Tomorrow - 175: Caroline in the City

Episode Date: September 13, 2019

This week Josh and Ryan agree about the iPhone 11, disagree about about Caroline Calloway, and debate the Presidential debate. There's also some discussion of Juul pods, Astral Chain, and Saturday Night Live. We're very hip and relevant around here, so listen up or you'll be cancelled. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow I'm your host Josh Wattapolsky. Today on the podcast, we discuss Jeffrey Star, Joe Biden, and Julepods. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. Ryan, we're back. We accidentally took off last week. Didn't mean to. It's really crazy. I want the listener to know, we have a ton of stuff going on right now with input and inverse.

There's just like so much happening. I have like 10 separate projects going on, went out of town, and we're literally ramping up like the biggest thing we've done, like together, so that's maybe the outline. So it's like, and yeah, so we're a little busy. We're a little busy. So two apologies to all of the listeners, as they missed, but on the plus side, I feel like last week was,

I don't know what happened last week, I feel like it was really like a really boring. I remember being fairly eventful. I don't remember. I was in, I was in, I was traveling this week. Last week was like the post Labor Day week. Yeah. So I think it was really boring.

Like everybody was like, I remember thinking, we're, we're fitting a lot into these four days, but I can't, I don't know what happened. What happened? I can't in my mind pull apart what is current news versus what is news that started then. If we had done a podcast, we'd be able to go back and go like, oh yeah, this was a perfect.

And maybe it would have been the most legendary podcast we'd ever done. It's actually, we could have done a podcast, we'd be able to go back and go like, oh yeah, this is what I'm talking about. And maybe it would have been the most legendary podcast we'd ever done. Exactly. We could have done like a, like what's Apple going to announce? Now we have unfortunately all we can do is what has Apple announced? All we can do now is sit with the knowledge that Apple announced mostly mediocre things. Let's actually talk about the big issue right now, which is that there's a Twitter trending topic that Rihanna's pregnant. Rihanna? Rihanna's pregnant. Well, I don't know. We don't know if she is. There's a trending topic. It's really annoying. Apparently, she's suddenly like referenced being pregnant. And the thing is what I need, what I need is for Apple to stop doing keynote announcements. And if Rihanna's pregnant, I need her to do a keynote announcement about it.

Yeah, we want her to be like, we've developed our coolest baby ever. Yeah, it's like, she gets the new slide style with all the stuff on it. It's like, it's like beautiful, talented, great mom, like has all those like specs on it. Yeah. Mysterious father who will not be, shall not be named.

Yeah, anyhow, a lot's been going on, but then, so this week we have a lot to talk about. Actually, let's talk about Apple. What did you think about that? What did you think about the Apple event? Because I just spent $2,000 on that fucking phone. So, yeah, same. Well, listen, I have to.

It's a professional necessity. So first off, I thought Charlie Warrzzel wrote an interesting editorial for The New York Times, which I tweeted about, which I agree with. There is something that is like, Iky, kind of Iky about like, that we're still doing the iPhone events and the way that we were doing them. Like I actually, when Google was like, everybody was leaking the Pixel 4 and they're like, here's the Pixel 4, I was like, everybody was leaking the Pixel 4 and they're like, here's the Pixel 4, I was like, this is actually cool,

because we've been doing it the same way forever and it's like, it doesn't work. It's like, you're jerking off in no work with this, no orgasm, you know what I mean? And it's not the good kind, it's not fun. You know, like, you're not edging. You're not edging. It's just like, we get it, it's a fucking phone.

And by the way, this is, this is, and I said this when he wrote his thing, and I also was talking about a little bit because I'm gouging out a thing about how the Pixel's the worst kept secret. And it's like, yeah, but like, it being a secret is like no longer a special or meaningful thing.

Like, things used to be a secret when they were doing these announcements, when there was like, when there was going to be something that we had truly never seen before. And now it's like Apple's camera stuff is really cool and like useful and I'm excited about it. But like in the way that I'd be excited if like, I got a new, like I got an email from Apple

and they're like our new iPhone is available. Here's its features. Like my level of excitement would be the same. Well, the company that's truly cracked the code on this is Nintendo just drops a YouTube video. Yeah, there's something interesting about that. I just think that there is like, let's, how would you modernize this process? Because everyone expects to get a new iPhone.

Everyone knows there's going to be a new iPhone. The iPhone innovations are not like leapfrog innovations at this point. If I were Apple, I would start like, I would slow this down to a two, every two year thing. And I would make each of those events really special like Yeah, I would make the new design of a phone completely new designs get keynote addresses and Would you address why you have a notch and you show it off? But when it's the exact same form factor with different colors and you've changed the name and it's slightly thicker earth in Ericksoner like we can get into the nitty gritty of the news

It's just not as interesting and it doesn't thicker earthener. Like, we can get into the nitty gritty of the news. It's just not as interesting, and it doesn't feel like, it feels like I'm being promised something that you're not delivering on. So I'm disappointed. I think it's one of these things where, I think about this all the time, I was actually talking to Laura about this last night

about concept cars, and I was saying, you know, it's, concept cars are so crazy to me because like every auto show, the major auto makersakers are like make these cars and they're like imagine they're like in the future cars could be like this. It's like someday someone will make a car like this and I'm like, hey, assholes, like you made a car like this. Like why aren't you making cars like this?

And I actually think this is where Tesla like figured something out that kind of no one else did, which is like, make the concept car. I was talking to Joel Johnson, who is a famous gadget blogger, but then also an auto dude, he ran like Gochering, or whatever, or was a senior person there. We were talking last night actually about the new defender. There's a new Land Rover Defender.

It's supposed to be like a throwback to the classic Defender that everybody's like has talked about. And it's kind of a dud, I think, you know, like in terms of, it's like not as cool as like they want it to be, but it's like, so think of all the ways that these things could be different, that the ways that we've done things versus the ways that you could do things now, like the kind of supply chain and global marketplace that exists now, did not exist when the idea of concept cars was first a thing, right?

The kind of technology we have is so much more advanced. So, let's stop, why do we have to keep doing the iPhone event or the concept car, where it's like you're doing the same thing, you've been doing it for 10 fucking years or for 50 fucking years. Like let's switch it up. To me, Apple could do so many interesting things with these events, right?

They could like tease out, they could ask questions of the audience as instead of saying we're delivering you this thing. They could be like, here's materials we're experimenting with, we want feedback on this, or they could like say, here's like concepts that we're playing with, and we want to know, you know, like you could actually start to engage. And that would actually be so fun. How fucking crazy. All the ideas Apple presented, which ones do you like? And then they get feedback,

and people are commenting, and all those ideas get thrown out there. And then in two months, they drop a YouTube video of their selected design. I mean, I know they don't do it that way. I know they're not like Kickstarter or whatever, but I do think there's something. It would be kind of fun. But we live, but I just think we live in a world where certain things are moving faster. And we have an opportunity to just change the way, and I just think the Apple events, there's something that's so self-aggrandizing

and so weirdly, icky and gross about them. Like, you know, I don't know how many fucking times I can hear Phil Schiller or Tim Cook say, this is our most advanced, this is the most advanced iPhone we've ever made. It's like, no shit dude. Every time you announce the new iPhone it's the most advanced iPhone you've ever made because like, that's it. That's the new iPhone. But that's not the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,000 on this? And their answer is usually, will your phone is two years old or it's faster than has a better camera? And I understand that it's faster than has a better camera. The one from last year was faster than has a better camera. But you need to explain to people what about this phone is any different or would change

their day to day lives. I've seen people complaining being like, what even is a pro phone? Because most people don't need those features and I understand pros do, but if you're a pro, you're not taking pictures on a phone. So I don't understand like, here's my thing. And I know that we've talked about this before, but I don't know if I ever talked about this on the show.

People get really annoyed when I say that, I wish that reviewers or like video reviews or fucking anybody giving live commentary, like the nightly news, giving live commentary on the new features, they complain if it's missing a feature we expected, like Apple didn't switch from the lightning charger, or this phone's missing GPS back in the day, whatever it was, they would complain that a feature was missing. The real feature missing for Apple for most tech companies, the real solution outside of just battery technology is shitty. The game changer would be something environmentally

friendly and something affordable and something environmentally friendly. That's affordable. Or how about, I mean, how about, I mean, we type it all the time. First of all, I think the software, I will say this, like Apple software has lagged. It's lagged in so many ways. Now I'm just like, I can't fucking believe the iPhone works the way it does sometimes. But beyond that, the, you know, like the materials question, I'm so fucking, you made a beautiful phone, but like it, it's still great. Like, let's put it this way, like, there's like like a camera is like, are built really, really like to withstand a lot of shit.

Like you can drop them, nothing you should, but you can and they'll like, they will, in many cases like survive. They're not all made of glass. So you keep making phones out of glass. Like that's a really fucking bad material for a phone. It's bad for your consumers. But also, like what's the point of doing a phone

that's beautiful if everybody has to hide it? But also, here's the thing. All of these devices have been the same materials in mostly the same colors until recently, and they do the same things since the iPhone 6. But when I watch that keynote address, I feel two things. One, I feel the impact financially that I'm going to be hit by, but I have to do it because it's part of my job and I need a new phone, mine's two years old. But so that's part of it. But the other part of it, I think a lot of people feel, is that this is really out of touch and out of step with what the moment is. The moment is, frankly, that we are all worried about climate change and already grieving the planet. We are all worried about politics and tariffs and international relations. And rather than address any of the issues that people have with Apple, they're happy to address big level issues when they already have solutions done.

And it's just about marketing. So like privacy, they already had their tech solutions rolled out. So it was just about getting the message to people and letting them hear that they're not like Facebook or whatever. But the big problems, the things that they really need solutions to. Back in the day, it was like, you know, your iPod and your phone are hurtling towards each other. They needed a solution to the problem, which was to combine the two.

And they did and they nailed it. They knocked out of the park. It changed the world. Right now, the climate and our politics and the economy are running and they're about to collide with the way that we use technology. They're about to collide with the culture around consumerism and capitalism, and rather than be in step with the moment and be like, listen, we're not just greenwashing, we're not just pretending like we have a great recycling program, whatever.

We're actually making substantive differences in changes. The phone this year is very similar to last year's, but when you buy it, you can feel good knowing that you bought something that's new, that is modern, just like the other phones, but ours is actually good for the environment. ours is actually affordable. I mean, we have a real recycling program. So when you trade your phone in with us, you can feel good about it. And they pretend to do that stuff, but they don't actually innovate in that space. And it bothers me because they feel good about it. And they pretend to do that stuff, but they don't actually innovate in that space. And it bothers me because they seem to be listening.

Like they made their phone thicker, rather than thinner this time, for more battery. And that's awesome. You know, to me, like they actually, that the boldest, most interesting, some most surprising thing about the new iPhone, which I feel like I would have like, I think they should have been like, we did,

maybe they did, I don't remember if they mentioned it. They made the phone, like the largest have like, I think they should have been like, we did, maybe they did, I don't remember if they mentioned it. They made the phone, like the largest, a new iPhone, the Pro is larger than the last, like, top of the line. It's larger, and I think it almost every dimension. And they made it thicker, and they gave it, like, what is it, like, an additional five hours of battery life? Which is like literally the best thing

that they've done in fucking forever. And then included fast charger, which why did that take so long? Right. But that actually substantively changes people's user experience. I agree. I had a friend come to me three months ago, three months ago, and she's not tech savvy at all. She can barely, she's a podcast that she can barely work. But she said to me, I never realized that what an external charger is. And now I have one and it has changed my day to day because I used to constantly worry about my phone and charging it and that I like that I didn't run out of battery. And now my whole life is different.

And then she said, but why don't they just build that in with the phone? And I was like, the fact that that occurs to you. So I'm glad to see them listening on that front. Like that's it. No, I think you changed. Yeah, I think that I think that they actually are doing some things that are closer to the right thing. It's just the way they present and the way they focus.

I just think here's the thing. We've been doing this a long time. I think change is good. And I am so bored of this whole world of like everybody goes there and they play along with the announcement. We're fucking watching Frogger? Like, yeah, we all know what Frogger is. Why are we doing this for 90 minutes? But also, you know, they're streaming it now.

And so like the press coverage needs to change, in my opinion, like the way it's talked about needs to change. Like everybody in the world, there were two million people watching this stream, which obviously there's a demand for like, what's Apple gonna announce. There are a lot of nerds on the internet, okay? Two million people out of all of the nerds on the internet is not that many, it's a lot of people, but I'm just saying like, yes, of course,

there's gonna be enthusiasts who wanna watch every moment of it and I totally get that. Well, we're also like all nerds and most people are interested in what the phone is, but don't have the time or the inclination to sit for 90 minutes and hear about Frogger. Right. Like most people are at work at that time.

And so if there was a way to deliver that message that wasn't, here's a like fucking speech to the faithful. Here's me testifying to the Apple faithful and the biggest nerds and the people who are working in IT and have the time at lunch to watch. Instead of doing that and then having those people disseminate the information, which is super 2008, how about you just have an accessible way, like by a half hour on NBC and have like celebrities fucking come out and be like, okay, we have, these people asking hard questions

of our people completely, this isn't a planned PR, info-mursal, it's literally just Kristen Bell, we're gonna show her the phone for the first time, she's gonna ask her upfront questions about, what are you doing to address this? When I use my phone, I need whatever matter. Do you sort of like a stunt or something? So it's interesting.

Well, I don't know if they did just that. I well, I don't know if they need to do a stunt. I don't know if I agree that they need to do a stunt. No, I don't mean a stunt. I just mean try different ideas. Yeah, I don't need to be perfectly big. Like, let's just try some. Right. You're a monopoly.

Yeah, I think that is this. I think it is like this to me is like a lot of my frustration with Apple and like, and the phone and just ever how they do things is generally speaking. It's so boring now and so obvious and so expected and you could take some risks because like the risks honestly, like the risks are not that huge for you at this point.

And so like maybe you might discover something new. Like, you know, I mean, they're doing this Apple TV stuff. I, you know, which I'm like, okay, cool, great. Like another thing. They're giving everybody a year free of it, which is a really good way to get people to pay whatever it is, $5 a month or something at the end of the year trial.

If there's anything worth turning into there, we'll find out. But like, okay, that's interesting, ish. You know, but I just think there could be some. I'll say this, but when it comes to the substantive, what did they put in their phones? Other than the fact that they haven't become anymore eco-friendly and everything is overpriced,

I do like the announcements. I like that the cameras look fantastic, although there's no way for me to actually know that until I have it in my hand, because there's no way through YouTube compressed stream that I'm going to understand what kind of pictures you're showing. But that would be interesting. I really like the watch updates.

I think those have really actually changed the way people use their watches. But the watch, all those watch updates are not available on the previous models, I correct? Correct. It's really annoying. You get the software ones. I think the hardware ones obviously. Well, but I mean, the always on display, I don't understand why there's any reason why they couldn't do that on the older.

I mean, they're all, I think it's about power usage. I get a different kind of screen technology. Yeah, no, it's not a different kind of screen technology, is it? I mean, I feel like, I feel like this is one of those things where they're like, we finally have been able to do it. It's like, but you're using OLED on both the screens. And isn't that the thing that allows you to do the kind of ambient display stuff? Like I'm actually going to look at the comparison right now.

I don't know if they do that. Well, I like the phone. I love the chip. I love that the A13 is just a donk on top of a donk on top of a donk. Like there's so far ahead in chip technology. I really like, I think the new colors look good. I like the matte back. Like all of that Apple arcade sounds interesting. Like I'm willing to give it a go. What I can't are they letting people do third-party faces now or

not? No. They have new faces. You can do the thing where you can use a picture as a background and then use templates for faces. No. You can kind of make your own. It's so insane. It's so insane. They're not letting people do third-party faces. Well, it's insane that they're not letting people do third party phases. Well, it's insane that they have the greatest chipset in a mobile device ever on the face of the earth. And I can't run a fucking Game Boy emulator. Okay, well, but I mean, you know, that's a,

that's a, there's so annoying. But that's a whole other, that's a whole other. That's a perfectly legal thing. But it's a good reminder. I guess so you're really in a rage this morning. I feel like you're very fired up about this. Because Apple is in a position that none of this

would impact their bottom line and it would actually impact the way the world works and the way I use my device. But the thing that bothers me, but the thing is like Game Boy emulator is, I mean, they can't do a Game Boy emulator because you can't side load shit onto the, I mean, you can't,

it's like, it opens up this whole thing about like, so I side load pirated videos onto VLC. Okay, I mean, that's why I can't use a perfectly legal app. Like that kind of stuff. The reason it bothers me is that Apple is on top of the world still and they're getting lazier and more calcified. And although I'm still engaged with the product line, I'm still someone purchasing their ecosystem. Like I don't want anyone coming for me and saying that I hate Apple because I own all their products. Yeah. The bothers me. They will. They are going all their products. The father's name is that.

No, they are going to come for you. The father's name is that this company could do big things and barely notice it, but it would change the face of the world. If Apple, as a leader, said like, tech devices need to be carbon neutral, that would actually change the face of technology. It would be so engaging to regular people. It would make me excited about the brand and they would actually be able to lead in that area. They have the money, the expertise to do it.

And the fact that they don't just tells me that they're less and less the company that I fell in love with. Well, I mean, listen, you know, it's the things change. I mean, they can't be, you know, they can't be the great innovators forever. I mean, maybe they're, you know, maybe it's just like someone else has to come along. But I mean, at this point, like these innovations are so, they're so minuscule.

Like the watch stuff, like an always on display, it's great. It's great. It's good. Other watches have it always on display. That's, they're not, it's not their innovation. But it's like, it's Apple, so people have to pay attention. All right, let's not tell It's great. It's good. It's like other watches have it always on display. That's they're not there. It's not their innovation, but it's like it's Apple. So people have to pay attention. All right. Let's not tell you about Apple. I'm actually very bored. Like even just talking about I'm like, all right, whatever What is there to say? Like, you know, you're gonna get the new phone. You're gonna be annoyed with the same things the cameras I will say this the camera stuff seems awesome. I think it's great, but I think the video stuff is really interesting

I think that you know, one of the things that's funny about apples, they show these things like this effect, this whatever the effect is where they like, whites out the background and makes like the foreground very polarized. Or yeah, it's like, that's a cool effect. But the ones everybody's doing that, it's not that cool. Like it's one of those things where it's like, that's the problem with apples, that like if everybody can do it, it's not that cool. Like, it's one of those things where it's like, that's the problem with Apple, is that like, if everybody can do it, it's not interesting. And it's like, you see it in a magazine layout,

you're like, wow, like, this is a beautiful interesting photo effect, but like if everybody's putting it on their Instagram timeline, it's like, pretty, like, not interesting, and also becomes really expected and obvious and boring and gross. So I think that's the problem with them,

like they always have these things, like portrait, I've never seen anybody, I've never seen anybody, by the way, use the portrait mode thing where they, you do like a mask. I literally never seen anybody post that anywhere. The only thing I see people do is the like depth, like where they do the added like depth,

like that boring. Yes, of course. If people do that, but they But nobody's ever done the work. They're like the lighting effects. No, I've never seen anybody use it ever. So maybe it's not a big issue. Wait a second, can we talk about hold on? There's a bunch of stuff on our list.

Oh, well, there was a big debate last night. Big president. Yes, we were. I didn't watch it. I'm just gonna tell you, I honestly forgot. I mean, I knew what was happening and then I started playing Astral Chain and you know, I just got really wrapped up in that game, which is totally insane and I didn't watch it. What happened?

Did you watch it? I watched it. Tell me about it. Listen, I could go into the ins and outs of who scored a point here and who said this thing, but it was basically the stuff you've heard from all these candidates, except for the fact my big takeaway was Joe Biden truly embarrassed himself. I heard Joe Biden was like completely off the rails. Like, can you think? He looks like he is in some kind of, this sounds mean, but since he's running for the most important office in the world, I have to be honest. It seems like he's in some kind of cognitive decline. He seems way out of touch, even if he was completely

all there. He kept slipping up, and mixing up his words, and getting confused at one point. Other presidential candidates had to explain what was going on to him. What? Dentures fell out. No, shut up.

This is after, this is after, did he get you, didn't fall out? Yes, they did. And he had to pop them back in his mouth before continuing to talk. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Yeah, he didn't fall out. Yes, they did. And he had to pop them back in in his mouth before continuing to talk. No, no, no, no, no, no, that didn't. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, I kept up in his mouth.

And he had to like use his tongue to keep them back on. And then fucking this is after last week when his blood vessel burst in his eye while talking about climate change at a town hall event. Like this is we are at the point We're like and then I wake up and I wake up and newspapers are keeping for him They're like Joe Biden had a bad night, but he did what he had to do and he's still the front runner It's like can you shut up? Okay, but here's the problem Here is the problem and I'm gonna just get really real right now folks

The New York Times did this this article which I think is sort of silly, and it's like, it's like the, how memes like stole democracy or whatever, and it's like this thing about like, how every candidate has their like memes, and then it's like, Joe Biden's got no memes, and it's like,

and yet Joe Biden is actually the person who like in all polling is like at the front, at the forefront. Now, like the reality is, the people who watch and comment on the debates online are not the electorate. They just aren't. I'm sad, I'm sorry to say it, but maybe I'm not. But like the electorate is like 50 and 60

and 70 year old people, like those are the people who go vote. And those are the people who are like watching. That's why, I mean, it's partially why Trump is president. Okay, there are a lot of old, crusty motheruckers going to the polls and voting, you know, going to, into the voting booth. There are not as many young people who love Bernie going weirdly, you know, it's like the numbers are there. Look at the fucking numbers.

Like, I want young people to vote. And if young people voted, one, we would not have to worry about a Trump presidency again. And two, we could have like really radical candidates. We could have rapid, but the reality is, I know what you're saying. Well, if they never get the nomination, it's like, okay, I got it. But like, if young people go out to vote, they can then have like an impact in the overall process. Like, I'm not saying the young people don't vote

at all, some people do. But like we've got to get, like there's got to be some way, by the way in other countries, like huge percentages of the population go out and vote, like almost everybody votes in a lot of other countries. And our country, it's like literally illegal to not vote in our country. In our country, it's like a nice, yeah,

maybe I'll do it, I don't know. It's like it's like I'm exercising my- People have like freeing a good deed. Yeah, I'm, I'm exercising my blood. People have like, freeing a good deed. Yeah, I'm like, I'm exercising my personal freedom by sitting home or whatever. And it's like, I just think that the issue is that right now is like, I understand that, by the way, I'm like, I would prefer

a different candidate than Biden. If I knew that the people who actually vote would get behind that candidate, so I don't give a fuck who it is actually, because I think across the board right now, we need somebody who is just not Donald Trump running the country. We need somebody who has a brain. Even if their brain is malfunctioning like Joe Biden seems to be, I will take Joe Biden's

malfunctioning brain and the people around Joe Biden over Trump. Just, I'm just going to say that. And I just want to be clear, like we should all think that way. But he's not the ideal candidate for this moment, right? There are people that we... I'm really depressed because Elizabeth Warren, I know you know that I like her and you like her and I get it, but the thing is,

is it's like she's the only person I see on that stage who I think older people and younger people can agree that they're a little bit excited about. They, all of them are at least a little bit. Some of us are more excited, some of us are less, but we're at least all in agreement that she would be pretty good. Joe, it's so polarizing and I don't want to divide those, us generationally, and I don't want it to be young people are mad at him and hate him. And then we just do Hillary again. But it's sort of insane.

It is. It is. It is. We can't live through this again. I just want to say, I would like to say something. Can I may I? Biden, Sanders, Warren, all 70 or older, okay? They're old. By the way, experience is good. Experience is really good. But like Obama was a really young president. I think a pretty fucking great one. I think we could stand to have somebody who like, you know, like knows how to upgrade like their smartphone.

Like I think we know it'd be great. That's Pete, Pete and Julian. No, I mean, I mean, there are in the Castro. I mean, even, even Harris, no, I'm saying like, there are several younger candidates in the running, in Buttigieg, obviously, I mean, I don't think Buttigieg is, I don't think, I kind of don't see him being the candidate. You know, like, I think it's a top

to be like, secretary of state first. I mean, I think he's, yeah, I think it's a little bit, it's like low on the experience side. It's a little bit, like I don't know that he appeals to every voter like on the Democratic. Like I think there's like a lot, I think there are a lot of voters that would be just be a little bit like, you know, he's pretty white. He's pretty like inexperienced. He's kind of like buttoned up and

conservative in a way that I think a lot of people. I actually think he's great. He's super smart. I would love for him to be president. I'm just saying like, but could we just get somebody who's a little bit younger than 70? That would be interesting. Now, having said that, I think that Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders are by far superior candidates to Joe Biden just in terms of just their raw politics. Like in terms of their raw positions on the issues, I don't think that either one of them are perfect, but I would greatly accept either one of them over Joe Biden.

Now, the problem is, Joe Biden keeps pulling ahead. You know, he keeps an old people keep going like, oh, I like him. They're like, I'm comfortable with him. You know, he's like, he's very well-liked in lots of different communities. I mean, Joe Biden is like, literally is like, he is a person that people know and feel comfortable with

and that goes a long fucking way. So we're dealing with this weird situation where if we were running against any normal Republican, like, if like there was just like a Mitt Romney situation going on, you feel like the stakes, you know, the stakes are so fucking high. If it was Mitt Romney who was the president, you know, he also sucks, but he's definitely not Trump.

You know, it'd be like like well, let's try a Candidate that like maybe let's let's put Sanders in because we don't really know You know we could try something new here But everybody's like God so fucking scared the Trump's gonna get reelected They're like okay, what's the surest thing and right now for the for the for the Democratic party? Biden is as close as is the closest sure thing they have. Like that's the fucking problem and I don't know what you do about that.

I mean, you need a generation of a, you need a couple of generations of like democratic leadership to get some new blood. Like the problem is that we've had like, we keep going back to the sure things because the stakes are always, like we've gotten to a place where like, literally like the vote is like 50 50 in this country.

Like how does that fucking happen? You know, I'll tell you how it happened. Young people don't fucking vote. They don't fucking vote. If they voted, it wouldn't be 50 50. Democrats would win every time and then we could fucking have some more daring candidates step in. I mean, not to be the person that does it, but you're running.

Yeah. No, Bernie makes a point when he talks about that we need an actual revolution. Like, we actually need an overwhelming amount of people to be like, this is not a good state of a figure. Yes. And put people in place that will set up a new state of affairs that might not always benefit them, but that is correct, like morally correct. But it's very simple. Listen, Sanders didn't win in New York, okay? He didn't win New York. Do you know what I'm saying? I'm saying, like, if Sanders is going to be the candidate, he has to win New York. I know, but what I'm saying is, so Biden can win the primary doesn't mean that he's going to win the election. I'm saying mobilize the fucking young people to go out and vote like mother fuckers. And I think if you get, I feel like if you get all the young

people who are fired up about Bernie to go and vote. Bernie. I'm sick of, I'm sick. I'm sick of hearing about how old people can't have open minds, how old people don't want to hear about anything different. Old people can't be expected to listen and make sense and research things and understand that the way things have

been working isn't, I'm just sick of people saying, I can't be bothered to give a shit about young people and the future of the fucking climate. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the fact that it needs to be young people to show up in whatever, I'm not mad at you. No, no, no, no, I'm sorry, but it does.

Let's get real hot on it. No wait, but young people are the, the young, the youth are the people who one are inheriting the fucking world and two need to change it. I'm sorry, but like the older you get, and the smaller, but why can't old people, why can't boomers for once?

For once and they're fucking disgusting, crusty. All right, hold on, let's see. Let's see, we got a lot of boomer listeners. Okay, let's respect our, I don't give a shit. Fuck it, walk me on Twitter. Why the fuck can't any of those people show up and Read the newspaper and be like hmm those Joe Biden ideas gave us Trump if for the last two decades since fucking

Carter left the Carter administration has resulted in Trump and if we keep pursuing this like center right Democratic party it's probably not gonna end well So why don't I for once before I leave this planet, give something else a go. Let's just, you know, let's get crazy. I'm going to be dead in 10 years anyway. Let's throw my thing at that crazy upstart Elizabeth Warren, who's 70 years old. Why is that such a stretch for old people? Why does it have to be young people to be like, all right, I'll compromise and vote for

Hillary Clinton. And it's my fault if I don't turn out. But if old people don't turn out for Bern and Elizabeth, that's not their fault, they're just demographically expected to do what they'll do. Do you know what I mean? It's like, I'm just sick of this. It seems like a false dichotomy

and boomers getting a pass again. Listen, I understand that you're mad. Okay, you're clearly a very mad. I am. But the reality of the world is this. The reality of America is this, okay. The boomers go and vote. Okay, they just do.

And they like to vote for things that are comfortable. So why don't we start out with this program? That older people. Yes, but change is scary to older people. I understand what you're saying, but like if things are okay or if they're like a little bit bad But they feel like they can be a little bit better. It's not the same thing is going like you can't expect and by the way This is just like It just is what it is you can expect the vast majority of of of a certain age range to suddenly adopt a totally new way of thinking there is a

look Revolution happens for a reason. Real revolution, which is typically violent revolution. I mean, when we talk about revolutions occurring, historic revolutions are violent over-throws of established orders. Now, unless we want to go to violent over-throw established order, which I don't think we're at yet in this country, though I do think we are closer than maybe we've ever been in the last several hundred years. I think we need to think about how revolution happens in an incremental way. Like the problem with, my gripe with the hardcore socialists of the country, and again, I want

to say I'm pro socialism in many, many things. Not in everything, but in many things. You can't, it's not going, you're not going to get, even if Bernie becomes president. Now, there are a lot of things will change. And I want somebody as radical as Bernie Sanders as president because I think we need that kind of like, the reality is like he's going to get

like 25% of all the things that he wants to do done. Like it's not going to be there's going to be a pushback from like centrist fucking Democrats from the Republicans and like collectively he won't be able to get done all of the stuff that he wants to get done, but he'll make a dent and he'll make some changes that have like a strong incremental sort of alteration to our current situation. And I think like we need the incremental and we need to believe in incremental, I understand that people wanted to change overnight, but it isn't gonna happen that way. You have hundreds of years of this,

like leadership in this country built around a system. The system cannot be smashed. The smashing of the system is what Trump is doing and it's fucking bad. And it's been done through like force and Deceit and corruption and it's not good like we need to use the system to our advantage But like it's not going to be tomorrow Bernie is signing every all these executive orders that make socialism happen in this country

It just is not possible to do I'm not saying it's impossible to do some of it, and I'm not saying that over time, all of it can't be done, but you just have to like, we have to accept that it's not going to happen up with the next candidate. It isn't going to be Bernie's legacy. It's not going to be that he reved, like, created a revolution that changed the face of America. Bernie's legacy will be that he opened the door to the revolution, and the revolution will happen over a series of a generation of candidates and like the AOCs of the world. There's gonna be a point where she's gonna run for fucking president and that's gonna be an amazing point

and she'll have learned an amazing amount of shit in her time and she has a very radical view on how we should be treating politics in this country and that's gonna affect serious change over time. But like we need a whole army of AOCs to be running and to be getting elected. All of that comes true by wanting it now and faster and demanding it.

The people who know that that's what we need. I agree. I think the way that you do that is not through being like, well, I guess I'll have to vote for Joe Biden if he wins right now. I think right now we need to be like, I don't want to vote for that person, get our shit together and get angry. And then if it comes to it, then decide and probably

decide that we're going to have to vote for him. But up until that point, I don't want to be, I don't want to get complacent yet. I still have a year to go to grant my grandparents and go to my brothers and be like, hey guys, both you need to get your shit together because we need to cancel out my dad's fucking vote because we can all agree, it shouldn't be my dad who decides like the fate of the world and it shouldn't be that whole demographic and he's definitely voting. So if you guys could show up and vote for the candidate

that actually gets both of you excited, like I don't wanna get complacent yet. We're not at that, you know how before I was in my listening phase, I am now out of my listening phase and I am in my, we have to fucking push and get desperate and try phase. And when the primary is over, then I'll decide if I'm in a new phase. For right now, I fucking hate Joe Biden. I think he's going to lose if he gets the, if he wins the primary, he will lose the

election. I don't know. I don't know. I've talked to him in four years. Okay, but I've literally had conversations with people who voted for Trump and they're like, yeah, Joe Biden's okay. They literally, something literally said to me. They're saying that, but when it comes down to actual voting day, they're gonna get in that booth

and they're gonna say, I mean, I think we can make, we can make, we can make all these assumptions so you wanna make right now. At the end of the day, like, look, I mean, thinking fatalistically is not going to help us here. I mean, we need to think about like, what's the best path to, like, I'm sorry, but it is the number one problem

is we need to get Trump out of the fucking White House, okay? And like, we need to use every, like, every piece of data available to us to figure out what that looks like. If it can be Sanders, let it be Sanders. Like, if Sanders can win New York, if he can win major states, like, they are fucking primaries for a reason. Okay?

Joe Biden doesn't own the primaries. If the, if people come out and vote, if we think we can affect real change, if enough people come out and vote, uh, Sanders can be the candidate. Elizabeth Warren can be the candidate. It's like, this is not an impossible task. They need to get their teams fired up on the ground in the places where primaries are going to be fought. They need to win in those places. This is, it's not the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the's like, if he can win the fucking primary, become the candidate, why can't Sanders?

And don't tell me it's the organization. You know, like, so you see people out voting. If people are so electrified by Sanders or Warren or anybody else, they have to go vote. That's it, that's all that has to happen. You have to vote for the person that you want to lead the country. And if enough people vote for the-

That's all I want to say. That was the only point was to get to the message of that should be, or like, are the unifying message of the Democrats right now needs to be, let's get engaged and excited and actually, like, let's get, let's do some shit. I was going to say about this racist new SNL cast member. Well, I woke up to the news that former housewives live here for drama cast member, and my friend Bo and Yang,

is the first Asian cast member for SNL. He's also queer and one of a few gay men who have graced SNL's stage and the first actually hired while Lauren Michaels was working at the show. 40 years, they've never had an Asian cast member. And they've only had one gay guy who was closeted at the time that the creator of the show

and current showrunner didn't hire. Real depressing. But anyway, he's now a cast member. Amazing, so good. Weighted a few hours, came back to Twitter, found out that another person they hired to be on the show is a homophobic or racist who specifically hates Asian people. And I mean, it's not good. I mean, it doesn't feel good. It's like, first of all, I mean, I don't want to be like, I don't want to be like, you know,

pro-cancelled culture more than necessary, but I have to say, it's a really good signal to send. I just want to say, if anybody's listening from SNL, it's fine to fire this guy. It's good to fire him. It's a really good signal to send that like, what they always do though is stick them into a, like, a waiter role and then they, like, at the end of the season, they're like, buy, maybe they have a contract, they can't just fire them. I don't know. I feel like, well, maybe they have a contract, they can't just fire them. I don't know, I feel like that should be a violation.

But like, yeah. I think NBC Universal can eat it on one of their hits shows. I would just say like, it's a really, what is really a good signal to send to the entire world and to the comedy space. It's not like we're trying to silence people. If you've, I watched like a little bit of this guy, like this guy on a podcast

to just so I could understand what was going on. It's like these aren't jokes. They're not like, he's not like, he's not like, I don't like dealing with, or being around people. He's not like, I have an important joke, like a setup that just requires me to use this racist term because this very racist slur against Asian people

because it's like, it actually is like because it actually is highlighting a larger hypocrisy or some kind of, it's nothing like that. He just likes to use the slur because it's funny. This person's a fucking dumbass. I don't care. He called Julio Torres, who is a current writer on the show and a comedian with his own comedy special out now, and HBO show called Los Espucis, who is a current writer on the show and a comedian with his own comedy special out now and

HBO show called Los Ispookies who is a big star who works on SNL He called him several weeks ago a gay slur. Okay. I mean how is that working situation gonna happen? I just how do those two people work together like I don't understand these places that don't like do a Google Yeah, all of this is available on his first page of Google results. I think the, I think the like what would be really good is for SNL to actually be very vocal in like, I don't think this guy deserves to have a job on SNL. I think like if that's their idea, he made these statements 11 months.

Yeah. I think if like, I think if like you can't do comedy without like, just like literally if like you're part of your, what you think is your comedic act is just to like, use racial slurs without any like, not actually being part of a joke, you're just saying them. Like I think it sets a pretty bad precedent in general for both SNL and for the comedy space.

Like, yeah, it also means you're not good at doing comedy. Let's just put it this way, like the greatest comedians, the, some of the greatest comedians in the world were able to establish their careers without doing that shit, you know? And so like, I think, let's just, let's just all get away from this idea that like, there's some like, freedom that must, they must be allowed. Also by the way, the worst thing that ever happened in the world, one of the worst things that's ever happened is that we made, we were like comedians, our truth tellers,

and we did this whole thing in the last decade. I love you, George Harlan, but you fucked us up. No, it's like, yeah, we did this thing over the last 10 or 20 years where we raised this, the comedians, finally, there's the voice. John Stewart's the only guy telling the real news. Like, like comedians are like the truth tellers and the the soothsayers and like they are the people who hold the, you know, the public, they take the public sort of what's out there,

the zeitgeist and Bob in it can package it into a way that everybody can understand. It's like, shut the fuck up. It's like they're telling jokes. I love a good, I love a good thing to tell you. like every comedian has is funny because of a coping mechanism they developed because they're mentally ill people. And maybe everything mentally ill people think and do isn't like, it's like, I don't wanna be rude.

I think comedy is really important, but like they're not like the great philosophers of our time. It's like everybody like has these, like we all have these instincts. Comedians are really good at like taking the like They're the thing that makes their friends laugh and putting it up on stage and making groups of people laugh But like that does not make you like fucking play though, you know

And so like I think we need to just chill out with the lionizing of Comedians it's why like people are like Lucy. Okay. How do how could how could you you know He's canceled his whole career is ruined. It's like this Dave Chappelle ship where he's like, it's whole career, it's like, yeah dude, like when you jerk off, like forced people to watch you jerk off, like you maybe don't get to have an awesome comedy career anymore. Like it's a possibility that that's an inappropriate

thing to do and you just don't get to do whatever you want. It also just is in conflict with your job because if I went to go see someone to make me laugh and that person makes me think about rape the entire time, I'm not gonna laugh, so you're disqualified from doing the job. You just can't do the job. It's as if I had my vocal cords damaged

and I worked at a drive-thru. Well, guess what? You can't tell people, thank you, pull up to the next window. You're not able to do the job. So maybe there's another position for you, but you're not gonna be funny. And this guy is both not funny,

good enough at his job to not use those slurs. And now that he has, I'm gonna be uncomfortable the entire time I watch. Yeah, yeah, so making that show, like it's, it drags everybody down. And so I think it's just a good message to send to all young comedians. I want all young comedians to get this message.

If you think part of your comedy act is using casual racial slurs in conversation where you're not even trying to make a fucking joke Where you just think it's like you're just goofing around like you shouldn't get a job at SNL He shouldn't be eligible for the job at SNL Like I think you've got to be really exceptional to be put on TV every week with some of like the best greatest comedians in the world Like Keenan Thompson. I'm like fucking unbelievable greatest comedians in the world, like Keenan Thompson, I'm like fucking unbelievable comedian and actor. You don't get to be on TV with him

if like you're a fucking racist asshole. Like I just think that's how we should think of it. And it should be the message that all new comedians get. It's like you can be dang cook or you can be a good comedian. You know, choose wisely. Anyhow, I assume dang cook has done a bunch of racist stuff.

I don't really know, but I have to imagine he's got some like mus muslim bits or something. Like, maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I don't know, I haven't been following how to do Dane Cook. Shit, anyhow. I'm, all right, what else is going on? Let's talk.

Do you want to talk about the Caroline Calloway thing? No, I don't. I don't actually because no real human means care about it. And people care about our people in media, that's my opinion. Caroline Calloway out of,, I don't. I don't actually because no real human means care about it. And people care about our people in media, that's my opinion. Caroline Calloway out of still not sure who she is. She's like an influencer. She writes Instagram captions that are Tweet

and Manic Pixie Dream Girl, and she uses it as like a personal essay vehicle. And she was like an American abroad who like kissed boys. And like that was her thing. And like, you know, how about it? She got a book deal, the book deal fell through was like an American abroad who like kissed boys and like that was her thing and like you have out it. She got a book deal, the book deal fell through because she was mentally ill and like a drug addict who couldn't like deliver on the manuscript and then she had this controversy where she booked all these events that sounded like a mentally ill drug addicted Instagram influencer

who's never lived in the real world planned them them. Of course, they didn't work or go off correctly because it's really hard to plan a tour for anybody. So she refunded all the tickets, but then we were all excited about scams at the time. We were like, fire festival. So everyone was like, she's a terrible person and she did this on purpose. The truth of that is, maybe she's a bad person, but was the person who did her own like faster whatever is that who it is? Yeah, not Tana Mangao. She was the one who did like the creative work, creativity workshops here. And she was like trying to give people salads, whatever. And so everyone decided she was a scammer, even though like I mean, she sounds incompetent, but not necessarily like a bad person. Well, her old ghost writer and or co-writer or whatever, like just a friend that worked on her with her on her

writing early on in her Instagram days wrote like a quote-unquote like tell all personal essay about their friendship dynamic and frankly They both sound like horrible people, but it is very much like I think it is sort of revealing that we like live in an age of like, both of those people are trying to use the other and also kind of friends in the meantime. And it kind of reminds me of like, the greed is good days where it's like positive feedback, like getting likes, being an influencer, being famous is good. And anything in pursuit of that is good. And like, we can use each other. And as long as we present as friends on Instagram,

like the friendship itself will follow. Like, if we present that, like, I'm a good writer, eventually, I will be like, fake it till you make it. It's like the opposite of imposter syndrome. It's like wanting to have written a book, wanting to be a good writer, wanting to be famous, and all of this stuff, without actually doing the work that requires, it would require, which is like you actually have to write the book to be an author, and then the whole workshops where you tell people

how to write a book. You have to have done it first. And both of these girls, one of which got the fame and the money, but still doesn't have the skill set. The other one has the skill set, but didn't get the fame and the money. And they're both sides of a coin that everybody is sort of chasing nowadays, and they resent each other for it. And it's sort of like, you know, if one twin was born with flight and the other twin

was born with super strength, you don't have Superman. And to hear those two people argue with each other about who did what to who and blah, sort of interesting because both of them are unhappy and unfulfilled with what they have. Meanwhile, like the more they fight and argue, the more they shit talk each other and point out the other ones flaws and who said this about who and how social networking impacted their friendship,

the more famous both of them get and sort of the more introspective they have to be. And they're like making each other into interesting media figures and writers with interesting life experiences through sheer frustration that they aren't. It's like this weird self-fulfilling, snake eating, it's tail, bizarre thing, and then when you step back a few pieces, you're like, oh my god, these white women need to come down.

Yeah. And that's like the overarching- I agree. That's all of it. That's like the whole kitten-caboodle I feel like of the situation where I don't like either of them. I don't know that anything too profound came out, but it is very of our time, and that's what makes it interesting. Yeah. The story? Yes. I mean, I don't have time to read it. I'm sure it's very good.

I just feel like we spend a lot of time talking about and thinking about people who aren't a thing that we're trying to make a thing. And I understand that having lots of followers, I had an interesting conversation with a person who runs a kind of large organization the other day. And I was like, do you know how PewDiePie is? And they were like, who is that? And I think it's good to remember that just because someone has 100 million subscribers on YouTube doesn't mean that they're actually well-known.

It's a different kind of transaction, you know? And I mean, obviously PewDiePie is well-known among certain groups of people. But there are a lot of people who don't know who the fuck he is. And I would say that Caroline... I mean, he's well-known enough to sign a deal with Disney. Yes, I know.

And also to lose the deal. But also here's the thing, but Caroline, but with each with each bit of attention we give Caroline Calloway, we help her dark energy gather. And is that really what we want in life? Is that a person that we want to gather energy around? I just think we choose we choose to elevate, okay? Whether it's negative elevation or positive elevation, we make decisions about it. And any story in New York magazine is an elevation of a person's profile and presence in the world, which is why Anna Delvie is even the her story is amazing. And that is actually like a truly like unbelievable in many ways story. You know, Anna Delvie is more well known now and more famous now than she's ever been. Sure, but we have to analyze the state of the culture and we have to analyze what's going

on with young people and I think we analyze it a little bit too much. The media's up its own ass. It loves a story that it believes the rest of the media is going to love. In fact, we wrote about this on the outline.com. You can check it out. We have a story about this, about the Caroline Calloway thing and how it, you know, it's like, doesn't it say that we want somebody to hold influencers

and hold that whole world to account and nobody is? And so we're so excited that this girl's trying to, even though she's doing it for cynical reasons. Because the world of influencers, I honestly, I believe is like extremely fleeting. I don't think it's real. I don't think it is. I don't think that I do not think Instagram

was a permanent place where people will go to like meet people that are famous. Like I don't, I think the famous people of the world are still really fucking famous for doing specific things. Making records, having TV shows. People that make my reality stars and now one of them is president.

Okay. But Donald Trump wasn't a reality star to start with. Donald Trump was a fucking rich person who did real estate in New York and was a billionaire. So let's, let's, let's, let's, let's be clear. Hold on a second. Let's not make crazy leaps. Donald Trump was a rich guy first

before he was anything from a rich family. Okay. Sure. Caroline Calloway was rich before, yes, but I'm saying what I'm saying is, if Caroline Calloway's destiny is to become president, her being an Instagram influencer will only have a small impact on the overall like issue. You would have thought that about the apprentice when it first came out, but in fact, it had a huge impact on making him president.

I think us being convinced that that's the future state of things is the part of the problem. I'm not saying it's gonna look how it looks now, but regular people becoming internet famous. Trump did not turn out 10 million new voters. He turned out the regular amount of Republican voters. They would vote for whoever the Republican nominee was, where it was helpful to Trump is that all of the people

he was running against were less famous than him. Fame matters, fame matters, but he got famous for the same reasons that regular people get famous. He came from money then and he got put on TV. The Kardashians came from money and got put on TV. Like it's very simple. Like we replace TV with the internet and it's the same thing. But we have a replaced TV with the internet because the biggest moments and the biggest most important things in pop culture still are TV and film and music. Rihanna, yeah, the trend on Twitter, but Caroline Calloway is not fucking trending on Twitter right now. Yes, she was number three in the US. I mean, maybe I don't know, but that's because a bunch of Netflix is not that far from YouTube and YouTube is not that far from Instagram.

80% of the content on Twitter is created by 10% of the users. 80% and those 10% are all fucking media people. They're media people and tech people and they're all obsessed with their own shit. They're fucking pigs rooting around in their own in their own feces, okay. Who do you think collected what went in the New York? I mean, yes, of course. I agree, but I'm saying there are a lot of people out there who are looking at the training topics on Twitter. I'm not saying she's a good person or we should reward her, but I do think I kind of contradict it to myself because I'm like, Rihanna is trending, but you know what I'm saying is like Rihanna is much more famous than Caroline Callaway and there's a reason

is because she actually does something. For now. No, it's not for now. I know everybody wants to believe that the teen. I don't think Caroline Callaway is on a superstar track to the moon. I'm saying that eventually an Instagram star could be elected to Senate and I don't think Caroline Calloway is on a superstar track to the moon. I'm saying that eventually an Instagram star could be elected to Senate and I wouldn't be shocked. I don't, I think that's where you're wrong because the people who fucking look at Instagram

and follow Caroline Calloway don't vote. It's a fact. Yeah, that's a fucking fact. Yeah. And by the time they are voting, they will not give a shit about Caroline Calloway. I'm not saying, I don't care about somebody. I'm not saying shit doesn't change, yeah, like AOC.

You know, it's for the new socialites and celebrities. Okay, yeah, that's what I'm gonna disagree with that. I fucking fundamentally disagree with that. I don't think influencers are the, let's put it this way. The socialites, regular celebrities are Hawking to Flapped Tomi Tiana. The culture, I understand that. The culture of, forget about celebrity for a second.

Let's talk about the culture of influence, real influence. Exists in a rarefied space that where money is attached. Socialites are attached to money, people who are in those circles. Influosers don't get to become that thing because they have followers on Instagram. They don't get to get into the rarefied space of my space famous, made a little bit of money invested into a makeup line, started a YouTube channel where he did Jeffrey star. No, nobody knows who Jeffrey star is. Jeffrey star, what has trended number one in the US.

Also Jeffrey star month. And I was acknowledged. Totally. But Jeffrey star to the vast majority of people in the world is nobody's ever heard of them. It's up to you. No, it's a fan. People all know who Jeffree Star is. Yes, I understand.

And soon they will grow out of Jeffree Star and they'll move on to just like all young people love fucking Manudo when Manudo was a thing. And they love fucking, they love new kids on the block. But you know, new kids on the block are like they're touring, you know, they're playing thousand person venues right now, but you know, new kids on the block are like they're touring, you know, they're playing thousand person venues right now But they're whatever Yes, and sometimes Ryan Gosling wins an Oscar and he was on the Mickey Mouse Club that don't no no no no no no Don't even fucking go there my friend Disney has been churning out has been churning out child stars that turn into adult stars for 50 fucking years You for 50 fucking no, it is not there is no path

There is no clear path away Disney has an entire fucking industry built By the way, they tried that they were like hey PewDiePie You want to do a thing and then PewDiePie was PewDiePie and they're like actually we're good We're good with the Ryan Goslings of the world or not there yet But I'm saying that maybe we won't maybe for lucky we won't get there because frankly I trust Disney more than I trust fucking YouTube I agree with you that that's not the way it should be, but I do think it's important that we analyze the Caroline Calloways of the world

and how that happened and how she should be. I'm not saying we shouldn't analyze them. I'm just saying that we should not automatically assume that because someone has 700,000 followers on Instagram, that it's the same thing as being like a meaningful person who's doing interesting things that we should pay attention to. I think the same thing about money. You know, you know who had a lot of followers on Instagram, Info Wars.

I don't actually know if they did. They had a lot of YouTube subscribers. Sure, but they helped create the platform. I think the biggest mistake that the biggest mistake we can make is that because somebody has acquired a lot of followers, whatever that means, that they are important. That they are important. But I still have the same thing about money, but these are the current currency. Well, the difference between followers and money is that you can do specific things

with money. And followers. And followers into money and maybe, but I'm just saying that like, it's pretty easy. Okay. You just post an ad. I think that, listen, here's what I know for a fact. Everything dies. Instagram is not forever.

YouTube is, YouTube's closer to being like a TV network, so it has a little bit more staying power, but like these things are not forever. There will be something after YouTube, like TikTok or something else. There will be some other thing that young people gravitate towards and that old people start to use and the young people get bored of because the old people are on it and they'll move on to something else, there will be some other thing that young people gravitate towards and that old people start to use and the young people get bored of because the old people

are on it and they'll move on to something else. And so all of the people who are the current influencers, but who are the, let me ask you something, who are the top? Some of them will make the jump. Some a very small amount and who, those who make the jump will probably fucking deserve it because they'll be very talented and very smart and very good and have very good management. Jeffrey star is very good at that many. Jeffrey star in in 10 years. No one will remember who Jeffrey star is. I deeply disagree. I deeply agree with it and I'm making the statement now and I let it be written down in the book. He's in any instance,

eyespace and he's richer than anyone else on Jeffrey star is just one. He's one. and he's richer than anyone else on Jeffree Star is just one. He's one. I hate him. I think you two video away exactly. That's why he's not going to rise to where he needs to rise to. He's not going to be hobnobbing with the people he needs a hobnob too. And I guarantee you, Jeffrey star, just like PewDiePie, just like the, the, the, the, the, the, Pauls, those people, those people will be erased by history.

Mark my words. The distance between a Jeffrey star and a Kim Kardashian and I know you don't really know who Jeffrey star is but the Jeffrey star is I just don't care. Not are. What? It's not a huge difference between him and Kim Kardashian. Yeah, except Kim Kardashian is a real celebrity. I mean until Anna Winter told us it was okay to think no she had a fucking show on E which is a like massive fucking network in America. But that wasn't people hated reality shows until they were told that they didn't have it.

She also had Kim Kardashian is part of a long line in legacy of very famous people in Hollywood who are like, and I say this, and I like, who are mobbed up in a way with other celebrities that you and I can't possibly fathom She didn't know that come from nowhere. She'd not come from nowhere her fucking father Represented OJ Simpson in it was OJ Simpson's best friend, you know, she didn't come from she didn't come from YouTube She came from money and power in Hollywood So there's a difference I mean, this is the same we're having the same argument about Joe

But why are people why do people why is Joe Biden leading the polls? So there's a difference. Those people are gonna use those platforms. I mean, we're having the same argument about Joe, why are people, why is Joe Biden leading the polls? It's like because he comes from the money and power that leads the fucking world. I'm sorry, just is that's the case? That's where he's coming from now. And so you can't just snap your fingers and have and have and have a fucking part.

By the way, Bernie Sanders has been at it for a long time. There's a reason why he still can't crack it. You know what I'm saying? Yes, rich people with influence and who are famous already or connected to famous people will always succeed. I'm saying that people who succeed on those platforms shape the way that success on those platforms happens. So when Haley Baldwin wants to be famous, used to be she'd have to become a supermodel

or put out a song or something so she could have her one thing to cling to to be famous, used to be she'd have to become a supermodel or put out a song or something so she could have her one thing to cling to to be famous. Now she just makes an Instagram account and hangs out with famous people and has money and that's enough for her to marry Justin Bieber. And I think we're getting closer and closer to those things crossing over to the point that like Caroline Calloway is technically a writer because she wrote comments on Instagram but she got a bigger book deal than most people who've been writing in the traditional sense for a long time. And one day, a celebrity or a celebrity adjacent person will do what Caroline Calloway did,

have the forethought not to reveal that they're an idiot and incompetent and have no life skills, and eventually will be an influential person in writing. And the same thing will happen with politics, and I just think we're getting to a place where like the likes mean as much as money does to a certain extent. And hopefully we'll, as a society reject that, but on the current trajectory, we have to think about, and it's okay to analyze what it means to the people inside of it and the people outside of it and who they step on to make it, to keep it up. Do you know what I mean?

Yes. I mean, I vaguely know what you mean. I think it's important that we write those pieces and that we analyze. I'm not saying we shouldn't analyze. I'm not saying we shouldn't write. I'm just saying that we need to be careful about how much weight we put into these things.

And what we're really talking about, we choose, we make decisions on what to cover and what whether it matters or not. We make the decision on, you know, her emails where they go in the paper, you know? And I would just say, I'm sorry, but like just getting back to the whole thing with like celebrity.

It's like, I'm not saying that there will be no breakouts. I'm not saying that there will not be breakouts stars, but there are a lot of people right now who think they're going to be breakouts. And there's actually like one percent of those people that are going to break out. There's a lot of bad shit going on and like I am only a little bit interested

in what the teens are doing on Instagram and what the influencers are up to. That's just one man's opinion. All right, well let's move on. Let's talk about. I mean, what is there to say about the jewel pods? Like I don't know, like Trump is like I'm going to ban flavored vapes.

It's like he's like only tobacco flavored. It's like so they're all flavors number one. That's my tobacco flavored. So they're all flavors, number one. That's my first thing is they're all flavors. So you say only tobacco, but does that mean what about the sweet tobacco flavor that I like? Is that okay? Or is that where if you just all get mint tobacco? What about the mint?

What about mint? We're not doing mint now. We're not gonna have menthol as a flavor. I don't understand this. So obviously there's something fishy going on. I believe it has to do with tobacco money somehow with Trump, like Trump and tobacco money must have something to do with this, right?

I don't know the extent of it, but I know it's bullshit. I also know it's like insane in this country and there have been many, many tweets and memes about this, this like idea that we're like worried about the sixth desk. And by the way, it's real. We should be worried about people dying from anything. But we're like, you know, kids are dying from vaping. Let's ban vapes.

Like kids are dying from AR-15s. They're being shot in their fucking schools, but we won't do shit about it. Like, I mean, Bernie had an amazing tweet, which is like, I mean, kids drink themselves to death and go ahead and do DUIs. But we have laws. We have really strict laws about drinking. You can't buy alcohol unless you're fucking 21. It's really controlled.

I mean, like, there's a lot of strict rules around that shit. And anyhow, whatever. It's just saying like, it just, you're concerned, he's concerned about dual pods, but he doesn't, like, he puts kids and cages and wants guns to be in every school. I mean, we know the guy is one of the greatest hypocrites of all time, but I mean, it's just a ridiculous situation. But, okay, now, now let's get to hold on.

Now, there's another topic I wanna talk about. It's very important. Where is it? Oh, Joker, the Joker movie. So I don't know what to say about Jules, except that Jules thing is bullshit. And like I hope that, I hope that, I mean, I think that we should be really careful about what we let people fucking imbibe.

Like we should think about what it is. We should have serious regulations around, like you shouldn't just be able to like, just fucking, like puff anything into your lungs. Like there should be regulations around it and there should be serious repercussions for people who violate regulations. I think anything that goes into people's bodies should be looked at. I don't think we're just able to do whatever. Even if it's a drug that gets you high, I still want to know that there's some level of control around it or some standards that we accept as this is the

way it's done. People don't just drink like fucking like go-blind moonshine when it comes to alcohol. There are rules around it And those rules are actually very useful for lots of different reasons. So I like the idea of regulation I like the idea of the FDA. I like the idea of the you know that I love the idea that we are actually making sure that the things that are in things Or the real things and not fake things and aren't killing people But like other than that, I don't know what to say like Trump has actually tried to dismantle the FDA So I don't know what to fucking say about it. All right. Well, um, let's move on to nice things. Everything's been bad.

Ready 11 14 already. I can't believe it. We've really gone on. Okay. You're nice. Thanks. Um, my nice things are, um, I'm going to start off with the saddest one, which is nice, but it is a little sad. It is, um Last night, my family dog had to be put down. No, I'm so sorry. Yeah, it was really sad, but he was really at the end. He had had cancer for a while and we'd had it treated a few times. And it got to the point that it really couldn't be. And he was really not his quality of life had diminished.

And my parents took him to get a put down, which was really sad. But the nice thing is that, like, they had the bravery to do that, and I probably wouldn't have, and they were like around him, and it was really peaceful, and he had a really nice life. It was fairly short, but he was a boxer, and they don't live very long.

But he had a nice life, and he was a lovely addition to my family, and he brought my dad a ton of joy. They were like best friends, and he got to go in a peaceful, like, calm way and that's kind of the most you can hope for for anybody, especially like a pet that runs in the street and eats, poise and all the time. Next nice thing is I went to Mystic, Connecticut, which I hadn't been to except as a child.

And I was going from my friends from high school, we're the only people I keep in touch with, really. We all agreed for all of our 30th birthday parties that we would get together and do something. And so for my one friend Nicole's, we all went to visit her where she lives in mystic. And I had never been there. And we did like a scavenger hunt around the downtown mystic area. And I thought like God I'm gonna hate this and it was delightful and mystic is such a lovely little town And I had such a fun time and weekend and fall is like slowly creeping up on us and I bought the sweater that the dude wears in the big Lebowski

And it's incredible. So I had a nice weekend. I want to say that was nice We have like an 80s themed party And I dressed in a full Polaroid outfit like a like company clothes Um, I thought you were like you were like in a certain like you had a thing on that was like a Polaroid Frame around you. No, but I did have a Game Boy frame that we took pictures in. Oh my god And we played croquet like in have theirs I've been watching designing women is on Hulu and it's very much the B side to the Golden Girls A side, but it's such a fun good show and it really was unavailable for a long time

and I remember watching it as a kid and now that it's all like just there, you can just watch it, I've been watching it late late at. And it's reassuring that sitcoms were good. And if there was like a way to still do sitcoms with like relevant storylines and that actually had some emotional depth like depth, like sitcoms, like those three camera sitcoms used to take on real issues. And now it's just like, I missed your phone call

and we got confused and you slept with the wrong person. Ooh, I missed comedies when they like took on moral conundrums or like clashing viewpoints and there hasn't felt like there's a modern one in a really long time. So I'm enjoying designing women as like a throwback but it's also making me think like, God, why does nobody know how to write

something like this anymore? And then my last thing is we, at my other job, at my other employer, we got a new office space and it's like tiny, but it's like weird. Like we have a whole garden area and we have like our own little studio that we're setting up. There's a waterfall in the office,

which is like a weird feature they had built in. The door to the building is like this carved oak wood with like puppies carved into it inexplicably. And it's like, it's fun. This like me and two co-workers were there. We picked the space out with the broker and we were there measuring for the furniture or whatever. And it's just kind of fun to like design what your day-to-day work life is going to be like. Like so many times you, in life, you take what you can get,

like the whatever you have the budget for, you'll rent space here or we'll work from home or whatever, or you work at a company and you don't get to really pick or design the layout of where you are, like what your space will be, what the dynamics will be. Is you just end up getting thrown wherever you get thrown, wherever you're hired. Everybody should have the chance to like design

what their day will look like and who they work with and like what they work on. And I, for the first time in my life, I'm able to do that. I'm just feeling very like grateful for that. And I hope that everybody thinks a little bit about how they can make their day purposely built to make themselves more efficient and happier, even if they are in really tightly controlled circumstances. Like, designing that stuff is really important. And it has me like right now thinking that I need to move because I really hate my apartment and it makes my day-to-day life harder and I need to like move. But I've never had the privilege of choosing any of that. So it feels good. And those are my nice things for the week.

Let me do my nice things. I got a lot of nice things this week actually. Turns out if I go if I we go a week and I we don't do the podcast I have invested in many nice experiences. Okay, so first off, several people including Jeremy Gordon or culture either have recommended and now I'm knee deep in the new X-Men series which is how so. All I've heard is like the best things about it. Yeah, it, it's house of accent powers of acts. It's like a dual like I think each one is six parts, maybe a little bit longer, but like it's like two different books. Really fucking good.

Just a total like weird crazy reboot extreme like just super cerebral really interesting. Touches on like all the X-Men stuff that you know and love, but just takes it in a totally new direction. It's super good. Also, I'm now like, I don't know why I wasn't doing this, but I've been using comics alligy, which is a comic app, you know?

The best. I'm like, how have I not been doing this this whole time? I'm like reading now. I'm like reading so many comics. It's so much easier. I've been like buying physical comics. And like I have to say, I feel like this is a good, I finally have one thing to do with my iPad

that I'm like, this is perfect for the iPad. It's like the one thing where I'm like yes This is what I need the iPad for so I've justified my purchase of my iPad, which is really great I've been playing control which is a game new game for For many different systems made by remedy. It's super fucking awesome. I highly recommend everybody plays it I'm playing on the ps4 there is some slow down because it's like seriously pushing some crazy shit. Also, if you are playing it on a PC... I'm on a PS4 Pro and I haven't had that.

No, the Pro is supposed to be pretty good with it. Apparently the Xbox One X is actually, or yeah, is that what it is? Yeah, it's apparently the best, if you're playing on a console, it handles it the best. But if you're playing on PC and you have the right card, it does ray tracing and it's apparently

really fucking sick. So I actually want to, like, I'm thinking about upgrading or just getting a new gaming PC just so I can play control with ray tracing. And yeah, it's super, super good, super fun, really interesting, crazy story. I'm like only a little bit into it, but I'm really enjoying it. Just started playing Astral Chain on my Switch. It's a really weird, interesting game that has a lot of stuff going on. Like the opening of the game is like,

holy shit, okay, this is the beginning of the game. All right, let's do it. So that's really fun. It's interesting, it's very different than games I normally play. And I love it. I feel like an idea that should have already existed, like the core concept of it.

And never did. But it feels like, oh, why didn't we have the adult Pokemon in some way? It's like a, yeah, it's like did. And but it feels like, oh, why didn't we have? Like adult Pokemon in some way. It's like a, yeah, weird. It's anyhow. And then also I tweeted about this, but I got, I ordered on Amazon. I was like, I have all these USB-C cables and my Mac is USB-C.

And the only thing that isn't really USB-C is like, my earbud charger and my iPhone. And then I'm always in these situations where I need a USB thing, but I don't have a... Okay, here's what I did. Instead of buying a million cables, I bought, you can buy for $10 on Amazon a package of USB-C converters, which is like USB-C to anything. Right? So it's like USB-C to lighten. Lightening to USB-C. It's like regular USB. USB, you know, it's like USB-3. It's like fucking micro mini, whatever. And dude, I gotta tell you, it's changed my life. It has changed my life.

It makes things so much easier. The only thing that could be easier is if they were like on like a touch to each other because like, I mean, which is would be good and bad, but like, they're loose. So you have to keep track of them. You have to keep them like a little pouch. But other than that, it's like the greatest thing in the world is such a good investment. It's like I strongly recommend for everybody who struggles the way that I do go and buy this shit. I wish we had like links because I could do like affiliate links. I can make a bunch of money off this. In on the input, on input, we're going to have like we're going to make real product recommendations like this and you're going to be able to go buy it. And we're going to make a ton of money from it. Now we're not going to make a ton of money, but it is the kind of thing is a perfect example by the way of why affiliate links work because I'm like Let go buy this. It's a really good thing. It will actually help your life and like, you know

Why not make some money off of the recommendation? Famous on what's in Miami I was playing Metal Gear Solid like the original on my PSP go and I forgot that it's solid like the original on my PSP go and I forgot that it's Charger and data cable is like a proprietary like iPod 30 pin knockoff looking fucking thing It was like during that period when many USB wasn't quite good enough So we had these like weird proprietary charger situations and I was just like thank God for USB-C like thank God it might not be perfect There's lots of things about usbc that should be refined and fixed but Jesus Christ. This was bad. This is really bad

Yeah, yeah, I'm I I mean the I'm you know one of the things that we go we've talked about Apple lots like I It I wish that they had Actually gone to usbC for the phones. I know. I know that people are like, oh, I have all these accessories, but it's like, we gotta make, yeah, make the break. It's a point.

We gotta make the break. And you gotta USB-C and all these other fucking devices. It just is so odd to me. It's super weird. It's really weird. All right, what else? Is that it? Is that it for our nice things?

Is that it for our show? Is that the show? Oh, we've done it. It's amazing, Ryan. It's been incredible. It was so it. It's amazing, Ryan. It's been incredible. It was so good. It was better than I could have ever imagined it would be.

All right. Let's get out of here. Let's go get on with our lives. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Well, that is our show for this week.

We will be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best, though, I've just learned that your family has been canceled for defending the new SNL cast members, so that's very bad for them. you