Tomorrow - 171: Hollywood Ending

Episode Date: August 2, 2019

Episode 171 of Tomorrow is Josh and Ryan's reflection on the state of politics, American reboot culture, and the podcast itself. It's also a discussion of Quentin Tarantino's foot fetish, Marianne Williamson's cigarette preferences, and the best way to burn your trash. Grab your copy of The Witcher III, some Funko Pops, and a can of New Coke. You're gonna to need 'em. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Josh Wittipolsky. Today in the podcast we discuss, share and take, bootage edge, and trash. It's not always one minute. Let's get right into it. Alright, we're back, man. It's going on. Hey, alright, what happened? You know, this is a weird week. It's a weird week. It's a weird week. I've had a very busy week. And then today it just feels like I'm trying to start the engine, but it's flooded. I'm just not. I'm over this week. Like, let's get to the next one. I'm, I'm, I'm, would be happy to also not get to the next one. I'm like very, I'm very, no, where are we? Absolutely fine with me if it all ends now. Totally good with that.

Yeah, no, I mean, we had two democratic debates this week. We had, once upon a time in Hollywood came out. Once upon a time in Hollywood came out, I haven't seen it yet. Trump is racist. Still? Huh. No. I'm just like, little Noss X is now the Still? Huh. I'm just like, a little no sex is now

the chart record holder on Billboard. Oh, oh, the Epstein DNA thing is great. That's great. Yeah. Good stuff. It's just one of those weeks that just kept happening at the same time. It was a week that wouldn't stop.

It was like the Terminator of Weeks, where you're like, you blow a bunch of holes and you're like, well, this thing's dead. And then it just like gets up. It like does that thing where it gets up. I kind of like, like shadowed, shadowed, not shadowed, as you're like moonwalkers. What was the name of the Michael Jackson game on Genesis? Moonwalker. Yeah, like, you know, he does that thing in the in this movie criminal video. Like it's kind of like how the Terminator gets up. Comes right back up. It's like a more like God. Now it's kind of like how the Terminator gets up. Comes right back up and you're like, God, now it's gonna kill Mackenzie Dave.

It's like a more extreme. Oh yeah. She was in the, was she in the new movie? Is she in the show? She's in the new, the new, the new. Terminator Dark Fate. Yeah, Dark Fate. I'm like so over people like retconning sequels.

I don't know. I am kind of pumped for this. Why? There's been a lot of Terminatorels. I don't know. I am kind of pumped for this. Why? There's been a lot of Terminator movies that I wasn't pumped for. I don't know. I just like it. Like we got John Conner's returning.

Who cares? The fucking circle ends with Terminator 3, the best film of the franchise. It makes fucking great. It's actually the best Terminator. T2 is the best one. Actually, it's not, because you have to see T3 and then you're like, wow, this actually is the best one.

And you're like those guys who are like, revenge of the Sith is better than any of the original true. Revenge of the Sith is the pinnacle of the Star Wars films. I think we know that. No, it's like, now it's like people who are like, Rogue One is actually the best movie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's actually about all about Rogue One. No, you know what, I like, I did, I loved Rogue One for like five minutes at the end. For five minutes at the end of Rogue One. I walked away and I went, I had such a good time. And then on reflection I went, nah. I was like the whole thing, no, the entire thing was like,

I was like, my whole thing was like, what is this? Why am I here? And then for five minutes at the end, I was like I my whole thing was like what what is this why am I here and then for five minutes at the end I was like oh shit No, you did not Anyhow you see Rogue one but really just you can like you can look at Twitter for Like night most like 95 minutes of that movie you can just like be checking Twitter It's no problem. You just need to make sure you check out like the end part. Do you wanna talk about the debates? I guess so.

Fine. You wanna be front-load this with bullshit? I, here's what I mean. We can just give like a hot taker too. I don't listen, I don't give, I don't, there's no point in talking about individual candidates. This is all I have to say.

It's like the Democrats are having a debate where they're like, how should we handle climate change? And they're like, and they're actually, actual problem is, they're like, we all think climate change is a problem. Let's do something about it. They're like, immigration, we've got to improve this. This is, you know, they're all like,

no more detention centers, no more concentration camps, no more kids and cages, every Democrat. There's no Democrat who's like, actually, I like the kids and the cages. What I want to we keep doing that? So like, on a kind of like fundamental, nobody's like, I am against abortion. Does anybody on the stage who's like, feels that way? They're like having these like, kind of frankly, pitiful fucking arguments about like Barack

Obama's record and, you know, like how they would handle climate change. And it all seems like really dumb theater to me because we're not even having that conversation in America. In America, no one's like 30-second sound bites of everybody trying to charm you, out- outrage the last person, agree with the person who isn't a threat to them, and then also get in a plug. And it's like to do that over and over again over the course of two nights for four total hours. It's actually five hours.

They actually were like two and a half hours of peace or something. But like while the CNN commentators are framing questions being like, you know, is it even possible to stop climate change? And everyone on stage is like, yes. And they're like, I don't know pivoting. What do you think?

Should we help people who are sick? And they're like, yeah, I guess. And they're like, hmm. And then Elizabeth Warren goes, I would actually like to cite some, and they go, we don't have time. And then we get an answer for the CNN. On the fucking CNN format, the fucking CNN format was absolutely the worst. It's like, I mean, literally I didn't hear a single person.

I don't even feel, I don't even feel like we need to talk like the moderators are terrible. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,. This is not a real question. He's like, and also these fuckers are advertising on CNN right now. Which I thought was like, frankly, Bernie's best moment from any of these debates. But I mean, that and I wrote the bill. I wrote the damn bill. But like, but like, I will say like, first off, some of the people who are in these fucking debates these less than 1% polling mother fuckers,

Steve Bullock from Montana can like kiss my ass. Like, do I do not need to hear this motherfucker talk over a genius level person like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders? I have to hear Steve Bullock's rhetoric. Like fuck you. Steve Bullock is not going to be the fucking nominee. At least, frankly, Marion Williams and showed up to put on a show, baby. I mean, she showed up to do an old style cabaret about the psychic crystal. I was like, John Delaney or whatever,

has like 29,000 Twitter followers. I know Twitter's not like the B y'all end all, but I'm sorry. Like, by, like, I feel like I feel like I could have gone up there and there would have been more people interested in what I had to say than fucking John Delaney. Yeah, sure, you should be running. I'm not sure you could have gone up there and there would have been more people interested in what I had to say than fucking John Dilling. Yeah, sure. You should be running.

I mean, a vermin supreme. Actually, it's a ticket where I'm going to wear a high heel on my head. He'll be wearing his boot, of course. So, do you remember vermin supreme that guys fucking the most? Oh, absolutely. He's the best. But, so, I just... Go ahead.

I don't know. I was going to say, I just... Somebody tweeted, I think it was karaoke O'Donnell on Twitter tweeted Like if this is the what we're doing tonight just let Mary and Williamson smoke on stage Elizabeth Warren's sit at a desk let Bernie Sanders have a megaphone like if we're just gonna do a full-on cartoon Character show if that's what people want Let's do it. Let's get a cartoon right.

Maybe they were moments of sanity. One thing, I just wanna say, I just wanna like, I just think part of the problem with these debates is, I need to hear Biden, Harris, and Buttigieg, and Booker, and I need to hear like actual people who are viable candidates talk to each other. Honestly, I know why people got upset about this. I know.

It's like asking for a fucking literacy test before people do vote. In actual practice, we probably shouldn't. But wouldn't it be a palate cleanser to have an adult, like a varsity night and then a JV night? Like, what in that just doesn't know? Yes, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Listen, I'm also, I'm like, if the argument is, you know, this is how democracy, first off, debates on cable television

are not a part of like our inherent democracy. Like they are not, they are an entertainment spectacle. They are not, this is not like some kind of prescribed, like, you know, if we're, if we're actually, it would live in a reality right now, I think we know that that Trump has abandoned all norms that we've accepted. And I think we should accept in like,

in that reality, in that framing, we should also go like, maybe some of the things that we take as norms are actually bad, because some of his norms that he's thrown out are really good and we've destroyed some important things about how we like handle ourselves. But like the idea that the debates of any primary are some kind of like holy situation that's like a democratic right is insane. It's a CNN and fucking MSNBC or whoever else having these has decided to do them. But also, we're also more than a year out.

Yes, but also the Democrats need to, like, what is it? What are you trying to do? Allow for a Trump style candidate? Like you're like, maybe Marion Williamson will just have like, get some juice that Pete Buttigieg or Joe Biden couldn't or Elizabeth Warren couldn't and like he'll become the, you know, you know, or she'll become the front runner. It's like, is that a thing that we're trying to manifest? Because if so, it's really dumb.

If we are trying to manifest that, if the DNC, if there's a faction within the DNC proper that thinks that we need some of that fucking flash of bang whiz-bow music man shit. Why not work with your candidates who are intelligent and frontrunners already and say, hey, we need a little more razzle dazzle. We need a little more showmanship. And then sit with Elizabeth Warren and be like, each candidate is gonna have some time with AOC in the squad to learn how to like fucking be lightning rod. And if that's what we're gonna do, instead of being like, you know, who's got Razzle-Dazzle,

that lady who wants to pray away is. Let's get her on the stage for some two and a half hours. It's like, what are we talking about? And it's like the media, the media is so blind and stupid and desperate that they are literally fall right back into their old patterns of like, you know, how many articles that I read about, Marianne Williams, and her incredible, incredible performance in how she's, you know, a different kind of voice. And by the way, like, we think there's some value in this country. There's this like fake idea that essentially

Republicans have sold, which is like, I'm not part of the system. I'm outside the system. It's like, I don't, it's like, I don't know if Republicans have sold it so much as they have co-opted what has been going on, which is the attention economy, the supporting blind loyalty to small influencers has become a thing where you're like, she's just trying to make a buck. She's just, that girl selling whatever shitty product and she's bad just, you know, like, that girl's selling, you know, whatever shitty product

and she's bad for little girls to look at. But why do you hate on her? It's just her Instagram account. And like, that has spread across society where like, we took, I think I really believe we've taken anti-bullying so far that we are now at the point where like, we have to let everybody talk. And there's no shaming of horrible people

because what if they have a point? And the discourse, freedom of speech speech everybody should be allowed to tweet every tweet should be promoted and it's not there if we don't let Steven Crowder and I just feel like we're in a place society wise and and and Republicans jumped on that and took it as far as they could and that was a bet that they won and we didn't do that because we see the problem long-term going down that road. I mean, they, they, I think the reality of the Republicans is that like what was hidden about the Republicans is now more transparent than ever. And I think that what has worked for them is that we live in a country full of like, you know, legitimate racist or people who are very ignorant. Like, there's a lot of people who are very ignorant about the rest of the country. And it's like to pray on that and to play into it has been very effective for them.

I don't think there's strategies ever been different, but I think now it's just more like it's outward facing and they have like, and maybe it was the right moment for that, straight? I mean, I mean, people got really scared when they had a black president. They were Well, I mean, I mean, people got really scared when they had a black president. They were extremely, I mean, the reality is that like Barack Obama made racist in this country super scared.

Like, you know, it was the moment for them where they realized that their monopoly on power was going to come to an end. And I think that made everybody really freak the fuck out, which is how we end up with Donald Trump. But also, I mean, there's a lot of reasons, but anyhow, the point is, I just think this concept that it's necessary to have this, that there are gonna be people who are like, you're not being fair, I'm sorry,

if you're pulling it like 1%, you know? And you can make the argument, well, Donald Trump was pulling it 1% or whatever, you know? It's like, but not at this point, you won't check it out. Donald Trump is like a one in a billion stuff. If you told me that George Clooney was pulling to 1% right now, I'd be like, yeah, but he should definitely be at the debates, you know?

Like, because George Clooney has like a whole other thing going on, right? Like Mary and Williamson and Steve Bullock are not George Clooney or Donald Trump. But don't you think it's also partially and maybe this is really out of line? And I didn't tweet this even though I thought it both night. I watched the first night live and then the next night

I was out, I saw one time in Hollywood because I was like, I can't do this two nights in a row and I actually wish that I'd still gonna watch the wait because I didn't like that movie. But I watched all the clips and then I thought, and maybe this is out of line, but isn't Donald Trump like the ultimate version of the thesis statement of Republicans,

which is like stupidity, rhetoric, racism, reactionary bullshit, fear, money. Whereas when people are like Mary and Williamson, is she the Trump of the left? No, the Trump of the left is Bernie or Elizabeth because they are the most pure version of what Democrats are always chasing. Republicans were always chasing racism.

They were always chasing a race to the bottom. They were always chasing a worship of money and stupidity and all of that stuff. It feels like what Democrats are always going after is like pragmatic solutions and, you know, like, rethinking the way that we do things, regardless of if it hurts people who are quote unquote, hurts, people who are doing fine because we see these huge scale problems and we feel like we can get really smart people to come up with solutions. We want to do like ambitious, ambitious technological and societal progress.

And the ultimate thesis statement of that is not Marion Williamson doing a fucking yoga retreat with kombucha and fucking essential oils. The ultimate thesis, although that exists on the left, the ultimate thesis of what Democrats are going after is like a wonky, educated person who understands what it's like for the worst among us and wants to fight for them, even if it upsets those in power, and even if it is uncomfortable for

a little while. The comparisons there don't work for me, and I'm sick of seeing the chasing of someone else's ideal. We're never going to convince conservatives to vote for it. So why are we going to get a cartoon character in there or someone who speaks to their centerist evil concerns because there will always be someone way farther to the right for them. You know, I think that people to judge had a great moment where he sort of spoke to this, which is like, you know, he was like, if we do, if we go too far, you know, we go far super far left the Republicans will call us

Crazy Socialists if we go really hard center. They'll call us crazy socialists So he's like why don't we just do the thing that is the right thing to do and it's fucking yeah, it's fucking true It's like and by the way there were a couple of those moments in all these debates like Elizabeth Warren I would say Buttigieg Booker had some of these like moments on the second night Warren certainly had them, home, home, home I blanking on right now. Come on, Har. Yeah, but less so. I mean, like, but like the, I'm just coming up.

Yeah, you're just talking about me. No, no, no, no, but like the thing where Elizabeth Warren was like, you know, it's so weird that all these people want to run to be the nominee and they're like, they say that we can't do anything or whatever her thing was. And it's like, oh, yeah, like, you know, it's so weird that all these people want to run to be the nominee. And they're like, they say that we can't do anything or whatever her thing was. And it's like, oh, yeah, like you're kind of, oh, Bernie, with the thing with the ad stuff, like, oh, the, you know, insurance companies are advertising here and also, you know, this question is probably talking point. We're like, we seem to cut through this iri, this unreality that has been projected. There is a thing people like about AOC,

she talks like a normal person, and she says what the thing is. Doesn't talk like in PR, speak around the game. She doesn't say like, there are many concerns on the table between business and personal, and we have to find a way. She goes, healthcare companies waste a ton of money

paying themselves, and if we cut them out, you will end up paying less money for the same product and it is insane to and you know who had a good moment with this was Chris Matthews talking with Elizabeth Warren after the debate over and over again he's like well will people's taxes go off and she's like trying to tell him the amount of money total you will spend will go down you'll call it a tax rather than an insurance payment but it it will go down significantly, because logically, we won't have to pay a bunch of insurance companies to do nothing.

It's just like, listen, I mean, just like hearing, hearing, just talking words. You know, hearing a fucking this guy, Jake Tapper, who is, I mean, they literally, I mean, it's CNN, by the way, Foxy and N, I mean, seriously, fuck it so hard, it sucks so bad.

Oh, I'd be right, just a cluster of fuck. And everything they're hearing to set up for the rating for the line. They're hearing him ask over and over again, this Republican fucking talking point. And I was sitting at the whole time going like, how are they actually responding to this question without calling out the question itself?

And like when Bernie said I was like, god damn, I'm so fucking pleased that there's a human being on stage who's willing to fucking say in reality what is going on. And I think like the problem with all of this stuff is like, like we need people to speak like about reality in a way that humans speak. And the more that the, the more that the democratic candidates do that, the more they embrace like being human beings.

And by the way, I think a big problem with Hillary is that her campaign was so lofty and so vague and so like up in this kind of like ether of politics, you know, that like there were people who were who may have been swayed. Like what did stronger together? Right. It didn't mean anything. And like the fact is like the people who might have been swayed who may have disliked Hillary Clinton, but could have been swayed because who might have disliked Hillary Clinton, but could have been swayed because she actually had a lot of good, solid policies that were real. And was sane.

Like it was just lost because she was never real, very like people like couldn't find like the realness there. And that is like a democratic problem. I mean, it's a problem for politicians generally, but like it is a problem with the Democrats where we are still having these conversations where instead of answering the question from Jake Tapper as if Jake Tapper is like the foremost fucking expert on healthcare. The right response is to say Jake Tapper, what the fuck are you talking about, right?

Like the right response is to say the shit you're the right response is to ask who wrote this question and right exactly what is the goal of the person who wrote this question around a Republican talking point? And frankly, someone on stage should have taken what Bernie did. It maybe it should have been Bernie and gone a step farther and say, why are you asking it this way?

What is your goal here? Because you're not pushing sanity forward. You're not getting to the core of this issue. The questions you are asking right now are just meant to be 30-second fights so that we will fight like real housewives at a reunion and not like like deductive for the discussion. They literally gave them 30, right, 30 seconds to answer a question. It was insane. I like didn't hear a single can of the answer an entire question because like as they started their answer, they were like, I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to cut you off.

But isn't this a little bit like Twitter and social media's fault where we're like, now we talk in these ways that are just like, pithy 280 character sentences and clapbacks? And like, maybe public policy isn't best debated in the Twitter form. I mean, this is exactly my point. All right, let's stop talking about this,

because ultimately it's a very more and topic that I hate. And I'm mad that we talked about it for so long and hopefully you'll find some room in there to cut that out because cut some of that bullshit out because I can't stand talking about this particular topic. I'm like, there's going to be a wittling down. We're going to find ourselves with a handful of extremely qualified, smart people who should be the next president, any one of them. And you know, again, I want to stress this, like, if it's, I mean, I don't really, like,

I think Biden's performance have been particularly poor in these debates. I mean, I do not, I was never, I'm not like a Biden stand by any measure. I was kind of like Biden will be fine. I'm like less convinced Biden will be fine based on his performance in these debates, which I think is a good thing. But in terms of then go to Joe 8653 on yeah, whatever the fuck I when I look at people Nallie Harris Warren Buttigieg Sanders Booker Castro I'm in a handful of people there and I go this person would be on fucking amazing president

You know and like I feel fine and comfortable with them and I don't worry. I would rather Jay Inslee at this point. I mean, yeah, I mean, let's not, I mean, let's not get crazy, but fine. Yes, I'd rather any of them. I mean, look to be honest with you, I'm sorry. Maryam Williamson is a fucking idiot in my opinion. Her ideas are insane and some of them are like frankly dangerous. She is less stupid and crazy than Donald Trump, that's my opinion.

That's like my, it's not. I mean, it's true. In my official opinion, she, like a person who can speak even remotely, intelligently on reparations is smarter and better than Donald Trump. Like, I'm openly mentally ill and I would be a more stable, I would say.

That's what I'm saying. Like, it's just like, we doesn't take a lot. We just need somebody better than the person we have now because we're really, we're really in kind of a, we're all gonna die. We're in a bad place. Like, we're all going to die. This is like, if we don't do,

this is the darkest timeline. Now, how do we get out of it? I think we all wanna know. I think we're all curious. And now, let's talk about something else because I'm getting bummed out. But anyhow, vote, vote, just vote. That's all I want people to do.

I want them to vote. I skipped the second debate because I'm getting bummed out. But anyhow, vote, vote, just vote. That's all I want people to do. I want them to vote. I skipped the second debate because I, the first night really darked me out and I started vaping halfway through and it only made things worse and I didn't really see a way out. So I was like, all right, I'll watch the clips later and I'll catch some of the like,

sweet highlights, but I can't do this for two and a half hours sustained. So I went and saw one spend time in Hollywood with my friend, Rachel Lichtman, who is this amazing artist and director who she's one of the people who doesn't, she's like a historian for the cultural artifacts and landscape of the 20th century,

but she doesn't fetishize it, which is a really important, I think, distinction. So, when we saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, it was kind of the perfect person to see it with because she's been doing this program called Network 77, which you can find online, which is a like a super 70s hyper tongue in cheek, but also very realistic recreation of the an hour of 70s TV every episode. And we saw it together and I didn't read any of the reviews and I didn't look at the Twitter commentary. I just muted the keywords because I was like, I love Tarantino.

There are Jackie Brown, both killbills, like they're masterpieces and I, I, I, under, I can hear critiques about them, but they were a genius level, galaxy brain, amazing works of art. So I was like, let me go into this fresh. I didn't love it. I really didn't enjoy it. There were parts of that movie that I liked. Their Brad Pitt is phenomenal in that movie, and I've never been like a fan of his acting particularly.

But there's whole chunks of that movie that I just feel like they feed into the worst of what we were just talking about, like we're our worst cultural instincts. And I don't know, I walked away, really disappointed. And there's a lot of stunt casting going on within the movie, like Margot Robbie, a Sharon tape, doesn't really work. And Lena Dunham shows up at one point. There's a whole thing with Bruce Lee that makes no sense and is vaguely racist, but not even in Tarantino's usual like, I'm consciously being racist as a way to comment on racism thing.

Do you know what I mean? And then at the end, there's a twist that just no spoiler way and it still doesn't work. No spoilers Ryan. And I just think, I mean, I think everybody knows at this point that this is part of his revenge fantasy series. And to treat what happened in the Tate La Bianca murders on the same level as what happened in Nazi Germany, like with the same filmmaking style and reaction,

were the same level of what happened during the American anti-bellum or the American slavery period is really weird and feels unirred. And the whole movie I just didn't really care for and I was so disappointed. And I walked away thinking like how much time and money and energy was spent on bringing this vision to life when, and it feels like he is an artist is like calcified, when there are so many people who have exciting things to make or stories to tell that won't like ever get that chance. And maybe I'm just talking like about a very specific movie by a very specific filmmaker that was going to get made. But it just felt to me like, oh, this is what's wrong with Hollywood at the moment is that we're so busy doing like reboots and letting people who've done good work do whatever they want, whether or not, like they have good ideas, that we don't like, there's nothing new.

And I think I'm getting like fed up with like, stranger things, three existing rather than something new. You know what I mean? Well, I think I'm just done. Well, you know, new is really hard and we are in an age of like constant referencing. I mean, we now believe that culture is referencing. We believe that culture is Funko pops. There were moments in that film where we see women's feet

and it is supposed to be his signature move, but it just felt like a, like a he knew that we knew that he knew he wanted feet in the movie, so he was gonna do it and wink at the camera and break the fourth wall. And it's like just release a Funko pop with its bare feet out and just call out the Tarantino Funko Pop.

If that's what you wanna do, why did this movie get, it just, I feel like we exist in a time of just like repulsive. I haven't seen it, but what I know is true is that, what we think of as culture is often like a recycled version of some other culture. And, but at least it felt like, didn't it feel like Madonna was referencing fucking Marilyn Monroe? Yeah, she was, but, but, but it didn't feel like fucking spark notes.

Right, right. No, no, no, that's right. I mean, I just, you know, it's, look, it is a, it is a, I mean, there's a, there's somebody wrote on this, a really good smart theory, and I wish I could think of who it is now, about how like sort of like, you know, we stop creating new culture, you know, about 20 years ago now, maybe even longer. And, and what we're doing now is recycling old culture, and, you know, sort of like the remix is now considered like the way that we, you now is recycling old culture and sort of like the remix is now considered

like the way that we create new culture. But it is like there's a fatiguing quality to that that there were things like Bauhaus, not the band, but the school of design. It was like radical, like a radical new idea. There are things that, like brutal, there are things in, you don't have to like it, but it was purposefully new. It's in fashion that up to a point where like radically new concepts about like how

people should dress and present themselves, you know, but like increasingly what we've done is, is we become like so nostalgic and nostalgia has become so easy. You remember, it was, it was never, it's had never been before in history, this easy to look back at something. This is the first generation of people who at any moment at any time,

wherever they are, can look immediately back to a specific thing, a specific point in time, a specific era and say like, this is what it was, right? Like, if you wanted to know things about, if you were a young person in the 1970s, and you wanted to know what the 1920s were like, you didn't have, there was no easily accessible place to discover what that was like, you know, and yes, this creates new things and new remixes and new riffs, but it also means that we're reflexively and constantly looking at something previous to chart what we're

trying to do now. And I think that there's so few pockets where originality and true like new culture happens that it's sort of like, you know, it becomes fatiguing to an audience. Everything just feels reverse engineered for likes or reverse engineered for public consumption and the amassing of money. Of course. I mean, look at the, I mean, look at, stranger things, stranger things are great, is a great example. I mean, you can't tell me for a second that there is not some big data at play

as they think about what looks to use, what songs to use, how to tap into people who were raised in the 80s, or are no the 80s as kids now need to feel this kinship to this brand. And by the way, I like Stranger Things and I enjoyed it. But it is a little bit of a cartoonish looking backwards.

It is like, this is so on the nose and so unabashedly playing into this desire for nostalgia. But it's also the thing of just being like, I liked this, I'm going to copy this, I made this, I own this, I'm original. Like the stranger things guys took a lot from ET and it. Do you know what I mean? And like now it's like, well that's stranger things. And anybody who tries to take something from ET or it, even the it remake was just called the stranger things copy,

even though it was the original. And I just feel like Tarantino pulls some references from the 60s that haven't been co-opted yet. And now he's like, now he owns them and they're canonized because of him. And it bothers me because like Paul Revere and the Raiders, he doesn't own that. And now anybody who uses that or like, or like anybody who makes a reference to that, it's going to be a Tarantino homage. And it's so lazy, it's a retweet, it's not a movie. To be fair and I haven't seen it, but to be fair,

I mean Tarantino sort of invented the new age of cinema where looking back and looking back at things that frankly were obscure and difficult to see was a thing. I mean, prior to stuff like Pulp Fiction, movies weren't made like Pulp Fiction before Pulp Fiction. I mean, it is a seminal like film. I mean, it changed film making.

Oh, totally. But it feels like he's been doing that same. Well, he certainly has, but I think he said pockets of total genius. Like, I think in glorious bastards is like hilarious cartoon. No, it's like, you know, it's like, he found a way to do something with like Nazi Germany that's

like so cartoonish and exaggerated and absurd that it's like this kind of weird, you know, pleasure, which worked really well. You know, I think to some extent, the kill bill movies were similar, though I think, I think if we, I haven't seen them in a while, I'm guessing if I look at them now, I'm gonna be like, yeah, there's a lot of stuff in here that the stunt casting in the kill bill movies, for example, felt cool because it was someone you know doing something you'd never seen but also existed

and that maybe you should have known. And so it was like, there was a theory working behind how it was casted and what he chose those actors to do. What's about a time in Hollywood is about famous people and then he stunt casted and what he chose those actors to do. Once upon a time at Hollywood, it was about famous people and then he stunt-casted famous people to play those famous people. And it just, it feels like it would have been so much more effective with like a cast of unknowns.

Because then it would have been like all the things you already know are there and then there's a fresh element to it. Whereas this just felt like a pile of stuff I already knew and references to Tarantino's original things, but which we've already seen and are no longer original if you do them again. And I just feel like we're in an era of like, instead of sampling a little riff from a song that most people don't know and making your own song out of it and being like Kanye, we're just like a pile of like, you know, R-E-S-P-E-C-T, we are family, lady, mom and dad.

And it's like, that's not an original song. No, it's, it's, it's, you know, you do become like, you do become like, it's one of these things, and this kind of happened, I feel like, in the early 2000s as well, and maybe I just sort of noticed it. Like, people would start, their conversations would become like sound bites. They were like

They would start talking and it was almost like like if you were speaking to Austin powers You know like people would start saying things that were just like familiar phrases Not just like things that get into like the you know Not just things that like worked their way into our language But I felt like people started talking in a way that sounded like they were sampling other bits of conversation and sampling other things that people say. It's like using a script. I mean, it's like how people talk in corporations. You know, like let's put a pin in it or

or You know talking about shit like action items or whatever. I mean, it's just you become like you start to sample other people's conversation and that's true. Thinner. That's natural. Yes, synergy. But I think I feel like it's started happening in like casual conversations in a way.

And yeah, the long and short of it is like, this sort of lifestyle is fatiguing. It is fatiguing to constantly look back and to check your references. And it is fatiguing to constantly present it with new culture that requires you to understand old culture. Actually, I could dovetail this into a little bit

about the hit New Hills series, which I, you know, as, of course, everybody knows, we've been watching. And, and their, the hills, the New Hills reality show is a really interesting example of like a show that I think believes that its audience will be Googling or Wikipediaing like the stories that are being discussed on the show and therefore they don't actually have to fill in the blanks.

So like, people have conversations about things that never happen on the show, that never happen in the span of when they were doing the show. That it's not like earned within it, sort of like how a one-time highman Hollywood, if you don't know every detail of the man's and family, you would not understand the twist or what is happening. It's like, there are conversations happening in that show where it feels like I need to have done some kind of like pop culture homework to grasp the thing, but like the show assumes that of course I've done it. And so you end up with these like completely nonsensical conversations.

Where people are like, oh my god, the thing that happened with my family, I just can't handle it and then somebody's like, wow, it's so hard, you know, you've been through so much and they're like, I know and I'm just scared because I don't know what's gonna happen next and I'm like, literally what the fuck are you talking about? Like what is the actual topic of conversation right now?

You seem to know and you seem to think I know, but I don't fucking know. And I do think that's like a product of this environment that we live in now where it's like, where it's like everything's available all the time. And so we start to kind of like take for granted, one that like not everybody actually knows everything and two that like this is the normal flow of discourse,

that it is normal to be referential in our discourse rather than like present. And I think that's like, I mean, yeah, it is getting to the pointential in our discourse rather than like present. And I think that's like, I mean, yeah, it is getting to the point where you watch any of the bravo shows. And if you haven't also seen the watch, what happens live clip that went viral and a social media post from here and someone's obscure tweet that was problematic and got retweeted and talked about on the bravo recap podcast that eventually you would not understand what's happening on the show. And it's like, nothing exists within itself.

It all exists. I was actually tweeting about this last night, which is kids today grow up having consumed no media, no ideas, no new information without a comment section. Or like an audience watching them watch it, or knowing that their reaction could at any point come to a universal. We talked about this last week, it's like what's internal?

It's like if the, if the front facing is on Instagram and the blooper rails are on YouTube, you know, what is the internal dialogue? The internal dialogue is like rehearsal, basically. Like before you can reflect on the handmaid's tale, there's a segment that auto plays on Hulu talking about behind what the making of the handmaid's tale and what the writers were thinking.

You don't wait for the DVD commentary and having formed your own opinion. You just straight up are given the making of the handmade style and what the writers were thinking. You don't wait for the DVD commentary and having formed your own opinion. You just straight up are given the opinions of the filmmaker. Right. No, it's weird. And it's tiring. And I feel like I can't keep up.

And I can't appreciate everything. And I feel also feel like every social media platform and every article and every blog demands that I have seen every piece of media and its associated content as it comes out. And it's not like healthy for my brain or like my understanding of like art. Yeah, it's it's anyhow we're in a very dangerous time. It's why we need to destroy the internet as I've been saying for many years. Well speaking of completely original ideas, Lil'Noss Act is now the number one,

has the record for the most weeks at number one of any artist on the Billboard Hot Awards. Well, you know, I was thinking about that actually. Like, I was thinking about Lil'Noss Act in the context of this and actually Lil'Noss Act is like doing exactly what we're talking about, which is like, it's like meme culture, it's remix culture, it's like, you know, he's referencing stuff, you know, he's referencing stuff that is frankly like nostalgic and also like, I mean, I will say to his credit, he's made a, he made a joke song into a hit and, you know, that's like very weird out. A bit more triant, more weird all of them.

Well, I mean yeah, sure. A bit more. I'm not saying I mean, things are passing on all that entirely right now. I mean when I hear the song, it's impossible not to hear a person who's like very haphazardly and without any real sense of giving a shit doing like a quote unquote like country song that's like,

he's kind of making fun of country music. And like, yeah, the debate about, and the, I mean, the Billy Ray verse is making fun of hip-hop. Right, cold, true. The debate, the totally a reaction. The debate about whether it's like country and then like if it's a breakthrough or whatever,

it's like, it's like saying like, you know, like it's, was Weird Out Yankovic like rock music or whatever, like when Weird Out Yankovic got like a number one hit or whatever he got by doing like a joke cover of Nirvana, it's like, it's weird how doing like rock music. It's like, it doesn't really matter because this isn't it. Or saying is scary movie or even scream itself a horror movie or is it a meta commentary on slasher films from the eighties? Well, it is, it is actually both in which is why, which is why, in fact, actually a good example of a way to do nostalgia,

a way to take the past and turn it into something actually wholly new with a self-awareness of the past and a reference to the past. It's really interesting. I mean, that movie, Scream, is a great example of a movie that is like acknowledges literally the creator's past work. And then somehow subsumes it inside of something totally new while referencing it.

I mean, it's kind of brilliant. And he started doing that with New Nightmare, Wes Craven. But scary movie is none of the, scary movie is like, it's the Weird Eye Yankovic version in some ways of that movie, which is like, what if this was completely a joke, instead of just like a subtle wink inside of something

that's real, right? But the way that we're grappling with that at this point, I think, is either celebrating a pile of references and calling it genius because this curator understood to pull all of these things without changing them and putting them in a pile, like a Pinterest board, or we either celebrate that and call that person a genius, or we sue Katie Perry because there's a random, I mean, this happened this week. She was found guilty for plagiarizing a song that I don't think she'd ever heard. That sounds nothing like her song.

And it was like a random Christian rap song that kind of sounded a little bit like dark horse, but truly they were not similar. And she was found guilty of stealing from that person and had to pay damages. And there's a lot of shit I could tell you. I don't like about Katy Perry. And I'm astonished that her hair is still that hair. Oh my god. What the biggest career mistake she made. I'm sorry. The biggest career.

Missing she made overestimated her ability to change her hair. That hair cut hadn't happened. Who knows where we'd be right now. But to sue her over that and find damages, it's like, okay, wait. So that's find damages. It's like, okay, wait, so that's too far, but if she straight up jacked a bunch of stuff, it wouldn't have been, I don't know where we lie at the moment where it comes to originality, where the public consciousness,

like what is okay and what isn't okay with this stuff? And I don't know, I'm just exhausted by it. I also think like at a certain point, like we're, I feel like we're calcifying as a culture. Like this all feels to me very end of an empire. And I mean, I was saying to a friend months ago, like, God, do you think this country will turn it around? And he looked at me and just,

and this is a friend who's pretty much a normie who doesn't engage with like media Twitter and doesn't keep up with politics day to day. He like laughed out loud in my face and was like, this are societies like over. much enormy who doesn't engage with media, Twitter, and it doesn't keep up with politics day to day. He laughed out loud in my face and was like, this, our society is over. We're just repeating the hits. And the worst part, and I was like, you're right. It feels like this is the end.

It absolutely is like, we're at a crossroads here. The reality is we've accepted stagnation for so long that it's become the norm, it's become like what we are. And actually I think like Trump's a good example of like, and even to some extent, and I think Obama was a good president. I think he had some problems, but I think overall he was a truly excellent president for a country which is truly fucked up in many ways right now.

But the Trump is a really good example of our inability to go forward of this crossroads. And by the way, I do think America very much does speak to what's happening America, speaks to what's happening in America, speak to what's happening in the rest of the world, and that's not completely accidental. You know, I think we are in a place where there's a question of like, where are we going at this point?

You know, are we going anywhere, are we going anywhere good or decent, you know? And are we going forward? And as empty as that sort of actually sounds, there is a there is a there is a quality to it that is important to answer, which is like, what you know, what what does the future hold for us? Are we going to, are we going to, you know, are we going to, we're going to do something new or not? Are we going to do new stuff or are we going to just stream friends forever? Right. I mean, the fact that there's, that people are even watching friends in a, in a real way, like they're talking about it is sort of insane. But like, but that's what made

me so sad about like the end of Vine, because you can say a lot of shit about how it was six seconds and people's attention or whatever. But frankly, it created lots of new cultural moments untied to any other cultural moments. Catchphrase is funny things like ideas. Shit was just pouring out of that place. And now we have TikTok, which is just like people mostly lip syncing or doing a funny spin on a hit song. And it's just so weird and depressing and like, it just feels like new things aren't. We hunger for them, but we're they're not monetized.

Like they're not the system itself does not encourage you to do anything new. Right. I guess that what we're what the thesis of what we've been coming at for 45 minutes here. Yeah. I mean, essentially, we are, yeah, we're in a, I mean, this is why the content industry exists in the state that it exists in, you know, I mean, it is why, for everything that exists, there are a thousand of them, you know, it is why, like, it is why a thing that happens must be so thoroughly discussed and investigated and interrogated and made into content that there is nothing left at the end of it, that there is nothing that you want at the end of it, you know.

We're using every part of the, every part of the bull or whatever, or every part of the animal. But the, but from the past to death, it's also now. It's also now. I mean, it is also the discourse on just having a conversation with somebody about news and the post debate cycle of news. And you're like, I can't,

if whatever I want from this, I can get. It's readily available to me. It's there all the time. It's accessible. It's credible depending on who you are and and so in so even a way I want nothing from it. I can I actually can't tolerate anything from it. I couldn't stand to look at Up story about it or listen to the pundits talk about it or even think about it and it's like that's because It's because like you essentially, it's like we've talked everything to death.

You know, there is no, there is no like room for my brain to form a thought now because everyone has taken an opportunity to form their own thought and I have a thousand versions of ideas about what happened last night and what happened 10 minutes ago, you know. But even doing this podcast, maybe that's what we're doing.

But also, I want to point out that the reason I like doing this podcast is that it's it's an hour every week that the two of us cut all of the everybody else talking out. And there's no like sharing for the most part. We're not like, did you see this? Look at this YouTube video. Hey, did you see what someone said in Slack? And oh, that's a reference to, we just sit for this hour and we like talk

about how we felt being bombarded by this shit all week. And I feel like maybe everyone should do this. You know what I mean? Like maybe everyone should take an hour on a porch somewhere and a tape recorder and just be like, what is going on? And form their own fucking idea and then move forward with that idea

rather than throwing it out immediately and replacing it with the next viral take from the Atlanta. Yeah, no, it's not. It's not, all of it, everything, I mean, I said this for a long time, but everything dies. Some, at some point in the near future, all of the things that people want now

will be things that don't want. And we really do kind of need to start thinking about what we do want and like what existence means. You know, it's not great stat. There's this thing that's been going around and it's about Twitter. And it's something like 80% of the content on Twitter is produced by 10% of the users.

And only 22% of all Americans have a Twitter account. And when you think about those numbers, and I know there's like, oh, it's like the very important people are talking, but actually it's like, I would venture to guess a vast majority of that 10% of content is generated by, sorry, a vast majority of that 80% of content from that 10% of users is actually generated by people who are not, who do not have the authority or like level of intelligence or education of intelligence or education or understanding to be an important voice, they just have a fucking following.

There's specific people I'm thinking of right now. Me too. You comment on every thing. We've confused followings for influence. We've confused followings for influence. We've confused followings for credibility. We've confused followings and like counts and, you know, what you're, you know, the ratio for like the quality of your, what you actually have to say.

And, and so we have, we actually have like a gigantic chamber, echo chamber that the people who make a lot of the content stare at constantly. For like the people who are making the content for like the world, you know, so many, I saw some of the other day and they were like so many explain to me why 13 reasons why is still is still a thing. And, you know, because it's on season three. And I guess like there's a lot of controversy about the show because it's like kind

of weirdly like pro suicide or sort of like, well, I mean Netflix recently was like, we're pulling smoking out of our shows because we don't want kids to see that and think smoking is normalized. But they have a show that's literally all about how cool suicide is, but they don't pull that in up. But right, and somebody was like, how is this still a thing? And it's like, well, I'll tell you how it's still a thing.

The vast majority of people who watch it aren't fucking on Twitter. They're not part of the discourse and they're not thinking about, it's like impacts on people who watch it aren't fucking on Twitter. They're not part of the discourse, and they're not thinking about, it's like impacts on people who have suicidal ideation. And what they're thinking is like, this show's fun, and it's on Netflix. Yeah, there's something I haven't seen a show about,

but there's just like this show has like, handsome people in it, and I like the story, which is like reality. Most people aren't walking around going like, most people, unfortunately. Most people aren't walking around going like, most people, unfortunately, most people are not walking around going like, what are we gonna do about the crisis at the border? You know, what are we gonna do about the concentration camps?

The vast majority of people are walking around going like, like, what am I gonna have for dinner tonight? What is, like, do I have, do I have insurance to take care of my family? Like, I'm not saying like, we have to like, dumb shit down, but we do need to recognize that what, a lot, that it's our job to talk to them about the things that they are concerned about

and about from their perspective culturally and the context within their days and how they're working and not yell at them, guess what we're all talking about on Twitter, but it's like, I know a lot of people who have PCs, I know a lot of people in jobs that people like Mac, fanboys would like, you know, look down on who use PCs. And the Mac people would be like, why are they, God, why are they using that fucking shitty PC?

And the reality is like, the rest of the people are like, I need this to get a job done. Which is like, I mean, I'm gonna bring it back a little bit to like, you know. This isn't a religious thing for me. I'm literally just using tools. Right. And that's like in like in life. Like, and by the way, I feel like as a person who's had a kid, I've actually gotten a much better appreciation for frankly what matters and what doesn't and what like reality is versus like the reality or sorry, unreality. I've

used this word incorrectly twice now. The unreality of like what the internet and our like own like desire to be seen and liked presents. And like it's a pretty big fucking delta between those things. It's a pretty big cause. But I mean, not to be all coastal elites, but there are times like especially in our new office environment, we work with a lot of fashion forward people and they always look stunning and chic and cool and I love it.

But sometimes I'm like, God, I'm a dumpy like mass. I just fucking wear my shitty standup, clothes with a stain on it because frankly, I'm just covering my body in a way that keeps the proportions from looking as weird as they are and then I leave. And I don't really think, I genuinely wish I had the time and money and energy, frankly, to get back into fashion and have cool looks and the experiment and get other people's reaction to what I'm wearing. But mostly I just buy meme t-shirts because I think they're funny and they fit me normally

and I just get through my day because fashion is just for me at this point just a utility. And I feel that so acutely in New York. And then when I'm in other places, I'm like, oh, everybody looks like me here. In fact, I stick out because I buy funny t-shirts as opposed to just whatever they were selling at Walmart or wherever, whatever I could get at H&M. And it's that gulf of like,

I don't put a ton of value because I just frankly don't have the time. Right now, my career's pretty busy. I don't have the time to go to rarious stores on the weekend and drop seven, $700 or the money to then, to look a certain way and it's not my value. It's not what I'm putting my energy into. And it's that, but it's across all of culture.

And sometimes I just think we get to the point where my brother and I were talking about Marvel movies and he was talking about how he wants Tony Stark back. And I go, but that's the end of his cycle. That was his story. It was told and it's time for a new wave of stories and a new vision and he was like, but I just like Tony Stark. Yeah. And I was like, you know what? You're right. He likes Robert Downey Jr. He likes the gadgets. He's been spending time with this guy for a long time and he wants it back. And I get it. You know what I mean? Sometimes it's like, I get it. Totally, man.

All right, anyhow, let's move on. Do we have anything else to, I don't even know where to hang about this point. I'm in like a fugue state. I'm like, so down the rabbit hole. I prefer this. I would rather be in a fugue state. All right, other stuff going on.

Can you tell me what's going on with this vaporizing trash thing that you're trying to do? Oh, yeah, I don't, I mean, I just saw this story. I think it's fucking awesome. It's basically like this, this startup, this is the kind of startups like I, like this is what we need.

We need these, like this is like, when people were excited about Elon Musk it was because of stuff like this. There's a startup and they've created this furnace that heats garbage to 4,000 degrees, which apparently is very hot. It's like, like double volcano or something. And it's really hot.

And it turns, it just basically vaporizes like all the garbage into fuel. And it captures the fuel. And it's more energy efficient than like traditional like incinerators. And there's no, essentially no emissions. Because it's like recaptured to be used as fuel. And so it's doing like fossilured to be used as fuel.

So it's doing fossil fuel stuff over the long term in a really shorter time. Yeah, basically. I mean, I don't look, I wasn't in the guts of the... Yeah, I'm not asking you to be... I don't know the science. I'm not exactly what I would just, I'm not what you would describe as a professional scientist. But it just seems like a really radical

and interesting new idea. Like we have a lot of garbage, we produce an enormous amount of garbage. I think about this all the time. I mean, we sort our garbage here. Every day I feel like I put out a bag of garbage and it's starting to get to me that like, there is so much waste that I create.

Yeah. And I don't know what to do about it. Living in like an urban center, I don't know how to change my habits. You know, we were in Shelter Island, which is an island near Sag Harbor and also Greenport. And it's great, but Shelter Island is the best. But don't go there because I don't want it to become popular and it's hard to get to and anyhow. But we were there for a vacation and there they actually sort because it's such a tiny town.

There's only like 1900 people that live there year round. And they like have crazy sorting and you have to like go sort it, you have to go sort it, you have to go to the town dump and sort it by hand. Like you have to take the cans and put them in one place and you take like egg cartons and put those in another place and like super specific and it got me thinking a lot about,

you know, how little I know what happens to, like I've got a box full of recycling, quote unquote recycling that gets taken and then like I have no fucking idea what happens to it, you know, but anyhow, so like we produce a lot of garbage garbage is a huge problem. Fuel production is a huge problem, you know, in this like what where we get fuel from. And so it's an exciting technology. It's a big idea. It's like, could we do something better with all of this waste that we're producing? And so it like, so it, it, it, it incinerates everything into fuel. And if there are metals, it like sorts the met, like if it melts down the metals and those

are like deposited in like somehow in like separate areas, I guess it has some way of like, it's probably like, wait, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's wait, something like that. But it's kind of an amazing idea. And I'm looking for the article now and I can't find it. Oh, here it is. It's called Sierra energy. The technology called fast OX or fast OX uses a modified blast furnace the same basic equipment Typically used to make steel by injecting pure oxygen into the furnace. The new process starts a chemical reaction with carbon in the waste

Heating up the furnace. It doesn't require external energy hearts as it's just a chemical reaction of carbon and oxygen The process also adds steam to regulate the temperature, which sustains itself as the system keeps feeding in more trash, any metal inside the garbage melts and can later be reused. While other trash would create methane as a rotten land filled, the extreme heat of the process and the steam create only carbon monoxide and hydrogen. Unlike an incinerator, it doesn't produce emissions

as it works. All of the gas is captured for reuse. The gas can be used to create a variety of products from jet fuel to plastic or fertilizer instead of making those products from fossil fuels. If the gas is used to make fuel, that fuel will still produce emissions but fewer than the fossil alternative. The company's diesel, heart says, which I guess is the CEO, is 20 times cleaner than the California fuel standard.

So that's fucking crazy. So they can create diesel fuel from this process that's 20 times cleaner than the California standard, which is super fucking like extreme. That's amazing. But it's like this stuff and the carbon capture stuff that I guess maybe money is the thing that's standing in the way and it's like,

let's just, we have money as a society. Well, we don't have this time. Let's just throw all the money we have in it and buy some of ourselves some time. We can make more money. The big issue is change, is changing the way these industries work. You know, their difficulty now is going to be

how do you get all of these dumps to go like, oh, we'll do this instead of the other thing because it's going to be expensive, you know, and that's like that is the thing that really makes it challenging. Candidates to change the current incentive. That's really what this is exactly. All right, let's do nice things. Let's do nice things. Do we miss any important topics for the week?

I don't think so. Jeffrey Epstein's DNA is for. Now I'm just so bummed, I don't think so. Jeffrey Epstein's DNA part. I don't even know. No, I'm just so bummed. I don't even want to talk about that. Apple's products and game consoles are all gonna be super expensive because Beijing has responded to Trump. Oh, I mean, the coming tariff shit is like no one,

I mean, the economic downturn that Trump is going to induce if he keeps on this has to be so fucking insane. And that'll be it for him because the only thing he has to stand on is that the economy hasn't collapsed. It's like it's been doing well apparently, which nobody understands. Yeah, because of all the work I'm at it. We're on borrowed time.

I agree. I agree. All right, let's do nice things. Go ahead. Nice things. OK, I'll go first, because I always do. Just another quick plug. My new podcast, The Lost Episode, has made it into almost every store,

except if anything Spotify takes longer. Almost every store, every podcast store. So if you wanna go find that, it's The Lost Episode by Ryan Hula-Han. I have a new episode up that's about freaks and geeks. And it's, I cried listening to it, and that's me being humble. My guest was so fucking funny.

And the episode was so good. So go check that out. That's a nice thing. I went and saw the Beetlejuice musical with my family. My parents wanted to spend a day in the city and gave me no notice. They told me right after my karaoke birthday had wrapped and I had the first hangover I had in years that they wanted to come a day in the city and gave me no notice. They told me right after my karaoke birthday had wrapped and I had the first hangover I had in years,

but they wanted to come into the city and I said, do you have a plan? They were like, yeah. And I was like, okay. So I met them in Times Square and they had no plan. So we just basically walked around Times Square up and down for hours before we saw this play. And we ended up in Times Square eating cheesecake

on a hot day. All this topless woman was next to my brother, 17 year old girlfriend and everyone was mortified and then the scam artist started screaming at my dad for not engaging with his cigarette-based money scam. And then eventually like, it was just a horrifying New York day. But eventually we ended up at Beetlejuice and Beetlejuice was so good and so funny.

And please, if you're in New York, go see it we ended up at Beetlejuice and Beetlejuice was so good and so funny. And please, if you're in New York, go see it. The tickets are pretty cheap. It needs to run and stay open because it is so good. They took that it is technically like a, like a, it's based on the property that you know and love, but it is so original and it's completely different than the movie. And it really like, I, I don't know how to, I loved it. It felt like something really fresh for Broadway

and I was thrilled. So, GoCe Beetlejuice. And then my last thing was yesterday I was walking around New York looking at real estate for a side project I'm doing. And we were looking at studio spaces and we have a fairly large budget to work with. And it's not obviously my money, but it was so fun to pretend to be rich for a day.

Just go into these insane buildings and like, with a broker and like, and all dressed up and be like, you know, oh, the amenities, they're trying to like, sell me on the place for once. Like, they're not kicking me out. Like, to be a rich New Yorker is to watch like, all the doors open for you. And it was really fun for one day to do that.

At one point, we were walking past Trump Tower and because we were walking confidently, we didn't realize that the Secret Service had thought we were supposed to be there and just let us go towards the tower up close. And then eventually we asked, hey, what's going on here? Why is it all empty?

And they were like, are you supposed to be here? And they finally checked and found out that we weren't and we had to be rushed away from Tom Tower. And it was very funny and it was just weird for ones in my life to be perceived as not street trash who shouldn't be allowed in the bar. It was fun. So if you ever have the opportunity to come from wealth,

do you know? That sounds amazing. I love the sounds of that. And I'm very excited to live that lifestyle, as they say. Is that it for your nice things? I also bought a virtual boy. You have to get back to us some of whether that's a nice thing or not. I downloaded the Witcher 3.

I started playing it. And I have to tell you, I still feel all of the feelings that I felt originally when I played it where I'm like, there's way, like this company put way too much into this and I'm, it makes me kind of worried about Cyberpunk because there's so much in it, it feels so completely overwhelming and daunting and unfund to play sometimes where I'm like, I don't want to have to like equip like each finger of my glove. Like, it'd be fine if you just like, if it's just the gloves, I'm joking.

Like it isn't just, it isn't the fingers. But like, it is kind of like that. You know, the longer this goes on, the less pipe dam for Cyberpunk 2077 and the more stoke dam to play the outer world. So I'm like, and it makes me a little sad because I was so excited about Simon's work. I'm like, I it makes me a little sad because I'm so excited about side of it. I'm not, I have not really see why I might like totally stupid about this

game. Like I don't even know that it exists. It looks so good. You can kill every character at any point. Well, that's like fall out. That's like fall out. Yeah. It looks really good. It just looks really tight and polished and stylized and now they're coming out with a switch version Which means I'm obviously Is it like is it like yes, or well, I mean is this like a totally open world? I'm watching I'm like watching trailer right now I believe so yeah look I mean, I'll of course I'm gonna play all of the games, but And I got the Witcher my whole thing is like places. They have insane sales I keep buying games that like I definitely don't need. Like I got the summer sales, baby. I got the Witcher. I bought all

of the Bioshock games. I bought, what else do I get? Oh, Dead Island, all the dead Island for the Xbox. I don't know. I was like, this would be fun to play again. I've been playing Detroit as you know. You gave me a copy of it. What is the other, I got a bunch of other stuff. A ruiner, which is amazing. Ruiner, like, if you're looking for a cyberpunk game, it's actually really fucking good and fun. It's extremely, like, basic in a way,

but it's really stylish, great music, amazing music. Yeah, anyhow, did you get Blazing Chrome? No, I've got Blazing Chrome, yeah, I did get the new Wolfenstein or Wolfenstein depending on who you talk to, which is like, I kind of didn't realize that it wasn't much of a story-driven game. I mean, it sort of is, but it wants you to play co-op. And, yeah, as you know, I hate to play with other people. And as you know, I hate to play with other people. Outer worlds kind of, sorry, out of, out of worlds kind of looks like... Mass Effect?

No, Mass Effect. Yeah, kind of looks like Mass Effect. To me, it feels like Fallout meets like borderline. It's super Fallout, it's not like. It's super Fallout-like. Like very, is this by the Fallout team? So it's like takes place like in outer space. Superfall outy, like very, is this by the fallout team? So it's like takes place in outer space. Yeah, and it's like, you know, one of those.

It does look future corporate. Graphics aren't very good. So Barbara, space opera. I don't know, I think it looks interesting and more exciting to me at the moment. This maybe just because it's brighter and it feels like more accessible than Cyberpunk. This to me, it really looks like fallout and it also like doesn't look that good, I feel. But I would play this, although it looks like a lot of stuff that I'm not excited

about, to be honest with you. Well, when I get it, I will report back. Anyhow, so my nice thing is that I'm taking up, I'm going back through the catalog and the witcher is part of it and I'm gonna play some games that I haven't played And you know see if I've missed any experiences like I didn't I said I finished it But pray which is an amazing game like I didn't know anything about for like a whole year I was like oh wait, I should play this so like yeah, you know Just check out just you know watch for the watch for the sales is my is my, just check out, just watch for the sales. Is my word to you. Keep your eyes peeled for the sales.

That's my nice thing, it's not very good. All right, well, we did it. All right, well, I guess we're gonna wrap up here. All right, bye. Bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow, and as always, I wish you and your family the very best. So I've just been informed that a startup has discovered a way to vaporize your family

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