Tomorrow - 180: Disney Minus

Episode Date: November 18, 2019

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Hey and welcome to tomorrow. I'm your host Josh Wattipolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss the Mandalorian, Gore-Tex, and Softbank. I don't always one minute. Let's get right into it. Well Ryan, it's been a very long time and so long. Needless to say, Tony, our big fan, Tony, our only fan Tony is very mad and disappointed and hurt more than anything. Tony, we've missed you more than you've missed us. I know. We missed you so much, Tony. I, so I went to a best by today. And I ended up buying a steel serious

keyboard. This is not an endorsement, but I have to say I started playing with I ended up buying a steel series keyboard. This is not an endorsement, but I have to say I started playing with this keyboard in the store. I do not like the way they look, but it's called the Apex Pro, I believe is the name of it. You can adjust the actuation of the keys like via a menu. Wow. In the computer. So anyhow, I'm pretty psyched about it. You can also like adjust all the lighting in a way that's really good in a really good like editor. It's just very, I'm a real cliche, real walking cliche.

I love that you found a way to blend two parts of your job, which is technology and writing. You've managed to blend the procrastination into one object that you can constantly search for the Holy Grail version of instead of doing work. It's a real problem. I think a lot of people are starting to recognize my serious issue that I'm having. Anyhow, you know, it's great. I have to say, I have to say, also, I went into a store with no intention of buying anything,

really, and then I was like, I also was like, oh, I think I need a new TV. I have to say, new TV is pretty good. There's OLEDs, real wow factor. I mean, if you... I know, I bought a TV like a year and a half ago, and I already regret it, which is always the thing with TV I said anyhow look there's been a lot going on. I don't know if you know our country is in freefall

You know our tech companies are destroying us from the inside out And there's you know and there's a new razor flip phone so You know like I mean let's talk let's try about the rate. Can we talk about the razor? I want it so that it's probably not a good daily device. But I mean, so as the, as the listener will know, you know, we're launching a technology news website in the near very near future called input input mag dot com and, uh, and called joystick dot com. It's both a cute.

Joy is, is Joy's a guy? it's going to be cute. Joystick, is Joystick, is Joystick's on business. I think they shot it down. Yeah, it's good. Anyhow, so, you know, Raymond Wong, our senior reviews editor,

went out and got to play around with the new razor. And like, I will say this, like, the, I've seen people who definitely are not, like tech nerds, like the response to the folding razor phone,

which by the way, let me just explain what it is in case you for some reason don't know, but how, why are you listening to this? It looks just like a razor from 2004, except it's bigger, and inside of it, it has a long, basically a candy bar or regular smartphone screen that folds into like a flip phone shape. And it looks really awesome.

It looks like weird because it looks exactly like the razor and kind of like strangely, like, I mean, it's kind of not attractive, but it's also very attractive. It is both like not, it's not, it doesn't look like sleek and functional in the way we've come to define those terms

in like the post iPhone 4 landscape. However, it is very sexy and very cool like looking. It looks like nothing else which, and not bad. It's just different and different is so refreshing. And I would say, I don't know whatever it is, it's like, incited some feeling. It might be a mixture of, I think it's a mixture of two things actually,

and maybe I'll have more to say on this in written form, but I think that like, there's two things that it's like, it's making people really excited about. One is that it obviously makes them nostalgic for the the razor and like the razor was like I mean I remember the razor was probably the first phone that I was ever like oh My god, I have to have this like this is so awesome looking it was like If if you're a Gen Z kid listening to this right now this sidekick was cool and a lot of people liked them

But nobody had them the razor was cool, and every single person had one. It was basically like an iPod, or like the iPhone, or like AirPods, like you saw them everywhere, and if you didn't have one, you secretly coveted them, even if you should talk to them. It was so cool and different and awesome. It was like spies would use it in movies, and it was something you could buy,

but you still believed that a spy would buy one. I mean, it was kind of the iPhone of its age. I mean, it was the iPhone. It was like as close as anything ever got to being like the must-have phone, you know? And anyhow, it was also just like, it's just a good, interesting design. So, I think there's two things happening.

One is I think there's like its intense nostalgia that it's creating, but I also think it looks in some way like a truly like an object from the future. Because like Samsung's concept of a folding phone is actually like, it's sort of dumb in a way. I mean, it's not dumb exactly, but it presupposes that like, it's basically your first idea. If someone said you could fold your phone

And you would take two iPhones and slap them together and be like no, it's a big phone Yeah, it's your first idea interesting, but it also like assumes that like People want a tablet and need a tablet and are excited about like going to like a tablet mode And I actually don't think most modern phone users. I mean, you know There's obviously a lot of iPads out there, but there aren't that many. There aren't as many as there are iPhones, you know, and people, many people who have iPhones are like, well, I have an iPhone. I don't need an iPad, you know, like a lot of people, they're, they're, their, their central communication device is the iPhone. They don't need a laptop and they don't want a, uh, an iPad. They are like a phone person.

Like people are just like, that's how they live now. So I think, so I think what's interesting is that the razor actually does something that people who want that kind of phone might actually want, which is like, it makes a big phone smaller. And then when you open it, it's like the phone that you want and the phone that you like to use. And I think that's really interesting. It's not a co-opt of the razor name.

It is what the original Razer did, which it took like the Motorola's and the StarTac and all these devices that were chunky and big and funny looking and confusing and frustrating to have on you. And it made something cool and sleek that like a teenager would slip into their low-rise, tight jeans. And you would never even know it was there.

And that is what the new Razer's doing. Is they really, they didn't use the name just to co-op the brand, which many times they have done. They took a device that was big and bulky, but you want everything it has to offer, which is the large screen and all the features. And it made it so that you could just slip it in your low-rise jeans.

And it's kind of funny and weird that we're back here, but it's also really exciting. And frankly, this is the one device that has gotten me like genuinely no caveats like, yeah, covetous since like, so here's the, so here's the problem. The guts of the razor are actually like pretty mid range, you know, because it needs to be on the iPhone. I mean, let's be clear. You know, like, it's on iPhone. Even if it had an ad dragon, 855, so anybody else, so anybody who needs an iPhone, who isn't like, uh, all, all about, you know, Android is not going to like this phone. Like, so, but it interesting, because I've seen people tweeting about

who definitely aren't like gadget nerds. I've seen people like, when I originally tweeted about it, people were like, oh yeah, well, that's because you're a gadget nerd. I've seen a lot of people who aren't gadget nerds saying, oh my god, I want this. I mean, listen, do we put some pictures of it on Instagram? It got a lot of people were liking it and talking about it.

And I've seen just an enormous amount of attention paid to it. And it's like, listen, Motorola's been kind of a dead brand for a while. And it's hard. I mean, how many times have they changed hands? Like ownership. They have truly needed a breakthrough moment since for like decades.

It's hard to get people excited about anything and so it's really interesting that people are excited about this, but I do think it's like, it's kind of perfectly in keeping with like, I don't know, like, I've been thinking a lot about, I've been playing Death Strand and I've been thinking a lot about, I've been thinking a lot about,

I mean, actually one of the things that we've been talking a lot about as we get ready for input is that like, is how technology extends beyond technology now. It's like, it's clothing, it's food, it's, it's like, you know, the tools that people use to create things. It's like, and I'm not saying like, oh, technology is culture because like, that was like, when we launched the verge, we're like, you know, culture and technology are intermingling. And that, when we launched the verge, we're like, you know, culture and technology are intermingling, and that's true, and it's happened. It's like almost complete, I would say.

But I think it's more about like the impact, like the aesthetic and the functional impact of technology on other things that's really interesting. And I think if you look at the razor, and I think this is something we're gonna explore a lot at input about like the world around technology, just not like the stuff, but the stuff around it as well. But like, and you know this, because it's like I'm talking, obviously, you know, but I'm telling the listener who doesn't know. But, but the razor looks like a phone of this

moment where it is like, it's almost like it's like a, it's like a, it's like from a, it's like from a tumbler that I would follow. You know, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like from a, it's like from a tumbler that I would follow. You know, it's like a, it's like a cyberpunk tumbler phone, but it's real. And it's like, it's kind of beautiful. It's kind of beautiful. It feels more like an away, you know, it's like, or ugly, beautiful, whatever the fuck we're calling it. It's like, it's like, it's looks like utilitarian

in an interesting way. You know, it's like, it isn't, it actually is like, oh, you're like, oh, I understand why it folds. Like, it, what it isn't it actually is like oh, you're like oh, I understand why it folds like it what it does explains It's purpose which I think is interesting You know like it's not like it's an iPhone's like this like When you think of a slab of glass you're like it's this obscure thing that like anything could be happening on that glass anything and everything this is like The device itself does what all the other slabs of glass do, ostensibly or presumably, but it like puts itself away,

and it lets you know that it can do that in a very visible and obvious manner. And that's like really interesting, because most phones don't do that. They don't like attempt to make themselves more convenient. Anyhow, these are just some random thoughts I've had about the phone. So I think it's interesting to see the aesthetics of it, which are so not, they aren't the clean lines of the iPhone. They're actually quite angular and almost 90s. They're kind of 90s looking.

And of course, the Razer is early 2000s, so not totally surprising, but it's just interesting. And I feel it's very reflective of this moment. Yes, feels very pre-911. So anyhow, so that's, you know, the razor, I'm excited about, I'm interested in it, I want it. I do, I mean, if it doesn't totally suck, it is one of those things that I would consider, like is this enough to make me want to switch back to Android?

I think it just has to be good enough It is one of those things that I would consider like is this enough to make me want to switch back to Android? I Think it just has to be good enough because the design idea is there and I'm willing to make some like You know browser speed slight compromises. I mean the incremental updates that we've seen from operating systems are great But like as long as it runs Android 10 and it does basically, it basically does everything that I needed to do with relative snappiness, it's a real selling factor to put something in my pocket that doesn't feel like I'm wearing armor all the time. And like I just went on vacation and our entire trip, I was conscious of the fact that my giant wallet and giant phone were like our entire trip, I was conscious of the fact that my giant wallet and giant phone were like keeping me from walking around as much, which is such a ridiculous thing, or you'd

have to like carry a bag on your day trip. And like it's just, we have so much stuff. Like AirPods now have their own case, and you have to have your keys, and you have to have a bad, an extendable battery pack, because unless like you decide to not take pictures on your phone, in which case you have to carry a camera, it could just so much shit to just do things now, that if I had that phone that was half the size, I would consider that a real gain, so I don't know.

I'll see when it comes out, but I'm excited that they're trying something new, and hopefully it's successful, and hopefully Apple will have to change up their formula a little bit. So anyway. I think I've said everything I need to say about the razor right now. Well, other things going on while I was gone, Disney plus launch, and I've used it a little bit, but I don't have as much experience

with it as I'm sure you do at this point. Well, they've done some really dumb things. I mean, it's kind of crazy. First of they put the Simpsons in 16.9. They literally cropped all of the early episodes of the Simpsons, which is. They literally cropped all of the early episodes of the Simpsons, which is one that I just find just totally perplexing. Like, what is the, what was the desire? What was the need here? It's like, it's unclear to me why they would do that,

except I mean people are dumb, and they're like, why isn't this filling my screen? And they would have to explain it to people. But like, on the flip side, on the flip side, they also, they also, well, they also, because they also did this thing where they put warnings on movies and they're like, this, you know, this film has like outdated cultural depictions. Like, it's racist, basically. So what's interesting is like, if they were worried about people going, like,

why doesn't this film my screen? Because people don't know what like 16 I don't know what like for three is like why not Have a warning on the Simpsons, which is like oh, hey, this was made at a time when like wide screen didn't exist And so it won't fill the entire screen or whatever so it's like people are really mad about that They're mad about the I mean, I guess Republicans are mad about the warnings because like They hate when you point out racism like Like, I like how Republicans, like, people on Fox News, you're talking about, I like how it's like, is it, isn't it okay

to be like, yeah, this was kind of racist? Like, can you not agree? Like, I know all Republicans are horrible, but like, can you not agree that some old things were actually racist? And it's like, okay, to be like, yeah, these were kind of racist just a heads up. Like, how is it your mad about, how can you be mad about that? It's such a weird thing to get, they're just like, it's such a weird, it's just an odd thing to get mad about.

You know what I mean? Like, they're just racist, and they're just pretending to be mad about that. They're racist. No, but that's different. No, no, no, that's different. I get it, they're like disrespect in the flag or whatever. I mean, that's different. No, no, no, no, that's different. I get it. They're like disrespect in the flag or whatever.

I mean, that's, you know, but the thing is, but we, but we, that bothers them. But then there are also the people who fly Confederate flags, which how is that not just not the one I don't want to get in the whole political thing, but what I'm saying is you're just racism, racists who bend their argument and whatever. No, I know I agree. Yeah, I'm just saying, but I don't care about their fault. I'm just saying that they were mad. And I think it's strange and funny that they're mad

about something that seems extremely harmless, which is like, hey, by the way, like this movie's really rude about Asian people, because they are at any rate. So whatever. I mean, I like their consistency where they're just like, we just have to believe in all the worst of. Sorry, that's kind of our thing.

Okay, so then people are mad about that. Then, honestly, the selection of stuff on it seems like completely underwhelming. I have no idea why I subscribed to it. I guess it was to watch the first episode of the Mandalorian, which kind of has, in my opinion, the effects are sort of bad. The first few scenes, I was like, this looks fake. This looks really kind of cheesy to me. I kind of liked it for that reason.

I liked it for that reason. Cause it's more 70. Maybe I enjoyed the twist. I also took some time out of my day too. Oh, then they like, they added some new thing with the Han Solo grito scene. Like now like grito yells something that didn't yell before.

McCleck's key. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't. I'm not. That's like back. I'm not like I'm not following it close enough to really know.

It's got like new or it's old and they put it back in or whatever, but also I don't get it. It's not. It's just so random and I actually looked it. I actually watched a comparison of like the new Star Wars stuff. Like something had done. And this is from a long time ago when they when George Lucas, you know, released his like final like Lucas Fied versions of them. And I have to say like it's really bad and dumb. It's really bad and dumb. Like I get it if like there's like a string

in the scene like holding up a ship and you're like, you know, I really didn't want that string to be visible. But like, just let it be the thing. Just move on. I honestly, I have to recommend to people by Disney Plus. Like, I got three years for 70 bucks or whatever. It's fine. You'll feel like it's legal. And then go tourment, tourant or by like the regular movies. So, look, pay for your thing. And then go tourant, Harmie's specialized edition, which is the version of the Star Wars with everything removed that was with the closest you can get digitally to the recreation of the original 1977 film.

And just like watch that, the torrented burn it to a disc, put it on a hard drive and watch that. There's no reason for anyone to watch these shitty fucking CGI disasters. I saw somewhere, somebody was like, they're like, oh, like, you know, all these mainstream services have like created an uptick in BitTorning.

And which I think is like very fair, like there is like one thing from all these things I want to watch. Like I got, I also got Apple TV, started watching their shows. I mean, the morning show is like bad, but it's good. It's like not good, but it's very hot. It's high camp.

It's like very watchable. Here's the way, best way I can describe it. I'm used to watching, I don't watch like any of the network shows. Like I know a lot of people are like, Gray's Anatomy is great. Like to me, the morning show feels like it has like the watchability of a Gray's Anatomy is great. Like to me, the morning show feels like it has like the watchability of a Grey's Anatomy.

Like, it's not exactly good, but it's like a solid hour of, I will watch these people do their like whatever little soap opera. Um, yeah, like here's the thing, you want to see Reese with us, but we give a feminist rant and like actually have some insightful questions for a sexual assault survivor. Cool, that's in there. You want to watch a journalist give out their big scoop and then turn to the camera with their hair whipping and say extra extra. Yeah, I mean. You know how to do it right? You're like, you're supposed to get that. It's a mess. It's, and they, and the whole like me two stuff they do and it. Some of it's actually pretty smart and some of it's actually cringyly, cringingly dumb and both sidesy, which is an interesting thing to explore if you can do it the

right way. Sometimes they get it right. You got to get them a little bit of credit, I guess, for trying. It's clear that they were going to make a show about, let's do a show about Matt Lauer. No, no, no, no It's clear that originally I think and this is true. They were gonna make a show about like the in fighting on like the today's show You know or whatever it's can be like oh the caddiness of like morning news anchors and it was gonna be you yeah But like then the Matt Lauer shit went down and they were like wait a second now. There's a plot Like a real one and I think that they've done like a pretty good job with exploring that to some extent,

but it's like they have to couch like reality in like a very watchable show, you know, which is problematic for dealing with like the reality of what Matt Lauer was doing, you know? Here's the thing. You can't make Steve Carell, you can't make Steve Carell, like, sympathetic as we reveal that he's actually horrible, because then you're asking the viewer to be like, to go, well, I mean, he's not all bad. And it's like, that's true.

But that's not, but that's really not like, that's really not. But isn't that breaking bad? Isn't that madman? Isn't that texture? I mean, that badman's a little different, because like madman is like, that's really like that's really that breaking bad isn't that madman is no no I mean Barry had men's a little different because like madman is like it's very obvious that the don draper is like a sexual predator And like he's not exactly a hero like I mean don draper is like kind of a sad character, you know like he's sort of pathetic and Well, I kind of find Steve Carl's character to be be very well. Steve Carell's character is pathetic. I guess it's similar in that like there maybe because he's not the main character.

It reads as if we're giving sympathy to someone, but not fully exploring them. Right. Because we're busy exploring Reese with a Spoon of John Aniston. Whereas on the sopranos, it was really exploring Tony. And we knew that Tony was the guy we were breaking down. Right, and I feel like the opening is there for that character to have a realization and a mehikolpa and some redemption, which is fine, which is possible.

They haven't really revealed the extent to how bad the character is. Anyhow, listen, I guess the fact that we're having this much of a conversation about it, maybe suggests that it's better than everybody says it is, but I don't think it's very good. It belies Apple's experience making, sorry, one more time. It belies Apple's lack of experience making content. And I think they hired some executives

that were behind some good things and some creatives that were behind some good things and some stars. They definitely have a lot of stars and they have the money to throw at making a prestige show. But that's not everything that goes into making a show and it's like 80% there. But that last 20% is so bad that it's in the age of so much TV, so polished HBO pumping it out.

Like the Golden Compass or his dark materials Look at watchmen these shows are so lush and good and if you can't get to a hundred percent or even 95 percent You get a little washed out and I think also my issue with Apple plus and Disney plus which I think we're circling towards is I think these platforms don't do anything with the fact that they're natively digital. They, Disney putting a warning in front of Lady in the tramp saying that like these had it, this is Asian stereotypes and it's outdated. That's, I guess, that is them admitting that that's a problem, that like they know that there was racist depictions and you should probably give some context.

But the fact that they don't release song of the South and yet they still have Splash Mountain, which is a song of the South themed ride and they still sell all those characters as plushes in the Disney parks. And whatever, there's a conflict there. There's also a conflict with the fact that they put this context label up

but they don't actually make it contextualized. They say like, this is racist, and like kids around the world just look away, like the VHS FBI warning of my childhood, and then they watch the movie. What they should, they could do is lock the content behind a three minute explanation of the context of the time and the depictions by Asian people explaining why it was problematic, and then say, but I hope you find something to enjoy within this film of its time. For more information, you can click this box,

or tap this box, or at the end of the movie, we'll have more information about what the Asian community felt and was affected by our production of this film. And they didn't do any of that. They just threw up a warning, which is the laziest way to do it. They didn't put the Simpsons in four by three, and then you could hit a button if you wanted it to fill your screen. They didn't do that.

They didn't create content that's natively digital, that is an experience you can only get in Disney Plus. They created shows which could air on ABC or on, you know, FX or whatever other networks they own. They didn't create an interface or an algorithm that really finds what you want to watch and make sure it's seamless you want to watch and make sure it's seamless for you to watch it. They just cloned Netflix in the janky way and threw it on some servers and called it

a day. And Apple's version is basically the same. They made the morning show, which is a show that, like you've identified, could have aired in 2003. There's nothing revolutionary there. The MeToo stuff is a little bit, but none of it's natively digital. So all of this for the price that we're paying feels exploitative because we had Netflix 10 years ago.

So I don't know what they're doing. That's like, clone it. And people are just like, hey, I don't want to be in your platform and I can be on my own platform. Or like, Apple's like, why should we seed all of the subscription stuff to those guys, right? Like, basically, is what you're saying. And so now we're getting all these shows that are like, I mean, it's like, we don't

need that much. Like, yeah, they're like half-baked. I mean, that I think this is true of HBO too. I think HBO's the quality of the shows that they choose to make has gone dramatically downhill because they're like in this scramble now where everybody's got to do everything, you know? And like, I mean, HBO Max is not from the HBO team. That's a bunch of former TNT executives who took the name and are pumping out show using the brand day. And that should tell you everything you kind of need to know about HBO Max. I mean, we're obviously going to have, we're obviously going to have breakouts, but I still

think we're in a, we're in a, I mean, you can only make, there's only so much that's going to be great. I mean, honestly, and, uh, yeah, I mean, it does feel like a lot of these shows, like I'll give you an example. I mean, I was gonna say what is not good. Like we watched, I've watched two, maybe two and a half episodes of Dickinson, which is, oh yeah. When we think of the best way, like the price of the show is, it's copula Marie and to net went to coach. Yeah, it's like Dickinson Emily Dickinson Fox. Like I'm not sure what the I'm like Emily Dickinson is a manic pixie dream girl.

Like that's it's like something like that. Like is like a gay manic pixie dream girl or something. It's like, you know, but still like it's just like. So here's the thing that's like really annoying about that show. Besides the fact that like people are like totally and doing like, like all of the music is rap and it's just like, which is fine, but it's like, I get it. Like, it's like Dickinson, but like you can get teens into it. Is that the idea? It's like teens will be into this version of Dickinson of, yeah, it's basically like what if Emily Dickinson was,

and we told her story, but it was a CW show and what if at the time, it hit pop and totally. No, no, no, no, that's a great setup. What if we told Emily Dickinson's story, but we put it into modern context or whatever, right? But here's the problem, it's not fucking Emily Dickinson's story.

When Emily Dickinson wrote the poems that they show her writing in that, she was like a 30 year old grown ass woman. She was not, she also, her parents didn't do any of the things that they show them doing in the show. Like, there's an episode where Emily Dickinson's sneaks into school because she wasn't allowed to go. It's like, Emily Dickinson went to school.

Like, she wasn't forbidden from going and taking like, going to go. It's like Emily Dickson went to school. Like she like wasn't forbidden from like going and taking like, like going to school. Like it's a kind of ridiculous setup where it's like, somebody was like, what if Emily Dickson but like modern context and they were like, I love that. And they're like, and what if, instead of her writing the poems when she was like an adult, she was a teen and they're like, yeah, that sounds good.

And they're like, and what if like, she wasn't allowed to go to school even though she actually wasn't actually in reality? And they're like, okay, is this Emily Dickens? It's sort of like, what if her father was really mean and abusive and her mother was really sad? And they're like, okay,

that's not actually the story. It's like, what's the story? You had an idea for a teen character and you thought like, it's an adaptation of a real world person in the style of a graphic novel character, but the problem is, is Emily Dickinson isn't a graphic novel character. She was a real world person who actually was queer

and had real life struggles with depression and suicide. And like, it is a real, like, that's a real person story. And when you start taking that level of lessons, I just like, it's just like, I get your idea, but you can't do none of it. You can't like, you can't like have, like recreate the Emily Dickens and character, but like make her funky.

And then also, be like, all of the facts about her life we're gonna change and then call her Emily Dickensin. You know, it's like, I mean, I get it. It's artistic license, but I think they like need to have their license revoke, you know what I mean? Boom. Anyhow, that shows really fucking bad. And like, I admire all the people who are in it.

There's some great acting and stuff, but like, it's like kind of cringeworthy, like, to watch it and frustrating. And that's it. It has to be like 100% medically accurate, but like, it has to be somewhat of Emily Dickens in story. And how? So yeah, I do think this is sort of this part of this problem of like everybody's wants to be in this game and they don't care like how they get there. Well, in other

news, do you want to talk about the Surface Pro X, your biggest disappointment of 2019? I was just, as I said, I was just in Best Buy. I was actually looking at the Surface Pro X and then in the Surface Pro 7, next to each other. Yeah, I mean, a Surface Pro X is like, I reviewed just, as I said, I was just in Best Buy. I was actually looking at the Service Pro X and then in the Service Pro 7, next to each other. Yeah, I mean, Service Pro X is like, I reviewed it. Raymond reviewed the Service Pro 7 and like basically, like the Service Pro X is an awesome piece of hardware. Super thin, it's like, just like compact.

The keyboard now has like a slot for the pen to sit inside if it's like a new pen. It's like really fucking cool. It just like like doesn't really run the real version of Windows. It runs Windows RT, which is like an arm version that doesn't like use regular Windows software. And it's slow as hell. It's like really sluggish. And it's not fun to use. And like my honestly, my service pro four, like actually runs better than the service pro X. And the service pro four came out like, I mean, it's like three generations old.

So yeah, it's just kind of sad. I mean, I admire what Microsoft is doing. I think I really, I actually think I might get a new service pro seven. Even though Raiden loved it that much, like it is an upgrade. But like, I really am disappointed they couldn't get like the better form factor with like better performance and like true windows. And I say this is a person who has previously truly hated windows, like I kind of like it now and like I'm into it. And like honestly, I could see myself

like using the service pro X full time if it wasn't so miserably slow and incompatible with my favorite software. Yeah, that's my entire thought. It just seems to me like everybody's rushing to create a replacement for the laptop when like I'm still using my laptop and it's great. And like my iPad's fine to watch TV shows. Like that's fine, I don't really need it, but I have it, I use it to draw or whatever.

My phone's great, my Mac OS laptop and my Windows desktop are great. Like everyone's rushing to make another Windows, like a different Windows that runs on like ARM processors or whatever, and like everyone's rushing to turn iOS into like a full real OS and everyone wants, and I don't know, like we already kind of have those things. And it feels like we're're racing to recreate the wheel. And I guess, yes, it's great that Windows now runs

on another setup. But I don't understand if you can't run Dropbox, if you can't, it basics software that everyone has installed doesn't work, I just feel like Microsoft, you just, you have to go to Dropbox and give them a million dollars to make a version that works. Like, we're just, you can't launch a product in 2019

that like none of the apps work. Like that was, that was a strategy for 10 years ago. I don't know why. Why? Many of the apps work, but, but many don't. Not like regular Dropbox. Yeah. Many of the apps work, but many don't. Not like regular Dropbox, which is nuts. I mean, it's Dropbox, you know? Kind of a must have.

Also, it doesn't have Photoshop. Doesn't have any of the Adobe sweet stuff. Like, you know, it's like the pens cool, but like, you know, pain 3D is not like people's go to. So, it's a tough sell. So in other news, Apple put out a laptop who cares? Yeah, I honestly don't care. It's, it's very expensive.

It has supposedly went back to the old, the old keyboard design, which is a great like like there should be more conversation about how they were like, we've done it. We've fixed keyboards forever. There's like three for three years. They've just been like, I mean, three or four years out and how long it's been. The people might not shitty keyboards at break.

And now they're like, oh, I'm actually sorry about that. Here's the new one. It's the old keyboard, whatever. Fine, that's it. We don't have to say anything else about it. Well, in other news, we work has imploded into itself, has been bailed out by Investor Softbank, who also is the main investor behind Uber, another business

I'm very suspicious of. And it kind of signals what needs to be the end of the current way that startup culture has functioned, which is just like someone has an idea, you throw money at it as a loss leader until it's ubiquitous, and then question mark, question mark, question mark profit. And that has worked a couple times, but it doesn't, like these businesses without business models, it's like that.

I think what we do it, it's been a suspicious thing. I think we're getting to more. I mean, I remember when we were raising money and then got some money for the outline and independent media, people, I was like, you know, my plan is like our plan is to try to like figure out what to get to profitability as soon as possible. And like we didn't, but people were like investors were somewhat surprised and nervous

about that. They were like, well, maybe you should experiment more first. And it's like, yeah, maybe, but there are like much larger media businesses that have been experimenting for like a decade. And they're not profitable either. And it's like, maybe the first function of the machine should be like, does it work for consumers and can we make money off of it? It's like, because actually,

there are things such things as scalable businesses. Like a normal business goes kind of like, you do a thing, you try it, it works, you like see a path to profitability and then like either you keep doing that until you get there or you take some money because like you now have a plan to get there. I would say modern VC back businesses.

Or you say we're gonna make a social network, we're gonna get a bunch of people on it, we're gonna try to grow, we're gonna throw $50 million at this, $100 million at this, but once we reach a ubiquity point, we'll be able to make the money back and add. And this is the calculation of what each user will be worth. But those are so few and far between, and there is so much money. That's what I mean. That doesn't apply to real estate. But the reality is there are like, there are noable forms of business and they can be executed upon and they don't require infinite amounts of money. We worked thing was like, you can kind of see the blind investing from people.

It's like, I mean, I remember going into our, because we had a we work for a little while, and going in and thinking like, this seems kind of janky. Like people put billions and billions of dollars into this. Like, I feel like they, this is like kind of bottom of the barrel, like in a lot of ways.

And like the reality is like, a lot of what seemed possible with we work was just a really good investor deck and a really convincing CEO. And there's way too many of those. I was in two we works and there was times when there was no cold brew for a week and suddenly the beer was taken away and then the bathrooms weren't cleaned or it was extremely inconsistent. There would be a food market one day. It would disappear. The only dependable thing about a we work for me, the only thing that I was like this rules, well two things. Fruit water, great idea, definitely put fruit and water. Two, mail room, which they licensed

out, they had like a sub company doing it. And they, whoever they had doing their mail room was on the ball and easy to use and friendly, and I liked their mail system. Other than that, other than having packages delivered to their address, everything was so inconsistent. There would be times when sofas would just be ripped and then get fixed three weeks later, but they would just be ripped. And it was like, yeah, it made a really great sort of a small problem in the grand scheme of things.

But like, the reality is I just think it's like, I just think that the amount of money that being thrown at it, you can't regularly bring beer in? I mean, once you become the largest, you know, leaser of retail space in New York, and you're not like even close to profitability, that should be, you know, that's alarming. That's a pretty great, I mean, that's like a housing crisis size problem,

but just from coming from a different direction. I just think, listen, everybody I've talked to, every CEO, every investor, everybody now is like, yeah, man, it's all about profitability. Like, you got to get to profitability. You hear all these people talking now. Everybody's like, oh, yeah, we're profitable, we're near profitability. And it's like, some people are. And that's good. Now everybody's like, oh yeah, we're profitable or we're like we're near profitability and it's like some people are and that's good. But like you can't keep running businesses where they're not real businesses. At some point you have to say it's a real business. We can we can do this without the support of more VC money.

We can do this without another investment. We can do this without a merger. Like you got to get there, you know, and it's really hard and most people are not going to get there. And so, you know, I think it's good that we're starting to separate out the, I don't know. But then you've got this entire, the infrastructure of we were just now, essentially, unlike, it's on the welfare of Softbank, which is a problematic case. Well, I mean, it's also a thing of the housing bubble was one bubble. But we're also in a bubble where like

A lot of people depend on these businesses that don't have a plan towards profitability A lot of people would be laid off if we were just closed its doors A lot of people have switched to driving over as supplemental income that they depend on Might not even be a living wage, but they depend on it A lot of people have been employed to figure out how lime scooters are going to work. And to throw all that money, all that capital, all those resources away on an idea like that, you're right. That's a housing like crisis level bubble. And it's either going to pop really fast or it's going to pop slow, but it's going to pop. And the idea

that Silicon Valley was gonna save us all and was gonna just keep innovating and reinvent the bus so many times that it would, it would, it would all equal out on a societal level. Isn't like, ends up, doesn't work. It's as bad as like, trickle down economics. And like, we have to pump the brakes on it.

And I think like what's been happening in media is the early tremors of what's gonna happen across a lot of tech, a lot of streaming services. Like basically every new business that's been created in the last 20 or 30 years that reports to be of this new economy, this like attention economy, the sharing economy, the blend of the both, it, it, this is unsustainable. Like we can't have this many streaming services. We can't have and make them all profitable. We can't have this many. We can't have this many. Like, have you been to a target recently?

Like, we're drowning in like random fucking goods. I mean, like, it's nuts. I mean, it's nuts. Well, that was the weird thing. There's always the weird thing about being in Europe is that you go to a food, like you go to a supermarket and there isn't, there's a lot of choice, but there isn't the level of just a astounding choice.

If you wanna buy ketchup in the US, there's 1500 brands and yet Heinzones 99% of the market and there's all these, but to do that for every single area of society, we media has gotten the first brunt of it, but we can't have a hundred different scooter services sharing services and none of them get the idea of. You want to have competition in the marketplace, but I mean, I just, I do think like, one has to add, I mean, have you looked at like

the deodorant options recently? Like, first off, there's a store and there's a chain. Well, are you talking about deodorant, your purchase in the store? Deodorant, you get from a subscription. Natural deodorant. Like, that's all good comp. It's also like, I mean, we are like a wash in like goods and services and they are not all sustainable. Like, it just is like, I know that it seems like they are because like, things are okay right now. And I know that like, VCs are putting money into things

and so it seems like everything has a chance. But the reality is that everything does not have a chance. And there are going to be winners and losers. There's gonna be a lot more losers than winners. And like I get like the free market argument, but like we have so much of everything. It's not like, like you know what we don't, you know we don't have, we don't have,

we don't have a resource. We don't have on them. We don't like, like things that people really need. It's like yeah there's like you can get a lot of different like you can get a lot of different catch ups but like if you want health care, sorry, like you know, like you can watch any TV show ever created and dozens more are published everybody. There's so much streaming content, but do you want to go to a class and learn how to weld? Because that's two.

I say it. I say it. I say it. I understand. We're bordering on a political discussion, but I also worry because there are innovators where tech is helping education, but they're not offset by the amount of money and physical resources being pulled out of the earth that end up being wasted on just someone to say this guy idea. That yeah, listen, I say this also as a person who loves to buy things and loves to get new things and loves the idea of people making new things that are actually good or better than what has come before them. But I do think it's like you get to a point, I mean, not that this is about necessarily about we work. I mean, we work as a different set of problems, but you do get to a point where, you know, you start to say like, I mean, what was, what, what,

you know, essentially, we worked in a really interesting problem because they were like, they were like, hey, all these startups need like places to work and they don't like office space is expensive and it's hard to get and it takes a long time. And if you grow really fast, you need to get and that's like a really good like fundamental idea, which is expensive and it's hard to get and it takes a long time and if you grow really fast you need to get. And that's like a really good like fundamental idea which is like we're here to support other startups. But like you're also a startup that doesn't have its model figured out

and you're kind of in the same weirdly and a really gigantic version of the same thing that all of those companies are experiencing which is like what if we need to shrink really quickly or what if we need to grow really quickly or what if our business model change is completely or like, you know, and it's like you're just like, it's such an unsustainable cycle to be, you know, it's like you're building, it's like you're building, you know, skyscrapers on sand, like you have to have something that's real somewhere down at the bottom, you know what I mean? It's like, it has to go down to something foundational, you know, like a real business underneath it.

And so, I just feel like in so many ways, I mean, we're intermingling a bunch of arguments here, which is like, socialized healthcare, and the globalized marketplace, which is creating, and then also we work like folly. But anyhow, like, let's put an end point in the WeWork conversation. Apparently they wanted to have John Lezier,

the CEO of T-Mobile, who like, I guess kind of turn T-Mobile around. I mean, it's weird because I think of John Lezier as a person who was just sort of like a Twitter personality. And like, I guess he also is actually a CEO who does like CEO stuff when he's not like on both of you. And a mascot. It's a good look. Like, yeah, like, well, I don't think Mickey Mouse is actually the CEO. It's a good, it's good. But anyhow, so apparently he's not going to be really. He's not going

to become the, I mean, dude, if somebody came to me and was like, hey, we want you to be the CEO of WeWork. Okay, I'm a little different because I'm not the CEO of T-Mobile. But they're like, we want you to be the CEO of WeWork. It's like, you mean the company that is like definitely in free fall and is like, probably unsavable in a way? I mean, yeah, that sounds like a real bummer. Like, you know what that CEO is?

You're the CEO of Layup. You're like the CEO of Layoffs. You're like a bit of a cat. You're the CEO of like cut back. You're the CEO of downsizing. Like, that's not the fun part of the job. I can tell you that. I mean, this is the storyline on succession. I don't think it is the storyline of succession.

It is, Holly Hunter. Anyway, no spoilers. Kind of, but not really. Well, do you want to talk about the Snapchat spectacles or death stranding? And I know what you're answering. Oh my God, it was about death strain. I'm actually wearing a a jumpsuit right now inspired by I'm looking for the perfect jumpsuit. I'm not going to say why I'm looking for one. Well, have you been playing that stranding? Because I have yet to play a plane that strand suit. I'm not going to say why, but let's just say I'm looking for one. Well, have you been playing Death Stranding?

Because I have yet to play Death Stranding. I started playing Death Stranding. It is both fascinating and tedious. I will say this, like I think, like graphically and just like in terms of world building, I think like Kajima has done an amazing job. And I think like all the actors in it are great. I think there's some really interesting plot ideas and plot points. I think the game is like very incoherent right now. I'm at a point where, you know, I'm not that far into it. I've probably played for all of five or six hours, maybe eight.

And um, a Kojima game. Yeah, it's like, you're a lot of stuff going on where you're like, okay, I guess, yeah, I mean, sure, I'll go along with whatever the fuck they're talking about here, but I don't really know what it means. But it's really enjoyable to a point. I'm like the way I've been playing it, and this is maybe true of just like my schedule.

I've been playing like a couple of hours a night, and then I gotta like pack it up because a lot of it is like honestly, there's kind of a teed. I love walking around doing nothing, but the game is like, it really is, you're like you're walking traversing massive distances, like trying to balance these packages on your back.

It's so weird. And like, you're trying to like deliver these packages and balance them and also like just at random moments you'll be like assaulted by some kind of like demonic hell force that like sucks you into so I don't even understand what the game is doing. I don't know what's happening. I don't know if I can.

It's about working for Amazon Prime. I don't know if you could fight. I don't know. It's like unclear if I can fight the things that are attacking me. I certainly have had no success like hiding from them. It's always becomes like a nightmare situation where you're in like this black liquid. But then also you carry around a baby. This is the possibly the worst most insane part of the game. You carry around a baby. No, no, but you carry around a baby. People love their part. And like if you fall or if like something attacks you, the baby starts crying.

And like if you're a person who's had an actual crying baby, it is like fucking terror. It is terror to hear it. And it comes out of your controller, of course, because why not? And you've to soothe the baby. But I think it's also interesting to imagine like, tens of millions of like young men around the globe,

like soothing a child, like having been forced into this, like definitely like a lot of gamers out there aren't like, I love babies and I can't wait to be a dad. And now millions and millions of them are like forced to like contend with a crying baby, which I think is like kind of the most, it's the truth, but it's not even like,

how do you have like 21, 18? It's not, like,, but it's not even like Oh my gosh, he like 2019, but it's not like Progyma like It's not Tomagotchi level because like you can't do that much except like stop it from crying really Well, Kojima said that he thought that parenting was the ultimate video game and one day he wanted to create a Situation where you would be given all of the frustrations and responsibilities of parenting in you would grow attached to like the child or the like replacement child, whatever it is.

And like that was his one of his like big goals. And so I think this is like an iteration on that of like getting people to explore the idea of like being overwhelmed and then on top of that, like a baby is crying at you and you need to like care for it. But his instinct to let gamers suffer is always very interesting and always very rewarding in the end. But with the sheer amount of stuff that I have to play, I don't actively like want to choose to suffer

for six hours at a close. Yeah, it's a lot of that. It's a lot of like, I mean listen, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. There are a lot of people who play the Sims and love it. You know, and the Sims is like, it's a job in a lot of ways. Right. Well, the Sims is really passive.

And I mean, Nintendo's philosophy has always been the means justify the ends, which is like it doesn't really matter what the game is about if it's colorful the art styles good and it's the mechanics are fun to play like it feels fun while you're doing it. The story can really be about anything and that's additive and fine music if the music is good like you'll sit and play. That's a great philosophy. Whereas Kojima's vision is usually the end to justify the mean. So like if he has to make you rake you over the goals for 72 hours in order to get you to an emotional point where you like actually have this philosophical realization about the world and your experience, he'll do it.

And I'm just getting to a point in my life where I can't commit that amount of time and frustration, I think. Yeah, I mean, I'm very interested in continuing the story. I'm playing on a relatively easy mode where I can like, you know, not have to like get good. I don't really want to get good at like fighting things in the game, that's not of interest to me.

Like, but yeah, yeah, I want to explore, but like right now there's like, you just want to explore. Like the things I can explore are very limited to like large areas of grass where I have to like deliver things and build things and but I think I'm early in the game It's interesting. I will say there are a lot of really I think that I think that they did a really they've done something different here

I also there's also like a community, which I don't fully understand yet, but like, it seems that other players in the game have some connection to my game. I can't tell how much of it is like, really in the game or like, like actually another person or it's part of the game, but that's maybe part of like the brilliance of it. Also like the kind of like how Mario Kart

on your iPhone pretends that other people are playing with you and it affects you, the kind of like how Mario Kart on your iPhone pretends that other people are playing with you, and it affects you, but in reality, they're like ghosts. Yeah, I know, but I think this might actually have other people as well. It's unclear, I need to dig into what the deals with it. Also, the payment system in the game is likes, like literal likes, which is,

that's the money in the game, I think. Also, like, it's just, there's just a weird shit. It's just like, I'm in a part of the game where they're like, yeah, like, we used to have AI and automated delivery, but people didn't like it. So we switched to, we switched to human, we switched back to like human delivering things. And now it's like, it's like a culture of delivery. And I'm like, what are you talking about? This is- I feel like with his games, I always think that. I always think like this is a whole incoherent mess of ideas and it doesn't gel

and I don't get it in mobile. And then at the games over and a year later, I look back and I go, man, I fucking get it now. That was tight and cool. Like, his stuff is always hard for me to parse. And then at some point, I like, it all comes together and I have like a that-so-rave-in moment where I'm like, oh, it was about loss or whatever.

Ha-ha-ha. Yeah, yeah. Uh, I mean, at any rate. So listen, I think it's death-stranding. It's no big deal. I think it's, I mean, it's, maybe it is though. I don't know. I don't know.

I mean, we may never know. All right, is there anything else to talk about? We should do a short one. It's Sunday afternoon, and we're gonna do another one later this week like a real one, and we're gonna be committed to getting tomorrow back on track. Yeah, we're getting back on schedule. We're trying.

We're trying. There's a lot going on right now believe me You'll understand very soon a lot of shit happening Yeah, I mean this is my friend anything from a new apartment. Oh my god. This is not it's not that's exciting But it's not really the biggest problem with our podcast not happening. I Mean it's part of it. I was traveling and moved. We're launching a new website. We're changing offices yet again. We like, there's a lot going on. This is all technically Ryan's fault. Well, do you want to do nice things? Sure. Let's do nice things. All right. You go first.

Oh, you want me to go first? Yeah, no problem. Okay, so well, I already, I kind of talked about all my nice things, but oh, well, I will say this. I, so I went to, I'm looking for, for coveralls, but I was, I've been increasingly, I mean, I know, like Jeff, it has, I wrote the story for us about how workwear is the future of fashion, like many years ago at the outline. I have to say, like, I'm increasingly,

like filling my closets with like, very utilitarian workwear. And like, I, I'm like, it's not so much that I'm trying filling my closets with very utilitarian workwear. It's not so much that I'm trying to be fashionable, but there is something, and I think death stranding to pick this. Again, I think this is stuff we're going to be covering to talk about more on input. There's this interesting utilitarianism to that clothing that really is, I don't have time or patience. I mean, for a while, I've been kind of dressing

in essentially a uniform, but like increasingly, I might actually, I think I might actually like wear a uniform because like, the time and effort it takes to like find like, to think about whatever is trending when like what you really need something that's functional and feels good and like at least looks, you know, reasonable on you.

I don't know, like I feel like there's something really interesting there, so I just wanna say, also the clothing is well made and affordable, which is a really nice thing for clothing to be. The other thing is I just wanna comment on the SteelSeries keyboard that I got again, I talked about at the beginning of the podcast. I'm not like into gaming keyboards at all,

I'm certainly not into full-size keyboards, but I have to say this the the the feel of the the attenuation on the on the on the keys here the feel of the keys and the action is really really fucking good and the fact that you can adjust it and many other things like from an actual like panel on your computer is pretty amazing. And it is a joy to type on. I've kind of not been buying a lot of keyboards lately because I think I kind of hit like a peak of like I've experienced all the keyboards there are to experience.

And this feels like like I really what I really wish they would do is like make a smaller version. They do make a 10 keyless version of this, but I wish they would make like an even more compact version of this keyboard. Also, I need make an even more compact version of this keyboard. Also, I need to interrogate what the keycap options are, but I think those are my nice things. It's funny that you bring up utilitarian clothing because two things. One, I was thinking a lot about utilitarian clothing because I was thinking about how

there was this movement in the 2000s, which everything was as aesthetic as possible. Like everything was very glossy, kind of shallow, not useful, and then we pivoted to like mad men mid-century sort of bespoke hipster. Like everything had to be authentic. We were like chasing an authenticity that had been absent in like the 90s and 2000s. And then now we're in this area where it's like,

things are simple, but a simple top, like a black turtleneck or whatever, which is fine, but not identifiable in some sense. There's no movement that I've been seeing where I'm like, wow, fashion. Skinny jeans, try every year to get us off of skinny jeans and every year consumers are like, no, we look good in these and we already have them and fuck you, which is new for the fashion industry. They're not used to hearing that. And you know, obviously Instagram has made everything micro trends as opposed to like actual trends.

But I was thinking like, what's the next step after authenticity? Like what's the next like real like like what's the next like thing that could capture our imagination? And when I was in Amsterdam last week, everyone there dresses in very utilitarian clothes. Like, we were wearing like, you know, overcoats that were like wool and very warm, but they weren't like, there's like a Gore text to everything that they wear.

And everything that I was seeing was like a little high beast, a little soft boy, like in the face or whatever, but mostly everything was really like velcro, or like really like plastic-y, or like like warm heat tech, whatever like uni-close stuff. And everyone's shoes were really like chunky, but also very functional for the rain.

And like I get that that's a function of their climate, but it was also just, it felt like a whole trend movement that I hadn't seen. And I kind of really liked. Everything was just very like our REI or very like Patagonia. And I was like, this is kind of cool because you buy less stuff and the stuff is like stronger and more useful for you and less about being seen,

even though that's still a little part of it with the hype piece influence. So I don't know, I thought it was very interesting and I can definitely see that things going there in the future and it kind of matches up with what I've been feeling about designing my new apartment, which is like, I don't want fake books, I don't want fake fruit, I don't want a candle-leane

ever light, I only want to buy stuff that I genuinely like the design of that I have a use for. Like I don't want to buy a dresser that I don't have anything to put in it just because I like the dresser, which is like how I grew up, I grew up in like a living room where you couldn't touch anything. And I feel like there's a big movement happening towards like having less, but having it be functional and having it be stuff that you're really like and that like is a physical manifestation of like you and your like sense of yourself and stuff Which is I know a lot of like big-headed stuff for like you buying a jumpsuit But it is part of like a thing that I think is happening which I think is really interesting

So I don't know it's kind of interesting to hear you say that because me and John were spent the whole last week talking about it I think there definitely is I mean I mean it's not surprising that people are moving towards, I mean, I don't know. Maybe this goes to stuff, tells a little bit with our, like, the idea of, you know, they're being excessive amounts of everything.

I mean, it's probably worth like saying that, maybe it's time to start thinking about things that actually like are built to last and, like, will not just be something that end up in the dumpster in like a year. Like I think maybe fat, maybe a fast fashion, no fast fashion. Right. And my knowledge came to an end. Like I think that might be good because like it's not great to like just because like it's nice to be able to get something for cheap and throw it out and not worry about it.

It's not great to like just throw out clothes when you've decided like you want to, you know, you'd like to revamp your wardrobe. I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying. I, maybe it's, maybe there's a better way to live. Well, listen, I think getting new things is great, but like get the right things, which is actually like, you know, not to go back to input, though, clearly we getting new vigs is great, but like get the right things, which is actually like, with input, not to go back to input, though, clearly we're thinking about it a lot.

That is sort of one of the things is like, like, it's not just like that there's stuff, it's like there's the right stuff and the wrong stuff and like, like you should be invested in the right stuff and not waste your fucking money or time on the wrong stuff. So, anyhow, I'll go fast. My nice thing for the week is I went to Amsterdam. Again, obviously I had the best time.

I love the Netherlands. Amsterdam is such a beautiful, wonderful city. The people there are great. The food was amazing. I could easily love there. I loved it. But my favorite thing when I went was we went to a theme park called F-Tling, which if you don't know about it is older than Disneyland and based entirely on original IP.

So it's very like fantasies and myths of Europe. And there's some crossover with Disney because Disney obviously co-opted things like Snow White. But it is very original and it's very polished. It's in many ways it is a true competitor to Disneyland Paris. It has triple A level rides, amazing immersion, beautiful theme, great food. It's got tons of its own quirks and ideas and secrets, and I didn't know any of this going in, and I had the best time. I cannot recommend it enough. If you are

at all a theme park person, if you happen to find yourself in the Netherlands or Germany or somewhere nearby, it is worth a day. I had a delightful time. The rides were wonderful because it was the low season. Some stuff was closed, but there was no weight on any lines. The food was spectacular. And as a Disney fan, I'm always looking for a way to enjoy theme parks and amusement parks, which I love, especially ones with really heavy theming.

I love that. I'm always looking for a way to do it without supporting necessarily the Disney medium and Appley, and Universal is basically just like, you know, the Coke Zero version of Disney. It's great, and it's got its own benefits. I love Universal, but they're both massive corporations, and you feel kind of shitty throwing your money at them, and especially Disney has depended entirely on their IP in the last few years to make rides. There's a real lack of original storytelling, original characters, or unique experiences just to the parks. Everything has to be based on Harry Potter or Star Wars or Avatar or The Simpsons. And to go to a place where the rides told original stories with AAA level

theming and technology, completely new characters, things that I, I mean, they were in Dutch, but I understood the story. It was so overwhelming and I had such a good time and I cannot recommend it enough. Definitely check it out. They've got like shows, they've got rides, they've got everything and I had a really good time. I enjoyed Amsterdam all around and I could talk

for an hour about it, but I won't, but that was my big highlight. So that's my nice thing. Wow. Wow. I want to go. That sounds great. Awesome. I'm ready. I'm ready. All right. We're thinking of going. Let's get out of here. I'm going to go start. We'll start drinking. Yeah. Let's get out of here. All right. Well, listen, we'll be back later in the week, obviously. And we're gonna, again, to Tony, we apologize. And we're gonna, we promise. We promise, baby, this time it's gonna be different.

Bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back later in the week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best though I've just been informed that there's a new addition to your family But it's strapped your chest and it won't stop crying when you fall over you