concept of owning it. Like, if you do something horrible and you just own that you did it, like you'd be like, yeah, I did that, then then it's okay. Then we don't have to talk about it anymore. You owned it. And you'd be like, yeah, I did that. Then it's okay.

Then we don't have to talk about it anymore. You owned it. And that's not like our real thing people do. You can't go to court and plead like, you know what, Your Honor, I own it. Like you can't do that. Yeah, that's not like- But those patterns of behavior

are now mainstream politics. Like, there's- Yeah, it's totally gets away with things by owning it. We're saying I'm sorry I made Mexicans feel that way. Well, the reality should behavior has become like commonplace and it's completely fucking insane. Another thing that keeps happening on the show that I think is like the kinds of like weird reason

that people do is like, like there's this whole storyline about like whether or not Brodie invited Spencer to go to Vegas for like Brodie's DJ gig. Which by the way, Brodie is a hilarious and pathetic character on the show in so many ways. But like, but like, they're like, somebody, you know, somebody says to, to, to, to, um, Heidi, uh, Heidi Pratt, I guess, is her name now and Heidi Montag Pratt or whatever. They're like, you know, well, well, Brody, you know, uh, well Spencer, you know,

somebody's like, she's like Spencer wasn't invited. And this is like, yes, Brody, you know, well Spencer, you know, somebody's like, she's like, Spencer wasn't invited. And this somebody's like, yes he was. And it's like, was he? Can someone just like find out? Could we just get, is there an email? Was there a text? Could we ask Spencer whether or not he was invited? Could we ask Brody if he invited him?

Like, I don't feel like they ever- It just comes down to he said, she said, it's like I said I invited him. You said we didn't. Well, it must be something in the middle. Like, no, it mustn't. There's either a text or there isn't. I don't know, it's like, it's like, I said I invited him. You said we didn't. Well, it must be something in the middle. Like, no, it mustn't. There's either a text or there isn't. Yeah, no, it's like, it's like this thing with,

it's like there's a whole drama around, sorry, we're talking about this for way too long. There's this whole drama around whether or not Stephanie, or whether or not Justin Bobby told Stephanie Pratt that that Adrina kissed him. And whether or not they actually kissed, and I'm like, you literally have fucking cameras on you 24-7 they were definitely cameras on you at the party where you claimed it where it's claimed that you guys kissed

Well, let's just review the tape. How about that? How about you just show the like literally? I mean even to the viewer of the show they are not sharing like what actually happened And it's like so the engine of the engine of drama on the show is like totally unresolved and apparently unresolvable questions about who did what to whom and everyone's a puck. So there isn't an instigator and then people who are dealing with the instigation. It's like everyone is at some form of an instigator. But here's the thing. I don't think we are talking about this for too long

because this is the thing that I find fascinating. This feeling you're feeling, we were like, what the fuck, like these people, how can you act like this? And like there's clear evidence or there isn't. And like these weird behavior patterns that they get into in order to support their egos or whatever personality disorders we're working with.

That is the thing that the entire Bravo network is built on. And the reason that that's important rather than just like a way that a soap opera is functioning because we've always had soap operas is that in the way that soap operas gave us true crime stuff, which was like the OJ trial, the Lacey Peterson case, John Bene, that became like a version of reality TV and then networks realized that they didn't need a full murder and they didn't need to show up to courthouses. They could just put people fighting into a house. That seems all superfluous to entertainment, like it seems like the bottom of the barrel. But when an entire network is built on

that and a whole format is driven by that and you dress it up the way the hills is being dressed up, which is the way Vanderprung rules is dressed up, which is as prestige as these people are beautiful and they're rich and they're special now. And we all have to pay attention to them. The kind of logic that works for those shows spills over into the real world. And you have these situations where like, it's fully, I'm saying that this is what happened. Even if it's on tape, you're disloyal to me or you're not a real fan or you don't support me. There's a lot of like throwing around the world that words like he didn't support me.

You didn't support my event. You're not supporting my charity. You haven't supported my marriage. Like a logic that I have never used in real life. I've never wondered if someone quote unquote supported my marriage or supported my event like you could either make my birthday party or you can't. Yeah, no, no, no, it's fine. It's insane. But that has carried over into politics where now people blindly quote unquote support Trump and they're loyal to him, even if they are presented with facts on camera of something that he's lying about, they have, they are, they are, they feel enabled and fully free to choose loyalty over anything else because these TV shows have like, I really believe have impacted the American psychology

where we believe loyalty and being on teams and supporting each other is more important than getting the facts correct or admitting you did something wrong or not owning something, taking ownership of your culpability. And that psychology is the thing I feel like I've been beating a drum about for a while

because I have seen the people who are loyal viewers of this show adopt this mentality. And then that has bled out into people I know who don't even watch these shows, but that these patterns of behaviors have rippled through society to the degree that I've heard my mom use phrases that are from Real Housewives and she doesn't even watch scripted TV. And it's very weird to me. And the hills right now to me is the lightning rod most perfect version of it because it is these characters we've lived with for so long, and they're all desperate for money,

and they're all older, and yet they think the solution to the problems that were made by being famous are like to get more famous, which is such a Trumpian logic. It's like the idea that like more money will fix your more money, more problems problems, and that's insane. And so I don't know. I think like I have really recommend that if you have any interest listener in watching this sort of play out from an anthropological perspective, do it because it's so weird. Yeah. No, no, it's crazy. And also I just think, yeah, I mean, I think generally the kind of like reality show, if vacation of things is having like, I mean, it is, it is this

like, I mean, that's what social media is. We're just social media. That's right. That's right. It's all, it's all like you being viewed by people performing a version of you that is the version you think that people want to see and that you think. If you go to the park and you have a nice picnic, nobody sits in that picnic and thinks like, what a great day this is and takes it to maybe a Polaroid to put on their wall.

We are now there performing through our phones, a version of our lives that, and so if it isn't bucolic and it doesn't go well and we don't get all the comments in the affirmation, it didn't really matter. And I feel like I can feel that in my friendships sometimes. And I've tried to make a point of not really posting big of life events or things I'm really excited to be on Instagram.

I take pictures because I enjoy taking pictures, but I try to like not perform it as much because it really impacts your psychology when you're in that moment and that impacts how you talk to people and the like trickle effect on that on your whole life. Like we haven't grappled with that as a society. We barely grappled with television and now we're all in our own television shows. So I was actually just talking to this teacher and author Jenny O'Dell who is an artist who's done all these like interesting like internet. Our projects just wrote this book about kind of like, about getting off of the internet

and getting off of social media and, you know, sort of, importance and ways to think about that. And she teaches at Stanford, she was saying that she was talking to a class about, about the idea that Instagram is a performance and YouTube for the same people is like where they're, it's like the behind the scenes,

because they were talking about people putting like, fails on YouTube, like talking about things that happened to them that were bad and horrible or stupid or where they had a bad situation. And like their Instagram is like where everything looks polished and beautiful and performative. And then YouTube is this place where they are like,

the behind the scenes or like the things that didn't go well or like the time I screwed up this thing. But then that's also another type of performance. And you're sort of like, where's the real part of you, right? Where is that held? And where does that live? And like does it exist? I mean, it's like the thing that Warren Beatty says to Madonna and Truth or Dare, he's like, is it worth saying if it's not being filmed?

And at the time, he was making fun of Madonna because Madonna wanted cameras on her all the time because Madonna was like an international superstar and was doing everything as a performance, which makes a lot of sense. But now it's like we're all, we all think that like, we're all kind of in the, is it worth saying if there's no camera on you or if you get it's not being filmed?

I mean, the last bastion of personal reflection or like creating something privately, I think even therapy, you have a therapist there and you're performing for the therapist in a certain extent. There was a way of performing for an imaginary audience that you knew didn't exist, like which was keeping a diary or keeping a journal. And I remember when blogs came around

and we were openly posting our journals, and I knew that they weren't the full truth, but they were presented in this authenticity way, which like the boy I liked in high school kept a blog, so I would read it every day, and I would know everything about him, which wasn't healthy. And at the time I knew that was school kept a blog, so I would read it every day and I would know everything about him, which wasn't healthy. And at the time I knew that was crazy stalker behavior,

but now it's just standard that we're all keeping up on everybody's every thought and whim and where in privacy, who's keeping a diary anymore? And do we lose something if we're not doing that like private creation and the private reflection? And like the, it's, it's, listen, I mean,

it's like the performance is the diary is the, is the public performance now, you know? And, and frankly, it makes our, it makes our discourse worse and, and rooter and less sensitive to like actual humanity. But it also turns the concept of value from a point where we felt like we had objective value because of the people in our lives and that we liked ourselves and what we knew about ourselves. And now instead of writing in your diary like, wow, I really had a cathartic entry today.

I think I wrote something down finally that I had been unable to admit to myself and now I did and now it's on paper and I've got to process it. And it's in a drawer and it's locked and that's fine. Now, the value isn't in how it made you feel after or what that exercise or that expression did for you. It's does other people like it. And it shapes the way you see yourself or like the way you sometimes you'll post something on Instagram and you know that it's a little disingenuous,

but once you get all that validation, you adopt that as part of your own narrative and your story and you're changing the way you saw something that happened to you and it puts all of the value on other people. So instead of being a society which we're constantly saying, like you have to like yourself first, what other people think of me is not in my business,

I don't care what people think. Like, that we keep saying that. And yet, we've assigned all of our society value on imaginary internet. We can turn those into money now. Including, including, by the way, including, you know, I mean, this is like literally the mute, like everything, okay, we're like going down a rabbit hole,

but like music, also, like what we now, like the core thing that we are interested in in music is tends to be like, how fucking great you are. Like, in all genres of music, it's like, you basically can't write a song that isn't about like you being the shit, you know? Yeah, like, which is like,

you know what, that's not really that great of a fucking, like mode of existence. All right, let's get off this topic because let's talk about this a really important topic which is that all the Doom games are available now on the Switch, the X-X1 and the PS4, every Doom, Doom, Doom 2, Doom 3.

I think they're on iOS and Android too. I think they're everywhere. I think they're everywhere. Anyhow, I'm very excited. Somebody told me, I was talking to Chris Grant from Polygon and he was like, we need to have on this show again soon. Um, he was like, you got to play, um, whatever the last doom game was, like, doom, I guess? Yeah, doom. He was like, you got to play it to awesome. And I like, I don't know.

I mean, maybe I will play it. Maybe I'll just do. It's really good. I'm gonna fucking do all of them. You mean to get into a fucking doom death match right now? It's really good. I'm gonna fucking do all of them. You mean to get into a fucking doom death match right now? Anyhow I I also downloaded blazing chrome which is like a spiritual successor to Contra on Switch and it's phenomenal. Oh, I saw that. Is it good? Oh good. I'm Sussan it. Yeah, I'm looking at the quake. It's like the sonic mania of Contras. I'm looking at the quakeCon hashtag right now and it's actually wild. Apparently

there's also something called Slayer's Club, which is a good doom related thing, which has a really good logo. It's like very pretty sure that was both be related content, but I don't think so. Any, all right. What's on the list? Let's burn through some non-reality shows. You want to have a Jeffery Epstein? No, I don't either. I don't either. Amazing, amazing , amazing pedophile jailed finally. Apparently, he like heard himself. I don't either. Amazing, amazing. I mean, amazing pedophile jailed finally. Apparently, he like heard himself. I have a theory. There was a story where he's like, he heard himself

and he was like rushed to the hospital or something or found injured. My theory is he's about to stage the most elaborate fucking breakout of all time because he's a billionaire and his dad's gonna fake kill himself. Like, like, something's gonna happen where like, you know, he's like rushed into like a surgery and then somehow like, there's a body swap and like, they slide him out of like some tube out of a window and he gets into like a chopper that takes him to a private plane that he flies to like some kind of island somewhere that he owns.

That's my, that's what I think is going to happen. I could be wrong. He actually does own an island, I think, so. But I think you can kind of get to it anyhow. I know what to say. This guy's a pedophile. I like literally was looking at articles from like, you know, there are articles. It has been articles about this guy being a fucked up pedophile forever. He got some kind of insane, I mean, I don't really want to talk about it that much. All I can say is it appears that justice is finally being served with this dude. Thanks to- I'm honestly just sick of seeing his fucking face every- So am I, so am I. But thanks to New York courts, which hopefully have like Donald Trump in their sites, like justice is actually,

the Southern District of New York is actually taking like real action on people who are fucking true villains in society. Rich motherfuckers who are abusing their power and their money and their positions to pray on people. And like, you know what? Fucking grind this motherfucker up. That's all I have to say.

Grind him and turn him into pasta. I just can't, I mean, I guess I can believe, but it is shocking to me that money means so much to people that they would look the other way over like hundreds of kids. Oh, dude, I mean, this is like money. People just love money so much that they can swallow that. Like I couldn't swallow that for a billion dollars,

a billion dollars, I could not sleep at night knowing that some child was abused for me to get that money. I don't know, I don't know. A lot of people have been told that it's interesting. A lot of people took that pay out. I know, I know, I know, I know. I would kill myself off a roof. By the way, nobody got a billion dollars for the record.

Just be clear. That's what I'm saying. Like the most extreme version of this, these some of these nobody got a billion dollars for the record. Just be clear. That's what I'm saying. Like the most extreme version of this, these some of these people got a hundred grand to keep quiet about hundreds of children. No, it's not. It's super crazy. It's an interesting question actually.

That's a great sort of like challenge. It's like for a billion dollars, would you like, what would you cover up for a billion dollars? Like what is it a murder? Is it rape? Is it actually a failure? I think it easy to say in like a, in a, in a, like an imaginary scenario, like fully never going to really happen. Like, yeah, I do that. A billion bucks. Come on. But if you actually think about what the rest of your life, living, knowing that would be like,

you would have to be a sociopath to not, like, you're, whenever your thoughts drifted in the shower, how would they not drift to this horrible fucking thing that you allowed to happen? And this is lots of people apparently. They could all just self-delude and like move like it's so horrifying. That's what really scares me because I know there are pedophiles, I know there are billion errors, but the idea that everyone is fine with a pedophile billionaire is like for so long that I can't deal with. Yeah. No, I mean, I think, look, it's, it's, I mean, look, I, but I think I

hate to take this back to Trump, but like, look at how much is being ignored and tolerated. Look at what's happening with these kids at the border. People like children are fucking literally dying. They're, like, kids are literally being caged and they're dying. And so many hundreds of not thousands, if not thousands, if not millions of people are basically complicit in it by not pushing back against it, by not speaking up about it. I mean, think of every Republican.

Think of this is why I wanna go into therapy with some Republican family members. And just so that I can understand that what they're disregarding, and that they are, that they can objectively look at the situation and say, that's bad, but I'm fine with it because. Like, I just need to hear it. I mean, listen, because it's so hard for me to be in a world of people.

This is meat. This is meat eating for people. It is like how you can, the further, further you can get away from it, the easier it is to never have to think about it and not have to rat. You can rationalize it and you don't really have to like be confronted, right? Well, that is true. I mean, it is the thing with I never talk about meeting

with people on vegetarian, and I never want to be the ignoring vegetarian. I don't bring it up, but when people do bring it up to me and they'll say something, I stated an Airbnb in Philly with my extended family that was a converted old butcher like building and some of the stuff was still up and there were still photos of some of the animals like, with my extended family. That was a converted old butcher building, and some of the stuff was still up, and there were still photos of some of the animals,

like what the building looked like when it was functioning, and so you could see meat, and they were all like, ew, I can't believe this is in our place, and I was like, we just went to a steak restaurant. Yeah. Like we just did. It's fine if you're fine with it,

but you seem not fine with it, so can we just, what are we talking about? I mean, look, people denial is a powerful fucking drug. And so anyhow, so people deny they deny all sorts of things. And like, it's hard to look. It is. It's hard to watch. Okay.

But like, sometimes you have to. And sometimes you have to say something about it. Oh, I'm glad he's going to prison. I hope he gets murdered in prison, but the real kind, not the secret island kind. Yeah, let's talk about the moon landing for a second. 50th anniversary of something that did happen. Yeah, happened.

Happened. I just want to say, we have a story on the outline.com that you should go read. It's called Finding God on the Moon. It's about the kind of intersection between like religion and space exploration. And frankly, how like many astronauts have like kind of like really like deep spirituality and deep sort of like strain of religion that runs through a lot of their like interest in in in what is outside of you know our sort of known our known universe. And it's a really just a really kind of beautiful and interesting story. Now as you know I'm an

atheist and so like religion the organized religion tends be, I tend to have an allergic reaction to it, though I think this is an interesting story. As Tricky Mattel said on YouTube recently, winner of RuPaul's Drag Race, just because we're all little kids doesn't mean there's a sitter. Wow, so true. So true. But anyhow, the story's a really cool story about,

sort of the intersection of religion and space exploration. And I recommend everybody reading it. It's called, like I said, called Finding God on the Moon. I think there's, it's interesting. There's a lot of like, obviously the 50th anniversary of the moon landing. We're all sort of talking about space and the moon. And it's, the thing I'm reminded of most as I read all this stuff is how easy it was,

how simple it was, to feel that things were moving in the right direction because of a single act. People felt this concept of sending a spaceship to the moon and getting people to stand on the moon, which now seems, by the way, incredible and impossible, have they been back? They haven't been back, have they? No, we've been back to the moon. Have we been back to the moon? Once less history walked on the moon. I'm pretty sure like China's not going to be the moon. Oh, we're 2024. We're going to return to the moon according to this article.

But it's interesting, like, anyhow, but it's like that, even now, I mean, now if you were, if you were going back to the moon, that would not matter. If you're going to Mars, it's one small story in a sea of other, and a flood of other stories that make it seem insignificant. And it does seem like at the time, of course, I wasn't alive, but at the time, it seems like

this was a way to get people on the same page. And I feel like so increasingly, the only thing that we have to get people on the same page. And I feel like so increasingly, we have the only thing that we have to get people on the same page is outrage. You know, is a machine of cancellation of outrage? But the hope is that we would all get united against the common enemy, which is climate change and the destruction of the environment.

And that would be the thing. But the problem with that is that it doesn't capture your imagination. It's like, it's an enemy. There's no corollary to like Columbus. Do you know what I imagination. It's not like, it's an enemy. There's no correlate, but there's no correlate to like, Columbus, do you know what I mean? Like it's a common enemy, but we don't have a cultural story

for this common enemy. There's no like thing you can punch. That's correct. That's correct. There's no bad guy to assault. And I think that, you know, I think that it's important. I mean, look, I do think, I don't know. I mean, there is definitely a, I don't know.

I don't know if we can even do it anymore, even if it's a good guy, forget about like, good guys, I mean, forget about like whether it's a bad guy or whatever, is there even a way to get people around an idea that's positive these days? Like, about get people excited, like I feel like excitement has been, you know. And by the way, I blame Apple a little bit for this.

I blame the iPhone launches. I do think like we've gotten a little bit like numb to like- I was gonna say the only thing that people get excited about now are things that they'll get to own. Yeah, but even now that's like that has kind of like tapered off just a mixed in. And even like, personally Elon Musk,

who like a little while ago I would have been like, Elon Musk of like tapered off to some extent. And even like personally Elon Musk, cool like a little while ago, I would have been like Elon Musk is like a Steve Jobs level genius. But now where like Steve Jobs was a piece of shit. And then you're like, oh, Elon Musk is actually a piece of shit. And you're like, wait, are they actually geniuses

or are they just like great marketers? Like I used to be like, you know, a few years ago with Elon Musk, I was like, wow, this guy's really revolutionizing an industry that has like for a long time felt like nothing ever Nothing knew whatever happened in it. He could like change the world and now he's like, you know selling like He's selling like flame throwers and like making fake like hyperlube products that end up being bunk and talking about like

brain interfaces and it's like dude Like what are you doing? But it's I don't even think of the problem because I think the response to this would be like, well, everyone's critically thinking about all the minutiae and we're all talking all the time. So now we're unable to get excited because everyone's always, someone always has a complaint. Some SJW always has a complaint. But I think the actual fact of it is we haven't learned yet how to contain multitudes or nuance and to say like, you know, it's so great we went to the moon.

There are some problems inherent with the fact that we only sent white men. We should probably talk about that, but we can still be excited that we went to the moon in the way that like I can enjoy a Marvel movie and have some like light critiques and still like it and be just as excited as everybody else. And I think we haven't all gotten there yet

to the point where we could be like, it'd be so great to go to Mars. And everybody's like, yeah, let's go to Mars. That would be amazing. Like let's work really hard. And but also hold in your mind that like, this is money being spent in a particular way. And if we can try to shape the way that it's spent

so that we can get some innovations out of going to Mars that we could use here on Earth to solve some problems here. Like it's just, it's a lot for people to take on. We want a particular thing. Yeah. So I feel like we haven't made that transition in the way that we talk about things yet. Right. And like that was why Hillary Clinton lost was that we couldn't be like, she's amazing

in a lot of ways. I have some light critiques. I hope she fixes some of this stuff. I don't support war. And I think we have to get money out of politics But you know, she should be president people couldn't do that They had to just be like fuck her fuck the whole system whoever's gonna burn it down and because there was not a way to like rap it all Up and be like I am vast and contain multitudes. It was just like this whole system sucks, and I don't want to engage with it But you know what I have actually have something to tell you,

did you know that the moon is technically part of the under the purview of the archdiocese of Orlando. Like if you were the bishop of Orlando, you're also the bishop of the moon. That's tight. Because the way that the Catholic church works is that until a church is physically built and whatever, wherever the port of where you left from was,

that is who controls whatever they discover. So because it left from Orlando, the original moon landing, that is technically part of that, like they're under the purview of that part of the Catholic Church. I always think that's very funny. That is interesting. Very interesting. I hope that they make it, they put a little church up there or something. Hopefully not because if we're building anything on the moon, I hope it's not a useless building, but- Right, that'd be bad. I don't think we've built anything on the moon yet. a useless building, but right, that'd be bad. I don't think we've built anything on the moon yet.

Soon, though, soon. All right, what else is going on? Let's talk about some, let's talk about some non-controversial items. Do we have any of those on our list? Avengers Endgame beat Avatar for the highest movie ever. Take that. Navi Pandora. So it was called the, the planet. The Jake, Jake, what was his name? Jake sunny. I don't know. What's his name? It's like the, uh, Jake Sully, Jake Sully's the main character of

that. Yeah. Take that Jake Sully. Uh, that's cool. Um, uh, Rucker Howard died. That's very sad. Yeah. I don't know.

There's nothing to say about that. One thing about Rucker Howard is like, he really, he really wasn't, that's very sad. Yeah, I don't know, there's nothing to say about that. One thing about record-hower is like, he really wasn't in that many good movies. I mean, I love record-hower. He was in some great movies. Most of them are like cult films. He wasn't like a guy who was ever in like a great movie. I mean like a classically like, you know,

the godfather, he's not in that. He's not in the Godfather. But he was an amazing actor and he'll be missed and he was not that old. He was only 75. So, you know, very sad. Picard Trailer. Picard Trailer.

I think Picard looks awesome. Yeah, I have, I believe this is the true return to form for the franchise. I have a theory My theory is that Picard is gonna have like all timers in the show And that and that part will be about transition and that part of the thing is gonna be like him kind of like grappling with like losing his Memory or like having like misplaced memories or like kind of slipping out of time or maybe it'll be like that But then we'll find out the Borg have gotten him again

They're doing some kind of experiments on his brain and he's like shifting between like times. You think he's like, oh shit, like he's got Alzheimer's, but then it turns out they're like actually like fucking with him. All of these sound good to me, frankly. Yeah. I'm very excited about it. I'm gonna guess I'm gonna have to re-subscribe to CBS all-access, even though I unsubscribe because they like Wouldn't put something on there because they were worried about how the Chinese government would react to it and on the on the good fight. Oh

Yeah, yeah, God that I forgot that that even happened. It's in the world is so bad There's just there's just so many bad things going on I mean, there's just so many bad things going on. Anyhow, what else? What else? Did you see, oh, well, I mean, there was the whole Mueller thing this week, which is in itself, I don't think terribly interesting because my mom called me and was like, I didn't get to see it.

Like, can you give me your take on it? Because your dad keeps talking about it. And like, my dad might be an unreliable narrator. I don't have anything. The president's completely got off, Scott free. Right? And I was like, listen, even Mueller seems a little I don't have anything. The president's completely got off scot free. And I was like, listen, even Mueller seems a little exhausted at this point because the information is there.

Like, Trump is a criminal who committed high crimes and misdemeanors and is part of a conspiracy and the evidence is there for impeachment and that he's not a safe person having office. And people don't want to do anything about it because they're scared that voters will dislike that they did something. What you're supposed to do, what you're supposed to do now. That's really all that that is. Yeah, you're supposed to start impeachment hearings and finish the investigation, basically.

Yeah. And people don't want to do that because they're scared that they'll look spiteful. Yeah, I don't know. I guess like AOC and Nancy Pelosi are having some kind of big meeting today. So maybe like the whole thing with them is like, hopefully after she teaches her how TikTok works, they'll get to something like a substance. No, but maybe the whole thing with this like battle

between the battle between the like different sides of the Democrats, like, you know, the more the squad and whoever else that, you know, the other people, the old people. Maybe that whole thing is just like, it's like one of those things in a movie where like the people who are like fighting against each other then have to team up. It's like in the Batman Superman movie where like, oh, well, Batman wants to kill Superman. You're like, wow, this is like when Loki is suddenly one of the Avengers. Exactly. Maybe that's what's going to happen. Maybe this is all a stage thing so that people will be like, holy shit. They're like, now it's like the dream team. They're all

together on the side of righteousness or whatever. Just saying like, maybe they're actually like, it's like 40 chess. It's possible. Hopefully. Or this is just another on our another like stop on our winding roller coaster towards doom. I know really maybe I don't know. All right. What else? I mean, should we are we is this a short one today? I don't know. It feels like it feels like there hasn't even though there seems like a lot of news. It feels like there actually isn't much new news. Yeah, it just seems to be continuing. I mean, there's this stuff going on in Puerto Rico, which again, like there, my take on it is like, the governor seems like a terrible person. And I hope those people, when they tear his administration down, put up someone better,

but I don't have faith that, that angry mobs vote correctly. So I don't really know. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. I like wish the people of Puerto Rico any period of time in which they're allowed to flourish and grow and be healthy without natural disasters and horrifying politics and racism, but it's not looking great, so I don't really know what to tell you.

It's horrifying, but I mean, it's like with the ice arresting American citizen thing, where it's horrifying, but I mean, it's like, well, the ice arresting American citizens thing where it's like, that's really horrible. I don't know how to stop them from doing that because every time we try to stop them from doing horrifying things, like nobody wants to take real substantive action, they just sort of like post with a hashtag. And so I don't want to get apathetic,

but the other part of me is like, I don't know what to do with this besides be loud and like donate a bunch of my, whatever expendable income I have. Like I don't really know, like that's horrifying. I should not be doing that, but I also don't know like what substantively,

like if the public isn't willing to get mad about this stuff anymore, like people should be marching in the streets over that. That's like horrifying, Nazi, like Japanese internment camp stuff. Yes. But, but people don't want to march in the streets. So I don't, like sometimes I think I'm the crazy one. But I am like, if I went to therapy and they told me not to react and horror to some of this stuff, that would be a bad therapist. So am I the crazy one? You know what I mean? Yes. I, I know exactly what you mean. It's we're living in it. We're living in it just a very bizarre time

where nothing that is logical seems to make any sense. And it's painful. It's painful. Maybe. There's nice things. There's always nice things. And I think now more than ever is the time to talk about them.

Yeah. Do you have any? Do I have any nice things? I thought we were going to say the hills, but that ended up being a news item. I don't know. You do your nice things and I'll figure it out. Okay. Um, so I went and saw Kathy Griffin's new documentary, um, and the documentary itself like her stand up, I've always liked even the, like, less, the more, quote unquote, problematic-y stuff where she, I guess, she would make jokes

about people's appearance and stuff that people consider bullying and I totally get that and we've definitely moved past that. But I do think there was a place in the journey of comedy, especially for women comedians, breaking into that space, like for people like Joan Rivers. And I think it's hard to judge what the jokes they were trying to make and the way they were trying to fight power

and speak truth to power during the context of their time was. But the current iteration of Kathy Griffin is really centered on politics because of she had that whole scandal where she held up a Halloween mask of the president's head that had catch up on it and people took it as a death threat. And she was the first entertainer in the United States to be investigated by the Secret Service and the CIA and have the power of the president like turned on her. She is currently treated legally very similarly to a terrorist. She can't fly without spending, building in like a day or so for customs to interview her everywhere she goes and she travels around the world for her shows. And so she did a new documentary where she documented for about like a half an hour of the movie is

really getting a taste of like the horror that that can bring them upon you, like people sent death threats to her, which is bad, but expected. But they sent death threats to her sister who was dying of cancer at the time after she shaved her head in solidarity. People then got wise to the fact that her sister probably had cancer and they would send her horrifying letters. And even though her sister, we don't know her sister's politics and her sister's going through a horrible time that's unrelated to

Kathy Griffin and you just see like the real horrors of humanities were like kind of turned out on her and then she does a Back half of the documentary like a solid hour and a half is a stand-up special And I didn't love the editing. I didn't love the way that it was cut up And I didn't love the like, sweetening that they did with like, you know, laugh track or whatever. But the actual content in there is really good and kind of really inspiring and it's great to hear something so fresh and awesome from a woman of a certain age who has been a known like, quantity of what she does for a long time. To see someone like, really evolve like that with their work and stay as engaged and vibrant and fresh and honest and not to resort to Kardashian jokes or whatever like, Stick was working for her at a certain time. Like, her thing has always been speaking truth to power and for a while that was celebrity and now it's politics. And

for someone who aspires to do comedy and some capacity more, it's really cool to see that. And capacity more. It's really cool to see that. And she did a Q&A afterward with Tina Brown. And she couldn't even get through that without making jokes to Tina Brown about how like privileged her life is. At one point, she was like, Tina, I have a question for you. Do you have any Faberj eggs in your home? And when the apocalypse comes, do you think those will be worth anything? And it's just like, no. It was really funny and great. So that was a nice thing. Another nice thing was that Veronica Mars dropped a new season a week early for Kristen

Bell's birthday, right after my birthday. And it was great and awesome. And I've always loved that show so much. I love the books. I love the crowdfunded movie. It's like a show about, if you've not seen it, it's a show about like a teen detective and then she grows up and it sort of stays in her hometown and she's still like a private investigator.

But those are like the, that's like the concept, but in broad strokes, the show is about trauma and like the armor and the skills you build up as someone who is ostracized or traumatized and how those things can help you survive, but they're also a hindrance to thriving. Like the things that you can use to fight off bullies or to keep yourself sane or to carve a space for yourself

in the world, those can also be the things that hold you back from being able to have healthy relationships or trust people or You know let your guard down and as someone who grew up Definitely employing a lot of survival like like my sense of humor was always like a survival technique More than it was like something I like that was naturally flowing out of me and it's sort of fun to See a character over the same time that I grew up, because that show came out when I was in high school, like grow up with me

and deal with that like trauma and that level of like ostracization and like what it does to people. And it's great to see like a character kind of grow with me in that way. And the new season's really good, Pat and Oswald's is in it. So I highly recommend that. And then I know it's a lot, but my last nice day off.

I do. My last nice thing is I didn't want to really have So I highly recommend that and then I know it's a lot but my last night is I didn't want to really have a big 30th birthday party, but my fiance kind of was like you have to do something So I put together a karaoke night, which is happening tonight for anyone that wants to come I just kind of invited everybody and hopefully people will show up But a lot of my childhood friends from high school couldn't make that time. So, John, the other day, was like, I'm taking you to a surprise, and I didn't know what it was,

and I thought we were gonna see like a Broadway show or something, and when we got to this restaurant that I really like, all my childhood friends were there, they'd all traveled from several states, and they all brought me like handmade gifts, and we went out, we had like a night of like, we did, we also did karaoke that night. We went to see like a drag show

and we saw like go-go dancers. And it was like really, really fun and really unexpected. And it was so nice to like connect with those people because like a lot of people come in and out of your life, but those like long-term people are really special. So that was a nice thing. And I think that's everything that I like enjoyed this week. Wow. Well, you know, earlier I was talking about Elon Musk. And my

nice thing is not that great this week, but I've been I finally took a Tesla for a test drive. Have I talked about this? Have we discussed this at all? You said you wanted to get a Tesla? Yeah, have we talked about this in the podcast? I think for a second. I think that's it. I think that's it. I think that's it. I think that's it. I think that's it. I think that's it. I think that's it. I think that's it. I think that's it.

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a charger at night and then like having a full charge the next day. I think that it would be great to do the same with my car. All the time when I'm driving now, I'm like, oh fuck, I only have 10 miles of gas left. Like, and then I have to go somewhere and stand there and pump a bunch of nasty fucking crude shit into my car that is bad for the environment and destroying people's lives. It's just like dinosaur bits. It really is.

And so anyhow, I'm excited. I've just been thinking a lot and sort of like armchair shopping for what the car. The problem is there aren't that many cars that are electric. And that's a problem. Like we need to fix that. My dad was just looking at cars and he was trying, you know,

my dad is that kind of like, he is quote unquote conservative in like his voting patterns and the way that he like listens to media and his reaction to issues. But when it comes down to like stuff that requires like day-to-day choices and common sense, like do you like gay people or do you want an electric car? He like ends up going with those choices, which is always so funny to me. But he wanted something that was super fuel-efficient and he was looking at electric car options

and the ones on the table didn't really match what he needed. So he had to get something that was like fuel efficient. I forgot what he got, but something that was fuel efficient, but also like could do the things he wanted. And it was just like, why are we not like car companies? Like fill the hole. Like let's spin up some other car. Like why isn't there an electric pickup truck?

Yeah, I mean, there's so much. And yeah, I just, you know, like I literally had never driven a Tesla, that's so much, anyhow, I just, you know, like I literally had never driven a Tesla, that's the insane thing. And, I mean, I will say this, like there's just like, it's like a completely different level of a vehicle, but also, like that should be the way

more people are making cars. I mean, not just like it's electric, but the whole thing is like rethinking a car. Boogie, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, ohogie, boogie. Oh my God, please don't. Anyhow, I'm kind of excited about that. I also, like, for some sick reason, I just reserve the new Galaxy Note 10. I'm like, there's definitely something wrong with me. Like, is there something wrong with me? I have a Galaxy Note 9.

That's like, where? You see a bunch of money by reserve. Well, no, no, you can get $600 trading value, which I was like, that's like most of the cost of the phone. Like, if I traded my Note 9 for a Note 10, so I'm a sick fuck and I should be stopped. And as you know, I'm like, all iPhone all the time. I'm an iPhone. I got an Apple watch now. I've decided. That's right. The Apple watch is good. And I'm into it. And I'm like, really

like, I'm just all in on Apple. I'm like, by the way, I still love Android. And I actually miss my pixel all the time, and I'm like, I like long, I so long forward like the ease of use and the simplicity and the sanity of Android. I don't know, whatever. I can't give it to this Android iPhone debate, except to say that I definitely miss, absolutely miss the, there's just so much about Android that makes so much more sense than how the iPhone functions,

so many things, but I do love, I do love I message and being part of the quote unquote conversation. The board, as they say. Yeah, I mean, look, I feel like I'm talking to my family more. I do, I feel like I feel like I'm talking to my family more. I do. You know, like I feel like I'm my mother and father now communicate with me on a way that I am feel comfortable with, which is texting more often now that they don't see that green thing. So I think it's really wrong and rank and nasty. And I feel like I message standards should be open standards that everyone can use, because I think more secure messaging

should be not a luxury, but something that everyone, I mean, that is also what they promised. And they originally introduced, I'm actually, they said it was going to be open. So it should be something that everyone enjoys. And it's, it's, it's why I acted it isn't, but until it isn't like, I'm here, I am trapped, trapped inside and loving and hating it. And yeah, I don't know how this got to be kind of like a not don't like, but like whatever. Every week, you're a nice thing as a bittersweet. My nice thing is like, yeah, I drank.

It was so much fun, but then I drank too much, and then it wasn't fun. Now I'm dead. Yeah, all right, good. We should wrap up. Let's do a quick one. I mean, we got a lot to do, you and me. We're very busy people. We got to figure out how to get this new technology slash

nerd empire into the eyeballs of every human being on the planet. Yeah, we're gonna clockwork orange people with the content. Yeah. Our new model is like clockwork orange, basically. It's very exciting. All right, bye. Bye. Bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow, and as always, I wish you and your family the very best.

Though, I've just heard that one part of your family believes that Justin Bobby kissed them, while another part of your family says that Justin Bobby didn't kiss them, and Justin Bobby is chuckling at their immaturity, laughing at their stupidity, and just like is disregarding their negligence.