Tomorrow - 208: Lingonberry

Episode Date: September 27, 2020

This week on the podcast Josh and Ryan debate the show Pen15, the next-gen launch lineup, and extreme racist face filters. Also at one point Ryan does an impression of a couch that was slashed in a knife fight. Episode two hundred and eight! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to Tomorrow. I'm your host, Joshua Topolki. Today on the podcast, we discuss Brody Jenner, Ikea, and the spring musical. I don't always one minute. Let's get right into it. It has a huge chunk of power wall. Oh, what? A power wall. That's not real. That's not a real thing. Power sound, it has a power wall. Oh, what? A power wall. That's not real.

That's not a real thing. Power wall, it is. It's a giant battery you put on your wall. They also sell like, yes, it's a giant battery, it's a Tesla battery, it sucks up, it sucks up power from the grid, and then it redistributes it, or it sucks up solar and it redistributes it to the grid. I don't like it. And if your power goes out, it powers your house.

It's literally like a giant cell phone battery you put on the wall and then it's in it's $12,000. Have you not really ever heard of the power wall? I'm familiar with the concept. I just didn't, the words mean nothing to me. I know. I love these fucking Tesla, it's like roof. They're like, just like in your Dom American home, your perfect dumb little American home,

it looks like every other American home, put on your Tesla roof. All right, are we doing the podcast or what are we doing here? Yeah, yeah, is it rolling? Yeah. Okay, here it is, the power wall. I've seen it. It's it's a giant wall battery. I know it. I know. Charging. And it didn't know the, I didn't know the name because it's the name vehicle accessories's a short name. Vehicle accessories, parts, apparel.

If you get Tesla apparel, you should go to jail immediately. There should be a, take that episode of friends where Joey was dressed in the Porsche clothes. Yeah, I'll go, I didn't see that episode, but it sounds like about as embarrassing. I, someone on the street left a Porsche and like didn't, the one didn't move it for a week.

And so Joey bought a bunch of Porsche merch to wear and stand next to the car to meet women. And then the car drove away. And so then he had to like make a fake one out of boxes. It was very funny. Controversial opinion, personal opinion. If you buy Tesla clothing and you wear it, there should be a squad.

You know, I'm not for these terror troops, these shock troops, these like a hillbilly shock troops. You see walking around, you know, in Kentucky or wherever. But listen, I think it's a better mission for ice than what they're currently. I'd rather have I'd like to deploy ice to arrest anybody who's seen wearing like a Tesla, like they bought like a Tesla, like jogging pants or whatever, or those shorts. That's it. I got, you know, I, it's not,

you know, I'm not, I'm fine with, you know, I mean, everybody should be able to do their thing. You should be able to express your freedom and however, in any way you want, except for if you wear a Tesla clothing, and then you should be able to express your your freedom and however you in any way you want Except for if you wear Tesla clothing and then you should be immediately rounded up put into an anonymous van and taken to it Undisclosed location and torture. Sorry. That's just how I feel, okay Welcome to the podcast

Anyhow big week big week great Anyhow, big week, big week, great week, very good week. Love it this week. Just such a great, another week, great week in the world and in America. I wanna start this conversation off by saying, I pre-ordered a PS5, I was able to get it. I don't even know why or how. People were like, here's the link.

Like in our chat, in our Slack, people were like, here's the link and I'm like, all right, I guess. And the next thing I knew I had to pre-order. Meanwhile, I tried, I wanted to order an Xbox, weirdly wanted the Xbox more than the PlayStation. Could not get the Xbox. Could not get the Xbox and then Xbox has the gall, the nerve, they said it in the email last night,

it like midnight, they're like, hey, it looks like you left something in your car. Don't miss out. Get this Xbox series X before it's all gone. It's like, hey, you fuck, you piece of shit. You dirty motherfucker. I fucking try to order it like 17 times in a row and they kept going like, ooh, it's a problem. Try it back later. And then when I went to the link, I was like, maybe they fixed it and they got one there waiting for me. They're like, hey, this guy, this guy, especially, he's got a tech expert. You know, this Josh DePolski, let's hold one aside for him.

He's an important, very important technology man. Or whatever. Or maybe they're just like, he spends a lot of money on his, on his, you know, Microsoft account. Do you think that Microsoft account. I don't know. Do you think that Microsoft talks about technology, man? I know. I know for a fact, the Microsoft has files on all, like, you know, technology, not every technology journalist, but the ones that are like, you know, have some following and are

on. Yeah, they're worth their time that do reviews and shit. Yeah. I definitely have a file. I'm telling you, they keep a file, they keep a file on journalists. It's made, we may have never reported this at the verge or something at any rate.

I was like, oh, cool. You guys set one aside for me. You knew that I had trouble at the checkout. I'm gonna go get one. And then it gave me the exact same error that I was getting at prime time pre-order O clock

I was like how they like they like sold out of the $35 a month ones like what do you how can you sell out of a thing? That's like a subscription Just be like you won't be able to get a console for a while. Yeah Just be like your console Just do what Apple does. They're so dumb and bad. Okay, when Apple sells out of shit, they're like shipping date is expected here. When it first goes on, right?

It's like, will this ship the week of October 1st or whatever, okay, cool. Oh, then it's like, you didn't make the cut, buddy. This was shipped the week of November 27th. Yeah, okay. That's what it says. That's what they should do. That's sort of like, That's what they should do.

It's sort of like, it's like when analog takes pre-orders for something that is a year away, and then they're like, we're out. It's like, you haven't been able to keep me out. You can't be out. You guys saw that on a thing that doesn't exist.

Can you sort of have a thing that there's no stock piles of somewhere, but even if there's stock piles. If anything, the more orders you get, the cheaper it will be to make it your margins go up. Like I don't understand. Microsoft is like, listen, we produce four million of these, okay, and we're not sure.

We're gonna get anymore. We got to have rebuild the bank more. We don't know, it might just be four million guys. So that's, we gotta cut, we gotta cut it off. That's it, I'm sorry, we're just, we mainly sell, for this generation of Xbox, we think we might only sell the first four million that we made, we're not even sure the factories

are gonna build a to make anymore. In fact, we lost the plans, oh, we made the first four million, and then somebody took the plans home and they're dog-aided. It's better than Sony, who just straight up is doing blue light specials just I'm gonna re-entailers who just like I have a PS5 they have four of them. They don't want it

I got mine. I got my PS5 it at at at Walmart and Me too. I just I just I just I just I was like oh this is gotta be like some bunk like they accidentally processed it It definitely didn't go and And I just checked it. They're like, kept November 12. You'll get one. They'll be at your door. I'm like, okay, cool. I'm sure it's going to be some fucked up bullshit at any rate, any rate.

This is both a minor being now to Edgar's apartment. It's like to be a consumer in America. Okay, folks, I'm just trying. I'm out here. We're in the middle of a pandemic. I need entertainment. I need the game. You need goods and or services. I know. I'm trying to figure out if like I should just like, honestly'm out here where the middle of a pandemic, I need entertainment. I need the game. You need goods and or services. I know.

I'm trying to figure out if like I should just like, honestly, here's the thing. I'm just going to get, I'm going to level with everybody. Okay. You know, I have a gaming, you know, I have a gaming PC. Oh, you're all about it. I got an RTX card in there. You know, it's good performance, great performance. You know, it's fine.

Um, I do worry. You know, I'm kind of like, I don't know. I played last OS 2 on my PS4, which is like 25 years old. Like the last of us two on my PS4, I was like definitely more impressed with the graphics in that than a lot of games that I've played on my PC that are like RTX on, baby. You know, like controls. I love the like, reddit crowd of PC gamers, because like, no, it know, like controls. Okay, I love, I love the like reddit crowd of PC gamers because like, no, it's the best graphics.

All you need to do is install eight mods, upgrade this texture. Yeah. Then you have to do like, you know, some liquid cooling. You just have to overclock your. I know. I have to say and you're like, at that point, I'm building like a lorean and going back and die. I've already spent over a thousand dollars on the computer. Okay, my thing was I'm gonna keep us under a thousand and then I got a couple of extra things and it was more than you're like

No, I got to get that thousand dollar monitor It's in a case that I don't love which again again. I'm in the process of building a wood wood Work shop for the express purpose. I don't I've talked about this a lot many times, but you know, I was like, I'm gonna start, I was like, I should get into woodworking, because you would be cool to like build a custom case for my PC that's like a really cool,

fine, beautiful, like piece of wood craft. Then I was like, cool, I gotta like get all this woodworking equipment. I'm sure I've talked about this already. And now like my garage is like, I'm like, I was like, okay, but my first project should be, I'm going to build a work bench, right?

So I can work, have a place to work, expressly for my woodworking projects. And now I'm like, I've been working because I only really have time on the weekends and even then I don't have like full days to like work on my work bench. I'm like, it's such a great, it's such a perfect Josh situation. I'm like, I have all of this like shit strewn all over my bench. I'm like, it's such a great, it's such a perfect Josh situation.

I'm like, I have all of this like shit strewn all over my garage. And I'm like, as soon as I finish this work bench, I can clean everything up. But I've got to finish the work bench, do anything else. And I could really honestly, while I'm working on it, I could really use a work bench for some of the stuff

I'm trying to do. Like, I need a work bench for certain things. And I'm like, well, I'll just stick in between these two chairs that I have for now and just try to, try to like, sand it like that, I guess. Anyhow, so it's great shit. But my point is, so you know, I built this PC, you know, it's kind of chunky.

It's in like kind of a chunky steel series case. It's fine, it looks okay, it doesn't look that bad. But like, PC gaming is a kind of a chunky steel series case. It's fine. It looks okay. It doesn't look that bad but like PC gaming is a kind of a shit show. I mean, I love it But it doesn't feel like when you like get when I turn my PS my PS4 on PS5 I know my PS4 on and I'm like I'm gonna play Death Stranding which I'm gonna talk about at some point but um, it's just like just like it's all like everything just works Mostly like the way it should and there's no weird shit. Like applications don't like randomly like change their resolution while I'm in the middle of playing a game.

Like, you know, it just, it just I hate to say it, but it just works. It just works. Well, that was people were complaining because they put out the Super Mario 3D All-Star's pack of like three 3D Mario games from over the years. And people were like, uh, this is just emulation and it still has the same bugs. And it's like, yes, I agree with you. 100%. You can play Super Mario 64 on a fucking toaster in 4K.

You don't need this, but you know who does need this? Everyone who doesn't know how to install an app. Just, you know, you just gesture broadly to add everyone. Everyone. Everybody else. It's like, listen, I love it. I love to tinker, but sometimes I'm like just, I just wanna play this game now. Please just call me.

It doesn't have to be a hobby. It just needs to be a pastime. I don't want, you know, anyhow, but, oh, you know, listen, it's, it's, listen, I, I understand. The point is I'm excited about the next generation of these motherfucking consoles. Me too.

I can't, I'm so excited to never turn the heat on in my home again because between the two of them, they're gonna be putting off like jet engine fuel and I have, you know, I have all the other consoles. So now, you know what's amazing? Speaking of game consoles, I was playing I have all the other consoles. So now, you know what's amazing? Speaking of game consoles, I was playing a deadly premonition too on my Switch,

which has a frame rate of like 10. It's like 10 FPS, graphics that are not good. I mean, that are just not, they're just big cats. It's kind of flip-up. It loads, it loads. If you go into like another room, it has to load. Like, it is like fucking crazy how bad the switch is, like just on a purely performance level.

There's like, no one's gonna tell me the switch has great performance. Like, breath in the wild looks good, but you know they're cutting so many crazy corners. Oh my God, there's so many tricks happening to make it look like people are like people are like wow so amazing You just you know you just explore this like open landscape and just you and nature and it's like kids because they they actually if they put any other Sprites on the screen. They will freeze Like whatever you get into a battle. It's like that's what Nintendo is good at

They're good at taking like two calculators and being like this is Pokemon and you're like oh shit this is smokey one they're like look look look one calculator can go upside down you're like fuck I got it I got it get it it's a regular they do a regular calculator okay it looks like a regular calculator then you can open it up to a scientific calculator and then you can flip the one part of it around and it's two regular calculators face in each other You're like where do I? Where do I sign up? Where do I sign up? Where do I give you my check? Take take my body anyhow, so um, yeah, so anyway So next gen gaming such a great fun time for everybody and we're having such a good time pre-ordering and also

There's not a single launch title that I give a fuck about. I guess the big one. Oh my god. But I guess like the big we time I said to John I said to John what game do you want like I'm gonna get Spider-Man but what came to you up for the PS5 because with the Xbox you get all access or whatever so I was like whatever. I don't get all access. I'm'm gonna try to order right now while we're talking. Go ahead. I was like, let's, you know, let's pick a couple of games. And he was like, well, I want to say since Creed, I said, okay, do you want that on the Xbox

or the PlayStation, he's like, what's the difference? I'm like, there is none, so just pick one. I just, I just, I just hope the Xbox page is like out of stock. It's like, okay, you know what, like, I'm fine with you. I know you're out of stock. Take my order anyway. Give it to me, maybe it's in stock. How are like, okay, you know what? I'm fine with you. I know you're out of stock. Take my order anyway. Give it to me with your in stock.

How are you this bad at this? You tried to sell consoles. Okay, sorry, go ahead. I don't know. I was, then we just looked at the schedule of releases and it was like, well, I mean, there's stuff I want in March until then I guess I'll just play, you know, God of War. I'll just play old.

God of War. I don't know. Good old God of War. Like, I'll just play old games. God of War. I don't know. Good old God of War, which, so I mean, I was like talking about this. Well, Laura was like, why are there, you know, so I'm playing Death Stranding again, which I'm gonna get into in a second, but like, she was like,

why are these fucking games have like crying babies in them? And it is true, like, there's an, there's an inordinate, like I was playing this PT remake, you know, and it's like there's a crying baby in that. And she's like, what the fuck? Well, it used to be little sad girls, right? Like it was like little girls who were sad. We're in every game. Yeah, it was like the girl from BioShock. She's like,

you know, daddy, don't or whatever, you know. Anyhow, but I was like, yeah, this is fucked up. Then I saw a tweet and it was like, you know, every game is about like being a father because all the people who run gaming are like middle-aged white guys. And they're all like experiencing fatherhood now for the first time. And like every game is about like the responsibility of being a dad. And it's so fucking true. And it's also so like fuck off. Like no offense to dads everywhere, but you

aren't doing shit. Okay. I say this from the spring. I know some dads are crushing it, you know, sure, there's a few, but I know how it breaks down. I'm, we live in America, man, you know, and I've seen it even in myself. I want to be like, I want it to be like fucking cool, woke dad, who's fucking taking on doing all the work and take equal house duties, equal baby duties. You know, it doesn't work like that. It did not work like that. I was like, I don't, I can't do this.

I don't know how to do this. I'm a weak person. I can't take care of this child. This child will die if you don't, Laura, if you don't step in. And you know, that's sorry. You know, it's just real. You think you're gonna be awesome, dad. You're gonna be mediocre.

Every parent thinks that they're so special and chosen. And it's like, I mean, I don't have kids specifically because like, if I wanted to have kids, I could go do it probably accidentally, but I don't. You definitely can, definitely. But I definitely don't want to. And so I'm not. But that doesn't mean like like I just feel like every parent I know is can get a little sanctimonious and a little I'm not sanctimonious you don't understand what most parents

I know you don't understand and what I'm going through now you don't understand I'm sure I don't No, you are not a victim you have chosen to do that. It's definitely a choice. It's a choice, but sometimes, I mean, if you're, you know, hopefully it's a choice for you. Not after the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no They'll say when to have a child and where you're going to give birth to it. And who's going to take care of it? What gender? What gender? What one of two genders it will be. And then hopefully it won't grow up to be a man who dresses as a woman and sneaks into

changing rooms to harass ladies, which actually is a description, except for the dressing up as a woman, is a description of President Trump. But sorry, I said I didn't want to type a policy. So I'm of course referencing JK Rowling in the Turf of England. But yeah, JK Rowling recently wrote a novel about how there is a man who dresses up as a woman to murder women because he's like a sex criminal.

Yeah, and then whatever. Okay, wait, can we get back to, so wait, I would say my being a dad. Why was I saying my being a dad? You love death-stricken. No, no, can we get back to, so wait, how, I would say my being a dad. Why was I saying my being a dad? You love death stranding. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, so Laura was like, why are all these fucking games have babies crying in them? And then we saw this tweet and it's like, this is it, exactly. This is it. And all the dads were like, I got to talk. I get it. You know, like, last of us is about being a dad. You know, fucking death stranding, there's all this baby stuff in it. There's a god of war is about fatherhood.

I'm told you told me. Really quickly, I'm looking at the specs pages for Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5. I'll tell you what they tout. You ready? 12 Terra Flops of Power says Xbox Series X. They don't even tell you how many Terra Flops the PlayStation has. It's 10.2. Oh, so it has fewer Terra Flops. Yeah, but I mean, they're different enough that you can't really.

I don't even know what a Terra Flop is. Okay, that's the important thing. It's apples to oranges at this. Okay, hold on. Then they got they all have 4k. Yeah. 120 FPS. I mean, it's up to. Yeah. I mean, it actually goes up to 8k. But like again, 10 frames. HDR HDR cool. I guess I don't they actually don't say they don't actually say HDR in the one terabyte 4k gaming sure These systems aren't are they not different at all? I just be clear like is there actually no difference? There's exclusive games obviously And besides that differences the controller on the PlayStation Obviously, no, but the size difference is the controller on the PlayStation.

That's really it. What's the big difference? I mean, it's just a place it's just a controller. Yeah, it has just a botanical and it has the resistance. The resistance triggers. People are excited. That's cool. The adaptive triggers have to triggers get get to grips with immersive adaptive triggers, featuring dynamic resistance levels, which simulate the

physical impact of in game activities in select PS5 games. I uh it'll come up twice. It'll come up twice. One of them will be in Batman Arkham, whatever, and it'll be cool. And then I'll never do it again. You're never you know, immersive experiences. Rumble. No, no one's ever going to top. The Wii U zombie U experience of having to use like your screen on your Wii U controller as like your backpack. And like when you're like messing with your backpack, like you can't, you have to look at your screen on your Wii U controller and you can't,

do you know about this? Do you know about this? We've talked about it. We have, I'm sure we have. You have to like, you know, look up at your screen, keep glancing at it. Like if it's if you were really trying to do something in a backpack, because the zombies might get you.

No one will ever top it. I dare someone to try. And in this assay, I will. Pfft. Anyhow, I don't know what the fuck's going on, man. I don't know what's going on anymore. You know, I'm excited about all the gaming. I will say I'm dying. I cannot wait to see the side by sides of the performance. I'm

Gonna tell you what it's gonna be what the big fit. See it on me. Here we go Play station games are gonna be way more optimized because there's gonna be first- party titles that you really really have to have and they're going to be so tightly optimized, but especially by the end of whatever this generation ends in five to 10 years. Their games are going to be so to the metal that they look phenomenal. Xbox games, the cross platform ones will look better on the Xbox. They'll be more colors, whatever. But even it's even title specific to the Xbox like it's exclusive we own, but Thesda now, which we haven't even talked about. Oh, we're gonna talk about it, baby. If they make a fallout, it still has to be, it still has to scale to like every PC and every like PC setup and the multiple Xbox views. So it's

never just going to be as tightly created for that console, which is the point of consoles. But it'll probably have a bunch of games for Super Chief on Game Pass. So you're probably going to end up playing games in slightly worse quality on a slightly better console, but because they were free versus having to pay, quote unquote, free versus having to pay for the individual titles on the PlayStation. So I mean, it's, it's, it's apples to oranges and like the internals are similar enough that the games are going to look very similar, but they're different enough that they're

going to look different in different ways. Like they raytrace differently and stuff like that. So it's hard to really like compare at this moment, but I'm going to say it's not going to be such a stark difference that when you were looking at Dreamcast and Xbox, or it's such a stark difference between the way that the Super Nintendo looks versus the Sega Genesis, we're still past that point. You're just going to get some clarity differences. If you go online, Digital Foundry does really great videos of this,

where they'll compare versions of the outer worlds on every console, and I mean, it's such a minuscule differences, and they do matter if you're a serious, serious gamer, but- That's me, serious gamer. It really doesn't matter. I'm a serious gamer, okay. And I need to see, I need to just see the differences

and I need to talk about the differences and I want to talk to other people about the differences. I want to be that guy at the night club talking to the girl about the differences. Listen, I would do anything to be the guy at the night club right now. I, yeah, sure. Okay, hold on a second. Now, wait a second.

Hold on. I'm reading about launch titles for the PS5, which as you know is the system that I will be receiving on launch day. Yeah. Observer Redux. That's a game. Yep, it's a confirmed launch game.

I haven't played Observer. I've avoided it because it doesn't really look that good to me, but I guess I'll be playing it now. I have no choice. Fortnite, not interested. God fall, not interested. The new Spider-Man, I'm like, I played the first Spider-Man for five minutes. Sorry. Devil May Cry definitely not interested. Destruction, all stars. Absolutely not interested. Demon's Souls, no interest whatsoever. Astros, playroom, don't know what it is. I'll be talking about this last week. Don't not interested. Assassin's Creed will play out of desperation. Hold on. Are any of the PlayStation Plus games going to have updated graphics? No.

Games coming to PS5 at or around launch. I don't know what that means. I guess these are close to launch. Yeah, launch would know. If I just say some of these names just they just seem like things that are You know Aragami, too, do you know what that is? These are video game names in a movie that the parents disapprove of yeah, they're like they're she's playing Aragami, too No way no Absolutely not bugs snacks Oh, well bugs and acts we have to we're all gonna get bugs and act Okay, this one really sounds like a game I don't want to play.

Bridge Constructor, the Walking Dead. I think it's a game about making bridges. People love bridge constructors. This is the kind of shit. This is the kind of shit. Oh, here's one I won't be playing. Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War. That's like where we get the terrorists by doing some shooting.

Dragon is literally in the game. Control ultimate addition, have it from my computer. Dirt five. More like dirt now. Immortals, I think they want to say this is the word is Phoenix, but it's FEN, YX, which would definitely spell Phenix, but Phenix rising, this looks absolutely horrible and dumb to me. Madden NFL 21, that's a skip, Marvel's Avengers, that is a skip NBA 2K21, no,

Odd World, absolutely not, Outriders, don't know what it is, what is it? Outriders, this looks like a game for people who like Destiny Yeah, I just a techno-mancer class war on Enoch get out of here if that shit Overcooked all you could eat won't be playing that planet coaster won't be playing that Poio Poio Tetris too won't be playing that What do I am even buying a game system rainbow six C?

Absolutely not ration and Clank no, thank you. That game does look kind of fun, I guess. Watch Dogs Legion maybe. With WRC 9, I don't even know what that is. It's got to be like a... It's got to be some kind of European like soccer game, right? WRC 9. WRC 9. FIA World Rally Championship. It's like a racing game. Oh, yeah, fuck that. Yeah. It's so nice. It's like freaking out whenever a console launches like whatever racing game is coming to a people.

Oh my God, it looks so real. I'm like, just drive a car. No, honestly, no. For the price, you could rent a really nice car. Go up to the mountains, have a good weekend. Here it is, here it is folks. Now, okay, this is boring, but I'm doing any. I think I did this last week and I'm redoing it.

I'm doing now, I'm looking at the Xbox ones. Also, I wanna say a big fuck you to GameSpot who has auto plane, auto plane video. Yes, they do. Auto plane video with sound. Big fuck you to GameSpot. I know you gotta make money, but like your auto plane video of sound is obnoxious. The the worst and you should stop it. It's offensive to your audience. It's like a proprietary video player too

Gears gears I'm never gonna play gears. I have bright memory for my computer. I was like, I don't know. I don't get it um These are all the same games. Oh You coupes are like a dragon. We talked about this last week. X-Box has more games. X-Box has better games. People are gonna freak out at you saying that.

I think X-Box might win this generation. I mean, I think Sony has more stuff in the pipeline. I do think X-Box has a shot this generation. They bought Bethesda. Let's talk about that. Yeah, we gotta talk about that. That's big. They spent $7 billion on them.

They spent more than Disney spent on Marvel and Star Wars combined. But what's so cool is that that's like not a lot of money to them. I know, they have $150 billion on hand, so they don't really give a shit. I think it's so cool. You know, this game is stable, that looks cool.

They own Fallout now. They own Fallout. Yeah, so Elder Scrolls. Microsoft, Bob Bethesda, Zeni Max, slash Bethesda. So what's interesting is they own like this game Ghostwire Tokyo, which is is I believe a PlayStation exclusive. Yep. Not a launch exclusive, but a PlayStation exclusive, which looks really cool, honestly. But yeah, Zenny Max has like a huge kind of log of games.

I'm just gonna look here just so I can have it in front of me. What are their games? Library. The Elder Scrolls fall out. They own the fallout franchise, I guess, right? Doom, rage. They have all the games. They have all the games for like people

who just wanna like do shoot in. Pray, which I think pray is an amazing game, which I actually should finish one of these days. I never finished it. Um, uh, dishonored, I Wolfenstein or Wolfenstein depending on who you talk to the evil within, which the second evil within was actually really good. And I started playing it. And that's another game that I should like get back into. And quake. So they have a ton of really, really popular franchises. I mean, not the Lisa, which is the Elder Scrolls, which includes obviously Skyrim, which is the game that everybody knows. And like, Fallout is huge.

Or at least it has been. And then they have a bunch of new games, right? Like they have, they have this game, Dead Dead. What is it called? It's like Dead Something. Death Lock, Death Load, Death Break, Death Load. Death Load. Death Load death break death loop I'm death load you sure death load death load legal Bethesda here's what Bethesda has I mean that's they don't have

everything on this any max page yeah they got this this game death loop. They got Tokyo ghost wire Tokyo And that's it. That's all I have so so yeah, so now Microsoft owns them and I would unless Microsoft is very dumb Very very stupid, but then again, I don't know. I said this on I said this on But then again, I don't know, I said this on Twitter. I was like, okay, coming to the Xbox Series X, like exclusive new Fallout, new Doom, new, Elder Scrolls, new Quake, Rage, whatever. And people were like, I don't know, don't you think it'd rather to sell more games?

And it's like, I don't think so. I think they're gonna, it's gonna be game by game, I think because Microsoft does release a bunch of stuff on the Switch too. Yeah, but I think, yeah, sure, but I think that as far as we are seeing like, you know, the console wars getting underway, as far as that goes, I think it would be in their tremendous interest if like,

you know, in like around launch day, they announced Fallout 5 exclusively for the Xbox. But how about this? Fall at 5 rolled into your game pass. You could just get it for free on Xbox. Oh, if you wanted on PlayStation, it's 70 bucks. Seems like a really good way to make money to double dip, but also be pushing people to the right platform. That's interesting. So you're saying you're like, hey, you pay $35 a month for your Xbox Series X and that'll be included.

This will be included in, you know, or buy it upfront and then pay $50 a month in the game is included with all these other great games you love and the whole history of Fallout games. But I mean, if you wanna stay with the PlayStation, just give us $70. Yeah. I mean, that's a pretty good deal.

I mean, I guess so, but you can still get the game. Yeah, question is like, would it be a situation where you wouldn't go to get the game at all? Yeah. Man, I'm looking at the graphics in Ghostwire Tokyo, some ray tracing here, some reflections on some wet pavement. And it looks really good. Yeah, I know ray tracing is gonna be the shit.

Ray tracing is gonna be great. Well, I feel like we're like ray tracing so good and important and it's gonna be so great. And then maybe we're gonna discover that ray tracing is an all it's cracked up. I mean, it's gonna be overused for the first four years and then people figure out how to use it. Like, balloon once.

Remember balloon mfx, we're just done everything. Just couldn't see anything. Yes. Yes. I hate, I'm so sick of age gates. Like honestly, what's the point of an age gate? Is it a legal requirement? Because you know the legal requirement.

It's so dumb. It's so dumb. It's not because Tallah's your 30 and you're like, I'm 30. I'm like, I'm clicking those boxes and I was like, eight years old. It's not. It's like, it's like, why don't you like, you know, what's the point of having it if anybody can fake it? I don't know. What's the point? Like, what it? Just to make me serious. Like if you better off just doing it

having like a really fucked up like, uh, I don't know if some kind of like, you know like warning your parents will die in a car accident if you watch this footage. That would be more effective. Warning your parents. If you're still doing like like we did with Santa Claus couldn't have been there.

Then they'll be a punishment if they do. If your parents will mysteriously disappear. If you watch this video, this death loop video, anyhow, I don't know, maybe that's not it. All right, what else is going on? We've talked enough about the, I who cares about games? We're living in the greatest game ever. The game of death, a game of death.

You know what game, what's up with this game medium? That looks interesting. This is just us talking about games now. Didn't you hate it medium? The medium. You hated it. You thought it was terrible. It looks like one of those games. It's like spooky and has like stuff.

I don't know. Yeah. Like layers of fear. I was like, oh, this looks good. But layers of fear is just an annoying game where it's like, here's like a spooky like hand coming out of something. It's all the same shit. It's like Silent Hill wannabes, you know? Well, that's why I never really understood

the horror genre of movies. There are horror movies that I really like, like, of course, there's standouts that I'm like, that's a classic. But there are people who just like love B&C schlocky straight to DVD horror movies. And I'm like, I don't know, I feel like I've seen a lot of severed arms. And I'm good.

The best horror movies are ones that are psychologically frightening. Not ones that are like visually frightening. 100% agree. You know, like I actually get in some of my favorite movies, which do get gory in parts. I'm never like, I was scarier of Rosemary's baby. I was more scared of Rosemary's Baby than I was of like, Rosemary's Baby is terrifying.

It's like, I mean, the actressist is one of the scariest movies, just absolutely utterly bone-chilling, terrifying, and it does have some really gross stuff in it, but it's really not that kind of movie. It's like, it's much more subtle. And of course, David Lynch's movies are some of the scariest ever made. And those are often have nothing,

even approaching violence in them, which is what makes them so interesting. So, yeah, I agree. It's like slasher movies. I mean, I don't enjoy it. I do love a great, okay, I mean, scream, which we've talked about many times, but scream, which was scary in parts,

but it wasn't like, had gory parts, but it really wasn't like, I mean, it's campy, it's fun. You're just sort of having fun with the Halloween of it all. I was having a conversation with someone over dinner. Me and my friend go out to a dinner like once a month, social distance outdoors, but we go out to dinner and we went out to dinner and she was saying like, oh, I've never seen so many movies.

And I was I was saying, well, you know, John had never seen the scary movie parodies. And she's like, I don't know what that is. And I was like, scary movie. Like is it parody of screaming? Yeah, I won't watch this. She was like, she was like, oh, I've never seen scream. I said, you've never seen scream. She was like, I don't know. I'm my friend Chelsea.

And she was like, I prefer horror movies. And I was like, that is a horror, but it's not real. I was like, I like playing it. She likes movies where there's like a ghost or a mudevil or something, right? Yeah, but like, she wants to like a fucked up shit. Possessed baby or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm not interested in that. I mean, those two, it's like, I, let's say I wouldn't enjoy them. I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy, you know, like, I'm trying to think of one of these, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, like, I, that's it, I wouldn't enjoy them. I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy, you know, like, I'm trying to think of one of these, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you know what I, you know what I don't want to watch? A fucking haunted doll.

I've never wanted to see a haunted doll. Chucky's funny and tongue in cheek, but other than that, now, I wouldn't watch a Chucky movie personally. I'm not into Chucky. Fuck Chucky, actually, I have, I do not like Chucky. I have a intense hatred for Chuckie. Personal, a personal issue with Chuckie.

No, I like, yeah, I don't think, I don't think. So that's an interesting thing is that a lot of games in the horror genre, now you know, I just played this PT remake, which did you play it, by the way? Yeah, no, not the remake. I still haven't played it. I down the map, but I never played it? Yeah, no not the remake. I still haven't played it I down the day I've never played it well played their original demo from what I can tell based on watching footage of the PT of PT It's very very very very faithful and it is fucking terrifying And it is terrifying

You know, it's the it is gory in some parts and there is some really weird like visual stuff going on But it is just like it just gets the tone right, you know, just gets really this really upsetting tone a lot of horror games This is actually my problem is like Like I try to put this game out last which which actually has some interesting conceptually some interesting ideas But outlast is like It's like it's like Eli, like torture porn kind of horror, you know? Like that's the concept of the game. It's like some fucked up guy with like a bloody apron

is gonna like try to like stab you in the mouth. And, and like, and like you're like running from this guy's like trying to get you and you have to hide under a bed and you know, you have to like hold your breath. And it's like, yeah, like this is not, what's's what this is why like the Resident Evil games are so good because sometimes you do have to do stuff like that. Like in Resident Evil 2, the Resident Evil 2 remake, which is insane, like such an insanely good game, but you play as like in one part you play as a kid. And it's really, really, really, really, really, really upsetting and hard and upsetting. And like that, but like, it's more, it's a lot more fun, you know? It's a lot more fun than it is like trying to like just, there are intensely creepy parts,

but it's also like really enjoyable and fun to play. And it's not like mired in this like, it's like not like the slipknot of video games. Like a lot of these games are like slipknot. And I don't know if my, if our listeners will, I don't know if Tony knows who slipknot is, like, it's like not like the slip knot of video games. Like a lot of these games are like slip knot. And I don't know if my, if our listeners will, I don't know if Tony knows who slip knot is, because they're kind of, I mean, I, if you don't know who slip knot is, like, I guess I can't help you, but like, you know,

or like corn. You know, these games are like corn, you know, and I don't like corn. It's the back, it's the back part of the hot topic. Yes, it's the back part of like, a lot of like, uh, spent, I mean, to some extent Silent Hill became like that, but the original Silent of like a lot of like Spence I mean to some extent silent hill became like that but the original silent hill had much had a lot more like It had a lot more like story and kind of psychological horror going on than just like pure like

Like horror porn, you know, yeah Not to be confused with I mean the thing what I really the thing I guess that I really just don't give a shit about or like care to watch both because it's gross But also because I don't really see the value in it. It's just like butchery like I just don't need to see butchery D flesh for the sake of butchered flesh like that doesn't don't do it for me. Don't watch the Nick then my man My suggestion to you. No, it's hard enough watching the real housewives. Oh Anyhow plastic surgery joke. Very good. Well, the Nick is there is some plastic surgery, but it's from 1920. So it's not really what you have come to expect, if you don't know what I'm saying. Speaking of, yes, this week, great segue to whatever it is we're about to talk about

Brody Jenner loves black face. Have you seen Brody Jenner Brody? First up Brody Jenner. I last time I saw Brody Jenner as I tried to watch the hills reboot And I was like oh this is bad it stinks and I have to stop watching it. You know, I love the hills But I can only tolerate so much. Brody Jenner posted and Scott Disick and a bunch of other people posted picks from this app called Gradient and they obviously were paid either paid or are invested in it

because that definitely seems like the kind of dumb thing that they would do. And it's like a really shady sketch ass app, but they have a filter which is like, ostensibly supposed to be like, what you'd look like if you were from Asia or Africa. I mean, just, you know, you can do the the mental, what do you think you would look like if you were Indian? Is it brown face? Yes. I just think it's like, I think even very sophisticated black faces, black face, you know, brown face.

I just think generally speaking, generally speaking, don't pretend to be other races. How about that? Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do impressions of other races. I think there's a really clear line with face filters, okay?

I'm not saying don't use phase filters. I think there's ones that do stuff to your face. You know, they add to make up to it, right? Or like put a funny hat on you or some glasses or whatever. There's one. I'm a cat now. It's one that's turned you into a black version of yourself. And it just looks really fucked up and racist. You know, it's like, you should be able to like see the difference.

I know common sense doesn't exist. I do know that now. Yeah, yeah. But you'd think you'd think you would think. You would think. You would think that somebody around like Scott Disick or Brody Jenner would be like, hey, hey, Brody. Hey, bro.

Hey, bro. This is, I think this is going to, people are going to want to see a little racist, I think. It was kind of like black face. He'd be like, oh, dude, you're right. Yeah, sorry, bro. I'm going to, people are going to look a little racist, I think. It was kind of like blackface. He'd be like, oh, dude, you're right. Yeah, sorry, bro, that's bad. I'm going to delete this app. You know, Scott Dez, he would look up from the mirror of cocaine and who's that girl

he dates now? Richie, maybe. So if you're rich, I want to say, yeah, I don't know if they still date. I don't know if they still date. She would look up from the cocaine plate and she'd be like, you know, Scott. I Think that app is actually my it might come off as raises and he's like, oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god You're so right because he's you know high on coke and This is racist

What is his brother three races at what you want to you think what a Scott Disix, like he will like, he's like, yo bro, we're gonna go look at that sushi spot today. We're open that new sushi restaurant or because that's what Scott Disix is always doing. It's like, yo bro, we're gonna start a car company or something like that. And then they'd have been like, they're like in the back of a Hummer or whatever.

The new Hummer is like one of those G wagons. And you know, somebody's like, yo bro bro, hey, this app's racist, man. This is don't do this. And he's like, dude, you're so right here. Do you want another bump of cocaine? Okay. Anyway, how they didn't do that. They didn't do it.

And the app makers who are like, from somewhere, it's like doing something with your data. The app makers are like, maybe two rushing guys backed by a Chinese company, but you know whatever, it's like doing something with your data. The app makers are like maybe two rushing guys back by a Chinese company, but you know, whatever, it's fine. I don't care. I don't personally care. But then again, I'm not doing like phase two and shit. So anyhow, they're like, they're like, oh, hey, let's do the thing. Let's do the race filter or whatever. But then also they're like, they have a filter, which they advertise on their website.

I wonder if it's still there. Hold on. I just check it out right now. Gradient. The app is called gradient. In case you're wondering. AI phase changer. That's what they say. AI phase. Have they uploaded? No, they have not updated it. Your ethnicity estimate. What's your DNA ancestry? The app asks. It takes a picture of your face and it says, here's a picture of Elvis Presley, 39% Jewish, which is not ethnicity, just to be clear, it's not. We can debate that, but Jewish is not a ethnicity. And I mean, there's a lot of arguments, it's just not.

Eastern European is, and there are a lot of Jews from Eastern Europe. At any rate, Jewish, Scottish, American, British, British, also non-Nethnicity. American, non-Nethnicity. Scottish, non-Nethnicity. These are just stereotypes that people look for. These are just, these are just, the Jewish, Jewish. It has like a, I don't even think it's an Israeli flag.

It's like a fake flag. Whatever. The point is, the shit is so fucked, like so racist and like bad and dumb, and is all the stuff that's wrong with like the world right now where you're like, he's this thing. It's like, you know, like who cares? I mean, it's fun if you're like researching your ancestors, I think that's wonderful.

If you're using it to define your existence, then you're a fucking loser and a dork and you suck. Sorry, you know, like, I mean, I just think if you're like, I'm, you know, a scottish, I'm Scottish, and I so I do Scottish stuff. It's like, I don't know. It's like horoscope people who are like, you know, I love cupcakes because, you know, I'm a cancer.

What? What are you talking about? She's a cancer alright. Um, here's the thing. I'm from a Russian-ish area, which may or may not have been the Ukraine and or like what's hungry and some other places at some point. You know, I love vodka. You know, is it because of my Eastern European ancestry? It's hard to say. Is it because I'm an American suffering through a tremendous depression right now, living in a hell world that is quickly approaching

like civil war territory? I mean, maybe it's possible. We don't know. Luckily, gradient will tell me. And then also show me what I look like, if I were born. And then also sell your faith data on the black market. That too, Vladibir Putin, personally. All right. All right. and also show me what I look like if I were born. And then also sell your face data on the black market. To Vladimir Putin personally.

All right, whatever. So yeah, so don't do the gradient app, okay? I have a nicer thing. A nicer thing. This is a new part of the podcast, where it's a little bit better. Go ahead, let's find. I was trying to find a positive news story.

Here's wow. IKEA is launching its own secondhand store. Took a downwind waist. I was trying to find a positive news story here as well. Yeah. A Kia is launching its own secondhand store to cut down. I love it. I'm loving it. I love it. It's all about upcycling and not having to go on sketchy Craigslist forums to buy these things.

I just bought something on Craigslist actually and it was great. I thought it was a great experience. I mean, you know, there have been Craigslist murders, so you win some. Yeah. I mean, I was, you know, I have been Craigslist murders. So you win some. I mean, I was, you know, I did murder somebody when I picked up the thing. So, you know, Ikea, if you've ever been to an Ikea in Natonia, I don't have it. I'm not. I would say more definitely more in the hell range of. Well, it starts off good because right, you're at the cafeteria. You've got a lot of big hopes and dreams. You've signed up for the family discount card. right, you're at the cafeteria. You've got a lot of big hopes and dreams.

You've signed up for the family discount card. Well, you're ready to go. You're like, I'm going to pick out a dresser. And then you're surrounded by a family of 15, inexplicably nine of which are babies, and they're all crying. And you can't move. It's a lot. It's a lot.

It's a lot. It happens. You have to walk through a hundred living rooms. I mean, I will say this. I will say this. I. I mean, I will say this, I will say this. In regular places. And honestly, in regular places, like Ikea's are pretty enjoyable. And I'm just, Brooklyn.

I'm gonna be straight with you, like in a round, in New York, in the surrounding areas. You know, it's like a trader, like in Pittsburgh, a trader Joe's is a wonderful place. People love going to trader Joe's, okay? It's like they got those nuts I like. They got as prices are great, organic everywhere. Joe Joe's.

Joe Joe's. But in New York, going to a trader Joe's is an upsetting experience. I mean, it is, it is very similar to a war zone. It's like a war zone. It's like you are embattled. It's like you are gonna have to get into a physical altercation with somebody

because to get your Joe Joe's or whatever. That's IKEA in New York is like that, but like everything is like hyper, like it's all quadrupled because it's, my key is fucking huge and everybody needs stuff and it's hard to buy stuff in New York and everybody waits for the weekend because you can't go during the week because you're busy. Well, this is the way it used to be. And also everyone's getting it delivered. So there's a giant line.

There's lines everywhere. There's lines everywhere. And also, Ikea's a store where, and I'm a ton of notes, but I might as well say a store where they're like, here's a huge palette. Take this palette on wheels and pile things, or like here's a gigantic cart and pile whatever, put a sofa on there, put a dining room table on there, you know, put a dining table on there. And then you're like steering, you wanna buy some plants for your apartment,

put like several palm trees on a pallet and then just steer it around the store, you need some fucking giant picture frames as well. It's like that. It's like, you're at a, you know, I don't know what the right thing to compare it to. It's like Costco in New York. Go to a Costco in New York, it's a fucking nightmare.

But so anyhow, so IKEA, but okay, I was getting to a point, which is that IKEA, and at least in every store that I've been to, has a little section usually near the checkout. It's like this weird little room. I know the room. Yeah, and it's like the room of stuff that got kind of stuck up or damaged or was like an open box right away.

Yeah, yeah, and it's like, you know, a room of stuff that they put on discount and it's like things are sort of like, you're like, it's one, it's like, it's like, it's like, if all the furniture was Pixar animated, those ones are a little sad or off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, they're ones like where it's like, I'm a good chair.

It's like this bed, it's like, this was a bed frame that has like, it has like a headboard and a footboard, but like the footboard is missing or like. I'm a dresser, but one of the drawers doesn't open. Yeah, it's like a chair with like three legs It's like one. There's just missing or like or like I don't know their couch that has been slashed with a knife Or there's like you know, there's like a Dresser that has a good veneer and like on one side of the dress or the v veneer just is off and you can see the expose like a particle board underneath or something. You know, or it's one strip of it along the edge.

And it's cheaper. It's cheap. It's like this is cheap furniture. You can buy it. It's like second hand. So I think what they've done is they've taken those little rooms and they've made one gigantic room in Sweden. Yeah.

And then people can bring furniture back and upcycle it and buy new furniture, which I think is good. I think it's good to reuse stuff. I also think IKEA should be very clear that they're going to help supply the missing parts or like cover the part of the board with a little magic marker or something. I think they will. Let me see. Do we have photos?

I'm looking here. Is this a photo? That's an IKEAkea. That's just an Ikea. I don't see any photos here. Well, they do say that they're going to be doing some repairs and they're going to be doing some like, you know, resurfacing of things to help this part of the store, which we call retuna. Yeah, retuna called retuna. Yeah, retuna. Retuna.

Very cute Swedish name. I want to say, IKEA is people love IKEA. IKEA is like, you know, there was this period of life in the late 90s, mid to late 90s, where there was like a group of things that went together that you really signal that you were a certain kind of person. I feel like it was like a Kia, Volkswagen cars, and Apple computers. I feel like those three things were like, you would find them in a lot of situations. It was like this like, I'm getting

my life together. It was like people who were like, I'm finally getting my life together. And so I'm'm I bought some furniture at IKEA I got finally got one of those clam bookbacks those multi colored clam bookbacks And I'm driving a VW golf. I'm not saying that this was me But like definitely did all of this thing. Yeah There's a genre of person who like was heavily inspired by like Network sitcoms and the WB and I like a network sitcoms and the WB. And it also year I want that lamp.

And also you're like European, it's like European stuff is just a little bit better. It's just a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit.

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But the Fleet Stark collaboration is kind of post this era. And anyway, it's like end of the 2000s, you know, this trifecta. But IKEA is interestingly, and I and I and I key, I think it's like, obviously, to some degree, very responsible for people thinking about design in their homes. And that's really interesting. But they're also one of the worst offenders in history for making things that normally were you bought for a lifetime into things that you might throw out in a couple of years and then buy more of, right? Like, it used to be if you bought nightstands, that was the kind of thing you were like, I'm buying nightstands now. And for the foreseeable future,

maybe the rest of my life, these are gonna be nightstands that I have. You weren't like, well, maybe in a few years, okay, really, that's the best thing. I remember my new hair is, inherited my grandmuzz, like bedroom furniture set when they got married. Yeah, yeah.

And that's shit that was, it's literally lifetime, sometimes multiple lifetimes, dressers, beds, dining room tables, dining room chairs, items you might put in your kitchen. And everybody should, at some point, I would guess that everybody listening to this and I would guess that most people have things

in their house that are like, this was my grandmother's and my mother had and they gave it to me or whatever, little things, like whatever. But then also big things, couches. When you bought a couch in the old days, you weren't like in a few years, I'm gonna get rid of this couch.

If it's in 19, and then this is a long time ago, but in 1965, when you bought a couch, you weren't buying a couch for five years. You were buying a couch for life, potentially, you know? You were buying like, you were buying things that like stereos. You weren't buying a stereo and going like on a couple of years I'll upgrade the stereo. There was no such thing as an upgrade. Upgrade didn't exist.

You bought what you could afford and you expected to have it forever to some degree, dish washers, refrigerators, washers and dryers. There are houses that have washers and dryers in them that are 30, 40 years old. There's a reason, you know, that's how they were built. So anyhow, but I key a popularized in many ways, this concept of disposable furniture, of furniture that could be very easily smashed or broken down or just put outside or whatever, didn't cost you that much in the first place. And then you might replace with more IKEA stuff, you know? And the concept of disposable furniture, the concept of disposable fashion,

the concept of disposable home goods, and to some degree, you know, the things that we live with, like electronics, some of them, obviously there is progress there. You know, CES, they have new refrigerators at CES every year, okay? Every year, they have a new refrigerator refrigerator and they've been doing that for a long time I mean, they're gonna have one virtually next year, but you know, so I but There is this like I do think just generally speaking especially now

Where we're thinking about where we're at I key it did something very bad to the world Which I think it made a given entire generation of people this idea that like your furniture is going to kind of be cheap and bad and like you'll throw it out at some point get more of it. And it's a pretty bad, horrible idea in the long run. It creates waste, it contributes to climate change in all the greenhouse gases that are admitted in the production of that stuff. It creates additional waste in landfills as people throw things out that they really shouldn't be throwing out.

The products themselves are devalued in a way that I think it's just generally bad for the way we think about stuff we live with and how we live. It creates a crash consumerism. I say this is a man who upgrades his iPhone every year. But it did create like a type of crass consumerism that spread to places like Walmart and to Target and all these other places that I think is like, if you go way deep down, you look way deep down

at like the progression of like how we've arranged ourselves economically, particularly in America, but you can look across the world. You know, we have built mountains of businesses, huge businesses on this concept of cheap disposable shit that you're always gonna buy some more versions of that you don't have to think too much about, and then it will be, is plentiful.

And that stuff only exists because of other destruction that we've done to human beings in the planet. And so, to IKEA, I say fuck you, Ikea, but also I can't wait to check out your second hand shop. That's my way. I turn your nice thing. I turn your nice thing into a not nice thing, kind of rapidly. I own a lot of Ikea stuff and I think their food is delicious, but I agree like, you know, all capitalism is bad. There is no, I mean, consumption under capitalism. I don't know if it's true or not, but I hear what I will say.

I, I enough talked about this before, but one of the things I loved when I first lived in New York is that you could literally go through the trash and find amazing shit. I'm actually looking right now at a cart. I have a cart in my office, this metal cart, which I have had for, you know, two decades now or something, and I'm pretty sure I found it in the trash.

Something was like throwing out like a really cool, like kitchen cart, like a professional kitchen cart. And it's really nice. I mean, it probably cost a couple hundred bucks when whoever bought it. And it's very utilitarian, but it's really great. But you know, I think I feel like I, well, when I was first living in New York, I was kind of broke. And so I didn't have a lot of options. And I tried to avoid buying Nikeia stuff because, frankly, for me, I was very bored of Nikeia stuff. And I thought it looked like when you had a lot of Nikeia stuff

in your apartment, it just looked like you had an IKEA apart. You know what I mean? It looked like one of those areas of the IKEA store. I had a point where I, when I first moved to New York, I had this IKEA food ton, I had my TV on, like an IKEA cabinet, I had an IKEA chair, I had an IKEA side table and coffee table, and an IKEA lamp, and my honestly,

my living area looked just looked like a staged IKEA room. And so I tried to replace as much of it as I could like living area, look just looked like a staged IKEA room. And so like I tried to replace as much of it as I could with things that were from other places, like disparate places. And oftentimes when I was living in Greenpoint in Brooklyn, those things came from the trash. I found awesome shit, the trash like lamps and old school lockers and this like rolling cart and this weird little like thing I use for a car. But this is a totally a thing in New York.

And you know, if someone listen to this, you weren't just a random person picking through trash. Like this is definitely a real thing that really is like you can go on the street in my neighborhood and find like priceless art and furniture just sitting on the side. Yeah, I think somebody just wrote an article about how like during the pandemic, on a second pandemic furniture garbage, New York.

I think I just saw a story where they were saying that like all of these people, stooping free furniture of NMI streets better than ever thanks to, here you go, stooping. I guess it's what it's called. New Yorkers revel in virus fieldfilled gold mine of free street furniture. This is so fucking great. And I know so many people who have found furniture, great furniture on the street, and by the way, this is the other thing, is that New York's full of rich mother fuckers,

who are like, here's a Lin-Rose so far. He's like $10,000. I'm throwing it away. and it's just outside. You're like, this is a valuable piece of furniture. You gotta honestly scoop them up quickly before the bedbugs get to them. You got, well, that's the thing is you can't get eye-personally. I would not take things that had any kind of like a poultry

or stuffing. I would avoid those. That's me, you know? Maybe they were outside. I mean, I just don't want other people to smell. I get that. If they were outside in very cold weather, I might, because that'll kill the bedbugs.

I love this art. I love this is a New York post article who they suck, but I do love this article because it is exactly what I'm talking about. And like, this furniture is so much personality. This is the other thing, but the point is, sorry, getting back to the IKEA thing is like, I think it's good that they're doing this

and part of it is environmentally, an environmental, you know, push, look at this beautiful desk this girl found. I'm looking at this article, sorry. She found this beautiful writing desk. I mean, I am so jealous of this writing desk. It is absolutely gorgeous. And they put it in the garbage. I actually found a little

writing desk as well in the garbage, which is like this beautiful Rokoko, like very beautiful, like Burledwood Rokoko writing desk. It's impractical, but it's awesome. At any rate, the point is, get creative. Get out to the garbage. Go out to the garbage. If you live in New York, if you live in New York, you should be absolutely fucking scouring the garbage for great shit. But like, I do think, I do think it's like one of those things like, you know, that we, we kind of overlook it. We don't think too much about it, but I key really contributed to a very unhealthy relationship with stuff. Yeah, it was one of those things. It just like in the 90s, it just burst onto the scene, at least here in America.

And it suddenly was like, I can get a set of plates for what? $5 for like eight plates. Like that doesn't make any sense, but like, okay. And then it's like, you know, when the plates don't cost very much, that's everyone. Nowadays everybody talks about how like, there's a conspiracy for China to take your jobs. There's no conspiracy.

You chose to go to Walmart or IKEA and buy things in bulk for a very low price. Yes, yes. And you know what, so what happened? You definitely don't think it's, nobody thinks it's going to happen, and we're all desperate. We all want to save money totally.

Yes, but that's how this happened. It didn't happen because of a secret plan. It happened because it cost $5 less. I do think I will say, you know, people don't down stream of these decisions. There are a lot of decisions that happen. I don't blame the consumer. I don't put the onus purely on the consumer,

not admittedly being an educated consumer is important. I was in, I was, there was a period where I was not an educated consumer about furniture and I was like going to a key in spending a decent amount of money but getting a lot of stuff and then getting rid of it every couple of years and getting more stuff, you know? Like, I don't believe that it's the onus is completely on the consumer, but I will say we accelerated, we've talked about this before, but you talk about all this like shipping jobs, a China and all that stuff. Like, we had say we accelerated, we've talked about this before, but you talk about all this like shipping jobs at China and all that stuff like we had policies and accelerated. I agree, like I said, the one place where maybe Trump and I have some agreement, maybe the only place that exists is this idea that we like kind of shipped all of our jobs, a lot of our jobs to China in bad trade deals where we let our companies off the hook, we let companies in America off the hook. People like Trump did it. People like Trump absolutely did it. Like Trump did it personally.

Like his shit is made in China. But like, but to be clear, like it is, I would rather, and this is not a popular opinion. And it's an opinion I can say from a place of privilege. And I admit that. And I'm not saying that this is like, there is also like, you know, we had this boom of a middle class

in America. And it felt like that middle class boom was going to spread, go further and further and further into this place where the middle class rose to, there's a demand for certain things, like for certain products, for certain experiences, for certain luxuries, which would have been out of reach, right? So where like, how do we drive down the cost? There's this pressure from the market that says, the middle class is booming, how do you drive down the cost of these things? But then, the middle class boom stopped to some extent.

And kind of, we were like, oh, well, once you started, this weird balance started to happen where you, once you started to drive down the cost of those things by taking the cost out of the product and putting it on the laborer and saying, well, the cheaper labor is available elsewhere. So, can I get cheaper labor? Because people like in New York City or even in Iowa or whatever, can't, you know, in Idaho,

can't, there's a certain wage they won't accept. And frankly, it would be illegal here, right? Which is good. We have laws about how much you can pay somebody, which usually are enforced. But like, then you go, oh, we'll on Thailand, I can, I pennies on the dollar, I can get this kind of work.

And then what with these insane balance that happened is that like you take the manufacturing and all these jobs and stuff out of, because you want to make, create things that are more affordable to this movie middle class, and suddenly you like put a fucking pin in the bubble of the middle class That's growing because the jobs that they had that were those middle class jobs like manufacturing are fucking blown away

And it's like this incredible. I mean could somebody have seen it did somebody see it I'm sure there are people who were like we shouldn't do this and here's why But it is that thing where we are so out of balance on so many things. I really do think, like I really do hope for and pray for that America, as a country, goes back to doing to making more things here, to like having, there are more jobs for people that produce things that people need, like need, I think being the operative word there. I, I would love to see like an America that puts some focus back on people who have gone from middle class to, you know, from middle income to lower income.

People who have never get a shot at going to that middle class or middle income place because they've been so oppressed by the systems that we've created here. But like, you know, I mean, I'm not trying to get into it. This is a political thing now, but it's really, but like, but it also does require, now there are systems that can change it, but it also does require a cultural or societal change in what we value to me.

And that's where like you get into this conversation about the iPhone and like, why we upgrade the iPhone every year, you know, like fuck you if you can prove to me the big leap that we made from the last iPhone to the newest iPhone. Like, like, what do you, what the cameras a bit better? It was dark green. It was dark green. The processor is a bit faster. Like this is so important stuff. But like it should be, we can still, we can have innovation without the feeling that you need to throw out this thing that's perfectly fine and good and excellent and does everything you want in replace it with

something that has like space for one more row of icons. You know, because like and listen, as a person who loves crass consumerism as a crass consumer, I'm like arguing against my own interests here, but like what I've come to start, thinking about particularly, obviously over the last four years of three and a half years of Donald Trump, but over time, as I've gotten older and as I've had a kid and as I've started to live with more things that I value, that I was like, I bought this chair because this particular chair I love and I want and I don't have any plans for it to be replaced

with anything else. I thought, particularly because you know, I'm a furniture nerd and I've spent a lot of time thinking about that, I've thought about how that extends to everything else. I bought shelves, now this is again, from a place of privilege and unbelievable, like a blessing to have any of the things that I have

or have ever done anything I have, but I bought shelves for my house that are very expensive for my books. They're very expensive. They're like prohibitively expensive, but I will never, ever, ever, ever in my lifetime. And I hope I live to be a fucking hundred. We'll never replace them with anything. They will have those books on there for the entire my entire life. And I hope they'll have for the length of Zelda's life and beyond those books, those shelves will be used. And they are built well enough that they could be. And to me, like there's a, if you do the math on that,

you know, there is an exchange there. And like there's just, I just think it's like, I would not mind paying double the price for an iPhone. If I felt like we had started to get some more sanity about why we're asking people to spend money on things and started to actually show the value of what we're spending money on more clearly than just saying the screen's bigger this year, you know?

So I brought this back to technology, which I'm so happy about. I don't know, okay. It's time for us to wrap up, right? I've rambled for a very long time'm so happy about. I don't know. Okay. It's time for us to wrap up, right? I've rambled for a very long time now. Yeah, let's talk about that. I've gone through an entire theory of economics and this podcast. It's very good.

All because of IKEA, all because of mother fuck it, Ikea. Anyhow, the Flur is very good. I will say one of my favorite things, but key and and and a thing that I loved at I key Even if you were having a horrible experience was going to the I key a cafeteria and getting the back Food like they just had the best novel like They had like novel like you know sweet your stuff But also like a hot dog if you want it But also it was just fun to like be in that environment. There's a lot of stuff. And it all costs $8.

Very cheap. Try a food on the backs of labor, underpaid labor. But you know, fun stuff. No, I can't just find, except for all the ways in the way that it isn't. It's, you know what? All right, it's good. I'm looking at the Ikea website right now.

And I'm like, ooh, I'm like, ooh, the stock's on the bench. It's actually you know what? All right. It's good. It's good. I'm looking at the IKEA website right now. And I'm like, oh, I'm like, ooh, the stock's on the bench. It's actually pretty nice. I literally like after doing this 20-minute screen about, you know, fast, fashion or whatever, I'm like, I'm going to buy 10 shirts. Anyhow, all right, let's do nice things. Let's do it. You start. Okay. I had a rough week, which started with, you know, it started and it last week ended with and then this week started with the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, which very bad. That was a Friday night. Yeah. Whatever you think of her,

Yeah, whatever you think of her, it's the results will be horrible. And my friend who I was going to dinner with has her personal life is much more in the balance than mine even is as a queer person. So, you know, it was just like my marriage could, you know, we could wake up. Someone pointed out to me this week that the Iggy, Azalea, Brittany Spears song, Pretty Girls

is older than gay marriage in the US. So, I don know the song, I don't want to be that guy, but most people don't, it wasn't a hit. But you know, it's a, it could all vanish quickly and it hurts as far more precarious. But you know, I sat down for dinner and we had had a very rough night of like, we waited on the corner for a long period of time to get a table that was far enough away. It was a whole thing. And I sat down finally and she was like, Ruth made her goods for time.

We had a very expensive sat down. Oh, you mean like you went, you didn't know and then you sat down and then you got the dues. Yeah, as we were about to pay like $90 for dinner and then it was the worst saddest experience. I love what we shared each other up. Um, and I know I was in a fun call week. I really could not get out of bed for most of this week. It was just, it was, it was bleak times over here. I was lucky that I shouered every day. Um, but I kept my head above water. Um,

shower every day. But I kept my head above water and eventually last night, John was like, he coaxed me into wanting to watch TV or something. And we watched Penn 15, which I know you're not the biggest fan of. But the end of the season had this arc about doing the school play. And I, of course, did a ton of school plays. And I just took me back to the experience that just like, you never have again in your life. Just the specifics of the situation, just the way that stage managers act, and the way that props get moved around the stage, or the fact that the way that theater teachers in high school

are probably no offense to a theater teacher who teaches in high school Probably the worst person to teach you theater It's just I know you mean though. I know exactly what you mean You know what I mean? You know, I mean like like this and And just reading lines that you don't even know what the emotions or the feelings that these two are going through because the characters are 45 and it's written. Right, you're in like a street card in the desire. Yeah, you're 12 years old and you're in aging makeup

and you're like, listen here, Joan. Whatever. You're death of a salesman. You're like, what is a salesman? I don't even know what they do. You're like, what people have to go to war? And so, you know, it just took me back to like, I forgot the stakes of that and like,

the things I thought I learned for the rest of my life and like the power trips I went on and just like, it really, it was a nice regression and a reminder that like right now is not what it has always been and when it's not what it will always be. And like, you know, I saw it. My life will have another season and it was just interesting because I'm in such a

different place in my life. Will it? Ryan Willeth though. Honestly, I don't want to be that guy. Maybe that season might be radioactive, but the weather will be different. It's like, maybe. It was nice. It was nice.

It doesn't have to be pen 15 for you, but whatever takes you back, there is, is the thing. I get it. It's interesting. You just made me think of while you were describing that, you made me think of this time when for whatever reason, you know, I was in when I first lived in Brooklyn, I had some friends here. We had a band. My brother and I, we had a band with with our friends, Andrew and how, um, called Good Morning. And, uh, and then at some point, I don't know, we got this idea, Eric had it or I had it that we were going to shoot this, um, this like kind of Miami vice-ish knock. This has been a lot of me for the Miami vice, like reboot, but like in a very similar style, like shot on like a video camera, we were going to do like kind of like a Miami vice gritty, New Yorkbased Miami vice kind of knock off which had like

Never really had I don't know what we were thinking, but we were gonna shoot it It didn't have a plot exactly, but we were kind of right in on the fly And we shot like three episodes of it and they were very short they were like you know a couple minutes long or whatever But it's called turf by the way and Turf like the stuff you stand on, not a trans, it's exclusive, exclusionary, radical, communist. And I realized now I have to, I have to,

the world is so bad that everything you say could also be a Nazi thing. I know. And then, so how was in it was in us, it was in one of the scenes that we were doing, how who played, you know, based in our band. And I don't remember, I don't remember what it was in one of the scenes that we were doing, you know, how who played, you know, based in our band. And, um, and I don't remember, I don't remember what it was. We got into a huge argument, like, he massive, like, I was directing him to do something

and like, he wasn't quite doing it, right? And we got into this, like, huge screaming argument about it. And I was just thinking, like, I was just thinking how incompletely it's insane. It was that any of us, we for whatever reason felt so emotional, certainly this me. I mean, it's definitely me about something that was absolutely like number one, we definitely started to as a joke. Like was a total like, let's make a funny video. Like, and then, and then, you know, of course, you know, I have, I definitely, like, in keeping with my whole M.O. made it way too, took it way too seriously. And got way too into it.

And, and then I was just so upset about like him not doing something right in my scene that I like lost my shit on him. But we had a huge screaming match. And I like had to like leave the apartment. I was like, I can't be here right now. Anyhow, I was just thinking about it, like how much the things that you were talking about reminded me of that. I mean, I produced one show. I was like backstage staff for one show, which was for my theater major, I had to do it. And I was on such a, my anxiety was so high and I was on such a power trip that I melted down screaming and crying about people leaving water bottles on the side of the stage and I will always go back to like, it comes up for me more often than you would think, where I'm like cool

and who will I am, you're about to have the water bottle smoking. By the way, just to return, totally off this topic, but on a recent topic, there's a there's a Instagram account called stooping NYC, which like spots stuff that people have left with their garbage in New York. And they're like, here's where it is. Go get it. Oh, wow. You know, it's like pretty nice shit on here.

Some of it's garbage like it is garbage. Some of it's like it's a pretty nice shit on here. Some of it's garbage, like it is garbage. Some of it's like legitimately garbage, but some of it's nice. And it's like, I totally get why people are throwing certain things out. But then like, it's like, you know what, this would be great in here. Here's a beautiful antitrust, or my God.

Incredible if people will put out in the garbage, isn't it? Incredible. Anyhow, stupid NYC, at Stupid NYC is an Instagram account that you can follow. I guess if you are looking for things like this, I think I'm gonna follow them just for fun. You know what's gonna happen? I can see already what's going to happen. It's some they're gonna see something so incredible. And you're gonna be like one of us go get it. I'm gonna be like Ryan, this is right near your apartment. I already know that that's gonna happen. It's definitely gonna happen.

Not this sofa though. Never, never. All right, give me your nice thing. My nice thing. I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying to think of what happened this week. What did I do this week?

What nice thing did I engage with? I thought about my raw vegan dieting last week, didn't I? Yes. Okay, I see I'm running out of stuff, man. They anyhow, that's going well. It's getting good. Sure, Cortisol and Shots work. Oh, I got a Cortisol shot, Cortisol,

and whatever the fuck it is. It seems to have worked somewhat. So I still have some tingling in my arm, but no pain, and I've been sleeping well, which is a huge deal, because for two months I've been sleeping, or longer, I've been sleeping very badly. Yeah, I think it worked.

I think it did something. At first I was like, it didn't do anything. I don't know if you ever had this, it takes 72 hours for that. Yeah, at first it seems like it definitely did, if it was like, it definitely did something. I was like, it definitely did something. Then I was like, then the next day I was like, this didn't do shit.

This was a fucking way, why the fuck did I do that? Then the next day I was like, wait, I think it did something. And now I'm starting, I don't want to get, you know, I don't want to get too excited only to find out that it actually is like the thing is back. And maybe it'll come back, but it seems like it's done something. I mean, I do feel some relief. I'm able to pick up Zelda.

I feel like I'm sleeping better. I guess my nice thing is that science works, medicine works, and check it out if you have a back problem. Anyhow, yeah, I think I do, I think it worked. I think it happened. So yeah, that's a good nice thing. That's one nice thing that's happening. And I don't know, red wine. It's red wine season. That's one nice thing that I'm experiencing.

You know, it hits that moment where it's a little bit cool outside. It's a little bit cooler in the evenings. This is fall, fall temperatures. And you're just like, boy, if you drink, you go, I can really go for a, you can really go for some red wine. See, I drink red wine year round. But I know I knew it was fall because when we opened our blue apron this week, it was filled with multiple squash. You're like so much squash. They're like butternut squash, anyone? Yes. Guess what we got in bulk? Squash. So much squash. Here's it. Sorry. As I was listening to you, I'm scrolling stupid,ash. So much squash. Here's it. Sorry.

As I was listening to you, I'm scrolling stupid in my seat. Somebody's like free kale. Now kale is not something that I would take out. I'm like, no, no. You see kale in the garbage. I guess people do this, but if you see kale in the garbage, don't take it out. If you can afford another source of food,

don't eat kale from the outside. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess you have to eat out of the garbage, which is horrible. And if you do, you know, that sucks. And, you know, I honestly eat kale from the outside. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess you have to eat out of the garbage, which is horrible. And if you do, you know, that sucks. And, you know, I honestly, I'll say this, if you are eating out of the garbage, but you're also losing to this podcast, I'm confused. I don't know how to add that. And if you're in New York, like New York is currently providing everyone with food.

So just go to your little pool. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, that's nice. Well, that's great. But, you know, well, at any rate, don't get the kale, I guess is what we're saying. Don't take the kale from the garbage. Beautiful stuff on Stooping NYC. I hope everybody checks it out. If you live in NYC, I wonder

if they do this in other cities. I mean, I've never lived in another city where this was like quite as possible. So I don't know how often this happens. I assume it does. Oh, I'm sure Portland and Seattle have. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Stupid cultures. I mean, I, you could really, I mean, if you move to New York, and honestly, I gotta tell you, people, if you're ever thinking about moving to New York, this is the time. This is the time. I'm curious. Sheep is fuck. No, I'm not even joking. No, I have a friend who's about to buy a building who was like, I never thought I could buy anything. And I'm serious. Sheep is fuck. No, I'm not even joking. No, I have a friend who's about to buy a building who was like, I never thought I could buy anything

and I'm getting it for half off. Oh my God, that's great. No, this is what I'm talking about. Oh, this is the, listen. When the market bottoms out, that's January. That's January. I'm just saying, like in every thing. In every thing.

In every thing. Yeah, right, all the people are gonna leave. It's fucking cold. I'm out of here. Get in, get in on January, by say, yeah, right, all the people are gonna leave. It's fucking cold. I'm out of here. Get in, get in on it. I mean, just as an investment, if New York bounces back within five years, you've doubled your money. New York, let me tell you something, New York's gonna bounce back.

I'm saying, it's inevitable. It's not even a question. That's what I'm saying. It's inevitable. It's not even a question. But I just, I was actually reminded by scrolling stupid that we got one of our, we got our, our piano from, that was in our studio, which my brother still has,

was found on the street in New York. It was just, by the way, there's multiples of these on stupid NYC. It was just like people, somebody called, somebody called Eric, when my brother, when we were in the middle of like a session, they're like, hey, we're in like Queens and there's a piano on the street. Do you want it? And we're like, yeah, we had a touring.

We had a shitty ass van that we had toured in. And we like he drove over there with a couple of dudes and they picked up a piano. And then like that evening, we had a piano in our studio. You know, like, like pretty amazing. It needed to be tuned, but whatever, you know. Anyhow, what the hell were we talking about? We're leaving. We're done. Nice things.

Anyhow, that's it. Go out there, be good to each other. Register to vote. Please register to vote. You've got to vote. Just as Breonna Taylor. Just as well, Breonna Taylor thing is just, I mean, we could do a whole another 10 shows on this.

But, you know, I think murder should be illegal in this country. That's my word. No matter who you are, no matter who you are, if you kill somebody, if you intentionally kill somebody, if you accidentally kill somebody, if you accidentally kill somebody, we at least need to hear what happened.

Gotta hear how that happened. There should be a trial, there should be a conversation, there should be a public hearing of some type. If you're a cop and you shoot somebody, because you were just in the wrong place, I do think there should be a punishment. You never should be a cop. You can just go right ahead and quit.

Just go right ahead and quit. Well, it doesn't matter if you kill anybody, just go right ahead and quit. If you're a cop, you're pretty quick. Oh, pre-murder, you could just not be a cop. I do agree if it's possible for you to be a partner. If it's possible for you to not be a police officer, my recommendation would be don't do it.

Don't do that. Don't do it. There are a lot of other jobs out there. There are a lot of other jobs that don't. We'll never, no one will ever be like, you're gonna have to kill someone. Plus, you can still watch Law and Order SVU. Actually, what would be better

is we just watch Law and Order SVU. Yeah, and that's it, that's it. Anyhow, all right, let's this week's been one. So let's go start drinking. Goodbye. Bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow, and as always, I wish you and your family the very best, though I've just been told that you and your family went to IKEA, so the very best absolutely will not be possible. you