Tomorrow - 187: House Arrest

Episode Date: March 16, 2020

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Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Josh Wattipolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss COVID-19, Barbie's Dreamhouse and JJ Abrams. I don't always want to minute. Let's get right into it. Ryan, we're back. We're better than ever. Everything is fine. no one is sick. The world is in great shape. The economy is roaring. Technology companies are putting out great new products. New films are being released to theaters that everyone is going to see. And it's just that everything is fan, and there are no, there's not a pandemic going on.

There are no deadly viruses being spread amongst a population that will not fucking stay home and self-quarantine instead of going to bars. So everything is great. We did it, guys. We created Utopia, and all it took was free market capitalism. We did it. The free market is spoken. Anyhow, Ryan, we're back. It's the tomorrow podcast, as you didn't see. As you may well know. And there's you know, there's a lot of stuff going around the world right now. And I haven't left our homes in a while, but better time to get back on the airwaves, the digital airwaves and spread our message like a virus to the people, a message

of hope, of goodwill, of freedom, and of most importantly of staying the fuck home and not doing shit and not talking to friends and not going to bars so that we can stop the spread of my new best friend, COVID-19, AKA the novel coronavirus. I also love that it's still like novel. Like novel to me says like, you know, candy that closes the dark. Yeah, it doesn't say like, it's a great novel to it. It's a technical, know, candy that closes the door. Yeah. It doesn't say anything.

It's a great novel, dude. It's a technical, it's a medical term. Yeah. It's a medically accurate term. Anyhow, we're back. It's Sunday right now, actually. We're gonna, I suppose we'll put this up tomorrow. I don't know.

Maybe we'll start just doing tomorrow every day, like, you know, because there is always a tomorrow until coronavirus has its way with us. I don't know yet, but what a great time to be alive and to be podcasting really. I'm just, you know, I was panicking about this, like, apocalypticly, like a week ago, and honestly, I'm just so happy that everyone caught up. Like I genuinely, I don't know if it's everyone.

I'm really, really happy that my parents are listening. Well, everyone I care about. Let's talk about that for a second. So just to give everyone an update, if you don't live in a society. So we're in like the real shit now here in America where people have realized that Trump has completely bungled his handling of the coronavirus without enough testing or quarantining of people. We now have a virus that is spreading somewhat out of control. And so companies and states and cities have taken it into their own hands to start telling

people to stay home to stop the spread of the virus. Because at this point, we kind of cross the threshold from like, we can reduce the spread of the virus by lots of testing and quarantining. Like the government completely mishandled that, that's not going to happen. Now, we're at the point where it's like, if you stay home, if you don't go out, if you don't meet up with friends, if you limit your, if you practice social distancing and limit your contact with people,

you can slow down the spread of this greatly. And so now, everybody's like, yes, that we should do that. Except there are people who are going out to bars and restaurants, you see this all over Twitter. There are people who are in airports. I mean, partially because I caught it. I mean, I'm sorry, it's the cotton. The Trump administration made it, created a situation for,

for people trying to get back to America, where they basically were like, we're not going to let anybody who's not in America back into America, and it created this insane confusion about who could actually come home. And so you've got airports that are crammed full of people trying to rush back to the United States. The United States is now, I think I said something in Australia, the United States is now the number one spreader of coronavirus in places like Australia. And anyhow, it's

really good stuff. So we're dealing with this situation where we've got a government that's completely out of control and lost a plot. You've got a very poor handling of this pandemic. And you have people who are just stupid. Like I don't know any other way to describe it. They're just their brains don't work right. There was a video of a girl on Twitter going around this morning and she's in St. Patrick's Day outfit and she's jumping around and hugging her friends in a giant crowd and she said,

you know, I'm, I'm immunocompromised, but I took my vitamins and I, you know, I'm, I'm young. So I feel like, you know, you have to live your life and I literally thought she's going to die. No, but that's fine. I mean, at this point, you have to basically say it's not fine. Obviously, I don't want anybody to die. But if you were making a decision, by the way, I had a half an hour long argument with my parents today, who I can't tell if they're fucking with me or not, but they're like, we like to go out to eat. I'm like, you don't fucking understand. You're literally at the highest risk of anybody for this thing. And like, I don't know how good like the Applebee's hamburger is or whatever, but is it worth your life?

I doubt it. But you have people, like the girl you're just describing, like people are just like, it's no big deal. It's just like the flu, it's like whatever, it's like yeah, their brains aren't working, they're not listening, they're not reading, they're not thinking. And so like the sad part is, they will infect other people

who are reading and listening, hopefully, at least maybe not all of them because they're staying home. But, you know, the reality is like, I'm not gonna say this is natural selection at work, but if you are like, I'm not gonna say this is natural selection at work, but if you are like, I'm not going to ignore the governor and all of the doctors and all of the history of this virus in other countries, in places like Italy where it's like full-blown epidemic and the country is on lockdown in France where it's like a full-blown epidemic, if you're

gonna do that and just go out and have a beer, like, I don't know, I guess like your time has come. The sad thing is you're gonna take other people with you, but your time has definitely come. Like you need to be smart. And if you're not smart, fuck you. Again, I was apocalypticly talking about this like a week and a half ago, not to be like, I told you so, but because I felt really lonely

and my husband was like not believing me. He was like not taking it in and he was laughing a little bit. And I felt like I didn't know if I was losing my mind or being gaslit. And I was like, I don't know, like I'm asking you to trust me here and start stocking up with me and stop going to work and we had a huge fight. And he finally gave in and in the last few days has come to realize not just that I was right, but that this is like actually happening. But I think what really stabbed me to attention was that my parents, again, who my mom tries to not, if you haven't heard me talk about my parents before, my mom tries to stay out of politics and anything in the news

and my dad has pivoted to Trumpism. And it took your dad is back into Trump now. He has stepped back his level of support, but he's still generally like, I like some of the things he does and his like some of his ideas. You know what I mean? He's got great ideas.

But it was yesterday like last night slash this morning, my dad was like, eat small meals. If you want to come home now is your choice. You either stay in the city from here out or you go home, like to their house. You, he was like to take out cash, have cash on hand. He was like, do you have, we went through a checklist of like a pocket knife, like a bunch of different stuff. And it was like, you know, as much as that's really scary,

it's also such a relief that their takes are really, my parents did not have such a sane reaction. Well, my mom owns a daycare and so she's going to be a vector for transmission one way or another. And they need to shut that down. Well, she can do that, but a lot of her clients are nurses and police officers, and she wants them to be able to go and do their jobs. Well, I mean, that's so, yeah. That's how there's a huge issue in New York. I mean, that's a big deal right now.

Like, I don't know, everywhere. So obviously, I'm not gonna go to their house because I don't wanna get this or spread it, but also like, thank God they're at least taking it seriously and they're gonna have supplies on hand, because also like anyone who has a general health condition, just like if you have a heart condition, if you have diabetes, like the hospitals cannot take care

of you during this. So everyone who has to give birth has to have a plan to give birth at home. Yeah, exactly. It's, it's look, I mean, shit's very real right now and very serious. At least people are taking it seriously. It's all I wanted to wrap it up with is at least everyone I care about is taking it very seriously. And we at work, our team took it very seriously for the most part. And I just want everyone

that I care about to be informed and safe. And I have to deal with the fact that I can't like save every day, but I'm trying to take like comfort. Yeah, like, like, I mean, people are, there are some people that are being like willfully ignorant. There are a lot of people who are actually like getting it. And there's a think of some people, a lot of people in between who don't really know what to think or what to do. And because we have such horrible leadership in

this country, because the president is more worried about his reelection and the economy than he is about people's lives, you know, like we have a really bad situation. I literally just tweeted this thing that somebody shared from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology. It's a notice they sent, I guess, on Facebook. The NTNU strongly recommends that all NTNU students who are outside Norway return home. This applies, especially if you were staying in a country with poorly developed health services and infrastructure and or collective infrastructure. For example, the USA, like that's the deal. We are not we're not a developed country.

I mean, basically certainly not when it comes to public health, certainly not when it comes to healthcare. I mean, it's such an incredible, I mean, look, I mean, we could, we could, I can't think of anything that matters more than healthcare and transportation and we're not a developed country in those senses. So, excuse me, I was taking a sip of water. The, the, you know, I don't want to get a whole political thing because that's a no hole. Other fucking bag. I mean, we'll talk about politics a little bit, but I don't know how to talk about anything.

Right. But the, but the, I mean, it's not even about, I mean, yes, of course, the universal healthcare question that the medic, medic care for all that is obviously this brings it into stark relief. You know, like that it really shines a light on how bad it is that people have to be worried. They can't even go into a doctor and say, I think I may have this disease, this virus. Can you test me for it? But just like the handling of it, I mean, from a governmental perspective, I mean, there is now, it's widely documented that the president of the United States withheld further screening and testing because he thought he told people

that it would hurt his reelection if there were higher numbers of infected people in America. Like, there are so many layers to the insanity of that. I mean, one, it should be criminal to literally kill people, to literally damage public health on a widespread level to help your reelection, to your at least to try to. But secondly, the logic of thinking

that if you don't test people, that the numbers somehow will stay down just because you're artificially not showing them, the idea that you don't understand how a virus literally fucking spreads, that it gets uncontainable, that you can't be like, oh, it didn't happen. You know, is insane. And like, you know, we just have like a very,

like we're a very broken country. And I mean, Trump has done more to further the breaking of this country than any president in modern history by a long shot. And there's, I'm not even in modern history, in history. And you can't even, there's not even an argument. Now, I can't imagine people going to polls and fucking voting for this guy at this point,

except if they have just fucking their brainwashed or they have brain damage. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I don't care who it is. And I know I've said this before, you've got to fucking cleanse the system of this guy and his fucking cronies. They're so corrupt.

And now we have a literal like pandemic that is going to kill thousands and thousands and thousands of people. I mean, it's going to kill in this country. It's going to be hundreds of thousands, if not millions. I, you know, and like, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's a crazy time to be alive. Can't believe and I can't imagine what it must be like within the Bernie campaign right now, because there is a debate tonight. This episode will probably go up by then, but you guys will probably

listen to this tomorrow. So you'll know how things shook out. But right now, I feel so tense and anxious because honestly, it genuinely feels like the weight of the world is on this 80 year old man's shoulders because if he has a glorious moment where he can cut through and explain to people as much as I hate Bill Clinton, the way that Bill Clinton was able to or the way that Obama was able to and reach people and grab them by the face and explain to them what we need to do going forward and why we should understand, like, have empathy for each other and create social safety nets, like unless he's able to do going forward and why we should understand, like, have empathy for each other and create social safety nets, like unless he's able to do that tonight, like, things are not, we're not getting, like things will not even close to better. I mean, I know that I know we're going to live in a

world that's post pre and post virus, and I know that this virus will probably never really go away, but we have to, as a society, as a species, be better than how we've been. And like, if this man has an opportunity on the world platform, maybe one of the last times to get everybody on board with that. And I can't imagine being him right now. Like I normally don't try to write fan fiction about politicians or empathize with them as people because it really doesn't matter. But I right now I'm like,

I can't imagine what him and his wife must be feeling. Well, I'll be honest with you. I mean, I've been thinking a lot about the presidential election and the what's happening right now. And I mean, if you read Bernie's recent tweets, about the presidential election and what's happening right now. And I mean, if you read Bernie's recent tweets, I think there's something really interesting in his tone that is striking.

Like for instance, two couple of hours ago, he tweeted, tonight the American people will see Joe Biden and myself on a debate stage, one-on-one, debating the solutions to the enormous crises facing our country. I hope you will tune into CNN and APN. So, okay, like, there's something

that's particularly non-adversarial in this tone. Now, I understand like, Ernie's got fewer delegates and everybody's saying Biden's a shoe in and all this stuff. But there's something about, I think, what's happening right now. I mean, we are in uncharted fucking territory. I think the tone, he needs, I think what you're saying is the tone he needs is calm, compassionate, empathetic,

intelligent, comprehensive, you know what I mean? Yeah, but also, but I mean, I'll go even beyond that. I mean, you have to imagine at this point, like, this is so beyond politics, it's so beyond the primary, like what we're dealing with right now is so, I mean, we can't even take stock of it at this point. I don't think, I don't think we have the ability to like take a full view of what is happening, but what's happening at this moment is absolutely unprecedented in modern history,

in at least in America. I mean, you've got the most corrupt, most vacant, most craven administration in history. And we are facing a real thing that cannot be lied out of, cannot be tweeted around, cannot be covered up. Like they're trying to cover it up. But it's very clearly, I mean, you've got Andrew Cuomo.

You got Andrew Cuomo on a fucking broadcast every day going like, yeah, like the president's fucking blowing this and we're gonna need to do like self-quarantine and curfews or whatever to like fucking deal with it. Like that's real, you know, you can't like, there's no way to spin this where it looks like things are under control. And so now you've got this like democratic primary going on and we have this huge divide right it's like Boomers and older people have heavily gravitated towards Biden young people have heavily gravitated towards Bernie and it's like I actually would not I'm here's my fantasy

Okay, here's my fucking fantasy that I wish like that I hope can happen That Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are on the phone right now, we're in a room somewhere, hopefully they've been tested. And they're like, we need to figure this out together, one way or another, like, we need to bring people together to fucking get Trump out of office and fix the country. My fantasy, and I know nobody wants to hear this, my fantasy is that tonight, at the end of the debate,

they're like, we've decided to join forces. I agree. I agree. We have to go with our Bernie. Bernie is going to be a vice president. Biden's going to be president. Frankly, I don't care what arrangement it takes. The idea that you can take. Yeah, that's the best.

Sure, no, but like Biden's not going to be like, fuck you because people, like he's winning the vote. You know what I mean? Like, what the point is, I think we need to like, think bigger than, this is so much bigger than the boomers versus the millennials. It's so much bigger than wanting extreme progressivism versus the moderate thinking.

It's like, we need to reach factor the whole framework of the fucking government. Now, I agree that Bernie has a much stronger, bigger, more thoughtful plan to do that. But the reality is he, he's not winning the vote right now, not all of it that he needs to win. Honestly, we got to figure out a way to make this eighth like slam dunk, you know? Honestly, they should on air tonight talk about the level of seriousness that this is, talk about the level of comprehensive policy and reform it's going to take to claw our way out of this at some point.

And for a little bit of theatrics, they should flip a coin on air and decide who will be president and say, we're teaming up. And everyone in our party, you need to fall into line with, if you trusted us before, trust our agreement now and fall into line with, if you trusted us before, trust our agreement now and fall into line and let us do this. And that theatrics would go viral and it would be a PR moment. And I think it would create a wave of return to sanity

and that we would be able to unite. I think the Bernie people and the Biden people are ex-istentially scared and we would be able to move forward. I think if that doesn't happen, or if Bernie doesn't sit down and genuinely inspire an entire country of 300 million people. I mean, I got news for you.

You're not gonna flip boomers who are for Biden right now in a state of like a pandemic with Trump absolutely fucking asleep at the wheel. You're not gonna flip people to Bernie. I mean, I don't wanna be a nihilist here. There is, but I do think that if he goes up there and says, every single person should be guaranteed healthcare so this never happens again.

And Biden says, I don't know, I think we should expand on the bottom of the care. No, right. That's the mistake. They have to say, this is the thing. Yes, this is what I'm talking about. It's like, I agree with you. I, if I fucking, if we turn on this debate tonight

and it's Biden and Bernie arguing about their difference in opinion about how you pay for universal healthcare or Medicare for all or whatever the fuck we're calling it now, that's the fucking wrong conversation to be having at this moment. You know, it's like this moment is like everybody needs healthcare in this country.

There's no way you could not see it. Now you may disagree on how to pay for it because to me, what I hear is like, there's actually like, Biden's like, everybody needs healthcare in this country. There's no way you could not see it. Now, you may disagree on how to pay for it, because to me, what I hear is like, there's actually, Biden's like, I think your nation have healthcare, but how do you pay for it? And Bernie's like, I think your nation have healthcare, here's how you pay for it.

The disagreement is not, should people have healthcare? I know everybody thinks that Biden's like, the devil. I don't think he is. Obama, again, is the first president in ages ever in this country to actually get people more people covered and actually try to put like a single pair option and shit into practice. I mean, Hillary did it in like the fucking 90s, tried to do it in the 90s, but like at any rate, but what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, the fucking, we need to just have them come together and say we're gonna figure this out together whoever wins

Whoever wins this primary we're gonna work on this together and we're gonna fix it together If they can do that I mean like honestly I would love for Bernie to be in the lead position But it's like I can't change the minds of these fucking older voters and I don't think anybody else can. Like they just feel comfortable with Biden for whatever fucking reason. But what I want is somebody besides Biden who is going to push the agenda that we need in the country.

And I just feel like at this point, don't aren't they saying to each other, we gotta fucking do something radical. Like we cannot pretend like this is business as usual with this primary. You know? am I crazy? No. Dude, I'm sorry.

I'm just looking at a tweet right now, just as I've been talking. The Donald Trump scent of fucking printout of the stock market with his autograph on it, two blue dobs. It's the most insane thing I've ever seen in my entire life. It's completely outrageous. I'm genuinely speaking. I'm just looking at it, like trying to understand. I mean, this guy's so fucking small-minded.

I also think he's just insane. Oh, he's definitely insane. He's so small-minded. He is such a fucking peanut brain. It's insane. Like, I think he, actually, this is two days ago, sorry. This was two days ago. So, I guess it was at the close of market.

No, I assumed. Yeah. I think he's not just Craven. He's not just morally corrupt. He's not just senile. He's not just, you know, evil. I think he's genuinely like a madman. That's fucking insane.

It's really not good. Anyhow. So, look, the point is, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're unprecedented, uncharted territory. And we simply need for people to really fucking come together. That's my hope. My real sincere hope is that... I haven't felt this way since 9-11.

And I kind of, it's a little bit of relief because I felt like this was coming. Well, I mean, it's like you knew there was going to be, I mean, you knew there was going to be something eventually that changed the path we were on. There had to be a plan. But like, you can't just, you know, you can't just, it doesn't work like you can't have endless,

like you can't be the worst thing ever and then have endless success, like, eventually something's gotta give, you know? And like, the reality is that there are some, this is by the way, there are some things happening in the background that we can't see that are gonna have repercussions and this is a perfect example of it.

You've got all the stuff that Trump did where he's pulling away the people that we need firing, the organizations shutting down the organization's firing people who are in charge of dealing with things like pandemics. And then we have a fucking pandemic. Like there's cause and effect, you know? This is not random. At some point, like people needed a wake-up call. I mean, there's not random at some point.

Like people needed a wake up call. I mean, they were in a death. They're in a death call. Yeah, it's not anyhow. So look, so here we are. We're at, we're at home. We're stopped. We've stocked up. You know, and look, honestly, I just to turn to for a second to the small

joys that we can take from all of this. I love being home. I actually get more work done when I'm at home. I'm able to write and edit and read more when I'm not in meetings and not getting pulled into conversations and can actually look at what's going on. I mean, being a press freelancer has trained me for this in a way like an Olympic coach could not have. I mean, I used to blog.

We literally, literally half of my career has spent, has been spent like sitting at home. Like, yeah, at end gadget, when I first started at end gadget, everybody, no one ever went into the office, it was like a running joke. We're like, yeah, you could go in, but why would you? You know, and like, yeah, we got shit done. You know, there are many, many things you can do

where you don't have to go to an office, now more than ever. So like, Frankly, I feel a renewed sense of vigor for what we do. Yeah, there's a lot of shit to write about. There's a lot of stories to tell. There's a lot of, you know, there's fascinating things to talk about. And, you know, now we're the never people

sitting at home, fucking with nothing to do basically, looking for content. And here we are. Content. The content, the content guys, the content bros. On that note, so speaking of content, I purchased Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker to watch again. And I have to say it really is an incredibly bad movie

on many, many levels. I mean, just, it's dog shit. It's shockingly bad when like it didn't have to be. Like there are certain parts of it where I'm like, I totally understand that they have to make some concessions to close out a story like this. You're not gonna please everybody. But, but man, what none of been nice

to have had a plan from the first movie or the story with them? Yes, it's so crazy, right. Just imagine, just think. They, apparently they started the first, this reboot or whatever, this new series, right, with the Force Awakens, which I thought was a great movie. I really like it a lot. And it's the story of this girl who is, you know, discovers

that she has some Force power Jedi powers. And it's this sort of like story about how, you know, I mean, in that movie at least, it's a story about, you know, how, in the most unlikely places, you know, the forces can break through, like a weed growing through cracks in the pavement, or some shit like that. I don't know, whatever. You know, it was a good adventure story

about like a new, some new Jedi people. And there's like a new bad guy, and he's like the grandson of Darth Vader, and it's like, all right, this all makes sense. Like this is interesting, you know the fight continues um And Then it's like just like you would think at that point you go all right now. Let's think about this

character that we're gonna we're gonna bet on this Ray character and this This Kylo Ren character and we're gonna be we're gonna really map out how they get from this point, why they're at this point at the first movie and how they get to the end point in the last movie because there's gotta be like a reason for all of it, you know? And then it's like, they didn't actually have a reason. They didn't actually have a story. There was no like underlying theme fueling it.

I mean, they even had in the second movie, which I didn't really like either the last Jedi, which now by the way seems great by comparison. They even had, they even had like, like, it definitely put it, it definitely put it in a better light. It like, for me, it went from like being like a six out of 10 to like an eight out of 10 or like, it went from being like a five out of 10 to a seven out of 10. But um, in the second one, they kind of get at something, you're like, oh, that's interesting. Like, I don't know if I'm fully into it, but they're kind of like the Jedi are everywhere. And it just takes something to awaken.

They don't have to be like part of one of these famous families or whatever. And then the third movie, they were just like, look, can we just go back to the original story? Like we don't, we don't have it. We don't have you haven't figured it out. We don't know. Just bring Palpatine back to life. He's always a good villain. He'll be pulling the strings again in the background.

He'll do some force lightning. I mean, they started writing. They started a tour of a thing that people loved. And once they started trying to play some new tracks, they realized that was difficult. And so they just started playing the hits. But it made for a very weird show. Like we're talking about the stones.

They're like, we just put out a new record. People are like, please play, fucking start me up. Like, that's what I want to hear. Like, please do not play whatever the song is you recorded in 2019. Like, no one wants that. But like, honestly, there could have been a good song. There could have been good new songs.

They could have done the interesting thing. It would require them to have had faith in their own ideas and that understanding that not everyone is going to like it. Some people are gonna wanna hear the hits and you have to write that off if you're gonna make something new because you can't deliver that. But even if they wanted to bring,

like even if Palpatine, even if Palpatine was the underlying force behind all, I mean, they literally had this other guy, Snoke. And they're like, what's the big mystery of Snoke? And then they kind of do away with Snoke. And you're like, wow, I mean, but like if Palpatine was the underlying force, like they literally in the third movie, they're like, it opens with this, it opens with Palpatine's back. It's like, what? What do you mean Palpatine's back?

Like you've been fighting all these other people, you got Kylo Ren and you have this the fucking first order and all these pieces of snow and now you're like just Palpatine's back and everybody's like, oh, we always knew this could happen. I already talked about this in the podcast by the way but I just need to reiterate how insane it is. The layas like, they're like, oh, we always knew this could happen. I already talked about this in the podcast, by the way, but I just need to reiterate how insane it is. The layas, they're like, oh yeah, cloning and dark arts.

And layas, we always knew this could happen. It's like, you did? Because it feels like you might brought it up earlier, like when Snoke was in the mix, you might have been like, well, Snoke seems bad, but he might just be a puppet of Palpatine, who you know might return us, we've always talked about. You know, or like, you know, they might be like, oh, Kylo, he's turned, you know, Ben return us, we've always talked about. You know, or like, you know, they might be like,

oh, Kylo, he's turned, you know, Ben solos turned bad. Like, it seems like Palpatine might be behind this, but how is that possible? Well, there's cloning, oh, okay, well, something good to think about as we go through the rest of these, you know, these adventures were on. There's no, Palpatine's back, just whatever, everybody's like, yeah, duh, like, of course he's back.

And it's just like so, they're so, they're writing so fucking heavy handed. Every scene in that movie is like, it's like video game writing and bad video game writing, where it's like, the movie's literally like this. They're like, there's a, you need to find this part,

they're like, you need to turn on this thing. You know in every game, there's this shit where it's like, you need to find this part. So like, you need to turn on this thing. You know in every game, there's this shit where it's like, you need to open this door, but the power is out. And you're like, ah, fuck, I gotta turn the power on. You go to the power, you gotta get like a switch. You go to the power room and it's like, you need the break circuit breaker that's located in the basement.

You're like, fuck, I gotta go down to the basement. And it's like, yeah, it's like, I'm gonna have to fight like the boss to get the circuit breaker and then like you get trapped in something It's like you need the crank to get out of this. I am describing Resident Evil by the way I was like you need the crank to get out of this you're like fuck I just need to get the circuit breaker back to the power thing so I can lower this thing That's literally like the plot of the third star with new Star Wars movie It's like we gotta just Muguffin on top of Muguffin on Star Wars. I mean, it starts with Kylo Ren has this fucking thing,

this like device that he found on a planet randomly. And he's like, oh, this will help me get to Palpatine. Then he's flying, does he Palpatine? And then he sees Palpatine. He's like, oh yeah, we made Snow God of At. And also, I've been controlling this all along and now I need you to do something for me. And he's like, all right, you know, it's like,

and then they have to go find a sword or know a knife. Then the good guys are like, we need to find a crash ship that has a knife in it, that has a code on it, that will show you a location on the death star, that will show you where the fucking, the other thing is to take it a snow, or to Palpatine.

It's like, guys, what is this? Like, I don't want this. Like, you need a story. It can't just be people going. You need to trust in the characters you created instead of rewriting their personality in every movie to fit whatever McGuffin plot. Well, it's not even like the characters

is just like the good guy and the bad guy. I mean, Rose Tico, as polarizing as she is, got a reaction out of people and had like an arc that contributed to the larger universe and had a breakthrough moment with Finn and, you know, those two characters fell for each other in a way and then in the beginning of this movie, Rose is like, I'm gonna stay back to chew an oil change on this car.

You're like, what? And all the lay stuff is like, dude, you guys could have killed her in the movie that was made like during her death. Like you should have been like, we need to kill off this character now because to bring her back later will seem really weird.

And guess what? It does. Like we are living in reality. I know you want the character to continue on, but like the layus scenes in the new movie are like very obviously weird CGI shit. And they're very upsetting. And honestly, it's like weekend at Bernice.

Yeah, and she's like, she's like, says stuff like, you're like, where did you get this dialogue? Was this like her goofing around on the set and they just happened to capture it? She's like, well, you can never trust a droid. And I'm like, this is this is the lay of stuff. We waited around for the post-JAMIS relay information. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

She's like, hey, is there any coffee at crafty? Yeah, she's like, how sweet. The palpathy thing just blows my mind. She's like, well, we always do this could happen. It's like, is that, do you wrote the dialogue or that was all you had to work with? Because it's just, I think that one of the lights on set dimmed a little

and they had had a discussion earlier about how that light might dim. And so while they were changing and she said, we always knew this could happen. Yeah, seriously. Seriously. Seriously. It's like, and everybody just kind of,

they keep showing shots over her shoulder, just her hair. And you're like, yeah, we get it. You got a stand-in to be to be lay up with the hair or whatever. It's like, it just feels so goofy. You know, it feels honestly, honestly, it feels disrespectful to the woman who passed away. It's disrespectful to the woman and also really more importantly to the fans. But I'm gonna fucking give you. and also really more importantly to the fans. But I'm gonna fuck you, Gilly.

But the, I mean, she used to do an hour-long special. It's on HBO, you can stream it. You've got nothing but time. It was in the dialogue from that I understand. And she said in that, one of her biggest jokes is every time I look in a mirror, I have to pay George Lucas a dollar. And it was a giant resentment of hers

that she didn't own her own image and then to take that and and we can't at Bernies her for some really cringy bad movie. Oh, couldn't do me. And then not with Billy Lord walking around the set. Then and then they've got, um, fucking, you know, uh, Han shows up at the end, you know, uh, he's just like you could tell Harrison Ford's like, you gotta be fucking kidding me that you're making me do more scenes for these movies. Somewhere in the world, the coolest of Lockhart

was like, it's 10 million dollars. She's like, chitching. Um, no, but like, but like, everybody just seems to be phoning it in. I do, I do think here's the thing that's annoying. Like, there are, there are some moments that are really good. Like, there are, oh my God, I just remember the snake thing. The fight scenes are wonderful.

Well, I hate all of the space action scenes. I hate all of the flying scenes. Like, I realize, watch this movie, I'm like, I fucking hate these like, these like scenes where like, it's like CGI ships shooting at each other or just like they do nothing for me. They do nothing for me.

There's no, I'm like. It was way more fun when they built those out of practical effects. That was a way cooler. And also like if you feel like there's something besides some bullshit McEuff and Hunt that the characters are running from or chasing after, it's like, so there are scenes that are really good.

Like, I mean, just by the way, I hope you know that these are, they're filled with spoilers. If you've been listening to this and you're not aware that we're spoiling the movie for you, you've got problems. So if you're a Star Wars fan and you don't know what happened to them, what the fuck? What the fuck? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. Okay. There's a scene where they get the knife and and and Ray heals a snake just a apropos of nothing Oh injured snake shows up so she can heal it so later on when she heals Kylo Ren we can be like oh, he's like the snake He's just an injured animal which is again like writing from the mind of a 12 year old, okay? Yeah, and then okay but like Then they're going, they're trying to make a getaway

and Chewie gets arrested or whatever. I guess, I don't know what they call it, he gets taken by the first or captured, yeah. And then there's this whole scene where like, Ray's like flexing her power and she's like pulling this like starship down and it's like, that's fucking awesome. And it's like really cool because like,

you start to see like a character that could have been where it's like a really tortured character. Like the idea of Ray should have been in this movie like she really is drawn to the dark side, and like she sees like how her powers can get the better of her and each you can do unbelievable things, but there's a consequence.

So it's like she's like, I killed Chui. She blows up the ship or whatever. And then like, hold on. Then like, sorry, they're like, I killed Chui. And I was like, holy fuck, they killed Chui. That's a bold fucking move. That's a real move for a real movie.

You killed a major character that's been in nine fucking movies or whatever. That's a big deal. And then literally, like, we gotta get out of here and then it's like, cut to, Chewie's alive. And then they have another scene falling. It's like even the little things, they have another scene that follows that,

where the cast is mourning Chewie's death, when the audience now knows that Chewie is indeed and you're kind of like, why wouldn't you just reverse the order of these scenes where you're like, holy fuck, they killed Choui, then they're like, oh my God, they're dealing, she's like recognizing and dealing with the consequences of having killed Choui and you're like, fuck man, they killed Choui, I can't believe it.

And wow, this is like, she's turning to the dark side. And then it's like, wait, Choui's alive, wait, maybe all hope is not lost. Even the basic things of like the sequence of those, or don't seem right to me in this movie. And I'm just rambling now. I just think it comes down to a failing of, and I know everyone harps on the prequels, but the original trilogy really sold you on the philosophy of the Jedi.

And the prequels should have really sold you on the philosophy of the set. Yes. Like in earnest. And then these movies should have been a character caught between who understands both philosophies and then creates a third way. And about selfishness and selflessness and it should have ended with a message of like, you put your oxygen mask on first, but then you immediately go and have other people. And it should have been like the end of the Jedi, the end of the Sith, and the beginning of something else. And that would have been such a beautiful message. And so needed right now. And not to be like, you know, center is a win. But I do think it's needed to say, like, like, we all that really matters is that we survive and take care of each other and have

empathy. And like, it could have been a really beautiful. And honestly, I think the last jet I said it up that they could have gotten there. And to whiff it, snow bad. I mean, I love the idea of... I love the idea of... I need something new, other than the battle between good and evil. You know, like, and this idea of testing,

whether or not someone will go to the dark side, is actually feels like a pretty well-trod and sort of outmoded concept. And so, like, there's something interesting that they kind of almost touch on, like, to your point, with both Ray and with Kylo Ren of them being... And I think Rise the Jet, I actually does this really well, where it shows this intense struggle that's like on a cosmic level for them, right? It's one thing to be like a young person who doesn't, you don't know who you are. It's another thing when there's like literal cosmic forces that are like drawing you to one side or the other. But like, yes, it would have been so interesting

for something, this is like kind of getting to the, the thing that frustrates me probably the most about the fucking movie. And I really was thinking about it a lot last night and tweeting about it when I was watching. It's like, what does Palpatine even want at this point? Like, he's like got a boner for being killed and replaced by Ray. So like the Sith have like a new leader.

But like, he doesn't have to like, destroy the Jedi to do that like You know, I mean he basically could do that. I mean, it's like I don't even know why he doesn't like the Jedi I don't it's not explained in any way at any point certainly not in this movie What it is what it is the emperor wants to do once he gets control Like he wants control of the galaxy like he wants control of the galaxy, like he wants control of every planet. It's like, okay, why?

Like, to like get more like tax dollars from the residents, like to, to like corner the market on some kind of trade, like what to what end? Like what happens when he gets it? And also why he's been trying for like, you know, hundreds of years to kill all the Jedi and it never seems to be working. And it's like, dude, it's like a clone of a clone or whatever.

And now he's like, got no fingers. And it's like, what, what are you doing here? Also, and I don't want to, I don't want to go down this rabbit hole again, but how do those ships get built? Where did they come from? I mean, it's not even, they don't even who's on how to how do they have a staff is every ship staffed. How many people is that? It's like probably like millions of people and I understand the big people get mad because they're like, you know, a plot holes don't matter. But if you're

not taking the constraints of the universe seriously, if you're not taking the characters seriously, the limits, the like, if you're not coming up with creative solutions to those problems, that you can still deliver the overall message you were going for, you undermine our faith that there is a message and you undermine our faith that the characters mean anything or that anything means anything in the story you're telling. And so it's just, means anything in this story you're telling. And so it's just, it's weird to me that JJ Abrams has operated at this level for this long with, and has this much experience

and had this much budget and this much creative, like a huge creative bank to pull from for the series. And that this is what we got. I thought he was like a super fan. How can, I don't understand how someone walks away from that last movie and doesn't like hang their head and change it's such a bad movie. And it's very frustrating because it was

no setup for success. It's a bad movie, it's poorly written. I don't even know who was trying to like, who was trying to please, like, who was it for? You have to decide who your story is for from the outset and you have to be okay with the fact that not everybody's gonna like it. And by trying to please everybody,

they made a thing that can't please anybody. Yeah, it's like the Homer's car of moons. It's like, I really don't, it's hard for me to understand exactly what they're trying to, what they were trying to do, like what the purpose of the thing was, you know. I mean, yes, they put an end to the series, so that's good, I guess, but beyond that, like what was the point? Like Palpatine's bad, but now he's done. The point was to sell toys. Like Ray, Ray's a Skywalker because she decided to be.

Like, I don't get it. Also, why is she on this planet that doesn't have any meaning to her? Like, who is this old woman? Why does she care? Like, the ending is so bad. It's very bad. Oh, the old woman, she's just like, she's just like, who is this old woman? Why does she care? Like the ending is so bad. It's very bad. Oh, the old woman, she's just like,

she's just like hanging out. She's just like, hey, who are you? I don't know. And then Ray stands there for 45 minutes and then goes, sky walker. And the lady's like, okay. It's definitely a super cut to be there. Yeah, I don't know, man.

I don't know. At, I don't know, man. I don't know. At any rate, you know, we live in a wild time. At some point, they're gonna come out with a spin-off movie or a series of comic books about that old woman who was shopping for milk or whatever. That's what I want. I wanna see a man to Lorian style story

just about that woman. But okay, so this is the last thing is like, like is she impregnated with Kylo Ren's force baby because that's what it seems like? Oh God. I think I feel like that's what's going on. You know what, just end the world. Just let's decide.

I mean, I mean, I don't want another trilogy about Kylo Ren's force baby. Yeah, it's definitely like she's like, gives birth to like the ultimate unifying force. But then like Palpatine has another clone, probably, I guess, or his like son, Palpatine's somebody else, somebody else related to Palpatine. What if there was like a new bad guy?

Yeah, what if, what if the universe was bigger than fucking one guy? Yeah, what if they can't do it? They can't do it. They can't do it. They can't do it. They can't do it. They can't do it. They can't do it. They can't do it. They can't do it. They can't do it.

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Yeah, I think Star Wars is over. I feel like we talked about this when I first saw this. But I think the whole Star Wars story is just like, it's done. There's nothing else to say. You've taken the main characters and they're like the core of their motivations and you've just pressed them like pressing water out of a piece of tofu. You've just pressed them dry and now there's nothing left. There's no moisture left. It's time to grill them and put them into a walk. Put them into a walk. Throw some vegetables in there. I'm saying this

because I made some tofu and vegetables in a walk last night. So a walk, throw some vegetables in there. I'm saying this because I made some tofu and vegetables in a walk last night. So it's very fresh in my mind. Well, I'll use up those perishables. Anyhow, so yeah, but so look, but here's the one thing. I think this is the moment where we got to start doing day and day releases for movies.

If there's ever been a time for you to charge me. For you to charge me. I mean, I put it wherever, charge me money for it. I will pay good money, I'll pay 25. I'll pay 50 maybe depending on the movie Like day and date releases. You've got people at home dying to watch you're not you're not going to get this time back You're not gonna fill theaters. It's like this is an opportunity in my opinion I actually want to write something about this. I might write something about it if I have enough energy But I don't have that much energy because we've got a child at home

and that's a pretty full court press and we're dealing with the coronavirus. I mean, we don't have it, but we have to experience it, watching other people deal with it, which is very hard. Are there anything else we should talk about? I feel like there are many other topics that we could have discussed.

I honestly think I'm not going to promise everybody that we're going to podcast every day, because we won't. Definitely not. But I think we'll be back soon, because we've really got nothing else to do. Oh, Westworld coming on. We were going to do a third season of Out West,

but then this happened. And I mean, I don't know, it just seems like we're probably not going to. It's just a lot happening right now. But Westworld, I watched last night, Laura, I was like, Lauren, I were like, oh shit, yeah, Westworld's kind of back on, we should watch some of these cheat sheet videos.

And I gotta say, I watched several of them. Still don't believe that there's an actual story for Westworld. I mean, some of the shits just like, yeah, this is not a story. This doesn't make any sense. Like they're just making this shit up. I mean, obviously every story is made up to an extent, but you know what I mean? Every season they get, or for the two seasons, they've gotten a lot of constructive criticism,

let's say, about how there is a show here, but you're ruining it, and you're not able to do it. And so they just keep restarting. And I think this third season is another attempt to just be a different show. And it's like, if you were gonna be battle-sarguelactica, then I guess maybe you should, or like terminatorinator or whatever they think they're going for now, it's just a different show.

So I'll watch it out of morbid curiosity and like, but I don't, it's not like a cohesive television show the way that like the first few seasons of Game of Thrones. I mean, I think that, I think that, I don't know. I mean, apparently this season is gonna be a big reboot. Is Aaron Paul is in it now. Based on the trailers I've watched, and I've watched all of them heavily.

I don't know, Aaron Paul's like, we're now out in the real world and in the real world, there's like a social network that determines your life, which sounds pretty heavy. Yeah, on the one hand I'm sort of excited about it because I'll just take anything new. I like playing with new sci-fi ideas. Yeah, I'll take anything new at this point. But I do feel like I don't know.

I'd say like I won't watch it but I have a limit. Like I'll be honest I won't watch it, but I have a limit. Like I'll be honest with you, I stopped watching Picard. Like, yeah, you know, I can't, I don't even know how you did it as long ago. Picard's bad. I tried to watch the last, like not the last episode, but like maybe the fifth or sixth episode, I don't know which one it is.

Like after they bring the young kid with the sword on board, I'm just like, this is not good or fun, and it is not anything like the, it's nothing like the Star Trek that I actually like. The Picard character is nothing like the Picard that I actually like. He's surrounded by people who I don't care about and find basically annoying.

It's like, you need to bring a few people into the mix like from the old show. So he has somebody to like wrap with. Like, this is just like strangers that I don't care about. I mean, maybe they do that later, I don't know. But I had to stop watching and I canceled my CBS all access because I was like, I need to not be paying for shit that I'm not using.

I mean, that's literally, while you're talking, I'm logging into Hulu and AMC A list to just cancel these subscriptions because I don't know what's going to happen. And who's become slightly more valuable now that they have FX on it? I don't know. Wow. I'm in a much darker place with the apocalypse and I think that most other people, so I think I'm just gonna keep my money. Are you in a much darker place? I think that this, we're gonna need,

we're gonna need our money. I think like in three months, we're gonna need our money. Well, yes, I mean, we shouldn't be wasting money right now. I agree with you 100%. So I'm just gonna delete all non-essential services. I mean, definitely like, yeah. There's other things to do. I have a stack of video games.

I'm gonna obviously keep like Netflix and my cable subscription. Otherwise, like, you know, I don't need Hulu. What am I really watching on Hulu? That's that good. And I get it through Sprint with ads. So it doesn't really. Yeah, okay.

Well, there you have it then. You've solved your own problem. Yeah, but I think I would Sprint with ads, so it doesn't really. Yeah, okay. Well, there you have it, then. You've solved your own problem. Yeah, but I think I would encourage everybody to just, if you're not using something right now, is a good time to save some money. Um, okay. Well, I hear what you're saying. Maybe I'll do it.

Library is your free. I mean, you're making a good strong argument. There's a lot of ways to pass your time nowadays. You're not gonna like run out of them. It's just, and I don't think we need to pay for premium subscriptions to shit. We use one. This is a good segue into the end of the show and doing nice things, which just give you a real big deep. You really? You would do nice things. Yeah, it's a nice thing. What do you got? Do you

got anything? I started playing the outer worlds finally. Oh yeah, I started playing that. I love it. I know you prefer like Fallout 4 to fall out New Vegas or Fallout 3 to fall out New Vegas. I really prefer the New Vegas style gameplay and this is a return to that and it is so good. Oh my God, it's so good. I mean, I liked it a lot when I started playing it.

It's just one of those games that to me, it feels like it's a lot, you know. It's a lot of stuff. And you have to take in a lot of information and there's a lot of talking, but it's really escapist for that reason. To pass time like passively, I've been playing Baba Is You,

which is an amazing puzzle game that I can't recommend enough for the Switch. And that's a completely different experience. It's just like fiddling with little gadgets and gadgets. You know what I mean? As opposed to like, I need to understand your motivation for this corporate, under society development, like, you know. Right. There's a lot of stuff going on in that game.

It's, there's a lot of stuff going on. Yeah. I mean, basically. So like, yeah, I mean, I liked it. It's just one of many games where I'm like, well, I do not have enough time for this, you know? Yeah, well, like, so there's those games and then the other thing was, Dev's was really good.

Dev's is great. Although I watched the third episode and I was kind of a little bit like maybe this isn't as good as I thought it was, but it's very good. Devs is the new Alex Garland show. It's very good. I have started watching it and it's one of the best things that I've seen in a while on television, for sure. Like, it's just very well executed and purposeful and it doesn't seem to be, it treats its audience intelligently. It doesn't condescend to the audience, which I really like.

Yeah. No, I think it's one of the better things that's been on TV in a pretty long time. And it's got some really interesting ideas. I think I've kind of figured it out. And it'll be interesting to see if my ideas actually dovetail with what is happening in the show. But it's great. And Nick Offerman is incredible and it like unbelievable piece of casting, like definitely one of the

best, I've seen one of the best casting decisions ever. Mel, on that note. My turn for nice things, right? Let's hear what you like. Wow. I'm trying to think of what I've been doing and having to keep myself busy the last few days. I mean, I'll tell you something, I'll tell you something, this is not really a nice thing for me,

but a nice thing for Zelda. So Zelda really likes these games on her iPad that are like, it's kind of sims-ish. She plays this game called Toke World, which only parents know about. But it's got like an enormous amount of places and variety and things you can do. You go to all these different areas

and there's all these activities and things you can do and you can customize people and you can have them play games and it's just like crazy open world stuff but very simzish. But not 3D, like. That's so funny. What?

Because that company also created an app called Toca hair salon. Oh, yeah, yeah, she has that I absolutely know about that app because a small cousin of mine was playing would play with it on my phone And I wanted to just check to make sure like that that was something her mom would be fine with her playing Yeah, and it is oh, weirdly satisfying It's very good. They're very fun. They're very fun. And the anyhow, so she loves these like, Toka games. And, but they don't do enough.

They're kind of like, she's done everything, you know? And so we were looking around and she's like, she's describing like what she wants. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know if that exists, like for you, like I'm not sure. We try to show her this, like the Sims is like way too complicated for her. I mean, she's only six.

Anyhow, there's this game, it's like a Barbie Dreamhouse games called Barbie Dreamhouse Adventures. And it is basically like a kid's version of the Sims. And it's like utterly fascinating. Like I'm like, I kind of want to play this. I mean, it's obviously very simplistic. But it's like, it's really quite good. And now I'm just like, I'm like,

oh, they need to like add more stuff to it. And I was like literally thinking about like emailing the developers like, here are some things I think you should do. Like if you read the reviews, they're all kids and the reviews that are like, should have this and that like more things I'm like yes totally I agree with you nine year old child, but yeah, but you're like Madison made points today It's really exactly but it's really good like

like It's just a good idea like I mean There's like a subscription so it doesn't it doesn't nickel and dime you I mean It's like I don't mind paying for this stuff if it's like a subscription, so it doesn't, it doesn't nickel and dime you. I mean, it's like, I don't mind paying for this stuff if it's like a good app and it actually is like not, you know, rotting her brain. And so I mean, I think it actually is like kind of a fun, interesting, sort of like, it's giving her like a lot

of what, you know, sort of adult games do with some, obviously some like, it's safe, you know? Like it's a pretty safe game. There's a lot of shit on the app store. I mean, the app store is a fucking mess. It's a mess. Like, and honestly, like, I feel like if you're not paying really close attention to what's going on with your kids on the app store. I really weep for you.

So it's a fucking, it's a huge mess on there. It's hard to find good games. I think this game is really good. My number one concern right now is that they're going to discontinue it or not add stuff to it. So that's my nice thing is a Zelda nice thing, which is this Barbie game is actually weirdly good and not like weird and not depressing. And it doesn't seem to be reinforcing lots of bad stuff about men and women. So that's a good thing. And it's fun. And it's actually fun. Barbie has been very thoughtful in the last few years about like expanding diversity

and body size and stuff. So. I mean, yes, they have a nail salon is the only other place you can go. But also, the main thing is about like nail salon is the only other place you can go, but also the main thing is about like doing stuff in the house and like everybody can do all the same things in the house. It's not like, oh, like Barbie, go to the kitchen and make, you know, some food for everyone. You know what I mean? It's like, it's like, it's like, you know, I was hanging out and doing shit like being in a band. They have a, they have like

a dance, they have like a DJ area. It's like super fun. I mean, it's really interesting. Well, honestly, and it's probably really good for her to play while you guys are stuck being quarantined because it is a positive encouragement of like, we can make our own fun in the house, you know what I mean? Oh, dude, I mean, like, you have no idea. I mean, you have no idea. There are, it's so crazy.

I mean, we're just getting, we're starting to like, just ramp up to like, how insane it's gonna be to be in the house for like weeks and weeks and weeks. Yeah, at some point you're gonna have to just start being a her teacher like, because I'd heard you like. We're doing Zoom. They're doing Zoom classes from her school

and they're giving us a bunch of like workbooks and plans and stuff like we're, we're gonna full on be doing like school at home. Wild. With a wild time. You know what I mean? This is the curse of interesting times, I suppose. Yeah. I'm like honestly, it's horrible, but also like there are things about it that are really interesting. And obviously would love for this to not be happening. But of course, there's silver linings though. I mean, we've cut emissions very significantly.

I've spent a lot more time calling older family members and keeping in touch with them every single day. I'm spending a lot of time with John, learning how much I can go without already. And I think we're gonna learn a lot more. And it's gonna be very uncomfortable and it's gonna be awful. But the silver linings that come out of hardship

aren't nothing. Yeah, and I think also we're learning who the true idiots are in the world and who truly is evil. And it's like very, very like clear, you know? Yeah, I think, you know, Trump the other day was tweeting about, not necessarily that this was a hoax, but really downplaying it,

and his sons were tweeting about how you should buy stocks right now, just insane, insane, complete nonsense. And it really just, it had a moment of clarity where I was like, this isn't gonna work this time. People are gonna see bodies. I mean, there isn't gonna work. No, that's not a point. You can't con man, you're way past a corpse.

I mean, they're definitely like, they're definitely like QAnon people and like Trump hardcore Trump people who are like watching Fox News and all obviously Fox News who are watching this shit and going like, this is all plot to discredit Trump or whatever, but it's like you gotta be,

at this point you have to be with... They're gonna wake up, you're gonna wake up events. They're gonna wake up dead. You mean what they're gonna do? When, but the thing is when someone's mother dies, it's gonna be pretty on uncontrovertible that like she died of this disease.

And I think people care when it affects them and not in subtle ways, not in over the course of 10 years, we haven't had a minimum wage increase or you know, I lost my insurance, but maybe it's my fault. And when you are slapped in the face with complete incompetence, when it really affects you, then I think you wake up. And this virus is not going to discriminate between white people and black people. And people aren't going to be able to be like, well, I'm white and I'm rich and I'm straight

and I'm better off. So I don't really give a shit what happens to you. Like I have to get mine. This virus definitely are, there are definitely our lines drawn around, like, you know, how easy it is to be, to stay at home, you know? Of course, of course, of course. Yes, poor people, of course, will be, and it will be, I mean, there was an article

written about how LGBTQ people are uniquely poorly set up for what's gonna come. However, people will die of all classes and colors. And I think that's the point. No, I mean, to realize. And the people who are in denial about this can't escape like illness. Like denial can't keep you away, keep you from getting sick. So it's like, you know, I think there's a real,

there's gonna be a real reckoning around, I do hope it wakes people up. I also hope it brings the Democratic party together in some way where we can get out of this, I mean, one way or another, like we can't act like this is business as usual for our party, for that party. It needs to be like, how do we figure this out together, whatever that looks like?

It cannot be like Bernie Bros fighting with Warren people online at this point. Like, that shit is from another, like, that's from a whole other world. That was a different one. It really, in my opinion is, and like, I mean, I've like, you know, I think with the moment that John understood to take me seriously about this at least was I burst into tears and I was like, I can't believe we live, we had a life pre-virus and now we will have a life post-virus in the same inflection point as Trump's election and 9-11

and coming out of the closet and like meeting my husband. Like these are, this is another one of those inflection points and I was like crying because I was like, and nobody cares or realizes. Like it's surreal, it's just a reality of it. Yeah, no, I mean it's like, it's going to have, yeah, you know, it's going to have a real repercussions.

But with the things we can preserve, our relationships, our interests, we have to stay strong. It's what the British call it, what do they call it? Blitz spirit? I don't know, is that what they call it? I think it's called... Did they call it? Blitz spirit. I don't know. Is that what they call it? I think it's called. Do they, do they call it that? Yeah, it is. Blitz spirit is a degree of stoicism, determination and calmness through like a war zone.

And obviously the Blitz Krieg is where that came from. But I think, you know, we have to, you have to, we just have to do it. Like we just have to push through this and take care of each other. Like, that's really it. And there's no need to panic. There's no need to cry right now. Like, there will be time for that. We just have to get through it.

Right. Right. I agree. Well, you know what? I'll take this two seconds to just say, thank you for listening. If you want more from us, just let us know on Twitter that this is helping you. And I will keep doing it.

If it isn't helping you, I'm going to on Twitter that this is helping you, and I will keep doing it. If it isn't helping you, I'm going to put my attention where I think it can be helpful. I'm not trying to reach for social media, whatever. I'm not trying to let the show. But genuinely, if this is helping you, at me and Josh, let us know that you want to hear more from us. It's certainly not. We'll put our head on covering the news.

And certainly, every episode is not going to be us screaming about how bad Trump handled this catastrophe at me we no i mean we'll definitely do episode will will will laugh about how me and john were fighting over you know this way yeah uh... all right well i gotta go i gotta get a final what's out is going now Well that is our show for this week, we'll be back next week or even sooner with more tomorrow. And as always, I really do wish you and your family the very best. Though I have just been told that your family are actually all cloned from Palpatine.

So it's a situation that I don't know how anybody can explain, but you know, that's where we are. we are.