Tomorrow - 207: Vaccines and Veganism

Episode Date: September 18, 2020

On this week's Tomorrow, Josh and Ryan discuss their PlayStation 5 pre-orders, Facebook's horrifying vision of the future, and whether or not they'll be getting the COVID vaccine. Put on your Apple Watch, vegans! We're all getting in Penn Jillette's bathtub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Joshua Tupolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss Pendulet, Hellblade, and BBM. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. You know Ray and I are BBM fuckers now. Oh god. We were talking about moving, we should move the whole team off of Slack and onto BBM. Honestly, it kind of rules. Except he's not responding to my current BBMs. They have some really wild like stickers.

It's like pretty cool to BBMs, honestly. They believe it exists. Can you get it on other platforms? I think you can get it on Android. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you can get it on iOS too. Let me see, BBM for Android. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you can get it on iOS too. Let me see BBM for iOS. Yeah, BBM enterprise. I don't know. And BBM.com has has a message. It's just time to say time to say goodbye to BBM. BBM consumer has signed off as an alternative

blackberry is offering BBM enterprise. Anyhow, I love it. I love it. I think it's great. I guess you can't get the consumer version anymore unless you have a blackberry. But I'm thinking about sending everybody a blackberry and, you know, passport or classic, depending on your, you know, what you really want to do, how wide you want to come to identify. Yeah, that's right. You know, the two genders, Blackberry Passport, anyhow, hi, how are you? I'm good, how are you? We're back. This is a very unusual start to the episode, you know?

Yeah, throwing everybody a curve ball. Well, I don't think people are familiar with the fact that we usually get on talk for a while and then start the show. People don't know that before the show begin, it seems like we don't have any plan whatsoever, which is usually true, but we do have an extensive conversation before we actually

begin the podcast, which usually, the way that we start the podcast is usually, we're like, you know, we should just talk about this on the show. Yeah. They were like, let's start recording. But anyhow, clearly, you know, we just started today with a little unorthodox. And I'm loving it. I'm right now looking at the Blackberry Passport. This

is like every six months, I'll like look on Amazon to see if I should just be like, should I buy a Blackberry Passport? But I have to say, I'm mad because they got rid of the thing that I like best about the classic, which is the little track pad, the little touch pad that you can use, which I love. And there's a little like, you get a little arrow like in the browser, like it's a tiny little computer. So fucking good. I really do miss like a physical keyboard.

I understand I would be slower on it, but there's something about the clicking and clacking. I love it. I love it. Honestly, I gotta tell you, I mean, I have been, you know, because I have a blackberry classic that I've been using. I put an actual sim in it and it's like my secondary phone. And I keep finding myself like going back to it.

There's just something about it. I don't know what it is. And honestly, it's crazy because it feels faster than the blackberry key to, you know Key 2, which is their Android phone. It just seems like it works better than that. I mean, I kind of wish there was another, it's sort of a bummer that we're stuck with iOS and Android, and that's it for mobile operating systems.

I know. It just feels like there could be more. You know, I mean we should talk I Switched to a fold to bowl Yeah, I know using a Samsung phone. I've been a lifelong iPhone user. I am your your a fold user. You're a fold man Yeah, I put I got the third gender fold I got the galaxy Z flip 5G Mm-hmm. I like it. I like it. I'm obsessed 5G. I like it.

I like it. I'm obsessed with it. I like using it. I miss when my phone closing. I used it for a day and then took my iPhone out to do something on it. And I tried to close the iPhone like it was a flip phone. And then I couldn't. And I was like, oh, shit.

That's how I cost him to aim to this now. I really like it. There are things I miss about iOS obviously, but I don't know. Android is not as wild west to say thought it would be. Although, God damn, Samsung puts a lot of shit on your phone. Yeah, I'll be honest with you. I was fully around with the Pixel 4 XL

with the new version of Android on it. I think the new iOS is a leaps and bounds in terms of functionality. It's very, very new sort of new vistas for iOS. And that's great. But Android 11, from a pure functionality standpoint, just a pure like getting shit done, how quickly can I do something, how easy is it to do things? It is like a whole other, just,

it's on a whole other level. And the thing is like people don't know because they're jumping through the same, and I've talked about this before. We're jumping through the same hoops on iOS, we've been jumping through forever. And you kind of lose sight of the fact that, well, you get used to doing the work around

as if it's a logical thing you have to do it. No, no, like sharing on iOS is absurdly difficult and time consuming and confusing. And just like this constant sliding, just sliding around of trying to figure out where the thing is. It's, I mean, you know, just sliding around of trying to figure out where the thing is. It's, I mean, you don't realize it, but the actual kind of like under,

some of the underlying UX ideas that were presented like in iOS 7 are still hanging around and they suck. And nobody's really like gotten in there because everybody's kind of used to doing it. And anyhow, so it's, so it's, I'm always like sort of impressed and surprised when I go back to Android. And I'm like, oh God, it's good.

I do agree Samson puts a bunch of shit on their phones, it's like totally unnecessary. Oh my God, it took me, I gotta say, like three hours to get logged into everything. Then I had to put another two hours just sitting on my couch, like turning it closer to the pixel experience. Because obviously the software on the pixel

has never been the problem. I did message you at like one night randomly because I was closer to the pixel experience because obviously the software on the pixel has never been the problem. I did message you at like one night randomly because I was playing with the pixel and I was just like, I hate this film. I hate how it feels. I do not like the hardware, but I love the hardware on this, but I don't, it feels so great.

I have like a D brand dark wood skin on it. So it looks just like classy as hell, like a little compact. The pink is beautiful, but the Samsung just put so much cruffed in there that like I had to just go out and like delete as much as I could of their pre-installed crap and disable all this stuff and like turn off, like they still have the like button, the digital like buttons as part of the screen at the bottom, which like with the gestures you don't really need that. Why is that there?

Why do we have like a, it's just ugly and like, there's just so much stuff to disable and like, and like reconfigure, but the beautiful thing is on Android you can. That I wasn't really, I was never living with options like this before, so. Yeah. It's nice, I like it.

I, you know, I'm probably still gonna get the new iPhone when it comes out, but I really do like it. And I love, you know what? The foldable thing. It's great. It's great. I like it.

I think it's good. Obviously, it's not for everybody. And it's not like totally there yet. But I think it's good. I like how small my phone is. And when it's open, I don't really notice that there's like a little, you know, a little crease in the middle. Like I don't really notice that.

I think that's great. Yeah, I mean, I don't see myself going to a foldable Android phone anytime soon, just for lots of different reasons. I mean, obviously I'm not going, I'm not going to switch full on back to Android because now I'm in like, you'm in iOS and I message world. And that's it for me. I'm done now.

I'm retired from full time switching phones. But I do like to have a second or third device laying around. That's the guy doing BBM. This is the guy who's literally pricing out a blackberry passport, as we speak. But I will say, but I mean, that's the thing is like, I think there needs to be, you know, actually what I've been doing with the Blackberry is like, I only have my personal email on there. And I haven't really, it's really like a phone for when I'm not working. And it's

actually really nice, you know. And when I'm not really like and it's actually really nice. And when I'm not really doing much except some email and maybe some text messages and maybe a little BBM with Ray, and maybe browsing Twitter a little bit, though I'm increasingly getting just so bored and frustrated by looking at Twitter. What do I do with my devices when I'm not working? Very little, to be honest with you. Well, that's why I like the foldable.

First of it's smaller. I think I do think the like smaller foldable is the way to go, because if I want a tablet experience, like I'll pull the iPad out. But I like that when it's closed and to the side, I can't glance over without like tapping on the little screen. I can't like see notifications or be distracted.

I just it's a way and like I really do value that because if it wasn't for that like I would just be on Slack all day long like all night long like I would never leave it because it's just there and you feel like you should and what if you miss something and I do like that like it's like physically away from me and Also, I love sassily closing it when I'm done with the phone call. Right, well that's the nice thing is that, you know, you can just slam a shut

when you really wanna send a message. I mean, you're really sending a message to yourself, but you know, that's important. Or to John. That's the important thing. Right, to John, exactly. So, Big News, Big News this week. A lot of stuff that happens. Oh my God, what a week.

I mean, forget about my Blackberry obsession. Let's talk about, I mean, what do you want to talk about first? There's so many. I mean, there's another small company that was doing stuff Apple, I think they're called. They've got new iPads and Apple Watches. And I love it. I'm loving it. They've got a very long and Apple Watches and I love it. I'm loving it.

Very long presentation and they explain to us that the new iPad Air is more powerful than the iPad Pro, which is a little confusing. Very confusing. Very confusing. And you can use the pencil on it, right? Yeah. And it adopts the like, you know, tiny bezel design and all the gestures or whatever. And it's got a ID now

Which we're very excited about you. Well, I'm very excited about I'm very excited about touch ID I mean yes, so there's a new iPad which is the cheap now. It's the whatever the cheap. They've so many iPads Oh my god, they have so many iPads they have they have the iPad Hold on you could literally draw a box just freehand anywhere in your life and they have an iPad and that's it. First of all, they have an iPad. Number one. Yeah.

That's a product, just the iPad. That starts at a price point. It starts at a... I have to know the dinky cheap is $3.29, $3.29. Then they have somehow weirdly, they still sign the iPad, many ones, the last time they updated this thing. Oh my god, like five years ago. No, I guess it has pencil support, but maybe only Gen 1 pencil support? This is absurd. This is a nonsense. And it's just like, I mean, the design itself, like the

physical design of the iPad mini is five or six years old. No, it's the iPad mini design. I don't think it's changed at all from when they first released it. I mean, I literally have like several versions of these. I like the form factor of the mini. I just think it's like updated or get rid of it. I don't know. Maybe they're selling a lot of them. I don't know. At any rate, so they have the iPad, they have the iPad mini.

What does the iPad mini start at price wise? That's an affordable. I'm going to give you a number here. It's going to start at $ start at 399 so the iPad mini More expensive is more expensive than the base model iPad 399 for the iPad mini correct correct, okay, then we have the new iPad air which is basically the first gen No, sorry the second gen iPad Pro 11 inch, which I have, that's my iPad that I use.

Yeah, but in fun colors with a new processor. Fun colors are the new processor, and it's like 0.1 inches smaller. 10.9 inches display instead of 11 inch, you know, whatever. instead of 11 inch, you know, whatever. You know, so then there's the iPad Pro, which is less powerful than the Air. Well, I don't know. I mean, is that correct? Let me look at it. Let me do a comparison.

It is. It's a lot of iPads. I'm gonna compare right now. And the Pro comes in multiple sizes. I'm gonna compare the I, so they don't have, wait a second, they don't have an 11 inch okay let's compare the iPad Air fourth generation here we go so yeah it's got an A14 a bionic chip as opposed to

the A12Z which is what is in the iPad Pro it only goes up to 256 gigs of storage so that's it's worse there. It has a less good camera, but I mean, honestly, you know, I feel about people using their iPads for photo taking. Yeah, it's compatible with the keyboard thing, the horrible keyboard thing that sucks. I hate it. So what would I say? Which I hate is sucks so bad. It's one of the worst devices ever.

It makes the iPad more useful, but then it also does like things twice as bad as a computer. It really reminds you of how much a not a computer the iPad is. Anyhow, so yeah, so okay, so whatever. They've got a bunch of new iPads. They have this new iPad air in different colors, which is fun.

Certainly fun. I certainly would love to own the green iPad Air. I'm not going to, but I'd love to. Then they announced new Apple Watches. Yeah. Apple Watch Series six and then also Apple Watch SE, which is like a combination of previous generations, but much cheaper.

It's like $279, which is a killer price for now. Watch if you're... It's first sticking on your teen or elderly family member and knowing where they are. Or just being like, I want, you know, the health tracking features and I wanna have, you know, some fun, whatever, be able to take a call on my watch or whatever,

but I'm not like going all in on this thing. But they're still selling these Series 3 as well, which is... Which is selling for $200. So they have a $200 watch, they've got a $279 watch, they have a $400 watch, and then it goes up from there. So the series six adds some important stuff, blood oxygen monitor, and blood oxygen is very important

because blood oxygen is one of the ways that they kind of see if people are having the kind of respiratory issues that are associated with a little something that I like to refer to as COVID-19. But they were, and they're like, yeah, blood oxygen is so important in knowing about what's going on with COVID-19, and so important, and it's such a great time to have a blood oxygen monitor.

But then they're kind of like, but actually this blood oxygen monitor is not for medical purposes and should not be consulted if you're thinking that you maybe have COVID. I mean, my impression is they're kind of like, yeah, we don't really think you should use this for actual blood oxygen monitoring. It's just like a nice addition to your to your health information. And they do this thing, which is okay fine. That's nice. You know, great. There's no illness.

Yeah, wellness. It's about wellness. Then there's me. People definitely they're going to be like, I have COVID. My blood oxygen looks weird. I know. Where people who are going to put them on like incorrectly. And by the way, these aren't medical devices. So the readings. Right. That's what I mean. They're not medical devices. But people are going to be taking their masks on and putting their masks off on TikTok and being like,

see when I put my mask on, the watch beeps and when I take it off, it doesn't beep. Yeah. This is the end, it's to control us, put chips in our brains, because we need a planned-damic, started apple. Planned-damic, man, planned-damic, you know what I'm saying? So I mean, it had a great mean the other day, by the way, about Bill Gates. It was like, it was about like these in-cells

or whatever, who were really into Elon Musk, and it was like, it was like this cartoon, and it was like, you know, one of the meme guys, you know, the crying guy or the other guy. And it was like, you know, Bill, he was like saying like, the vaccine is fake, Bill Gates just wants to use it as a way to put microchips in us.

And then, you know, they're like really mad about it. And then it was like Elon Musk is like, I want to put microchips in you. And they're like, oh my god, Elon, I love you so much. Oh yeah, yeah, I love that. It's like, it is like, it's very, I mean, listen, I'm not doing it justice, okay?

I'm just describing a meme to you on a podcast, which is very uncool. And frankly, I should lose my podcast in license for it. There was people who put together a compilation of Bill Gates, like people writing about Bill Gates on Facebook. And I didn't know that Bill Gates founded Apple and Sony and Samsung. And people don't know, like people don't know.

I was one of the things I was, one of the things I've been like thinking about a lot is like how little people know like what's going on. Yeah, like people don't know anything. They're like just so much stuff is all like weirdly smashed together in people's brains. Like they think that like people think that Sony and Microsoft are the same company. They don't know that like the Xbox and the PlayStation are like actually different things.

It's like I think about it all the time. I know I've talked about it many times in this podcast, but I think about the CNN reporting about Obama's Blackberry, which is like I think I think it's something I think about all the time because they were like conflating the idea of an actual Blackberry with some other device and they were using them interchangeably as if a Blackberry was just a type of thing. And it's like you fucking CNN, you know.

It might be good if you know the difference between those things. It's like one was like a secure device created by the government and the other was a Blackberry. Anyhow, the point is Obama did keep his blackberry. And that's why we have the the American carnage you're now witnessing on the streets of Portland and on the streets of I assume other places. Kenosha, you know, by the way, Trump is tweeting from a an unupdated iPhone. But that still has the button on the bottom? So I swear, I swear we weren't gonna talk about Trump,

but you know what I mean? He said we would. And with all the American carnage app, and it's hard to ignore it, oh, I just found the meme. What? I'm sorry. Hold on, this is really good.

I just wanna share this with you. Just looking at it, it's very good. And you can go check out when this post goes up. We'll put it in the post for you. This meme is good. Sorry. I hate to be laughing about a meme while we're on this. Yeah. I've retweeted this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, but I have to say I love the crying man. He's such a good. The crying guy was like a little stubble in the glasses. He's bald. That's really good. You can tell, you can just tell he's like, yeah, he's like a,

it's like a vegan suburban vegan or something. I'm gonna talk about, we're gonna talk about veganism in a little bit actually, but hold on. So Apple release bunch of stuff, honestly, I feel nothing about it. I feel nothing. I feel I'm not excited. I'm not gonna buy any of it.

I don't need any of it. I don't need any of it. I don't want any of it. I would not, any of it I don't want any of it. I would not I have the series for watch. I think it's great. I get a lot of use out of it I've come around on the watch the first version. I was like this thing sucks. It took four versions later I was like yep, this is good and I like it It does what I need to do. It's fine. I do not need blood oxygen monitoring. I do not need on frankly I've already got too much information about my body. Whenever I check out my heart rate on the ECG thing

or whatever, it's like, inconclusive, I'm like, great. That, you've put me in a worse position now. You're supposed to go like normal heart rate, but normally it's like, when I check it, I'm like, wow, my heart's beating a little fast. You know, I've had like six cups of coffee or something. And it's like inconclusive result. And it's like, okay, great. Like or something. And it's like inconclusive result. It's like, okay, great.

Like maybe find a way to make the inconclusive result a little bit more conclusive. That's just an idea. So that is an all that they announced though. They also announced their fitness plus service, which is the quality of their competitor. Yes, and you're bundling that with all their other services with called in Apple One.

Yeah, I mean, well, people are saying it's a Peloton competitor and obviously it competes with anybody who's selling, you know, fitness programming over the internet, right? Obviously, Peloton is- Yeah, but they still have like a cast of friendly faces where they're like, your trainer is Bob, he loves-

But they didn't steal any- They didn't steal any, like they didn't steal any of like the Peloton people, right? No. Like they didn't steal my of the Peloton people, right? No. They didn't steal my favorite Peloton guy, whose name I can never remember, who I've only ridden with once because I immediately had a horrible injury

the last time I used my Peloton. Peloton, coaches, is that what they're called? Yeah, I think they're called. I think it's like Peloton, coaches salary. Oh, Alex Tussant, that's my guy, love him. See, I'm a Cody Riggs, B-boy. Yeah, I don't know. I don't do that. I Cody Riggs be. Yeah, I don't know Cody.

I'm not familiar with Cody's work. Let me get some. Cody does the like, God God, Disney rides. Oh, really? That sounds very on brand for you. Anyhow, no, Alex is good, man. Alex Tusson's great, but unfortunately, the last time I read with Alex,

I had a horrible injury. And now I'm not a commissioner. Actually, my injury seems to have healed a little bit, which is, and now I'm able to ride a bike. Have I talked about my bike thing yet? I have, right? Three times. Three times. Well, I haven't ridden much lately

because I recently got an injection into my spine to fix my pinch nerve. I'm like, apparently you were very brave. Very brave. I was so brave that I had a full-on panic attack during the procedure and was turning white. They're like, don't sit up because you'll pass out. And they're like, okay, it was like five minutes.

They're like, okay, we're done. They're like, don't sit up, you've just turned white and you need a cold compress. I'm very cool customer when it comes to getting needles put into my neck and spine. They're actually going to my spine, but you know what I mean? They're near the spine. At any rate, so yeah, so Apple announced this fitness thing. I mean, look, it's, it's a, the world has changed.

It may never go back to being the way it was post pandemic. I mean, I don't think gyms are going to experience a, until there's a vaccine, and even when there's a vaccine, like you have to understand this, the flu vaccine that exists now, that we get every year, which by the way, I need to get my flu vaccination. The flu vaccine that we get is only like 60% effective or something, or 70% effective. I'm not sure, on those numbers, I may be making this up. Yes, but if we all got it, and if we all get the vaccine, we can get to a place where it is eliminated. Well, we're not all getting it. Are we? Ryan, we are, we're not, we're not doing that.

No, but so, but so even when there's a vaccine for COVID-19, it will not be, you will not be a 100% guarantee that you definitely will not get a coronavirus, you know? And so I just think we are in a state of the world where things are going to change really dramatically. I mean, you see these, I assume you've read these stories, everybody has heard these stories about like these, you know, a lot of people are moving out of cities and they're moving to the suburbs and like that's like that alone that that's happening at any level of scale is, no, obviously it's just for the blue states where people's lives don't matter according to Donald Trump.

But just in highly populated urban areas, it's actually not just in the blue states, it's all over. But anyhow, the point is, I do think Apple getting into the fitness game in this way makes a lot of sense. They have these, remember they have these Apple U things, which I feel like we don't, nobody talks about, but they exist. Do they still do iTunes U?

I don't know. What is called iTunes U? I don't know. Some kind of like, you can sit in at classes at Harvard, and it was like, guess what? Unless I'm going to get the degree, I'm not doing it. Yeah, well, that's like master class, where it's like, I don't need to hear Aaron Sork and like tell me about how he gets an idea.

I don't think I'm gonna be able to get along. Sometimes I'm taking a dump and I think about Trump. I don't think I'm gonna get like a lot out of that. At any rate. At any rate. Sorry. Okay, so wait, so wait. So I think it makes kind of make sense sort of, I mean, so wait.

So I think it makes kind of make sense sort of, I mean, whatever. I feel like they're just kind of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. It's like news plus. Like, do you know anybody who's, who's grab the news plus? No.

They keep trying to like, they fucking try to get me to open that news app all the time. And then I'm like, they're like, hey, have you tried news plus? And I'm like, they're like, read this Bloomberg article. All you have to is pay $10 a month or something. And I'm like, the Bloomberg article, read this Bloomberg article. All you two is paid $10 a month or something. And I'm like, the Bloomberg article is available

for free on the internet. Like I can actually go open the article online right now. And if I run out of my, if I run out of my three free articles, I can use an incognito browser. So I don't want to like take money out of the hands of great journalists. But the reality is like Apple News Plus is an unmitigated disaster and failure. And nobody cares about it. Because I think people saw the New York Times succeed with subscribers and thought, I'll do that. And without realizing they're not the New York Times. I mean, certain things succeed with subscriptions. Many things can't. The idea that

like, who's paying for the Bundlebers Bizarre digital app? Right. The Bundle is like, Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bund. For the Bund. for the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. For the Bundle. You know, it's a pretty good deal. I guess if you want to read like magazines on your phone, I just think it's out of sync with like how, I think Apple News itself is sort of like in sync with how people read, which is like, I want to see a page full of stories that are like, somebody tells me are important because I don't, I'm not going to go to every website and check them out.

Well, instead of trying to adapt to what the internet is now, what culture is now, how people share information now, and trying to adapt to what it is and improve it and come up with solutions for modern problems, it's taking the old system and shining it up and being like, was this so bad? And you're right, it wasn't so bad. There were in some ways magazines were better,

but nobody's going backwards. So like, instead of doing that, why not like, I don't know, I look at something like Flipward or Google News and like, it just makes a lot more sense to me. But like, you know, Apple, Apple does these big swings because if one of them works, like Apple music, like if one of them works, then they don't get killed by Spotify.

You know what I mean? And they can be a competitor. So they do these big swings because if they're every news, they get like a B3D-O, which does well. So. Right. Yeah, I mean, well, B3D-O, I don't think is doing that well though.

I mean, is it? I think it does well for them because, I mean, it's a loss leader, right? Like they do B3D-O because it keeps a good relationship with artists and like, I mean, it's a loss leader, right? Like they do be 3DO because it keeps a good relationship with artists and like, like, you know, Nicki Minaj does an hour long radio show or whatever and it keeps people like engaged with Apple Music as a relevant brand.

And like, you know, Lady Gaga does like a DJ session once a month for like three months or whatever it is. But like, I think Apple Music itself is obviously succeeding because they've forced it into people's, you know, they've forced it onto people in some way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do think that that's one of the only things they have that they can say, that and like they do those concerts or whatever, I think that they can say like, you know, there is something, like there is something that keeps us relevant or whatever and we're not just the default. Whereas Spotify obviously kills it because they've from the bottom up rethought.

Right. Right. I mean, I just think, I just think, you know, look, the bundle is, the bundle makes sense for Apple for some fundamental reasons. I think it's like a lot of people have Apple Arcade and Apple music and pay for some storage, which is honestly Apple should just give the storage away, but pay for iCloud. Is it just talking that we picked a pay for iCloud? Well, I pay for Google storage, but it's like, I mean, the numbers are, I mean, I can't remember what my numbers are. Let me go to, how do I see my like Google plan? I think for two terabytes from Google and from Apple. And frankly, I have, I think a terabyte in Google's drive and with Apple,

I literally only use it for backups. Yeah, I have, I'm paying a hundred dollars a year for two terabytes of storage on Google. And I've used as of today, 250 gigabytes. Oh my God. So, am I not using it enough, you know? Oh, I definitely use Google Drive a lot. No, no, I use it a lot too. I mean, and that's like my kind of,

I mean, I also have Dropbox, but I think it's just, I think I just have a- I hate Dropbox. No, I hate it too. I hate it too, and it's just, I think I just have a- I hate Dropbox. I hate it too. I hate it too, and it's like, I hate it. It poorly integrates with things, but I mostly use, I do use Dropbox for some things.

Like my screen, like I'm a, I do a lot of screenshot uploading. You do a lot of screenshots for Dropbox. Yeah, well, I'm always like, I'm always, I always gotta like point shit out to people, and I'm like, this is broken. So, you know, it's very important, very important for me people, you know, I'm like, this is broken. So, you know, it's very important, very important for me that, you know, that I'm, I'm able to screenshot

effectively. But at any rate, you know, it makes sense for them because some of their subscriptions are worth paying for and some of them aren't, but they're able to get people, yes, and they need to get people on board with all of them so that they can, you know, justify their service as growth to their stockholder. Well, yeah, so let me be clear. I'm, let me talk to you. Let's talk about, like, but let's get personal, okay? I guess I'm paying for Apple TV, I think. No, it doesn't just come free with every device or whatever.

Maybe I don't know. Maybe I got it free. I might have gotten it free with something, maybe my iPhone or something. Okay, Apple arcade, I'm paying for item not quite sure why. I mean, Zell to play a few games, then kind of I was like, eh, every once in a while we'll look at and maybe there's something like

that she wants to try to like check out. And then she gets bored of it in five minutes. I cloud, I'm paying some money for. I'm paying for Apple music. I'm not paying for Apple news, you know? So what are my options here? I got Apple news for free from Uber as a reward for like when I was traveling a lot, you know, pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. I got like six months free and I opened it one time and I went,

oh my god, this is great. You know what? Maybe I'll be a magazine guy and then we never opened it again. You're like, I'm gonna sit back on my iPad and page through this. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought. And then I'm of course never happened. I'm paying for I'm paying for 200 gigabytes of iCloud storage and I'm not and I've have 75 gigs free right now. And that includes and I have on my family sharing plan. It's me and it's me and Zelda and Laura apparently is not involved in in any way for some reason. So that's a whole lot. She's probably paying a separate amount.

I mean, my guess is Lauren and I are both paying for Apple Music and some storage, which is. Yeah, I mean, this was all easier when I was paying, like when my whole family was on a family plan, but now that we don't speak to each other anymore, like it's gotten very expensive because, you know, you pay for HBO, Netflix, Apple subscriptions, Google subscriptions, YouTube TV, your phone obviously.

That isn't even it. I can't even think of all the fucking things that I pay for, all the stupid subscriptions that I pay for. And so it makes sense for them to bundle it together, but it also makes sense because once you've already paid, because you're like, well, if I'm paying for Apple Arcade and Apple Music, it's basically the free for me to get all this other stuff. So I might do well. Then you're like, why would I sign up for Google Drive? I already have two terabytes of iCloud storage or whatever. Well, that's the top tier, right? You know?

I think I do. I'm going to look at my iCloud account right now. Here's how much I pay attention to it. It's like, I don't even know what plan I have, right? Okay, what are my subscriptions here? My subscriptions are, let me check out my Apple. Am I paying for the family plan on Apple music? I feel like I am because I think Zelda's using the Apple Music account. Apparently I'm paying for Disney Plus. No, yes. Which is, I don't know how that happened. I just recently got scammed into subscribing to Cinemax because we started watching the Nick great show, by the way, highly recommended.

Very depressing. That was filmed next door to my old apartment and I watched the film all the time. So I'm up, God, I'm still paying for iTunes match. I don't even remember what iTunes match does. I pay, what is it? $25 a year. Really?

What does it do? I think it uploaded your old MP3s to give me that. Yeah. I mean, this is ridiculous. This is absurd. So we, that, I got it. Well, no, because then we'll take away the things I've uploaded. That's the thing with Apple is like,

all their shit is kind of like janky like that. It's like, oh, I stopped paying for app, I, you know, for app. I you know iTunes match and now things that were available to me and my Apple music are gone like that shit happens all the time with Apple Okay, so I'm paying for a family plan on on music, which is $15 a month, okay? And I'm paying for Apple TV. No No, apparently I am paying for Apple TV. $5 a month This is insane. I got it. I I gotta get a free Apple TV subscription somehow.

So right there, that's 20 bucks, right? Plus I'm paying for Apple Arcade. Yeah, there you are. Which is another $5. So that's $25, right? Plus I'm paying $3 a month for 200 gigabytes of storage. So what's my number? You're $28? I'm like $28, all right. So what's my number? Your $28?

I'm like $28, all right? So what are my Apple One options? So it's still, actually, so all of the things I'm paying for, I would save like $8. Oh, it actually says this. Wait, is this like, am I logged in and telling me what I'd save? I think that's what it's doing.

It literally is like, it has the middle tears exactly what I have. And they're like, save $8 a month. And it's like, well, I just blew my $8 on cinematics, okay? No, but I get it. But listen, here's the deal. Do I need two terabytes of storage, news plus and fitness plus? I absolutely fucking do not. I don't. I mean, I don't know how are you using

two terabytes of storage on your iCloud? No, I'm using a little over 200 gigs for backups for iPad, iPhone, bunch for the same. Right, I mean. Ons iPhone, John's iPad. Yeah, I guess if we were the whole family, it was backing up to that account,

but still like, I do think the middle plan makes a lot of sense for people probably, you know? Like people like me, at least, I'll probably do that, but I'm not gonna go to the next here. The other stuff is absolutely, I'm not, I don't need it. The only thing that can happen here is that I need more storage, but since I have the eight dollars of savings, I presume that need it. The only thing that can happen here is that I need more storage, but since I have the $8 of savings,

I presume that you'll still be able to upgrade your storage individually, right? I don't know. It's also interesting and confusing. It's very bad, just like everything they've done on the internet, it's like nothing makes any sense, it's very unclear, it's very hard to navigate.

Remember mobile me? Remember ping? Oh, I think about ping all the time. I have all these notes for writing a feature about ping at some point when I have time. Yeah, so it is. They only have two plans. 200 gigabytes or two terabytes. Those are my options. So here's what's going to happen is that if I go to the middle plan and like I put Laura

on the plan as a family member. Well, I still have 75 gigs open. I don't know, we're not storing that much shit in Apple's cloud, I mean, honestly, just pictures, pictures and video, really more than anything. Anyhow, I think the long we've talked through this far too much. The point is that it's an okay deal.

I don't think it's groundbreaking. I don't think it's like, wow, you get so much for so little, you know? And like Apple's made it very confusing to even know like what you're subscribing to. I mean, it's like, like that's the thing is like Apple TV. I was like, oh, I think I got like a deal where it was like, I bought an,

or Apple TV Plus or the fuck's cause. I think I bought like a new Apple TV and they gave me like a year of it. Maybe it was six months. I don't know at any rate. Apple's bad at this stuff. I will be subscribed to the middle tier. I guess. I don't know. All right. There's a lot of other news this week. Let's talk about the PlayStation to two or PlayStation 5. The price is came out by the way. There are 399 for the digital edition, 499 for the real version. And in order to counteract some of that

game pass juice, they're throwing an old PS4 games for free with PlayStation Plus. I... I ordered a PlayStation 5. I... although I have to say, like, I'm not that thrilled about any of the games. I mean, none of the games seem that good to me. Oh, you're not... You're not excited to play Hogwarts legacy Transphobia the game Yeah, I so they had a so they just had an event on Thursday No Wednesday, so I have this week. It's it is Thursday right now, but when you hear this it'll probably Friday if Ryan does what he's supposed to do you know, Zan?

The does what he's supposed to do, you know what I'm saying? Um, the, but so, so on Wednesday, they announced that the PS5 is coming out. It's going to have, uh, order the launch titles. Here are the launch titles. You ready? Spider-Man. I'm reading from inverse.com. Check it out. Our sister site.

This is from, this is old. No, this is from 9.11. So wait, are these even accurate? They have an update to post maybe. There's five launch shadows. So if there are only five, only five, that doesn't seem like enough to me. And one of them is like a kids game. So you're really talking for one of them is the game nobody wants to play. So really it's souls demon souls is a remake. I've never played the original, but I understand this is a game where you die a lot. Yeah, it's like a very difficult game, but it's it's a cult classic and it is. I'm not interested.

It's really. That's fine when you finally do a spider man, Spider-Man miles, Morales. I think, um, which looks fun. Lot of quick time events. It's funny, I was playing Beyond Two Souls last night. I don't know if you remember that game at all. Oh, how? But I was like, this game is interesting.

I played it for the PS4, I guess, back in the day or three, maybe, when it was released. And I never finished it, and it was on sale the other day. I'm like, oh, you know, I'll check it out. And it is interesting, but it's really not very fun to play. John has played until dawn three or four times through. And I played it once and he watched me. He is obsessed with it.

All he wants is a sequel to until dawn. And yesterday they showed that it was going to be part of like PS Plus free PS 4 games or whatever with PS 5. They did. And John, until dawn is a fun game. He was so excited and then he realized it wasn't a sequel. And he was like, well, who could have played that game? What is it? What is it? Just playing it already. What's just a reason? No, it's just like a, it's just like a, they're giving you the PS4 version. No, thank you. Okay.

So, so the Spider-Man game Devil May Cry 5, like whatever. I do not care about Devil May Cry at all. Never played one, probably never will. Astro's playroom don't know what it is, don't care. It's a pack and it's like a, it's their version of a Mario platformer. It's actually a really fun game, but it's like a tiny pack in experience. It's not real game.

I mean, these games suck. Destruction All Stars, whatever. Sack Boy, don't care. Fortnite, don't care. Those are the launch titles. They're bad. Now, where are the Xbox launch titles? Hold on, Xbox.

Oh, they're not good either, don't worry. Okay, so it's like the question we all have to ask ourselves is why am I scrambling to purchase any of these systems? Well, the problem is to give them the benefit, to give the, to play devil's advocate for multi-national billion dollar corporations. Yeah. COVID has really bumped back their ability

to finish games in time. I mean, developers were in abusive crunch like situations to begin with, and to add to that working from home and all the complications and time restraints that that comes with, they had to bump back like most of their launch games. And so people are so mad, because Halo Infinite got bumped back,

but like, I'm the guy, it's like, I don't know, we're in a global pandemic. I think maybe they should have bumped these console releases back, but clearly that wasn't gonna happen. So, well, like cyberpunk is coming out for all the systems around this time, right? It was delayed though. So, November, November 19th, it's coming out.

Yes. So it's not like a launch day. Yeah, but like it's, but I think they're not going to delay it at this point. They're a launch. Yeah, it is, it is November 19th, but that's only the PS4 and Xbox one versions, which you can play on the new consoles. The upgraded visuals like ray tracing and all the stuff isn't coming out. No, no, but what about the PC version? I'm sure the PC version will have it. So I could just play to my PC as far as yeah. Well, basically all of this comes down to if you I mean it always is well, I don't know I don't know.

I don't know if you want to do experience, but I don't know, but I don't know if you know, I have a pretty decent gaming PC. Can it do 4K ray Ray Trace, Cyberpunk 2077? Like, it full graphics, which I assume is what these consoles will be able to do. Yeah. Like, probably will not be that great of an experience. I mean, well, that's why you pick up the RTX 3080. I mean, is that it? Is that all I have to do is pick up the RTX 3080? How much is that selling for? How much is that?

$700 of you can get your hands on one, but I think they're going for like $1,200 on eBay. I won't fuck that. RTX 30 won't fit in my case. I have a, I have a mini ATX case. I mean, I TX. Sorry. It's probably the same size as your case. It's the size of like one of those turkey legs, people eat in theme parks. I love turkey legs. What is that? What are you talking about? I don't have no idea what you just described.

The turkey legs, the people eat in theme parks. What are turkey legs, the people eat in theme parks? Those words don't even make any sense. You've never seen one of these. They're like the size of a human arm and they're really thick. They look like a giant drumstick and people just hold the one end and eat it while they walk around the theme park and they smell like meat and you can smell them from a mile away.

And- All right, I can buy this right now. 729, how long is this card? This is what people tune into this to listen to, right? It's me shopping. This is the day. 285 elevators. So about the PlayStation 5.

I got my pre-order in. I'm excited. I understand that like I'll be mostly playing old games on it for a little while, but I, you know, that would be an early adopter is in other news, other product announcements on the same day of PlayStation, Facebook did a three hour tour of their Oculus AR, VR, whatever. They're doing smart glasses. It was so long and so creepy. They're like basically, okay, so basically they introduced the quest to which Ray really likes. I don't think any moral human being could, well, or just a Facebook product. Well, but, I mean, it's kind of the,

for most people, it's like the only choice. Then don't do VR. You have to have some standards for what you're doing. There's nobody else who's doing it like. I agree Facebook's evil, but nobody's doing a holistic VR package like this. I mean, it just is no one has, is offering a such a complete picture.

I hate to say it. I hate to get them any credit. And don't do VR. And my opinion, either do PSVR or don't do VR then, because they're a terrible comment. Anyway, in addition to their new headset, they're also doing this project ARIA thing, which is terrifying. They're basically, they want to create smart glasses that they're first going to use for testing,

and then they want to roll out to people, which have like cameras all around them, and microphones all around them to map everything in your house, and listen to everything so that they can like deliver you services, and you can like, neural click if you want to hear parts of conversations or tune people out. It's like so weird and it's terrifying. I mean, like the way that the fact that they don't hear it when they're saying it, right? The weird like ways that they phrase things so that they don't come off as like super creepy, like they say user-centric data instead of your private information.

Yeah. Facebook is the last company you want to produce glasses that are on you while you're doing things in your personal life, you know? Like like you do, when I think of the companies that I would be comfortable with who, you know, are going to monitor what I'm doing from like my perspective when it's like, I'm at home or I'm at work or whatever, Facebook is at absolutely on the end of the list. I mean, like, Palantir is probably lower, maybe they're already doing it now. I mean, they're explaining and they're a little thing they're like, so, you know, tech has been able to map the outside world and all of our roads and traffic. And that's been great. We're even

getting in, like, some insight into some store layout so that you can see where you're going before you go there. But what we don't know is what's going on in your home. So what we would like is if you wear these glasses and you take it through your personal spaces, and then we'll be able to more like contextually serve your needs. And it's like, no, no, I don't need you to know what my bedroom looks like to serve me fucking ads for a gay cruise.

I really don't. Well, I mean, it could be good. I have no interest. I'll be honest with you. I mean, people keep talking about the AR stuff. I know I'm sure at some point down the road, I'm going to go, wow, you know what, this is, it turns out this is what I need

and this has changed my life. I do think, I mean, and listen, I'm maybe I'm an old person now. You know, I started this game as a young man and now I'm just a broken down piece of meat. But I don't think I want glasses with like heads up information about what's going on that are like recording. I don't want like a neural click where I decide with my intention that I don't want

to hear someone speaking and then they their voice disappears from my ears. I don't think that that will be good for us. Well, this is what all the Deus Ex series is really about, if you've ever played any of the Deus Ex, all about like, should we modify our bodies and become one with the machine or is that a bad idea? I think it's a bad idea.

Jerry's out. I mean, things have gone so well so far with the way the internet has played out. I was, things have gone so well so far with with the way, you know, the internet has played out. I was like the greatest thing you could do. If you really want to fight for humanity, the greatest thing you could do is figure out a way to destroy the internet forever. Like, I'm sorry, but I think if we just destroy the internet forever, we'd all be a lot happier. If we could just find some way to permanently shut it off. And I say, this is a person who I spent my entire life telling people about how great the internet was.

You know, well, it's like any other drug. We've been taking it and we're like, this is great. You should try this. I'm freaking love doing this. And then, if you're still in the line, you're like, I almost thought, hollowed out husk and all I have is this drug. I mean, I do, I think that's-

And we probably shouldn't give it to kids anymore. Yeah, I think that's right. I think you're right about that. I do, I would say, you know, it has its uses. You know, there's some good stuff on the internet. Anyhow, Facebook is not one of those things. As far as good things on the internet go, Facebook isn't one of them. And so I would just say, you know, I'm not interested in their fucking AR glasses. I do, listen, the thing about VR is like, Oculus is relatively removed at this point from like Facebook, in the sense that like,

I'm sure they're like, but you need an account. You need an account and I'm sure they're collecting data on what I do in the rift or the quest or whatever the fuck they call it. Other quest is what it's called actually. But like I'm also like I don't care I guess. You know I don't care that they I don't care that they know that I'm playing you know Vater Immortal. I also doing VR porn. You're your work habits and when they're tracking your exercise and your personal

Yeah, but I'm not doing I'm not letting them do that. I have access to any of that. How would they get? How would they get access to it? I mean, they have access anonymized to what you talk about in messenger and what you post on your Facebook. I don't talk about any. I don't talk about anything in messenger. No, I know, but I'm saying for the people that do. And so if you start engaging with their products and you're like Well, you know I go in the public spaces in Facebook horizon So of course they're allowed to listen to me there. It's a I'm not going into how I'm not using their horizons Yeah, I'm not doing either and I yeah, no, I get I see what you're saying the rest of humanity is doing it Yeah, I totally get what you're saying. I'm still shopping basically in the background

But I'm still shopping for a graphics card by the way I'm still shopping for a new graphics card, trying to figure out where I'm gonna get the best price on a 3080. Do I need my computer if I have a new I definitely do. I feel like the choice for everybody is to buy a computer. Instead of getting a new console. Sorry, I don't mean to go back to this. That's what Reddit has been telling everyone for you. Well, but Reddit tells it to people in a bad way that is unattractive.

And I think that there's a better way to be perfectly honest. Like PC Master Race is not the message I think we want to send these days. You know, I don't think it sounds very good. I think when I hear the words PC Master Race, I think of Nazis. And like, we have a bunch of real Nazis. I can't imagine why. We have like a bunch of actual Nazis like running the government in America right now. So I'm sorry, I swear I wouldn't talk about this.

But many people are saying, uh, a lot of people are saying if we just cure, if we just create a pure race of Aryan men. By the way, by the way, sorry, getting back to Xbox launch games because we never talked about them. Assassin's Creed Valhalla, not that interested, but more interested than most of the launch games for the PlayStation. Destiny 2, beyond light, absolutely zero interest.

Dirt 5, a small amount of interest, but very, very little. Gears tactics, negative interest. I would say, it makes me less interested in the console generally speaking. Testress effect, flat line of interest, like could take it, could leave it, certainly probably don't see myself playing it anytime soon. Watch Dogs Legion. Fairly interested in playing it would probably enjoy it. It's going to be all over watch. And then Yakuza, like a dragon, pretty interested. And guess what?

Yakuza, like a dragon comes out two days after it's on Xbox, it comes out for PS4 and PC. Oh, fuck yeah, baby. It's not, I mean, there's nothing on the table that's like, I have to play that on the series X, PS5, RTX 3080. Like, we're not there yet, but I also think like launch day versus launch window.

I agree. Is the is the thing to think about? Talk to me by June and whatever games are put out in that like window are for all for the early adopters. The real push for these consoles and the real test if they have good games is next holiday season. Yeah. The other thing is that the Xbox, I don't know how the

the PlayStation, you've done a little bit of thinking and writing on this, the PlayStation has this new bundle, right, it's of games or whatever, and Xbox has Xbox, what do they call it? Gamepad, is it kind of GamePast? I cannot get these straight, but they have a ton of titles. So, the game pass has over 150 titles, including new releases day and date with retail. Yeah, and they have like, it says they're gonna have 40 games that are optimized to take it full advantage

of the Series X. And yes, which is interesting. You get the PC games, you get the Cloud game, and we've discussed this. What PlayStation is introducing is just a way of confusing consumers. It's a way of like muddying the waters for moms and dads who are shopping.

Because they're bundling in with PS Plus, what they're calling the PlayStation Plus collection, which is like some of their bigger hits from the PS4 era for free, for download, while you're subscribed. But they're all games that if you wanted to play them, you already played them or they're available for $5 and a greatest hits like resale or whatever. They're like God of War and like until dawn like things you can get for super cheap already.

And you already know if you want to play God of War. So really this is a I don't know. I'm here for Sony. People love God of War. Is it good? I've never to play God of War. So, really this is a, I don't know. I'm here playing for Sony. People love God of War. Is it good? I've never played a God of War game. I have no interest in God of War. The name itself just kind of turns me off. You would love it.

Would I? I like a good story. I like stories. That's what this is. I like a good story. And it's a story of fatherhood and like epic clashes between like man and religion and There it's just really good. It's great. I'm trying to think of the last truly great game that I've played I would say the last of us to even though I was very

frustrated by the ending and it's whole five All those very very good. I mean horizon zero Dawn. I'm trying to think the last game, I completed. This is not interesting. Maybe it's not interesting. Maybe it is interesting. You know, it's tough to find a good game. There should be somewhere where you can have a list of games that you've played and whether you like them or not. Does that service exist? Steam. or not. Does that service exist? Steam. I don't, I mean, I have my, I don't think I've ever completed a game on my PC. You're trying to get a thousand dollar graphics card. All I do is buy new games. That's your favorite game. It's shopping.

I'm like, maybe this game will hold my hands. Yeah, maybe this game will finally make me forget about reality for a few moments. I'm trying to think of like games I've played the completion on my PC. What are they? Here's games I've recently purchased, okay? You ready? You ready for this? How it gets my um? They don't really make it easy to get to your

Like how do I get to my games? I'm on the I'm on the website It's like just taking my game They don't even have library on here Like this is bad. Yeah, I will say people love steam. I it's not a great. Very bad. No, it's really bad. It's janky. Horrible.

Horrible. Why can't I access my, I just want to see. This is like my public profile. This is very bad. Uh, points shop. That's fun. Home chat support. No, just take me to my library. It doesn't exist. Anyhow, all right. What else happened this week? There were some other news. Wasn't there? What other? I mean, there's TikTok. Every day we get an update that TikTok is

not. It's the TikTok. It's the TikTok. It's the TikTok. It's the tiktok of TikTok, which is the bloodiest company ever. Yeah. I mean. TikTok is probably going to do some partnership with Oracle to establish a US-based ownership of the app, but the largest shareholder will still be by dance from time. It's so whatever. The fact that Trump did all of this because K-Pop teens didn't like him, and the fact that he ended up settling on like approving a deal with his best friends over at Oracle is just Gross everybody's gross. It's so stupid. We just burned through so much goodwill cultural capital with China Which like you can dislike China a lot great cool. I don't like a lot of stuff

They do either or me or us or you know fucking, you know Japan or France or Russia But guess what we had a lot of good will going and we were on a good path towards a non-contentious, non-violent sort of relationship with the other world, superpower, and we're burning through it. Here's the thing, the world is very complex. By the way, Resident Evil 3, I finished. Resident Evil 3, I finished. Resident Evil 3, I finished.

Zombie have not finished, but I've played it a lot. Metro, last light, not finished, Dying Light, not finished. Stanley Parable, I quote unquote finish. I don't know if you can ever finish that. Gone home, I finished. Sekiro, I just bought this. I hate it hate it hate it hate it cannot stand it kind of fun, but kind of hate it Batman Arkham origins did not finish it

Hot Miami Arkham orange it orange. I know I I finished all I finished all of the other Batman games I got this as a free download when I bought like and suck. I'll be out Yeah, I it's not fun. I bought a graphics card like it was like one a graphics card about like five years ago and it's like free archa-mourage and download. Oh of course they did yeah. I'm like okay sure I guess. Like that in Titanfall too. They give it away with french fries. I'm giving it I'm giving it 2.4 hours of my life. So I bought this game Daymare 1999 1998 have you

seen this game? No. It's like a it's like a weird B-movie version of a Resident Evil game, which is weird because they're kind of like B-movie versions of, I mean, they're like B-movie's. It's sort of bad, but sort of good in a way. Anyhow, bone works certainly have not finished. Alan Wake just restarted. Man, I should have even think Carter, this is a game that I always think I'm going to play

and then I really never do This is great, right? I have so many games. Oh, I brought at hell blade. I bought Not really a fan Kentucky root zero never finished disco. Alicia never finished Doom haven't finished Half-life two I have finished episode two I like thinking First off great. I like thinking, first off, great.

I like thinking that you were talking about the original two. The original two. No, no, no. On his team 2016. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,fensteins, which are great, or Wolfensteins have been on who you talk to, I think those are really fun, because they have kind of a fun story. Doom is like, I just get nothing out of it. Yeah, there's a lot of games I haven't finished.

I just bought a call of Cthulhu. Have you played that game? No. It was on sale. It was on sale. Alex, Half Life Alex, or Elise, Alex, haven't started it. Okay.

Anyhow, there's a bunch of Resident Evil games that old ones that I haven't played. But so getting back to what we're talking about before I just started going through my games. Tick tock. Tick tock. Oh, what I was gonna say is the world is a complex place. And you know, China is, should be our friend in some ways

and shouldn't be in other ways. China, I mean, China is a, now look, some ways and shouldn't be in other ways China I mean China is a now look we can't police the world. We don't want to be the world police We can't enforce everybody to become a democratic country But we can at least stick to like some basic, you know beliefs and in how we think people should be treated people in China And in places like Russia are treated. Now, I don't I haven't lived in either of these places. And so I will say I don't know personally, but but there is a lot of a very good evidence that people in places like China,

Oregon farms, and there are, you know, Muslims and concentration camps in China. They're a horrifying country. But it's it's, we're pretty bad too. And I'm not saying it's a false equivalency. I'm saying like, we have to have a working relationship with the world for power. But we should, this is my point, this is my point, which is like, we can reject the values, or some values of a country while still maintaining

some type of relationship with them. Now, I will say like, in one place where Donald Trump and I possibly agree, oh God, is that the white race is the master race. No, the one place where Donald Trump and I, I mean, I don't really know what he thinks about this, but his policy, he seems to suggest that he feels that in the globalization of production,

we gave away a lot of what was happening in America in terms of our ability to produce our own goods. And we shifted that production. And maybe he doesn't actually believe this because he may not be thinking ever about the actual realities of this. But we shifted that production to places where people essentially were paid a little to nothing and treated like slaves to produce goods for the rest of the world. China is one of those places. And where I will agree with maybe some of the more conservative people in America who believe that like we should have kept manufacturing jobs here, and we should not have allowed our companies based here in America to go shift their manufacturing overseas for pennies on the dollar.

I think that really fundamentally fucked up a lot of the world. I mean, it gave us things, but it also took a lot away. I don't know that America would have ever become the manufacturing powerhouse that China has become, but that powerhouse was built with the blood and the lives and the sweat of actual human beings in China, who have been, a lot of them have been really tremendously abused to get there, you know? And it is true that in doing that, a lot of production that was happening here in America

has just gone away, has just, you know, people just don't have jobs anymore. The things they used to do, they're not doing here anymore, because it's cheaper to have somebody to pay somebody pennies on the dollar to do it in another country, and then ship the shit back to us, right? I mean, in the most basic way, that's real and bad. And I think it's been detrimental to humanity in a lot of ways. But this TikTok thing,

this TikTok thing is nothing to do with any of like trade deals or policies or privacy or data or security or the treatment of human beings or the spread of democracy. It has everything to do with Trump's ego. And that's it. And we've wasted a ton of time and a ton of breath on a thing that shouldn't even matter. Like it just shouldn't be, we shouldn't be talking about it's a total distraction, you know.

And so, so, you know, I think it's like valid to talk about China as a force in the world that may produce some good, it absolutely does, but also has to be called out for shit that they're doing that isn't good. It's just true of any country, and including us, right? I mean, so I get the point of trying to make a stand about some Chinese company where you feel like there's something real is happening. The problem with the TikTok stuff is, it's not real.

It's not based in reality. It's not like, we're talking about fantasy. We're talking about Donald Trump's fantasy. And that's like, if we're gonna, if we're gonna go after Chinese companies, if we're gonna try to impose our will on these companies or say that there are places that we, I ain't like, you know,

show me real examples. What is the, no one has even produced an example of what TikTok has done. We don't even know what the, we don't even know what the president's grievance with TikTok is. Do you? Probably about Charlie Demelia. Yeah, exactly. Well, she's on Triller now, which I assume I have to assume because the president and his children signed up for it. I have to assume is a right wing TikTok. And that's how I'll be describing it to everybody.

Who's out here? Who's out here? It's actually, it's open up my Triller. Well, Triller is actually, I mean, we wrote, we did this piece about Travis Scott's collaboration with McDonald's and how dumb it is and bad and how like, sell out culture is just completely over the top now. Because Travis Scott does cool collaborations, but the McDonald's one was one of them. But like, Triller's partners are like universal music group and Spotify and Def Jam and Atlantic and Sony music

and Epic and Island and RCA and Republic Records and Warner Records and Capital Records. They are basically the mainstream version. They're like, I guess they're trying to find a new way to get people paid for music, but you know, is good. Kudos to them for that. Like, it's a good idea that people get paid

for making music, but like, the people behind it are just a bunch of massive corporations. It's still money from artists. And if you follow Kanye, you can hear all about that. Oh God. He went on a... You can also hear him piss. You can see him piss on the Grammy.

I gotta say big leap for Kanye, a man who was very worried about who won a VMA to be urinating on a Grammy. You know what I mean? Who do you think had to take the Grammy out of the toilet? I mean, he has several handlers and people had to take the Grammy out of the toilet? I mean, he has several handlers and people who will get the Grammy out of the toilet. I don't know, maybe he was like, now remove this toilet,

shut the toilet, have the toilet removed and put into a trash compactor. No, he'll put it in a museum and be like, my most genius work of art. But I'm not a cheap job, I'm Walt Disney. It's not bad. He's all those things, I agree. I agree with honestly, it's not bad. I'm Steve Jobs, I'm Walt Disney. It's not bad. He's all those things, I agree. I agree with that, man.

All right, anything else we need to talk about on this podcast? I feel like we've been on the air for seven or eight hours. I don't know how long we've actually been talking. It's been nice things. One hour and eight minutes, according to this recording. You want to do nice things? Yeah. Oh, wait, before we do nice things? Yeah.

Oh wait, before we do nice things, can I complain about this teapot that I got from Amazon real quick? Sure. So I've been, you know, I'm historically and traditionally, I didn't talk about my food thing. Maybe that could be a nice thing. Though I don't even know if it falls into, you know, traditionally I'm a tea guy.

I mean, I started drinking coffee when Lauren, I started dating. She was a big coffee drinker, but I've I'm a tea guy. I mean, I started drinking coffee when Lauren, I started dating. She was a big coffee drinker, but I've always been a tea drinker and I brew like a very strong black tea that like, is, I would say the closest thing to prescription speed, you know, that you can get, that's, that's, I mean, I honestly, when I used to, when I had a recording studio and we'd have bands come in,

I would have this like tea that I brewed and I would brew like multiple bags of black tea in a coffee pot, and so it would keep it hot. Like it was a little bit of a, you know, little hack, little life hack. But people would like, I remember- I grew up with very English grandparents who made T and very specific ways

in this all just sounds horrifying. Yeah, I know it does, but it was great. And honestly, I had bands that would come in and record with us and they'd be like, like we drank some of your tea and I feel like they would be like, I feel really fucked up right now. I'm like, I need to like go for a walk. You were like, my tea?

Oh, you mean the Coke water. Yeah, the Coke juice. Anyhow, so I've been, I lately have gotten back into having tea like I'll make a pot of tea and then I have, we had Laura bought me this thing that was like, it's a tea pot and it has a tea light underneath it and you brew the tea and you know, you put, it has an infuser, you put the tea in, it turns the water, hot water into tea and then you can put a little tea light underneath it, which I guess is why they're called tea lights to begin with, which I'd never made the connection about at whatsoever. And it keeps the tea hot, or at least very warm, throughout, you know,

for several hours, you can have it sitting on your desk or whatever. So she bought me this thing, and I loved it, and then it broke, because it was made of this very fine, thin glass, you know, as they do. And I was like, oh man, I'm not having my pots of tea anymore. And I'm like, well, I'm gonna go buy, I'll just get, I'll find another one on Amazon as one does, and I'll buy that, and I'll use that. So I bought this tea pot, and it's like,

it seems great, it seems like everything I want. And every time you pour it, every time you pour tea out of it, tea goes spilling out of the side of the fucking thing and it's like It's like if I pour it over the base with the tea light on it It will like extinguish the tea light while I'm pouring it, which is very aggravating and so anyhow now I'm just like every time I every time I have to go and get a cup of tea I'm like aggravated and frustrated and upset and that's not my nice thing

Separately and then we can that's not my nice thing. Separately, and then we can get, maybe this is a nice thing and maybe not. I've started eating vegan food and basically raw. I can't do raw. Not processed stuff. No, I love vegetables, but they need salt and olive oil. No, no, no, no, no. This isn't like totally, no, this is like seasoning and cooking. It's just not, no processed stuff.

Very little oil. Oh, I thought you meant like uncooked. Not, no, no, no, not uncooked. It's just like raw like in that like, and I don't know, maybe I'm using the term wrong, because I've just, I think you're thinking like clean or whatever. It's like clean. I don't know, maybe that's what it is.

It's like, but it's like no processed stuff, not a lot of oil, like no butters, no seasoning is fine, a variety of different vinegars are fine, like stuff like that, a little bit of oil, but obviously no animal stuff, no, and he had me eating a lot of beans. This really went up oil's down too. Cause I'm like, but I was, we were talking about this before we started.

When I was a young man living alone in New York, my meal for me on a regular basis was a can of beans with like salad dressing on it. And honestly, psychotic, psychotic Josh. I don't tell people that. I was like, I was like, I was like, Rorschach.

I was like Rorschach, basically. Yes. Like, but honestly, I was, I felt great. I felt great. My meals were like, I mean, that is whatach, face bliss. Yeah. Like, but honestly, I felt great. I felt great. My meals were like, when I was in the hospital. Yeah, I mean, that is what we're supposed to be eating.

Like, we're being treated correctly. If our bodies were being treated correctly, it would be like some beans, a small amount of animal fat, and like, you know, exposure to the sun. And that would be all that we're about one in our bodies. But like, we are not. We are human beings who are allowed. We are.

We are. Yeah, no, I mean, I had, I would, I mean, for me it was like, you know, I would not have breakfast, I'd be drinking my crack tea all morning long. And then, and then I would have like for like a four o'clock, like meal, I would have the beans. And then later in the day, you know, when I really wanted to look assure you, I would go to God bless, deli grocery in a green point. And I would get this one I was eating meat. I would get a turkey, a turkey sandwich on a roll, you know, turkey on a roll, which we had like, I would say a pound of

turkey on each sandwich. You know, you know, a New York Deli sandwich, they don't hold back. And that would be my big, that would be my big splurge. And that was like $3.00. It was a $3 sandwich. I used to, I probably have talked about this in the podcast, but I used to factor my days in like when I was spending money, like when I didn't have a lot of money, it would be like how many God bless sandwiches is this?

Like the shirt's like $20.00. I'm like, ooh, that's like several God bless sandwiches. You know, that's like several days ago. To my grocery shopping at the dollar store at the corner for like a year. So I feel it. What diet is this? Like, where are you getting all of this?

So, okay, okay, okay. So, I found this book. I was talking to a friend and they were like, oh, I'm like doing this thing and it's like this guy's diet and it's like there's a book. And the book, well, first off, it's like an idiot's guide book. I don't even want to say the name

because I don't want to expose my, I'm too ashamed, honestly. But the forward of the book, so I started looking at Amazon and the forward of the book is written by Pendulate. And let me tell you, I'm no fan of, And the forward of the book is written by Pendulate. And let me tell you, I'm no fan of, I'm no fan of Pendulate, okay? I'm not, he's not for me. Like, it's just a little too,

he's a little too much like a Joe Rogan kind of, like I bet he's been on the Joe Rogan experience like several times. He's a guy who's like, hey, actually, oil companies are good for the world. That's the truth. No, I, I, the show, but the concept of that's like, hey, actually, oil companies are good for the world. That's the truth. But the concept of that show bullshit that he did, that they did was actually, it's a pretty good idea,

which is like, shit is in what you think. It is except that their stuff was like, you know, it's like recycling doesn't matter. It's like, okay, yeah, I don't know. And so no doubt, we're gonna get a lot of emails here about how recycling doesn't matter. I mean, the show, yeah, no, I'm sorry. The bullshit show was at what it's helpful, shit.

I don't know if it was a joke. No, no, I like bad inflammation. You should go watch Adam Roons, everything, who is a much better version of that show. Yeah, I like a contrarian viewpoint, but anyhow, but Penn Gillette writes the forward, and he's like, you know, he's like, look, I was like really fat and like dying.

And I'm like, okay, I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but I do agree that like, it's certainly at some point Pendulette was very overweight and he did become less overweight. And so I'm like, you know, I'm not like, I don't have like, I don't have a massive weight problem, but I do think that I eat very poorly. And anyhow, so I'm just trying this. And so far, I don't know, Jury's out.

I feel pretty good though. I feel pretty good. But I ordered a box. I don't know if I know my two stories about facial art. Yes, I do. How you have two. I like that you have two. By the way, I saw what really quickly,

before you go into your stories, one year the end gadget team went as a group to see the pen and teller Las Vegas show, you know, in Las Vegas during CES. And I guess it was pretty entertaining. All right, go ahead. I went to the night before they did like a dress rehearsal for their Broadway show. And I went to that. And of course, there's like four people in the audience because it's a dress rehearsal. And so they were like, we need a volunteer.

And I was like, I'll do it. And the trick went wrong, even though I was doing my thing correctly, and then Gillette fucking hated me. And afterward, like people got together to talk about, like, oh, that was so great. Thank you for coming. And he fucking made it clear that he thought I was the scum of the earth and he fucking hates me

And it's not wrong. It's one of those like insane memories. So I know but I think it might be face blind But I in any event are we all probably still hates me today the other thing That much but I'm sure if you saw you you'd be like I hate that guy Yeah, I'm sure he would but that would be unrelated to the dresser. The other thing about Penn Gillette is, do you know what he has a patent on? I mean, I feel like this is going to be something. I feel like this is going to be something sex related and something really gross.

And I'm going to be very upset after I hear it. He invented a bathtub that stimulates a woman's groin area and has space for a man to eat her out under water. For a seated period. No, no, no, no. We will, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, fit in while the like a man of pen of pen size because he's like also six seven. Yeah, I'm talking a large man because you know you could just get a tub, but Ken needs like accommodations or whatever one good. Well, he lives in Las Vegas. So I mean, you can't just have a tub. So we invented a

series of water pumps that squirt directly into a woman's crotch and then it also has space for a man to be down there assisting. So one presumably has a scuba mask and then there's just like a sex suit happening. It's so much worse than I would have expected. I encourage the user. I encourage the user. I encourage the listener at home to Google Pengelet Sex Tub and look at the diagram that he drew. It's really notable. Yeah, I mean, it's bad.

I mean, what you're describing is just really bad. I listen, it's exactly what I expected. It's more disgusting, of course, than I could have expected. But also, what does he have like a snorkel? Is there like a snorkel app around us? I have to assume that there's come kind of like nose snorkel. It seems like a lot of trouble for one

very specific sex act. I mean, honestly, I know that people like to, you know, access arise, like that's great. I support that. I just feel like that particularly feels like a lot of effort. And also like he was like, this is so good, I have to patent it. Like this is so, this is such a,

other people are gonna get here. He's like, he's like, this is such a big deal that I have to make sure no one else can claim ownership of this. Okay, so here's our race. Like there's a big race for our Cuban, are you in? There you go. It's bad.

Barbara, I know you're buying. Yeah, okay, so my nice thing. Let's do your nice thing. Yeah, please. There's a new game out. It's in preview, it's in nice thing. Yeah, it's a nice thing. Yeah, it plays. Yeah. There's a new game out. It's in preview. It's in preview stage, I guess. I'm not a battle royale person.

I can't get into Fortnite. I've tried. I enjoy Overwatch, but that's. Is that a battle royale? Really? No. But there's a game out called spell break that I love and is super fun. You're like a

Wizard and you run around collecting like loot in order to power yourself up and the maps slowly get smaller And then you have to battle with other wizards and like a magic battle and then you die and you get points and then you start over Over and over and over again and it's just really addicting and Weirdly fun and it gives you a lot of time and space to breathe and get used to it and customize your character before you get forced into these conflicts. It's just really fun and addicting. I think it still has some balancing issues and stuff

that they're probably working out because it's in preview mode. But it's free, it's available everywhere, it has crossplay. And it's a lot of fun. And I recommend you download it and give it a try. Because if you hate it, it was free and you could just delete it. And that's my nice thing, I think.

I think that's it. Everything else this week was horrible. Well, I mean, I've had, I've always seen worse weeks. I mean, honestly, all things considered, it was not the worst week on record. I will remove the phrase horrible from my labeling of weeks when I can leave my home.

Yeah, that's what I call a good week. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. My nice thing, what is my nice thing? I got, well, I've told you, I got this shot in my spine slash knack or whatever. I think it's done something. It's, supposedly, it takes a while for it to be fully. I mean, I feel like it should immediately work, but I don't know how this stuff works.

I have a pinch nerve, which has made it very hard to like put my head in certain positions and made it very painful and uncomfortable for like the right side of my back and arm. And so I got this shot, it seems to have done something and I just, you know, my nice thing is like the magic of doctors. I will say this, we were watching the Nick, which is about like the kind of dawn of surgery

and like proper like medicine the way, the Western medicine the way we have, you know, the way we Western medicine the way we have you know Ma the way we perceive it now and it's it's sort of incredible because you know if and I think a lot of his based in fact a lot of his based on real characters you know where we've come in like a hundred years time in terms of medicine is nuts you know and and and honestly like I have a newfound respect for doctors, just watching that show thinking about

how what an insane mystery the human body is and the fact that anybody has ever figured out anything about it. The fact that we've ever figured out anyway to take care of it, that people can go, we're used to live like, people used to live to like 40, and that was like old age, and now they lived to 100 on a fairly regular basis, you know, that's nuts. And so, would there ever anybody express his appreciation for Western medicine?

It's important to note the amount of people, like the amount of exploitation that all of that was built on unnecessarily. Well, obviously, obviously there's no question that there's exploitation, But it is still, you know, there's a lot of, no, I mean, it's, actually the show touches on a lot of the kind of horrendous. Yes. Yes. It actually touches on that quite,

not heavily but quite, but it is in there and it's funny because Laura's been reading this book about this, about this, this doctor who was trying to figure out like mental illness and his solution. And he's actually in the show, it turns out. This is completely unrelated, but she was reading this book about this real doctor who believed that mental illness was like all in the teeth.

And his fix was like to remove people's teeth that it was like an infection in the head. He's like, oh, I like remove my kid's teeth, like what she did, like as a preventative measure. I mean, just insane shit. Like people were doing the most fucked up shit. I mean, exactly to your point, like the treatment of,

these doctors treatment of people was like, absolutely, they were just experimenting on people. And the show goes into that quite a bit and it is is somewhat shocking. But my own experience having just had, which is a very, I think a very minor procedure, but it's been a while since I've had, they use a needle and they inject steroids

into literally in between your spine and stuff. And it's pretty amazing that they use an X-ray to see what they're doing. And this show, on the show, the Nick, they're talking about the invention of the X-ray. It's like, oh, yeah, you can stand here for an hour and it'll give you an X-ray. And it's like, now we have the most insane. Anyhow, the point is, the point is play with radium, it will end well.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I just think, I don't know if there's a nice thing or just a thought that I've been having. And it's pretty amazing. I mean, well, I think a lot, I've been thinking a lot about it because of all of the doctors who've been working during this pandemic and being exposed to obviously a very deadly illness and caring for people and having to make decisions for people in an unbelievably extreme

and having to make decisions for people in an unbelievably extreme sort of state. And I think back to not that long ago when we were having, when in New York, there was like a massive outbreak of this disease where people were hospitals were absolutely overloaded. And bodies were being stacked three-high. I feel like I talked about this recently on the podcast. You know, bodies were being stacked like three high in trucks outside of hospitals because there was no room left for them. And like, you know, we went through some really fucked up shit.

And obviously doctors played an enormous role in helping to make it much better than it could have been. But anyhow, so I've been thinking a lot about it and I think in a modern medicine kind of a marvel make it much better than it could have been. But anyhow, so I've been thinking a lot about it and I think in a modern medicine, kind of a marvel definitely built on the bodies of a lot of people who were abused and taking advantage of, but also a lot of really a brilliant work done by people,

not doing that who were legitimately trying to find answers to very complex problems. but also a lot of really brilliant work done by people and not doing that who are legitimately trying to find answers to a very complex problems. And I guess the long and short of what I really want to say is that my nice thing is I hope my fucking back goes back to normal so I can pick up Zelda and not have weird tingling in my arm when I'm riding a blog post. And so I guess we'll see.

We'll find out. All right. Let's wrap this thing up. Let's get out of here. Bye. Bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow, and as always, I wish you and your family the very best. Though I've just been told that your family subscribed to the ONE service. Unfortunately, it's Blackberry one, so, really not very useful.