Tomorrow - 191: Ground Zero

Episode Date: April 24, 2020

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Hey and welcome to tomorrow I'm your host Joshua Topolski. Today on the podcast we discuss 5G Ginger and CES 2020. I don't always one minute. Let's get right into it. All right Ryan, we're back on the tomorrow podcast. Maybe you've heard of it. It's all about the future. Absolutely. I think I've heard of it. It's all about the future. Absolutely. I think I've heard of it before. And you know, we're in the midst of the Corona economy, the COVID crisis of 2020.

COVID-19, 2020. Still happening. Still going on. Still going on. It's still happening. It's still going on. It's still going on. We're still here. We're still at home. And everybody I know, well, many people I know are like, I think I had it. Have you talked to anybody who's had this experience?

Yes. And I would say about 50% of the time people sound very credible. And I'm like, yeah, that's probably the case. And then other people are like, you know, and then I tripped and I stubbed my toe and that maybe that was it. And then I just sneezing and maybe that was it. And then I sang a silly song.

Yeah, no people are like, I woke up like, I woke up in early March and I had like a really bad runny nose. I'm pretty sure that was it. It's like, I don't know. It may be good. We all got back from CES, we were sick. And it flew through the office, and we were all like, oh shit,

like when if COVID came around, everyone in our team was like, oh shit, like we definitely had COVID, we definitely brought it. Yeah. Someone was like, no, it was just the flu. Yeah. I mean, we don't know. We don't know.

It is possible. No, Laura was like, I was talking to Lauren, she's like, remember when you had that really bad cough and it wouldn't go away? And I'm like, I don't remember that. It was like maybe in February. I'm like, I don't remember that at all. But I hope that I had COVID-19. That's my real like deep wish, like as if I did. But we don't know because we don't have widespread testing. And this is the thing, and I would not have

to get into a big political conversation or whatever about this. It's just like, if we could somehow magically snap our fingers right now and get a test for every person in America, we could almost instantly get like a large portion of this country back to like some version of normal, you know. What bothers me is that an HIV test at home costs about 50 to 60 dollars and a COVID-19 at home test is about 120, I think was the number we reported on. Obviously, there people will be scalping them and charging in same prices, but what bothers me is that like,

these should be free because yeah, it does me a little good to know, but it does everybody else a lot of good if they know whether or not I'm immune to COVID. Like, it does the world a world of good if you ever, if everybody knows if I have a communicable disease. And that includes HIV and other STIs.

And this just makes it really clear and obvious. And it should make it really clear and obvious that like things like testing and healthcare need to be free and they need to be like pushed on people. Like the reason that we beat back HIV is because we spent a fucked on of money yelling at people, go get tested. It's very easy. It takes two seconds. Please do it. And sometimes they did. And we were able to like make such huge gains. And I think like,

you know, we need to take that approach to basically everything. Like it's kind of crazy that we have no infrastructure for that. Well, it's, it's, it's, I mean, you know, Trump keeps, I mean, they keep talking about this like defense production act, but it's like, what, why would anybody pay for it? Why would anybody have to pay for this test? I mean, it's ridiculous. Like the government should say, hey, we need to like figure out who has this and who doesn't and start getting like the country back to some version of normal. The economy is fucked up, people's jobs are fucked up, regular services are fucked up.

Why would it be a individual person's responsibility or their insurance company's responsibility to put the bill for a test that ultimately is going to have an impact on, I mean, I'm sort of repeating what you said, but it is like, it is, it's a fire department thing. Yeah. If my house is on fire, it is a benefit to all my neighbors. If it goes out, it's like, it's like, I mean, to me, this is an absolute no-brainer, and it's such a great example of why we should have like, like, nationalized health services. It's like, you just go, hey, for the health of the country, we're gonna do this and everybody's gonna get it. And that's what just what we're doing.

And nobody's paying for it and nobody's gonna have to figure it out. It's like if you can print $2 trillion to bail out a fucking shake shack or whatever, like you can definitely say to whoever makes these, hey, we're gonna pay you for them, we're gonna pay it cost. And you're gonna do it because it needs to be done now and that's the end of the story. I'm sorry, I mean, testing for this virus cannot be a for profit business.

It can be a for profit business, but the individual should not be footing the bill because it's not about individuals. It's about the good of an entire community and the communities beyond that. It's like, this seems like a huge no-brainer to me. What bothers me though is that we know that this is a no-brainer and we know that we know that basically the best way to protect our economy and also to take the economy off ice, which it is on ice, it's important that we use

like that Burby a drab event like open up or close because that's not what's happening. Rather than having to do this again ever, or rather in a way to make it easier this time, would be like to roll out testing, to have infrastructure for public health, to make sure that the backbone of our country, of the world is strong, and the backbone is basic services.

People need to have available. And I mean, this would come down to every crisis, but the fresh thing is that we all know this. Like, even, you know, Trump voters that I know and have spoken to in my family, who like, you know, my family's been doing huge Zoom calls, so it's not something I can avoid, have even said like that they understand that at this point. What bothers me though is that, like, Trump's crowing about opening up the economy, not because he thinks it's good or that

he thinks it's the answer or that it's a problem. He really thinks he can, like, he can, he can solve through complaining. It's because at the end of this, he wants to be seen as the guy who was obsessed with getting the economy back on track rather than the guy who fucked everybody up and destroyed like the state of the American economy, destabilized the entire world. And at the end of this, if the economy comes back, he gets to take the credit and say, I was the only one talking about the economy. And if it doesn't come back, he gets to say, why did nobody listen to me about the economy? And like it's, we can see him making those moves, but our representatives and basically the entire democratic establishment, including Joe Biden, have been completely unable to counter them.

It's just continued to do the same thing. It's insane that there is not, I mean, why isn't Joe Biden on TV every night? Like honestly, he's the candidate. Like, my dad has cracked. My dad has said, like, I think he's fucking this up. He's also said, like, you know, why are we bailing out giant corporations? Like they failed.

You know, regular people needs to be bailed out so we can survive, but corporations, maybe you don't survive. Like, my dad basically repeated the entire, if people saw this, this big interview that the CEO of Salesforce gave, where he was basically saying like, our airlines aren't going away.

The executives at the top who screwed up and weren't planning for a rainy day will go away because they screwed up. And new people will purchase those assets and a new airline will continue to function. Plains will go, but rich people will have to bear some responsibility for the choices that they made for us. And that's it.

And lots of businesses aren't going to shut down because they took the time. I worked at a bank when I was a teenager, and I was like 19, and it was during the recession and the financial collapse, and the bank grew huge numbers and expanded enormously because they weren't doing predatory lending before that. And so it was a huge opportunity for them. And that bank who had better policies than large national or international banks was able to see business because of that crisis. And this should be a growing moment for us. This should be a moment where we see the flaws and correct them. And what bothers me is, yeah, Joe Biden should be on TV saying this. He, some, my dad should hear some other option talking

so that he can latch onto him and like move away from what obviously is working. Like literally, if there was any person, any senior, I mean, it should be Joe Biden at this point. Just like, he needs to go on Chris Cuomo every night or wherever he can be most seen. I don't know where, I don't know like, you know, he doesn't have admittedly,

no Democrat has the ability to like do what Trump is doing which is like, he puts on a show every night at six o'clock that's the Trump show. And the Cuomo doing his best. No, Cuomo's doing, I mean, Cuomo's the only very visible Democrat right now who is like speaking on this subject with a sense of authority and reason and like and like it's very good but that should be Joe Biden like to be perfectly

honest. I should be hearing more about Joe Biden than I do. But Joe Biden honestly Joe Biden needs to I know that we're all like sheltering in place but like Andrew Cuomo who is like the governor of New York and cannot like just sit in his house. He's holding like briefings. There is an audience of reporters. It's obviously a very controlled situation. To a bind should be like, we're gonna set up a space. We're going to bring in cameras,

even if it's just for YouTube. We're gonna bring in cameras and proper lighting. We'll bring in reporters, and I'm gonna hold a briefing. Maybe it doesn't have to be every fucking day. It could be like every other day. It could be once a week. But like, dude, you're the, you're the democratic nominee and you are, you need to show like

what leadership should be looking like. I believe that he's capable of doing it. He should be on, like, a national stage of some kind every Sunday night before, like, must see TV starts. Yes. And, or he should be on social media. And I think that they're genuinely scared that the more time he spends in public, the bigger opportunity, his vulnerability.

I really don't know. I'm really, it really is confusing to me. It's like the election is, you know, what is it, six months away? Something like that, I mean, it's not that far off. And maybe it's longer than that eight months. I don't know, my math is not great. I don't think, no, it's like six, seven months. Six, seven months. Seven months, let's not that far off and maybe it's longer than that eight months. I don't know. My math is not great. I don't think it's like six, seven months, seven months.

Let's call whatever and change. You know, no, I know a lot can happen in seven months. That's a long, fucking time. But like I'm just saying, you know, if Joe Biden's out there, I mean, he bring him out, him and Cuomo could do a thing once in a while. He could come out with Cuomo one time a week and, you know, talk about his plans and how he's working with Cuomo to get the country prepared for the next phase of this in 2020, you know, 2021 or whatever. Like, I'm just saying, I don't understand just from up your marketing

perspective. Like, if you're in, if you're Joe Biden's like marketing boss, you're the head of comms, you're like, you're, your job is to make sure that he looks like the person you want to be voting for in November. Why is he not out in front of this? Right. He has experienced with this. That was his whole selling point. He had the experience. He had been in the White House. He understood all of the factors at play and he could speak to everybody. That was his whole pit. Right. And he lived through Obama and Chris Christie on the tarmac. Like he, where is he? Where is it? I don't understand. I really don't. Like I'm trying to, like, what, I'm just going to Google real quick. Joe Biden, what's

the first thing comes up when I Google Joe Biden right now? I mean, Megan McKinney and she's voting for Biden over Trump. Okay, great. The first story on my Google meme is are the fucking Fox news. It's like, okay, cool. Trump's briefings are campaign ads and Biden deserves it. Here's the New York Times. Trump's brief, if we're giving Trump a show,

we should give Biden one too. It's like, well, Biden should just take one. He doesn't need to ask for it. Like, he should just say, I'm doing the thing. I'm gonna have, even the optics of asking for something like that are so bad. So I do not think that if Joe Biden is like, I'm holding a press conference today at six o'clock

and I want reporters there and it's important. You know, like, do you not think that they would, you're just like, they're gonna show up. They'll definitely fucking show up if he's like, I'm holding a press conference. Like, yeah, it is possible for him to go and do it and do it in a way that's safe, you know? Everybody can wear masks and gloves

and keep, you know, six feet apart or whatever. Like, I understand, I mean, obviously like Trump has this, like, it's a very unique thing. It's like, you're the president, you can basically, like, you call a press conference. People kind of have to show up for it. But, I don't feel like people wouldn't show up for a Joe Biden, like actual physical press conference at this point, you know? How visible was Hillary Clinton who was so hated at this point? How visible was Barack Obama in the lead up to both elections?

You'd be only visible. I think Bernie Ben. Well, no, I mean, I've seen more of AOC and Katie Porter than I have of Joe Biden. Yeah, I mean, I think the issue is, but the issue is, like, of course, we're dealing with something that's unprecedented. I get it. Okay. I just think if your Biden's people, you've got to come up with a way to start messaging how he, how much of a better leader he'd be around this. I mean, I guess there's an argument. Listen, there is an argument that it's like, what's he going to do? He's not a governor, he's not a senator, he's not the president, he's going to get up and talk about what he would do. And I do think there's a possible like backlash to that, which is like, well, it's cool. You can

say what you would do or what you think, but you can't actually do anything about it. And maybe they're taking, but don't you think Cuomo has stepped on something with his visuals and his city and his doing things? But I do. And if Joe Biden sat down and said, here's my campaign platform. Here is current situation and here is Trump's campaign platform.

Which of these would address this problem? I do, but I agree. But the issue is, I think, Cuomo has, he has a state to run. He's directly in charge of making sure that people get the care they need, that people don't die. Like, I mean, I think that there is one of the issue, and maybe now I'm just like working through it here

as I talk about it. You get him up there, he can't enact anything, he can't make anybody do anything, he doesn't have any power right now, he's just a candidate. So I mean, it's kind of like, what's he gonna do, put together a task force, and they're gonna do what, like give recommendations? Like sure, I mean, he kind of already said

he was doing that. I do think the issue is like, what does Joe Biden do right now? I mean, I don't want to talk about politics. Well, why haven't I seen photos though, or like conversation stuff, screen caps of Joe Biden and like a FaceTime call with, but you know, like AOC and then Gavin Newsom and then Cuomo from all across the political spectrum.

He's apparently doing some of that stuff. I haven't really been following it that conversation. I haven't seen any of it. I mean, I just, and all I've seen is Joe Biden talking for him. He did, he did the late show with James Corden, so I mean. No. Well, so I mean, well just call it a wrap, we did it kids. I mean, he's got James Corden, so I think you're all set.

Everybody knows he's great. I don't know, I don't know. Anyhow, I don't even wanna talk about politics. I just want people, I just want a real leader to do real leadership stuff. I mean, honestly, say what you do about Cuomo's politics. Every time he talks, I feel like I learned something and I feel like he's giving us, like, information in a way that I would want, like, a actual leader to give us information. Like here's reality. Here's what the data says. Here's what we're doing. Here's what we

need. Like, we don't get back to abnormal until we do X, Y, and Z, not this fucking bullshit from Trump where he's like out there going, the bare minimum looks so good right now. Like Cuomo caught Medicaid in a pandemic and like that's not something to ever like forget. And yet his competence looks so attractive amongst like the complete insanity that is like I mean, Trump tweeting out like liberate Minnesota. It's like he's calling for like the death of people. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

It's crazy. Did you see the boss of headlines so good about the governor of Georgia? Yeah. Because he's like, you know, Trump's like, we got to open the states, governor of Georgia's like, all right, Mr. Trump, whatever you want. And then Trump's like, fuck you, you're an idiot.

Why would you open your state? It's so like a classic Trump. It's anyhow. All right, let's talk about technology. Let's talk about fun stuff. Let's talk about cool stuff. Let's not talk about Donald Trump any longer. Well, nothing at the moment is very fun or cool.

That's true. That's true. Um, far right extremists hacked Bill Gates. Yeah. Is that fun or cool? No. Bill Gates has become a lightning rod for, well first of all, like Bill Gates,

like honestly, like you type in Bill Gates name to Google and now it's like Bill Gates, Jeffrey Epstein, which is like sad, very sad for Bill Gates. I don't know what he did with Jeffrey Epstein. Apparently they were buddies, not a great look from what I can tell. But, let's then, I have my complaints with Bill Gates. The Epstein stuff, I don't really know what was happening there,

but I'm certainly, you know, keep one eye open. And like, it's nice that he gives away so much money, but like, you know, you could give away so much money that you're not the second richest man. Maybe you're the fifth, maybe you're the eighth. Just give away more. But at the same time, like, there's no reason to have a conspiracy theory around Bill Gates. Like everyone's like, like, like, there's this whole thread online that's like Bill Gates gives the most money to the WHO. He must be behind COVID. It's like truly no good deed goes unpunished.

If he didn't just like never done a thing, never given anyone a dollar, they would have just left him alone. Okay, so wait, so Bill Gates, so now, but then he's like doing all the stuff that's very positive. It's seemingly, he's like setting up the, helping to set up these like huge vaccine factories, and they're gonna test different vaccines, and they're gonna all like kind of like swarm on the one that is the most effective. Hold on.

Oh boy, that's COVID right there. And, but yeah, but apparently he's become, I mean, it's weird, it's really fent, it's like sort of but apparently he's become, I mean, it's weird. It's really fun. It's like, it's like sort of fantastic because it's like anybody, I mean, there's, and by the way, all the stuff that's like these, these counter protests and these open the open up the states and all these like right wing, like, I think all of it has a really weird, like, feel of not being something that is real or organic.

Like, all of it is just like this weird mishmash of like QAnon and like, weird feel of not being something that is real or organic. All of it is just this weird mishmash of QAnon and like... It's a supremely astroturf. It's a very tea party. It's very concocted. It's like people are mad at Bill Gates now because he's trying to help and it's like, all of this just feels really fishy. I don't want to say it's like Russia, but it definitely feels like a manipulation of like the, it's certainly of the media, but it feels like a manipulation

of... I mean, even if it is Russia, it's a kind of, it's shitty, it's an indictment of us that we fall for it so easily. But we did write that story that was like all the anti-quarantine Facebook groups were linked to the same gun rights organizers. Yeah, and the times, the times has a thing that it looks like it's like some coke related thing, the coke brothers, you know, and it's all like, oh, there's always like, this is not like some organic movement. This is some, some weird astroturf bullshit, or this is

like propped up by some large organization. The thing that is striking about the Bill Gates conspiracy stuff is it's like, it feels very much like out of the much out of the kind of the fucking swamp of like forechand. It's like, it's like, you gotta take some Epstein conspiracy stuff and you gotta take some QAnon shit, then you gotta take some anti-vax shit, then you gotta take a little right wing gunnut shit and like states rights and fucking militia bullshit and you kind take a little right wing gun nut shit and like states rights and fucking, you know, like militia, bullshit, and you kinda swirl it all together.

Anti-science, anti-climate change sort of thinking. And you swirl it all together and you get like a mystical like Bill Gates, rumor or whatever. And I think that the whole thing is just like, feels wildly phony to me in a lot of ways. But we can't- Like the motivation for to like cook up a virus and then release it in the world, like it changes,

like per Twitter thread by a Q&A person. Like it's always like to put chips in us, to do like to control the economy, to you know install a fascist dictatorship, which like Donald Trump is the president, like you got what you wanted. Yeah, it's like nobody's installing a dictatorship. You got what you wanted.

No, I mean, I mean, it's different every time. It's like they want to put chips in our brains. But it's also like, sorry, why are, I've always wanted, I've never talked about this before, but it's so interesting to me the way you, if you're part of a political party, you have to be down the line on every belief. But like, so you're telling me that like,

the far right extremists are also, they also, like, you're a far right extremist, you believe in like, I don't know what, you're a Nazi, you're a neo-Nazi, you wanna get immigrants out of the country. But like, you're also like, COVID-19 is fake, and Bill Gates is a pedophile, and like, whatever it is, like, you have the whole bucket of ridiculous ideas

as like a package that you have to believe in. Like I get, like, you're a gun nut who hates immigrants. Okay, totally understand your platform. You suck shit and like, you have bad ideas, but I understand what you're all about. You don't like people of color, you don't like Jews and you love guns. Totally understand your viewpoint on that. But why also would you be like also vaccines or bullshit?

Or like COVID-19 is a scam. It's like, okay, I'm sorry. I think it starts to break down a little bit when you believe all of the things. Like if you believe all of the conspiracies are true, then basically none of them could possibly be true. You know, I mean, yeah, you can't stitch it together into a narrative that makes sense. Like David, I could. No, I was going to say you can't, you can. You'd come up with the biggest secret, a great book by David Ike that I recommend. David, I love the here David Ike's take on 5J.

David, Ike, no, no, no, no, there's, there's fucking David Ike's been talking about it. I didn't mean to a story about it. Hold on, David, Ike. I've been avoiding David. Oh, no, I think David Ike is, I don't really want to. I think, by the way, David Ike, if you don't know, is a huge, so he's 100% of 5G conspiracy theorist, okay? Of course. A 100%.

David Ike, hold on. YouTube, this is an article. This is an article from early April coronavirus YouTube Titans rules after David Ike 5G interview Yeah, no, I mean listen During the interview mr. Ike falsely clear that there is a link between 5G in this health crisis And when asked for his reaction to reports of 5G mass being set on fire in England in Northern Ireland He responded if 5G continues and reaches where they want to take it, human life as we know it is over.

So people have to make a decision. Dude, I'm sorry, everyone's so fucking dumb. Like it is so insane. I'm sorry, the internet was supposed to be this, it was supposed to be, it was like all the world's knowledge at our fingertips and it's like, you know what you fucking guys have done with it? You've used it to be like 5G, all the world's knowledge at our fingertips and it's like, you know what you fucking guys have done with it? You've used it to be like 5G, 5G is the anti-cry. It just makes everybody as smart as they were,

but like on meth. No, it's like, you know. It's like people who know information are now like experts and they're like, actually, you know, I'm a Twitter user and I pulled some studies from this blog post and over here and then, you know, the people who are conspiracy theorists are like mehd out Everyone's like everyone's everyone is is very smart about the thing that they're most interested in Which is not the same thing as being very smart. It's like I believe that like dragons are real

So I have studied I've gone down to I've read every fucking Wikipedia entry on dragons and I'm a dragon expert And so like you know don't step to me with your fucking note dragons don't exist bullshit. It's like, okay, cool. Like, you've picked the thing to be an expert on that literally is dumb as shit. Like congratulations. You're like 5G actually causes coronavirus. Let me explain it to you. I've read all of the papers.

It's like some fucking dipshits have like written about it. Like people who are like pseudo-scient, like literally it's like you went to the university of 8chan, you went to the university of Wikipedia or whatever, and now you're like, yeah, these guys, these fucking armchair epidemiologists on Twitter who are like, time for some game theory.

Here's how many deaths they're gonna be. And it's like you Like didn't complete high school and like you're a fucking accountant like what I don't you know It's like I don't know like where is this coming from? And meanwhile I say this is a person who didn't complete high school and I am a professional accountant I get you can't really become a CPA if you don't complete high school is my guess This is the kind of stuff you learn about if you complete high school. What you can and can't do once you have the, once you have the, whatever the fuck it's called,

diploma. So did diploma? So did you get? Yes. Very short. G-E-D, I think? I don't know if you got a diploma. Does the D and G-E-D stand for diploma?

The please don't ask me. You're absolutely. Maybe someone with a G-E-D. You could not have found a worse person to ask this question too. to anyhow, so what were we talking? Oh, yeah, right so Bill Gates got hacked I mean, I don't know that's that's only a small part of the big problem Which is like that people exist who are like in our like we got a hack Bill Gates and in spread like misinformation I just don't understand that scenes Wait, so like all these people whether or not they're doing it in good faith or they

were like tricked or whatever, these people are protesting because they want like barber shops open and they have like guns and masks and they're like riding around town with their gun, like flailing their guns around and like scaring healthcare workers who are trying to now counter protest, which like, please healthcare workers don't waste any time on this. Right. But like, they're the same people who say that like protesters, like Black Lives Matter groups are violent and like their quote unquote thugs and they're like dangerous and they, you know, they're terrorists organizations.

But like Black Lives, I've never, I've been to several Black Lives Matter marches, I've been to trans lives matter marches. Nobody ever has a gun, nobody's ever wearing a mask that, like, and I'm not talking about like a health mask, like a surgical mask, nobody's ever wearing like a full fucking anonymous, like, you know, what's his name? Remember, remember the fifth of November, Guy Fox mask. Like, people are in general holding signs and crying

and like pleading for people to understand that they don't wanna die of preventable causes, you know, at the hands of police officers. That is way too violent and outrageous. Right, extreme it. But like, I wanna go to the barber shop, so I'm gonna take my 8K47 and from children and stand on the courthouse steps.

Like, I'm sorry, what the fuck are we talking about at that point? And I understand that like, listen, there's some stuff that they're saying that we need to hear. I think, I actually think, like I do think we need to hear that they, that these groups and these people, however small they might actually be, this very vocal, tiny minority doesn't want to be spoken to like children. They don't understand the science, they're frustrated, they're tired. Okay, we need to address those things because whether or not they're right, those are going

to bubble over into problems and we need to start dealing with it now. But what I don't understand is that like, okay, why do you think this is the solution? Because most of them are wearing surgical masks, so they clearly don't think the virus is fake, but they think that like everybody going outside and to being together is the solution to what? Like, so you can get a haircut, okay, but like what else?

They're like screaming about liberty. It's like, you know, you're like, if you wanna go get infected, go right ahead. Go like Lika Subway, Paul, if that's your goal. I mean, the thing is, okay, look, first off, we don't know where, I mean, basically, these protests are not grassroots. These people are getting fired up

by large organizations that want them, they wanna create like panic and they wanna create civil unrest and they wanna create like some feeling of, you know, some feeling of like, what's the word I'm looking for? Combativeness, combative nature between, you know, one side of this and the Democrats and the Republicans, Republicans want to open it all up and Democrats want to stay home and they don't care about the economy.

It's all a plot to undermine Trump or whatever. And it's like, if we had a president, if we hadn't even remotely normal president, and I mean, like, like a Mitt Romney, who sucks. Okay, like Mitt Romney blows, right? But Mitt Romney, I think in this situation would probably be like, well, okay, there's a real like actual thing that's like 15,000 fucking people have died in New York. So I mean, like 45 or 46,000 people have died in America in like a few weeks. It's the leading cause of death in this country. Okay.

This is not a fucking game. It's not a joke. It's not it's not smoking mirrors. It's not a fucking conspiracy. It's real. People are fucking dying like on mass. And there's like, we do not have the capacity to deal with all of it.

Like we just are scrambling right now. As a country, if you had a normal president, a normal president would say like, we're, he'd say what fucking basically with Cuomo is saying, he'd be like, we're gonna get things back on track, but we have to do it the right way, or there's gonna be more death that we don't want that,

because it doesn't help anybody. He should. If another 100,000 Americans die for no reason. You know? The messaging should be, we wanna open the economy up so badly, and we wanna get America back to where it was, but that only happens if we have our priorities correct.

And our priorities are saving lives not because of the we go we feelings even though those are valid and we do need to care about people. But also because if you don't care about those things the economy isn't going to recover if there's a mass amount of people dying right and the economy isn't going to recover if everyone's scared to go to bars or restaurants because we don't have science and we don't have the situation under control. So what you'll end up doing is opening all these places up. What the president should be stepping up and saying, we need to put the economy on ice. And what on ice means is that rather than everybody being fired and then companies reopening

and having to rehire, think of the lost man hours, the lost effort, the lost money, that we will all suffer because all of these companies didn't know what to do. Rather than doing that, what we're going to do is make sure everybody's stuff is paid. We're going to suspend rent and mortgage payments. We're going to add those mortgage payments to the end of like your term. So, you know, say this goes on for six months. Now your mortgage is extended six months. The bank will get its money eventually. All these banks have enough money to be to survive. And we're gonna suspend rent payments and if you're a land lord, like you're gonna have some leeway

on your mortgage payments for those rent payments and if you don't have mortgage payments, well, when you're in financial enough, shape to handle the hit. And that sucks. And that's where we are because what we need to do is get to a place where people can go to Walmart and people can go to their local bar

and people can go to a local bookstore and people can hit up target and we can only get there if we do things in the right order and there's a right order because there's with the economists and the scientists and the medical staff are telling us and if you have a problem with that then you are against You're against sense you're against, that's what they should be doing. And instead of that, we have Joe Biden who's like fumbling around being like, this guy is a whack ado with Milwaukee. And Trump who's just like crowing and hemming and hawing

about how the blue states deserve to die. I mean, the reality is, I mean, the Republicans are a fucking death cult. They don't care about anything except power and money. They do not care about poor people. They do not care about working class people. They do not care about people's rights or civil rights. They do not give a fucking shit.

And Trump is the perfect embodiment of it. He has no, there is no fucking, most Republican politicians have worked hard to like pretend, at least in public, that they don't feel that way. They've worked really hard to like create laws and policies and behind closed doors talk about how they all of those things are real and they don't care. But they've basically put on a front like they do care. Trump has basically taken that all away. And now we see like what they really are about. What Trump cares about is he doesn't care if more people die. He wants to get reelected. He wants to get more money flowing into businesses that he either

has an association with or has actual monetary benefit from. And that's all they care about. That's all they care about. I mean, the only thing that we need to continue restating and the main thing Joe Biden should be saying is Trump hotels have not taken in a single homeless person. That tells you everything. Well, I mean, that's that's one of many things they could say. But, but I think that resonates with regular people. I think if, if you said, Trump hotels have not even opened up for homeless single mothers and their children during a time of pandemic. That if that doesn't resonate with people that like, then humanity is not the way to go because I can't imagine anybody with a shred of a soul

at this point who would be like, that's fine. Yeah, I mean, but the point is going back to the protests and these like groups or whatever. If there was a president who was even remotely trying to pretend or just remotely saying, there wouldn't be people wouldn't be out in their cities like going, I want to return to work because they would feel like the government was going to support them. They would feel like they would understand what is actually going on with the facts. I mean, this is a fucking dude. The fucking president of the United States

pretended this was not even a thing until like March. Like until March, he was like talking about how it wasn't a big deal. I mean, we just have to complete a total bankruptcy in terms of leadership. And that bankruptcy doesn't isn't just about like policy. It's about how people feel. They feel like they don't know what's going on, which is ultimately what he wants because he wants chaos

and he wants people to be fucking, he wants people to die. He wants people, he wants the economy to restart it, not because it's important for America, but because he thinks it's important for him, you know? And anyhow, so the point is like, all these protests you're seeing, by the way, they're very fucking small. There's like less than 5,000 people in America who've protested, okay? They're nothing. They're nobody's. They don't represent 90% of Americans are like, yeah,

I want to stay home and protect my communities and protect myself. And I'm going to do that until scientists tell me otherwise. Most Americans are not those people, you know? And those people are being propped up by bankrupt politicians, morally, ethically bankrupt politicians, and corporations that want them to die so they can make money. And like anybody who falls for it is a fucking sucker, and they should know better, but they are getting

the wool pulled over their eyes by the fucking leadership of this country and it's it's disgrace It is a fucking disgrace the likes of which we've never seen we have not seen for a very long time in America and you know It's like there's a great New York Times story about about what is gonna happen to get us back to a place where we can You know sort of reopen America or take the economy off of ice. And it's like the end of the piece is talks about America's status in the world. And the reality is like our economy, our leadership, our stature is fucking gone. It is gone. Like this is this is not America is not the world's leader anymore. China is the world's economic power now

Uh, in terms of moral Leadership and that's gonna come from other countries probably in Europe and Asia, you know Um, in terms of uh in terms of of the status of America. What do we do? We make iPhones? We came up with the iPhone. What else? We don't even make the iPhone. Right, what else do we do? What else does America, what else does America good at now? We have pop stars and not even once as good as Kpop. Yeah, we have.

Missles, missiles, theaters, weapons, we make weapons. We're one. And Broadway, but again, not as good as the West End. Right. I mean, I don't know what we do. If you think Disney, Disney Netflix, you know, entertainment. But Netflix is all, I mean, basically Netflix is completely built out of Chinese debt. Well, not to get into a larger. No, but also, but also, I mean, they're, you know, all these services are like, their

big targets are not not just America now. There's an entire global. Of course not. This is the biggest target is India. Yeah, right. There's a huge market that they're just starting to break into. There can be much, much bigger markets than America is. And anyhow, the point is, the fucking point is

if we had real leadership, this would be a different story. Like, this would be a different experience. And we still actually could have the world's attention as a leader, you know, if we had done this the right way. And we didn't. And it's very depressing, you know, and as a person who's lived through some of the, some of the best leadership, I mean, listen,

you have people have problems with Obama, but the reality is Obama was, was a great leader, especially in times of like national crisis. Like he at least, you may not have agreed with all his policies. I know I didn't, but he at least was able to get up in front of people and say, our here's what we're doing.

Here's why we're doing it. This is the deal. Like you may not like it, but we've got to do it. And people are like, I mean, yeah, sure Republicans fucking hated them, but they mostly hated them because it was black. I mean, let's be real, you know? Not because of his policies.

Policies were fucking centrist as shit, you know. Yeah, he was basically just a very liberal. Yeah. Yeah. Anyhow, okay, let's move on. I'm like, we're not going to talk about politics. Yeah. Here we are today.

Um, well, some things are getting better. Google, we wrote a story about how Google is now requiring advertisers to verify their identity so that you'll be able to see Like who placed an ad which kind of baffling that that's not Like industry standard and also like, you know, right legally required Well, I think we've come a long way from from I mean when you think about advertising when you think about a long way from from I mean, when you think about advertising, when you think about, you know, what it used to be versus what it is now, like advertising used to be this thing where you were like, all right, I'm a I make Coca-Cola. I'm Coca-Cola. I have a marketing arm, the marketing arm. I, you know, or I contracted a ad agency in New York, they're like, well,

you got to get your ads, you you gotta put your ads in Vogue. Because all the Vogue, you know, oh, you may die a coke, well that's great for the Vogue readers. We're gonna put some ads in there. It's like, okay, the ad company worked with the brand, and now there's an ad in Vogue magazine. It's a very straightforward transaction, okay? Now it's like, there's like a company based in San Francisco that's a CPG brand that

ships its goods from China. They've hired a marketing firm. The marketing firm has contracted a bot network to, you know, it's like just shit, I was all fucked up. And like you don't know, like anybody could put a fucking ad on Google. I could put an ad on Google for something right now. What am I advertising? You don't know, like, anybody could put a fucking ad on Google. I could put an ad on Google for something right now. What am I advertising? You don't know.

I could put an ad on a fucking pro Trump ad on. As far as I know, you don't know who put the ad there. It just shows up. You type, Trump, Russia, suddenly my ad appears. Trump actually Trump has nothing to do with Russia. Russia hates Trump. Whatever. The fucking point is, it's crazy how much we've gotten away from the standard transaction

of like the way ads used to work. It used to be, if you wanted to buy a magazine, it was at a really reduced cost because advertisers like created art within there that also plugged their products. And so you'd see like a funny little ad and it would be like pretty and you'd be like, oh, interesting. And next that would be an article that was also paid for by that ad existing. And although we probably shouldn't have tied the truth telling fourth estate to capitalism

and to selling products, it was a system that worked because advertising works when a little of it is done the right way. It works better for consumers. And my opinion, it works better for consumers. And my opinion, it works better for advertisers. But now that we're in a place where like these advertisers are coming into your home and like yelling a message at you anonymously, when you're like just trying to do things that

should be basic utilities, like look up, you know, how to convert ounces into whatever or like maybe you need to read the news. And in order to get basic information about how to use a mask, to not get a pandemic disease, you have to be confronted with this one weird trick for your belly fat. We'll also stop Nazis and you're like, what? And then you click on that.

And it's like, we're so obvious getting at this point that to act as if these companies don't have a responsibility, like it's shocking the amount of money that Google makes off of something that is, if we're being honest, a pretty cynical and like unethical business practice, and we have not like asked for like a basic level of like, a basic level of accountability, a basic level of transparency. And like, you know, even Facebook this week rolled out this thing where pages will now have a feature you can click on a button and see what wear in the world,

the page is based. And it's like, okay, but like, are you hunting down this information or are you just scraping it from people's credit cards? Because if you're just scraping it from their credit card data, you could just buy a credit gift card in the US. I mean, it's definitely one time. I'm sure there are. And then fake that data.

I think they're requiring, I don't know how they're doing it. But I mean, the Facebook thing is one thing. On the ad side, I would just say that, I think it's a step in the right direction for us to be able to identify who's actually behind an advertisement. I do think that, you know, people talk about the ads on Facebook.

I think there's been a lot of focus. Facebook has actually gotten off the hook, in my opinion, because people have focused on the advertising on Facebook. They're like, oh, well, political advertisements and all this. That's actually not the problem on Facebook. The problem on Facebook is not the people who pay for the advertisements. It's actually more the sharing, the organic sharing of misinformation on Facebook. It's a separate topic than the Google thing.

Obviously, I think it's just generally positive that Google is going to be able to show where the ad came from and they're verifying who is actually behind the ad. There's going to prevent a lot of bad actors, I think from even like getting in there. But, I mean, of course they can set up shell companies and all that shit, I'm sure they will. But the Facebook thing is different in that, I mean, the problem with Facebook

is that shit is shared organically. Like, like, old people are like, oh wow, like Hillary has pneumonia and is dying or whatever, you know, or Hillary has, Or Hillary has some weird bone disease. I'm gonna share this meme that I saw from my cousin's page. Like that's actually the fucking problem with Facebook is that people are disseminating information. Not the fucking, I mean, the obviously the ads

are an issue too. But I do think any attempt to show people where something's coming from and hopefully like identify that it may not be the source that you think it is is really useful. I'm mostly on the Facebook thing I'm mostly excited because I now it now will expose people from I mean one of my great great pet peeves is people from like England or Australia or Canada who are like prominent, like US politics commentators. It's like seriously like shut the fuck up. Like you don't live here, you didn't grow up here.

I'm not saying that foreigners can't comment on American politics, but when it's like Milo Yananopoulos who's like British and he's like somehow a voice of the right wing in America, it's like shut the fuck up. And more than anything I want people to be like, wait, this guy is like in Ireland and he's like a prominent political commentator on US politics, like go fuck yourself.

So that's, I'm hoping to tamp down a little bit on Australians and British people commenting on my politics in this country. I don't know if it will, but that's all I want. Is that too much to ask? Firstly, Dan Louise mentioned, I don't know why you. She's another fucking one of these fucking British British mother fuckers. They're like, what Trump said today was so in pull a shut the fuck up. It's like, I don't say shit about your fucking dumbass prime minister. It's like, I don't say shit about your fucking dumb ass prime minister. Like, seriously, we don't need to hear it from you. Like, we're not part of your shit for a very specific reason. We don't want to hear British people talk about our politics.

We literally created the whole country so that could happen. So please, respectfully, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up, by the way, one of the greatest phrases ever coined in the history of... In the history of the history of speaking one final note. I just want to throw out Hey, GameStop if you're listening you're not But if you are and if anybody who goes to GameStop is listening don't open your fucking stores I got it your business is falling apart and that's the end of for you. Well, that's too bad

Please don't kill a bunch of people on your way out because you were like, have to compete with the eShop. Please, GameStop. This is just a PSA from you, from video, from from from old pal Hula, Hula, Hula hand to my old pal gaming. To your buddies. Cut it out, bud. Shut the fuck up.

GameStop, yeah, GameStop. First, they wouldn't shut down because they're like, we're in a central service. And then it's like, it's like, well, yeah. I mean, listen, I understand, so people don't have internet access and they can play a game. I mean, I think it's tough, it is tough to argue.

There's a difference between a liquor store and Game Stop. Well, I mean, you could definitely make an argument. I mean, the truth is about like, honestly, people could be in a really bad way if you don't have liquor stores open. I mean, exactly. I mean, about liquor stores about like, honestly, people could be in a really bad way if you don't have liquor stores open. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, about liquor stores, people could have seizures and like, like strokes.

Like, me, like, I would, I'd die if there were no liquor stores open. I would actually drop dead. I think like, I think like, GameStop, pretty tough argument that they're essential. And then, um, and you know, they want to reopen. It's like guys, I don't know. I think maybe you could wait.

Just wait it out. Can you guys just, just, you know, have a, have an auction of whatever's left. You guys can all split it and go home. The game stuff wasn't going well before this. I can't imagine that reopening a couple stores is gonna turn the tide for them. I mean, it's definitely a bad look

if you ask me if you're game stop and you're like, we gotta get those doors open. We gotta crack those doors open right now. We got some amiibo to sell. We got, it's also like, we got some used consoles, you know, only lightly handled. It's like, I don't know guys, maybe don't, just don't do it. Well, in gadget news, I'm gonna talk about your magic keyboard.

There's so much to say about that. I got a, I got magic keyboard apples, magic keyboard for the iPad, and it is a really weird device. It's super heavy, It is very stiff. It doesn't feel like it should work, but it does. There's a very steep learning curve,

like right away you're like, I hate this, this is the worst, this is very uncomfortable. The iPad is definitely not a device that is made for a touchpad, sorry, trackpad and keyboard input. Though I think like it's like 50, I was like 65% like where it needs to be. Fuck it.

I was like 70% where it needs to be. It clearly is not designed that iPad OS is still not designed for like someone who's predominantly like 80% 90% of your interaction is through a keyboard and a track pad. It's definitely designed. Wait, remember when they were like, we can't put a touch screen on the Mac book because the OS wasn't designed for touch screen and it won't be good. And it's like, okay, I totally hear that. But you can stick a mouse on an iPad.

Yeah. No, it's like, there's some things that are really clunky. Like, like, you know, I was pasting in links from Pinterest to somebody, and it's like the dialogue, there's still like a dialogue to copy a link, and it's like, why? I mean, I can hit like Splatsy, I can hit like Apple C and copy it.

Like, why not just let me open the thing and hit Splatsy or whatever, I still have to open this weird like share sheet to get a link to then paste it in somewhere. It's like, there's some very clunky stuff that's like, this isn't how it should work. You know, obviously you can copy and paste. Like, there's stuff where it doesn't, this is still saying it's always annoying me. It doesn't target text fields the way it does. Like, you open a new tab and Chrome.

The text field is not targeted, right? You talk to somebody and slack. When you open, you know, I switch between an app and go back to slack. I have to hand target the text field that I want to type in, which is insanely annoying. I think that they could make some changes, and I hope that they do the next couple of versions that make this a lot better.

That said, the iPad is 100,000 times more useful with a proper trackpad and keyboard. It is ridiculously fast. It feels like the fastest computer I've ever used. Like switching between apps, like going in and out of stuff, just like doing shit, just feels ridiculously fast and smooth.

And like, I will say, I definitely see a version of Mac OS in the future that is basically just like the iPad OS with like serious augmentation, but like Whatever it's doing. It's like I still with like windows like I still would like to be able to yeah put things where I want them Like it's really weird to me that I can't close something when I'm done using it like it just sits there I'm like okay, I'm finished taking this note. I no longer need to have the notes app open and it's like what do I have to do? I got to go into the launcher screen and then swipe it away. It's like

That's stupid like just let me close the app. Like, I don't need notes open right now. So, it's like, I don't need it in my selection, right? I don't need to see the note. So, it's like little things like that, but I will say it is, I mean, I still think like, you know, it's still not a computer, for sure. It can do a lot of stuff.

It will not be a computer until it has Xcode and until you can side load apps. And I will stand firm that it is not a computer. It can be a gadget, it can be a device, it can be a computing tablet. But it is not a computer with the full heft of that word until they make it into a computer. I mean, I'm like, you know, I'm fine with most of it, but going from that back to a normal computer felt again, still felt like, you know, an incredible breath of fresh air.

So they're still not all the way there, but I will say it's very encouraging. I want to stop for a piece of breaking news that we've just discovered. That would, I have to stop right here because this breaking news, although won't be breaking news. First off, hold on.

Oh boy. According to a new report, which we're looking at right now, I don't know what APM reports is. American public media, okay. So this is like, apparently there's somebody who got, who had COVID-19 at CES, 2020, in which we were all at attendance. Anything, if anything, we were, we were a wash and humanity

Yeah, how many people and things and surfaces I touched that I normally wouldn't job disgusting I was at the end of I mean I mean they don't show floor listen to this Listen to this in a quitter party with Snoop Dogg while millions of people worldwide will likely have antibody tests that return positive results Webbers outcome this guy's name Michael Weber have antibody tests that return positive results. Webbers outcome, this guy's name, Michael Weber, offers new insight into how the virus may have begun to spread. He was among more than 170,000 people who attended the consumer electronics show between January 7th and 10th in Las Vegas, a four-day event that attracted technology professionals from around the world.

Speculation has been whipping around social media for months of the virus might have incubated during CES and was sprayed worldwide when attendees traveled home. However, we're just fucking nuts. I could not believe CES is ground zero. Dude, I love that we launched a text site immediately went to CES at which the apocalypse started. Dude, I mean, it's literally like, fuck. I mean, and you know that guy who was sick, quote unquote,

how do we know in front of me on the plane? Oh no. Remember that guy who shit his pants? Well, I wasn't on that flight, but I heard about it and I was glad to not be on it. I think were we all in the air at the same time going back? No, I went back the night before. You left early.

I was like, I'm out of here. I left during our team dinner. I was like, fuck this. I got to get home. No, I did. I changed my flight. I was like, I think I can get home a little bit early. I don't want to go to my, okay, in my defense. Nobody was mad at you. We were all just jealous. No, in my defense, I completed the majority of the dinner, but also my flight out was originally like a 5 a.m. flight, so I would have had to like get up at like three in the morning and anyhow, I, whatever. The point is, we were jealous of shit. And you got up from a nibble and it was just like, there he goes, the luckiest thing in the world.

Yeah, the point is, this is an incredible, this is an incredible, incredible fucking situation. What a development. I mean, what a world we live in. What a development. I mean, what a world we live in, what a world. At one moment ago, I was talking about the iPad keyboard. And now I'm talking about how CES 2020 was ground zero for the coronavirus. Well, we don't know if it actually was,

but what I wanna know is, how do we know, how do we know, here's what I wanna figure out, how do we know, how do we know, here's what I want to figure out, how do we know that he had it at CES? It's not clear, hold on. That is interesting. How do they hold on? Yeah, so like if I got tested and it said that I had it, could this new story would be about me?

When a Dr. Phil Michael Weber on Monday with the results was anybody test for the coronavirus, his first word was filled with irony. Congratulations, he had tested positive, meaning the 49 year old who divides this time between Texas and France have been infected Michael Weber on Monday with the results was anybody to test for the coronavirus. His first word was filled with irony. Congratulations. He had tested positive. I mean, the 49-year-old who divides his time between Texas and France had been infected with the virus and recovered. I don't understand.

They're just saying that somebody who is at CES had it, but they're not saying he had it at CES. Is it because I'm trying to get through this story, but is it because he remembers having symptoms at the time? This is very unclear. This is very unclear. Multiple conference attendees who seriously became ill in the days after CES, I mean, that was last.

Three of them are still waiting for anybody results. I'm very confused about this. Like, it just says that he was there. Like, cool, so we're a lot of other people and he had it, but how do we know he was an asymptomatic like three weeks ago? Oh wait here we go. Hold on convinced I have the virus She has to as a jet sitting crab. Okay, hold on a second Weber stopped on why Southern California and finally San Francisco for him

January's a blur of travel dinners and meetings Weber who's also a professor of Texas in Texas, hold on Had the reason of the virus who is a way he might be a heightened risk for exposure at CS He was vigilant when the conference ended he and other attendees began to fan out across the globe. His head felt swollen. His body ached and he stayed awake during the night struggling to breathe. For days, he ran a fever and chieftain under blankets

despite wearing three shirts of hoodie, flannel, pajamas, and socks on a dry air 18. With the worst days of the illness, by name, Weber returned to Twitter. I don't, I know in my brain that I don't have this virus. He wrote, but I spent last week at C.S. with, with my boss, with 170,000 people, many of whom came from China and I got a weird respiratory cold that made us sick

for a week, so my paranoid self is convinced that I have this new killer virus. Okay, so he basically had the symptoms of it. Posi. Now he's testing. Yes, now he's testing positive for anybody's, and he hasn't been sent six cents. So that would line up.

Hold on. I mean, it's not proof, but it's not proof, but it's like if he hasn't been six cents, it's notable. I mean, this is somewhat, I mean, it makes sense. I mean, if fuck you make sense. Yeah. Anyhow, Laura says this is really funny. Well, we've solved it. We cracked the code. If CS was ground zero, it's fucking hilarious. It's also like, in saying, because I haven't been to a CS in a couple of years. So it's like, wow, did I pick the wrong one to return to? If we personally brought coronavirus to New York,

oh my God, because we all got sick in media. Okay, but hold on, yeah, but hold on. Now Evan believes he had coronavirus recently and had all of the symptoms, right? Well, we don't know how long immunity lasts or end its variable. What would you mean we don't know how long immunity lasts? If immunity doesn't last, we're fucking screwed.

No, it doesn't really last. You get, we know for a fact you get a few weeks, but it could be a little longer than that. It could be shorter than that. We have to wait for a vex. I mean, we touch so many things there. Think about how many things we touch while we were at CES. Think about how many like actual devices we handled

and like people's whose hands we shook and like food we shared and stuff. I mean, literally there was trays of food that reporters were just like walking up to and grabbing some with no sneeze guards or anything. I mean, it's, you know, of course. We were in like a pile of bodies at the Twitter party. Like, they, oh yeah, the Twitter party, the Twitter party

was a mess. People were drink sharing drinks. Fuck it. Yeah, people were hugging you now. What the people I never met. Yeah, no, people were drunk off their ass. Oh, wow. Huh.

Wow. Huh. No, but look, this is interesting. They have a tweet from some of their like 10 days back in Atlanta and still coughing. But like Laura, I was talking about this. I had this cough, we were just talking about this that like wouldn't go away.

God, did I have it? My God. And literally, do we not start this podcast with this thing about how everybody say about how like they had it? And it's like, it's like, oh, wait, wait, we fucking had it. We actually had it. I think we brought COVID to the earth.

Don't say that. Don't say that. Look, a lot of people from New York went to fucking CS, okay. We were a very small group. We were amongst the people that like brought this nation to its knees. I mean, it's very sad and upsetting, but I mean, never much in the power of tech bloggers again. I know, what's funny, what's so funny is like, I knew that you heard about the stuff going on in China,

it was like kind of a story, but it wasn't really like a big thing yet. And it didn't even cross my mind. I'm like, wow, there'll be a lot of vendors from China at this thing. Like I talked to, definitely talked to like many companies from China at CES, like, chatted, played with their fucking products.

Remember that the, the arm thing you use, the VR arm thing, everybody was sticking their arms in? Oh yeah, remember all the fucking helmets and headsets we did? Remember the tattoos we had printed on us by tattoo machines that were on it? Oh my God, it's a absolute fucking Petri dish. Just a swirling. Never again. Just so you guys know, if we ever go to CES again, we will not be wearing jumpsuits. We will be wearing bubbles because we will be bubble boys. Dude, I mean, never again.

Next time I go to CES, I'm wearing a mask. I'm wearing gloves. I mean, I, I don't know if there'll be a CES after this to be honest with you. And frankly, fine, that's fine. Let's figure something else out. The last, the last CES was not good. It was very bad. It was a bad CES.

Fuck. Everybody was smoking weed because it's legal there. Yeah. We're all weakening our lungs. Oh sharing terrible We were sharing joy. Sharing drinks. Yeah us insane Fuck wow, well incredible. Anyhow that magic magic keyboard Yeah, I was gonna we were gonna talk about the keyboard and apples making it like a controller to you know Sell with their phones and I magically fired a thousand people, but frankly, all of this bills and comparison to the breaking news that we might have stopped the American

economy. I mean, yeah, like, what can you say? It's like, sure, I mean, other things happen, but now that we know about the CES news, it's changed out. Let's change my whole outlook on life. I got a fuck. All right. Well, let's changed out. Let's change my whole outlook on life. I got a fuck, all right. Well, let's go to nice things. Are we doing nice things?

That's fine. That's fine. We don't need to keep going. Is there anything else? I just want to make sure we cover it. Anything super important that we need to cover. I mean, nothing's so important. Again, magically fired people.

It's not totally unsurprising. Unfortunately, for the people who worked up and very unsurprising, given how poor magically has been doing and how vapor where their product is. So unsurprising situation. And Apple is making that controller and that's very interesting. My prediction that things were gonna get weird in gaming

like the 90s again, coming true. And I for one can't wait to purchase a Atari Jaguar. Same, same, very excited about that. I, I, look, I mean Apple making a controller makes a lot of sense. I mean, they've definitely, look, they have Apple Arcade, it's an actual service.

They've been pushing gaming on the Apple TV and on their devices. It would not be completely surprising to see them. If they gave out a game shell controller that snapped to analog sticks for face buttons and a couple of shoulder buttons, if they gave that out with every iPhone, they would kill the Nintendo Switch immediately. Well, I mean, that's a whole different thing, right?

You're saying like a conversion, like a one of those like, you're saying like a little, one of those like shells that snaps a controller. Yeah, I don't see Apple doing that. It's a very ineligant way for them to do gaming. I can't, they haven't been very elegant of late. I don't think so. That's true. That's true, when if they sell Apple TVs

with like Google Stadia controllers, I don't, I don't see how like that's a compelling narrative. I mean, why not? Why not? Because people don't really love their Apple TVs. Let's start there. But also, if you're going to sit down and have a console like experience for $200, you

can get a PS4 with a library of exclusive games, game streaming, and a company that has deep enough pockets and deep enough, a deep enough bench of studios that only make games for them and that they have this built-in infrastructure of online game, like there's just no comparison between Sony and Apple Arcade. And so an Apple TV with shitty graphics and whatever controller that's another purchase,

I don't see that happening. But I do think that if they said, hey, if you buy an iPad, if you buy a phone, you also kind of get an intender switch, people, I mean, stardew valley is like not an insignificant amount of people. Right. And I think you could convert a lot of people over

to stardew valley from animal crossing. And Apple might would walk in with a much better narrative and a much better story to tell parents shopping for Christmas than currently Google Stadia has. Like people can imagine what that is. People like playing mobile games. And if Apple was like, hey, just like you have a compass in there, just like you have a map in there, just like you have a camera in there, it's just like you have a map in there, just like you have a camera in there, just like you have, you know,

you have a, what else is in the phone, a wallet, you have a, your plane ticket, it's all on your phone. Guess what? You also get this little controller and it costs us two dollars to make it. And now we all own all of mobile gaming. I mean, yeah, that's pretty, I'm not saying it's gonna happen,

but it is definitely an interesting idea and it does speak to the fact that like, listen, nobody's sitting prettier than Nintendo right now, like Nintendo seven, a great year, like they're going into the fall with exclusive games with a huge install base and they can just market their titles. When their competitors like Sony and Xbox, basically have to convince you to buy a whole new console and a game. Like Nintendo is sitting very pretty, but it could all be upended because the mobile market is as like crazy as it is. So anyway, let's move on tonight. Let's do nice things. Let's just do it.

Go ahead. I dare you. I dare you to find a nice thing. Speaking of gaming, I bought a PVM, which is a professional video monitor, which is like a CRT display that is like a newsroom. Yes, it's like standard professional. You could do color matching with it.

The phosphors within the display itself are really high quality. And it's like, oh, it's looking with it. The phosphors within the display itself are really high quality. And it's like, oh, it's looking at it. It looks better to me than like, like there's some quality that it has. Like there's like a brightness to it and like a richness to the color that it just doesn't compare when you play like, you know,

than NES mini classic or whatever. Like it doesn't compare. Right. Um, it's tiny. It's like a 10 inch screen or something, right? Yeah. I mean, you can get them a little bit larger. They get very expensive, very fast, obviously, and they don't produce these

tubes anymore. So there are only a limited number of them in the world and they don't make them. Yeah. Um, but you can get like an eight inch screen, which sounds like comical. But if you stick it on a desk and you put like a game next to it, um, anyway, it's for retro gaming and, um, boy, it's amazing. It is like gorgeous. And, you know, you, you really can see that with true fidelity, like the artwork that went into sprites and pixel art and that went into a whole history, um, that is being lost and that we only, we don't get to see, you can go see the Mona Lisa

and it looks, I mean, it's been restored and it has to be behind glass and stuff, but it looks generally how it looked. Right. This art form is disappearing. And obviously I'm very passionate about game preservation and old school retro gaming, but it is very interesting that I have had a gaming experience

this week that probably no one, very few people within a mile radius could do and that most people would never have accessible to them. So it's cool and it's giving me a new appreciation for the amount of work that went into making those kind of like experiences possible. And right, right. Yeah, I think that was the only nice thing that's ever happened to me. I mean, it is cool. I mean, I do respect it. I saw, you showed it on our Zoom call the other day and I was very into it, I have to say. I kind of always wanted one of those, but it's like so impractical.

But like, you truly use it like one time and every once in a while and it's hundreds of dollars. So like, I wouldn't recommend anyone to write out. Right. I mean, I'm a big fan of small monitors. Like, when I was at Bloomberg, they did discontinue these monitors that were like these, um, small panel. I think there were 12 inch, maybe 10 inch panels. And you could get them in like a raise of four panels. So you could snap like different data sets into each panel.

And I like, I like made the IT people like dig them out of storage and also one of the old school Bloomberg keyboards when I was there because I wanted like the old school like the like they classic not like old old Bloomberg setup but like the kind of classic Bloomberg setup which looks completely insane like it makes no sense. It's like for somebody. it's like for somebody who doesn't know how Windows work on a computer. Basically, which makes a lot of sense considering like, what I know about Mike Bloomberg. Like, it's like, oh yeah, we need, we'll need another monitor to put the other window thing there. And it's like, yeah, you could just make a square with the window, but it's fine.

Just, just put the monitor up. Also, when you have an unlimited budget to solve problems like that, where you're just, I don't know, throw another monitor on it. Just put a fucking screen. Very apolita. So my nice thing is we got a new dog. And I haven't really talked about the dog a lot. I think I might have talked about her a little bit. We got a new dog named Ginger. She's a two-year-old Chihuahua. She was a rescue. And I was like, I love Penny with all my heart, but she was a very bad dog who was cruel and unusual. She just, we trained her poorly, but she also had a very poor temperament. Not, couldn't socialize with other dogs, didn't really like Zelda. I mean, like Zelda, but it was sort of like wasn't a big fan. And so, you know, we,

we had talked for a while about getting another dog. We had looked at some, some potential dogs. We talked about getting a cat. We saw ginger. We, we had a very weird situation where we, you know, went through all this stuff virtually to get ginger, or to least be a to apply to possibly adopt ginger. And then we met with the person who'd been fostering ginger. We had to do like a six foot distance thing where we could see the dog, but we all were all wearing gloves and masks and they wanted the whole family there. It was really awkward, just like such a weird time to be doing it. And we ended up taking her home and she is just the sweetest, most loving, most wonderfully behaved, just great dog,

like a wonderful dog. She's kind, she's playful, she's affectionate, she's like really into getting under the sheets in any situation, under any blanket, any sheet, anywhere, she loves to like curl up and be like covered up and stuff. And like she's just super, I have to say, at a moment where things feel really bad sometimes, having a new companion, a new dog companion has been really good. Even just taking her for walks,

even just needing to go like, hey, we're gonna go for a walk and like having a reason to go outside has been really good. And so yeah, so my nice thing is we got a new member of the family, her name is Ginger. She's wonderful. I posted some, I think I put something on Twitter and I put something on Instagram the other day.

She's a big fan of like getting onto like my lap while I'm working and like curling up. But I've been like, that's just when you're on a Zoom call and she's like, she's like, I have some things to say. Yeah. No, she's very, she's very, got a big personality and she's like, really like, you can kind of hear like, you kind of can like see her thoughts. She's very attentive and thoughtful and pays attention to stuff and anyhow, but like it's interesting because

we haven't had a dog. I mean we had Penny for a long time, you know, she was like 14 years old, almost 14. And you know, I got so used to how Penny is, it's like we're to have a new dog that has a totally different personality. And it's been been great It's been great for everybody. It's we've all been really enjoying hanging out with her and learning about her personality And you know, it's wild to think like one day we didn't have a dog and then the next day we had one and now like we you know She'll be with us until she's dead which could be a long time from now could be it you know hopefully will be Decades, you know probably will be over a decade. I hope and so could be, hopefully, will be decades. Probably will be over a decade, I hope. And so, you know, so it'll be like a teen,

should be like driving when this dog is old. And that's not. Yeah. So yeah, that's my nice thing. And so I've got it. Bye. Bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow.

And as always, I wish you and your family the very best. And I've just been told actually that your family, they've all found great new hobbies and they're going all in on them. So that's great news and I can't wait to see what comes out of that work.