Tomorrow - 202: This World is Bullshit

Episode Date: August 15, 2020

This week Josh and Ryan spend about 40 minutes dissecting every atom about Joe Biden and Kamala Harris — but the good news is they barely argue! Then it's on to the Microsoft Surface Duo (aka the Courier), Billie Eilish's ethics as a pop culture icon, and Xbox's streaming service. We wish only health and peace to you and yours. Please register to vote. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Josh Wittipolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss selling out Shrek and basement Biden. I don't want waste one minute. Let's get right into it. Another week Ryan and we're still alive. We're still here. They just keep humming at us. We keep living and The weeks keep happening. It's like the great smash mouth song The years start coming. They don't stop coming. I Think those are the lyrics. I don't really know. You think I know at this point what the lyrics of rock star are It's all star.

All star. See, I don't even know the name of the song. Thanks, Trek fan. I, I, what, it, correct me if I'm wrong. All stars name the song. The years start coming and they don't stop, stop coming. Fed to the rules and I hit the ground running. I don't know what that means. He literally says the next line is,

didn't make sense. Didn't make sense not to live for fun. Well, that I understand. He's like saying, you know, it made sense to me to just live for just to have a good time. It cracked me if I'm wrong speaking of Shrek. Was the, was the, is the, in the original Shrek movie, is the song Hallelujah used the Leonard Cohen song? So, is it Shrek too? Is it Shrek too? I don't know. I don't remember. I guess I'm going to have to Google Shrek Hallelujah now. I'm Googleing it right now. I have to know.

And it's Rufus Wainwright's version. Yeah, it's in Shrek. It's in the in Shrek. It's in the original Shrek. Yes. What a fucked up situation. How did that end up in Shrek? The Shrek soundtrack, fucking bang.

Okay, I had a copy of the Shrek. Smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash I mean, we've got Neil Diamond, we've got Joan Jett, we've got Leonard Cohen. I don't see him on.

I'm not bad around. I see songs written by those people, but not perform. I mean, I'm a bully for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm talking, you know, performed by Donkey. Sure, I'm talking, I was 11 and I didn't know any of these songs.

So it was great. I mean, the eels are on the soundtrack. That's really interesting. I mean, bad reputation, really odd. A lot of popular songs on there. Anyhow, Shrek, my favorite thing is the Shrek meme where he's like disintegrating. He's like, I don't feel so good, Donkey.

Which like is, and I don't wanna do a spoiler, but it seems to be referencing something from Wild Palms, which you know I've talked about many times. This ABC mini series from the 90s about, what? You've got a certain game. Okay, yeah, maybe, but the way it's done, is it seems to me to be referencing something

very specific in wild palms that happens, which I don't want to spoil for anybody who hasn't seen wild palms. And so I always think of it, and maybe it is referencing endgame, but I think it actually predates endgame. Hold on, I don't feel so good. You know, it's in the eyes of the holder, so. Is that, I don't feel so good. You know, art is, it's in the eyes of the holder.

Is that, I don't feel so good, Donkey? Is this the, is this the, yeah, so I guess it's, and it is an endgame meme. I guess it is an endgame meme, but the way he's like pixelating in these like triangles, yeah, he's very visually reminiscent of something that happens in wild palms, which I'm not going to say specifically what it is. And I think if you watch it and see it, you'll be like, oh, yeah, because also it's like, but then again, I mean, maybe it's actually maybe

endgame is referencing this wild palms thing, which would be crazy, but not totally impossible. I mean, you know, there are some real heavy hitters making wild palms like all of our stone, you know, and some great directors like Catherine Bigelow. Anyhow, I didn't mean to digress into wild palms fan theories, but here we are. So, anyhow, this week happened, it's the end of the week, and you know, it's been a big one. We got ourselves a VP, you know, one that you love. Yeah. We got ourselves...

So, over the moon. you know one that you love. Yeah. We got ourselves so over the moon. Uh, cop mala. Cop mala. No, there's like, one nation under arrest. What is I'm gonna see what they should. Uh, Kamala. Well, I listen, I personally am fine with her. I'm like, she's great. I think she's terrific. I have no strong opinion. Um, a lot of people have strong opinions though. I mean, I think she's terrific. I have no strong opinion. A lot of people have strong opinions, though. I mean, I'm like, with both the both the Democratic nominee Joe Biden and the VP now, Kamala Harris, I'm like, whatever, like just let's, can we get four years of people running the government like in some normal way? Sure, but the reason that I'm very loudly and vocally critical of them is that I think

if they listened to specifically my feedback, they just have a better chance at winning. Why aren't they have a better chance at winning? Yeah, I mean, I'm not disagreeing. Well, I mean, I think I do feel like we're in a situation. I want them to win. And I think saying Medicare for all helps them win. Yeah. 70% of Americans like Medicare for all. They need to make it real. I don't get the controversy. I don't really don't. How is it like we're going to give everybody healthcare?

Just be like, I think, but I think we're the controversy. Healthcare companies bribe them. They give them a bunch of money to spend on. Well, I think also, but I think also Biden's thing was always like, you know, which I think gets a little bit lost in the shuffles. He's always like, yes, like, of course, I support Medicare for all and medical coverage for all Americans. But, but how do we pay for it? Where is it? The math doesn't make sense.

And I think it's like, what they should do is say, if that's his like line, I'm like, okay, I totally get you need to do the math on it. I don't buy that. Of course, I mean, like you could be like, you want to. Yeah, let's buy a couple more. Let's buy a couple less helicopters made out of diamonds for the military. Right. We went to the fucking moon. I think we can give everybody a trip to the fucking doctor. But I think what they, I think what they need to do is just basically be like, um, we're going to figure out the, we're going to figure out the math. We're going to make the math work. That should be the line.

Be like, you know what? I support it. We're going to do it. We need to make sure we get the math right. But we, we want to make sure every American is covered. And, and, and, and, you know, it, that it's a right of the, of the, you know, it's a, it's a right. If you you know, it's a right if you're an American citizen that you're not gonna be turned away if you need healthcare, especially on the heels of the fucking pandemic, which we are still getting

walloped by, which we are still leading. You know, it's like just say, you know how much money we would have saved if everyone was able to like, access healthcare at the beginning of the pandemic. Like we would have said stayed trillions of dollars. I mean, what would be really sick right now is if like, I mean, they're not going to do, they're not going to touch Bernie because Bernie, because you see, by the way, so I want to talk about Kamala for a second.

I mean, I want to talk about like the reaction to her because, but I do want to get back to this, but like, they really should have like, they should just put together like a dream team of like democratic brains and go like, here's who's gonna do what in my administration. And he should be like, Bernie's gonna be in charge of figuring out medical, Medicare for all and, you know, four other things that are like, Bernie's trip, you know?

And like, Elizabeth Warren's gonna do this in this role. And like, just be like, we're gonna bring all of this to the table and get it done. And that's why you should be voting for us. But like, yeah, I know that don't you think like Nancy Pelosi is a very rich white woman. She doesn't want her taxes to go up. They don't want. I don't think Nancy Pelosi cares about that.

I don't think she does. I think they care about, I think they care about, I think they really believe. I don't think Nancy Pelosi is like, I don't want people to have healthcare. I don't think she gives a shit. No, I think she doesn't want her taxes to go up and she doesn't want to lose power. I don't think she cares about taxes.

I don't even think it's about losing power. I think Nancy Pelosi, if she felt, I think Nancy Pelosi's pursuit of power is the thing that is causing her to be, and I don't know how much she's actually said publicly about it, Medicare for all, if anything, but like her pursuit of power is the thing that makes them all, all of them scared to talk about ideas that they think could be too quote unquote radical. And so they don't like, I think like the, because you see what's happening, right? And this actually brings us full circle to Kamala, which is like, you see the reaction from the right, the reaction from like Trump and his cronies is like, she's a radical leftist, will destroy, smash the state, wants to destroy

the government, wants to change Americans way of life. They're gonna do that song and dance, you know? No, no, I know. No, I know. I know. Two insults. I hear you, no, I hear you, but, you know, Biden can always say, at this point, he can always say like, look folks, you know,

I was your VP under Obama, your way of life didn't change. We got you more medical care, you know, we got you more medical coverage blah, blah, blah, and be that like the centrist guy. And he's always gonna be able to go like, if as long as he stays like centrist Joe Biden, he's always going to be able to go like, okay, but like the record, here's the record, right? But what's interesting about Kamala is like,

they're like, she's radical, she's the hard left, she's like, she's going to turn America into Seattle or whatever. If only, if only. Isn't Seattle like, is legalized? We eat in really good coffee everywhere. Like, that sounds great to me. Like, I'm fine with that.

There's like, I like how they make it seem like because there's like some protests going on in Seattle and some like stuff got you know Smash or whatever it's like the people in Seattle are living in you know They're in it's like war torn It's blown out. It's like they're living in like high rises that have been bombed repeatedly and it's like they're intense on the street And it's like war torn. It's like it's's fucking Seattle. You know, Microsoft has its headquarters there. You know, it's like, not, I mean, I know they're a little bit outside of Seattle or whatever, but getting back onto the topic

that I really want to discuss. So on the right wing, they're like, she's a radical leftist, you know, also like, she's black. Like, they're like, everybody can't stop talking about her race, like, they are so obsessed. Like, there's something really wrong with the Republicans. They're like, I've seen Republicans. Yeah, they're fronologists.

I mean, there's so many Republican commentators that are like, you know, she's not really African-American. It's like, listen, why is this a topic for you at all? Why are you talking about it? Why is it so important to you to discuss it? It is historic. I just wanna to say historic that we have a, you know, potentially a black woman vice president in America that's very fucking exciting. Her specific blackness, like in terms of like, but these Republicans are like

specifically just to be clear. She's not that kind of black that we're talking about when we talk it. It's like, what, what, why are you discussing this? So there's one, there's that whole thing with the right wing. They're so fucking disturbed. But then on the, on our side of the fence, there's like all of the, the Bernie, like you, and everybody else, a lot of people who are very, who are very, you know, the left wing,

the left wing of the left wing who are like fuck this cop She's basically a Republican. Yeah, she's worse than she's worse than fucking Bloomberg You know, and it's like it's like I'm like okay. I don't think she's worse than Bloomberg No, I know you don't say that I'm not saying you're saying that but there are people who are like she's like the America's top cop She's like oh she goes like she's like America's top cop, she's like, oh she goes. I mean, I mean listen, I think we're losing some nuance. I think she's done things that are good

and she's done things that are bad and there's probably some nuance to the things that she's done that we all disagree with or that we would have liked to see it's have done better, that if you dig into it, you know, different time, different plays, different set of circumstances, different America, you know. Here's my thing with her. And I don't think she'll be a bad president, like in the

spectrum of bad presidents. If she was to be the president, I don't think she would be bush. I don't even think she'd be as bad as like, you know, mediocre presidents. I think my thing with her is she operates, there's two things. She operates from a place of like as a prosecutor and she operates from this idea that like the criminal justice system is the way that it is because that's how it has to be. Like there's a lot of like, you know, she talks a lot about like how labor in prisons, like how she can leverage that and how she can keep productivity up.

And it's like, well, I don't think that we should have slaves at all. And that's what prison labor is. And she also, I don't think she's the right person for this moment. I get why they chose a black woman. But to me, it's a very shallow reading of the politics of the moment, because I don't think the black community looks at her as someone who will

address police brutality or issues of race, at least not from the black friends that I've spoken to, and I certainly don't think that she's going to make a big impact on police brutality or issues of race. It's a real, as a presidential candidate, she released plans outlining her vision I'm reading from the New York Times for criminal justice was forming how to stand up for Black America as part of the plans. Ms. Harris called for ending mass incarceration

cash bail on the death penalty, creating a national police systems review board, making attending historically Black colleges and universities debt-free for students and many other measures. I'm just saying that was her plan as a presidential candidate. Now, but also her plan was like,

I will, we will do tuition forgiveness for Pell Grant recipients who are running a business in an underserved community for more than three years. It's that kind of like obfuscation, like under tons of bureaucracy, you get this little credit, that kind of stuff. And also, you just said, look at Biden's record. I mean, my issue with her is that just like,

there are so many horrifying clips of her being like, I fucking love cops and what they do is great. All right. Well, but in her clothes are not gonna help us. I just want to win. I don't think the cheese someone just got to help us win. Well, I don't think she, I don't, I think, I think that there are, I think you would be surprised

to learn how many of the people who go out and voted for Biden went out and voted for Biden in the primaries when people were going out and voting. And by the way, a Biden, not widely really discussed, but Biden actually had like some record numbers of turnout. And like a big part of that was like older people. I don't know how much like you've looked into the numbers, but it's really insane because everybody was like, Bernie's going to turn out the youth vote. And like what actually weirdly

happened is Biden turned out this like old vote. But anyhow, but not to digress too much. I agree with you. I don't think that she hurts the ticket as much as you think she hurts the ticket because I think there are a lot more people who are like middle of the road. And this is what the Democrats all believe. There are a lot of people who are middle of the road that are looking for middle of the road solutions that are looking for calm, competent, like nobody's changing their mind or getting excited if they weren't already about Biden. I agree. I don't think this is suddenly like I think if you'd have picked Warren. Now I

think it would be like or Stacy Abrams. Yeah. There was a number of people that I mean that would have you. I think if you let it and you knighted. Let's take Stacy Abrams and Warren as a as a two other options, right? Both would have would have more radicalfully so, policies probably around the stuff that we're talking about. Again, just want to pause. Radical being the viewpoint of like, where the over 10 window is, but none of their ideas are in fact radical.

No, no, not radical, like, not radical, like it's gonna destroy the world. More like radical comparisons to this. Radical, radical comparatively to the democratic centrist sort of policy making, right? And radical to a corporate concern. But you have to know that like the entire, I mean, I think the entire Biden calculation right now,

to the point that I was making about that turnout, is we don't want to freak out the people who Trump is desperately trying to freak out, who are old and scared and right now are unhappy. And if they feel like we're going to make them somehow more unhappy and more scared, then they already are. They're going to go like, well, you know, I'm just going to stick with what's going on now because we don't want to change this mid. Yeah. You know, mid, we don't want to turn turn this try to turn the ship around mid journey or whatever. Yeah.

Obviously, their whole strategy has been stick by an end of basement and let Trump trip over himself in public for as long as possible. I mean, and, and, and listen, you know, not the worst strategy given what we've been going on. I agree. I agree. By the way, given the candidates, that is what absolutely I want to speak. I'd like to speak on Joe Biden.

Has was referred to like 20 years ago, he's somebody called him a walking gaff machine. And for 20 years or longer, whatever his entire political career, Joe Biden has been, a person who's, he's not like George Bush and that like he's actually stupid. Like George Bush was like actually dumb when he spoke. Joe Biden is, now part of this is because I know that he had a stutter when he, and he's

like, actually has trouble speaking. Part of it is I think just because he's like kind of a guy who says shit that like, it's like the edit button doesn't work as well as it should. And I'm like, I'm like, I get it. We've all been there. But like, I just want to point something out that Laura sent to me today. So George Saunders has, the writer has a email, he has an email list or whatever, sorry, what do you call them?

A newsletter, email list. And he says the... A sub stack. And he says he has a long thing about Joe Biden reading Lincoln in the Bardo, which is a, you know, critically acclaimed, I don't know if you've ever read it, but I actually started listening to the audiobook, which is insane insane because it's George Saunders novel, but it's like the audiobook version of it is like read by like 20 different people,

and they're all really famous, like Nick Offerman and all these people. And any rate, George Saunders is like, oh yeah, like a couple of years ago, or a year ago Joe Biden read Lincoln in the bar. Don't he wouldn't stop talking to me about it He was like obsessively talking to me about it. So like people are like, oh his brain is broken He can't think or whatever like I think Joe Biden's brain is fine. I don't think he has dementia I think Trump has fucking dementia. I think Trump has a broken brain

And I'm not just saying that as a partisan thing. He's like what he does and what he says is like really Difficult to follow and sounds like the confused language of a person whose brain isn't functioning. I think Joe Biden is prone to saying and doing things that are like really seem really dumb. But it has nothing to do with his like. Very unsilf aware. Yeah, it's like I think it's like I think it's a combination of like He seems like honestly in some ways like he's like a little too casual sometimes when he's talking like like you You made that comment about like you're not black if you're voting for Trump like I can't imagine Joe Biden saying that to somebody

He knows well, you know, like if he's like having a having a debate with like, you know, somebody that he's like, you know Let's say another member of the Democratic Party a black member of the party and they're having a debate with like, you know, somebody that he's like, you know, let's say another member of the Democratic Party, a black member of the party, and they're having a debate about it, you know? I could see them having that in like a small group, but it's not something you'd like say like on the radio to like an interviewer. Like you'd be like, yeah, I think I'm gonna hold that

heated comment. It's like that kind of stuff. It's like, I feel like his edit button is broken. Anyhow, but to your point about him in the basement, I do think, we should acknowledge that there are very separate standards for Joe Biden and Donald Trump because obviously Donald Trump is way worse.

I mean, it's not even close. No, there are different standards for Democrats. Trump always. Well, right, it's like Al Franken. I mean, it's like we're Al Franken. There was like a picture of him and then we're like, you're gone. Sorry, buddy, they are right. It's like Al Franken. I mean, it's like we're Al Franken. There was like a picture of him and then we're like you're gone. Sorry, buddy. You're out. You know, he like squeezed his hands in front of a woman's breasts and said, what? What in the 90s? I'm like, you're fired. Sorry. Your entire career in politics is now garbage.

You can flush to have the toilet. But you know, while men while pedophiles are running on the geos, it's so the strength of the Q and on base. It's so incredible. It is so incredible to see the levels of tolerance. You know, they're like, I mean, Trump, Trump, like the other, like yesterday was like, oh, they're like the, you know, he was talking about the suburb being invaded by, you know,

with low income housing, you know, which is just him saying, black, black people and other brown people come into your white neighborhoods and you should be scared of it. And he's like, you know, the suburbs are like 35% non-white. He's like, I like to cut it down and say 30% though. It's like, okay, like, you know, you said that out loud. Like, you know, you're like what you just said was in public. Like, you're just literally admitting that you like to tell people there's fewer people of color in the suburbs because that's a narrative that works better for your base and it's racist.

It's like, all right. Sure, why not? He's like pretty nice leviton. You got there. Be ashamed of some black people move there. It's so, it's so crass. I mean, they're probably just, is it the fucking 50s?

What are we talking about? It's so, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It really is the party. I don't understand it. I used to get this thing where people are like, you know, it's like, it's fiscal conservatives or whatever, or they're like,

I'm socially liberal, but I'm a fiscal conservative. Or they're like, hawkish, more like war, more like, got to defend democracy worldwide, got to know Americans across the globe blah blah blah like war hawk shit That I sort of understand like I get at least can be like I get the mentality I get the mindset The party now is like what is your platform? Like you hate black people. That's the platform like you know platform, you hate black people, that's the platform. Like, you don't, what is it?

It literally the platform now, every single thing is on the lips. Fuck off those, fuck those fags, fuck black people, on the lips, on anybody that would appear on the television series Glee because it insults me and makes me feel like a less of a man. So let's fucking on the lips at every turn.

Oh, the lips want me not to die from a viral pandemic. Well guess what bitch? I'm gonna die. Yeah, I'm a viral pandemic. This is like what this is like I tweeted this thing this this last night. It's like this sheriff in This sheriff in Florida is like I've sent a memo. I'm instructing my officers to stop wearing masks and and anybody who comes into our, you know, uh, uh, precinct, you know, or whatever doesn't have to wear a mask. And it's like, uh, it just to be clear, like, he was like, you know, there's just as much evidence saying, mask don't do anything as there is saying that they do. And it's like, hmm, that's just made up you just just pulled that out of thin air and

isn't true. Oh, evidence being Facebook comments. Yeah, I'm pretty sure those are fifths. It's like, I use it just as much evidence if I look at my Facebook feed on any given day. Anyhow, but you know, it's like, it's this thing. It's like, you know, how fucking, this is so dumb. Like, how is it possible to be so dumb?

I'm sorry, like, it's like, how are you like, what the mass thing is like, how did it become politicized? I mean, Trump made it a political issue. The leadership is so insane. It's like, we could have stopped so much of this death. I mean, Donald Trump could have personally stopped so much death if he had had a clear policy and had followed what the scientists were saying. All of this was preventable. All of it. I mean, no, there would have been some infections. There would have been some outbreaks.

But like, I mean, by the way, I mean, just if we had had to task force, if he hadn't disbanded it, if we had been- New Zealand is COVID free and they have less money than we do. Well, New Zealand, I mean, New Zealand is like, it's such a small country, and they have such, I mean, they have people who actually, they have good leadership, that's obviously a big part of it.

There are plenty of countries where they had bad outbreaks, but then they got them under control. They only got them under control Italy. They only got them under control because at the top level of the government, the leadership said, we are going to enforce strict, you know, to enforce strict isolation, mask wearing, sanitation, all this stuff.

We're going to enforce it and it's going to be like, you will go to jail if you don't do it, you will be fine if you don't do it. There were people like being arrested for not doing it. In this country, Trump wanted to turn it into this fucking partisan issue, like, and now like people are just dying for no reason. They're just fucking dying. And there's a whole group of people. And maybe it's not that many, but they seem to be out there,

that, you know, are just like, they think it's like a political issue and that they're making a statement about their politics if they wear a mask or don't wear it. And it's like, the only statement you're making is about your fucking brain and how broken it is, you know? Well, that was the thing when Trump was like, when I see people wearing masks,

I think they're just saying they don't like me. And it was like, but I think about you a lot, but not that fucking much. I just don't wanna die. Like, I'm not putting something on my face every day that's like, and we can openly say, listen, it's not comfortable. Nobody's like, and we can openly say, listen, it's not comfortable. Nobody's like, oh, I love wearing a mask, but it's not so uncomfortable as to be worth

like killing people. And you certainly can forget it's on. But I'm not before I leave the house every day being like, I need to get a, a mask, put it on my face and walk around with it on my face all day, just to like own Trump. If anything that just tells me like, that's the way that they think, they would do that. They would go through any hoop if they felt like it would upset liberals.

And they have this construction in their head of who liberals are and what they like want. I had like a Twitter interaction like a year ago, maybe more than that. And someone was tweeting at me furiously and in good faith being like, why are you people like this? We just want like we just want enough to take care of our families and we don't want the government to

Overtax us or to get us involved and stuff. We don't want to be involved with what are you not understanding? And it's like we want the same thing bra like we want the exact same thing you do We just disagree on the method to get it because we're using like Research to point us to the answer rather than what feels right. Right. And it's like, it's very frustrating because there's this idea that like, that like my, that my agenda as like a queer person who like is a writer. Oh, my agenda is to take all of your fucking money and fucking give it to people who don't work anymore so that they can just lay around and it's like no, you're not listening to like actual the actual situation or like what people need. Like do you want to solve homelessness or no, do you want to get people back on their feet,

do you want to get people involved in the economy again or are you just like suffering for suffering seek and all of which to say like I hope my one thing with Kamala that I hope that she's able to do, and I'm going to keep pushing her to do it, is Biden clearly doesn't break through and get Republicans to like, he doesn't neutralize their attacks so much as he does a really good job of selling like the status quo. Like he's like, but things are fine or like things were fine or things could be fine again. And I want someone to be able to break through and be like, what they're saying is like, wrong, things are bad and we're going to try something new to fix them. And like being able to

get that point across, that like, it's okay to try a new thing to fix a problem. You don't have to accept dying of COVID. Like we can, there are things we can do and we just worth trying. And like I think Obama did a really good job of shaping that message with like the hope and change stuff. It got people like people just got it. People understood like, yeah, fuck this. Let's change stuff. And like, that was a good thing that we did that. You know what I mean? Like his presidency wasn't perfect, but like, it's better to try stuff than it is to just be like, it's always going to be shit. And the only way to get ahead is to like crush minorities further. Like, right. Yeah, I mean,

it's anyhow. It's, you know, I feel like we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, And that's like a powerful feeling and it makes you, but it keeps you, it gives you motivation to do stuff, but it keeps you from like being objective about the situation and like what it will take to fix it. And I, sometimes I just, I feel like nobody in this country is able to take a few steps back and look at the overall picture. You know what I mean?

Yeah, no, it's, it's, oh, I just want, I just need, need to end this chapter. I know. And you know, like, it's just things are on the table that like we're not on the table. Okay, I know you people have problems with Obama, but like things are on the table now in America that we're really not on the table during Obama's eight years.

Like abortion, like access to abortion and, you know, and, and, uh, plan parenthood. It wasn't on the table. They wanted it to be, but they couldn't get it on the table, you know? Uh, I mean, you know, uh, writes for, for LGBTQ, like that stuff was moving in the right direction. It was moving in the correct direction. It was more inclusive. There were more laws being created

that made it clear what people's rights were and that people had rights. Literally, we forget it now because it's so long ago and so much shit has happened, but you think about the Trans Military Band, which literally, even all of the people in the military where this doesn't make sense and we don't want it and we don't need it,

Trump had to do it to like get his base, like, focused on some of those fucking lips. Well, just also to like, also like, women don't have dicks. Like, just like, but just, it's not even that. I don't even think it's that specific of a commentary. I think it is like, hey, you white old Americans who like things the way they were, I'm going to just do everything I can to keep it the way it was.

You know, and we're not going to talk about that other stuff. We're not going to let, you know, we're not going to let these trans people invade our military. It's like all that like fear mongering when even the military itself is like, yeah, we don't care actually. Like, it's not an issue. And so like, it's so you, there's so many things that have just happened where we're like, now we're having debates about, okay, like public, like, like, like the fucking national parks, like our under threat. It like, they're now, like, under threat of private development because Trump repealed a bunch of protections.

And it's like, why are we talking about this? They're national fucking parks, fucking oil pipelines that were absolutely not going to happen are happening because Trump was like, yeah, I'm going to repeal all the shit that prevented it. You know, like the EPA, the CDC, all have been fucking horrible. But these are the people who like worship Teddy Roosevelt or the people who are like, I worship Abraham Lincoln. Right. I worship those presidents. And it's like, do you know anything about what they thought or did anything at all? Do you know any history?

Yeah. Have you ever read or have you ever cracked a book? And by the way, just, like they're not just statues of white dudes who look a mask. That's not just like what they are. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, and now we're talking about the Postal Service. And the Postal Service, which has been under attack by Republicans for many years, is like literally one of America's most important oldest institutions that is like responsible for like America, partially responsible for America, even existing in the way that it does. But we're not gonna have fucking mail. We're not gonna have library. No We're not gonna have a library.

No, and like fucking, I'm not out. Like mail, like the mail system in America is like responsible for things like, you know, keeping records of where people live. Like it's really important. Like they, it's a very, very important service. And which has only been, you know, attacked and beaten up by politicians for the last like 50 years or so.

But literally there are so many people in so many communities in so many places in this country that rely on the postal service to do what it does. And like, I mean, I don't know how well you know your neighborhood postal workers. You know, I know that they get a lot of shit. People make fun of them. You know, people go like going postal

on the postal, like the postal, you know, USPS offices being like insane lines and stuff. By the way, that's all because their funding has been stripped away over and over again. And the reason that postal workers get a bad rap is because they're under a ton of pressure with no funding in a job and a thankless physical labor job.

I mean, we've tried, we've used this free market bullshit to try to strip away the power of the post office. You go to other countries, socialist countries like France or like England or like Italy or any really any other. By the way, socialist again, by our standards, in the rest of the world, just totally center is very like conservative. But they have, but they have basic socialist ideas in place like the post service. The postal service is a resource that should be represented by and supported by the government

for all of the citizens because it's a vital, you know, it's a vital, um, it's like a fire department. Yeah, it's like a, it's a vital component of like life in that country or whatever, you know, their postal fucking systems are awesome. And in America, honestly, the USPS has done an amazing job. Amazon would not exist without the postal service. There would be no Amazon. You would not be today. The PS and FedEx would not exist. They send their packages through the postal service.

You would not get your fucking two day prime delivery in any situation where the post office wasn't at work function in a full capacity. And Trump is like literally in broad daylight, installing people in the in the postal service at the top jobs, trying to strip away what it does. And obviously in as we lead up to the election where he has been, one thing that Trump does consistently, you can guarantee, you can fucking bet on, is like projection. His, if Trump says somebody is doing something, it means he is doing it.

If Trump says there's gonna be widespread, mail fraud, and voter fraud, it means he is trying to and would like to commit that particular crime. And like, and make no mistake about it, he is in broad daylight in front of everybody doing it right now with the postal service. What he is doing is going to make mail and voting a complete fucking shit show because it serves his purposes, which is to stay in power and to steal the election if he can, which he would in a heartbeat.

I mean, they've already said like, yeah, we'll take help from foreign countries if they want to give it to us to like defeat Joe Biden. They definitely will manipulate the postal service if it helps them win. And so we should all be very fucking worried about that shit. And that's what I'm talking about. Like, yes, Republicans have been trying to destroy the postal service into some degree, some Democrats as well, who are, you know, to your point getting lobbied by Fed, the Fed acts as the UPS is the world.

But never before have we been in a situation where we're like, we're literally dealing with like an internal destruction of the postal service at the hands of the president to manipulate a fucking upcoming election. I mean, that is just like beyond the pale. Just way, way over the top, like stuff that we've never been talking about or thinking about in this country before.

So I never I never do this. I never do this. I never, ever do this. And Tony forgive me, but I am owed this one. Wow. Remember Hillary Clinton's emails. I'm going to Benghazi. Have a Benghazi. Remember the tan suit.

Like I, I, I just every once in a while, I do for my own sanity have to step back and be like, yeah, there are very different standards for like for the same party like the same party is allowed to do whatever it want very different standards and like what's crazy is what's crazy is and I and I will say like Like a big fuck you to the to the news media The way they write these fucking headlines, consistently, they consistently downplay

in this, excuse me, in this desire for whatever fairness they believe they're creating or whatever. They just don't wanna get yelled at. They're like, they're like, they don't wanna get yelled at by Hick. They're like, you know, the new postmaster general raises concerns, is like, raises concerns. He's literally created a situation where they're like,

they can't deliver the mail on time now. Like, people are like, yeah, they've changed the rules internally so we can't get mail delivered. They're like, time people to like, leave mail on the floor and fucking mail rooms. Like, it's insane, you know, anyhow. So all I want, all I want, all I want in life right now is to go back to, I don't care how fucking mediocre

and unsatisfying, I'm not saying this to you directly, but to anybody, how mediocre and unsatisfying and centrist and old school and like, you know, unexciting, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are, it just like, let's just take a four year repair period before like just to do anything other than being panic mode every day. Like, I don't believe we'll be in panic mode.

Right now every day is like a fucking four alarm fire and or five alarm, what I don't know what the top alarm is. It's all the alarms are going off. And I just wanna get to a place where we're just having, you know, regular small little blazes that can be put out with like one fire truck, you know, is that too much to ask? I don't think it is.

I don't think this is gonna be easy to fix. And I don't think, well, no, it's not gonna be easy to fix. It's been simmering for a very long time. Things have been falling apart for a very long time and they just started accelerating and it's right. Yeah, but your head will spin. If we get a Democrat controlled house, Senate, and White House,

your head will spin and how quickly. Of course, I want to stop the bleeding, of course. But I'm just saying this is going to be the rest of our lives. Hopefully we'll be spent like getting us back on track, getting the entire globe back on track to like a sustainable place. Because like we have so many apocalypse is waiting in the wings that we're doing nothing about.

No, I know, I know. Anyhow, no. It's a perfect example. Sorry. No, that's good. Now to talk about Microsoft Surface Duo. I literally had it loaded as my next thing. OK, good.

Good. Just got a flip it completely. So Ray Wong, our senior reviews editor, got a look at the new Microsoft dual screen. I mean, I think the thing that they've created, it's an Android phone. It's dual screen. It's not.

It's a foldable phone, but it has two separate screens so they're not like trying to create some bendable like screen technology. And it's like, it is about the size of a paperback book. It looks like when it's opened, maybe a little bit smaller. And I have to say, I was like panning this and like this is vaporware and this is stupid

and I don't have any interest in this and I hate this and like no, thank you. But I have to say after reading Ray's piece on it, he got some screen time obviously couldn't do it in person with Microsoft but he got some screen time with the people behind this, project and got a look at the device in real time and got a bunch of material on it. I have to say, I am much more interested in this than I thought I would be for a bunch of different reasons. I do think that Microsoft, and he talks about it like they got the software, the dual screen software idea, kind of right here in his estimation.

And so the way it works with multitasking, the way it works with taking stuff between apps, the way the two screens kind of react to what's, you know, one screen reacts to what's on the other screen. Like I actually do feel they have gotten much closer to the kind of, you know, the career, which is the dream, you know, the leak from Microsoft that we saw like 10 years ago now that was like this awesome dual screen like book device.

And this does almost seem like maybe they've gotten the beginnings of that project, right? And it's like, it's actually kind of cool and kind of exciting. And like I can see like for like gaming for some productivity stuff, for like reading, I actually feel like, I mean, I wish that the bezels were small, where like there were fewer bezels on it. But, Ray, it's a great point, which is that this product makes no sense if you're out and about in the world, and you need to check a text message. Like, that's not a thing

that's like accessible on this product, but most people aren't doing that anymore. As a pandemic product, or like I work from home product, a dream. It's a dream. If the way that Evan said, the fold was never interesting to him until he was like stuck in his apartment and he unfolded it and hooked a controller up to it and then like refolded it, it's like, oh, wait, this is a great product for around the house, but like we weren't living around the house until recently. So I think they like, lucked into something here.

Yeah, I think I agree. And I think it's actually like a pretty attractive device. I mean, it's very straightforward, it's very simple. It follows a lot of, to some degree, the surface design language. I mean, it's a folding device with a windows logo on the back. I think it is, obviously, performances gonna performance is going to be a big deal. The camera will be somewhat of a big deal, although to your point, I mean,

I take pictures of Zelda in the house, but like even now we're taking way fewer pictures than we were taking because like, there's just not, we're not doing that much stuff, you know? And, and so it is an interesting productivity device, like, or a sort of adapting device to go between like, being productive and then just doing like casual shit. I do think like the idea of being able to have like, slack up on one screen and Twitter on the other

would completely change the way that like, like when I wake up, you know, and I'm still in bed and like we start like having conversations like early in the morning. A lot of times like I'll sit in bed like on my phone and I'll be going between like Slack and Twitter and like email and just kind of like feed readers and jumping in and out of like our early morning stuff before we even in like vet mode, you know,

when we start like really talking about stories, this device would be really interesting for that purpose because like if I needed to send a more wordy email, like you could hypothetically flip it and type on a larger keyboard. Now, I don't know how that'll actually feel, but given the fact that it's like a tiny little laptop, that could be interesting.

The fact you can have two apps side-by-side the way that it does it where it has these like parrains. I think it's really interesting. And then the moving between those, obviously everything is about the execution. You know, we have to see if they actually execute to this right. But to that point, I think about the execution. You know, we have to see if they actually execute to this right? But to that, you know, I think having

the separate screens as opposed to one large foldable screen or a screen that like snaps onto the device, like the LG, there's an LG phone that does that. I think having two separate screens that you're required to interact with creates a paradigm where you, it creates a feedback cycle where it's used for the right purposes as those should like an iPad screen, which it feels like you should just use one

app. But when I turned it landscape and use two apps, I get stuff done, but I never occurs to me to do that. So I just takes a long time to do anything. I think having the two screens forces you into trying and using it and finding uses for it. And in a way that will feel good, because it actually will solve problems.

I think what's interesting that I didn't quite get until I read this piece and watch some of the video is like, it's specifically saying there's two screens here. And I think to your exactly what you're saying, it's specifically saying like, this isn't like the fold wants you to to turn small screens into a big screen. Like it wants you to turn like one screen that's small into a big screen, right?

Yeah. And the same with like, my problem with like the Galaxy Z Flip or the razor, which is a piece of shit, but like, was that it didn't explain why the fold happened. Right? It wasn't like there was no thing where I'm like, Oh, yeah, this was the same. I think the same was true of the gal of the first galaxy fold and maybe the second where it's like, okay, it makes the screen bigger, but like, how does this really help me?

Like, why is this, like, why do I now have the bigger spaces? It just like, you want to emulate, of course, you could put some side-by-side apps, I guess, but the fluidity of the dual screen thing, it wasn't like one over here, whatever there was like, okay, this whole space is yours to use, as if it was a computer or an iPad, which is exactly to your point, you want to use a computer, obviously,

as a windowed environment on an iPad, it's a single app environment, but on a phone that folds open. Most of them are kind of like, well, you can do multiple screens or you could do one screen that's really big. And like, it doesn't make a distinction about why or how you'd want to do it. This is specifically saying, these are two environments. There's actually a great, we have a video in the piece that shows you're looking up information

about some place you're going and then you open up Google Maps to look at how to get there next to it, right and It's like really or like email where you have your email list on the one side and then your messages opened on the other It's like, oh, yeah, that I totally get how that makes sense and why that would be a better experience and why they're like totally get how that makes sense and why that would be a better experience and why they're like, so if it spans or if it's like two apps next to each other, it's using this idea of two separate spaces in a way that is very clear and deliberate and I think that's like has not been made clear and deliberate in other devices that do the same thing, right, that like open up. Yeah, I think, you know, to that point, like when I saw someone flip an open turn it to the side

and hold it like a clamshell device with using the keyboard on the bottom screen and the top screen, I went, oh my God, this is an Nintendo DS. And there's a reason why the Nintendo DS was such a hit. It wasn't because it was a vertical screen. It wasn't because, essentially, that's what the iPhone is, right?

Like, it's a really long screen. And the DS, if you were to like, remove that bar in the middle, it would made one really long screen. And the games that were successful on the DS are not like iPhone games are successful because there is a bar in the middle, because it does close,

because it does close because it creates two separate environments. So you can have the top environment before consuming and the bottom environment be for interaction or inter like we're like input pun intended. And it made me be like, oh, I would love to watch Netflix on the top screen and chat with someone who is also watching Netflix like my husband when we're away from each other, that would be such a fun way to spend two hours. And I don't do that on my laptop and I don't do that on my phone. And it's just not a paradigm that exists for me at the moment. But something about having those two interaction environments makes that an application that like is

feasible for me. And like, I think, you know, it's kind of surprising that Nintendo had such a huge hit on his hands with the DS. And then nobody ever like went back to that well. You know, I mean, like nobody ever was like, Oh, yeah, two screens. That's a good idea. Like we just didn't think about like we just immediately went on to like iPhone, like no screens, no buttons or one to no buttons, no, no, no interaction, except for your finger. Yeah, I mean, I think it's, you know, listen, this product may be a total failure. And I think from a consumer perspective,

there may not be a huge audience for this particular thing. And I've talked to some people Microsoft, you know, who've said about this device, who said like, we know, we know this is like not necessarily like, you know, we're not trying to be like, this is an iPhone competitor. And good, there is an iPhone. It is very popular. Do something else. And that's what I like. And I think that, you know, I think that the, they're trying something different. And this is what they did with the original surface

and like, listen, the original surface is kind of sucked. And it took a couple, it took a generation or two of that design to start for it to make sense. And like I, as a person who recently purchased a new surface and uses it every day as like my main computer and doesn't even think about my Mac anymore for the most part. You're a service guy.

I'm a service guy. I do think like it, you know, for lots of different reasons, they arrived at a place from a design standpoint. I do, I still am annoyed about like lap use. I still think it's like a much worse lap experience, but the amount of time I'm spending like with the surface of my lap is actually very low, especially now that I'm at home.

And I'm like, I've got two separate work spaces that I use. But to the- No product is perfect, but at the end of the day, when Google makes a new pixel every time I think, okay, so it's trying to be the iPhone, but I have an iPhone and I'm already bought it on that. This is Ray wrote this great piece about what Google needs to do to kind of reboot the Pixel project.

And I actually think like they should be going weird. They should be going more Google. They should be going more experimental. And like this to me is like, this is experimental, but not in the way that like, like the sample, you feel like with the fold, Samsung was like, we can make a folding display. And so let's make it and show people that we have this like crazy display. And they didn't really know why it's a gimmick

rather than like an Apple design. And it was kind of like rushed out and felt like a rushed product and broke accordingly. And this feels a little bit more like, I think it feels like they know a little bit more what they want to do with this and why it exists. And it is like an experiment. And you know, they're like, let's see what happens.

And I'm sort of like, you know, I'm into it. I'm here for it. And like also, I like the fact that I can use my surface panel in this. That's pretty exciting. Yeah, you're never going to create an entirely new product category without like trying some stuff. So like, I'm very happy to see someone trying some stuff. I like and I said to Ray, I was like, what does this do better than anything else? And he didn't have

like a super clear answer. But as the longer I sat on that question and like after the piece and I was thinking about it over the last couple days, it's like, it's okay that we don't have an answer because this does enable other stuff and we'll find out what that is. And this doesn't have to be like the big like blockbuster product that changes the world in its first like version. Like it probably shouldn't. Like let's put it out there and see what people figure out for it. Right. One thing I'll say, do they not include a micro SD slot on this? I don't have them either. I think that's a big mess on a product like this. That's very disappointing.

I feel like that would have pushed this over the edge for me. If it is for an at home phone, like it's an at home device, I mean, you're on Wi-Fi and everything's in the cloud. Like, I'm not saying it's a great, it's great. It's obviously sucks, but I'm like so worse. I'm literally sitting here thinking about pre-ordering it, which I definitely should not do. Yeah, definitely don't. Like, I definitely should not do. But wait for career too. Everybody's happy when they get version two. Yeah, I don't know. They should have called with the career.

Oh, God, I just called it the career because in my mind that is what I call it. Sorry, the Surface Duo 2. God, do you remember? I mean, probably not because you were like doing it professionally. I saw the career video and I, like, I captured my imagination for so long that I was like, God, I want that. I wish that was real. I wish that was happening. And Microsoft's like, it was such a specific moment for them to be like, no, we're not doing that because it was like, God, I want that. I wish that was real. I wish that was happening. And Microsoft's like, it was such a specific moment for them

to be like, no, we're not doing that. Because it was like, I don't feel this way about anything you make, including the Xbox. So like, just make the career. Yeah. I went about the fuck out of that. Oh, God. Those were the days, man.

Those were the days. What else is going on? What else is happening out there? What else happened this week? It's been a crazy week. Feels like it's flown by. I remember every Tuesday is like, I'm like, it's Tuesday.

That doesn't seem right. It feels like it's always Tuesday. Now it's where all, just it perpetual Tuesday. No, I mean, I feel the weekend creeping up. I mean, I'm like, I'm going to have a weekend, you know? I think I use the weekends more now than I used to. Yeah, I see that. I mean, I do value them more than I ever have because it's not like I can go out

with my coworkers to a bar after work. Like when I have time to like do anything that's for me, I'm like, oh, hell, yeah, fuck you. Because during the week, I'm not kidding. And this isn't like even really a complaint. It's just my life now is mostly work and like I do watch TV at the end of the night Like you know in the watching episodes of something with John But my life at this point is just work. So like weekend is like a time to force stop that

And so yeah, it is valuable. I think I lose in my voice. I can't tell what's going on But like I my voice getting very scratchy. Sorry. I think I lose in my voice. I can't tell what's going on, but like, my voice getting very scratchy. Sorry. I mean, I'm just saying, if I suddenly sound like garbage, that's because my body is rebelling and doesn't want me talking, which is probably, makes a lot of sense, actually.

I thought that maybe we should talk about the Billie Eilish thing, because it's just so funny. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, Billy Eilish didn't add for Deutsche Telecom about Gen Z's phone addiction. And like, you know, I get it, I'm an old man, you know, so I can't really speak on these matters without getting called a boomer.

But it's like just funny because it's like, our phone addiction is good, says Billy Eilish and this huge company that literally their business is like thriving because of your phone addiction. And that's the thing is like if Billy Eilish had existed in the 90s and had even collaborated with like Pepsi, people would be like, go fuck her. And like whatever. And instead she's like, in nowadays she creates a short film where she's like, in fact telecoms

are good things and they're your friend People like Queen yeah Remember when Fiona Apple went on stage with the VMAs and told everyone that the whole thing was bullshit like I don't want Yeah, I don't I don't want to be the Gen X guy, you know I feel like I'm like selling out isn't cool, you know And like when things are really popular sometimes they're really good But often it just means that they suck and are for you know, and like when things are really popular, sometimes they're really good, but often it just means that they suck and are for, you know, everybody and that's not cool.

But like, and now I feel like it's uncool to think that it's uncool to sell out, which is a weird, I mean, the way I see it, and I don't wanna be that guy, harshing on your generation, but- Yuck in your yum. Yeah, I don't wanna yuck your yum, the worst phrase ever created, which I believe is a phrase, but- Yeah, I don't want to yuck your yum, the worst phrase ever created,

which I believe is a phrase, but millennials created. But the idea, like all of this stuff, like when like, like Lilliyati does the sprite add, it's like, that's just corporate culture convincing you that like, if you think that like, if you think that like, if you think that like capitalism is bad, and that like the old people in power

need to have that power stripped away so we can find a better way to exist as a society. If you're like a Bernie bro, and yet you're like pro, the fucking Billy Eilish ex-Dochitelicom ad that like encourages phone addiction. It's like you just are your priorities are all fucked up. It's a philosophy of accepting the,

it's like these brands are inevitable, so be happy that she was chosen. Right, it's like, yeah, it's like, I don't think they're inevitable. I get it's like, I get that money. Like I understand that, but the money's coming from the people who keep you down. It keeps in a form of capitalistic bondage, you know? And like, by the way, before Kanye

completely lost his shit, he talked about like the fashion world and his relationship with it, and the relationship that the culture had with the fashion world that his culture had with it. And like, I thought it was really a fucking interesting, like, I was like, like, he's saying saying stuff that other people don't say and that's really exciting. Kanye West is like aggressively Gen X in my opinion like his whole vibe is very Gen X and like and that was like when he wasn't completely insane that was really fucking interesting because there weren't a lot of like there weren't a lot of people in pop music saying the shit that he was saying which was like reject some of the shit that we're told is what we should desire, right?

Well, it's the Lady Gaga transition from that, right? So Lady Gaga was like ironically tongue in cheek being like, I love fame, I love brands, like I'm gonna wear a curmud dress, like being as tongue in cheek about it as possible. But the problem with that is it's sort of like ironic racism where at a certain point you are just doing collabs with beats. It's at some point like you're like a fake representative of Polaroid for no reason, you know?

Yeah, exactly. And, you know, so it's like, anyhow, so like I, you know, Abilia Eilish, she's talented, she's very interesting, she's, whereas big shirts, that's great. You know, I think She certainly spends a lot of time on upkeeping that hair. I don't know. Yeah, she keeps that hair cut. I but I think um You know, but I think that like I don't know. I just feel like um

I think we can do better. I want our I want the pop artists to do better. And come up with like more like- I want Gen Z to get like a core belief and stand by it. Cause right now like they're just nihilistic chaos and like laughing at the world burning and like I totally got that impulse. I get what you guys got there. But my generation even for all are like

simple ring faux earnest, like fucking mason jar, doggo culture, and as annoying as we are, we do like deeply, deeply want to fix things and try. And I wish the Gen Z would like help us try. Well, I don't think, I actually do think, I mean, to the point of the Billy Eilish ad, well, my voice is somewhat come back, which is maybe it's Billy Eilish's influence

on my existence. To the point of that, I do think what she's saying is not entirely inaccurate, which is there is a big component of young people on their phones and on the internet that are doing things that give me hope for the future. You know, I don't think it's just a wasteland of people, of people who are like just watching TikTok and making TikTok and that's all they care about.

I think there is a huge component there, but what generation didn't have a little like shit posting and totally like that. I mean, but also like take, so I've been looking at TikTok a lot lately. Obviously for many, we different reads. I think we talked about this last week. There's some truly really brilliant creative people on TikTok doing things that are like, I'm like, that's fantastic. Like this is a fantastic piece of art or a miniature movie or like just a funny weird way to use

the medium and I'm like, or is like very provocative like use the medium. And I'm like, or is like very provocative, like politically or whatever. And I'm like, that's fucking great. And like people are really using this medium in a way that feels like good and special. TikTok, TikTok creatively hit the right notes that I also Twitter hit, which were just enough constraints so that it's fun to, it's a challenge

to create something out of it, but also just enough freedom that you can make anything. It's the reason why coloring inside the lines can sometimes be way more fun than just making whatever you want. Like you do need restrictions. Artists and creatives should have boxes like that they have to work within.

And if a song, if a three minute song is an artificial restriction, because you could make any sounds, they don't have to be like, they don't have to be notes and they don't have to fit within three minutes. But a three minute pop song is a format and look at all the creative things we've done with it.

A TikTok is a new format. It's like, it has to be this length. It ends, it's a femoral and it sort of just pops up out of nowhere and it needs to get its point across in those specific ways and you have usually very low like production budget to make this thing. And so like, it's a totally new format and it succeeds on like that merit because it's for a whole generation of people have found a new fertile ground to make Stefan that nobody did yet. Yeah.

And that's fun. That's the most exciting thing. Yeah. And I think so anyhow, but the point is the ad is bad for many reasons. And it's not Billy Eilish's fault. You know, again, get that money, et cetera. But like, I also think it's always good to point out that like, I'd sell him out to Deutsche Telecom is like not that cool. And if Billy Eilish really wants to make a statement about her generation,

there's like, she's an artist who has a huge platform and there's many ways to do it. And she has done it here and there. But you know, it's just like, it's just cringey to me. It was just like a very cringeworthy. Like it's just like, at some point, aren't we going to go? Aren't we going to square? How do we square like what we are spending our time on with what we believe?

Well, how do we square with like, yeah, that, but also how do we square this idea that like we're like cheering on the sell out when and yet like, we wanna break the wheel of gas. Right, yes, exactly. You want to change the structure, the power structure and all that shit and yet like you're still like, we're still like going like, oh, do the sprite at, you know? And it's like, I'm not saying sprites a problem,

like whatever, it's a drink, but you know, like these are like large corporations that control a lot of like, believe me, the people on the Coca-Cola is I think is the spright owner. You know, you check out the people who are in the board of Coca-Cola and the shit that they're involved in and ask yourself if you think that brand is a good brand to align with. And the reality is like, you'll find that it flies in the face of everything you value politically and culturally and socially. And so like, at some point you just kind of,

I don't wanna be an old guy being like, you know, fight the power or whatever, but you just gotta swear that. I think people believe that. I think that they're just not very good at sticking to it or seeing it or maintaining like, because people rejected the Kendall Jenner Pepsi ad, right? Like, I think.

Yeah, but that was because it was so it was just so outrageously embarrassingly like but with they have rejected it. Yeah, would they have rejected it if at the end of it they were like for every Pepsi purchased we're donating this to Black Lives Matter. And we need to make a difference. Kendall Jenner will be doing a tour around the country, giving educational courses about

Black Lives. It's like, that would be good. And it would get them a quote unquote pass. But in fact, Pepsi will never actually do anything meaningful to change the system because it is wildly successful in the system. So like, at what point do we, like, at what point do we not give any of this shit a pass? Like Billy Eilish comes off as really authentic. And so it gets a pass, but like, it isn't authentic.

It's made by a telecom to sell you on using your phone more. Yeah, I mean, I, it's also like just a single thing to me is it's, it was cringey to watch, but it's not even that big of a deal. And so we've spent a lot of time on them when it's not even that big of a thing. But it does speak more to like the moment in history that we're having going back to our political conversation from the beginning of the episode. And it's like, you want to smash the system and fucking break up the way things were and like change how we think about caring for

people and being with people and taking care of our, of our, you know, brethren in our countries and all this stuff and like, and then it's like, but you also wanna get paid by Deutsche Telekom to like, show for their shit and you wanna like, do this bright commercial and you wanna like, and it's like, you wanna get that fucking cash, you wanna like, that's the reason why like,

the Jake Paul's of the world, even fucking exist. You know, so much of like what you see on like, so much of world, even fucking exist. So much of what you see on, so much of the influencer culture is just capitalist culture. So much of it is just a pursuit of money and goods and experiences that are like what a capitalist society holds up as the end game to your fucking labor. And meanwhile, we're paying people

like less than minimum wage to work in Amazon warehouses where they don't have fucking health insurance. And people are coming in with fucking COVID and they're making people sick. And we have a government that doesn't take care of its citizens and we have fucking that are all in the pocket of fucking corporations that are literally,

like Trump is doing policies in alignment with these corporations. You're fucking people like the NRA that are supporting the murder of Americans, so they can keep lining their pockets with money from these fucking gun makers. And we're supposed to sit here and be like, look at these fucking Jake Paul motherfuckers on TikTok

or on fucking YouTube or wherever, and go like, yeah, that's the life That's what I want when it actually is in support of all of the things that we actually that we need to fucking destroy You know, I'm not saying I don't like nice things. I do you know, I have nice things I buy nice things and I've like worked really hard to get them and there are and I and I believe that hard work can get you there Right, and I think that that's not a bad thing to be able to like, work hard, make money, have nice things, completely fine pursuit.

The question is like, do we have we created a structure where... More of that is happening or less than that. Where a lot more of it is happening than it's ever-nertainable goal and that if you can't attain that goal that you can still have a great life, and the answer is no, we've created a structure where 1% of all of the people, I mean, whatever, you can call it 1%, you can call it 8%, whatever the number is, are in control of the money and have life's pleasures available to them. And 99% or 92% or whatever the number is, it's a big fucking number are struggling.

You know, I was reading a thread today on Twitter of people posting on Reddit about their financial situation, people who've lost their jobs, who have families, and every one of these posts was like fucking heartbreaking. And we are in one of the richest countries in the world. We have more billionaires, I believe, than any other country in the world. We have people who have made enormous profit off of this pandemic. And yet, you know, we any other country in the world. We have people who have made enormous profit off of this pandemic. And yet, you know, we still...

We have a country where you're essentially not allowed to get cancer. You're not allowed to do that. And yet we can't figure out a solution to distribute the, and I don't mean distribute the wealth of people become, you know, lazy consumers. I mean, distribute the wealth so people can fucking eat and take care of their children and have fucking healthcare.

Basic shit, have housing, have mental healthcare. Like basic things that you should do in a society and a functioning democratic society. And so I guess like the Billy Eilish thing is a very small piece of this. But I do think that we've created a, I mean, Facebook and Instagram and, you know, have created, helped to create an altar that we pray at to the most empty, hollow, bullshit ideals of humanity, which is like, get rich, fucking party hard, die young, whatever it is.

You know, and it's like, that's not, like, so there is an emptiness to it. There's an emptiness, and I'm not saying it's this generation's emptiness. Every generation has the emptiness. Gen X, there were just as many people who were fucking loving, like, Republican-ass bullshit, you know, nuclear family, fucking Britney Spears, no offense. You know what I mean? Like, pop culture and pop products that had nothing to do with like the you know actual essence of humanity. And anyhow, like I get it every generation has fucking vacant assholes who don't care. Yeah, I'm of the reality, well, the Kardashians are a great example of a pursuit of nothing, of wealth and opulence and pleasure

that doesn't take into consideration like reality for other people. And we built, we built a fucking system where- Also wealth and luxury to the degree that it becomes meaningless and not the way up. We've built a system where Jeff Bezos can get richer and richer during a pandemic.

When millions, tens of millions of people have lost jobs, have no money, no money coming in. The government says, fuck you, if you've lost a job, we're not going to stop. We're going to stop giving you money. They say, giving you money keeps you from going back to work. And yet there are no jobs to go back to and they know it They know it where you have people who have families that are making decisions about like if they pay the electric bill or if they eat and and yet outside of that

we've built an ornate altar that we pray at 247 to a lifestyle that is unattainable for 99% of the people and that is enjoyed by people who would do everything they can to keep that 99% down. And so like there is a disconnect and there needs to be a bigger fucking disconnect. That to me is the reason why you see the protest that we've been seeing, that you see fucking

people smashing the windows of stores, that you see people setting that we've been seeing, that you see fucking people smashing the windows of stores, that you see people setting shit on fire. Like there is a justification, which is like the system is broken. And like so much of it is connected, so much of the broken stuff is connected, and so much of it is engineered to hold people down. Like at some point you have to say enough.

And so like yeah, Billy Eilish is commercial for a fucking German telecom company. It doesn't really matter that much. But it is indicative of this world and this life and this viewpoint that I think we need to come crashing down to some extent. And like, I'm mainly hoping that Gen Z, the thing that they are talking about in this ad, where they're like, you know, Gen Z being addicted to your phone is good. Like keep doing stuff on your phone. You're making change, actually sees through that message and figures out like where the change actually can happen

because we need, we've been abandoned by previous generations. The generations that built this wealth will do everything they can to protect it. And those are the dead and the dying who want to pass it on to their children, the Jared Kushner is of the world. Those are people who would like nothing more than to put you under their fucking boot heel. And so like, you know, like that is the thing that we have to fight

against and we have to think about. We have to put in our brains when you see the fucking crafts capitalist, like capitalist consumerism that is sold as an ideal lifestyle. And I think I've ran it about this for too long. But anyhow, what I'm saying is smash the system, wake up sheeple, and take the red pill. What radicalized you, Billy Eilish's ad for a phone. Yeah. But for real.

Actually, that's a good tweet. It's a really good tweet. And then just a screenshot of her shillings for Deutsche Telecom. All right, we got a wrap up now. We've got, we've got a very long, that was something nice. That was a long ass rant. I feel like that rant was good though. Like I'm feeling, I feel, I feel clenched by the rant.

You're mad as hell and you're not gonna take it any more. I am mad as hell. I want, you know, gamers rise up is what I'm saying, you know? All right, let's do this. Good things. What do we call? Nice things. Good things. Nice. We have a feature. We have a good, good, good fine. Now I'm getting confused. Let's do nice things. Go ahead. You go. Oh, so this week I'm going to eat some of my own words and eat my own shit. I purchased the razor key sheet, which is a controller for your Android phone that plugs into the USB C slot.

It's not like a Bluetooth controller. It's like a little shell that goes around your phone. This is for pro gamers. Yeah, this is for psychos like me. And they put out an Xbox version that had all the buttons you'd need to like use X Cloud or Game Pass, maybe the official name up there. I don't know. Oh, this is nice. Yeah, it's amazing. It feels fantastic. It has been playing games on my phone. Feel great. And frankly, what phone are you what phone

are you plugging in here? Pixel. Okay. So does it work? It works with most. Are they make it for the iPhone too? The iPhone one isn't out yet. Right, but they make it, they make it for, they make it, does it matter? Are the buttons the same? They just have the Xbox logo on the one that, I mean, it's the same thing, right?

Yes, I believe so. Like there's no difference between the regular Android one, which is $80 and the Xbox one, which is $100. It comes with the Xbox buttons pre on there. And I think it also just integrates directly with the, you don't have to like map the keys or anything in the Xbox app. But I played with the Xbox app.

And frankly, maybe I'm not eating shit because I never said Xbox is streaming was bad. I said, stadio is bad. Stadia is bad. Stadia is bad game. It has bad games. So when there are good games on streaming and I can play them on my phone with a controller,

guess what? I fucking love that. That's great. So you're feeling like you are enjoying the experience of putting your phone in here and firing up Xbox, whatever it's called, and playing games with. It's basically playing a switch with Xbox graphics

while I watch TV. It should be like the best graphics possible, right? Yeah, it's incredible. And frankly, Microsoft has cracked the damn code, because I don't feel lag, and I am someone who, I mean, there's some lag because it's a modern game, but I am someone who purchases original hardware to play on a CRT with an original controller

because I hate lag that much. So if I like it, it's probably pretty good. And so I just have to say like everybody out there, definitely PlayStation 5 is ready to go. But Xbox game streaming, maybe you don't need to buy the Xbox this time around. You just get the streaming pass. So you're in like the beta right now, right?

Yeah. Dude, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna join the beta. Yeah, it's good. It's sick. It's basically like having a Netflix for really good games. This is actually in your phone. I'm actually going away for a couple of weeks and was going to take my PS4. I still may take it. We're going to stay at a house,

takes out on a little summer vacation, attempted a summer vacation. You got to have good Wi-Fi. You got to know that it's good to have internet. Well, yeah, I'm still taking the PS4, but this is kind of like, maybe I should also do this. I mean, I could just chill in bed and play Xbox. Like, that's exciting. Yeah, and what's even more exciting is that some point five g-phones are going to come out.

And then you wouldn't need Wi-Fi. Like, you'll just be able to do whatever. Like, game streaming, I've always been critical of it because I love physical hardware. I love owning my games on physical media. I love knowing that it is playing locally and I don't have to like have an internet connection if the internet goes out or if I'm on the subway. Like that, there will always be a place for that.

But I'm being sold on this more than I thought that I would be. So wait, what is this? So there's, so I'm looking at the tiers. They have ultimate, I'm looking at the tears they've ultimate I'm looking at the At the game pass thing. What you are calling it. Yes. Xbox game passes. Only it's how many games are are there any good games in here? Oh my god. The games are awesome. They're so good. Yeah, they're all They're new releases and everything coming out for the Xbox series X will be available on streaming day and day Oh from Microsoft Studios, at least. Yes, everything that you've seen of every Xbox launch game so far will be day and

date released on the streaming surface. I mean, they got some, uh, some Yakuza here. I see. Have you played this game? Yeah, Yakuza. Yakuza, Kewami, too. Mm-hmm. I know what it is.

I know I can't follow the Yakuza series. I bought like Yakuza. You could just pick them up wherever. I bought one of them. You can just get it. You know, whatever. Oh, a plague tale. I would like to play that. I've been thinking about playing that. What do we have here? Let me see. Blair Witcher here is very good, actually. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I did by day like, oh, dead cells. Well, I mean, I played dead cells in my switch. Deliver us the moon is quite good. I've been playing on my on my PC, but that's interesting. I play it here. It's good. I mean, I'm kind of like stocking apart. I got a little bit bored, but like it's good. I've never played any of the gears of war games. So maybe it's

my chance to start. Don't play. They're fun. They're fun. I mean, here's a word halo or exactly what you think they are, but they're fun. I mean, these are all games There are a lot of games here. I would play yeah, if I didn't have to buy them PlayStation now Yeah, I mean, oh, they have no man sky. Wow I mean, these are games that I definitely have played or would play if I did and if I didn't have to actually like Pay for them for sure $20 a month and the amount of money I have spent. $15 a month.

It says $15 a month. Oh, well, maybe I rounded up in my head. Oh, they have you. Oh, so they have. Oh, wait, no. Very affordable. And frankly, like the amount of money I spend on games, I probably would be better off just paying

a yearly fee for streaming. Oh, so wait a second. So this, how this works is, if you get the ultimate package, it's all the PC games and the console games. Yeah. And interesting. And yet $15 a month. I mean, I definitely shouldn't do this. It's a bang and deal. But oh, I should say when you order the Reza Kishi Xbox version, you get two weeks of Xbox streaming free with it. So really great to try it out with that. But yeah, it's sold out. The key she sold out, I should not be spending money on things like this. You're killing me.

Sorry. You're killing me. Oh, it's available. Nope. Sold out. I just wonder, oh, God, so mad. I wish you to tell me about this sooner. No, no, there's going to be any good. Is this a pre-order? No, that's the iPhone one. It's the pre-order. The Xbox one is out. Yeah. No, this is USB-C on Amazon says it's a pre-order. I got one sold out. It's sold out on the Razer website.

Yeah. Razer send me a key sheet. I'll review it. What I'm quote review it. Anyhow, well, that's very interesting. Very good, very good, nice thing, in my opinion, very good. Now I have to have one, right? Isn't that the how it goes? That's how it goes. Okay, I'll tell you my nice thing, which is maybe related to it's actually

related to a bad thing. So, you know, I've had very bad back problems and I have been doing physical therapy, which I have to say physical therapy is a pretty wild thing. It just is like you experience things that you don't expect to experience. But I had this, I ordered intimate physical therapy. Well, it's very intimate. But also, it's like, I don't know how my body works at all. My body is a mystery to me.

I don't know what it's doing, but I found out that there's like, I've been having this insane pain in my arm, and apparently there's a spot, a muscle that I can press, one of my pec muscles, which will make this pain and tingling stop in my arm. So anyhow, I've had this horrible pain in my arm. We found the spot, a muscle that's all tense up, that you can press on, which will stop the pain, which is incredible. I ordered, I've had this horrible pain in my arm. We found the spot, a muscle that's all tensed up,

that you can press on, which will stop the pain, which is incredible. I ordered, I took the plunge and I ordered a Thera gun, which I thought was nonsense, but I asked people on Twitter about it. And literally everybody was like, no, this thing is awesome. You should definitely get it. And it's coming today, I think, and I'm going to use it. And like, I, one thing that I'm learning,

this is my nice thing, is that like, there is a way, like you can actually, you do have control over like how you feel. And knowing more about like how your body works is like this interesting, I mean, maybe everybody knows this and I'm just learning it because I have never done this, is a way to unlock all sorts of, you assume that the only way you can fix something

that's broken is you have to go to a doctor and you have to get pills from them. By the way, I do have anti-inflammatory pills and muscle warlactors and stuff, but more than any of that stuff, what seems to work is realizing that I'm like tensing my fucking shoulders all day long, and then I'm sitting with bad posture,

and that there are muscles that have knocks that need to be worked out and stretched, and if I do that, I actually feel better. Yeah. This sounds really dump to most people. If it's dangerous path to go down though, because then you become one of those yoga fitness people Oh, no, I know I know you need is to bend and flow. I mean I

Wrong they're just annoying. I realize You know that this also is a pathway to like Being an anti-vaxxer whatever. I'm look I fully support doctors and doctors too And I'm and if they're and're like, you need a cortisol injection, I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna get it. And I am getting it supposedly. But in the interim period, while I'm waiting to get that injection,

I'm actually discovering that there are things that I can do that are really good. And one thing is like important is that I have been sitting and working for so long and using such bad posture and having such bad ergonomics I cannot overstate this enough if especially now that everybody's working from home if you work if you sit and work all day at a computer get Investigate how to get your ergonomics right and go and buy the things you need to do that it will make a big fucking difference And like what I've learned is that, you know,

there are, you really do have to take some ownership of like your body and think about the ways that like, that you can personally be responsible for, you know, your own health and well-being. And like I feel like this has just been a trip for me. So my nice thing, I guess, is stretching. No, I don't know. It's like thinking about what your body's doing

and being and caring for it, which is something that I've done a very bad job at. I don't know. This sounds like really spiritual. I feel like we've switched positions usually, because usually I'm the one who's like, my thing is knowing joy and your thing is like I bought this doodab and we switched right right yeah, no well, you know

It's working, you know streamwap We even talk about whap Yeah, what what is there left to say except that is a that is a whap? Yeah, that's what that is a wow. Yeah. That's what that is. Wow.

We stand. We gotta go. Bye. Bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week, but I won't be because I'm taking a vacation for the first time ever in my life. But Ryan will be here with Gaston who is going to be very great. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best, though I've just learned that your family are all cops and they're now resting one another so it's a very nasty situation.

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