Tomorrow - 178: Who Witches the Witch Man?

Episode Date: October 22, 2019

This week on Tomorrow, Josh and Ryan are joined by Input's Reviews Editor, Raymond Wong, to discuss Google's new Pixel 4, Microsoft's Surface Laptop 3, and which characters on Succession are allowed to eat daddy's M&Ms. There's also some trepidation regarding HBO's Watchmen, Ellen's friendship with George W. Bush, and the fan reaction to the casting of The Batman. Oh yeah, and the gang meets a vampire witch. Happy Techtober! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Josh Wotopolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss witches, M&Ms, and two pays. I don't always one minute. Let's get away. Alright, we're back. We're finally back. Look at us. Here we are, and we've got a special guest, Raymond Wong. Hey, do you have a middle name? I do. What is it? It's coming. It's my Chinese name.

Oh. Mine is Ryan. Is it? Oh, that's right. It is. Oh, geez. Joshua Ryan. Joshua Ryan.

DJ Joshua Ryan. Check out my Transnengles from 1990X. We're back. Okay, listen, I'm gonna, I gotta tell the listener something. First off, the one remaining listener. Thank you, Tony, for continuing to listen to the show. Look, we're working on input, inputmag.com sign up, get our emails, you can check out some of our content

on inverse.com. Oh, it's uncertain. Falls on social, at input on Instagram, input mag on Twitter, input mag on Facebook, input mag, on Twitter, input mag, on Facebook, which is the devil, but please follow, like and subscribe. Um, anyhow, but, um, so listen, we had a couple of weeks where I was like, I can't, I don't. Listen, you've been traveling around this nation.

Yes. It is your birthday yesterday. I was dyed in a plane crash. I'm moving and getting married and we're launching a new publication. You do have things that are a new publication. You do. These are a little busy. Yeah, you did have a crisis.

I had a meltdown on Twitter. Crisis on infinite Twitter. No, I, well, listen, so yes, a lot has been going on and we've been very, very busy and believe us, we don't like to do pod. You know what? I don't have to apologize to anybody except my lord. And I pray to Satan, so that's not an issue actually. Anyhow, so raise here with us. We're very excited to have him. He had a really busy weekend. I did we have a lot to talk about

We're working you walked in the office and 800 devices launched Reyes are reviews at it is October so it's you know, what did you say? Take tober Don't ever say No one says Tektober. Everyone says Tektober. You're reviews that internet. Is that in, that's not in any content, is it?

You would put that in. Every YouTube video. What's up guys? Okay, so, so, so, I'm like, I'm BigHanth. Like and subscribe. Like and subscribe. So, raise a big Logan Paul fan.

What? No, I'm just kidding. So, okay, so you reviewed the Pixel 4. I did. And the Microsoft Surface Laptop 3. 15 inch. 15 inch. Yeah.

They need to like trim one word off of that name. I need one last word. Remember Windows 7 mobile series. Yes. Go. I remember. I still use it. That's what I'm still using is my current core device. Let's talk about the pixel for a second. Let's do that. Okay. Now first off, I have to say this phone is very ugly. I agree. It is really nasty. Now I love orange. I'm a big fan of orange. We're looking at it right now. We stockpiled orange stuff because we were so excited. We brought a ton of orange stuff that takes a look at it. Dude literally carried an actual orange.

Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Raise their blades. So one thing about the color. I just want to talk about this really quickly. It's not orange. Hold on. It is. It's orange. It and it is salmon. No, no, it's like, it's an orange. It is an orange. Okay. It is just a weird one. And it's hard to photograph. It's hard to put. Like no photograph of this phone that you've seen actually represents the color of the phone. I could tell you that we did a photo shoot of the phone and in every photo, you tilted it one inch to the left and it was blue. It's like, you know, the Galaxy Note has like that crazy reflected back and it's like, whoa, it's like, it's like, it's like,

it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like accidentally hard to read. It's just a weird shade. But here's the thing that I find really egregious about this device. The bump? No. No, it's, it's, it has this black rim around the side And it looks like, and by the way, all do respect to the Otterbox fans out there. This looks like it has an Otterbox case on it.

Like one of those like high test, like you know what I'm talking about. So you know you have some friends, yeah you have some friends that fucking fucking ruggedized, they're shit. They're like, I'm trying to get a really nice dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, this phone is going to fall into a creak. I can't wait to run this phone over.

And it looks like it comes with a shitty ugly ass autobox case on it, number one. It also, the screen on it, for some reason, because it's like a beautiful screen, like an OLED screen on there with rounded corners and there's a lot of bezel and there's also the top. Doesn't it kind of look like a pom-prey? I see what you're saying. Like it looks like you placed a playing card a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, a little bit. The mirror, a little bit. It's the forehead,

the forehead is, the forehead. It just makes you look down all the time. It's less than the foreheads better than the notch. It's better than Chin though. It's a little hard. I will say this, I think it is better than the notch. It is. I think it, like you don't really, you're not really thinking about the fact that, but I also think that it's kind of bullshit

that it's even there at all, because everybody is like, oh, we got this fancy front facing camera attack and it's like, we're the like, the radar. The radar. I've never used Project Sully. Yeah, the radar, I've never used. Project Sully. Yeah, the Sully stuff is total BS.

What you can use to swipe through it anyhow. So I just think that Google had the crown for a minute, at least when it came to cameras. Hell yeah, Ted. I mean, for one literal minute. I mean, it's a very bland, very boring phone. It's got great cameras and that's pretty much it. I think it's like a watching a YouTube very boring phone. It's got great cameras and that's pretty much it. I think it's like watching a YouTube video, right?

The battery is just terrible. Is it bad? For this moment, I haven't tested a big one yet, the big one, you just got the big one. I got the big one. I played with it last night. I wanted to test which emulators would run because of me.

And in, I wanna say 15 minutes, I dropped 40% battery. Yeah, but the early days, early days of an Android phone are always rough. Just in fairness, there's a lot of sinking going on in those early days of Android, have a new Android phone. It's a burn in, you gotta burn it.

You gotta burn it, you gotta get it out of here. You gotta massage the battery, you gotta shut down. It's a, you're shit sinking in the background. You don't know what's going on, okay? I've been using this phone for like a week though. Yeah, it's not great. This iPhone 11 Pro Max, it literally has never died.

I can't get it to die. Could I say, I mean Apple fucked it up. Apple and the good Lord. They fucked shit up. This new battery is sick. Like I will make it bigger. They were like, that like fuck you Johnny. I will make it bigger.

I will literally like use GPS in my car, not connected to the car power. And I'm like, I'm good. It's no big deal. I was in L.A. I spent a whole days in L.A. No charger, no fucking phone, no phone charger in the car, no battery pack. And you know what, I got home at night, had tons of battery life.

Played Apple Arcade on this. Oh my God. With my, like, it's running graphics. It's doing touch inputs. Full, full, like, speakers open, brightness up, and it outlasts the switch menu. Appal So I will say, I will say I'm very disappointed. I wrote this thing two years ago. I tweeted about it today about how like Google was like, suddenly came out of like, they were like out of their shell and suddenly like really good at design and like doing all this cool shit that was like, funky and weird and nice and just like better.

And they've gone like 10 steps backwards. Like so, the camera is like design like which going. I think the camera software is great. It's wonderful. Like it's still great. It is. Okay, I will say cover software is great. It's wonderful. Like it's still great. It is. Okay, I will say the bokeh stuff.

Real talk. Okay, real talk guys. I do miss having a pixel using it. I was like, just the whole thing. Just the, I mean, I do think that their stock pixel experience is really, really, really great. I think OnePlus does a better with Oxygen OS. You're wrong, as fuck.

You've never been so wrong. No, no. Ray, we've only known each other a short time, but I can tell you, this is the most wrong you've ever been in your childhood life. No, Oxygen, I did just get the, I did just get the 70. Oxygen is pretty bad. Do the 70?

I do. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. It's camera, camera's like, eh. Camera's bad. I actually hate there, I hate the, I hate the Oxygen, the's fine. It's camera cameras like a camera's bad. I actually hate their I hate the I hate the oxygen the lock screen. Oh Yeah, the lock screen. Yes, okay, and they don't like that on my six T. I have the six T The pros. No, I don't know. So larger six T. Yeah, but um the in-screen fingerprint sensor

I was all about for two days and I that one's long to be hated the the 7t face on locks pretty fast 17 is fast and the in- well the pixel on locks really fast you don't have to open your eyes you don't be in the same room it's just yeah you don't have everything you don't even have to open your eyes can we talk about that yeah yeah that was your spouse could point it at your face and then just I think that was in his big that's disaster. That's really that's thinking. I mean, that situation, the idea that you just described where you're like, yeah,

somebody just like unlocks your phone because you're sleeping. Hell yeah, you know, many teenagers across this nation are currently doing that right now. Yeah. Oh, no, no, this is the worst phone for teens ever. It's like your parents will literally walk in your room. Yeah, that's what we said about our headlight. Yeah, we're supposed to routine. No, it's like you, the parents will walk into your room, pick up your phone,

stick it over your face, and then boom. Bye. You're grounded. They're seeing all your Snapchat. Whatever they see, you're grounded. All your Snapchat. Your undesolved Snapchat. Oh my gosh.

I mean, they get pissed. Yeah. Literally just go to the usage data, all your nudes. Even if you wiped it, they could go to the usage data and see how much time you spend playing Candy Crush or whatever whatever grounded, done. But let's get real for a second. Let's bring it down. Let's bring it down a notch.

I think Google, I'm very Google did bring it down a notch. Hold that. Oh wow. Hold that. Wow. I do think that I would not be surprised to see in the next, maybe the next generation that Google stops doing pixels. I mean, I can't, this does not look like a success to me. The path that they're on does not look like a path of success.

People don't say pixel the way that they said droid or they say iPhone or even people say, with one plus. Look, I'm sorry. Colloquially, nobody says pixel. I hate to say it, but Samsung pretty much defined the space. Galaxy. I mean, Galaxy, I mean, people say, oh my Galaxy or whatever. I mean,

still not like an iPhone. People say, do you have an Apple or a Samsung? That's what people say. Yeah. That's right. That's it. And Samsung's not, you know, they've not doing that great either. I mean, is Android over? That's a question we have to ask.

Is Android over? Is Android, is this, are we seeing? I think definitively no. Are we, this is the, it's not over. I mean, in America, we are all, it's such an, America's such an iPhone. It's an iPhone. It's an iPhone. It's an iPhone. It's an iPhone. It such an iPhone I feel it's I'm free but everybody everywhere else Yeah, like everywhere else. I mean so but it is interesting. I mean I wonder how much like they're already readying their next What does it call?

Google's next phone operating system. It's like called like a few. Yeah, yeah They're like no, it's for everything. It's it fuchsia's their next OS. It's for all. Yeah, I don't know. There hasn't been, I will say there has not been a new OS. We've talked, we've talked about this a lot. Fuchsia has tones of Thanos in it. It's been a freaking, and it's purple. It's been a long time since it was actually introduced

in new OS. Yeah, I think we're at the saddest point. Is that about that Huawei OS or whatever it's called? Was that? Well, there's KIOs. KIOs. What is KIOs? It's for like developing countries in the like, it's for like developing countries and it's work. It's on that a flip on that

Kio's is just like a bad weird stuttery Android like it's not it's like hey you want to load the you want to load Yahoo from 1996 boom you can't do it. I mean I do think I do think it's interesting though like we really haven't I mean whatever apples doing with their shit It's like what if this was a little bit more like an iPad, but it's not, and you're like, nah, I didn't want that. It's not actually, and the iPad's like, what if it were a little bit more like a laptop, but not? It's just like, no one's actually come up with a concept.

Let's say, I'll say this, at the Google event, they were trying real hard to be like, Google Assistant is the OF. Oh, ambient computing, yeah. I will say, you know, I actually had a successful encounter with Siri today. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was like, well, I'll tell you.

I'll tell you, I'll tell you right now. It actually is related, it's actually very related to you. Oh, whoa. Oh, no. I was getting in the shower. And you were talking to your phone about, I was a little creep now. I was getting in the shower.

We just did our HR orientation. May I finish? I I was getting the shower. We just did our HR reentiment. May I finish? I was getting in the shower. And I was like, oh shit, those embargoes are about to drop. I need to make sure I'm out of the shower and ready to tweet the embargoes. Uh-huh.

Raising bar goes. And so I said, I was like, hey, Siri. There she goes. I was like set a timer for 10 minutes. Did she? She did it perfectly. Wow. I was like set a timer for 10 minutes. She did it perfectly. Wow. It was incredible. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was,

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that were not relevant that I never, ever use. And I literally spent like the five minutes where I was driving where I was gonna be like, home in five minutes, trying to get Siri to do this. Text, I finally got it at the bottom of the driveway. I figured out like it was like whatever combination of words. And I was like, I'll be right there. Or something like, I'll be there at five minutes.

I was like, I'm here now. Or like I'll be, I'll be, I'm coming up the driveway. So stupid. Anyhow, so the Google Assistant is great, but not great enough to ever take me off of I message. It's a little faster. Ooh. Yeah.

I mean, Google says it's fine. If I want to know the weather, I want to know a math problem. I want to know what a factor started with thing or when an actress was born. Yeah. That's the things I ask. That's fine.

Yeah, but it's no now. Do that for a while. No, that's what I'm going to say. There's no new. So you know at the vent how it's like, Google do this. Do this. Do then this. Then that is like, nobody uses their voice.

Also, we can do lots of stuff. It's just lots of hyper-specific stuff that I will never remember that it can do. So like, you can ask it for movie show times at AMC theaters, and you're like, okay, but I'm never gonna remember that which theater chain has the deal. Like, so I never, I just don't.

I should never use it. Actually, I had another successful encounter with Siri. I should say, I asked her to set a calendar appointment, and she did it. And that was great. But Google is much better at basic things like that. I will say I do miss having Google Assistant. I miss having just all of how the pixel works,

just in terms of notifications, and the way apps work together. But it is a weird thing that they really haven't figured out the messaging or the video thing and video call thing. And it's like, I mean, I message very long time. I messages the craziest lock-in scheme of all time. I mean, it's really dirty. It's been a long time for Google to not be able to be like, here's how I use the front-facing camera for you to talk to somebody. That is, you do not need AI or a team of design engineers

to be like, hit the button and video call somebody. That's not like a hard problem. And they keep reinventing the wheel with it. They want to introduce some game changer so that they'll be the center of the conversation. But it's like, face time got there first. That sucks. Just make a solid thing and move on. It's fine.

What could Google buy? That would be really cool. That would make them like more relevant. Me. No, like $1 billion, please. Tesla or Snapchat. They should buy Snapchat. No.

That'd be cool. The ship is sold on them by insides. Has it? Yeah. Maybe it's not too late. They can merge whatever was Google's glass with specs. Yeah, there you go. That's not a bad idea.

I mean, like, what is... I mean, I mean, I mean, I guess Google's just like, they're fine. I mean, they don't have to worry about that. Yeah, TikTok would have been the thing to buy six months ago. They can't buy TikTok. It's Chinese. Yeah, but they could have six months ago,

bought music, or whatever. All right, let's switch gears. I don't even have to talk about the Microsoft surface laptop three. I mean, it's fine. I have to it's a laptop. It's a laptop. It's a laptop. It's a big laptop. It's got two ports. You don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't know. Other stuff you like that. It's feels good. It's good. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. Now it's fine. All right, what else is happening in the world of technology right now?

What are the other big stories? Oh, by the way, did I mention, should I say this? Are we gonna do two podcasts this week? Oh, yeah, we're doing two podcasts. I just say, as a makeup, I totally forgot to mention this at all, but as a makeup to all the die-hard Tony and his whole crew of fans, we're gonna do a podcast today and then we're gonna do one later at the end of the week. I don't know if Ray is gonna be on that one, but today when I suggested he was like, yeah, fuck it. Let's do it

He's like let's do it. Let's just do it and be legends to alive There's a good live kid. Where's exact words? All right So what else is going on? Let's talk about the new analog console. Oh, oh the Game Boy thing. Yeah The pocket pocket. It's good name. I want it. They still look from Neo Geo, but I'll allow it. That's true. They're making their own, so if the listener doesn't know, they're making their own, like they made the Mega SG, which is an FPGA clone.

This is analog. Yeah, you're talking. You're saying. You're saying. You're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying,

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It upskills the games. It's a mappable keys. Hell yeah. It looks sexy. It's sexy. It's sexy. It's sexy. Yeah, it's really nice looking.

And it's got a built-in audio synthesizer so you can make Game Boy chiptune stuff. Oh, does it? It's just like geeky and cool. I missed that whole part. Yeah, no, it's very exciting. I don't know what there is to say. Like, it looks awesome.

It's not coming out to 2020, which is a big problem. Everything's coming out in 2020. I know. Well, it's almost here. I mean, it is almost here. I don't get the best thing with the fucking, the buds. Yeah.

They're like, hey, you like these? 2020 guys. What couldn't they, why couldn't they put it together for this year? Why not do a holiday thing? Yeah, what was weird to me too is that why would you announce these like just random headphones for a round of coverage? Everyone's going to forget them.

They're not exactly like the most compelling product. Right. If you're not ready to ship them, like you could just get the round of news and awareness when people can buy them. It's almost like Google knows that it's blowing it and it's trying to cover it's ass, you know, weirdly. All right, what else happened this week? Nothing. Oh, it's blowing it and it's trying to cover it's ass, you know, yeah, weirdly. All right, what else happened this week? Nothing.

Oh, it's Monday. What happened last week? Well, I was in Los Angeles and then dying on a plane. Lady Gaga found out about Ninhet's story. Oh, that story is good. I mean, she also fell off of a stage, which is what you go through every day. Yeah, yeah. No, I saw this video of Lady Gaga.

I was very upset and she got like completely bounced off a stage. But that was the best. Ninjas like, she's like, what's Fortnite? Yeah, what was she doing? Like, why were... I think she was like high in tweeting, is what I would get. Yeah. When I ever, I have a tweet like that. It's like definitely related to being high or drunk.

And then it was like, what's Fortnite? And then Ninjas like, come on, I'll show you, baby. It's like trying to slay. It was using her song title. I was quoting it. She was like, call me on the telephone and we'll have a bad romance. And you can see my poker face. It was so crazy.

He was crazy. And then she was like, who are you? But she did the dot app so that everyone would see that she does not care. But does that even work anymore? Is that a thing that you still do? If it doesn't work, I think it owns even harder because it's so weird. What if we discovered that this is all just

kind of marketing ploy? I'm sure it is. I'm sure she is a social media manager. She's going to like, like, we should get like stuff. Do it in exclusive with mixer or whatever. Oh God. She should do it in the next thing you know. And then in next thing you know, like Lady Gaga is like into game or game. Lady Gaga is like stream Minecraft or something. She's like, it is, this is about ethics and journalism. Lady Gaga is doing a, and Anita's are keesian. Drop a clap. Take it out.

Hell yeah. All right, so there's choice. So that happened. What happened? I'm sprinting team mobile emerging. We've been coming for a long time. But it's Trump is Trump on board for that. They're all on board.

The whole government's like, yes, let's do it. We need it's less competition in the telecommunications space. I'm just it's perplexing. It's are what else? Supreme phone came to talk about supreme phone Yeah, yeah, I'm actually very bummed that I did not get the supreme phone You know, I just got a Nokia 3310 which I know you guys are all I mean I got a flip phone. You got a candy bar I'm playing we're living in the future the 90s are back the 90s are Aggressively back the dream of the 90s is alive in my pocket. Yeah, wow, okay, that's enough Ryan No, the 90s are aggressively back and they're coming for your phones. It's coming for your phone and I think it's good

I don't know like listen. I'll be honest with you having a 3G phone is a is a revelation. You just don't tweet Don't tweet. I mean, like loads mobile Twitter. It's so slow. It's so slow and janky and weird, but it's good. I like it. It reminds me that there was a time before all this noise where we could just live and breathe as human beings

spend time with our families. Not a phone insight. Just people living in the moment. Just people out in the fields. With Carol Hodge, Huggy, Danseed. Making phone calls. Not making phone calls. Not making phone calls.

Parry life is so good. Yeah. Well, these, well, it wasn't good on the flip phone. It's all right. The bad left is the on the flip phone. Yeah. Oh, I'm on. Oh, yeah.

I'm my flip phone. Oh, on the old days. Oh, yeah. No, I'm my flip. In the actual 90s, it's a It's a whole yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, no In other news We never talked about because we've been gone so long Mark Zuckerberg things Some bad thoughts all the time and then he's saying them unprompted. I mean, you know listen Mark thinks you should be able to lie as long as you do it and you like

Prove that you're the one thing. Well, I mean Mark Zuckerberg doesn't think that social media should be policing the speech on social media They're tech company. Yeah, they're tech company. Yeah, they're tech company It's a weird it is a weird thing that Tucker Berg is saying in general. He also was like, they also compared themselves to broadcast television, which is heavily regulated. And literally there's a whole branch of the government that they... Yeah, tell Janet Jackson that chick should do whatever.

There's a whole branch of the government that's responsible for telling them what they can and can't put on the airwaves. Right. It just doesn't make any sense because Facebook has doesn't show boobies and they ban info wars. So where it's the line? That's the time. Doesn't show boobies.

Doesn't show boobies. Um, you know, I think that there's a, I mean, it's Facebook's, it's pretty evil. I'll be honest with you. I mean, Mark Zuckerberg is obviously like trending right from what I can tell. I mean, you know, he's like... I think he had some ideas in like 2004

and they were fine for 2004. And he believes that because he is not of this earth anymore, he is orbiting it like fucking Dr. Manhattan. He thinks he's so powerful. He doesn't have to change any ideas or listen to anybody's feet feedback and that we all don't get it because we're too caught up in the day to day.

But objectively, I can see what the world needs. Fuck off, Zuckerberg with your weird puffy face. Wow, okay, no need to do personal insults here, Ryan. Okay, we all are puffy. You're very riled up, Ryan. We can't stand his. Well, to the podcast, we are all puffy sometimes first off. Okay, so please don't, if I had that much money,

I would never be puffy. Okay, you know what? So you know his problem is really bad, whatever's going on there, he can't control it. No matter how he's a billionaire who's still puffy, and that's a problem. But here's the thing about Zuckerberg, he strikes me as like every edge lord,

all of the edge lord to get money. And this is including Elon Musk. That's why I'm not shocked that him and Paul Merlucky were like barefoot boy, which together, right. You know, he's like, he's like this guy who starts like, you know, he's like, wow, like, oh, I can see now the fundamental truths of reality,

like have been like revealed to me. Cause of money. And like, lips, it's like I'm gonna drink some lib tears or whatever, like, like, it is this weird thing where they're like, they're like, actually, I can now speak

with authority on like the realities of the world from my position on high. And you're on Mars. Yeah. I mean, and I don't, I just think that he is a very, I think he's not that smart. I mean, I think Mark Zuckerberg is not that smart. I mean, controversial. He's got a extremely low EQ. It would be my guess. Well, well, yeah, but also like I haven't seen a demonstration of him having lots of good ideas. He had one good idea in the right people around him. I don't know that he's had like repeating like repetition of good ideas. He was smart enough to know to copy Snapchat. He was smart enough to know to purchase a free art. He's really tromping away. It's like he seems successful. I mean, he obviously is successful to some degree.

Yeah. He should be smart given his position. But you get the kind of, you get the distinct feeling that he's not as smart as he keeps telling people he is. Yeah. And not everybody who starts a company, like he seems sometimes so in oversack. Like he wanted to make a website where he could like

look at hot girls. And I think he could like look at hot. Hot girl. Yeah. And I think he's like deeply in over his head at this point and just unwilling to admit that like he does not like this job but when it is not up to the task. Well, no, I think it's, I think he's drunk with power, okay? And who knows, actually, I don't know there's that much inner dialogue going on with Mark Zuckerberg.

I think he's just like, he just like killing animals in the hands. He's a billionaire CEO who runs a social communication platform and he has to justify the business when he speaks to the public. And so he talks about the business being like a way to connect people all over the world. But Mark Zuckerberg has no interest in connecting people all over the world. He accidentally connected people all over the world.

Now he makes a ton of money off of them. And so he has to talk like it's important, because if he doesn't, then people would know that the only reason he built Facebook was to look at how girls would make money, which is no longer what to say. And his speech was like, if we had had Facebook back then,

wouldn't have been any Iraq. Yeah. What? I mean, it's like, well, don't tell Jamila, Jamila about that, because you see this distinct with her on it. Yeah, yeah. She was like, I didn't know how bad Bush was.

I'm like, at least she's willing to say it, you know? No, no. I don't know. That's the kind of, that's the kind of thing you don't. One day she'll be in an anime-k movie and all. Oh, dude, that's a great job. Listen, that's the kind of thing I feel like sorry not to get off topic, but that is the kind of thing that is the textbook example of when you don't, you're not sure you just

don't say anything. I wouldn't be like, oh, was he really that bad? I wasn't paying attention. It's part of my whole thing where I don't think everybody realizes we don't need a press release for a of your take on every single topic that trends. We don't need a quote from you, Jamila. Nobody was like, what a Jamila Jamila

think about Facebook's free speech, like, well, pontification. I think we were fine. Well, her thing was not the element thing though, wasn't it? Oh yeah, that's it. How did it happen? It was like, she was defending, sorry, we're way off topic.

Yeah. She was like defending Alan Allen. She's like, we've Alan alone. George Bush seems like a nice man. Then people are like, um, what? Did you say to me? Uh, of that Alan thing we should talk about. Oh, last week's news, but, um,

hold on a second, getting back to Zuckerberg, what was I talking about? I was saying something about Mark Zuckerberg. He was very, what's the... He's not that smart. Yeah, wait, but beyond that, oh, I was saying, oh, right, like Steve Jobs, no, Steve Jobs was very smart. Yeah, he's very intelligent.

But, but Steve Jobs was not the smartest man who ever lived. Absolutely not. When he saw the technology for the iPhone, he said, this is silly, I don't like it. And it took repeatedly his product testing people, bringing him things being like, here you go. But also, okay, the flip side of that is that he was like, what if it doesn't have a keyboard?

And people were probably like, that's a dumb idea. Steve, how are people gonna type money? He was like, what if it's a virtual keyboard? Or whatever. But Steve Jobs's greatest asset was that he was really good in marketing. Yeah. And he was it, he was like, what if it's a virtual keyword, or whatever, but Steve Jobs's greatest asset was that he was really good at marketing. Yeah. And he was also really good at like,

he was also a good editor. He was good at saying no to most things. And telling people, and telling people like, like giving them an idea about something that was like really exciting and new and interesting that they had to have, he was very good at that. As far as other things in his life,

maybe not so good, I mean, not a great dad from what I could tell, maybe later in life. But certainly wouldn't have wanted to be the first of all assistant. Doesn't sound like he was real nice to the people that he worked with. And like, oh, but like you get this whole aura,

you're like, oh, last, Steve Jobs, like, oh my God. But Steve Jobs had a lot of people around him. He had a lot of people. I mean, he had some really bad ideas. Like I just finished reading creative selection. Yeah. And it's about like the guy who designed the Auto Correct keyboard or the keyboard. Oh yeah.

Oh really fascinating. Yeah, it's really fascinating. What were his bad ideas? Let me hear some. Well, he would just come with this idea. So on iPad, you can kind of like scrunch into go back to the home screen. Yeah. His idea was this weird, swiping thing, pulling down and then swirling. And he was like, what if you cast a magic spell?

Yeah. It was incomprehensible I was like I'm confused. I'm so confused He's Steve Jobs would have come up with the next great oh, but like he missed it He didn't come up with the virtual keyboard. No, they come with the auto Yeah, like the erred people I think he said there is no keyboard on this and then they they when they kept bringing him mock-ups He was like these are bad these are bad and then they did that like crunch meeting where everybody just like, it's like, what's just make a whole bunch?

One of them will work, we'll trick him. That's the, yeah, basically. But you know what, that's, you know, that's like my man, Coppola, you know. That's how you get to the great stuff. No, but anyhow, but these guys have a lot of really smart people around them who are doing other things.

There are no great men. Walt Disney had a team of women who were doing all of the animation for him and then some dudes who were running it. And Walt Disney was a great man and he named all those animation directors as other great men. So what I mean of the great man myth.

He labeled himself a great man, labeled all those other animators leads like Don Bluth, who's a great artist as like the guy who did it all. But there's armies of people who were sitting and sketching all day to make those movies happen. Okay. And it seems like Zuckerberg is not that great a man.

Not that he's not that good at that many things and he seems to be surrounded by people who are opportunistic and not well intentioned or that talented. His PR stuff around that whole speech? Yeah. Was so bad. That news PR or whoever is being run by

like a right wing operative who literally was like Giuliani's assistant. It was like Zuckerberg speaks up for free speech. Finally a taxi EO crushes. Who would ever know like is this a press release? We're like someone like fucking doing ASMR videos for just him. We got weird Maga shit going on. Three of the things, like the cross over like the, I mean, you just think like the

edge lords and the alt-right and the Trump people, you know, you look at them and you're like, wow, all the worst people are winning. All the worst people are winning. How's this happening? The devil stays winning. Yeah. I mean, it is like, it is like something seems fundamentally broken about reality right now in that some of the worst of the worst are doing better than that. Because it ends up crime pays. Yeah. I learned my whole life crime doesn't pay.

Well guess what? They were wrong. They sometimes genuinely think, if I screwed a whole bunch of people over in my 20s would I pay you? Yeah, like what's it like? You be rich. Yeah. Yeah, like what's it like?

It must be so liberating. Yeah. It must be to be shitty. Helly to be shitty. But also lonely. I mean, I'm not saying I'm great, okay? I think those people are probably not as happy as they present. They're just, I mean, they've all seen sex action.

Yeah, I've seen sex action. Oh, we have all seen sex action. Yes. But in places, hey, dad, hey, dad. Hey, dad. My dad's on me. You watch the succession, M&M's thing, right? Oh, Ali, have you seen that?

What? Everybody wants, sex action, but everybody wants a Logan's M&M's. What? Oh my god, have you seen that? What? Everybody wants, succession, but everybody wants Logan's Eminem's. What? Oh my God, I haven't seen these. It's really good. It's like you should. Okay, I'll look it up.

Just look at how old you are. Now, how many wrapping candle royzes are there gonna be on Halloween night? I'm sorry, I don't really, here's the thing. I hate watch succession. I love succession. Okay, I know you do. And I know you, I know that's what they told you to say.

Okay? The Roy's a Droid family. Hey dad. Oh dad. Um, you got it. Yeah, here it is. Can we just enjoy it together? Yeah, this would be yeah You got to get this full screen this shit man. What is this again some red? I hate red so much Brad's like what do you want to open this on it's like the shit I opened it in? Yeah, you got the sound down Hey I call it yeah, you got the sound gone Hey dad I want some M&Ms fuck you These are my M&Ms god damn it fuck off Now right now you go fuck off. Okay god damn it fuck you okay

Fuck you, okay Your dad just opened a bag of them in the limbs Do you think you give me any? On come here Wait, this is the same dude, right? I don't want any of your candy dad Not even my M&Ms. Wait, is this real? Hold out your hand.

Fuck you, fuck off. Jesus, you're pressed. Hey, dad. Can I have some M&Ms? Fuck off. Okay. Logan. In my village, if you're a Saman, you keep all of the candy for yourself.

Until one day, they find him dead. He chose on the piece of candy. Enjoy your happiness. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha And I have a very low blood sugar and it's I'm feeling kind of faint. It's not serious But I could pass out my head and die Fuck off Greg. Oh, okay, okay, Ken come here. I still want some of my M&M Yeah, put this on okay, okay Okay You're in that hat But you never forget that you'll never be anything more than daddy's number one candy baby So fuck off for good god damn it. I brought these M&Ms with my own fucking money

Candy's for daddy. Not for little babies Anyhow there you got that is really good um I'm not going to be a good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good You know what I mean? You're not speaking of. I'm not speaking of. Yeah. Yes. In other news.

Here we go. Here it goes. Blizzard is letting you. Hey, China. Oh yeah. No, China is China. Now is it? That's it.

We're done. China owns everything. They own us. It's fine. You know what? It's fine. I saw a list of companies that was like companies that have changed their human rights policies to appease China.

And it was all of them. It was every company besides like Matt and Tray from South Park? I mean, it's a weird thing that happened where like, where we're like, oh yeah, like the policies of the Chinese government are really fucked up and bad. Like, oh, they do really fucked up things to their people. They might have a fascist. Yeah, yeah, no, it's like, like it's like the worst version

of communism or whatever. You know what I mean? It's like, and then, but then, somebody was like, well, wait a second. They'll, we could pay people there to work, really hard for shit money, and make a lot of stuff for us, and people are like, okay, well,

whatever with the bad stuff that's happening there, like forget about that. Let's not pay attention to that right now. There's some real good business to be done there. And like, it's also the thing of like, we're just, we're just, well, being the laws. We're just obeying the laws.

We're just following orders. Every country has some bad laws and everybody country's got bad people. And it's like, at some point though, it's not like China's very bad. We don't need to do what about is them and find to the one country who's never done anything bad. We need to like, everybody needs to be accountable

for the bad things they're doing. We're putting kids in cages. They have organ farms. But they create, they create, they create. Look, every country, every country does. Has organ farms. Well, I mean America, look, America's, I mean, come crazy, not great. Guys, look, every country, every country does have organ farms. Well, I mean, America, look, America's, I mean, come on, America, fucking sure, America's terrible. America's not talking about America.

We're not talking about, we're not going to try to live in it. No, but I'm saying, but, but Hillary Clinton did some bad stuff. She's no Trump. No, listen, Hillary Clinton is innocent of everything and will be president in 2020. That is my prediction. No, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. Grand Chan's's the thing. Here's the thing. Grand Chan's life tells me. Here's the thing.

But the weird thing is now, not just that we're like, oh, wow, this huge workforce over there that we can tap into. Obviously, a lot of people got rich off of it in China and around the world. But now, it turns out that because there's so much Chinese money and everything and so much influence,

you're like, oh, I think it's like, oh, I think what's going on? Like the police in Hong Kong are fucked up, this sucks. And suddenly, like the guy from the NBA is getting like slapped for it. He's getting dragged. Yeah. It's crazy.

It's like, wow, like what happened where we are like worried about voicing, we're supposed to have the land of free speech or whatever, but like you can't say shit like that now if you work for the NBA, because they own so much of the NBA. Right. Anyway, it's fucked up.

I just want everybody to, I want China to chill out. The government. The government. Hey guys. I want what I really like, what I think will be really great is if they started paying people more fairly and it cost more to make an iPhone.

You know, this is bad to say. Here's the thing, but I think it's nothing more expensive. I've got to be more expensive. I think it's nothing more expensive. I think it's nothing more expensive. It should be $10,000 for an iPhone. No, I mean, how much work can it be? It's already like $1500 to buy a fucking iPhone.

I know. It's like more than my laptop. Most people don't need anyone every year. And frankly, I think it would be better if that entire country of people who I have nothing against, if their government gave them better, just like it would be better if our government gave us. This is better. And I would be happy to push for that,

especially because we have such a close relationship and it's inextricable from our lives. It's not like I can be sit here and say like, oh, I have all these opinions about stuff in Africa because I want this to happen, I want all this stuff to happen in India or Europe. Yeah, a little bit, but there's so much of our country is based on business with China that I feel complicit

if we don't say or do something. Well, and yet you can't because I have to buy anyone to help. It's true, I'm a box gun owner. Yeah, you're 75% fox. I'm a box gun tankie. I'm in your factured, actually. No, but I think it's I think I'm sorry. I didn't think it's interesting that we are you know the globalized workforce, which like we really

okay listen, this may be a place where I don't I don't know if I want to say this, but do I agree with Trump in some way? Hold on, do I agree with Trump? Oh, not about the tariffs and shit, but I will say this, I'm wearing some jeans that I bought a target. They were very cheap and they're very comfortable. I don't know where these jeans were made, but I'm guessing it was not nearby.

And I'm guessing it was not, they were not made in like totally humane. In a totally humane situation. I mean, if they were made here, they weren't made in humane condition. Well, I'm saying, yeah, but at least here we have some idea. I don't, these jeans, who fucking knows?

I just, I do wonder if like, I don't know, maybe it's better to be able to like, just to buy jeans that last you for like 10 years that are made like in some humane manner, that cost more money, but are actually like better. I would agree with that. However, I don't need to like get a new style of jeans every year. I think everyone would agree with that. However, I don't need to like get a new style of jeans

every year. I think everyone can agree with jeans. I think the thing with Trump is that it comes from a place of like, I don't think tariffs are the answer. I don't think like, no, no, I mean, Trump's an idiot. I mean, he's a complete idiot. He sucks. This shit had his socks. All of his methods are really bad. But, but no, he's the worst human being. It's certainly in America, maybe on the planet is hard to say. He certainly is the most annoying human being on the planet. I can tell you that. Like I don't know anybody who's more annoying the Donald Trump.

Like I think of like my, think about how annoying he is on a daily basis to regular people who have nothing to do with Donald Trump. Could you imagine if he worked with him every day? I bet he's less annoying in person though. Can you send in another diet guy? Here's the thing about, okay, here's the thing Donald Trump. Could you imagine if you worked with him every day? I bet he's less annoying in person though. Can you send in another diet? No, here's the thing about, okay, here's the thing about Trump. We've talked about this before.

Here's the thing about Trump. I know you don't want to admit it. I've got to take another massive shit to believe in this meeting. First off, I have a feeling he's very constipated based on what I see. Second, I don't know, Coke makes shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, makes shit. I don't think, okay. I don't know why. What is that? You just did your own section, cheering section,

you're like your own reaction. Being a bad boy. You're like a third party reaction to your own comment. You're like, oh no, he didn't said people about me. No, here's the thing. I'm trying. Trump. Trump.

Trump. Donald John Trump, which is his name, by the way, in case you're wondering. Here's the thing you don't want to hear about him that is true, I believe. I think he's actually pretty charming in person. I think that Trump is actually, when you talked him, I'm not saying it's good. I'm just saying he has some kind of weird charisma. You look up to these charismatic guys who are bad people like Tom Cruise. Oh, Tom Cruise is great.

Now I personally have personal knowledge of how great Tom Cruise is. You know what I'm saying? He's magnificent. But Trump is like, I bet when you're hanging out with Trump, I bet he's like, he's like Gatsby. You know, he makes you feel like the center of attention.

Yeah. He really lays it on. He pushes you up against the wall. If you fall for like the center of attention. Yeah. You know, he really lays it on. He pushes you up against the wall. If you fall for that, that's not your thing. Yeah. Pushes you up against the wall and tries to essentially, by the side, you're probably pushing.

You know, but for the men that he's around, he's really a swell guy. If you were a fellow rich dictator, he's probably a very charming dinner guest. I'm not telling you, I'm not telling you. That's why he's best friends with Kim Jong-un. Yeah, that's right. I fantasize about the day that we never have to talk about Trump again. Oh, all right. Let's switch gears. Let's talk about watchmen. Yeah

Wait, did you read you watch it? I know nothing about watch. Oh fuck we can't talk about it This is a nightmare. I do I need to go and watch it and like come back in next podcast Right right needs to watch Okay, I'm gonna do some homework. We need to know nothing about it. Like you've never read the original book. I have no, I've no. Wow.

I'm missing out, huh? I read the nerd shane. Okay. Okay. Are you going to, I'm going to, I'm going to for a bid and plan it. I'm gonna buy some comments. You got a good level. Get, get watch, Ben read the whole thing.

John watched it last night with, also with no frame of reference. Yeah. He got up to do the dishes. I said to Katie, I said to my sister-in-law Katie, I was like, I would be very surprised if this is, if comes popular because it is first off. Episode. Oh, niche. Episode number one is just really chock full of what, like what the fuck is them. I mean, the squid rain even every me a second to be like, what the fuck is, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like,

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it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, like, it's like, it's like, it's race in America. I don't know. I just don't know. I mean, that opening. Sorry. Are you getting excited to watch this? I'm kind of wondering what kind of life is the opening? The opening scene is okay, but I'm talking about just the whole tone of the show is like also like I'm sorry,

but whatever's going on with like this weird black lives matter like mirror universe situation. Very strange. Yeah. Possibly not good. Not the right spot for Damon Lindelof to step into and when I looked up Who the directors and the writers where there's two black writers in the writers room of eight people and None of the directors were black or Corgi Jefferson's working. He works on everything now. It's fucking insane Look, I'm just saying I was intrigued it presents some interesting ideas. I have some theories It does feel a little bit like a show, like Westworld. You got to keep shooting.

You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting.

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You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting. You got to keep shooting. 2019 I don't need to like there will say I have an Undo-disteries in the white supremacist showed up like an army of white supremacist terrorists I was like a little bit like Burned on this maybe you'll subverted in the end and I'll be like wow you know what I love fucking exhaust on this on this point The boys. Yeah, the boys. Yeah, the boys. Have you watched the boys? No. Raised like damn, I'm way behind. I am behind. The boys was surprisingly really fucking good and smart and interesting in here. It was so good. And a good take on superheroes. It was like, it was in the watchmen.

It was in the vein of Watchmen, but just took its own whole path. Anyhow, Watchmen, check it out. I'll check it out. I'll check it out. I think in five episodes, minimum to really make an evaluation of the show. AKA the screeners. AKA I need to talk to somebody at HBO ASAP and get the fucking screeners.

Now there is, there, there, there, people at Inverse have the screeners. They do. They have six episodes and I'm dying, dying. Can't, can't break the, you love on those screeners. You know, from your mouth to God's ears. All right, what else is in the news? Oh, the Batman's cast has come together.

Oh, yeah, that's good. We've got Paul Dano. It's the Ridler. Paul Dano is the Ridler. Zoe Kravitz is Catwoman, hell, two-thousand. I think you would, yes. I think you'd be a really good Ridler. I think they're both gonna be great.

Paul Dano, are people sorry, it's at it. I fucking said it. That's your sick person you need to go to jail. Ridler kisses Batman. Okay, I do like the sounds of that. That would be, that would be a twist. Now here's the thing. Zoe Kravitz says right in front of my salad, me and.

Hold on, Zoe Kravitz. Now there's a lot of anger on the internet about this casting. Oh, as if there hasn't been a black cat woman. What is, nope, that's literally people are like, people are like, how dare you? And it's like If you've been every race Also, earth a kit You know what I you know what I thought makes it we crap it's Batman not bad girl

Make her Batman. I settled down over there. Okay. I'm trying to destroy my childhood Sick fuck no I'm a kid and I'm the ghostbuster is that man. You know what actually on this topic, I was actually thinking about the Joker movie. Oh, we get him talked about that. And I was like, I have not seen it. I was like, can't just take it in anywhere. It's sold out everywhere. It's actually, I hate it.

I'm sold out. Yeah. It's disturbing. I watched the, well, the somebody tweeted the scene where he's dancing, which is like literally one of the worst pieces of cinema I've ever seen in my entire life. But, as I've been saying, it's as if Joaquin Phoenix, this assignment was like, use every trick

from your campus school. But the whole scene, but the whole scene, the music, the dancing, the cinematography is like, so it's so like poorly,'m like it's like it literally is like you know that they did it on Oscar the Grouch sketch on SNL where it's like Oscar the Grouch it's like Joker style. That's what it was like while watching like this actually seems like a parody of a movie. But Joker I was the other day about people who are so mad and upset about people who don't like the Joker movie, man on the internet, who are like, I don't understand, I've never honestly, when

people like the things I like, it makes me like those things less. Okay? If everybody was like really into John. You are like that. If everybody is Huffman. You are like that. If everybody was really into John Huffman. You are like that. No, I start to go like, when it's a niche thing,

you're like, you guys have to hear about this. And once you've told them and they're like, sounds like it's fun, Josh, you're like, ass shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, as unique or as special or as interesting as I thought it was because everybody really seems like, now there are exceptions to the rule I would have said in the past I would have said like Kanye, but fuck Kanye to hell. Yeah. We were all wrong about that.

Beyond say. Beyond say, the Beatles, the Beatles. Good example of, of, no. Of the, we all like them and they're still good. Super, super popular. Everybody likes them for the most part. I mean, the Beatles are obviously very old now and it's kind of waning, but like,

but, but, but, but also really fucking good. Like, really artistically good. You know, there are things like that. They do exist, but I don't think the Joker movie is one of them, but also the weird thing is the desire to have people agree with you. Like, let me put it you this way, okay? Here's the thing.

Okay. I could be like Pixel 4 is the best phone ever made. It's the best fucking phone I've ever used it rips. It rocks. It's awesome Now I will argue why I think that okay. I will say why I think it's better than other things because it's orange But I actually don't give a shit if you agree like I actually don't like I think you're if you're if you disagree By the way, I'm not saying this saying this is not true about the pixel 4 but I'm just saying if if that were my position and you agree to me I'd be like yeah good smart you're listening if you didn't agree I'd be like you're a schmuck But I honestly would not care in any way shape or form and you could live your life It would be fine if you don't like a movie. I like that's totally fine. I'll be honest with you

I have no if you were like I fucking hate David Lynch's dude. Okay, David Lynch doesn't like it. He disowned the movie basically. But I'm okay with that. I'm okay if you don't like it. But, because it's polarizing. But okay, Hanna, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I have to stop.

Do you have the breath? I have to stop. What happened? I have to show you this text message that my father just sent me. Oh my God, no. Here it is. Last one, come.

I father just sent me this. Literally while recording. We read it in your office, boy. We read it. I think Mark Zuckerberg, this is just out of the blue. No, no, no, no, it's real. It's real. Okay, the last text was a exchange about my birthday,

which happened on Saturday. Today, today, 6.43 pm. I think Mark Zuckerberg wears a two-pack. He's dead. You should tweet that. Nothing. That's three. Just out of the blue.

That's so good. Out of the blue, wanting to send you another message just typing going on at nine. He's so good. Out of the blue, he's sending another message. There's typing going on. I'm going to prove it theory. I wish this were a live podcast so I could live, live. This is so good. He missed spelled Mark Zuckerberg, but still it's the thought. I think he wears the two pay. It's incredible stuff. Sorry. I was in the middle of a thought. So all I was saying is like, if you don't like David Lynch's tune, oh, he stopped typing. That's all I get. You know, it's fucking fine.

These guys who are like, who are trying to like tell you why the Joker is a really good movie are like, I don't understand. It's the thing of also like, you know, Martin Scorsese said, I don't care for Marvin. That's what I'm talking about. It's fine. Just like the movies that you like. This was saying, Martin Scorsese said, I don't care for Marvel movies. That's what I'm talking about. It's fine, just like the movies that you like. This was saying,

Martin Scorsese and in France for Coppola, were like, these movies blow. And it's guess what? Like, who fucking cares if that's what they think? Like, you don't have to, they don't have to like them and you don't have to like what they said about them and nothing will change at all. Even if you get them to change their opinion,

even you're like, listen, Martin Scorsese, literally what they want to do. Let me tell you about movies. Really one of the greatest film directors of all time, and Fred Svarkobla, also one of the greatest film directors of all time, you don't fucking know what you're talking about. The Joker is a good movie.

Fucking Avengers Endgame is high art when Thanos Endgame is high art when Thanos Get snapped out of existence by fucking iron man That is like fucking a Art film that is a that is a fucking the seventh seal that is you know a fuck it's a true foe That is a fucking you know like what the who cares? Who fucking cares dude? Here's the deal. I'm gonna tell you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's a true foe, that is a fucking, you know, what the, who cares? Who fucking cares, dude, here's the deal. I'm gonna tell you, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's a sad fact. But that shit isn't really, like they're not really like great films.

If the guy who made Taxi Driver says he doesn't care for Spider-Man Far From Home and that shocks you, if you're like, hey buddy, hey, hey, just so you know, age of Ultron, that part about Pinocchio, man. I gotta tell, I gotta tell the guy who did the departed. Fuck off. I know, it's crazy. Could you just go jerk off and say,

something relieved, whatever stress you're taking out on the world. I just wanna say though. Fucking insell bullshit. I just wanna say what? Also, they're not movies. They are movies. They are mass media.

There are very expensive TV show. You have to go somewhere to see. And they're and they're crowd pleasers. But art art. No, I mean, I'm from home is art. No, I mean, I mean, listen, first off,

artists worked on it. Far from home is definitely not. Is it art? Wow, great. Right, as a special. Great, is it art? Right, tell me, we need it, we need a review of this question. Great. Is it art? Great.

Tell me. We need a review of this. Here's the thing. No. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Bring it down. Boy, I mean, by the way, I have to say, you are, your ability to project is really great.

Grace that earlier, he could be as loud as me. I don't believe that. I don't think so. I don't fucking believe that. I'm talking back on that. I would be interested to hear it. I would walk back on that. Raise a very chilled dude who does not raise his voice so far. So far. I look like a like a hazy man, but in fact it's just all along. Yeah, just one giant long ray more like rage. Even if you're even if you're mad at Martin Scresses, I love your films. I love I love everything you've done and I gotta tell you I'm as a student of film and I'm a student of your films in particular, I feel that you're wrong on this when you're person. I personally feel

that you've made a mistake, even if that's how you feel, even if you feel like he based on somehow offended you. The idea of going to the trouble of expressing that you don't like that he doesn't like it in a public forum is like so wack and lame. It's one of the wackest and lamest things I've ever heard of in my entire life. Also when it's been expressed already, everybody put in their shoes,

you don't have to for a few days be at replying and Googling up that I was like, hey, this Martin's Chris Hays thing, who gives a fuck? It's five days later, I don't have to for a few days be at Replying and googling up that I was like hey this Martin's crazy thing who gives a fuck five days later I don't need an arrow by being like I do Also like I don't see I don't see you want everybody to like the stuff you like why what do you five like what is that? Like what do you think girls are bad because they don't like trucks? Yeah, like what is it matter of people like what you like? Like this is by the way, listen, I'll say this is the thing about men The back to a big thing about men. Bring it back to input mag.com. Sign up, like and subscribe to smash that like.

Everybody should like it. Everyone should like it. Everyone should follow it. Everyone should agree. No, but I will say one of the things that we've talked a lot about and we're going to be doing is like voicing a strong opinion about the things that we are interested in. Right. And, you know, you may not agree with that. That's okay. It's fine. Fuck you, because we're going to say it anyway.

You can't stop us. We have the internet. We have a Wi-Fi connection. Every one fucking user. No, but it's like, listen, you can agree with me or not. You don't have to agree. You don't have to agree that I think that the fucking Lumia 710 or whatever phone,

I reviewed a fucking phone, I reviewed a Windows phone in like 2009 or something. And people went ballistic. They were so mad that I said it was not a good phone. People went nuts. People were like, I'll fucking come to your house and got you like a pig. That's terrifying.

No, I mean, I don't know if they said that. But it was pretty bad. People were like, this fucking guy doesn't deserve a job. Like that kind of stuff. It's like, listen, I mean, I don't know if they said that. It was pretty, but it was pretty bad. People were like, this fucking guy doesn't deserve a job. Like that kind of stuff. It's like, listen, I'm sorry. It was the loo me. It was a bad phone. And by the way, history, history, mother fucker,

proved me correct. That shit did not fly off the shelves. Nobody bought it and they canceled that shit. But, and Windows is 10 mobile is dead. Yeah, well, it was going to Windows phone. Seven, I'm not done. I don't know. Wait, I'm not done.

I'm not done. But on input mag.com, you know, we're going to voice those strong opinions. Yeah. And you come for us. But we are, we have been armying ourselves to the teeth. Okay. AK's AR 15s. Glock 9.

Maybe an over here. I don't know. Go ahead. I, one time,. Maybe in over here. I don't know. Go ahead. I, one time, Chad, I'm going to show up. I one time said that the HBO show looking wasn't a very good show. And people were like, you're homophobic. I was like, I'm gay.

And they were like, well, you're self-hating. I was like, no, listen, the show, nothing's objectionable. I just didn't think it was a very good show. Second, is the guy who plays the detective on my hunter in that show? Yeah, he's not something glee. He's the guy, he's like the guy, the main guy in the game. He's the Lena Dunham. I just had a complete revelation about who that guy is. He's in glee. He's also in glee. Yeah. What does he play?

Who's the guy? But in any of the, yeah, yeah. But in any event, I have the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year.

I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I was going to go to the end of the year. I'll stop talking, except on inputmag.com where the opinions will flow like sweet honey wine Into your mouth and you'll enjoy them. You'll switch them around with summer of opinion. That's right Unless not so opinions no, but listen opinions are great. Everybody should have them. It's fine If you don't agree with someone's opinion, it's okay to just not say it opinions are like assholes, but also great not say it. If he didn't say like, assholes.

But also great. Okay, let's get back on topic. All right, I think that's it for the week. Is that it? Is that all it happens? That's it for three weeks. I think we're missing something. Well, like, I don't know, the geopolitical world is collapsing and Microsoft made a phone

with two screens. I can't get over what I can't get over. So, looking over Reb and shoulder, he He's he is testing right now new device. I'm not going to name it. I think it's under embargo, right? Yes. He's checking the Apple iPhone 12. We got our hands on it.

13 all hands on the new Apple phone. Uh huh. No, but Ray Ray is basically looking his own Twitter feed. The whole time like I see people prising Twitter and they're like checking out They're like timeline Raise looking at his person He's like oh good opinion, right? Well done

He's like you got him you like nailed that one. I sometimes delete bad tweets. Yeah, if I go back And I'm like I don't like that one. Yeah, that you got to delete all the tweets I was when I was on this plane that I thought was going down You know, there's a horrible wind wind and rain storm here in New York on late Wednesday night And I was that's when I was flying in and or it was a Thursday and it went in and Boy, we're things bumping around and I had this idea I was like, you know, I'm my policy has been to kind of not tweet so much. Just let's say it's gotten me into trouble.

Oh, you tweeted a lot from time to time. And I was like, what if I instead of never tweeted, I always tweeted. And I guess that is how some people live. Yeah, they're just like, I have an idea. I'm gonna tweet it. Every thought that comes through my head has to be 240 characters.

Every thought that comes through my head. 280. Every thought that comes through my head is like, I should tweet that and then like, no, I shouldn't. Literally in that order, which I guess means I'm growing as a person. Well, yeah, it's an incredible.

I mean, it just means you have a lot of followers. Bad for the brand. All right, let's talk about nice things. Get out of here. Got any nice things either of you? Who me? Either of you. I gotta say I tweet

Dim sum and dragon quest. Yes, that was it. That was a I Revelation for me. Oh, man. I think I liked your tweet But I was actually gonna respond to insane sounded like heaven like it was dim sum and dragon quest sounds like like a Saturday afternoon Hell yeah, yeah, rain that day, too No, it wasn't I just I just chilled at home. Just so good. Beautiful. What is weight? Dragon Quest is on what platform you're playing. I'm playing the latest one.

11. It's on Switch on Pist4. Yeah. So I'm changing my console. Good. I've never played a Dragon Quest. It's a classic grind. You got to grind it. It's real great. I can't, I can't play a grinding game. I haven't played a game in a long time. I took my switch with me to LA. I'm like, I'm gonna game on the plane. I'm gonna game when I'm like, I got some downtime.

The gamer. And literally, I literally have to check it. Now you have to fucking take it out for security. You switch. Yeah. The whole game says, yeah, they suck. It sucks, it sucks. It's the worst.

They're like that battery. Who knows? Yeah. Anyway, once you get through through security you can buy a knife You could go to any restaurant How many knives have been like discarded I had to throw away sewing pocket as Are you bringing a knife to the airport well? I have it on my keys because I'm boss over the I bought a TSA safe leatherman mini leatherman, which is very a very good investment

It has like a pair of pliers, got a little scissors, it's got a screwdriver, but it does not have a blade long enough to be considered threatening by the TSA. I can do some pretty nasty damage with those scissors. I mean, they're like literally one inch long. They're like this. Plastic box cutters go through the TSA just fine. All right, enjoy your travel, everybody.

It's just gonna be nice things. Yes, nice things. So that's my first question. Dragon Quest and Dim Sum. It sounds fucking amazing. your travel, everybody. It's just gonna be nice things. Yes, nice things. So that's my thing. Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest and Dim Sum. It sounds fucking amazing. All right, Ryan. Try it. So the television show.

I will have seven. He's gonna have seven. I just have the one. The television show RuPaul's Drag Race has been, it's always been a good show. It's fine. It's good. You can go to a bar.

You watch it. You make a bracket. Everybody laughs. You have a good time, pop music. You know, some ladies with hairy chests. It's great. However, since All Stars 2 was, some ladies with hairy chests, it's great. However, since All Stars 2 was good, but since season 6, it has gotten very,

by the numbers, everyone calls it RuPaul's best friend race. Everybody's friendly with each other. There's no competition, the challenges are all the same. RuPaul went across the pond and did drag race UK. It's so good and lit and amazing. And there's a number of reasons why, including RuPaul seems to have woken up from a decade-long slumber and is excited

because he's like, what did you say? Oh, nice leg. It's a different cloth. Different, and the Queen seem really excited to be there. They're also a little bit more unpollished, which is always fun and reality show. Because they're British. Wow. Oh wow.

Now I'm just kidding. It's really fun and really good. There's a smaller cast Wow. Oh, wow. Now I'm just kidding. Wow. It's really fun and really good. It's a smaller cast. It's on the BBC, so there's no prize money. It's just like an opportunity to do like a spin-off web series or whatever is like their thing. But of course, it's drag race.

So every single one of those girls on that show is going to make a bunch of money touring and stuff. So they're all winners already. But it's really fun and cool. And it's great to see a queer community. It's a community that I'm super obviously involved with and hyper aware of, but it's cool to see another cultures version of that. Like they don't use our slang, and they have their own way of doing things.

Like their drag queens don't, they don't, for example, remove their body here, or they they defend them. One of the queens kept saying, yes, and slay, and the other ones were like, you're just copying what you saw on the television show from the U.S. like, no, we don't say that. Like you sound like fake doing that. Stop doing that. And they have their own weird slang. They're always saying tuppance, which means vagina apparently.

I don't know. They've got their whole... Is that two pens? Isn't that tuppance? Two pens? Tuppance, isn't that? Doesn't sound like a good administration to me. Oh, I don't know.

Oh, I don't know this one. It's getting late. Anyway, Drag Race UK is really good and really tight. You can watch it on Wow Presents, which is the company that makes RuPaul's Drag Race, or you can think it's on E or V, I've been torting it. It's really good.

Go watch it, everybody. Two pens, very in form of two pens. Okay. Which is two... Some of two pens. Two cents, but in the pen. Two cents. People talk. Here's an example. He didn't of two pens. Two cents, but in two cents. People talk.

Here's an example. He didn't care two pens for her. Nice. You can see my tuffins. With the Irish queen. Incredible. Incredible. Anyway, it's good.

It's fun. It's great. I guess it's my turn. Five machines. I already talked about two ourselves, right? Oh, that's a good one. I have a lot. I have a lot.

First of party city, like I fuck with party city. I will and I will. I will fuck with and stand. Go back to party city. Party city. You belong. I, I listen, I fucking love Halloween. First off, yes. First off, I love Halloween.

And now you can be this year. Yeah, we need a new. Okay, hold on. One thing at a time. First off, Zelda is really getting, really gets into Halloween now. And, and- That's my girl.

And I have to say, what I've learned about having now a five and a half year old who's just got a lot of interest is that I'm really into things that five and a half year olds are into. I'm like, I'm really into toys. I'm like, really into her toys. I'm like, this is cool, like, let's, I like buy shit. I'll go to the store, not to get anything for her

and come back with like several toys. I'm like, this is really cool. We gotta open this. I get to like, so when I was a kid, I used to do Halloween set up. I was a lonely, lame, mother fucking kid with no friends. And when I was like 12, I would like have my dad take me to go get, I would try to put this in the podcast before.

My dad would take me to get a big block of dry ice. And I'd like do a set up in our yard on Halloween. With like gravestones and like dry ice, like little trays that created like fog all over the grass, which was fucking awesome. And like I'd hang a guy for a tree and I'd put like lights, colored lights everywhere. And I'd do like spooky sounds.

This is like me by myself as a 12 year old. Very cool shit for a 12 year old to be doing. Anyhow, Zelda is like all in on it. Yeah. And we hit party city, and it was, she was like, fucking with Pennywise, she's like, oh my god, this rule is like, no fear, not. She put on this mask, that's all black material

that you can see out of it, just a black, completely formless hood, and she's like, like running it in around the store, like just a black, completely formless hood. And she's like running it around the store like making like monster noises, just like fully into it. So we did buy an industrial strength fog machine. Well, she wanted to have, she wanted to have a strength.

She wanted to have a, well, it's like a big one. It's like the biggest one they sell at party city. So anyhow, but like she wanted to do a, well, she was like low-key doing a surprise birthday party for me, but under the guise of a spooky party, or whatever, just getting like spooky party supplies, but not for a birthday party.

And she, by the way, she's like the worst. She's like, we're definitely not having a birthday party for you, by the way. Oh, she's like, what's that? A birthday party? No one said anything about it. Literally, and I'm like, no one said anything about a birthday party. Like you're the only one talking about the birthday party and I'm like, no one's saying anything about a birthday party.

You're the only one talking about the birthday. Is there a birthday party? Actually, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? I mean, we have fun, but yes, so I got this, so I set up the fog machine in the house, and we set up some lights and some cobwebs. Oh, she made crepe cakes, which are cupcakes that are creepy.

And like really some sick designs, like really messed up looking monsters. And like designs with like little knives sticking out of them and stuff, just like really good, like pretty scary stuff. She's a skeleton that she plays with that she's really into. Like, she's like definitely embraces like the morbid side of the wing. Good. That's how I was. The macabre.

The macabre side of the holiday. Anyhow. Tiny Elvira. So, yeah, we get the fog machine going and it turns out that it turns out that the fog in the house actually bothers her eyes somewhat. So we couldn't really, we couldn't really like go for it. But I ended up taking some amazing pictures. And I guess what I'm trying to say is I love Halloween. And everybody should celebrate it the old fashion way.

Like you don't need a sexy costume. You don't need to like, it doesn't need to be adult. Don't make it an adult holiday. Make it, make it. I went to a costume party last weekend and I knew that these people were very chic and they were gonna have very chic Halloween. So I came bearing candy corn and like some tiny pumpkins

and a bunch of like just cheesy, chinsy Halloween stuff because I was like, it's Halloween. It's not put on a slightly sexier outfit than usual. It's not quite Halloween. Yeah, it's like, yes. And I will say, I mean, I'm not saying there's a thing wrong if you wanna wear a sexy costume, it's fine. It's like, you know what, do your thing.

Do you? But I really have to say, and maybe this is a larger, nice thing, which is like, and maybe it's true what they say about kids that they're like, oh yeah, they let you get in touch with your inner child or whatever. I mean, I don't think I'm pretty in touch

with my inner child, to be honest with you, based on how people react to me on our regular basis at the office. Large toddler. Large toddler. But like, it is like pretty sick to like, unabashedly just be like, I'm gonna get some fucking,

I'm gonna string up some cobwebs and get the fog machine going and have a spooky party. And so I recommend this Halloween, embracing the joy of the dark side. All I ever wanted before, and I was a kid, was for my parents to dress up and get into Halloween, because it was my favorite holiday.

And they literally, I've never seen my parents in a costume ever once, nothing. Oh, I have to answer the question. You ask what she's going to be. She's going to be a witch vampire. She got this costume. Witchfire. Yeah, witchfire.

Well, it's like, she got like a vampire costume, but she's calling it a witch costume. Oh, okay. And it's like kind of a fancy vampire costume, like a very like elaborate. It's like kind of like a gothic, like anyhow, whatever. And then so I think she wants us to be like a vampire or like a witch family.

So I think I'm gonna, I also bought the screen mask just like, because you never know when you need to do this bus that goes face for for shits and giggles. As they say. You never know when you have to kill some co-ets. You never know when you need to as best out goes face for for shits and giggles as they say. You never know when you have to kill some co-ets. You never know we're gonna have to partner up with a buddy and really go for it. But anyhow, so yeah, so I think I'm gonna be like a like a like a like a vampire edge lord.

I'm gonna be like a vampire edge lord. I'm gonna be like Palmer Locky. Rich lord. A vampire. I'm gonna be like Mark Zuckerberg and a two-page. Oh yeah. Zuckerberg actually has like a very vampiric vibes. Yeah, what explain the two pay?

He'll taught him how to drink the blood of the young. He'll also have vampiric sort of energy. Yeah, hell yeah, he could tell genuinely looks like the undead. Big V energy. All right, now that note I think we should wrap up. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. I know Ryan and I are a lot to take.

Understeep. But if this will not be raised last, it's the first of many. And, uh, and, you know, we've got a lot of shit brewing in a cauldron. Spooky cauldron. Get ready. Get hyped. Goodbye. Let us our show for this week. We'll be back this week with more tomorrow because we're going to be owe it. You owe it to all of you Tony and the whole crew And it's always that we shoot in your family the very best Though I've just read your family's review of Joker on rot and tomatoes and apparently they liked it So time to get in your family

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