Tomorrow - 198: A Bucking Bronco

Episode Date: July 17, 2020

This week is actually quite a light-hearted episode from Josh and Ryan, if you can believe it. There's some musings about the new Ford Bronco, some discussion of creepy superpowers, hot takes about Twitter's meltdown, and threats of violence! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to Tomorrow. I'm your host Josh Wittipolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss Squirrel Girl, Murders, and Off-Roting. I don't always one minute. Let's get right into it. Well, we did it. We made it to the next show. She's very excited. It's really difficult because we see two exists when the show isn't recording. Just so everybody knows. Yeah, I mean, people don't realize this,

but I just sit in a dark room and a chair and sob for all the days in between. With relief because I don't have to record a podcast. Like that. God, Tony, the pressure is off. Tony, he got what he wanted, and now I can rest easy. Oh man, I'll tell you, I'll tell you buddy, it's quite a world we're living in.

Quite a time we're living in. I don't know if you've seen what's going on out there. The days start coming and they don't stop coming as a wise man once said. I think the Lyark is actually the years. What's the difference with this one? That's true. It's true.

I like how I'm a smashmouth Lyricle expert. I'm actually, excuse me, but in their seminal 2000 release, I don't know actually when that song was released. It is probably way later than 2000 you answered the call reciting Beatles lyrics and now we've moved on to smash not so I mean it's fitting you know the taste jumped out they've got a lot in common they're uh you know the most important bands of their generation anyhow there's a lot going on this is a big week is a crazy week for news I mean I can't keep track of it all.

What should we start with? Should we talk about the great Twitter hack of 2020, the greatest Twitter insurrection ever? Just an injustice. These filthy unverified thoughts they were to con-talk shit and run around and throw a little party without us. So here's what happened. So last night, well, this is, we're recording this on Thursday.

You'll probably listen to it on Friday. Wednesday night, a bunch of a camp major Twitter accounts started tweeting stuff that was like, I'm doing a Bitcoin bingo or something like that. You know, and it's like had a link to some weird Bitcoin scam. And the first one I saw was Bill Gates. Bill Gates has like 51 million followers on Twitter. And I was like, oh shit, like Bill Gates got hacked.

And then it was like, oh, Elon Musk got hacked. And then it was like Kanye got hacked. And then it was like Joe Biden got hacked. And then it was literally like every major account except it did not get Trump, which you know raises some questions for sure. But so here's the crazy thing is that all of these big accounts got hacked and people were posting these messages,

like these Bitcoin scam messages. But what's really crazy to me is that Twitter's way that they handled it was they stopped every person who has a verified account, a blue check mark, that they handled it was they stopped every person who has a verified account, a blue check mark, from being able to post on Twitter, for like a couple of hours. And you see news had to make an alt account. Yeah, and like, and like, so this is the crazy part.

So that meant that every major news source couldn't post. It meant that every politician, in at least certainly in America, but obviously many around the world couldn't tweet, it meant that there are services. In fact, people were talking about this in Kansas or somewhere there was a tornado warning, and there's the, like, their weather service was like posting updates on the tornado warning, and it was verified, and so that thing couldn't post. So if you were on, if you were using Twitter

for some reason, like, to get information, which why are you doing that? But, I mean, it is, I mean, Twitter at its best is actually this amazing real-time information machine at its best, right? And that's a very, usually a very short utility and short window of time, but for something like a tornado warning, you know, Twitter is actually quite useful. And so anyhow, it just raises this like insane question.

So the first thing is like, obviously, you know, we're still unraveling what happened. Vice has a motherboard that are really good. They got some inside, an inside sort of line on what happened. It apparently involved a Twitter employee or maybe multiple Twitter employees who were I guess like paid off to have some access to their like console granted to them. But like what's crazy is that apparently Twitter employees have some access to accounts where they can post, like, take them over and post on them. Like, they basically have like a God mode.

Yeah, which like, I guess they can just do whatever they want, which seems like a very bad idea. Very bad plan. It seems like I don't know what the state of like DMs are. Are they encrypted? Like, can they read people's, can they just get into people's DMs? Twitter's security at the moment seems to be as strong as their weakest willed employee. Yeah, which is nuts.

So there's this coordinated attack using an inside person, but what's really crazy and, I'd say scary if I thought the most important thing in the world was that Twitter exists. But what's sort of insane is, that's the only thing they could do to stop this was to turn off Twitter for half of its users or something. I mean, it's not half. Maybe it's called 10% of its users, 20%. That's not a good solution. That's like, let's like, I see a virus on my computer, like a thing pops up and it's like,

via a grow, like I'm like, hey, I didn't click on this. And like, instead of like me trying to like remove the virus, I just turn off my computer. You know, I mean, I am plugged by keyboard for the computer. I'm like, well, I don't, I'm just gonna have to let this play out, you know? I mean, I am plugged by keyboard for the computer. I'm like, well, I don't I just gonna have to let this play out, you know, I mean

It's funny because like Twitter used to be I don't know how many Tony I don't know how old you are, but Twitter used to be just constantly down. It just never worked Yeah, the fail way for like five years Twitter didn't work and it's a nicer reminder that like for all Twitter Is acting like it has graduated and it's a nice reminder that for all Twitter is acting like it has graduated and it's a big boy company. And they're like the place of record and the center of all conversation. It still is duct tape together and does not work. Because no functioning service that's well designed and has a clean back end and a clear reporting structure within their corporation has to like shut the entire thing down. It's so embarrassing for them, but it's also very

concerning because we have outsourced basically our news reporting and public communication and and like public communication and like, media discussion really has been completely outsourced to this private company that is an accountable to anybody and whose like security standards are completely whatever they decide that they are. And that's concerning because like, something like this would never happen with email or RSS, you know, because it's like a centralized thing

to sell ads. Right. No, it's like a centralized thing to sell ads. Right. No, it's really crazy. I mean, yeah, I mean, I just don't, you know, I just think Twitter has to reckon with now like, like, serious. They have to really look at like their entire ecosystem and figure out how to like start from a completely different place. You know, like I think that they're the questions of this raises and also like honestly raised

questions about our, you know, our, our reliance on things like Twitter. I mean, I've said for a long time, like Twitter in many ways, like, honestly, would be best as like a public utility. You know, this concept of a real time, you know, information network is like very useful. But Jack has flirted with and talked about like decentralized Twitter or like, you know, open Twitter. And if that had been the idea from the beginning, I think we'd be living in a very different society. Like, you know, that meme where it's like a space age picture and they're like, you know, like society

if verified could never tweet again. But I actually do think we'd be living in like a better state of things if we had some level of, like, if this was some kind of decentralized service because it's less vulnerable to hacks. It's also less, it would incentivize people to create tools similar to like email spam collection. Like email is pretty good for all things considered of like if you're able to describe

to you how email work, to be like that'd be so easy to game. But for the most part, email, my Gmail works reliably. And I think that's because like each company has, there's competition and each company is incentivized to like create a better experience, but Twitter is just incentivized to like get advertisers to value it. Or investors to value it. Well, the incentives are, yeah, I mean, it's like obviously, I mean, of course, anything that's ad driven, the incentives, there's always like, especially social media, I mean, there's always like, it's not, I mean, but Twitter doesn't have a responsibility to be like, here's the product design people who are thinking about like, what I'm talking with ethicists about like, what's the best user experience and how can we have a positive impact on the world like journalism is advertising base

But we have a wall up that says like the ad people are over here right doing their thing and right journalist over here considering what the best Like utility for their readership is yeah, I of course, social networks don't do that. No. I mean, their goal is like maximize views, maximize exposure, maximize proximity to content that is good for the advertiser. I don't think that that's like, I don't believe the Twitter was started with the kind of idea where they were like, we can't wait to like,

turn this into an ad-supported network. You know, I don't. But even if Twitter was a completely private thing, I feel like I'd feel better about it if it was like YouTube where it's like, I mean, somebody tweeted this yesterday but it was like, YouTube is a place where you get popular and they pay you $100,000 a month to post and Twitter is a place where you get popular

and your life is ruined if you keep posting. And like, no, it's true. The people who are, the people, like users of Twitter have no incentive other than like continuing to be popular on Twitter. Mental illness, yeah. Like, like, I mean, like, I'll be honest with you. Like, obviously, like, I post a lot of stuff

from our sites that, you know, content. I'm like, I'm not really like, I mean, there was a period where I was very active on Twitter, I wanted to engage more, and Twitter's gotten so bad and so ugly, and such a messy place to be that now I'm sort of like, yeah, I'll post some stuff I'm interested in, I'll post some political stuff once in a while

if I feel really strongly about it, but I've like greatly reduced my like interest in like what the actual like discourse on Twitter is. And I think Twitter used to feel like a big giant chat room. But now that's slack. And now Twitter just feels like I'm, I do tweet compulsively because I'm, I give a problem.

Yeah. It does feel like sometimes people treat it like they're, they're public press release on every single thing that happens and it's like You know Todd we weren't really looking for your statement on the like I ran situation Like you need like you to post your official opinion And it feels like it's less you it has less of a utility to me now even though I'm still using it compulsively Yeah, no, I mean... Yeah, I mean, look, we're...

I do think journalists and people in the media industry are stuck with Twitter in a way that normal people aren't. Yeah, well, of course. I mean, we're talking to Tony. Tony probably is like, Twitter is not an essential part of Tony's life. Well, I've been like, I really am like, imagine similar to like Slack. Sometimes I talk to normal people and I'm like, well, a Slack and they're like, what is that? And I'm like, oh, it's this giant chat room where we talk shit. I don't know how to explain Slack. Like, but imagine you're a regular person and you don't need to be on Twitter.

Like, why are you there? This is of course the argument I make about the rich people. Like, a bit of magic, you're a regular person, you don't need to be on Twitter, like, why are you there? This is of course the argument I make about the rich people. I'm like, you're JK Rowling, okay? You could do whatever you want with your time. You could be anywhere you want to be. You don't need the fame, Twitter will not bring you more fame. It will not make you more relevant.

Like, maybe people will be like, oh, she called Trump Voldemort or whatever. It's like cool. But like, you know, like, oh, she called Trump Voldemort or whatever. It's like cool But like you know like like literally that's what that was what jk rally's Twitter presence used to be before she Had full into full turf mode. She was like people are always like she's like you know jk rally was like every four days Was like he really is Voldemort. It's like okay great Um and like that's nice if that's what you, how you enjoy using your time. But why? I mean, God damn. If I had like, how rich is JK Rowling?

A billion dollars and then gave some of it away. So she's like, technically not worth a billion dollars. Right. But probably to like murder trans people, charities, right? Wow. I mean, so, okay, so wait. So yeah, anyhow, so it's like, I think of all the, okay, let's say she only has $900 million, $900 million pounds or whatever it is, you know. I just feel like there are so many things in the world, so many wonderful things to experience. Like there's no way that she's done all of them

and now the only thing that she can experience is like writing, like responding to trolls on Twitter. You know, is it, is that possible? I think at a certain point you get, you get a little bit, like it's a public platform. She probably can't have normal conversations with regular people and she can't engage with like the public discussion the way that any of us can. So she probably is like compulsively doing it. Like it's

feeding some sort of psychological need that she doesn't get from like day to day interactions with other people. But I do think that like you have that amount of money, it looks like find another solution. You want to get like into games dreaming or maybe you take a walk or maybe we become a YouTuber who does bread recipes. But posting your opinion on every single thing ever just waiting for someone to be upset by it if you're not being paid to do that seems like a very bad idea.

All of Twitter seems like a bad idea, especially in the wake of this hack. It's like, I don't know. Like, probably not great that the like, president of the United States is main vector for communicating information as this private company with like completely arbitrary security standards that someone could have just wrote like, you know,

kill North Koreans on Trump's feed and no other hack and then been really like, you know, sneaky about it and it would have taken a long time for us to be able to prove that Trump wasn't intending to like start World War III, you know. You know, is Twitter a necessity? I don't know. I think we've come to rely on it for certain things.

Uh, and I don't know, I'd be like given this hack, which was like, so, it seems like so easy to pull off, and so complete in its like destructive nature. And so like hard to stop that they had to basically turn off a whole part of the fucking website. Feels like Twitter needs to take a long hard look. At what's going on over there? I don't know, it feels like it's just like the whole platform is just built on like, you know, it's like a nest.

I mean, have you ever seen a nest made by a bird? I mean, I mean, it's a great analogy since it's called Twitter. But like, you know, nest are made like, birds will put all kinds of fucked up shit in a nest. Like, it'll be like, you know, some twigs and some leaves. And then they'll be like, you know, maybe like a bottle cap. And, you know, some, just like,

it kind of feels like that's what how Twitter was built. You know, like bits of things stuck together. And then they're like, we need to squeeze gifts in there. Yeah. And now we're gonna, you know, create some kind of lists. Like, we don't have an edit button. I'm guessing it's like, because they just can't, you know, they're like, you can't. But we would have to unglue all this stuff and we have a hot glue gun. So we're like, the thing to put the edit button in is underneath the bottle cap that

we stuffed into the nest. And so we we're really gonna have to just not do anything with that. Anyhow, so yeah, so Twitter, so then, so look, I mean, after a couple of hours, they seem to get it under control, which is fine. And, you know, I'm happy for them. But it's still like, it was a very strange thing

to watch, just mainly because it just made it so clear how vulnerable these systems are. Just how insanely vulnerable. Mainly because we're like hurtling towards an election, like in probably the villain of which has centralized Twitter and using this private company more than probably has ever been done in American history for any public communication service or like outlet of any kind. And so that's unsettling that like Twitter security is super easy to socially engineer

your way into. Yeah, I mean, it's sort of like, I don't know. I mean, on the one hand, I was like, oh, man, I hope Trump gets hacked. But then it's like, well, do I? You know, because it just is further proof. I mean, so what's going on with Trump's account? Like, either these people purposely avoided it, which raises questions. Or I think, yeah, I think because the legal implications

of that are very different than they are of hacking Elon Musk. I mean, I guess so. Like if you were to get caught hacking the president's Twitter feed, I feel like you're gonna get a little more heat on you than even like a presidential candidate. Right.

Yeah, I guess so. I don't really know. I mean, I don't really know. Do the president's Twitter account considered like legally something special? I mean, it does have special illegal considerations for things like he can't block American citizens because he's, you know, preventing them

from seeing public communication. Right. From their like public legal representative. So, right. I don't know if other, but I don't think, I think, you know, it doesn't necessarily need to be that the law is written differently. It's that like, it is enforced differently when you have like the secret service and CIA and FBI at your disposal.

Right. Things are a little different. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's true. But you know what you can't get under control. I you feel like you're going to tell me a buck in Bronco. Oh, yeah. Well, this is a big one this week. The the Bronco, the new 2021 Bronco was unveiled.

There have been a ton of leaks around it. And for those who don't know, it's funny because my dad asked about it last night we talked on the phone, and he's not like a car guy really. And I think they did a really good job of making it a thing. People seem like everybody seem to be talking about it. But the thing about the Bronco is that the old Broncos have become very valuable and very collectible and they're very iconic. They're like a very, very iconic type of truck. It's like a classic American truck.

And they're really distinct looking. I mean, the original Broncos, I mean, the old Broncos, like, I hate it because I love old Broncos and I've always loved old Broncos and now everybody does. Yeah, well, I mean now everybody does and I think what's interesting, like here's like what I find interesting about the whole thing is that I feel in the wake of Tesla more auto companies are starting to release the concept car. Like, I, I, I, I, which is like, I think that I've always been super confused about when it comes to the automotive industry,

which is like, they're always like, they show these concept cars at car shows, and you're like, wow, like, that's so awesome looking. I want to buy that, and then they release a car like a few years later that is like a garbage, watered down, lame, boring version of that vehicle. And it's like, I feel like they've started to figure out that people don't want like a regular,

like they want like, there's a certain segment of the audience that wants the concept. And I think the new Bronco is like full concept. It's crazy, right? It's like you can detach the doors, you can detach the roof, it has all these interchangeable parts. The styling is super weird, like extremely unique.

It truly looks like no other truck that is on the market right now. It has a ton of different trim levels that are all mapped to what you're gonna do with the truck. And so it's like pretty wild then. So okay, but obviously, so this truck comes out, people like, wow, this thing is really awesome.

Then there's everybody's kind of like, well, what the fuck, why didn't they do an electric version of this? Why didn't they do a hybrid version of this? Cause like they definitely are. These definitely are like kind of gas guzzlers. You know, I mean, they're definitely like, these are not trucks that are trying to be not big gas guzzling trucks.

Like they are like, they're very American in that regard. And so, so then anyhow, we stumbled upon some user interface stuff that was floating around the internet that we did a little digging on and we found a huge amount of UI videos and pictures from the touch screen inside of the Bronco. These are like, these are like, as far as we know right now, like these graphics are the graphics they're using in the car.

They actually show some of them in one of the, in one of the official Ford videos. So really fucking awesome, very new Morphic, very much like Jack Roth, this piece for us a few weeks ago, about new Morphic design in the new Mac OS. And it's really, really prevalent in this design. For the Bronco, it's very distinct. It's really cool looking

but in that design it also shows it makes mention of and shows graphics for this thing called what it's called it's called EV training EV coaching EV coaching which is what Ford uses in other cars that have hybrid models for it's like how well it's handling like the hybrid engine, the electric part of the engine, or whatever, how well it's doing with like the, I guess, the myelage of it. So anyhow, so they have it in these videos that we have now on the site in a post,

where you can see all of this interface stuff. And also you can see that it appears like they're kind of confirming. They had mentioned, the CEO Ford had mentioned that there would be a hybrid version of the Bronco coming. And now it looks like based on the graphics that we found, it actually is real.

And that's really fucking cool. I think it makes this way more attractive like to me personally like now that I have an electric car like I don't I mean I put like a reserve on one of these just because I'm like well you know like in a year from now maybe I'll want a Bronco but like if there's an EV version or a hybrid version, I mean, that's just like game over. I mean, if they did a full electric of this, like, I would 100% that would be my next car. Yeah, that would be my holy grail for buying a car.

That would be, and I would be like, I need a car. And like, why not do it? Like, why not? Can they not do it? Like, can they, will an electric? I think there's definitely engineering struggles when you have that unique of a car, trying to do that unique, that many unique things. Yeah, all the off-road features and stuff.

I don't know how much of it they could accomplish. I mean, they interchangeable doors, a lot of the stuff. I mean, EVs have to hide a lot of battery power, right? Like, they have to stuff it in a bunch of places. And the other thing is, yeah. And if you're trying to keep the price, it's somewhere near sanity. You've, I mean, it's the triangle of like quality, how fast you can do it and price. And I don't think that you're able to pull all of those off for an EV that ambitious just yet. But I do

think a hybrid is a great way to start. And it means that in a few years, when, you know, if the car becomes popular and like it comes to scale and the price for EV stuff and some innovations happen, it means like it is in the cards and that's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think it's a really cool, like I'm, I think it's a really cool looking truck. It looks like something from like a sci-fi video game.

I'm excited that I feel like it's more realistic than a cyber truck. It's a real thing you would want in your life. Yeah, it looks a lot like the old Bronco. That's a good thing. The old Bronco was really fucking cool looking. And there's a reason why they've become so valuable. But you know, it also looks like a modern vehicle.

Like it is somewhat reminiscent of the stuff that like a long time, maybe in 1999, I wanna say like, Ford did this stuff where they did like a new version of the Thunderbird. And it was like, it was like a super modern version of the Thunderbird, but it kind of looked like the old Thunderbird too. I mean, I thought those were interesting.

I think they were like really ambitious. I think they were ahead of their time in some way. I don't believe they did very well as far as, you know, like sales goes. They also, there was also this, it was no Mustang. There was also the Chevy truck. What is the name? I feel like I was just talking about it in our aditorious room recently. Oh, the SSR, the Chevy SSR, which is a crazy, there's actually one in my neighborhood

that I see every, every so often. It's like a, it looks like an old-style pickup truck, like the kind that had the rounded hood and stuff, but it also looks like a weird future car. And it's pretty cool, I'm kind of into it, but I feel like in many ways, the Bronco is a better version of this concept which is like, let's take something that's really old and

Re-contextualize it and bring it into like the now and really make it like Reference directly the great Broncos of yesteryear But or the great cars of yesteryear, but also be something completely Original and something completely sort of unique. And so I think anyhow, I feel like I'm like sitting here gushing over the Bronco and like in many ways, like it is the kind of car that when I was younger, when SUVs were becoming a thing, I was like, fuck these stupid trucks, fuck SUVs,

like this is such a gross, like, it's such a gross, like they're so like, bad for the environment and they take up like a huge amount of the road and they're so bad for the environment, and they take up a huge amount of the road, and they're sort of like, and all that stuff is still true. I do think we don't all need trucks. I think we live as if we all need trucks,

but we don't, and I do think increasingly, I would love to see, but here's the reality. These are okay if we start doing making like, hybrid and electric versions of them. Like, like, what's horrible about trucks is they get terrible gas mileage, and most people don't really need a massive vehicle because they're not actually off-roading.

But if you suddenly take away at least like, the implications, like the negative implications in terms of their carbon footprint, it does become a little bit less like, of a, of a, does become a little bit less of a, it becomes a little bit less of a struggle to consider purchasing one, or at least you want it, or whatever. I think it's just like,

there's something kind of gross about it, but I think we're also in a time when people have pulled back pretty hard from making these big gestures, these big macho gestures. I also, I don't know, I think the nostalgia is pretty rich with this one. Like it, it, it really,

That's what worries me though, is that I think we might be hurtling towards an EV PT cruiser and that will be the end of my day. Well, I don't think the PT cruiser is, I don't think that's due for any, actually who knows, I mean, who knows this 2000's cultures coming 2000s culture's coming back.

They're trying to all cling onto their most iconic brands. The PT Cruiser is a hers. Yeah, I don't, it's hilarious. It's a hilarious car. I don't know if they're gonna bring that back. I hope they don't, honestly. But anyhow, so the Bronco, the interesting stuff going on. What? I miss definitely unsafe, but do you remember I hope they don't, honestly. But anyhow, so the broad goal, interesting stuff going on, what?

I miss definitely unsafe, but do you remember when they would make station wagons and then there was extra seats in the trunk that would face backwards? Yes, there's a name for those seats. Super not safe, definitely safe. Well, no, dude, the Tesla has that. The Model S, when I first looked at it,

they're like, oh yeah, we have this optional thing where you remove like, it's like you remove like the trunk. And instead of having a trunk, it has two seats for kids that face out the back of the car. And how could that, what? It's apparently very safe. They claim, yeah, hold on, like, if you, let me just like, I'm just gonna Google this real hard.

Like, I mean, that safe. Model S, back seating, hold on, kids. It just doesn't feel like it could ever be safe. Yeah, buy a center sheet test. Okay, hold on. Yeah, here it is. This is, yeah, rear-facing seats. Suitable only for kids.

Consumer Reports wrote about in 2013. Only for kids. Yeah, it's not. Like it seems really not safe. Yeah. I mean, they're literally like they put seats in the trunk. I mean, I don't know any other way to describe it. I mean, it gives me flashbacks to like when I would go

to Florida and my cousins would get in like the back bed of a pickup and I was like, no, don't do that. Yeah, now here, look, I'm gonna send you a picture here. Oh no. One second, one second, where's our chat room? I don't know if this is a work. Did that work? Yeah, it's really crazy. I don't know, it is a work. Did that work? Yeah. It's really crazy.

I don't know. That doesn't seem right to me. Doesn't seem right to me personally. Yeah, no. That looks to me like you're about to launch that kid into space. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, but I guess if it's approved by the,

whatever agency needs to be approved by, apparently like, I don't know, I'm seeing now, I'm looking at stories. Apparently, there's a lot of something called the cops and somebody for putting kids in the back seat and they came and they're like, no, this is a little legal thing that we do.

Yeah, I don't know. It is like they're really like, they're like, hidden where the glasses and stuff. It's like, to me, it's like putting a kid ahead of you on at the front of the car. That feels weird, you know? But I guess most accidents happen like at the front, right?

Yeah, I think most accidents, like the least safe seat in the car is the passenger seat, right? Like it's not the back seat, the rear seats, it's not the like apparently trunk seats, it's not the driver seat, it's that passenger seat that has like so many airbags attached to it because of that. Yeah, that's why I always put my enemies in the passenger seat. I'm like Ryan, why don't you ride shotgun anyhow. Alright, what else is going on? What else happened this week? I think there's other stuff I'm not even thinking of right now.

Well, everything is cake. Oh, right, the cake thing. The cake thing. I get it. People love surprise. There's a thing, if you're not aware, if you're not on the internet, and frankly, Tony. God bless.

I know you're on the internet. You're just like JK Rowling, you can't stop posting. Yeah, there's this thing, this is a hot trend, which I feel like I've seen for a long time, but somehow during lockdown, these last few months, it's just gotten, it's really picked up steam. And now there have been these videos that have been going around. I think one is a tasty video, and then people are leveling up.

And it's like, these are all cakes, and it's like things that are so disgusting to think of as cake, like oysters. There's one that's like oysters, and they're like shiny. Poor uncooked chicken. Yeah, uncooked chicken. It's like, I'm, I know they all taste like shit.

I know it. It's like, if the cake tastes bad, then. But they're all fondant. Yeah, exactly. If the cake tastes bad It doesn't matter if it's cake wait, I'm sorry hold on what Have you seen this kind of a caval thing? Yes, I've been tweeting about it and I posted it in our slack I just fucking why Henry Caval is building a PC.

Why? Why is- It's like a third-sector, the day. Does he even like know anything about building a PC? He's like so muscular. Sorry, I got, I got sidetracked during our podcast here because I saw that Henry Cavill was trending. I just glanced at Twitter in the background and I'm like, oh boy, what's happening?

Is something like Snyder Cut news? And Henry Cavill's building a PC. Yeah. For, he's in a tank top. He's in a tank top and he's like really like beef cakey. I mean, Henry Cavill's obviously very beef cakey. I feel like he's like more muscular than usual. I don't know how that's possible.

Like, he seems more muscular than he normally is. He's probably got nothing to do all day. Actually, maybe he's just getting a little chunky, I can't tell. I don't know, I like it either way. Which is fine, which is fine. Either way, I mean, he looks good. He looks huge though.

Like a very large man. I don't know how big Henry Caval is. Like, I'm gonna find out he's actually like five, five or something. But, yeah, here's the video. What is this for me? Well, it's a lot of it. He's reading instructions. This like goes into the evening. He built like a gaming rig. Oh, shit, man. Thanks, celebrities. Fucking celebrities, man. man celebrities during lockdown just losing it just losing it.

Somebody's like we should talk to Henry Cavill about doing something completely stupid too. I feel like Henry Cavill, Henry Cavill, migrate state from an iPhone to an Android phone. It's like D.A.D. Do you wanna like, do you to review a electric scooter for us? Do you want to review an e-bike? What is he doing in a hotel?

Like where is this taking place? No, it's probably in like his like weird, like you know how every celebrity is quarantining and like a cottage. Yeah, he's definitely gonna cottage. He's British, right? I think so. Right.

He's some kind of UK. Yeah, he's like in, he's like on an island He's British, right? I think so. Right. He's some kind of UK. Yeah, he's like in, he's like on an island somewhere like in off the coast of Wales. Wales is an island, I believe, isn't it? No. It's not. Hey, Google is Wales and Ireland. Pretty sure it is. We're so dumb.

Oh, no, it's just a little wedge. It's just a little wedge. I don't know if it's about. I don't know nothing about. Well, if anyone, if anyone, if any of the Brexiters listening to this are mad, I'm looking, I'm looking at the map right now. I'm looking at the map right now. I mean, it's it's on the coast. It's a coastal area. I can tell you that. Yeah. I watched any of it. And then Stacy, I know things. And then I read, there is an island, there is an island here,

and that's probably where Henry Cavill is. Okay. So anyhow, like, yeah, we should definitely get him to like, you know, choke me out. Wow. No, but I was gonna say what's interesting about it is just the unbridled eroticism that's being thrown around here concerning Henry Cowell.

People are like, all of the memes are like, people are like, they're just really, really highly sexual memes. Like men, women, everybody all across the gender spectrum and the sexual orientation spectrum, people are like, just put your cock at me. Like just everybody everywhere of every persuasion. We've all been locked up for so long. We're just like, yeah, we found the one unifying like conservatives, liberals, you know,

Marxists, like the one, it's like Diet Coke. It's like that brings everyone together. We're just like, solderist, like the one, it's like Diet Coke. It's like, it brings everyone together. We're just like, Sotter us, big, big. Sexual Diet Coke is how I think of Henry Cavill. As you know, I can play. I say that about Diet Coke because Kellyanne Conway, I know if you remember, I'm sure you remember,

and the early days of the online, we did a great story. Diet Coke is not killing you and Kellyanne Conway tweeted it and I was like, wow, this is great and horrible. It's like, you made a wish on a cursed monkey's paw. That's from one famous which share the link. I was just talking about,

I was just talking about this with Laura, we were talking about the, you know, it's like the wishes, it's like the Twilight Zone wishes that are always like, you're like, I wish I had a billion dollars and it's like, you know, everyone you know dies and you leave a billion dollars. You're like buried with a billion dollars or like,

you know, the dollars like, like the dollars are like, from a, they're like, dollars from like a board game and you're like, you know, like, they're like dollars from like a board game and you're like, they're sand dollars. Yeah, exactly. It's just some twist. You know, you're like, ah, I mean, have you been watching the new Twilight Zone? The second one? No, we watched, we watched some of it. We watched it the first season. I didn't watch, we didn't finish it. I was very uneven. It was very uneven, the first. Very uneven. And there's a lot of money being thrown at things

that I'm like, if you had spent like 20 minutes, maybe like take a lap, take a quick shower, brainstorm for 20 minutes, you could have come up with something slightly better. You know what I mean? Like they're all very undercooked. And it's sad because I love Jordan Peele and some of the actors involved are incredible.

Yeah. But it's, listen, it's on CBS All Access, but it's no the good fight. Let's put it that way. I don't watch that. I know you don't. I watched the good wife until all those characters I like died and then I was like, nope.

I'm out. Oh, hey, what is this controversy? Speaking of Henry Cavill, what is this Army Hammer controversy? He's like doing sex past stuff in the DMs. Do you know about this one? No. Yeah.

I don't know. I think. I heard that him and his wife broke up because of Black Lives Matter, but maybe that was a cover story. What does that mean? Because of it. I mean, he's like against it.

Like, no, he was very pro on very cool. You think he was married to somebody. You think he was married to somebody, you think he was married to somebody who was like, I'm a good black person. That was the rumor. And the same rumor went around about Kelly Clarkson. I feel like Army Hammer and Henry Cavill are like fairly interchangeable.

See, that's how I know you're straight. Um, well, I mean, they have like, no, I mean, okay. They're beefcake Kimbos. Yeah, there's another guy, there's another guy. There's another guy, the guy from Fiti Shade's Agree who is even more interchangeable with Henry Cavill. What is it? Yes, totally.

I, you can't even remember because he might as well. I think Gray. No, that's not his name. His name is, it's something like, wait, don't tell me. Wait, him and Dakota Johnson had like a feud going on for years. Yes, yes, it's 50 shades of gray starting. Dakota Johnson and Henry Cavill.

Uh, Jamie and Christian. No, it's something like, he was also a murderer in a show with Jillian Anderson. Jamie, Jamie, Jamie Dornan. Dornan. Jamie Dornan is the guy. Jamie Dornan, Army Hammer and Henry Cavill walk into a bar. And everybody has sex with them. Everybody says, triplets of Belleville.

I mean, this is great. And that is sort of like, it's like how Katie Perry and Zoe De Chanel like bought the same head. Wow. Yeah, I see it. I get it. I was just thinking about how like, I think Terry Cruz, who I believe has been canceled for like having really bad opinions.

Yeah. But Terry Cruz I think is like into mechanical keyboards. Like, I'm fairly certain he's like a mechanical keyboards. Celebrities are a lot nerder than... They're just like us. They're just like us. They are just like us. lot merrier than they're just like us. They are just like us. Us was right. They're just like us.

I wonder who, which celebrity is collecting video game hardware like me? It's Tom Holland and I bond over the game.com. Yeah, dude. If I can Terry Cruz, wait, is he into mechanical keyboards? Wait, he also did a, wait, hold on. Oh, you're in mechanical keyboards, name five of their letters. I know, so me did a thread,

Terry Cruz is mechanical keyboards, which is really good, but I think that he's also into them. Unless, maybe I just saw this thread. I don't know, it doesn't Tom Hanks collect typewriters? Yes, he does actually That's a pretentious version of being into more pretentious version of being into keywords. I thought it definitely is I thought he really Why are the hymns invading our space?

I was supposed to be if that was supposed to be something I could do for them. And now they're doing it themselves. I know. Yeah, he was building a big gaming PC here. He even did Hashtag PC Master Race, which is like crazy. I find the term, I find the whole concept of PC Master Race to be really bad. Do you think they're getting paid by Intel? Yeah, I mean, maybe, although I would have to say here,

I mean, I feel like, maybe they're just nerds. Everybody likes VR. I feel like Terry Cruz is legitimately into this stuff. I don't know why, anyhow, it's sad because he's been canceled for, he's like against Black Lives Matter or something. I don't know the, anyhow, it's sad because he's been canceled for, he's like against Black Lives Matter or something. I don't know the whole deal. He always has opinions that are like a little askew.

You're like, oh, that's her check. Oh, yeah. Yeah. In any event, Barry Weiss has left the building and Henry Cavill has entered. Oh my God, we're not gonna have to worry about Barry Weiss, are we? No. You want to talk about Christopher Nolan gonna have to bury Y, sorry. No.

You wanna talk about Christopher Nolan's tenant? I mean, what's there to talk about? It's not being released. It's being kicked down the road again. Yeah, I mean, tenant, they had a trailer and it was like, you know, the trailer was like, in theaters in August or something, like really like definitively, like provocatively, like we're going to be in theaters. Sean is shocked every time and he always points it out to me every time the commercial says

only in theaters. He's like, do you hear that? Junet said. And I'm like, it's not a mistake. They really think they're gonna release this film in theaters and people are gonna go. Yeah, only in theaters. I mean, anyhow, to be honest to say,

with coronavirus surging again in the United States, tenant will not be released in August or whenever the fuck it was supposed to be released. You know, it's unsurprising. I'm excited to see it, but you know, like not excited enough to die. Like, no. Sure it's got, I'm sure it's got a great twist,

but like, is it worth like spending several weeks in the ICU and being hooked up to a ventilator? I don't think so. And honestly, it's gonna be on HBO Max in what? Three weeks, like a couple months, like whatever it is, they're not gonna do the normal, like takes the DVD until next February to come out thing.

Just wait. Anyhow, I don't know, I don't have a strong opinion on it. I mean, it's like a guy can like do time and reverse or something, like I think that's cool. Like I think that's like a good, like we should all have something like that in our lives. Who can't? You know, I'd love to have a superpower.

If you could have a superpower, what would you have? What would you, what would you, you could only get one superpower, what would it be? I have thought about it, but I feel like I need to re-value it, hold on. Really, you have to like go through some notes or something. Because my instinct is always super strength because I want to be able to like help people

in some like actual way that I'm not able to as a person right now, but John always says flight. I think invisibility is the creepiest option. Anybody that picks that's a real creep and you're about to say invisibility. Not at all, I have one that's even more creepy. Ooh, I like teleporting. Mine control.

Oh, you always go with mine control. Mine control. It's super creepy. Mineing. Mind control. Oh, you always go with mind control. Mind control. It's super creepy. It's mind control. It'll be like it. Mind control is the best. I mean, that's where your head goes, but mind control will be a very, very powerful super power to have.

Yeah, absolutely it would. I just wouldn't want to be someone, like I don't want to activate my magic powers and then I'm just like making people do things for me. I get it. It's strength and my info power. Well, I mean, if you're using it for, you know, if you're using it just to give people

a phone love with you, I think it's your idea. I guess, but even if I was to get money just by being like, give me that money or like, hey, you guys all vote for this candidate. I don't know that I could sleep at night. Right. I mean, I could have prevented Trump, so. I mean, you could do a lot with it.

You could do a lot with it. Yeah, you know. Like, I think it'd be a pretty great super power to have, but I also understand why you think it's creepy. I mean, I guess like, or like immortality, could that be? See, I always said I would like immortality if there was like an a like there was a plug I could pull when I was done. Because I definitely want to be immortal

and invulnerable and all that stuff, but there is going to be a point like during the heat death of the universe death becomes her style where you're like I want to be done now. I don't want to be here anymore. Um, and I think that's like the curse of that. You want to be like a vampire where like an end could come. You just know it's probably not gonna. Yeah, I guess, but isn't there always always something, right? There's always a catch. Yeah, but that's why I like teleporting because it just kind of saves you some time.

I think also I would like a power that was like hyper specific like, can freeze water because I also think there'd be kind of fun to come up with ways to use it, like a Ruben Goldberg machine. You know what I mean? My favorite thing when I watch those, like, teens with superpowers shows, or even, like, just regular superhero movies, I like when they get real creative with powers, and you're like, oh, shit,

I never even thought that you could, you know, like how like, secret mutants end up being omega level that didn't start that way. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, I guess I kind of know what you mean. Uh, like Squirrel Girl. Her power is to talk to squirrels, but she's just super creative with it, so she ends up

being like omega level mutant because she's just like really good at using squirrels to get whatever she wants done. Wait, is squirrel girl an actual mutant? Yeah, she's the most powerful mutant. What do you mean she's the most? What do you mean, like a squirrel that is the most? Yeah, she's the most powerful mutant a lot of time. How does that work?

She like defeats the concept of God at one point. Because she's sort of a parody character, but she's basically a game that the writers play where that she they only have that one power that she can talk to squirrels and they have her use it in such creative and fantastic ways that she always wins, but you're always like how the fuck she's called the unbeatable squirrel girl. And I love that. I like think that that's super fun and I kind of feel like if I had a superpower and it was just like, can produce cupcakes from thin air to figure out how to use that to get whatever you want is so great.

Well, I'm going to have to look into this. Is there like a graphic novel I can? Yes, there are. I feel like I'd be bored if my powers were just like Superman powers because then like, you know, what's the point? You could do any girl girl right now. Wow. So she's the most powerful mutant. Well, she's a Marvel character. So, right, she's Marvel character. 1991, the unbeatable squirrel girl.

How did I not know about this character? She's phenomenal. Nobody's second. Her initial appearance was, her original outfit was really bad. Yeah. I mean, she's got like short shorts now, I guess, or something, like with a squirrel tail. Did she actually have a tail?

She was. Did she actually have a tail? Is that like an actual tail, or is it like part of the costume? It moves as if it's an actual tail in the comics, but I don't think it's like the- During Squirrel Girls' first encounter with Iron Man, she provided the detailed demonstration for powers and abilities. A furry, prehensile tail roughly three to four feet long,

a sizeable buck teeth strong enough to chew through wood, and superhuman strength and agility allows her to easily jump between trees. Her fingers have sharp claws at a sister with climbing, and she possesses retractable knuckle spikes, roughly two to three inches long on each hand. Most importantly, she can communicate with and understand squirrels, but does not communicate with squirrels telepathically.

I have to send this to Laura right now. She always wins. She always wins has a wave of squirrels behind her or they've got a plan that they, it's just, it's great. She's fun. This is wild. I really, really wanna read some squirrel girl girl girl. How big is that?

Right? I'm like blown away that this is a character that exists. I mean, squirrels have also been depicted as understanding her when she speaks in English. Later appearances have revealed additional abilities possessed by squirrel girl, including heightened reflexes, which she dubs as Squirrel Jillity and Vision. Her eyes have been seen to glow red in low-light situations.

She also at times displayed an enhanced sense of smell. Squirrel Girl has also revealed that her lips taste like hazelnuts, but this attribute has since been retconned by an beatable Squirrel Girl writer, Ryan North. She is a superb hand-to-hand combat and combatant capable of taking down Wolverine in a one-to-one no-claws fight. Okay. Wow. That's insane. So that's how the utility belt. I mean, not sacks. Yeah, she's got not sacks. She's snacks that she gives her as squirrel friends. No, it's not sacks. This is fucking nuts, man. Well, at any rate, I'm going to get some the, the, I'm going to get right now. I'm going to go on Amazon. This is great. I'm glad that I'm glad that

Tony is tuning in to hear us do, like learn about squirrel girl and do some shopping. It's a valuable stuff. She is the most powerful hero in Marvel comics, but doesn't say officially Omega level, but you'd have to assume. Wait, where do you see that? Let's see Marvel's database. Sounds like a bunch of bullshit. What's the, I guess I could download this on my comicsology. So she really does like weird buck teeth, huh?

Like a squirrel. When you say a squirrel girl, I was sort of imagining like maybe like your whole thing with like, she wouldn't actually be a squirrel, but she had like squirrel. When you said squirrel girl, I was sort of imagining like maybe like your whole thing with like, she wouldn't actually be a squirrel, but she had like squirrel. Oh wow, you can get like a, you can get like a squirrel girl, fashion doll, toy. She's pretty cool. The unbeatable squirrel girl beats up the Marvel universe. This is a book. This is her defeating every person in the Marvel universe. This is her defeating every person in the Marvel universe. Literally, there's a pile of Marvel characters. Just like her in Dark Phoenix. Like, Squirrel Girl is wild.

She's metal. She's, I don't know, man. She's a crazy character. Sorry, I'm just like, really, from the existence of this character in the Marvel Universe. They gotta put her in a movie, right? Yeah, no, it's been talked about for a long time. They got to, I mean, I would definitely love to see a squirrel girl film.

Squirrel girl film, you know? Mm-hmm. I'm here for it, as they say. Well, let's let Tony go. Yeah, Tony should, deserves to be free from this absolute insanity. All right, anything else on our bucket list on our list? On our list.

What's up? Tell me something good. Oh, you want to hear nice things? Yeah. All right. I don't have a lot of nice things. I have been having extremely bad back pain with it has made my arm tingle. And it turns out I have some kind of arthritis

it by spine. Oh boy. Yeah, it's good stuff. I love to be an old person and anyhow, so yeah, like I got steroids for it and they I've taken them for one day and they seem to be helping. And all I can take like 10 times the dough. I did. I got these steroids in their set. It's actually crazy. I didn't know they'd do this because I've never had them before. It's like a five day run or something or six day run of of these pills and you're and they give you like there's like six on day one and five on day two and four on day three Etc. And so like the first day like for some reason like I got them later in the day And and I thought like the doctor is like take them all and like I thought he meant like take them all at once You know like you're supposed to take the six you're supposed to like six steroids like one with breakfast and then one with lunch and then

Two a dinner and then two before better whatever however works out I take the first time I did legal edibles and I Told I yeah, I took the first six at once and um I was pretty nauseous. I don't mind telling you. And then I started bench pressing things like a crazy person. Yeah, it's gonna say that's how you got your superpowers. Tagged by superpowers, I took to be steroids. Like anyhow, yeah, I'm just like, I'm just like Bane. Yeah, so my nice thing is,

so my arms tingling a lot less today and my back feels better. So my nice thing is, prescription steroids. What a certain, that's certain that that's the... Restored, that is it. Yeah, I mean, I'm just happy to be getting, to solving, to solve, you know,

hopefully working towards solving my problem, which is very uncomfortable. But I actually think it has been, I think that like being at home and sitting as much as I've been sitting has contributed to it. Like I feel like, I'm not a big, you know, I'm not, I'm not a big exercise person. But I do think like I was doing some exercise when I was commuting and like going to the office and going to meetings with people and going on walks with people to get coffee and like normal

stuff you do. And now I'm like, I'm almost depressing that I thought I was out of shape before. And now I've like lost even that. Yeah, now you know the truth. I'm a slug creature at this point. Yes, exactly how I feel. Speaking of, I've been watching a lot of television. And there are so many new kids on the block. You know, you got your quibbies, you got your thoughts.

Oh, I thought you were talking about like the characters all of the new kids on the block from the band. You're your quibbies, you got your thoughts about like the characters, all the new kids in the block from the band. You're like, I've been trying to figure out. I was like, I've heard, I heard about these new kids. Donnie, Danny, Joe, those are definitely so great guys and nothing will go wrong. Definitely guys. And he has a lot of streaming new kids. There's a lot of HBO Max's and I I think that's a lot. Oh my God. That's very nice for them.

You know, like I'm happy that Quibbin' along, and I hope that Peacock the app works at the point. Is it Quibbin' along though? I think it's like Quibbin' out. Let it quibbed to its death and pee. It's a death quibble. It's experiencing its death quibble. I went back to the old reliable networks

and I found a series that I love. It is executive produced by George Clooney, which made me suspicious, but in fact, ends it up, it's great. It's called Trial by Media. And it is about court cases that have played out in public more than they really played out within the courtroom. Well, it's sort of like the, um, the Italian girl. What is the thing they did about the Foxy Noxie Amanda? Yeah, yeah,

Amanda Nox. Yeah, that was interesting. Well, this is interesting because I know about a couple of these cases I don't know a ton about them I mean the first episode is about the Jenny Jones show murder and I knew about that because I knew about like the gay panic defense or whatever I don't if you've never heard of it. Yeah, it's an episode of the Jenny Jones show where It was like a secret crush revealed and this guy came on and a bunch of his friends were there. And it was like, which one of your friends is a secret crush on you? And it was a gay guy, and the guy was like, I'm not gay. And he was like, okay, well, I guess we'll be friends.

And that was kind of the end of it. And then a few days later, he shot that guy in a bunch of times in his home. And- Wow. And the defense was, but he was so panicked that people would think he was gay, that it's not murder, because it's involuntary to get that upset about something like that. And basically it created a precedent that like,

you can be panicked about someone else's sexuality or gender and then murder them and then that's not murder. Yeah, it checks out. It's very interesting and this whole series is like, either cases I've never heard of or stuff that I kind of was aware of like the Rod Blagoievich thing where we were like, okay, I know the basics of this, but I actually don't know like how we shook out the ins and outs or like the juicy details. And it really goes into like the role of the media in shaping these discussions and how sometimes it's for good and sometimes it's for bad, but in general, it's just totally avoidable at this point and our legal system isn't built to account

for the impact and influence that media has. And I mean, when you look at how like the law is completely not ready for technology and we end up having to do these like convoluted metaphors for things like we always talk about the bookstore and that's a pretty good metaphor for what we're talking about. Like when we say, you know, Facebook doesn't have a responsibility to show every single piece of content. They have the choice to like curate some of it. We talk about that and like a metaphor of the bookstore. Those legal metaphors just like aren't very strong and they like they the law hasn't really like caught up with TV let alone like

the internet and so it's it's an interesting case study in like reflecting on how we really screwed up the 20th century and especially in the 90s and like a good primer for how probably screwed up the law is around social media and we just haven't even caught up with like, we don't have no accounting for it yet. Like we're not, we're so in it, we can't really see it. Like court TV, you were so in court TV that it felt like a serious thing. And now you look back and you're like, well, it's probably not good that like at the commercial breaks of like

legal proceedings, Nancy Grace weighed in. Like that's probably not a net good for society that everyone was watching a court, like a courtroom testimony as like must see TV. Well court TV is definitely a deranged idea. But like we at the time, that didn't feel that deranged. Like it felt like funny that like, oh there's a whole channel where you watched court drama.

But it felt like, you know, we're all adults, we can watch this responsibly. And it's like, you don't even the act of watching something changes it. And like, yeah, yeah, we were ready to account for it. Yeah, also like, I mean, I watched like the Menendez trial, you know, the two the Menendez brothers. And I was like young. And it was not shit that I, young person. I mean, maybe I watched more on my parents that a the else I watched so much OJ Simpson shit when I was like five years old. That's like wild. Yeah, yeah John Benet Ramsey like I knew who that was and I knew she was murdered like that's crazy

I should not have known that but the internet's way worse Obviously like not to be all like worried about the youths, but like kids see shit way earlier now with less explanation and less context. And I don't know, so it's a really good series. I would say to people at six episodes that each an hour long, it's an easy like quarantine binge. Obviously, I've been on like a kind of a true crime kick last few weeks. I keep bringing it up, but it is a good new spin on it. It's not just like, who did this rape? And then we spend an hour hearing about how this corpse

was raped. It's like, you actually, there's some level of discourse and disagreement. You can walk away from it and have, John and I walked away from a couple of them having completely different opinions And it was kind of nice to disagree with somebody and the other person you're disagreeing with isn't like a Nazi They're just like have a different nuance to take on this issue than you do Right, right. So it's a kind of fun to watch one of those every night. We've been watching one tonight

In general nothing else in my life is good Yeah All right, well, I think look on that note on that very cheering note. We got to wrap up. But let's get out of here. I got to ride off in my Fort Bronco hybrid into the sunset. All right. I'm gonna go do a murder. Goodbye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best.

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