Tomorrow - 174: Succession (and Failure)

Episode Date: August 30, 2019

Episode 174 of Tomorrow features Josh and Ryan obsessing over HBO's Succession, the fan campaign to save The OA, and the search for the "gay gene." Unplug your digital assistant, grab a Pizzadilla, and skip the VMAs. You have a podcast to listen to. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Josh Wittipolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss Jilla Brand, the pizza dilla, and watering holes. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. Ryan we're back. It's another week, another week of joy, of freedom. We're so ready to celebrate labor. I love labor day. I love what it stands for. Um, and- What's your favorite?

Yes. And I think we should all celebrate labor. Giving labor, doing labor, the labor movement. Laboratories? Yeah, I don't know if that works. Oh no. By the way, I'm sorry. Megan Trander, did she die? Let me see.

The thing with Twitter, I'm sorry, is anybody else feeling this, like whatever Twitter has done with their trending situation, where they've put the trending topics over on the right? Like, I'm like. What they have at the moment is like for you, then trending, and then all these categories of things

like trends for you. It's trends for you. I don't really get it. Trends for you. Personalized trends based on who you follow, location and who you follow. Okay, just show me trends for the United States. I just want to see trends for the U.S. I'm just going to do United States trends. Okay, good. United States trends. Really different, way different than what I was seeing. Oh, the Meghan Trainor thing is the JZ NFL stuff. Meghan Trainor is just because of, it's customized for me, it thinks I want to care, it thinks I care about Meghan Trainor.

Me too. Yeah, well guess what, I don't fucking care about Meghan Trainor. No. Even if, and I'm not saying that I want her to die, I think Meghan Trainor should live to 150. But if Meghan Trainor died, I wouldn't care. I think Megan Trainor's actually gonna be in her prime during her grandmother years, so that would be great.

But if she were to die, I wouldn't, I mean, I would probably be like, oh no. And then I would move on with my day. I don't mean like, I'm not gonna like celebrate it. I'm just saying like it's, I'm not a Megan Trainor fan. You're not a potty trainer. Is that there, is that how they do it? Is that there what they call themselves? That's like little monsters are trainers Very good very good. Okay, anyhow, it's been a big week a lot of stuff going on a lot of

A lot of a lot of food related stuff a lot of apple Infamy big apple news you do new iPhone They got new iPhones and the old ones are full of holes. Big surprise to be. Yeah, they're doing an event on September 10th, which is... It's got to get right ahead of that anniversary. Yeah, I mean, what are you gonna do? They do it in the early part of September. It's how they do it, you know? They're gonna have phones with three cameras slapped

on the back in a little square lens and they should be faster and otherwise, exactly the same. I think there's gonna be some new camera tack and some new AR tack is what I'm hearing. Mark German has all the details over at bloombird. Bloomberg.com, just dial it up on your browser and let me, you know, Mark German is like,

I don't know if people listening know who he is. You must know who he is if you're listening to this. He's like one of these like teens. He was like a teen who somehow just got like an in at Apple and was like every time, I was just telling somebody about this, like literally every time that they were having an event for like the last several years, Mark German would be like,

oh, here's everything, literally everything that's going to happen tomorrow. Then it was like, to a T. It was like, yep, that's all the stuff. So now, when Mark German writes, he writes for Bloomberg. Now, he's what's he saying? We're going to have some new camera-focused pro iPhones,

new iPads, larger MacBook Pro, which I'm not personally interested in, but I'm sure that some people are. It's right on schedule for my entire family to get new phones. So I guess that'll be like clockwork, but I'm just truly not excited. I don't top of the news that apparently Google found very bad iPhone vulnerabilities, iOS vulnerabilities. Yeah, basically like you would just go to a bunch of websites

and those websites would have poned you. Yeah, well, they, yeah, they, um, they would do a little hello world and take your privacy data. Yeah, um, so, it's unclear what the sites were. Nobody seems to, no, and they're not detailing what the hack was either. So we don't really know.

Yeah, I mean, this is pretty good. Attackers may have grabbed access tokens that can be used along into services like social meeting communication accounts. Reed says the victim iPhone, victim iPhone users would probably have had no indication their devices were infected. That's always fun. Google has a name the website to serve as a water and hole infection mechanism. Thanks or shared other details about the attackers or who their victims were. Good stuff. Um, there is a, there is a, uh, this was patched by Apple, apparently in February. Um, so I don't know, it's still pretty terrifying. I think one of the things that then the other thing that happened with Apple this week, besides they're saying they're going to have new phones, is they said they're, they fired a bunch of people, contractors who they were paying to listen to your Siri, to Siri recordings. Yeah, they were doing what everybody who does digital assistance

stuff is doing, which is present that it just like, it's an AI that understands speech and it's just parsing everything. But in truth, 90% of what you ask for is easy to parse and that last 10% they handed off to, I mean, that's an estimation. They handed off to contractors to listen in and then answer the question in time so that it seems like it's an AI, which is really not great. And they were in Ireland too. So, you know, just think like a bunch of Irish people were listening to everything that was going on They apparently they heard oh no I booked a vacation to Ireland for the holidays And I'm gonna know all don't I've asked about murder don't go to cork as you'll be like an arastron You'll be like yeah, do you guys have you know die co-care and they'll and I know I know you

You did some really fucked up stuff with Siri. No, but here's the thing. Here's what they heard Medical info criminal activity and sexual encounters. Yeah, my watch goes off what I'm having sex all the time so so so Has Google done this? Google everybody's done. No, has Google done it? Has Google done it though because I feel like Google actually has like the technology to do Machine listening and learning that actually works. So I'm curious. I don't know. I even I don't have all of the details on this I know Google is definitely keeping the actual recordings of you talking and you have to physically ask them to stop I oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Google has had contractors listen

So you need to stop sucking on their big giant data deck had contractors listen. So you need to stop sucking on their big giant data deck. Every time you apologize for them, and they're doing the exact same thing. Yeah, they're listening to, fuck this. Well, that's, you know, it's good. We'll go reverse, reverse to it as a language reviewer. And you know what I think, I think you only need one person to be like Danish, pretty good, Spanish A plus, the nice thing is that I, since serious, I considered to be somewhat useless. Oh, utterly garbage. And I, and I no longer have an Android phone

as my main phone, I almost never, almost never use my device in, in like a voice mode. And I don't use, we don't have any echoes here. And we don't have any Google homes. And so it's like, we're pretty clean on that. Here are the ways that I do think it comes up. John asks about the weather every day while he's rushing out the door because he's like, do I need an umbrella?

And so one of our several assistants will tell him if he needs an umbrella. I definitely use it for transcription purposes if I'm typing out a message that's fairly simple but long. So like, I'll know sort of instinctually like, oh, I got to text my mom, so I'll hit the voice button and be like, hi, I am in a meeting or whatever, you know what I mean? And then I'll hit send. It comes up for, I've seen aunts and uncles and my grandparents use it to hear news headlines. Other than that, I don't understand like we as as a nation,

Silicon Valley as an institution has worked tirelessly to get these things in our homes and in our lives. And I don't see people using them with the frequency that we have like other quote unquote big innovations. Like people acted like digital assistants were going to be the next iPhone. And in the way that they acted like VR would be the next iPhone. And I think I've seen people more successfully and we're thoroughly used VR, even if it's a smaller amount of people, than voice assistants.

Like I don't see people like really enjoying that experience at all. Because you can't say to it like, hey Google, I am going to work. But first off, I need to stop at a micals and I have to pick up yarn. So if you could tell me how much that'll cost and map that out, that'd be great. It doesn't do that. I am going to work, but first off, I need to stop at a Michael's and I have to pick up Yarn. So if you could tell me how much that'll cost and map that out, that'd be great. It doesn't do that. It would freak out and be like, you're not, what are you talking about? No, no, no, no, no, no, yeah.

The dream of the, I mean, listen, by the way, someday I'm sure the digital assistance will be unbelievable and they'll just like work perfectly. Yeah, of course. Like digital cameras. It took like 20 years and now they're as good as regular cameras. You will, you will sacrifice your privacy, but hey, you know what, that's the price you pay. You know, I just think, by the way, listen, I've said this a lot. I mean, it's just not that convenient for the most part to talk to your stuff.

It also just comes down to like, even if it did work, rich people will continue to use one intern that they can have murdered because it keeps their private information down to one person. Yeah, that's the right device. We'll have given away everything about our lives and like not to get all dystopian but like if you have the money to get all of that stuff done and keep it private like your tasks and asking questions and blah blah. And I just think it's one of those things that like Facebook, it's going to bite us in the ass, especially the masses, the people who are logging on because it's free, it's gonna end up screwing us in the long run. I don't see how it's useful,

even if it became incredible, I don't know how it's more useful than typing things in, but it is definitely more problematic because it's listening more and it can pull more data from your tone of voice and who is asking and TV shows you're watching. Like, it's a huge hole that tapping on a screen isn't. Do you know what I mean? Yes.

I don't like it. I mean, yet I own all of these things. I still have my connect plug then. Yeah. Wow, really? Yeah. Why? I own all of these things. I still have my connect plug then. Yeah, wow, really? Yeah. Why? I just never unplugged. What are you doing with it?

It's just taking up space. It definitely is. Remember when they were like, connect is fucking crushing it. They were like, we sold like 8 million connects and like one we. Remember when people were lined up in Times Square for the launch of the connect? And they were like, whoa!

People were like screaming. You can find videos of people like losing their minds. And like, nobody ever used it ever. Yeah. No, anyhow, I don't know how we got on the Connect, but well, I blame you, but anyhow, okay, that Apple, you know, listen, I would, here's the Apple. It's like, so, you know, as you know, I just switched to the iPhone. And back to it, obviously I've used the iPhone many times in my life.

Now I guess I have to make the call. Do I want to get a new iPhone? And maybe? I was thinking about this. I definitely do want an Android phone. And I know it's gonna sound stupid, but for two reasons. One is, it does this few specific things way better. And I think that will be nice to have around.

But two, it's like, there's things that the iPhone and iOS don't do that they could easily do. But actually, bother me and remind me that I'm on a closed system maybe device. Which is like, use their mail app as the default mail app. That or like, I want to run a Game Boy emulator. Yeah. A device that's perfectly legal for a device

that I might have legal run backups I might not. But nobody's selling those games and I can't just like run an emulator. And so the two seconds that I'm on the train and I'm like, oh, you know what, I'm gonna pull, oh, I don't have my GPD with me or I don't have my Game Boy with an EverDrive in it with me, so I'm not gonna play that game. Like it's just a reminder that I'm on a baby Fisher price device. It's it's it's it's it's very I don't want to think about an iMessage or my why. No, no, it's it's listen, I mean honestly, uh, now that I'm using the note and the iPhone,

you know, sort of side by side, I'm reminded, I like greatly prefer to use the note if I don't have to use the iPhone. Like, for almost everything, it just, it works better. It's like sort of insane to me. And I get that I'm a special case. I understand, you know, I'm a special person. I'm not a perfect person, but,

we, you're not perfect. I'm not perfect. I'm not a perfect person, as the song says. But anyhow, but I'm special. And maybe I'm not, you know, what I do is not, what everybody, but like, you're just little things, just like sharing stuff and like setting your browser or your email app

or like just weird random little things. It's like, why does this have to be so dumb and hard? I'm not gonna dwell on it because like, you know, I'm now committed to the iPhone as at least my main device. I think I may just be like a two phone guy forever. Yeah, I think we're both gonna be two phone guys, which is so depressing. Um, but you know, it's fine, whatever.

I mean, phone soon we'll all be just talking to our, to our hands, like years and years. Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. I haven't seen, I only watched the first episode of that, and it was like such a downer that I couldn't keep watching it, by the way. Yeah, we'll truly dark you out in ways that like the handmaid's tail only dreamed of.

It's like much darker and weirder and upsetting. Also, it's British, you know? You know what's show is really fucking devastating? What's that? And last week was like, I'm never gonna get to it. And then this week I did. Succession, that shit will dark you out. Succession is though, here's the thing about Succession.

It's just white people throwing money at each other like in a money battle and just being horrible and ruining an industry that I work at. Like it's so hard to watch. But the thing is, it's like just made for like a thousand people in media so they'll like write about it. I mean, it truly is like... I mean, it is the...

It delivers on what the newsroom promised us, which was just like endless takes. It's also like, it's just like, it knows... By the way, there are people who are real like... Like, like, Cord Jefferson is like a consultant on it. You know, Cord Jefferson is like a consultant on it. You know, Cord Jefferson is like a writer and he's written for a bunch of other shows, but he was also like,

was very online at one point and it's like a real person from the internet that like a lot of people, like that I know and other people know. And so it's not surprising to like get the internet right, like their whole Valtor plot, which is like,

The Valtor episode that that that that that me around me. It's told me like to clean up my own mess. Yeah, it's like my face into the carpet. It's just like, yeah, it's like Buzzfeed and vice and a few other things like all mashed together. And it's like very accurate.

You know, and- It both darks me up, but it also makes me happy because, and this isn't like, I mean, maybe I shouldn't say this because people in the internet are gonna come for me, but like our day to day isn't like that. Everyone seems really nice and we're working on projects. We like, but I have been in businesses that are really like that are run in a very similar way,

we shut down in similar ways, like have similar issues. And I guess it just starts me off because it's like, it's not a dystopic TV show. It's a TV show explaining more in a dystopia right now. I mean, it's just, it's just, it's not a TV show. It's mostly a TV show. It's a TV show explaining we're in a dystopia right? I mean, it's just, it's just, it's not a big deal. It's mostly a TV show about one, I think it's a fairly unrealistic depiction of the people that it actually depicts. You know, like, I guess, like, you know, it's really rich. I've known really rich people. Okay, just no need to brag. Yeah, but the idea that they're giant toddlers who are in life. Well, no, that's right. That is accurate.

But they don't go to basement meetings. They don't send their sons to basement meetings to like, do tough talk. Like, they send a lawyer's note or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, look, everybody, everybody's got very drama. Don't get me wrong.

Everybody is a baby, okay? Everybody's a big, whiny baby. As Trixie Mattel once said, just because we're all babies doesn't mean there's a sitter. Wow, exactly. And I will say on that point, the most important thing you can learn in life is that nobody really is like the adult. Nobody is like, nobody really is like, oh, they have it under control. No one is that person that doesn't exist. Like, we'd doesn't exist. And by the way, I didn't like realize this because of Trump, but long before that, but it used to be that you had this assumption.

When you're a child, you think the adults are like adults. Like, they're a thing that exists, and they are in control, and they understand things, and they're going to take care of this. And the reality is, you just keep going from being a kid to being whatever it is you are when you're no longer a kid. And truly nobody is like, like actually knows what they're doing

and is perfect at like figuring things out and like understands the way the system works. Like those people don't actually exist, in my opinion. I, but I think that is definitely something that like, many people watching that's a huge realization for them. But I also think the second realization that the show has brought me to is that it's super offensive that the show is all white people,

but it's also extremely accurate and they would be doing a disservice to us. If they pretended that any diversity was happening at the upper levels of like an institutionalized family built company in an institutionalized industry. And I think the thing that upsets me the most is offhand comments about diversity. We have to find a black board member.

It's like, oh yeah, that stuff does happen. And this is fairly real. And I guess it's all good TV shows are a mix between a dramatized version and reality, even reality shows, but I think, I don't know. There's something that just hadn't been spoken to by other shows in a while because of a squeamishness about displaying wealth shamelessly and racism without even commenting on it. Like Dynasty hasn't existed for a while. And like maybe Revenge was the last show that like sort of tried to display Caucasity

at its most toxic, but like, it's actually definitely is that show. It feels very 80s 90s and shamelessly like that. And in its shamelessness, it's sort of as commenting on that, which it's kind of a mind-fuck and I love it. And also, there are times when it's so poorly written, and there are other times that I'm like, this is so galaxy brain.

It kind of, and this is another topic we have to talk about, but it kind of reminds me of the OA, where I'm like, is this the best thing I've ever seen in my life or complete garbage? Like I can't decide. Yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, I'm like, is this the best thing I've ever seen in my life or complete garbage? Like I can't decide. Yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, I will say, on the one hand, I'm kind of like, do we need another show about these people? Yeah. Really?

And then the other hand, it's sort of like, well, it's fucking entertainment, you know? And I do, it isn't entertaining. And also, those people have not been at all. Nothing has changed. Do you know what I mean? So like, it's sort of like if we can find another facet of it, we should probably keep commenting

on these awful people and not forget that they exist. You know? Right, yeah. I mean, there's something really like, I mean, look at whatever. I mean, I will say this, all the performances in the show are excellent. The characters are really like,

you know, they're great characters. They are. Kendall Roy, man. Yeah. He's great, but I don't, but I, I, I, you know, whatever, it's like an inessential show that could go away very easily

and like nobody would be that sad about it to be honest with you. Like I don't, I don't wanna be rude. I guess, but it feels like the prestige versus never-rested development,, which I think it's doing more than we're giving it credit for. And I don't know. I don't know if it is actually.

Really? I don't know that it's doing more than we're giving it credit for. I think it's doing just about, but maybe it doesn't even, like an idiot's savant style, it doesn't know how the levels it has. Sort of like real housewives until the last like three or four years ago,

did not understand like why it was good, which was why it was good. I mean, the only correct level to be about, like, see, I think that succession is a show, and I can't believe we're talking about it this much, but I think succession is a show that is excited about getting a look into the lives of these people. And it like, and their lives are so outrageous

and weird and sort of like master of the universe, E, that while we're supposed to be reviled by parts of it, there's a lot of it that we're actually, it's like we watch because it is, we wanna see how those people live. And we wanna, in some way, aspire to how those people live. And this is in some way,

I mean, succession is absolutely just like billions is like a money porn show where we're supposed to be disgusted by the behavior of the characters, but we sort of root for them anyhow, and we definitely want to like look inside their lives and look at the things they have and the things they do. Yeah, it's real housewives.

And fantasies. And fantasies. And fantasies. Yeah, and fantasies about what it'd be like if you had that. And it's fine. And escapism is fine. And healthy and necessary.

It's fine and escapism is fine and healthy and necessary. But, you know, there definitely is like something that's sort of like sickening about the show itself, like where I'm kind of like, like I don't wanna watch a show about Rubra Murdoch and that's basically what this show is, you know? So anyhow, I don't know, it's interesting. I mean, it's fun to watch. Like, I don't know. It's interesting. I mean, it's fun to watch. Like, I don't know that it's good, but it's fun to watch.

That's my review. Oh, well, thinking of. Yeah. I don't know if it's good, but it's definitely fun to watch. Have you been following what is happening with the fans of the OA? Okay. I mean, I'm like, so look, anybody who learned the moves is dead to me. Okay, I'm sorry.

Like if you, okay, so just in case you haven't watched the OA, the OA is a show that was on Netflix for two seasons about a group of people who do these, like moves, let's call them yoga for the sake of the argument. They do like a series of yoga moves and then they like can can traverse dimensions, okay? Yeah, I've just seen bodies or whatever. Whatever, they can just like, they do like cosmic shit.

It's a, the show's fun, it's had two seasons. It has a lot of mysteries that are never really answered because it's a show that kind of is like, can't answer. It's like lost in that it's keeps building up so many huge mysteries that like trying to answer them is a little bit like a bit of a futile action, but it is a really entertaining and engrossing show that is like thought provoking and frankly,

just very fun. In the same way that succession is a fun show, this is a fun show in a different way that's more like a cosmic sort of mystery. So Netflix canceled it. And now there are people who are like fans of the show who are like doing like OA. The most. They're doing too much. They're they're they're like doing OA flashmobs where they do the moves or whatever. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's one. I know you like it. I know you love it. It's a fucking TV show number one

I just hope these people also show up to protests at like the border and Like the muslim please I want to show me mad about multiple things and I want to show up at the border and do the moves No, no, no, no, no, no. I want them to show up at the border and do the moves. So that's what I want the OA flashmobs to try to, can they try to move ice to another dimension? God. Is that possible?

Can we get the OA to suck ice, all the ice people into a different dimension where the bad people go? No, but like. That's great ice for actual Arctic ice. Yeah. I, the thing, I see this is someone who mailed UPN Mars bars on behalf of Veronica Mars.

I see this is someone who has like got your ear afucking, you're a fucking, I'm a fan. But to show up to Times Square during the current political climate and do a flash mob to bring back a TV show is just like it just feels very tasteless I guess is the word. I mean the yeah it's bad. The OA is like a lot and I'm sure that boom comics will pick them up for like a extended universe thing And that'll be great for the fans, but like let's all breathe like I just can't I Mean it's fine. It's fine that you like the OA

But please don't do the moves in public, but I just don't learn the moves for like Greta Thunberg and Like they're not gonna show up. show up. They love the TV show. They're not showing up for important things. They're showing it to do the moves on a sidewalk so that Netflix will put the show back on the air. It's very disturbing. Do you want to talk about the gay jeans piece? Cause it's actually really interesting.

Sorry, what is gay jeans? Is that a new brand of denim? There was like a giant scientific review of studies to try to identify a single gay gene that like makes somebody gay. Yeah. One genetic component. And they couldn't do that. And their conclusion was that there are several genetic factors, including environmental

and behavioral factors that feed in person. Finally, I can, I know, I know the proof is out there. I can turn eat in person. Finally. I can, I know. I know the proof is out there. I can turn someone gay. None of this fucking matters because at the end of the day, if someone woke up one day and is physically attracted to women on a, like a guy woke up on a, and it's physically attracted to women on a physiological chemical level and still chooses to fuck men and marry one.

Like, that's his right. Like, this whole like essentialist argument of like if I can prove that I don't have a choice here, it's like who gives a shit? It's not in your fucking business who I have sex with, or why? Also, we never do this kind of stuff for straight jeans because we feel like that's the default,

which is just frustrating. It's like if they try to identify a black gene, it's like, it's not if you're fucking business. Why I do what I do, or like, I understand. I understand. I understand the desire to understand like what makes people people. I mean, just not just forget about gay, straight, whatever. Like, just in general, like we want to know more about like humanity. And I don't know this study or what the purpose of it was.

I think it's interesting to, I'm curious in the question like, why do some people lean particularly this way or that way? I think maybe you and I agree on this that sexual preference is the wrong word, but sexual interest. Well, actually that's the thing. People fight over the words preference and orientation because some people think there there is an orientation that is wired

into them and that they felt this way their entire life. And it's not something that like Peepooted judge always says, if given the option to be straight, I would have taken it. And then there are people that like like Cynthia Nixon, who have said, I'm just going with political examples apparently. Yeah. The only politician married to a man. and now is with a woman and she refers to herself as a lesbian and people say, but aren't you bisexual because you've said you're attracted to both and she said, I've chosen a life as a lesbian. I just think, yeah, I think this is all fine.

I think it's like, I think it's like what, I mean, listen, I'm totally, I totally am down for people to understand and study like, you know, how we are, why we are the way that we are in general. It's weird to reduce or at least treat somebody's identity and something that is built out of the experiences, the choices they make, freedoms they have to speak to, like, come out at all and identify themselves, which you would need in order to identify, like, you need self-reporting with this situation, to find any scientific consensus on what actually makes somebody gay. And that isn't always going to be found.

You're always going to have parts of this quote unquote, heterosexual population that haven't come out. Yeah. So it's just to treat it with all the gravitas of the right ups about whether or not a glass of wine a day is good for your gut health or like if chocolate makes you live longer, is kind of insulting. And I just think like science reporting has not gotten any better. I also just don't understand. I mean, like I tried to get into the data a bit, but I don't understand how they think any of this data is not only just like, not only is the data not junk science,

but also like how any of this was meant to improve anybody's life or position in the world. It just feels very 2002. Like it's super, it is like someone recently recently asked Trace Devon, his sexual position. Is he a top or bottom? And that's a super 2000 something question. Because at a certain point in time, people weren't understanding even how gay people had sex.

And I guess that's a valid thing to talk about or whatever. But we're at a sophistication level. We're like, that's nobody's fucking business. I mean, I'm cruelly. Well, the weird thing about the current state of existence is that everything is both nobody's business And also everything is everybody's business like no like there's so much that we share now It's like the line between what like is and isn't the question that need to be asked or should be asked is like

Weirdly like both like it's never been like we've never been more sensitive about the questions And we've never been more open about the questions and we've never been more open about answering questions. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Like as a person, like this week I have watched people canceled in real time on Twitter, like I've watched like cancellations unfurl

on Twitter this week, and I'm like this is, I'm like seeing the gradients, the minds of my generation. I mean like, I saw, like I was introduced to and then saw canceled people that I'd never heard of in my entire life this week. I was like, yeah Who's this? I'm like they did what? I'm like, oh, I guess I'll continue to it not know who that person is and ignore them and You know like anyhow the point is that it's I understand people's impulse to want to like get personal It is interesting though like when you think about like us studying like what makes someone gay It is weirdly gets into that space of like what makes someone Jewish or whatever

You know, which is like obviously Judaism is a religion not a in my opinion It's not an ethnicity though a lot of people do think of it as an ethnicity But like that you get into this that's like it gets like you said like what makes somebody black But then on the other hand on the flip side We can't have a bunch of Rachel Dole's eyes running around, being like, I'm black because I feel like it, you know? Well, that's because science is, there are softer sciences and there are political sciences

and psychological sciences where you can say, identity is a construct from inside out in certain respects and also outside in certain respects. And like Rachel Dole isesall can feel black, but blackness is based on a group of people identifying that you're part of them through family ties or physical experiences. And whereas sexuality is a really private thing

that is based on what you do when you're alone, you know what I mean? And so it doesn't need, we don't need a genetic proof where it's like, oh, we did a blood swap, it ends up your son's gay. So start having that conversation when he turned six. Do you know what I mean? Like that's fucking crazy and not gonna happen. Yeah. And so it's like, I don't know why. And then it gets so heavily reported and then we parse out these issues on like gay Twitter

or a gay blog or whatever. And I think this happens in lots of smaller communities. And then it never like that conversation ever reaches the people it was really meant to like reach or educate or like we didn't come to a consensus like in the way that like Mike Pence making Mike Pence's gay jokes. Like we all in the queer community know that we shouldn't nobody should be doing that because it's actually really harmful. But nobody seems to understand that. And we haven't communicated that properly.

I don't know. The whole thing's like a mess. And it makes me crave a pizza dilla. Wow. Amazing segue into the pizza dilla, which is which I've been eating all week long. And does everybody know what the pizza dilla is? Are we all caught up on this?

Because this was like, this was last week. So we're talking about ancient history really. So if you wanna discern from the runes, it was a video that was about three to four minutes long, but it was a really complicated recipe and it was someone making in real time like the most complicated, like concocted to be viral food thing. Yeah, so it's basically a marketing company doing marketing. I mean, it worked beautifully. And I believe, when I want to get his name right, Chris,

is it Stokel Walker? See, he's the one who wrote about it. Yes, Stokel Walker. I'll hold on. This writer Chris Stokel Walker, who has, he's been, he's now running this thing on medium called Fast Forward, I believe, which is about YouTube mainly, did a story on the company that produced this. So, yeah, this pizza dilla, which is like, it's like a seven layer taco that then gets like turned into like a pizza and then deep fried. It's like extreme shit, like extreme disgusting shit all put together, but like kind of looks good, but like also disgusting. You know, it's like, it's basically, it's both like a parody of and the

most pure like methed out version of those internet recipes that it's like, then you cut the bagel in half and you put a donut inside and then you seal the bagel back up. Yeah, it's like this. And it's like, yeah, it's like the thing that, it's the thing that like, it's like the thing that tasty gave rise to kind of allowed to sort of thrive,

which is like these like super disgusting kind of like, you're gonna get like immediate, you're gonna have an immediate heart attack. If you eat this. Yeah, they're like instead of sprinkles, we'll use Skittles, instead of sprinkles, we'll use skittles. And instead of ice cream, we'll use froth. And you're just making a pile of sugar. Yeah, by the way, Zelda has a book about a kid

who's making ice cream Sunday, where it goes horribly awry. It is exactly this. It's like, I'm gonna put this crazy amount of ice cream on here. Then I'm gonna put M&Ms. Then I'm gonna put this syrup. Then I'm gonna put some cherries.

And it's like, oh wow, this is a complete mess. But anyhow, so, but then there are also these sites that are these weird anonymous sites that are all over the internet now. And it's sort of related to like the slime sites and like the chunk sites or whatever. You know, there's all these like weird like, it's like pleasurable like slicing into weird like rubber

and stuff like that. It's all adjacent but there's these things now where you think like videos. So putting. Yeah so. Right. So yes, but then there's videos where it's like people are just doing these weird like this thing with the egg that was popular where it's like we got bigger than before. Like we like hard boiled an egg then we put it in this then it got bigger then we put it here

then it got smaller than we put it. It's like it's a it's a metastasization like a cultural Fucking mutation of life hacks which are and away a little bit satisfying to be like I didn't know you could great cheese using that or you don't even like there's there are like At the beginning of the internet there were little secrets to life that we all shared that we would never have known because they were So small and you're like I didn't know that you could make a straw fit perfectly and it can if you flipped that little open or thing the other way.

And it's a version of that that is using the part of your brain that gets dopamine from seeing something unexpected and just fucking smashing it all together in like a power rangers. Like, you know, it's dinosaurs and teenagers and colors and fighting and rock and roll music and sex and explosions. It's like that culturally, but for these tiny videos and some marketing company like realized

how to hack that part of our cultural consciousness and is exploiting it for this like disgusting ultimately useless thing. Yeah. It's like an attention economy, like it's an attention economy like squatter. Yeah. Yes, kind of. Yeah, it's like short selling, but for the attention economy.

At any rate, so, you know, it's like, but mainly it's just to market something to you is the at the end of the day is the story. And, you know, it's very effective. I don't know what their marketing set themselves in this case. And I think that was the point. Not the company's like, hey, we're really

going to video marketing on the internet. It's like, well, look what we did. Yes, if you just take a thing that nobody wants or needs and get people, it's like the exploding watermelon on Facebook live. That's the Paris Hilton of marketing companies. We're famous because we were famous and now you should respect us, we got famous.

People will look, they will turn their head, they will rub or knack at your weird shit. That is definitely true. But I mean, we should all have way less time to watch those videos, that's my opinion. Like, yeah, we should be doing... We should be doing the O.A. movement. We should be all in Times Square doing the OA movements,

trying to open up the portal to the dimension where there's an OA season three, okay? That's all I want in life. All right, what else is going on? What else do we have here? Did you watch the VMAs? I did. No, I did not watch the VMAs because the VMAs are dead

and over and nobody cares about them. And they're fucking meaningless and like it's a joke. And I don't know what even why they're still doing them. Although I did I did watch the Missy LA performance which is great but like am I supposed to be surprised that Missy LA does great. I don't think so. I'm gonna parapheize it but one of the best tweets I saw about the VMAs was like the VMAs is a pile of people who are either on their way down and trying to use the VMAs as a foothold to stay where they are either on their way down and trying to use the VMAs as a foothold to stay where they are, or on their way up and trying to crawl over the bodies of people on their way down to get to the top. And so it's just a bunch of sealist people with a couple a-listers bribed to be in the mix, like teller or missy. And that's really what it's developed into. Like it used to be exciting that

there was like a place where all the celebrities were going to be and we could watch them interact in real time and they would each put on a little talent show sketch. It was like a Comic Con but for like the super famous, coolest people, fashion and music. And now it's because of Instagram and like YouTube, we don't really need that. Well, I mean, it's interesting, but but so much of our culture has become like, but it's also like like the Missy I think is interesting because that's the one thing that seems to have broken out from the event. And it's so like reference culture, it's so like nostalgia.

Like we're like, oh, wow, the Missy Elliott is like this anachronism at the VMAs because she's like not, you know, yes, she's put out some music recently, but it's like, oh, she's getting the video, the Michael Jackson video van guard award, which is hilarious because it's like one, like, videos don't even exist on MTV anymore. So like, why are you even giving the fucking thing? And second, it's like, Missy Elliott is like not, people aren't like, oh, like, yes, all those Missy Elliott videos that we're all watching, like, that are brand new. It's like, these are classic things, they're classic videos. Anyhow, I was thinking a lot about this because there's a new trailer for the new Terminator movie, Dark Fate.

Yeah, you hate it. Well, it's like, first off, a lot of the trailer relies on me going like, oh shit, she did Arnold's line from Terminator 2 or whatever, she did, I'll be, she's like, like they have like Sarah Connor, who's played by Wimey Blanket on her name right now. Linda Hamilton.

Linda Hamilton, thank you. Anyhow, Linda Hamilton, great actress, was great in the Terminator films. We last saw her, I believe in T2. So this is like some retcon shit also, they're like, oh, the third one and the fourth one, and maybe the fifth one never happened. There were like three other movies that didn't one, and maybe the fifth one never happened.

There were like three other movies that didn't happen. And this is gonna take place after it's just following the events of T2, I guess, which is fine, even though, even though, I mean, this is what they did with Halloween. Yes, it's exactly what they did with Halloween, which by the way, gets to my point, which is like this desperation to revisit the past.

And this is everything where there's so much now that we are, that is in popular culture, that has a rehash and a revisit of things that we've already done. And it does, I do think it suggests something very wrong with the way culture functions right now, which is it feels more and more like we're creating fewer pieces of new culture, we're creating a lot of rehashes of old culture. Like, stranger things, as much as I love it, is absolutely the sum of its parts in the sense that it is not like, it is a particularly good story. It's like, we like the universe that the stranger things kids live in, which is a 1980s

fantasy universe, you know? And even the villain and even the story itself is really kind of a 1980s fantasy. And so like we want to go back to a time now, we want to go back to the old terminator. And what I believe, mostly this new movie is relying on at least based on what the trailer shows me, is like a reference to like a re-imagining of and repositioning of the past. By the way, Blade Runner 2049 did this exact fucking thing. This is the new trend if you make a sequel to an old movie,

which everybody wants to do, is like you're gonna retcon the past version into something different now with the new thing. And so like, I assume, you know, a lot of the energy and strength of this movie is supposed to come from that, but that shit kinda doesn't work for me. Like, it's like, I feel less and less like it's a functioning active storytelling to show me, to revisit a character that I've known for years and then like surprise me by like,

his line being said by somebody else or what you thought you knew about him not being actually the case, just like it's really easy to revisit the past and change what, you know, hindsight's 2020, right? So it's really easy to go back and go like, Oh, actually, this is what it really meant. Oh, yeah, the Halloween stuff. Well, this is what really happened after the last Halloween. And it's like, it's kind of lazy in a way. And it's annoying. They have,

it's like, they keep not getting judgment day, right? I mean, how many times are they going to like try to fix judgment day? It's pretty clear to me that judgment day just right? I mean, how many times are they going to like try to fix judgment day? It's pretty clear to me that judgment day just has to just just going to have to roll, you know? Maybe that's what this movie is about, but like nobody seems to be able to stop judgment day and nobody seems to be able to fix anything that happens after judgment day. We got terminators just flooding back to the timeline and also here's the thing that's fucking annoying is like at some point I'm going to start to not believe that there's just a constantly new and better terminator than like the ones that you have already sent back.

Like if the future exists, why aren't you sending back the absolute best terminator that you have to start with instead of being like, oh yeah, that's an old model, but now we've got a bunch of really kick ass models, anyhow, whatever. Go ahead, what were you gonna say? You're saying time travel logic doesn't make sense. I'm saying, I'm saying, well, actually, yes, I mean, but okay, go ahead. So I think two things, one, and they're related,

but one is, I think a whole generation of younger gen exers and millennials grew up without the internet. And when it like to a certain point, and then when it showed up, they liked it and it was good. And then around like 2004, 2005, it became a vehicle to revisit the greatest hits of a culture. And rather than seeing all the shit and michigan's that got produced in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, we only have the hits. It's like an Eagles greatest hits album.

It's like you picked up Britney Spears, just the singles. And you don't have to hear all the shit from those albums. You just hear the tight pop produced. Like it's the best of Fleetwood Mac. It's awesome. Right. Now that's what I, we're living in the, now that's what I call a music world. Yes. And so they watched all that stuff and they're like, this stuff is so good. And they're right. Over the course of a century, we made some awesome stuff. And they got really excited about more of that stuff, rather than a bunch of having to slog through the shit

of day-to-day releases of an Ashton Kutcher gross at movie or like a TV show with six sexy singles who hang out like, they're like, make more friends. Why would you make another show with six sexy singles? That's gonna be bad. Make friends, friends was good. Yeah, which they did. Which they did, it's from how I met your mother.

And they did that. We've been doing that now for like 20 years, maybe 15 years, where we're just re-releasing all this stuff and revisiting the hits. And we want like video vanguard awards. And we want to like, you know, we want our new pop source to just sample old songs. But I do think that the generation Z below us, and I hate talking in generations, but it is true. Grew up, absolutely. Their face is stuffed with old superheroes, old pop stars, revisiting like biopics from Great, like Queen. Like they have had their fill of rehashes.

They've seen all the best of it, and they take it all for granted. And now they don't care about it. And at some point, they're gonna be like, yeah, I understand what an Ironman movie is. They've seen a whole bunch of them. They're all the same, who cares? And they will move on.

And I think that we're coming up on a generation that is excited about new stuff, weird stuff, like TikTok stuff that can surface interesting things. Yeah, but TikTok is actually like, I mean, part of TikTok strength is like you performing someone else's work. Yes, but it is not a good sign. Interesting about TikTok is the original subversion or like the original jokes or the original takes.

People I don't think are flocking to TikTok because they want to hear clips of beat it. I think they're flocking there because someone's doing beat it while they pretend to jerk off and they're like, that's funny. I never thought of it like that. I mean, yeah, maybe, but that's just a rehashing of, that's just a rehashing of culture that is pre-existing.

Sure, but I think we're in a process now. Like for example, the OA was a very- Oh my God, wow, we're going back to the OA. Yeah. And the people who liked it liked it because they were like, I've never seen anything like this before. And it's playing with ideas that are really modern and cool and interesting.

And now, instead of being excited about other people getting new ideas and new stories, they're still in that trap of like, but this is good, so make more of that. Yeah. But I do think we're going towards a place of, I don't really give a shit about the ubiquitous bullshit that's available to me. Like, I get it, kids are going to watch old movies and be like, that was pretty good. But I don't think that there is excited about like, we have the, we are fans and we have the power to bring it back. I think that they're operating from a place of like, I don't

really care. Like, I want to do what I want to do and I would show me something new. And I think that will be the sort of savior of the culture in a way. Like I think it's probably cyclical. Like in the 80s we suddenly had VHS tapes and cassettes and we could revisit old movies. So video store culture, like obsession with the 50s and like the available media existed and we were on that like 30 year nostalgia cycle. I do think that we're going to eventually break away from that because it's not as if suddenly a library of cool things is available to you.

It's always available all the time on your watch. You need only Pell Siri and someone's gonna transcribe it and show it to you. So like, I think we're gonna get to a place where that ubiquity is boring. Yeah, maybe. And they're only excited about new stuff. And I do think that's like my hope.

I mean, I hope so too, but I do think that we're in a situation now where, where like discovery is discovery is nothing. It is takes one second to learn everything you need to know about a person, a time, a character, a trend, a fashion, whatever. Like, for instance, like I Googled Sarah Connor when we were like, couldn't remember Linda

Hamilton's name. And there's a Wikipedia entry for Sarah Connor, which is like for Sarah Connor, who is a fictional character. There are several paragraphs about her age. I just want to read some of this to you, okay? Because it's fucking amazing. According to the original script, the terminator does not, the original movie does not specify her age or birth date, although according to the original script, she was 19. The film was primarily said on May 12th to the 14th, 1984, according to the script for birth date between May 15th and May 11th 1965. Sorry, May 15th, 64 and May 11th 1965. In Terminator II, this psychologist said she's 29.

That means she would be born between this date and this date, make it her 17 or 18 or 19 during the Terminator. Then they're like, oh, in the Serricana Chronicles, it says that her age is X, and then it's like her tombstone in Terminator 3 reads she was born 1959 it's like okay so dude I'm first off not only am I in Sarah Connor like I know everything about the character now I'm like we have the defined details on what her actual age is based on the different movies that she's been in TV shows and it's like like this

was not possible not that long ago, like 20. But don't you think that means that at the end of this, with all of the reboots and the continuations, that nothing ever has to truly end, it can become a comic book or a strip. Yes, but I also think, it also doesn't fucking matter at the point. Well, yeah, but I also think it means that it's easier for the lazy and frankly, like I think most, but I also think it means that it's easier, it's easier for the lazy and frankly,

like I think most people are fairly lazy. It's like, you know, I mean myself included to some extent on some of the stuff. I mean, you don't think your can and tight will set your piece apart, but in general, I don't think people can hear what they're saying. I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying new things come from not just like being surrounded by things that have previously existed, but, but, existed, but by not having those access to those things. And I think that one thing that we've done is we've given so much access to so much information that it makes the creation of new things much harder work because it's so much easier just to borrow from what is already. But maybe it's a time where we need to just admit that nothing is in holy new.

Maybe this is what TikTok is. Nothing is holy new, but I have something to say, and sometimes the thing I have to say will be new, and I'll get rewarded in the economy of ideas or whatever. But in general, nothing is holy new, and it's better if we just just admit that and maybe we should just get rid of copyright law and let people remix Mickey Mouse and stop acting like Mickey Mouse was this original creation when in fact Mickey Mouse is an amalgamation of other characters that were really awesome. No, Mickey Mouse is the first and the only creation that matters, never defame him. All right, what else, what else do we have to talk about?

Let's say one, apparently like vaping is really bad for you. Yeah, it's really bad. The CDC has issued a warning. How to surprise. Issues, e-cigarette warning after respiratory illness reports. So, I mean, this is, you know, terrifying. I don't mean you had to have some real wishful thinking to think that vaping was gonna end up being. Well, no, it is, it is, but also it's a, it's also just like, it's just like, it's moved from like a thing that some people

are doing to mass of popularity so quickly. And it's like, it's not like, look, I mean, cigarettes are awful for you as well. It's just like, it's like, we're just like, people kind of like, we don't know what it's doing, which is fucking insane. Because people wanted to smoke all along and given any reason to have an excuse to not think about it, it's the same thing with cars.

If you can't have the car that you were like, maybe it's better for the environment. We don't know what these greenhouse gases do. People would fucking jump on it if it was the same price, because they'd be like, I wanna drive my car. Yeah, anyhow, I'm just saying, just if you're vaping, just take it easy. Don't go too crazy,

because we don't really know what's going on. Yeah, please don't. I mean, I'll vape a little bit, but you gotta just take it slowly, you know? Two other things, Twitter related things. One, and I just saw this because Brandy tweeted, it's fucking insane. Dior just released, I mean,

what is wrong with the fashion industry? They're so fucking broken. Dior has like a new, they have a line, I guess it's a perfume called Sovage, which I think is the French word for savage. And on Twitter, they're like an authentic journey deep into the Native American soul and a sacred founding in secular territory. And it's got like a Native American person dancing

like in like full Native American garb, like traditional. And it's like, I'm sorry, is this for your, it's not, I'm sorry, do you're the French fashion brand? Is this for your perfume line called Savage? I just wanna make sure I'm understanding all of this completely. It's so tone deaf and insane. It's like nuts. It's nuts. What's weird is that like to none of these people read the news or follow Twitter or look at you.

Like you know what you're doing is bad at this point. It's been thoroughly broadcast. My grandmother has takes on cultural appropriation and she truly doesn't give a shit. Like, people understand what, like, the lines are towards, like, people understand now that there are lines around certain things that you should, when, once you cross them, you should think about what you're doing, that like,

using Native American culture to sell a product might not be over the line for those people. If you collaborate with Native American, you let a Native American artist do it. But once you've started down that direction, you know to think about it. You know to think about it. It's so crazy.

It's just like, I'm sorry, was there no one? Was there no one? Also was this on purpose so that we would talk about it? Right, maybe it was, but what was this? Is this a good look for Dior? No, if it's on purpose. He talked about it all. I get it.

I get it about Dior. I just don't think this is the kind of talking about the Dior wants, is it? I think we know that all press, that not all press is good press in the long term, but they are right that in the short term, some press is better than no press and nobody gives a shit about Dior.

So I have to think that they know what they're doing. I'm pretty surprised. So crazy. It's really bad. It's so crazy. It's just nuts. I mean, I'm, it's, anyhow, then the second thing is like, I just want I'm gonna leave this here, basically.

Trump did a tweet while we've been talking. Oh, did he? It's a picture of a satellite, what appears to be like a satellite image of a launch pad in Tehran. And this is the tweet, okay? You ready? The United, this is Donald Trump speaking. It's a picture of what appears to be an explosion on a launch pad taken from a satellite. That's the image in the tweet. The tweet is, the United States of America was not involved in the catastrophic accident during final launch preparations for the Sophia SLV launch at Semnan launch site 1 in Iran. I wish Iran best wishes in good luck in determining what happened at site one. Like, is this a threat? Is this like him taking responsibility for it?

Like, I'm like, I don't know what I don't know what it is, but I feel like it's definitely not something that should be in a tweet. Whatever it is, it shouldn't be tweeted about and he should Whatever it is, it shouldn't be tweeted about and he should, he's gonna be wrong about it. Like that, that would be, sort of, it's sort of like, do you or, you know when you're gonna bring up Iran and an explosion at like a launch site, that you should maybe send up a flare and ask for some help because you're going into muddy territory. And instead he does this on the shitter fucking typing out. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, I mean, I don't know. It's bad. We live in a bad time and bad people dark. The darkest timeline, which means bad what's bad what's, bad wise bad where is the bed house?

Buh, dooral. And then anyhow, I think that means it's time for nice things. Isn't that right? Yeah. It's the same way you did it. The same way you did nice things with that shit. It's like, oh, yeah, maybe, I don't know. He's threatening Iran with war, it's hard to say.

Hard to say. I got three nice things, none of which are going to be very interesting to you. But one, they make a vegan schnitzel at bite NYC. Sorry, what's a schnitzel? A schnitzel? It's like a German fried meat. Oh, really? It's meat.

I thought a schnitzel is meat. Yeah. Chicken schnitzel. German fried meat, but they make a vegan one at bite, which is near our new office. Please don't Google it and find us. Wow. But it is so delicious. And I've eaten one every day and I'm just happy about that too. Kirsten Gillibrand dropped out of the presidential race. He liked that. He was the right thing to do.

I love that. I think she's a great at what she's doing now. And she was wasting a lot of money in people's time, including her constituents. And I think her message has been delivered. And it is a good time to bow out of the race if you're Kirsten or a few other candidates like Tulsi and Andrew Yang that I think. Yeah, Yang.

Yeah, yeah. And everybody's best interest to now go home and give your money to the people that I have. Just support whoever, whoever runs. I you know, it's funny. I talked to a, I talked to one of the few people I know who voted for Trump, who I still could speak to, who works at a business adjacent to our business,

but it's not in our business. And, you know, I don't know the guy that well, but I know him well enough to have like friendly conversations. And so I was like, you know, I don't know the guy that well, but I know I'm well enough to have like friendly conversations. And so I was like, you know, so I said, we saw him the other day and I said, are you, I'm like, what do you, you know, how I was like, how's it going? And I give him shit obviously

because I know he voted for Trump. I'm like, I'm like, hey, am I favorite Trump voter? And he's like, come on. I said, you have O4, but again, he's like no fucking way. And so I was like, okay, that's a good start. Like he's like, you know, he's like, I thought he'd be crazy. I didn't think he'd be this crazy. And it's like, listen, I can't, I can't,

like I'm not gonna comment on, you know, I you know how I feel about people who voted for Trump. You know, listen, I would love to do, and I told you so, dance, but they not going to hear or see what you're doing as Positive and frankly, who is that survey? No, this guy is like an interesting. He's interesting because it's like one of these like New Yorkers He's like a New Yorker Trump person who's like in every regard. Yeah, but those are the worst No, I know I know I know exactly and I'm like I'm like I'm like do care, I'm like, do you care of trans people serving the military?

He's like, I don't care who's sir, who wants to serve in the military. I'm like, what about gay marriage? He's like, yeah, I mean, clearly you do. No, you don't care. I mean, this is the thing where my brain is like, I don't understand like my brain. How can you think someone,

so I'm like, he has four daughters. He's four daughters. He has four daughters. I'm like, do you think your daughters are safer in a Trump administration? I mean, now he, by the way, agrees with all of this. Like, like, but if you genuinely thought, like, I truly don't care, it doesn't matter.

Maybe what happens to trans people? First off, that is a choice. You've chosen to devalue those people. And second, if you think that he thinks trans people or being female should disqualify you. Do you think that, and you know that that isn't true and that's stupid? Do you think his thinking on other topics

is gonna be honest and intelligent? Like what, I don't understand. Yeah, well, okay, so look, so I'm with you. It's indicative of character. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's one of these people who, and by the way, I'm not trying to berate this person, because he has seems to have learned the error of his choices. But, you know, it's like, I just, I thought he'd be good for the economy, and everything else was like, not, didn't matter.

Which is like a certain, which is- Why do people think that, though? Right about Republican politics or history has ever been good for the economy. It's just a really special kind of, it's a really special kind of like dissonance, cognitive dissonance where you can just, you can just go like, you can, I mean, to me, it's like, it's sort of like these people who voted for Obama and then voted for Trump, where you get the impression that their attraction is not even about actual, any actual policy or things they say or anything. It's just like they like the idea of somebody who's new. It's like the idea of a person who hasn't,

they haven't seen before, and any rate, and any rate. So I was like, okay, so who, I'm like, who, who, but wait, but wait, before you go on. When they say when they say what do you think when someone says I thought you'd be good for the economy are they saying I thought by the way by the way the claim is currently for all of this people said he has been good for the economy the economy is booming I mean I'm making money or does that mean like the old I think I think better because how well I think one of the actually I think one of the things that's happened particularly for this guy is he's like,

I thought Donald Trump would be good for the economy because he'd like, you know, do all this de-regulation and whatever and make like trade easier. But that's never good for the economy. But no, no, okay, but we can argue that, we can argue that all we want. I'm just saying that the way that some people think is like, you need to do these things

for the economy to be strong. Now, by the way, his argument as the economy is strong, so like that actually was right. He actually believes that Trump has helped to make the economy better. He also doesn't think that we're going to have a recession and maybe he's right, we don't know. And certainly nobody's rooting for a recession.

Like, I don't want a recession. I'm not rooting for it, it's just happening. Well, we'll see. But what's interesting is that people in New York who voted for Trump have discovered that the way Trump's tax laws, the new Republican tax laws function for a lot of those people, it actually fucks them really hard. It's actually very bad. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My dad and my uncles thought they were rich. They thought that they were that 1% that Bernie's talking about. They really thought they had made it on Easy Street and I hate to break it to you.

All these people who think that they're rich are merely middle class and feel rich because everyone else is so much more. That's right. So everybody's like, oh, this is what rich and middle class looks like. Now I see the difference and they've made it like stark, very stark.

Anyhow, the point is, so I'm like, okay, so you're gonna vote, I'm like, you're gonna not, you're not gonna vote for Trump. I'm like, would you vote for Biden? And he's like, yeah, I think Biden's great. Cause we, I previously, what happened is he walked into a conversation I was having with other people about how they were like, time out, how bad Biden is.

And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, Biden sucks, but he is better than Trump. You know, like, I'm sorry, he is. That's a fact. Sure. like, yeah, I'm like Biden sucks, but he is better than Trump. You know, like, I'm sorry, he is. That's a fact. Sure. Okay, but anyhow, which is by the way, that's the competition now. It's like, we think the competition is between, listen,

I hope that Elizabeth, we want Trump. I hope Biden grabbed 12 points. I hope that I hope that. 13. I hope that I thought he's back on top. I think he's just been leveled. I think here's the reality.

People know who Joe Biden is, and so they go to the name that they know, and the more they hear the other names, the more they likely they already go like, oh yeah, maybe that person. So the reality is this is all actually about marketing, and it's not about fucking people's policies. It's like the more marketing

that one of these candidates have, the better they'll do in polls, because people will be like, I've heard of them. People, like most people believe it or not, there are a lot of people who actually haven't heard of the candidate that you think is the shit, you know? Like, there are a lot of people who are only vaguely aware of Elizabeth Warren.

Like, not everybody leaves on the internet the way we do. Okay, so anyhow, when they come aware of her, they like her more. Okay, forget about that, Forget just forget for a second I'm not that's I understand I agree with you. I with I want to live with Warren to be the candidate, okay? But I'll tell you I was like Biden. He's like yeah, I vote for Joe Biden He's like Joe Biden is like a less crazy Trump. That's what he said. That's what he said Okay, so so I just want to give you I just want to give you a little bit of a of a I just want it for this is real a

Real person who will vote, who voted for Trump is like, yes, I'd vote for Joe Biden. Now, that's fucking important. That's important. And don't think that it's not important. But then when I started talking about the other candidates, a warrant warrant he hates, right? Because here's why, do you know why he doesn't like Warren? Because she blames the banks banks for like the for taking their house when her father lost his job He just has this personal thing where he's like I don't like that. She blames the banks for that. I'm like, okay That's illogical but whatever okay. He thinks Bernie Sanders is crazy and will turn America into a socialist nightmare This is a real conversation. Oh my god

I thought this is nice. They like you have this creepy feeling of who he likes. He likes Kamala Harris. He said she's tough. Okay, he doesn't know he hasn't her policies yet. So so right now for him these top top picks are our Biden maybe Kamala Harris if he likes what she has to say. No, boy. I would say Kamala is a Kamala or Kamala? Is it barbed both acceptable? I'm feeling maybe not him specifically, but many people saying the things that he's saying are just gonna vote for Tom.

No, so he actually, what he said was interesting. He's like, I know a lot of guys that live in my neighborhood that you talk to them at the, you know, you meet, see them at the bagel place and there's an argument about politics, they'll be like, you know, Trump's a nightmare, fuck, Trump, blah blah blah. And then they're like, you know, secretly like,

I'm voting for him in the next election. Oh, it's sort of like the people that I have spoken to who will say, I mean, I think he's a terrible person and he's gross and very embarrassing. And I wish he would get it together. But I don't think his policies have been that bad because their lives have been unaffected. Yeah, it's fucking insane. At any rate, so. In the back, nice things. Kirsten Gillibrand, we really did a bad job. So anyhow, by Kirsten Gillibrand, she was good. Good.

I'm glad she's dropped. Oh, I'm sorry. I have a nice thing. It's breaking fucking nice thing news. Gameplay Cyberpunk 2077. Gameplay content just dropped. Literally, no, no, no, no, no, this is brand new from, it's brand new. Where's this from? It's a deep die, 14 minutes of gameplay. Oh my god, I'm dying, dying. I'm dead. My last thing before we finish up and then go play cyberpunk is I saw the movie Where

Do You Go Burn a Dead? Which was not a good movie, but I very much enjoyed watching it if that makes sense. It's got that tone and this character actresses and there was a lot of visual porn and it was like ASMR. It was like, if you taught an AI to write a movie by only watching Nora Efron movies, and then it did a half decent job, and then they shot it with like a great budget and insane cast.

I really enjoyed watching it. I would sit and watch it. It was like watching it rain. I know that it's inconvenient for people, and it's probably not making my life easier, but it's relaxing. And so I'm going to say go see where to go, Bernadette. Also, part of that is I got my Alamo Draft House past, the like season past thing where you pay $30 a month and you can see as many movies that Al'll most draft houses you want. That is really good.

And I say that as someone who spent three days in an album of draft house watching 22 Marvel movies, I'm so happy to be back because it's really the best theater experience in the world. Those are all the nice things that I have from this week. Wow. Oh, also we did our house live show and it went great. Oh, yeah. I saw some video from that. It looked really good.

It was really good. People should see it. Even if you don't like housewives, if you see me tweet about it, it's a good show. I'm humble about a lot of things, but we do a very good job with those shows. Don't be humble. Put it out there.

Okay, so my obviously my number one nice thing is that there's new Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay footage out, which honestly, like people are just gonna be, I can tell already, I bet you people are going to be like, this doesn't look as good as the previous demos. I'm excited to see the backlash. It's tough because that game for me has been so hype at one point that I was like, this is going to be my favorite thing that's ever been released. And now I know it's just going to be a very good, awesome thing that we'll get released.

And no matter what happens, it's going to be a little bit of a left on because I want to be the best back in ever. The hype is impossible to match. I mean, you're just, you're never going to get there. You're never going to get where you want to get. But anyhow, and I don't think I have any other nice things for you. Let's be things with you. All you like from your whole week.

I've been working, I've been working so hard. I am excited, I am excited. I mean, there's stuff that we're doing with input and inverse that I'm really excited about. And like we're starting to, there's gonna be some, there's gonna be some, we're gonna have, we're gonna announce some people soon who are joining the team.

We have some really cool stuff we're doing the product that I'm excited about. I mean, person, Dylan Brand is our, editor in chief of input. No, I, you know, I mainly like, I mainly just like, Lauren's out over gone all week. They're coming back soon.

I'm very excited about that like today, but you know, I just like literally went into a weird, a weird hibernation mode where I just was working and then I would come home and I'd smoke some weed and then I'd go, I'd pass out. And I barely drank. That's just my regular one. I barely drank as a week, which is interesting. Like, it's like, it's, it's, it's basically like I was just like so tired at the end of the day that I wasn't even without having Laura around. I'm like very bored and so like I'm just, well, I guess I'll go to bed.

So yeah, I mean, so mainly I'm just excited to get my life back on track. I'm getting a little bit excited for fall. I know like everybody's like, oh, fall, it's so exciting. You know, I'm so excited. I'm not that excited, but I'm the other day and it smelled like dead leaves and I... Well, I'm so excited. I'm not that excited, but I'm... The other day, and it smelled like dead leaves, and I was like, fuck.

I'm not ready for summer to end. I really like the summer, and I miss some. Oh, no. Well, bye. The other thing is, oh, the other thing that I'm doing is, I'm going back and watching a bunch of old movies that are really great, particularly like some Robert Altman movies. If you haven't seen a movie called The Long Goodbye, I recommend it. I'm sure we talked about it.

Elliot Gold, when he's very young, plays Philip Marlow, the famous detective from the Raymond Chandler books. And it's just like, you know, a Humphrey Bogart's very famous for playing this character, but it's like, it's truly a take on this character, anybody else's and it's really awesome. And it's just, anyhow, I'm watching that at California Split, which is a movie that I actually haven't seen, which is a Robert Altman movie about gamblers. And what I realize is that modern movies are severely and sorely lacking in really interesting characters and plot.

I have the theory about why that I have been beating this drum for a while and people keep telling me I'm just getting old, but I kind of think everyone looks the same. Like everyone looks like a brass doll now. Yeah, for sure. If you look at the long goodbye, like Elliot Gould is at P-Cottness, but he's not like, text, he doesn't look like that.

He's kind of ugly. He's sort of ugly. He's ugly. He's ugly, hot. And that's how everybody looks. But that's like, I mean, and they were interesting. I mean, look at their character. I mean, look at fucking like Charlton Heston.

Like, dude is not, he's like, he's out of shape. I remember thinking, is he's in fucking in the Omega Man, which is like from 1970 or something. And like, there's a scene where he's like shirtless. I know he's, but he was supposed to be like a fucking god. And it's like, he's like, kind of got my love handles. And it's a scene where he's shirtless, I know he's, he's supposed to be like a fucking god. And it's like, he's like kind of got my love handles and it's just amazing. At its core, in immediate, I just see a picture of somebody sure I guess hotness works, but at its core, actors need to be interesting looking and charismatic and memorable.

Like Danny DeVito didn't succeed because he was super hot. And that, even for a character who's supposed to have some sexuality to them, it doesn't, you don't need to, like, I feel like nowadays, especially with like streaming services, I see more and more just curds of people who look exactly the same doing serviceable jobs that they're acting. Yeah. And I know people have told me I'm just getting old,

but I do think actors used to be interesting looking, and that used to be choices made by directors, and it would make their, it would enhance the experience so much. When everyone has perfect teeth, it's kind of I don't know. I agree. But anyway, I love the long by. I definitely had great. It's a great movie.

So I've been I've been I've been trying to watch more old movies now because I literally have been one of the things I was doing. It's like I was sitting down in front of the TV and I'm like, Oh, what should I watch? Oh, I watch all of you for you, which. Oh, that's my next on my list. It's not good. ya, which... Oh, that's when I asked on my last question. It's not good. I'm sorry, like, there's a lot of great performances in it. It like wants to get somewhere, but it never does.

And there's like also... It was my hear. There's just also like, there's like, look, there's a lot of stuff in it that's very ripped from the headlines. It also kind of plays, I feel very much like an old man's like weird fantasy of what teens are getting up to. And like, I'm like of, I'm pretty fucking rainbow party.

Yeah, I mean it is, it literally is that shit. And like I'm a little bit burnt on like the, the teens are doing this crazy thing vibe. Just the whole thing, like this whole thing, visco, visco girls shit that I keep hearing about. It's like people are like, have you heard of visco girls? They shop at the mall and they wear Burkin stocks and they use scrunchies and I'm like a suburban teen.

They go to Brandy Melville. Isn't this their version of hipster? Isn't this their version of like, I don't know, I don't think so. Who's who? Like the young people. I don't know, I don't think that Visco girl is a thing. I think it's a thing that adults are trying to make.

I mean, a thing. I think it's a thing that adults are trying to make. I mean, a thing. My cousin's daughter, 100%. I thought that she had an aesthetic, like a few months ago, then I heard about Visco girls, and it clicked, I was like, oh, she's a Visco girl. But is a Visco girl a thing, or is it a thing that we're applying to a thing that exists?

I think it's a joke about a type of girl that I have. But like, maybe even uses Visco. I don't even fucking, who, what team uses visco? I actually do not teens that use visco. Okay, so you're telling me visco is cool now? At least using the filters and stuff. Okay. I mean, I did actually, I did actually like

get back on visco the other day. In fact, you're the only person I know who's on visco. I was like, oh yeah, visco, I completely, I like, remember I met the visco founders and like I remember talking to them and I was like giving them shit because Visco, I completely, like I remember I met the Visco founders and like I remember talking to them and I was like giving them shit because they didn't have an Android version. They're like, it's coming.

This was like years ago. And they were super nice guys. I think we actually still follow each other on Twitter and stuff and I was like, oh yeah, Visco, whatever happened to that. And it's like, I guess it's still going. But like, I don't know, I don't need anymore, like I don't need anymore.

Like I was looking at, like their filters are great. They are really nice. And I like the idea that it's very referential to actual camera technology. But this kind of goes back to the nostalgia thing, which is like, I don't think we need to make things more nostalgic at this point. Like we are really good on nostalgia, you know?

Oh, one other thing, I do have one other nice thing. I was looking at a bag on Instagram. They kept getting advertised. And then I was like, this bag is interesting. I want to get it. Then I looked on AliExpress and like the bag is 100% like a bag from AliExpress with a logo on it. I was like, this bag is like, it's a drop ship. Yeah, it's a drop ship situation. And they have the people who are doing it have very, very, very good. Now, they're doing some custom colors and they have very good like branding. So I'm like props to them for like making a $45 bag, $180 bag. Like, congratulations. But this is just like reality stars have been doing with their quote unquote,

quote line. Yeah. Well, so any high order the bag from Ali Express and I've never ordered anything from Ali Express. So I'm really excited to see what actually love Ali. So I'm excited to see what it's like. And then maybe I'm going to start my bag, and my own bag company in quotes. Input is just a dropship brand. What's the other way?

Actually, I've been meaning to talk about this. Rob by Kirsten Deliverer. Input is just, it were just doing it to store for products, for products that you can get on AliExpress. And it's fucking exciting, very exciting. All right, we gotta wrap up. Let's do it. Bye. Bye. Well that is our show for this week, we'll be back next week with more tomorrow, and as always I wish you and your family the very best, though I understand that your family went to an OA Flash mob and hasn't been heard from since.