Tomorrow - 188: Josh and Ryan Argue

Episode Date: March 22, 2020

Listen we're not going to sugar coat this: This episode is mostly just Josh and Ryan arguing about Joe Biden. It has its moments, don't get us wrong, but this whole hour would likely qualify as "malarkey." We're cooped up and there's a lot that needed to be hashed out. We will be back very soon to discuss other things. We love you, Tony. P.S. Stay home! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, welcome to tomorrow. I'm your host, Dr. Polski. Today on the podcast, we discuss the DNC scooters and the coronavirus. I don't know, it's one minute. Let's get right into this weird hell ride. All right, Ryan, we're back. We're back. I don't even know what fucking day it is. It's, I think the weekend.

Time. Time. Nothing. I want to be, but I'll tell you something, this experience, the COVID-19 experience, which is the name of my new podcast, the COVID-19 experiences made me feel more than ever that I want to connect with the people and also produce for Tony, our fan, this podcast

as much as humanly possible. I don't know what, that's it, that's my whole statement. And also, too, into the COVID-19 experience, it's like the Joe Rogan experience, but I interview a virus every week. The virus interviews people and it's tough as nails, no nonsense, it's always high, and it is kind of like homophobic. It's and also like has really bad opinions about

vaccines. I believe Satan is here now. I think there's a just it's just Satan. I know I know it sounds insane, but I genuinely every once in a while and stuff like keeps going worse. I keep thinking, did I die when I got hit by that cab several years ago? And I in hell, this could just be hell. I might just be honest. I know. I guess I can imagine a hell that's just slightly troubling,

like a little annoying, not like full tilt. Like you're not like in a war zone. You're not like being shot at right now, but you're like, there's a lot of stuff going on. That's not great. Yeah, no, a way worse hell than like being tortured because eventually pain could turn into pleasure or like you could completely just have from reality.

I don't know. A way worse hell would be like constantly things just get a little bit worse. That's hell. They don't actually cover that. Do they like, what if you enjoy it? Can you enjoy it? Is it possible?

Like, can you just black out in hell? Like, can you just like disassociate? I got traditional like flogging you hell. Absolutely. I know a lot of them. I would really enjoy that. Yeah, but it's up point. OK. Anyhow, this is a really upbeat way to start the show.

So we're back at the tomorrow podcast, as you know. And we are we are living in historic unprecedented times. Yeah, Google I always been canceled permanently WDC will be how you know this attack. This is we love to talk about technology on the But tomorrow podcast WDC will be held of the Video be a face streaming Face time these Tim Cooks get to just be it's gonna be like Tim Cook on a weird, it's like a weird, you know, when FaceTime, like he's wise to be like walking a dog while FaceTime, me.

No, but the world is at a standstill, or at least we're trying to keep it at a stand, or make it go to a standstill. California is, it has like, basically a shelter in place thing happening right now, which means like, really don't leave your house except for like extreme things like emergencies or you know you need food. Like not at a restaurant, I mean like you need to go to the grocery store. New York has enacted something that's very similar and I mean if you look at I've been I've been I've been and I'm trying not to read up too much about the coronavirus and projections,

but if you look at like projections now for if we were to do nothing versus if we're to like, have half the population in their houses versus three quarters of the population, it is staggering. It is staggering what the numbers look like in terms of cases of this virus spreading, deaths related to those cases, hospitals being overwhelmed, which is actually like, has become

much more of the concern at this point than people actually getting sick, which is, you know, we're at a moment where we've a very fucked up health infrastructure in America. It is, has been, you know, a for-profit health infrastructure does not really serve all the people and is not really prepared for a time when many, many people indiscriminate of, you know, what your tax bracket is are going to get very sick, and that means rich and poor. And so we don't really have like what's really going to happen is if this gets as bad as it could get, we don't, it's not even about people dying from the virus.

It's about people dying who are like, have a heart attack and they need to go to the emergency room and the ambulance shows up an hour late because they're so overwhelmed by other problems that are happening. Like, it's shit like that and that's going to kill a lot of people. Like, there's going to be a whole set of people if we keep going the way we're going. There's a whole lot of people going. There's a whole lot of people going. There's a whole lot of people going. There's a whole lot of people going. There's a whole lot of people. There's going to be a whole set of people if we keep going the way we're going. There's a whole sweep of women that have to give birth and they're not going to be able to go to a hospital. No, I mean, people will just die because everything else is fucked up, like not because they're sick with coronavirus, but because other people are sick,

the beds are overflowing, the doctors are overworked, the ambulances are overworked, and that's actually going to result in a lot of death. So we have like, this is very real and very serious, and I hope that everybody who's listening, I hope everybody out there is taking it seriously, but it's, there's the macro, and then if you zoom in to day-to-day life, there's like this much, that's the big thing,

is like, oh my God, we're in the midst of a pandemic, which doesn't actually even feel real because we still's the big thing is like, oh my god, like we're in the midst of a pandemic, which doesn't actually even feel like real because we still have, it's not like, I think in film, sorry, I'm rambling a little bit, in films and TV and like in games, we always think of the apocalypse as like this thing that happens that has like a visible, immediate impact to like everything.

And it's like, this is such an unusual and unexpected version of it. It's slow. Well, yeah, except like 9-11 was like holy shit, like we're under attack. There's an explosion. These buildings have been destroyed. There's immediate deaths. This one event occurred and now there's a bunch of dead people. This is like you like are kind of sitting here getting him slow little bits of information like oh this person got sick that person got sick. Oh like Italy's not doing so great But it's not like It's nothing like the movies. Let's put it that way. It's something like the movies a little bit Like in that

You can go. Oh yeah, there's no way to predict how like there you just can't predict things like this And so movies or whatever they're're never going to be 100% accurate. And when they are, it's like, the Simpsons thought of it. But it's like, I mean, maybe they're never going to be, you're never going to be fully prepared for like whatever. I guess everybody is, everybody's watching Contagion. I said, I made a tweet about it. People were really mad at me. I was like, well, people think this is gonna be like the answer is in contagion to solve in this. But, but apparently people like to watch, like to like to play out what's going on to the life of inclusion as depicted in the recall.

Yeah, but it's the reason that like, when someone dies by you, like it's cathartic to listen to songs about losing somebody because it helps you, like, it helps you inform and understand how you're feeling. Like, sometimes it's like, you're acting a certain way and you're not sure why or you don't even know how to react to something and you're just kind of frozen. And if you're given like a script of how to process it or like what or if you can see in real terms what's happening, it helps contextualize it. And it helps you to like have some path and understanding of what other people have experienced. And so stuff like

contagion, I think it's just, I think nobody thinks that like, contagion is gonna contain some like, like actual information that will on like a physical world level cure the virus, but I do think people are like, like, should I be, it's sort of like, when people keep saying it's like those early scenes in an apocalypse movie where like everyone's like, laughing or whatever, and then one person's like, I don't know, seems like this could, you know what I mean?

And then like, there's a news report in the background, but you're at a party. Who cares? And then you're walking home and you see something strange. It's like, you know what I mean? And so I think people see that. They're like, okay, I'm not crazy. And they want to like contextualize the series of events.

And I think like stories can help you do that. And so I get why it's super popular, but it also worries me because like, these movies weren't made as an emotional textbook. They weren't made in less like an educational capacity. They were made to like entertain people. And so I worry that Americans obsession with like being entertained and distracted and Americans obsession with like the attention economy is really going to

undermine us. And right now we're like training ourselves and our children to stay home and be distracted and escape. And I don't know that that's a good habit to get into when this is over. I mean, what are you gonna do? I mean, right? Like, what else can we do, but be distracted? Because if you're paying attention to all of it. I don't know.

I'm not saying I have the answer. I'm just saying it's gonna be a problem. If you're paying attention to all of it, you're like, you'll lose your mind. You know? As someone, you can get attention mind. You know? As someone, you can't get attention to all of it, yes. I mean, like, the reality is like you cannot, I mean, it's like right now I'm actually

in the background of this, I'm looking at Twitter and people are talking about, you know, Twitter just put a new, they just put like a new rule in about like misinformation from... It basically seems like it's custom designed for Donald Trump where it's misinformation from public figures that go in direct opposition of what the health officials are saying will be penalized or something.

And it's like, people are really... Trump is tweeting dangerous fucking shit. And about using drugs that are not, will not treat this fucking disease. He's literally like, he's literally like a person from like a weird, he's like a forechan person who's just dropping like bullshit on his timeline, except he has like 75 million followers, you know, or whatever the fucking number is. It's like, like, this shit's crazy. Like, but, but if you watch all of it happen in real time, you will, or whatever the fucking number is, it's like, like, this shit's crazy. But if you watch all of it happen in real time, you will lose your mind, you know?

Like, but that's the day. It's both the, it's both like, it's both like the danger of it, of that, there's a danger of that part. And then there's a danger of not paying enough attention, right? Like, our biggest problem right now is like, how do you not tune out so completely? You're like, I'm done. I'm out of this. I don't even care. And stay in the in the fight and in the fucking conversation long enough to like fix some of this stuff without losing your mind.

You know, like how do you stay in and not lose your mind? I don't I don't have the answer to that. I think it's this podcast really. It's what the world needs right now. This podcast and the the COVID-19 experience, which is again, a new show where COVID-19 will wear a hat backwards and smoke a huge fucking blunt and agree with anything that Elon Musk says. Oh God. I need it. Speaking of it, dipshit that should not be a twitters. Bill, he has the inner and celebrities to just shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up. Yeah, shut the fuck up is seriously the phrase, we need to en masse. I would like to start a campaign, hashtag shut the fuck up. And every time one of these dipshit's like Elon Musk or anybody else goes on Twitter and is like,

this stuff is blown out of proportion I want like thousands of people to be like shut the fuck up Like there's no you don't need to say anymore. I don't want people to refute the facts I don't want them to be like here's actually what this person's talking about just shut the fuck up is the answer for So I want to point out that we need Bernie bros and their vitriol more than ever I want that army of people to just go to fucking Ellen's Twitter page and just say shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up, 100 times. No, there, no, there, there, there, unfortunately, the Bernie Bros have become very quiet,

very quiet, which is not unfortunate. It's actually good because they're fucking miserable. But like, the tone of the internet has definitely changed. I mean, there are parts of it. I'm like, wow, the fucking internet's so amazing. And it's like, I'm so in love with it right now. But, but, but, do you think maybe the first words are just like sad and desperate and terrified and lost their jobs? Because I'm pretty sure that's I think, yeah, I think, I think things, I think things have gone in a really surprising direction for a lot of people recently. Like, I think things have gone in a really surprising direction for a lot of people recently.

I think a lot of things have happened that nobody saw happen in. Like I am, you know, like, I feel like nobody was prepared for this. I think even like, I think like one of the things that this is exposed is like how much like people believe they're a bullshit. You know? What do you mean? How much?

I was just thinking about Trump. I think Trump really believed that we could, like all the things he said, like I think he thinks the things he says are true. I think he has to. I think he's surprised. I think he's very surprised right now that like this is real and happening and very bad. I think he really thought that like because

there's so much of what people do and say that is like, unprovable and not just him but like lots of people and there's so much that like like, you know, this is a big debate about Twitter being real life or not real life. And it wasn't a big debate. Some fucking nerds are talking about it. But like, you know, if you go on Twitter, you'd be like, holy fuck, like Bernie's got this thing. Like Bernie's gonna win. Like you feel the energy of all these people

who are so into burning, you're like, fucking Bernie's ideas are better and all this stuff. And you're like, Bernie's gonna crush. Like I, like we were talking about Joe Biden being out of this race like a month and a half ago before that Super Tuesday. People were literally like, do you need to drop out? He's like a month and a half ago, before that Super Tuesday, people were literally like, do you need to drop out?

He's like not, it's not happening, you know? And it was like Bernie was the front runner. But I don't think everyone's taking into account just how much, like not to be that person, but how much like the DNC deciding to annoy you as a group and rich people influence, I don't believe that. I don't believe that rich people. Now, I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't.

I don't believe that. It's not. There's no fact. I couldn't believe anything more. I mean, Joe Biden had no money. Joe Biden had no money on super Tuesday. What do you want? But the great thing he had was a ton of fucking endorsements.

And he did have money. I think that's wrong. I think that's wrong. I think what turned it for Joe Biden. You don't think the mainstream media obsessing over Joe Biden and people are not obsessing over Joe Biden. They were not upset. They were not.

No, no, they were not obsessing over Joe Biden. I'm telling you that even the mainstream people were like, Joe Biden has got to drop out. Joe Biden is like, if something big doesn't happen, it's off-care line and that's it for him. Like, I watched the news and people are not like Joe Biden's the man that there were dummies like Chris Matthews Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg and everybody else who went to the stop Bernie DNC meetings said oh we're all behind Joe now that everybody locks down was like oh but but it was fake and Hillary like no no that's not Oh, Joe Biden has crazy name record.

From fucking pop. No, that's not, I don't think that's true. I think it's, no, the reality is, no, the reality is Joe Biden is a guy who is like hanging out with the best president that anybody is ever known in our, you know, life time. Oh, Bob, I love to win out. I can use the knot and door.

Not yet, not yet. He's going to, he will. He hasn't, because he doesn't want to be rude. He hasn't, because genuinely if there's a chance that it isn't so i think well-bomb would take it i think of well-bomb no obama doesn't endure obama doesn't endorse until after the until after the convention that's a historic he didn't i don't think he endorsed Hillary till after the convention

i just think it's like when you're when you're a former president your endorsement is huge and you don't throw it in until like, you basically go, I'm behind this person who's running once the process has taken place. I don't think, I correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Obama's endorsement of Clinton happened until after the, hold on, I'm gonna just double check on this. By the way, I disagree. I don't think this was some big screen for the DNC. I couldn't believe it.

I think Bernie did not, if Bernie had, if Bernie had not been Bernie and had actually gone and reached out to those people and tried to get them to endorse him, we might have seen a different situation on full. I think Bernie was like, fuck this, it's a revolution. We're going against the Democratic Party. And unfortunately, if you want to be the Democratic nominee,

feel like he needs to backstab, fucking, and ends up you do. Ends up we live in such a horrible. Yeah, but it's politics. It's politics. It's politics. Of course, you got a backstab. You think Bernie's never done any backstabbing? You think Bernie is a fun guy who's really cool and chill.

He's not. He wants to be president of the United States of America. I know he believes in good stuff, but I guarantee you Bernie is a fucking maniac. Like I promise you, I bet you a million dollars of Bernie is sucks to work for. I bet he's really a dick. He's an old Jewish dick. I know a lot of people like Bernie, none of them are nice. I know a lot of people like Bernie, not of them are nice.

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And that's different than the way that Hillary Clinton and the majority of people have treated any progressives. Okay. So, so Obama endorsed Clinton. Two days after she secured enough delegates to be the presumptive nominee of the democratic party so i don't know what that means in terms of numbers not after the the end not not after hold on a second

it was in june it looks like i don't know whatever but it definitely was like there was something definitive that occurred the point is, fucking Nancy Pelosi and all of the fucking Democrats, especially like the fucking moderate centrist Democrats, are obsessing right now over means testing and obsessing over not doing too much

so they don't look like socialist Bernie. And that fucking Trump is like, have a thousand dollars, everybody who gives a shit, everybody's gonna get healthcare, I don't care. He's just fucking flailing around. And the Democrats are going to be outflank because they're stupid fucking obsession. They're obsessed with like pragmatism and fucking means testing and making sure rich people don't get any benefit.

So poor people won't get anything. Like as if progressive is if the basic the basic premise of progressive taxation, the basic premise of democratic politics is that everybody can have a benefit and then will charge rich people for it on the back end by taxing them. And they cannot get through their heads that just give everybody some fucking money, universal basic income. And then when tax season rolls around, take that plus more from rich people and it will

even itself out. And when tax season rolls around, take that plus more from rich people, and it will even itself out. But rather than just move forward and do that, they're obsessed with looking like they're reasonable by making sure, you know, fucking Kamala Harris makes sure that your student loans are within these parameters and percentages so we can help you repay $200 of your $40,000 debt over the course of nine months if you're a single mother who has held two jobs below The six bigger. It's like shut the fuck up. Just forgive student debt Just give people money to live in their homes. Just say fuck landlords. Just fucking bail out regular people

Make sure there are tests and funding and instead they're going in a little fucking circle being like Oh that that Bernie. He doesn't talk nice, he yells. I mean, hold on, hold on. Let's not, hold on. I agree. Okay. It's all over again. And last time the Democrats pretended to have our back again.

Every time. All right, hold on, hold on a second. Yeah, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I do think that the, I do think that the Democrats, they're one of their greatest problems is that they pussy foot around shit. Like when they should just be like, we're going to do something big and bold and this is it and everybody's going to have to get behind it and like make it, they

make it like instead of making it the thing that everybody needs to get behind, they're like him and in hind about these bullshit details. I agree. I do think that like no matter what this is all about. But pattern like they fucking do this shit with the climate. They have done this for you, but you understand, but healthcare. But hold on, but there's a political, there is a political cost to them putting forward a deal. Like the reality is the Trump is gonna get credit

for whatever is done now. I don't care who gets credit. Like at this point, people are dying. Sure, okay, agree, but I'm sure they're being, I'm not defending them, but I'm sure they're taking these like political calculation where they're like, well, Trump's gonna get credit and we need to make sure that we show up

and like have some like position in this thing. And if we just go like, oh yeah, Trump, whatever you wanna do. But like I wonder if they are like, cushy footing around the GOP, whatever they want, so they can pretend that they're nice. Well, I mean, I don't know what I'm going to do in it. I don't know if they're doing it.

Instead of doing universal health care, what if we just take Mitt Romney's health care plan and call it Obamacare, then the Republicans will agree to it. That would be great. Okay, but okay, but hold on, they need to start there. They need to start there at all. They don't know how they can start the way. They're about to end up at Bulls. They're Bulls. They couldn't, they couldn't, they could to wait. They end up at the bulls. They're both. They couldn't. They couldn't.

They're bad as their job. They could. They should all be by pat. No, no, no. That's not true. No, no, that's not true. The difference between no, the Republicans will just break that will basically just break the fucking rules, right? The Democrats, their problems that they're always like playing by the rules. Like the reality about fucking Obamacare is it started as a much more socialist minded fucking program. I mean, it was not the thing that they ended up with.

The Republicans shipped away at it till it was shit. And they couldn't do anything about it because they didn't have a fucking majority. You know, I mean, look, this is going, this is ancient history at this point. But like, I do think it's dangerous. I would do think it's dangerous to act like the Democrats are, I have just always been shit. Like, there are a lot of, I mean, they have been shit. Don't get me wrong.

The Democrats are very bad at many things and it continue to be bad. But I will say, if like, you know, I do get very frustrated. I'm very mad at many of the things they have done recently and in the past, but I get very frustrated when people are like, there's no difference.

What does it matter? Like, I guarantee you, I promise you, I know in my fucking heart, this shit that is happening in America right now would not have happened if Hillary Clinton were president, or even if Joe Biden were president, as seen, I was you may think he, yes, he will surround himself with normal people who do their jobs. He will not be fucking trying to like scam people into his hell. Go golf 200 days out of your, but I just want to say, like, sorry, don't you think that this

crisis has revealed that normal was really bad anyway? No, but and that like, this is it normal. No, this shit is not normal. Obama dealt with shit like this and we didn't, it didn't happen. Didn't roll out this way. Like, shit is not normal. Obama dealt with shit like this. And we didn't, it didn't happen. Didn't roll out this way. Like this is not normal. But this is not what the Democrats were like. People under Obama.

Okay, every president under Obama. Every fucking president is bad in some way. You're not going to get, this is the, to me the most frustrating thing, and I'm sorry, I know, and I love Bernie. And I wish Bernie were gonna be the president, but he's not, and here's the thing Like what what what I don't understand is that people are like

Bernie's perfect and good and he'll make everything right and everybody else is shit and they should die and it's like Here's the deal as soon as Bernie becomes as no, but that's would you the way people talk? I'm not saying you're saying that but a lot of people are like a lot of people are like Bernie's our only hope and now that he's gone or he's not going to make it, we're doomed. And here's the reality. As soon as Bernie took office, he would start making decisions that a lot of people would not like because the fucking job is not to serve the furthest left people of this country. By the way, Donald Trump is trying to serve the furthest right of this country, and it is literally killing people right now. But that's, there is no fucking disaster. But that's where the furthest left in the furthest right of this country. And it is literally killing people right now.

There is no fucking disaster. This left in the furthest right. I'm sorry. No, there is a difference. But there's also just between the middle left and the middle right. The middle right wants no gay marriage. They want discrimination everywhere you go.

They want fucking abortion rights taken away. They want fucking workers rights taken away. They want fucking workers rights taken away. They want unions destroyed. The Democrats have, for the most part, historically supported women's rights, civil rights, fucking workers rights. Like, I agree, they have fucked up. They are a fuck up party right now. But that's not to say that it's everything that they do is the same as like what the Republicans do not by a fucking long shot

The world that we live in now would look so much worse. It looks pretty bad right at this moment Mostly because of what Donald Trump has been doing over the last three years I mean a lot of it has to do with that But it would look so much worse if we had not had eight years of Obama prior to this I and I really like if anybody doesn't think that, if they think it would have been better with another bush, like I don't think they were around for bush then. I don't think they remember what the fuck bush was doing.

Bush has gotten us in wars that have lasted for 20 fucking years that have gone nowhere and killed hundreds of thousands of people for no fucking reason. If Bush had his way, there would be not only no gay marriage for all we know fucking Gabriel might be getting thrown in jail Like those people are fucking evil. I know, but what I'm saying is there's a difference between the extreme left and the extreme right and the difference is the extreme left is operating from a place of like trying to get basic health care for people or trying to get like housing free

What we call the extreme left in this country is like empathy. And it's really annoying to me because I agree. By the way, I'm not saying Bernie some kind of messiah. I'm saying we got someone seen sensible who seems like an all around nice good person who has ideas that will help the most people as far as we can get them with that literally making them president. And now we're not going to do that because everyone's scared what if people don't like

having social safety nets. And it's like, I think that's not even that Bernie Beach comes in one to one match up, but people are going to vote for Biden because they don't want to think it's so does by but not by Biden Beach Trump in one match up to actually be to buy a higher percentage. You just admitted that Bernie is a better person than Biden. So admit that it is bad. That Biden is now going to be president when we were got so close to having a good here's the problem.

Here's the problem. Here's the fucking problem. I don't represent and you don't represent the perhaps the majority of people who vote on Ukraine. But I'm saying is the majority of people get their opinions based off of things on CNN and based off of other candidates, endorsements and based off of super major donors. And the fact that the Democratic Party circled its wagons in the way that it did is so disgusting and it speaks to their complete failure to do what the things that they say they want to do.

I think it's possible that there's a problem on both sides, okay? I don't want to be that guy, but like I think that if your position is we need to destroy the Democratic party, it's going to be very hard to get help from the Democratic party. And in an election, party, it's gonna be very hard to get help from the Democratic party. And in an election, in a presidential election, unfortunately, you cannot, I mean, Donald Trump, the reason Donald Trump was able to become the Republican nominee is one because he has unbelievable name recognition. He is a famous person. He is a celebrity, okay? And two, the Republican party was a fucking mess. It was absolutely a shit show.

I mean, do you remember the people who were running to become president of the United States before Donald Trump got in the way? I mean, just who was there? You know, like, people like Ben Carson and like Ted Cruz, like some of them was uncharismatic, worst people ever. And like, he basically swooped in and was like, there's blindsided with like being a celebrity.

And like, because the media did not cover them, they gave them all this free attention, all this free earned media. But the reality is, the Republicans were an absolute fucking mess. And basically all they could align around was that they hated Obama and hated Obama's policies. And they found the perfect lightning rod,

this insane celebrity racist, who basically would say anything that was like a popular Republican talking point. Like he would say anything literally when he went to his rallies, right? And like I don't think the Donald Trump is an example of the Republican party being good. I think it's a Republican party being so desperate that they would let anybody who they thought had a chance, like, become the nominee, right? Like, just out of pure, like, fucking name recognition. Now, I do think in some ways Joe Biden experienced some of the same thing with all the, with all

the, with like, how many people came out and voted for him, but there is an undeniable truth to all of this, which is like, like, there are voting numbers that are way up in the places that have voted in these some of these primaries. And they're up for Biden and they're up from older people. Meanwhile, within the youth vote, you've got numbers that have actually gone down for Bernie, right? So to me, something really critical is happening. This is the thing that you and I, you and I, you and I, you have coronavirus, and there's voter suppression for the primary.

Okay, but that's not what's going on. This is not voter suppression. I think it is. Well, the two gigantic, the two gigantic wins that Joe Biden had were pre-coronavirus, like pre-coronavirus panic. And like all I can say is,

you still, even with the coronavirus stuff that numbers were still up. Look, this is not voter suppression. This is, you've got a base of people who are scared shitless of Donald Trump by Donald Trump. Yeah, but they would have got these order voters. You're working and then you would have also five people. They would have and all Bernie had to do was get the youth vote, weigh the fuck up or get the democratic establishment to rally around him. And he failed to do both of those things. I fucking want Bernie and president. But he failed to do those things.

We're going to destroy and we're going to disenchant like at a critical moment in our history, one of the worst like crises this country's ever been through. We're going to tell people that not to believe in things and that like things aren't possible and that like I just think in that like you you think the people don't or whatever you can get and like, no, this is not about saddle or I think what's happening is, no, I don't think it's, I don't think it's what's happening. Here's what's happening. Like, it's like right now, a lot of people feel like we are in crisis and not just because of coronavirus, but coronavirus has taken a massive fucking magnifying glass to the situation.

I think people in the Democratic, people all over America, not even diss Democrats, feel that we are in a crisis with Donald Trump, that we have a person who's like totally fucking out of control, running the country. And I think that what people are looking for,

they are not looking for further crisis or revolution. They are looking for normal. And I think a lot of these people came out to vote and I know some of these people, older people in my family, older people in Laura's family, that are just like, I just want to go back to normal. Now, I know that normal is not exactly good, but normal is better than whatever the fuck we're in right now. And people are like, can we just get to a baseline where it feels like a normal America again so we can figure out

what the next step is. And I don't, not to say that I agree with it. I don't, I do think we can do everything all at once. Like we could have a revolutionary new way of treating the citizenry of this country and also get rid of Donald Trump. Like I think those things can happen together. But I also think like I wish that you and I spoke for the vast majority of the electorate, but the truth is like people like us actually aren't even that fucking engaged like people in our age ranges. Even at I'm like, you know, I'm one of my 10 years older than you, even in my age range, they're not that fucking engaged. You know, and so like our biggest problem is actually not that like the Bernie doesn't

have good ideas or that like he couldn't be Trump. Our problem is that like the people who need to come out and are who should be listening don't seem to care. And on the other side of it, the people who are listening and do care are just like, just please give me like a the normal option. They're like, you know, they're like, well you can have this like,

they're like, they go to a restaurant and they're like, you can have sushi, which maybe you don't eat very often, or a hamburger and they're like, I'll just have a hamburger. I'm good, you can have sushi, which maybe you don't eat very often or a hamburger and they're like, I'll just have a hamburger. I'm gonna be like, you know, old people are. My parents refused to eat sushi. They're like, I don't know, I don't fuck with sushi. I'm like, don't you wanna try it?

They're like, no, I don't wanna try it. They're like, I'll have a tuna sandwich. That's as far as they wanna go with fish. That's what these fucking voters are. And I hate to say it, but they vote. So what the fuck are we gonna do? You know? I just think

Joe Biden's gonna lose. No, he's not. I mean, he might, he might, but if you vote, if somebody, if somebody, I'm sorry, but if, but he may, if he loses, if he loses a big part of it will be people doing this fucking protest. I don't think they're like, well, if it's not true, because there's a book out and fucking vote because they're desperate, but they didn't in they didn't in 2016. Yes, they did in 2016. They fucking voted for jail. They didn't vote in part higher than any other year that people.

Yeah, they did. Yes, they did. There's data on this. There is data on it that Bernie voters voted in large percentages for third party. But even if that was true, that's the Democrats fault for not appealing to them. No, it's their fault for not feeling like it's their fault for feeling like they don't get a day one job. Oh, but it's not old people's fault.

Wait, so it would be it's young people's faults if they don't vote because they don't get what they want. But it's not old people's fault if they don't vote because they don't get what they want, but it's not old people's fault. If they don't vote because they don't get what they want is what you just said. No, but they do vote, but they do vote. Old people always vote. They fucking go out and they go, well, I don't like this guy. I've been on a vote for him. We've gotten old people and young people. If old people are going to vote either way, you can't, but you don't understand. I'm not, I'm not arguing that I'm like saying, you can't make it Bernie because people don't want to vote for Bernie. But you just said they're going to vote for Bernie. They're not voting for Bernie.

And people are going to vote either way. Yes. If Bernie, if he got out the youth vote and he won all these primaries and he had the most delegates, when he became the nominee, old people, even if they thought he was a revolutionary or scary or whatever, would be like, I don't know, I don't like it, but I don't want to be the. Should be in question. Old people to go vote in basements during a pandemic and telling young people that they need to stay home, be in stay safe and blah, blah, blah.

And fucking goosing the numbers when we're not even done. We're not even. This isn't even done yet. They're they're not. It's done. He's done. They're not goosing the numbers. Bernie's not going to win. So it doesn't matter that they would do primary elections during a pandemic. You don't think that had any

effect on I mean, you can you can I understand that I understand that that's the arguments being made. You know, you have to understand the last election that was held. I'm not disagreeing that there would things should be postponed. But like, are we going to throw out all of the things that happened before? There was even a coronavirus fucking epidemic happening? Because even then, by- Yeah, we probably should. The whole world is different.

No, we shouldn't. Okay, so we should throw out all the votes and start over again. Yeah. That's fucked up. That is the kind of thing that Trump would do, okay? Where you go, sorry, everything's invalidated now because we've had a crisis. I mean, dude, that's the kind of talk that Trump basically goes, we're gonna cancel elections. I don't think you wanna start playing around

with the idea that we're gonna cancel elections. Then why don't we, like I'm moderating, and a government control by. And say we shouldn't be doing new elections during a pandemic, we should figure out a vote by mail scenario. Look, I mean, I think that we basically agree, okay? I think we both would prefer the Bernie, look,

I don't think we can discount that people did actually vote for Joe Biden. I don't think we can discount that he is huge name recognition, particularly amongst older voters. And for whatever reason, those people are coming out and droves and younger voters are not. I don't think we can say conclusively that it is voter suppression.

I actually, I don't think we should start applying the same logic that we applied to what Republicans do to Democrats because I think there are differences. And like, I think it's dangerous, especially now. This is just like, if we start saying like, these are, you know, Trump basically wants to say like, I mean, Trump's line is like, the Democrats are scamming this election and taking it away from Bernie. Like, there's a reason he's saying that. I think that they think it's easier to beat Bernie. I think that Trump would love to create this feeling that somehow there's a scam happening. Like, that, you know, the Democrats are stealing this and it's unfair.

They want to disenfranchise young voters. They want them to, they, he's dying for young voters to feel that they've had something stolen from them so that they can go, you know what, I'm not going to vote or fuck this, the whole system's rigged or whatever. And so like, I think if Trump leaves it, we should be very skeptical of that way of thinking because I think that Trump's goals are very, very bad and negative for democratic voters and people who believe in the large democratic way of thinking. But I will say it fucking sucks for Bernie and it sucks for the his policies that we are not going to have a chance to actually push those forward, at least in this cycle.

And I do think that like, I mean, listen, I believe that either one of the Biden or Bernie could be Trump, I believe Elizabeth Warren could be Trump. I don't know about Amy Klobuchar, but I would probably like, you know, would, I don't, like I think Klobuchar would have a harder time. I think people with way less name recognition and way less of like a clear platform. But I do think like Trump is beatable, but I think it will take everybody somewhat, like people who are unhappy going like, I hate this.

But the alternative is worse. And I just wish Pete, person trying to do the right thing has to be the one to make a compromise. It's so shitty. Because they're good people and the bad people won't compromise this or bad people. But the truth is,

no, the old, no, the old people, nobody's bad. I mean, the bad people won't compromise. It's their bad people. But the truth is, no, the old, no, the old people, nobody's bad. I mean, I think people will compromise. I don't think it's about good versus evil. Or don't want to resist, like, like, back student loans because they're like, but I paid off my student loans. I think those are bad people.

I think those are people with bad information and really dumb ways of thinking about society, but I don't think like, I'm not gonna say they're evil. I think that people are getting their bubble, well, the people getting their fucking bubbles and they think dumb shit inside of their bubbles and they need people who are smarter than them

who are in charge to break them out of those bubbles. And like, I would hope that, and I would believe that, I mean, this is just like, look dude, you know, it's like, people were like, there were a lot of people who were like, game airages wrong, you know? And eventually, like enough people in charge of things said like, no, you're wrong actually,

like it's not wrong, and we're gonna fix it. Like enough of the people, now it's like not, nobody talks about it anymore, except the Republicans who'd like to repeal it, you know? But like the reality is like, nobody's like, that's not an argument people are having anymore. Like, we do need leaders who paint a picture and sell that picture to people of like the better world

that we're moving towards. And I think that, yes, like Biden is not going to have the aggressive plans and policies that Bernie has if he gets elected. I would hope, I mean, if he picks like Elizabeth Warren as his running mate, which I hope that he does, I mean, of course, you know, my fantasy was that somehow him and Bernie would like join forces, which I know sounds like sick, but in the moment we're in, we need extreme measures. But I do think like if Elizabeth Warren is the VP, she's not going to sit on her hands, you know, and she is like, has fought for a lot of the same progressive policies that Bernie has and has actually implemented a lot of very progressive, like consumer facing and like, like humanity facing policies that have been good for people, like, I do believe like like there's a way to get some of this stuff to happen even without

like having Bernie. But my biggest fear is not like that we don't get Bernie. My biggest fear is that, you know, we have a, that Trump gets another, wins another election and he puts another fucking conservative Supreme Court justice on the Supreme Court and continues packing the courts with fucking really bad conservative judges and continues to like destroy the planet and get people killed like he's doing with coronavirus. And like that like, at that point, we can't stop it.

You know, like that he bends everything so much to his fucking corrupt will that like this country is over. Like really over. Like that's where we're at. I mean, where we're at is like, what's going on right now with fucking coronavirus is just a little peek into what's possible when you have leadership that's so fucking bankrupt,

so morally vacant, so fucking craven that they don't think for a second about the ramifications of any of the decisions they make, except how it will impact them like and their bottom line. So like, that's what I really am scared about. I wish not that we won't have revolutionist. But when he picks Amy Klobuchar and it is a shitty fucking,

and he wins, and we're like, oh, look at that. And then he, and then literally nothing changes, and then people vote in Ivanka Trump. I don't wanna do, and I'm told I told you so but I will I will take a small amount of secret satisfaction and the fact that I fucking warned people and Honestly, like if the world is gonna be shit either way at least I'm trying to do the right thing here That's I mean I have to feel about it Literally as we're talking literally right now

There's a the Justice Department is quietly as Congress for the ability to ask Chief Judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies. Part of a new push for new, part of a push for new powers that comes as the coronavirus spreads United States. So we're literally, we're literally, oh, this is going to be much worse though, because, I mean, Trump does not know any fucking limits. I mean, the Patriot any fucking limits. I mean the

Patriot Act is bad. This could be way fucking worse. I mean, this is like handmaid's tail shit. Like I know people say it. I know people are like make jokes about it. I know it's like, oh, the resistance is, you know, they're pink pussy hats or whatever. It's like that's the real shit that's going on. It's not about like getting healthcare for everyone. Who fucking cares about healthcare when they're locking people up for no reason because they've been given like fascist fucking because we live in a fascist dictatorship. That's where we're headed. I'm more scared about that than I am about fucking having everybody having healthcare. I'm sorry. But I think if we don't try to get people healthcare

even if we get past this one time, people are going to do it again. People are going to vote for more like fucking fascist. We need to have everybody in this country needs to have healthcare. I think that is an, there's no question. But like, you're not going to get there if Trump stays in power. You're not going to get anywhere close to that. I think we fundamentally disagree on

how the board was tilted or if it should have been tilted. Like, I think that that's, but at this point, also, like, I'm, I know that we need to fight off exhaustion. We need to fight off fatigue. We need to stay focused, keep pushing for the things we believe in and try to outlast the fucking demon people. But I'm also just so tired and I'm so, like I know I can't just lay down and take it but like my

parents have no income at the moment. Oh dude I mean it's the way and he has no way of coming home. Things are really bad. Fucking things are really bad but like people are dying like my grandmother is trapped in a tiny room at a facility for elderly people like half a country away. And the two family members who live near her can't even see her. And it's like the woman's 80 something years old, she's going to die soon. And her like remainder of her life will be like prison. And it's like I'm so tired. And it's so I'm just so sick of having to like hear about how fucking, you know, Kamala's gonna fight for you to get $400 a month or whatever.

Like I'm so sick of this. Like I'm supposed to be like, yay. Slay, mama. You did it. No, no, no, but it's like the alternative is way worse. Unfortunately, and we have to, that's the thing that we have to grapple with right now. It's like, it's like the lesser of evils. That's what we're talking about.

We don't get to pick the best thing. But I know, but I'm telling you that there's a whole faction of this country who feels this way and isn't going to be like, well, I've got to pick the lesser of two evils because of the Supreme Court. So, whole faction of people who are gonna be like, fuck this.

And I know that that's horrible. And that faction is the factionist. That faction is fucking murder. That's the faction. No. It's Bernie bros. I think Biden breathed. No. Okay. And so if Bernie had been the candidate and all people would turn out old people always turn out. That's my point. Look at the youth vote. Look at the history of the youth vote in this country. Look at where they when they turn out, they turn out for candidates to get them excited and they stay home when they're not excited. Fucking Bill Clinton and Obama got the youth

vote out and besides them, they stay home. But you not excited. Fucking Bill Clinton and Obama got the youth vote out. And besides them, they stay home. But you know who voted, but you know who voted? Knowing that wouldn't it be smart? You know who voted? Put out a candidate that inspired them. The reality is, Joe Biden is getting for whatever reason. And I don't believe it's a fix. More votes, not only from,

I think he's getting more votes, not just more votes generally. He's getting more votes, not just more votes generally. He's getting more votes than in the last primary, more votes for more old people than in the last primary. And Bernie Sanders is getting either the same or fewer votes in a lot of places from the young people who are supposed to fucking turn out. So the reality is it's us, it's not the DNC, it's not fucking Joe Biden, it is the people who vote. They're not turning up

If our people that we're talking about the people that we know are turning up on mass if Bernie had gotten listen I'm fucking disappointed. Why didn't he get fucking people out? Why aren't people energized? It's not voter suppression The numbers are way too stark for it to be voter suppression He's not losing by small margins. He's losing by big margins. He's getting creamed. He got fucking destroyed in Florida. Like the vote don't think that has to do with a global pan. No, I think it has to do with him saying shit like a Castro was awesome. And there's a lot of people in Florida who don't think Castro was awesome. I don't think that that's it. I think it is. I think Bernie's I think Bernie in past. I think Bernie's a very I think Bernie's a very, I think Bernie's a very, he's basically very

unlikeable to people who aren't like fanatic about him. I think he sounds like a revolutionary in a way that people don't want to hear right now. I'm telling you, my dad is an ex-Trump voter who lost the difference. Oh, well, that's, I gotta say, no offense, not good, not good history. Okay. Like, if he likes Trump and now he likes Bernie, that makes me very worried. I'm sure my dad also liked Obama, and he liked Bush and he liked, he likes, he's a wild card. So, he picks the people who inspire people and win.

Well, I'm not gonna, I listen, your father may have good voting history. He may vote for the person that he likes and the most popular. I mean, you know, remember, remember, Donald Trump only won by 70,000 votes in three different states, okay? And he was running against one of the votes.

Yeah, how embarrassing for Hillary Clinton. He was running to have lost to Donald Trump. How embarrassing for centers, Democrats. No, that's not it. They couldn't even inspire people enough to not vote for Donald Trump. No, they, people, people, people, people, have ever been on the national field.

Hillary Clinton is one of the most hated politicians in the history of this country and she's a woman and i got to tell you if you look at the numbers and look at the numbers and hate her but she's fucking on she's addicted to being on television she's fucking bad melting anybody trying to do a good thing because they weren't nice i mean fucking let's be honest more than that she's a horrible shit it's more than that and frankly she's one of the worst candidates we've ever

know she's not she's actually great fucking. I'm not saying that she's, I'm not saying that I would have would not preferred Bernie over her, but like she actually is a pretty fucking good candidate for president. Like I hate to say it. Terrible person and her husband hung out with Jeffrey. I mean, yeah, but everybody hung out with Jeffrey Epstein, his rich apparently. Like so to Bill Gates,

so to fucking, you know, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, all these fucking rich people. I don't have to like any of them. Oh, we don't have to like any of them. But like you can't discount, I mean, you can't just be like, I don't, look, I don't think Hillary's cool, but like you can't just be like, I think she's a bad person. She's just a fucking, I think she's a bad person.

I mean, you know, I mean, she's a big thing to being on television. I, I, I, I, I, oh, here's what I know is that she had been a better president than Donald Trump. And I know that she lost by a margin that was like- Right, that would be a better president than Donald Trump. She lost by a margin that was like-

I have everything margin. Well, one million to millions of popular votes more than Donald Trump. That kind of history in that kind of party and that level of pedigree and then to lose to a reality star. Yeah, it sucks really bad at it. You know, but you know, you know, but Ryan, yeah, but Ryan, you know, right? You know that she lost because she's a woman, right?

You understand that. I have that question. Yeah, well she lost, but for many reasons. You look at the chart of president that she didn't campaign or she needed to campaign. She should have gone to fuck the worst concept is that she's a terrible person that adopted the vote. If you look at the vote, if you look at the vote, I agree with that. I mean, her, she did not have an inspiring message, but inspiration

is not what people, the people who go vote, it's not about inspiration. It was for all drama. For young people, for old people, they all went out to vote. Like they did for fucking John Kerry and all these other motherfuckers. Like that's the reality is the old Democrats always go out and vote. The young Democrats blow with the wind if they don't like the candidate they stay home. And that's why we fucking use. If he could a fucking win, he would have won. He didn't win. Then they shouldn't. He would have won. He didn't win

Then they shouldn't get the vote out. He didn't get he didn't get the vote out What do you mean? What do you mean? They don't choose the DNC isn't choosing Bernie could have won Bernie could have won the fucking primaries. He lost by millions of votes He's lost by millions You're telling me you're telling me you believe that every vote that was cast is corrupt and Suspect that millions of people You can't discount that at an institution would obviously prefer its preferred candidate Ex-Canada that has a lot of history. Yeah. Yeah. That's why that's why unfortunately

Yeah, that's why unfortunately rule that's why yeah, the Democratic Party exists Bernie wants to run as a Democrat He wants the Democratic nomination So if he wants the fucking Democratic nomination He's gonna have to play ball with the Democrats and I think one of the big problems with Bernie again I voted for Bernie in the last primary I would vote for Bernie in the next primary. I would like Bernie to be the candidate I want to stress this but the reality is Bernie made some

mis-fucking calculations. And I think part of the reason people have rallied around Joe Biden is not because they're like, wow, we love Joe so much. It's, you think Kamala Harris loves Joe? I don't think she does. I think they're like, we need somebody who's going to pull people together and can win. And Bernie is clearly not the guy.

I don't think so. Like the reality is they want somebody, they want somebody to win. And Bernie is not shown and Bernie is clearly not the guy. I don't think so, but I don't think so. The reality is they want somebody to win. I think so, but I don't think so. And Bernie is not shown, that Bernie is not shown that he's invested in pulling together the Democratic Party. He's shown that he's invested in blowing up the Democratic Party, and it's like,

I also think that the votes he could work. This race is gonna be completely determined by how people react to this virus. And I think Joe Biden has had maybe the most embarrassing least like felt presence of complete abdication of his leadership position. And frankly, the fact that the Democrats are floating plans to the right of the fucking GOP to deal with this.

I mean, yeah, it's embarrassing. Frankly, like honestly, just terror society down. I mean, if this is my option, I would rather terror all the time. No, but you say that, but it takes a long time to tear it down. And in the midst of tearing it down, a lot of people are going to die, and a lot of people are going to be hurt. And the reality is that what Donald Trump wants

is really nothing short of something that looks a lot like Nazi Germany. And so I get very concerned when people are like, let's tear it all down, because there is an alternative. The alternative is slower progress, but progress. And versus what we're dealing with right now, which is like nationalism approaching fascism, a disregard for democracy.

I don't think we've made progress. I think we've actually lost. We've made progress. We've made progress. Really, wealth inequality has gone up insanely. It's not about income inequality. Income inequality, income inequality is not the only not about it. It's not about income inequality income inequality income inequality is not the only measure of Progress it's not I

Agreed was outrageous income inequality, but there's that's not the only measure of progress It isn't that's one thing healthcare is one issue But when your entire society is based on how much money people have in capitalism It can that's every that's every developed country in the world. The difference is they have socialized health care and we don't. They have lots of socialized. There's income inequality.

There's income inequality in every country in the world. Every civilized socialized country in the world has income inequality. The difference is some of them take better care of their people than we do. That's it. You think there's income inequality in Sweden? There is.

That's bad as it is here. Okay, but it is bad. There's income inequality. It is nationwide income inequality. Well, in a large country, allowing for this level of income inequality raises the income inequality in every country who's fighting it. I think when you have, I'm not fighting against that. I agree. I agree. Ireland to run your taxes through. It allowed fucking bullshit. To get away with stuff that we have deemed illegal. You and I are in a heated agreement around the fact that the income inequality in this country is a massive problem and it needs to be in need to end. And I believe we're in a heated agreement about what should be done for the citizens of this country in terms of healthcare for everyone, a student, you know, debt either completely

eased, taken out of the picture altogether or eased in a way that's like much more sane for a person to deal with. I mean, I would be happy if it were a race completely. We just don't know how you could be anything. they whipped up the little bit of trouble and I had dollars to bump into the fucking corporate stock market. I mean if they were smart right now I mean here's the here's the scary part is that like Trump could very well be like we're gonna race student debt and all the sudden people are gonna be like wow Trump's really good and it's like that's not that's just a smoke screen but I will

say but like what I'm saying is like the income inequality is bad but it's worsened by the fact that we don't have programs in this country that take care of the citizens. If the income inequality was bad, but we had socialized health care, and we had paid time off for parents, we had fucking child care, we had an education system that supported all the students. You'd find suddenly people would feel the income inequality would be less present because you could survive. The problem is not only do we have income inequality

like everywhere does, but we also have no, we do very little to help the citizenry of the fucking country. So by the way, all of it should be blown to pieces in terms of the way things are now. I'm just saying, we're never gonna get that shot if Trump serves another term. I don't know the Trump will ever leave off as if he serves another term.

And I don't think we'll be able to do anything to stop him. And I don't think Bernie ain't gonna be around in 2024. He's not running for president. So we gotta come up with some other strategy. You know, like I need a strategy that it's Bernie dies what's the strategy. Do we know who takes over for Bernie? Who's the next Bernie?

Aote. She's better than Bernie in my opinion. She's better than Bernie, in my opinion. Like she's got star power in the way the Bernie I don't think does. Like I agree. I would actually, I think the AOC could be an unbelievable force. Yeah.

Like when does she own enough to run for president? I 100% agree with you. I will also say I'm in, I think, a stage of grief over the fact that millions of people are going to die, and the climate apocalypse is not going to be forced all, and if it is, it will only be forced all first all by dozens of millions of people dying, and then it will continue its inevitable march forward, and this entire situation will be used to grab more power for the wealthy.

And I don't have anything to look forward to. And I'm grieving the life that I like imagined for myself that was like promised for me. I think that, okay. But I think it's because I just knew it. I knew it was gonna be bad. Okay, but I think things are gonna get a lot better if Trump's out of office.

And if we have a Democrat in office with people around him who are pushing him Left and I think that that will happen. I do think that'll happen. I'm not happy. I'm not happy that it's not burning that you do Well, I don't have faith in humanity anymore. I think it's really okay, but yeah, but they're like there's like humanity And then there's like whatever's going on with the Republicans like I am not thrilled by all of the things that the Democrats have done over the past, you know, 20 years. I am like fucking super scared about what the Republicans have done in the last three. Like it's a different level to me. I, and I say this is a person with, with a kid.

I'm scared about like what shit is going to be like if the Republicans keep doing what they're doing. I'm so much more scared of that than I am of only having a moderately like progressive president. It's not even funny. I just don't understand like I look at these really rich people and I know that they're removed from reality. I know celebrities don't understand what it's actually like. Like to watch Ellen DeGeneres complain about being in her giant mansion that has a staff

and every supply she could ever need with a bunker. It's like, I look at it and I get that they don't, that mentally, they just physically don't understand, but I still can't fathom that that still isn't enough. That being a bunker Trump isn't enough. Like I don't understand what more do you want? Like can't, like, will it make you happy if people are dying in the streets? Will it make it your rich, like wealth, more sweet

if like people can't go to school? Like I don't, I don't, I don't. I mean, I do, yeah, I do think it's. I have to think it's, like, does that make it better for them? I do think, I do think it's human, I do think there's a certain part of human nature that there's like a serotonin hit when you feel that you're getting something that other people don't get. I think that rich people are fucking addicted to that. But I also feel like when you become that rich,

you are, it's impossible to see from another perspective. it's very hard. Let's say some rich people do see, but like I think very few of them are able to look and go, oh, I can understand what it would be like to struggle and so like we should do something about that. Like, when they rather live in a world where like, there are nice neighborhoods and people are like happy and when they have to mix with us on a plane, people are like, they, chop their heads off.

But they do live in that world. 99% of their time is spent in that world around other rich people. So why would they worry about what the people below them are doing? The reality is, but the reality is, it's not just about rich versus poor. It's like, I think that, and we've talked about this before,

but just this fundamental feeling of like, and I feel like I think that, and we've talked about this before, but just this fundamental feeling of like, and I feel like I will say for the first time, maybe ever in my life, because of this virus, I've felt like I need to protect my family first. Like I need to protect us before anything else happens. And like, I don't feel it constantly or consistently. I had a few moments where I was like oh my god like my priority has to be These people heat right in front of me right now who are the closest to me and like everything else is

Is is doesn't matter, you know And like that's a feeling that I believe and I never ever have felt that like except for a couple of moments when things when I've got really scared about what's going on with the virus. And like, I feel now I feel much more calm and like, I don't feel that way consistently. But like, what it, what was alarming was I was like, oh, this must be how like, a lot of people feel all the time. Like, how Republicans feel when they're like, I gotta get mine before you get yours or whatever it is.

Like, the people who like, who like value their own self-interest above all of the people around them or anybody else, like that you can't ever stop and go, well, how can I help another person? Maybe I can help another person too while I'm doing something for myself, or maybe I can help other people instead of doing. The whole of American individualism.

Yeah, and it's a scary feeling. It's like a weird feeling. It feels bad. It's like, I don't want to be a person who is like, I gotta get mine before you get yours. Like, that's not a feeling that I like. Like, it was, for me, the feeling, which however brief it was was born out of like,

just extreme fear about like, not understanding what was happening in the world and knowing that like, we could get to a point where I had no choice but to like put you know Laura and Zelda first like but But like day day to day that's not the choice. We all have to make for the most part day to day we get to make like a choice where which is actually pretty great where we can say like we can get what we need

But we can also help other people with the things they need and no matter how fucking small those things might be You know like it's like holding the door for somebody who's got fucking packages in their hands, or like donating money to a good cause, or fucking being kind to the people around you, or like, you know, it just like little, it doesn't have to be like, I'm gonna fucking take on the world.

Doesn't have to be like, I'm gonna knock, go door to door and fucking campaign. But it's the shit that we tell children to act like, and adults don't do it. It's like share, take care of other people. Like keep your hands to yourself. Like, things that we tell people. Oh, dude, it's not.

And it's not, and like watching kids, like watching Zelda's like class be like so decent. And like, you know, you start to see, you're early on you start to see like whose families are like truly living that decent shit and who are like when they get home they're fucking crappy to each other. And like, but you know, you have this moment of like, oh, people could be really good. Like people are born like that. They're not born bad. They're not born like, no, this person is just genetically going to suck. Like they are, they learn this stuff. They learn to be good or bad. They learn to help other people or not.

And like, I mean, you're right. It is American individualism. It is fucking like it is like this weird self protection that turns into actually like aggression towards others. And like the truth is, if we don't have leaders who fucking show people a better way, if like if Trump is the fucking high watermark for leadership, it's all downhill from here, you know? Like it is all fucking downhill. And like I will say,

in my life, what I see from the Democrats, whether you like them or not, and I mean like there are good ones and there are bad ones, but generally speaking, like at least in my family, I was raised to see and to believe in the things that that party was doing to help people. You know, my, my family is like an old school Jewish socialist family. They were part of like these socialist organizations for years and years and years. My, you know, great aunt, like helped to found like the one of the workers parties in Pittsburgh. And like, you know, what I saw there was like, there was an immediate connection between like,

those socialist ideals and the Democrats. And like, that's the reason why my family is always voted for them. I do think that we're in a dangerous place where we've lost a lot of that. The core of some of those like, old school socialist ideals and like, you know, civically minded, worker minded, human minded,

parts of the party. Like, and I do think Bernie fucking has more than any other candidate in recent memory has that, that's like his fucking brand, you know? Like I will say, I remember feeling with Obama in when he was campaigning, like the whole, remember the whole debate about Obama with the whole like community organizers,

he's like, oh, he's a community organizer and it's like, you know, that's actually a good thing. Like that's the kind of thing you want. You want like people who understand like how communities work together. Like, but like Sanders is like such a socialist, like which is in my opinion good. And I do think that's been a part of the Democratic Party and it is a fucking huge bummer that like it is not more

of a part of it right now. But like, I don't know, like I'll take like moderate Democrat over fascist fucking Republican any day of the week. I think what it obviously comes down to for me is that there's a party of sanity and a party of insanity. And obviously, I'm always going to vote for sanity. But just because I'm insane doesn't make them a good person or that like the things that they say will lead to good things. It means that they're sane and they're trying. And so yeah, obviously, I'm going to vote for that. But I also am going to be really critical and skeptical of the thing said and done because

it will be done on my behalf. I think we have to push. I mean, whoever the fuck it is, I don't think we can stop. Like, the things that Sanders is talking about and that I think so many people that I know want so desperately in need and that I want and support. I mean, you know, look, I have a job, I have healthcare. Like, I'm like, not, I'm not fighting for the people who are like, I mean, you know, look, I have a job, I have healthcare, like, I'm not fighting for the people who are like, I mean, I'm not fighting as one of the people who's like, you know, getting paid minimum wage and doesn't have healthcare.

Like, but I will say that is what I want. I want everybody to have it and I want the people that are in charge of this country to fucking fight for it. And I think we have to keep, I mean, this is why I'm bummed that like, I wish that I wish there was a world where, okay, let's say for whatever reason, old people are voting for Biden, but like, Bernie and Biden find some way to like work together. Like, I wish there was a world where that was possible right now because like, things are so fucked up. But like, we can't not keep pushing that shit.

Like, Biden needs to be backed into a corner basically by the progressive side of the party. Like, he needs to be backed into a corner where he can't get out of it. Like we need to pass fucking universal healthcare, like Medicare for all, wherever the fuck we're calling it. Like we need to fix the fucking student debt shit. We need to deal with fucking income inequality. Don't you think that maybe like threatening to not vote for him is a way to do that? No, I don't.

I think it's I don't. I think it's a way to get Trump in office. I think I'd rather I'd rather negotiate with somebody that I think can be swayed than be at the fucking whim of Donald Trump. Like, I don't think the answer is to go, I'm gonna take my ball and go home if you don't put the guy I want in.

I think the answer is to go, if you put your guy in, we're not gonna stop. And this conversation is gonna end. And so like, don't think that because like the, whatever old guy, whatever old white guy that you like is the guy who gets in, that this conversation is over, because there is a conversation to be had there.

In the world of Trump, there is no conversation. And I don't think we're at a point where we have enough people who can threaten to, like, there's a lot of old people voting, there's not enough young people voting. The threat is like not effective right now. Like it can't, it's like the only thing it amounts to is Trump winning again. And like you can't, like I don't know what you do, like what's the mechanism there that

somehow everybody goes, okay, wait a second. Like let's put it this way. What if the DNC agreed with you? And they were like, we want everybody to endorse Bernie, and then Bernie's still lost. Like, would we just be like, okay, we're gonna force Bernie through anyhow,

because like, we think that, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can't, you get into a scenario where it just becomes like, they're doing the same thing that you don't want them to do for a different candidate. Like if the votes aren't there organically. Like I don't think that, I don't think that if,

I mean, saying that there's a way to undo this or that we should have the super delegate's vote against whatever, I'm saying that like the DNC from the outset knew that the outcome that they preferred and that this entire thing was designed in a way that would get the outcome that they preferred, and that we need to be honest about that fact, and that we need to change the fundamentals of what is happening within the Democratic Party, because if it is the only home that we have, it should be reflective of, it should reflect the best of us.

Well, I think it should reflect everybody. I mean, I think the problem is, yeah, there's a lot of really awful people and the people who are the people who have influence, the people the worst of the very worst people, the people who have been most rewarded with society with power and ability and privilege are generally bad people who've been taught bad things because if they were good people they probably wouldn't have succeeded in our really shit society. God I'm so stressed out from this conversation Ryan. I know I know do you want to talk about anything else? No nothing I can't I got, I have to start drinking immediately now. Look, I think here's the thing.

We're in a dark time. You and I don't agree on everything, but I think we actually agree on a lot of things. I feel that we don't agree on everything. No, we don't want to be very boring. And the two of us were 100% on the same page and the rest of society disagreed. At least that there are some gray areas

that I'm like, oh, someone I respect doesn't agree. You know what I mean? Maybe I'm wrong. I honestly look. Honestly, I really wish Warren had been the candidate. For many reasons, I'm not saying that I think Warren is better or whatever than Bernie, but it just is like, I just actually don't want another old white guy to be president. I really would like, I would really like a capable woman with a plan to be president.

I think Elizabeth Warren would get shit done. I think she's pretty fucking decent. And like I just want to change, I just want to change. Like I don't want it to keep feeling the same way over and over again. You want some kind of revolution? Yeah, but I'm not, but not the, but I'm not, but, but not the revolution, but I would rather I would prefer a Elizabeth Warren revolution than a Bernie Sanders revolution, because I have to explain to Zelda why there are no women on the fucking list of

presidents. And it's insane. Every other country, every other fucking developed nation, every other major superpowers that a fucking woman, press prime minister or president, et cetera, us, were so fucking fucked up about women. And like, honestly, I just see it so much now. I see it when you have a daughter, and I don't want to be that guy who's like, rural to a head of daughter, but like, you know, it's true. Like, you see how fucked up the world is about this stuff.

And it's like a very capable, very smart, very good woman was running several. I mean, I think Elizabeth Warren was heads and shoulders like the best of them, who very much had some of the same ideas and ideals as Bernie Sanders. And I think very much could bring together more moderate Democrats who like Joe Biden. And she just got shut the fuck out, you know, for whatever reason. It's not like I don't think I think if part of it is people just don't want a woman. I think part of it is people want like something that feels familiar, which is why Biden has managed to succeed when he didn't know fucking money.

It's both her and Bernie and everybody made some very bad decisions and the chin fell where they did, but she was a very bad call. Well, one of her worst decisions was the whole DNA test thing that she did like six month people. The most care thing that I'm not wanting to go to an attack and then when she did go on attack, Justin's Bernie, like a lot of stuff that was. Well, she went on. She also destroyed.

She also destroyed Bloomberg. I mean, to her credit. Oh, no, totally, but that I think I think that things were already. Far. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I agree. No, no, no, she had a moment.

Like, look, it's she had a moment like a year ago that this, this, this whole thing could have been different. I think, look, I mean, I think we still have to deal with the uphill battle of this country basically, really hating women. 100%, but, but, but yeah, I agree. I mean, every one of these candidates has a fucking huge flaw or several of them. That's the, I mean, you're not going to get a perfect candidate. You got to get the person who's most perfect for you. And like, the problem is like, we need something that's like, it doesn't exist right now. I like

honestly, I don't know what it is. I think that these people do exist. I just think that our party is really bad at getting them where they need to be and our society is really bad at getting the right people in the right positions. We kind of reward people for instincts that don't pay off for us. I think that I do think that somebody like AOC in the future, I'm not just planning for down the road if we ever have elections in this country again, that her energy and also her opinions and attitude about how to talk to people. One of the things I love, Bernie does this too. And I feel like, like, most traditional candidates

are very bad at it. I think Obama did a really good job of this, where it's like, you just feel like somebody's talking to you like a human being. Like, you feel like they're talking to you, like, they're not trying to, like, they're not politicking. They're like, this is what I believe in. And like, I want to tell you about it.

And I think that like, it's like TV voice. Like, I'm so tired of hearing like politics voice and I think that's why I can't take Joe Biden and it has like now see here Jack listen cracker Jack is she working with the fucker that she does work for certain and it wants pal no malachi we're gonna cut that funny business no I think bring me I bingo like I can't take it if it works for some people though though. I get it like when he won like fucking the second whatever it was like You know the second big Tuesday thing. I was like he got up and gave the speech and it was like Kind of nonsense, but like it was nonsense

He cares more about someone's posture than he does if they like bully other people But he but he but he delivered it with like, but he delivered the nonsense with like a, you know, it's like that Simpson's episode where the two, you know, it's like John Jackson and Jack Johnson or whatever that you presidential candidates and it's like, you know, like we're going to go forward, never backward, you know, right, never left. Like it's always reaching upward, upward. And it's like that. It is literally like that. And I'm like, but like people are like, yeah, I'm like, I get it. It's like

sounds right. It's in the right tone of like, yes, hope. But like it doesn't, there's no like shit there. There's no meaning there. It's very frustrating. Anyhow, listen, coronavirus probably going to wipe out both Bernie and Biden before we even get to voting. So, wow, how is Trump not? How does he not dead? How is Trump not dead? I don't want him either one to say it because I don't want to be swathing. Everybody around him.

Everybody around him. No, not. No, not. Like, picking him out. No, but like, forget about taking him out. Like, how do he, how is he just not caught this thing? It's like, how is he not had congestive heart failure? I know it's nuts. It's nuts. It's nuts, how is he not able to adjust to a heart failure?

And it's nuts, it's nuts. It's nuts. How many people do I know that I've had strokes? And it is completely out of nowhere and their entire lives are shifted because of it. And this guy's fucking doing a Fedamines and meanlining McDonald's and he hasn't had any health problems.

I mean, young people are out here getting fucking COVID-19 and this guy just is going on and on Touching his face. He's touching everything that guy's touching people that don't want to be touched I I hope somebody I hope he I hope somebody fucking sneezes on him Right in his mouth right into his eyeballs and mouth. I wanted to be covered in coronavirus into his eyeballs and mouth. I wanted to be covered in coronavirus. Anyhow, this is the way the police harass me

for making threats. All right, we should wrap up. I gotta get my mind. This is all that tire. None of this is real. This is all smoke screen. This is a comedy routine where I play a character named Josh

and Ryan plays a character named Ryan. We rehearse this. This is, these are, character, you know, fictional characterization. It's also their cap, and nothing. And nothing that we've said, nothing that we've said is representative of the actual people named Josh and Ryan.

Who don't think there should be an assassination on the president? They don't think that at all. You're suggesting an assassination. Who would say that? We're just saying we hope he gets a cold. That's it. A bad guy.

That's what our characters are saying. But us, because we don't even want him to have a cold. In real life, I hope he is healthy and I am a patriot. Italy records 793 deaths in one day. That doesn't seem good. Oh, good. That doesn't seem good. Where we add here, Italy, 793 deaths in one day. That doesn't seem good. That's even where we add here Italy 793 new deaths

9% of their cases have resulted in death. That's very very bad United States we got 22 new deaths Fuck 1.17% of our cases. Okay, good. Yeah, at least fucked up, man. This is very bad. Very bad. Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. Very bad.

Anyhow, be safe. Take care of your families. You know, don't go outside. Please don't go outside. Please just stay home. It's not that hard. Don't go to your pals house because they made cake and it's only the two of you.

Yeah, that's how you get it. Just fucking stay home. Stay home. Make your own cake. Stay in your home. Make your own. Fuck. Learn how to bake a cake. Okay. Stay home. Anyhow. All right, let's name something nice things. Oh, it's just right. Tony has stuck on with us for this. Long Tony deserves the place. We got to do an edit on this one. This is a real. I'm going to call the episode Josh and Ryan argue. Just so people know what they're getting into. This is a real. I'm gonna call the episode Josh and Ryan argue. Just so people know what they're gonna get to. This is a bad one.

All right, go ahead, do your nice thing. Animal Crossing, New Horizons is out for the sweat. And I'm just gonna square to God. It is tethering me to sanity. I am that in the Oculus Quest because you can basically not be in your apartment when you're stuck in your apartment. I don't know, I don't know a better person.

She is the sister you would want. She is the mother you've never had. She's the friend everyone should have. I don't know a better person. Without the internet, without pleasant ways to force my brain to take a break and collect like pairs on a little island filled with adorable animals who love you. It's so stupid and yet it is my organic human body needs a break occasionally.

The mitochondria of my cells needs to stop at certain moments and thank God that this game has come out. Thank God for the internet. So my nice thing is like video games, man, and fucking, everyone in the world is now super into video games, and we're going to put some stuff on inputmag.com that will be resources for you to find the most relaxing and best games for you. Yes, because people fucking need this shit right now. People need it. We need to disconnect. I mean, we need to disconnect from life and connect with artificial life on an island. All right, let me think of my nice thing. Scouting? Yes.

Yes. My nice thing this week, Ryan, is scooting. I got a razor scooter because Zelda got a razor scooter because kids love to scoot. And I was like trying to teach her how to scoot. And it's like, well, this would be a lot easier if I had a scooter to show her. And so I got one. And especially now that we got to be socially distant

from other people and don't have anything to do, scooting is an extremely fine activity that we do here in our driveway. And we may scoot some other places in the near future depending on you know how many people are out and about but But it's it's incredibly fun. Okay, like I know I look like a dork on the scooter I understand that like I don't think that I would scoot like in Manhattan or whatever But you're just too tall to scoot. I'm very tall I got a one this made for tall people and like even this one probably is a little bit small for me.

But it's super fun. And it's really great to do something without where we're doing the same thing. We do, there's lots of things like that, but she'll want a color and I'll color. But I'm not that into color. Whenever my parents did the same thing I was doing in earnest. I have such good memories of each of those experiences. We do a lot of that stuff, and I mean, coloring is one of them, but like painting or whatever, which is actually, we painted,

we did some watercolors the other day, and I found it very relaxing. But scooting is just like, I've never, the only time I've ever ridden a scooter was like, I rode an electric scooter in Austin, and like, that was fun, but it's a very different experience. It's like, you know, this is just a nice activity

to do with her and I enjoy it. And, you know, in these times, we need to find the places where we can bond with our loved ones. And I'm scooting and bonding at the same time. Well, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am envious. You were so lucky to have her. And that is so sweet. Thank you. I thank you for saying that. I'm sure someday we'll all be scooting with your children. We'll be scooting. My little mutants, my little mutants that have come from the ooze after the bombs hit your your your your your COVID like COVID children. Uh, You know, it's fine. Well, I'll be in those hazmat suits that you'd all put on in the kitchen or whatever. It out of like garbage bags.

No, listen, it's fun. It's great. And I soon I'm gonna start to do tricks. We also have a great game called Crayola Scoot for the PlayStation, which last time I was in the house, she was playing. So I know I need to go find out what's happened since then, but yeah, I recommend it. Scooters for everyone. It's a good way to get out of the house, she was playing, so I know I need to go find out what's happened since then, but yeah

I recommend it scooters for everyone. It's a good way to get out of the house. All right I mean, you know like in a place that's not too far out of that. Not too far I just like don't if you're gonna scoot don't be waiting near anybody. You know what I mean? Yeah Okay, all right. All right. All right. I'll talk to you probably tomorrow. Yeah, bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back probably sooner than next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best. And honestly, I just, your family is going to be fine. I'm not going to say anything else.

Let's just get through this.