Tomorrow - 210: The Lovecraft Boys

Episode Date: October 10, 2020

This week Josh and Ryan could not be more exhausted. After a long rant about the one topic we're all constantly thinking about, they discuss shoe making robots, good TV shows, and Facebook's one good deed for the year. This is episode 210. Please remember to vote. Early, if possible. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, welcome to Tomorrow. I'm your host, Josh Wattipolsky. Today on the podcast, we discuss Kamala, the boys, and a spider shoe. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get ready to do it. Well, we're back. I can tell you, if you had told me that we were talking about the things we're talking about now, two weeks ago. I mean, I wouldn't believe it because you know, everything is just completely off the wall. But we're-

We'll be talking about two weeks from now. Well, I can tell you what we're going to be talking about, I can tell you what we're going to be talking about two weeks from now, okay? You think? I have a feeling, a strong Feeling in my heart Which is can you hear me? Okay. Yeah, I can hear which is There's going to be a October I'd say probably around the 25th 26th 27th The DOJ will make an announcement That they are investigating or they've launched it and they

does an indictment against Hunter Biden for crimes involving Burisima and the Ukraine and Péola or some bullshit. You know, they're going to try to, whatever's going to happen now doesn't get, and they all know this, they're going to try to, they want to just recreate 2016 in any way possible. And so, you know, they're going to they're going to they're going to pull some bullshit like, you know, some Biden is a criminal and we're now prosecuting them at the 11th hour. And I think, you know, it won't work because I think people are less stupid than they were in 2016. That's my belief.

That's the way I think. Yeah. I mean, I remember people being like, when there were Republicans, Ling mud, it sticks. When we do it doesn't. It's so strange. It's like, well, cause their voters are dumb. Yeah. I mean, I think anybody who is, you know, buying into whatever bullshit Trump and his cronies now discuss is just like they were, they're, they already believed whatever was going to be said. It was not.

It's not like there, you don't have to reach to get them to buy into it. They're, these are people who are just dying to believe any story that is out there. And so anyhow, but, but, but so we're in, we're in the end game now, as they say in the great Avengers film, end game. We're, we're, we're 20 awesome days, 20 odd days away from the most important election. And probably in American history, I wouldn't imagine at this point. I mean, maybe that's reaching, but I think we're definitely at a point where it's like, we're going to go, um, you know, we're going fascist dictatorship, or we're going to try to like keep democracy going in this country, some form of democracy as broken. However broken it may be, uh, Senator Mike Lee from Utah, this is a big hubbub today on Twitter. This is of course Thursday, Thursday, October 8, 2020. Mike Lee, Senator, US Senator from Utah, it's literally like, democracy is overrated. We shouldn't just have rank democracy as he describes it.

So literally like him just coming out in support of like a fascistic or dictatorial regime, which is, you know, I did, I could not have had that on my bingo card necessarily. It's like, you know, people have stopped saying, they have, everybody's kind of saying the quiet part loud now. You know, it's like Trump today, they announced this is again the October 8th. They announced that they're going to hold the next presidential debate via, you know,

do it remotely because Trump is a walking pus bag of infectious diseases. And those weren't their exact words, but I think that was the kind of the gist. And Trump was like, I'm not going to do it. I'm not gonna sit on, you know what I'm saying? They can mute you. Like, it's like, yeah, okay. I gave away his whole, like, the only strategy he ever works with was just like, keep talking. Yeah, you could talk over.

He's like, I'm only in debate. If I could talk over the person and yell over them, it's just the whole time. It's like, you know, it would be, it is poison to Trump to debate in an, in an venue where the volume of your voice has no bearing on the conversation, you know, where it's like you actually have to talk about things.

That is, you know, very dangerous to him. He also called Kamala Harris a monster several times on Fox. And I was thinking like to Trump She is a monster because the scariest thing he can imagine is a black woman who has power And so I think in the world in the world of Trump like what it would be considered a monster to him is like that very thing And so it kind of makes sense In the way that kids imagine like the scary thing they can imagine is like that there's like a monster under the bed or something like in the closet, you know, because their world is not very expansive.

They're not like I'm not afraid of, you know, they're not afraid of serial killers. Anyhow, so it's just a real disgusting mess out there, politically, you know, but in elsewhere, it's also a bad mess, but I'd say less of a bad mess. I mean, there's a new Mel Gibson movie where he plays Santa Claus. No, no, thank you. Yes. Mel Gibson is a broke violent angry Santa Claus in Fat Man trailer, a dark action comedy. It's like, you know, no, thanks, starring Mel Gibson. It's like, I'm good. You mean the guy, the racist anti-Semite who belongs to a Catholic cult? I think we got enough of those in government, don't we?

I don't have to fucking see it on the silver screen as well. I love this idea that like he, we owe him a second chance. Like for what? Like, what is it? It's a dude's man. You've got to be a famous movie star. If you just go back to normal, that's what you're owed. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, I don't know what to tell you.'s what you're owed. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, I will say like, you know, Mel Gibson was like the king of the world for like 20 years. Yeah, like that's enough, I think. You know? I mean, just to be clear, he could have had titles to being like Prince of the Universe for life.

I mean, Mel Gibson's career wasn't on a downturn when he was like caught on tape being a racist anti-Semite. No, it was not. He was doing great. He was doing the passion of the Christ. No, no, no, no, no. This is I think pre-passion of the Christ. I mean, I think this might be around the same time.

They're very intermingled. I feel like that stuff all came like intermingled with this, but you know, he was like hot shit. You know, Mel Gibson was hot shit. He had every opportunity in the world in Hollywood. And all he had to do was not be racist and not be anti-Semitic. And now like we're supposed to be like, okay, Mel, you've paid your dues. You've gone for 10 years without making millions and millions and millions of dollars. He's also just like never apologized. Like he's just like never really said sorry for that or for beating his wife. No, I mean, well, you know, listen, uh, sometimes, who knows? I speak of wife, speaking of speaking of what I'm not googling it, speaking of wife beaters.

This is another story I saw today, Brad Parscale, who was the was the now, I don't know if you know who Brad Parscale is, uh, Tony, uh, get his, I'm just gonna get his data up here. The Brad Parscale was this fucking alt-right, fucking piece of shit, who was like, Trump's like digital director for 2016. And then, everyone was like, he's such a genius because they just like flooded Facebook with memes. He basically was like the guy behind, you know, like the,

you know, racist, sexist, you know, weird, right wing, Nazi memes that people are like, oh, that really helped Trump win the election. He's basically an in-sell or something. He's basically like a computer nerd, you know. He's like a weird computer nerd who somehow got like hired by Trump. So after 2016, they're like, this guy's a genius. This is our guy, right? He's like a weird computer nerd who somehow got like hired by Trump. So after 2016, they're like, this guy's a genius.

This is our guy, right? And he became the, they made him the campaign manager for 2020. I mean, he basically was a web developer. He actually, he began work for the Trump organization in 2011, developing and designing websites and creating and managing digital media strategies. So, he was like a part-time web developer

for the Trump organization. Anyhow, so yeah, he named him his campaign manager. And Parscale was like, I remember like not, several months ago, and I'm gonna get, I'll talk about Tulsa, but like several months ago, and I'm gonna get, I'll talk about Tulsa, but like several months ago he was like, we're about to launch the Death Star. Like, and it was like a tweet about how

they were going to launch this huge digital campaign. Here I'll just reach it, the tweet. Actually, this will be part of a tweet sequence that I do later in the day. For nearly three years, we've been building a juggernaut campaign, Death Star. It is firing on all cylinders, data, digital, TV, political, surrogates, coalitions, et cetera. In a few days, we start pressing fire for the first time. This is on May 7. Just to be clear, he was

like, we're the people with the Death Star, which on its own is just like, you know, those are the bad guys in the movie and the Death Star gets blown up, right? Just, I just want to make sure you understand how that goes down and anyhow. So then, anyhow, long and short, then he was like, he was the person behind this Talsa Rally, the famed Trump Talsasa rally, which took the life of the beautiful valuable life of the wonderful Herman Cain due to COVID. But he was like on Twitter talking about how the Tulsa rally that ate on 800,000 people at RSVP for this rally at the height of COVID, well, I mean, the first height of the COVID

outbreak in America. And, uh, and, you know, needless to say, he, you know, ate complete shit. Nobody came to the rally. It was an absolute disaster. Herman Cain died afterwards, and it's considered to be, you know, one of Trump's biggest embarrassments, uh, you know, which is saying something because the guy is like embarrassing every single day, every minute of every single day for the most part. is like embarrassing every single day, every minute of every single day for the most part. Anyhow, then he got fired from the Trump campaign, of course, because that's how it goes. And then recently, he threatened to kill himself on Facebook live or something. It was arrested in his underwear while beating his wife because she wouldn't have sex with him or something.

So there's no real point to the story, except to say what a fucking loser. And it couldn't have happened. Again, just like COVID like, what a fucking loser and it couldn't have happened. Again, just like COVID, the COVID infections around the White House couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. But it's interesting to see all of these people that are around Trump to be exposed for the absolute garbage that they are.

Just like the worst people with the worst ideas, are. You know, just like the worst people with the worst ideas, you know, like awful fucking, you know, awful positions, politically awful positions, personally, just garbage people. It's interesting now to see it at the end of this 2020 election season, there's just a lot of come-up incidents that is happening. Just a lot of it's almost like it took four years for these things to really like make their way to the surface. You know, it's like Trump's taxes and this guy and the COVID stuff that's all over the White House. You know, it's like, oh, all of the things that they've been trying to hide or cover up or lie about are now just just being completely unearthed and unmasked to use the words of my man, Rand Paul.

That's one thing. One other thing I'll say is Trump is very ill with COVID-19. He's wandering around the White House apparently. I'm sorry. He is ranting and raving in videos like, like, we know he's insane, but like a mad man. Like he honestly sounds, it sounds like he's doing an impression of a crazy person.

It's like, he's like drawing with his own shit on the walls. Yeah, so we're in like, we're in, like, and this is real, like, we're really in, like, the emperor has no clothes territory. 100%. Like, it's actually, it's actually really crazy, you know, like the story, I don't know for if Tony knows the emperor has no clothes concept, but in essence, it's like all of these people around the emperor telling him that he's fully clothed when he's in fact totally

nude, like appeasing and propping up and making up lies to like satisfy this like insane leader, you know, this insane emperor. And like this is like what we're like literally what's happening in America right now, it's so fucking weird. You know, he is infectious. No one is in the hospital for five days and then goes out of the hospital. Like, first off, that doesn't happen if you need oxygen for COVID-19. They keep you there for a while because things can change really rapidly. But he is producing the disease in his body and he is an infectious person. They refuse to talk about when he's last had a negative test, which I assume has been refused to talk about when he's last had a negative test, which I assume has been weeks ago at this point. He is clearly unwell every video that he does.

He seems like either mentally deranged or physically unfit. And you just keep hearing these stories about how he's kind of just doing, you know, the doctors reports aren't even, they're not even like real reports. They're like, oh, Trump reports that he's feeling good, which is not a, like if you told the doc, if you were in the hospital and the doctor came in and they were like, how do you feel? And you were like, yeah, I feel pretty good.

They wouldn't just leave, you know? They go, okay, great, let's do some tests and see what's going on. They'd say, let's check your antibody levels. You know, the doctor was like, oh, it should be noted. He's producing antibodies. He's like, yes, you gave him an antibody treatment with the express purpose of producing antibodies in his in his system It's like that is not notable. What would be noticeable? Notables if you said oh He's actually testing negative now, you know

If you could give some specifics. Oh, he, you know, this, he was having breathing at this level and now like, you know, he had pneumonia, you know, his lungs were this x, y, and z, now they're this. I mean, they're not saying anything about his health. I mean, we don't know anything. Trump himself just said, I don't think I'm infectious. I don't feel infectious, which is just like, that's how you do it. If you feel infectious, you are, you are.

If you don't feel infectious, you are not. That's exactly you do it. If you feel infectious, you are, you are. If you don't feel infectious, you are not. That's exactly how infections work. He also, I mean, it's also, you know, insane that today there's a story that he had the doctors of Walter Reed sign NDAs and the people, the doctors who wouldn't sign the NDAs are in like barred from working on him. So, so the people who are taking care of him at Walter Reed. By the way, the president serves at the expense of and the and the will of the taxpayers, you know, he is a he is he is an employee of the taxpayers of America, just to be clear. And I think it's pretty important to know

if like your number one employee, if you're CEO of the company, he's like the CEO of the company of America, that we're all, that all the shareholders are paying for is like gonna kick the bucket. Pretty important to know, you wanna know like what's your plan, right? You know, who's, you know, are you ready to hand over the reins does Mike Pence?

I mean Mike Pence we didn't even talked about the debate But you know you ready to hand over the reins my pants anyhow So like there's just like we're just in really in cloud cuckoo land right now I mean we are in a total fantasy of Of American politics We are we have a person in the White House who is mentally unfit and physically unfit to serve as president of this country who's making these weird hostage tapes on his own.

What it seems like on his own, he's made up badly. He looks on well, he's breathing heavily, he's panting, he seems to be in pain. And now he's just strolling around infecting more people at the White House as if like this is something you can think away. And it's nuts, it's nuts. And now they're like, he's saying he won't do the debate

because it's gonna be remote. I think it's unlikely that he'll stick to that because he needs an audience. But I'll be honest with you, and this is like, I'm not saying this to be a dickhead or whatever, if you're a Republican, although I don't know why you'd be listening to this if you're a Republican unless you love to be agitated. I would not be surprised if Trump dies in the next couple of weeks. Well, what's crazy is that there's a huge pattern with this disease of people getting

sick, feeling better, being on drugs and feeling a lot better, and then having some level of recovery more livable, and then completely collapsing, because what you're doing is you're covering up the symptoms of the disease with steroids and pain killers and all this stuff. It's also just like a completely unpredictable disease. We're still just working out why, I mean, we have a vague idea, but we're working out like why it does, but it does to the heart and why it does, but it does to the brain and why it does. I mean, like Mike Pence last night had one, we can get into the debate in a bit,

but he had one of his eyes, he's all bloodshot and it's like, well, that's just going to cause a bunch of speculation because COVID can cause pink eye. And it's like another random weird part of this disease that we don't fully understand yet. And so for him to random, weird part of this is these that we don't fully understand yet. And so for him to just be on a bunch of experimental treatments, which themselves are dice rolls and walking around saying he's fine.

Like I honestly think he's more likely to die because of all of this like bullshit behavior and all of this treatment. Like I honestly think like, I wouldn't be shocked if he died in the next two weeks. I also wouldn't be shocked if he didn't die in the next two weeks. Like, it's just so random at this point, but that should not be, that is so bad for this country and so bad for the, like, government and for the world stabilization for the

president of the United States to just be on shuffle with like life or death. Like, it's, I mean, it's destabilizing in a way that we haven't had, I mean, in my lifetime, I, I, I were China, China, China, as my president likes to call them. I would attack America right now.

I mean, we've never been weaker. We've never been more fucked up. I mean, I'm not saying they should do it. I don't want that to happen, but. I mean, if you weren't because he's crazy enough to push the push the new button. Yeah, that's that is the one thing we have going for us is that he's just walking around stumbling around in his robe with a fucking Kleenex boxes on his feet, but also with the nuclear football in one of his hands. You know, if he if he can lift it, anyhow, but you

know, I just it's just like, yeah, we just seem like a total cluster of fuck right now and I have to say I have to say We what I think everybody wants in this country and I think that a lot of Republicans and I actually Maybe it's wishful thinking maybe it's you know, maybe it's dumb to to feel this way, but I actually think some Some more modern Republicans who were like, you know, this guy could, you know, really mix things up. And you know, I liked, you know, his energy and, you know, he's a smart businessman or whatever bullshit they told themselves. What my mom said to me was she said, and I don't, I don't think she voted for Trump.

I think this was her way of defending like what dad did is, she said, I think that the people who voted for him just thought it would be something different and we've never really had something different. Yes. And that totally gets like a complete aphorism, but it's also, that's what people vote on. I mean, I watched the undecided voters last night again, because I'm a glutton for punishment.

And the people were just like the things that they decided on was like Mike Penn seems confident and she seems cocky. And there's a difference between confident and cocky. And you're like, yeah, there's undecided, those undecided voters were decided. I'm sorry. You could tell by just their faces that they had made up their minds. It is not a mystery who they were going to vote for. It's such bullshit. It is not a mystery who they were going to vote for. It's such bullshit. I mean, such bullshit. I mean, that they didn't, they're undecided.

Anyhow, but, okay, but I hear what you're saying. I don't believe in undecided voters. I really don't. I think you've got to be like, you've something mentally wrong with you. Like, you might have a met some kind of disability. If you at this point don't aren't sure which party and what ideals you're voting for.

Like you have to eat so low information. But even people that quote unquote don't engage with politics, they don't know anything that's going on. You have to fucking know at this point because you can't leave your goddamn house. Right, right. But also, there's just basic things. Like I'm pro-life, I'm not pro-life.

You know, I'm pro-choice, I'm pro-life. Like those are things that you should know at this point if you're an adult, how you not pro life. I'm pro choice, I'm pro life. Like those are things that you should know at this point if you're an adult, how you feel about that. You know, I'm for, you know, I want religion in my schools, I don't want religion in my schools, you know, I believe in, you know, equal rights for all races in this country and all people, or I don't believe in that. Like those are things that are just basic party platforms that are very easy to wrap your head equal rights for all races in this country and all people or I don't believe in that. Like those are things that are just basic party platforms that are very easy to wrap your head around and you should just go and look immigration.

I want there to be better immigration laws that allow more people to successfully enter our country and become citizens, you know, productive citizens of America because that's I believe that's part of the American, you know, the American, quote unquote, American dream. I think America should be a predominantly white, only white first nation, white Christian, white nation. We should let as few immigrants as possible. And these are, these are various, like, easy to figure out basic platforms. You don't have to say, I like Mike Pence or I like Kamala Harris.

You just have to be able to answer a question about how you feel about really basic issues affecting you You know like I think we should send more jobs overseas. I think we should tax billionaires more I think we should give tax breaks to the richest or the the middle class and and and Lower end of the income spectrum. You know, these are very simple questions at any rate What the fuck were we talking about I had a point to make what were we talking about? I had a point to make. What were we talking about just before you mentioned the voters, the Trump that people wanted something different?

I was going to say, I think that I totally understand to a degree. Now I of course heard what Donald Trump said and I was like, this person's racist and I would never vote for a racist person. No matter if I agree with every single policy, except for when he said that Mexicans were rapists, I'd be like, oh, well, that's it. For me, I'm out. He could have been like, I'm pro choice,

and pro immigration, and we need to defund the police and all that other shit. But if he was like, oh, also in Mexicans are rapists, and everybody should go back to their shit hole countries, I'd be like, well, so much for my love affair with Donald Trump, you know, but I totally understand you heard some things that he said and you're like, let's mix it up. But I think at this point, even the Republicans who were like, let's give it a whirl.

Are feeling very fatigued. This is what I believe. I believe they're feeling everyone's feeling really fucking tired of this annoying, blabber mouth, who is won't shut fatigued. This is what I believe. I believe they're feeling everyone's feeling really fucking tired of this annoying, blabber mouth who is won't shut the fuck up and won't get the job done and only is just causing more and more bullshit in our country. And so I think that what is possible, you know, is that you just see the polls and it's like Biden's 10 plus does whatever. I think there may be some Republicans who get into the fucking booth. And they're like, you know what?

I don't really mind Joe Biden, but I can't fucking stand Donald Trump. You know, I actually think that's a possibility. Oh, so I was gonna ask, did your parents vote for Obama? Yes, my parents were Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump. Now I'm not voting. I mean, that shit can work out the pattern there. No, I mean, I, there's no pattern.

The only pattern is they like to mix it up. I mean, the only pattern is like, they pick the winner. Okay. Well, not voting is, is a way of picking a winner, I guess. I'll take it again. I'll take it. But here's the thing that's interesting. I think the Obama Trump voters, there was a woman on the undecided voters. A group last night who looked like, uh, basically like a Florida woman. Like, I was like, I don't know. I haven't heard from a group last night who looked like a Florida woman.

Like I was like, I don't know, I haven't heard from this woman, but she looks like a batch of crazy woman from Florida because I have a fair share of the, I have some of those in my, some of those people in my family and have certainly known a fair share of them. And I was like, this is a woman who was like,

I'm voting for a bomb, I'm now voting for Trump. Like that's, that's an undecided voter. That's, I don't know what that is. That's like an agent. They're picking the more, no, they're picking the more entertaining person. Yeah, they're picking. Yeah, they're voting on like the way you vote on, you know, America's got to be more. American Idol.

Yeah, like American Idol actually, no, but American Idol, you have to, like, people do have like singing capabilities, but on America's Got Talent, it's like, you might just be like a knife-thrower or whatever. And that could be thrilling in a way that like, a break to answer isn't, you know? Like, I think, you know, and I think that you're right, but I do think part of the reason for that is that like, I think where America has grown tired with this show

and we're not, we were as much as I hate him, we were a little bit in love with hating him or it with him for a while because it was so beyond the pale of anything that had ever been allowed or we had ever seen or. And it was so fascinating. Even if you hated him, you couldn't stop thinking about how much you fucking hated him.

And now I think we're all just fucking tired. And I do think that the shine of talking about him has gone off of it. Similar to like, I always think of him in the way, I really do always think of him the way that I think about how Britney Spears was in 2007 because it was America's past time to like, shit on or defend or just obsess about this person because it was just a shattering of norms.

Like, you know, celebrities are supposed to be perfect at all times and they're supposed to have perfect teeth and they're supposed to always say the right thing. And if they mess up, they do a quick apology on the cover of the magazine and it's gone and we never see any of it. And she was literally like shitting and like fucking throwing an umbrella at the police and like like she lost her mind. And I think we were fat. America loves a breakdown and then like a comeback. That we were such a self-destructive people. We just we we want to just like jam all this crazy shit in. And it's exciting. It's tabloid.

We do love we do love the comeback. I mean, that is a I mean, there's something people love. I mean, there is like like the underdog, whatever you want to call it. Like, there's something that love. I mean, there is like, like the underdog, whatever you want to call it, like there's something that the America seems to enjoy about like, we like thinking that it could be us, that like, that like, we could be the ones to ride from the all the way from the bottom to the top and that like, and, and, and we would deserve it.

And like, anybody can be is redeemable and anybody can be rich and anybody can be special. And everybody is special and so That whole narrative has to be played out and full for it to be the most satisfying version of itself Like America has to become so debased. It needs to be shaving its head and fucking Walking itself in the bathroom and getting 50 150 and then people will go we're at rock bottom You know what well I also worry now. Let's go. let's get it back. Let's be the America Obama saw. And it's like, it's fucking exhausting because

these humans are dead. I agree with you, except I also think it can be boiled down to even less of a mystery than that. I think it can just, it just really is, we like people love a show. And, and there, it's like, there is a certain segment of the audience that doesn't know when the show goes from like,

humorous entertainment to like, a real fucking problem. You know, like, like to something that's really scary. And I think it was obvious to me for the beginning that Trump was a side show. And to me, I was like, I would never take this person seriously. But it's like, it's like somehow the media, which I think is, the media is very, very disease

and needs to be completely upended. And I don't mean like in the way that the alt-right and the fucking right wing talks talks about but there is something truly deranged about the way the media covers Like just covers stories like like when the media does stuff You know, and this is like the New York Times view. It's like you know They cover the first debate of this season the presidential debate and, and it's like, it's like, barbs fly as chaos, as the debate devolves into chaos.

It's like, no, it's not like this thing that just was invented that both of these, both of the candidates were just crazy. It's like Biden said like things that were normal reactions to a person who was absolutely out of control. There was only one person who made it chaotic, And yet the media covers it with this weird like they can't understand what real people talk and think like. Like they have this weird scene of this is how we talk about these things. And we never deviate from those, even if it's so obvious that a deviation is required. Like last night at the...

They confuse norms and they confuse neutrality and both sides of them with professionalism and with standards and ethics. And those aren't standards and ethics. Those aren't professionalism. That isn't being good at your job because you don't change based on the circumstances does not mean you're good at your job. It means you're not adapting to the circumstances. It drives me fucking nuts. Like last night at the at the VP debate, you know, people were like, people were like, or the the Susan Page who is was the moderator, you know, never, never, when she would ask like, Penser, even Kamala, a question and they would just not answer and just go to some other topic, she was never like, hold on a second, you didn't answer my question. And I wanted direct answer to this question. You know,

she said, when she was like, would you accept, well, you accept that the results of the election, you know, he basically dodged it and talked about something else. And I would have come back and said like, if, you know, you realize if you don't, I mean, something would, a normal person would have said, hold on a second. You need to tell me if you'll accept the results of the election or not.

We have had elections in this country for hundreds of years and no one has ever, the only time ever there has been a dispute over the results was when there was a legitimate dispute over who won the fucking election in 2000, you know? And it wasn't even like, you know, it wasn't even like somebody claimed they won when somebody else did it.

It was like, we need to figure out who won. And then it was stolen by the Republicans because they're bastards. But, but you know what I mean? Like, I would, if I was, you know, Ryan, if I asked you if I was like, you know, did you, did you, will you, if I ask you to leave the house, will you leave? Like because I'm, I think I need to go to bed pretty soon You're like you know You know houses all houses are different and they also have windows some have doors, you know some some don't and but what's really important

But what's really important is that is that you know we treat houses fairly You know I'd be like, hold on a second. Will you leave or not? Like, you didn't answer my question. I need a fucking answer. I'm going to bed. You know, it's like, they're like, why would a, why would a moderator?

It's like, there's so stuck in their own dipshit media brain, journalism, weird, like, journalism, TV, voice, brain, that they can't talk to people. Like if you watch from other countries, if you watch Australian interviews or even British interviews very often, French people who are interviewing in France, they do not let people just not answer questions. There's something about the American theater of journalism, quote unquote journalism, that prevents us, like we think it's rude to ask a follow-up,

we think it's rude to not let somebody wiggle out of an answer. I think it's fucking insane. I think if you ask somebody, if they will accept the result of the election, when there is zero indication, zero, from every possible front, except for Donald Trump's big fat fucking mouth, that there would be anything untoward in this election,

anything that is fraudulent or anything that is deviates from the norms that we've experienced in every other election, that you wouldn't say like, how can you sit here and not answer a question when there is no reason to believe that there would be anything wrong with the results of this election? You know, there's never before in the history of the fucking presidency has a president said, maybe I won't accept the results, I'm not going to leave. I'm going to fight the results of the election That's madness That's madness. That's all we have separating us from dictatorship is that you can say we elected we the people elected a new person

Now you got to get the fuck out You know and if we can't do that and and if you got you have a media that wants to treat this shit with kid gloves Like like you're gonna hurt little Mike little Mike Pence's feelings might get bru and if you got, you have a media that wants to treat this shit with kid gloves like, like, you're going to hurt little Mike, little Mike Pence's feelings might get bruised if you ask him a tough question and you force him to answer. You know, mother may not be very happy with him afterwards. He may get scolded when he gets home. But fuck you, like, get them to answer the question. Get them to answer the fucking question. Don't act like it's okay if they just say bullshit and then you move on.

It is. It's also like, it's just not a heart. It's not a difficult thing to do. Like getting an answer out of somebody is not that difficult. You just need to say you didn't answer the question. Sir, no, you didn't answer the question. I'm going to repeat, we will not be moving on. You need to answer this question.

As much as I hate Chuck Wallace, he did do that. It's not that difficult. And if you're monitoring as a baby, I want to give him too many questions. I'm not. I'm not. But he managed to do that bare minimum. And if you're moderating a debate at an election at this cataclysmic moment, it's shocking. It's shocking that you don't think it's your journalistic duty to get the answer. You think it's your journalistic duty to be polite? That's shocking. It's shocking that you don't think it's your journalistic duty to get the answer. You think it's your journalistic duty to be polite. Like that's insanity. That's what I'm saying. I mean, it's it's truly like

staggering to me that we're even in a place that we're still in a place where we're talking about like, you know, God forbid, we solely the good name of USA today. Yeah. Oh, I mean, it's just bullshit. It's just crazy to me that we can't derive an answer. We can't get an answer from a person. We can't say like, you need to, this is like what you're here for. You need to answer. You need to have an answer for this. You need to be able to tell people if you are willing to accept their vote as valid. I mean, to me, that is like the bedrock

of the democracy here, you know? Will you accept the validity of the voters choices? And if you say maybe not, I think you're that very, those very words forfeit you from being allowed to hold office. You know? Yeah, because then what's the fucking point? What's the, how can we trust you?

If you believe that you know better or more than every other elected official in the history of this country, almost without fail, you know, like what the you, what the fuck is going on? So yeah, anyhow, a lot of bad shit going on in the world right now. Very uncool. Not in the world, really, just a man. I actually all over the world, but America's particularly heinous. Anyhow, we're going to know really soon, Tony. I got to, and I'm going to tell you something. You have my promise.

If Biden wins, which I believe he can then should and will, I'm going to be so done talking about politics on this podcast. So many other things. I will change the foundation of my personality. If we're being, I was talking about this last night with my brother in law. And we were like, remember when like weeks would go by and you didn't know what, you know, you didn't know what the president was doing. He was, he was doing regular presidential stuff. Maybe you'd see like, oh, he signed

a new bill or he's, well, well, you know, whatever, like, you know, he's traveling to Cairo or whatever things that a president does. You need to hear shit about scandals that, you know, Bob, Bob was big a scandal was like, the people were mad. He wore a tan suit one time. Like, that's the kind of stuff people were talking about with Obama, you know? And listen, I'm not saying he was a perfect president, not by any means. There are lots of things that he did

that I don't agree with. There are way more things he did that I do agree with, I should say. But like I am very happy to not be thinking about talking about hearing about, worrying about, screaming about, podcasting about the president of the United States and what they're doing today.

Like, honestly, isn't that interesting to me? It was never that interesting to me. The only reason it's become a topic of conversation in the world and on this podcast and anywhere else that you go, it's because we have an absolute fucking madman in the White House who just has made all of our lives chaotic every day with his bullshit.

This is what I'm saying. I think that there are people who are just like, you know, I'm a Republican, but I'm fucking exhausted. You know, I need at least four years off from whatever this is, from whatever this feeling is. And I think a lot of other people feel that way. I don't think I could have lived through this again. I think that was a one shot for this body.

I really don't think I would make it through this again. I think that was a one shot for this body. I really don't think I would make it through another four years of this exact stuff playing out. Like it's, this is not the way human beings are supposed to live. Like, no. And honestly, like we're keeping the rest of the world in like our species hostage right now. Over what?

Over like fucking this, this bozo in self-tanner and whether or not he decided to do a racism today, like it's insanity. I understand that like this country is, there's a mental illness epidemic and we don't educate people and there's horrible voter suppression, but like guys, we have to be better than this. Like in order to survive as a species that created nuclear weapons, we have to be better than this. And we can to be better than this.

And we can never be like this again. It's shocking because like you, I use people constantly say like never forget about the Holocaust. We keep doing this again in a hundred years. Like this has to sell. Well, you would, you would like to think, well, I mean, the crazy thing is you would like to think, I mean, I've heard is you would like to think, I've heard my entire life, people talk about the Holocaust and talk about concentration camps

and the way immigrants were treated in Germany, Jewish immigrants and other immigrants were treated and how that sort of snowballed into mass exterminations in genocide and world war. And what the mantra has been been my whole life is like net We can never forget we could you we must we you know learn the past so we can never repeat it or whatever um and yet here we are like on the precipice of exactly the same shit with just a different group of people and it's like if you were to replace you know the the the what you know words, you know, illegal aliens or Mexicans

or whatever Trump says in his cronies say, with Jews, you'd be like, oh my God. But it's like somehow our brains are incapable of making the appropriate connection. I mean, but also there's a lot of people who are still saying that about Jews. Like, I'm sure. And you heard the same group.

It's true, it's fucked up. And it's a mess, you know, it's fucked up and it's a mess. It's a messy, horrible, upsetting, depressing situation that I honestly thought in my lifetime I would not find myself in. I guess I like naively was like, I don't know. It's the belief, it's the 90s neolib thing of just like history is over and now all that's left

is to manage like neoliberal capitalism and like it's all we did it guys like it's just all up from here the arc of history will just keep getting better. We solved it and it's like that's not true. We have to maintain and manage this shit. We can't ignore when there's a movement of conservatives trying to push judges through to change the way the law is works. We can't ignore that when we cut education funding and health funding.

We can't ignore these things and be like, well, you know, it was nice when we had it, but we're managing. Like those, we didn't, Trump didn't happen all at once. And like all of this, the COVID did not happen all at once. This is a death by a thousand paper cuts from Reagan on. And I wish that I didn't sound so partisan when I say that because I don't want people to not hear it. But like, there is one party in this country that has been systematically undermining this country

so that they could get a little tiny something in the short term for decades. And like, of course course the bill came. And it's crazy to me that we're even considering going down the same path. I think some of the most impactful stuff that Biden and Harris have said on the debate stage is like, do you want four more years of this or do you want a fresh start and another to try something else? Because anything else has to be better than this.

Yeah, I mean, it doesn't have to be that fresh of a star. We just need to kind of like go back a little bit to the path we were on. The increase, I will take, I mean, we are at the point, I mean, listen, we've been talking about this through the entire Trump presidency, maybe before you know, like we, I think you and I both would like more revolutionary thinking in our government, you know, like we, I think you and I both would like

more revolutionary thinking in our government, you know, I think that we would like bigger, bolder, more progressive plans to come into play, you know, things like, you know, healthcare for all, things like, you know, a much larger and more substantial taxation of the mega wealthy, a better distribution of government programs to the people of this country. I mean, there's lots of things, I'd like to see the government make a much larger investment in schools

and schooling for children in this fucking country. Like we have such a horrible education system in this country. Anyhow, but like, there are a lot of things I would like to see happen that are dramatic, but at this point, it's like, just we need to go back to even some of the incremental nature of where America,

the trip to America was on. We just have to stop spiraling. Like, at this point, just staying where we are would be an improvement because I don't know what my life is gonna look like in six months if this shit continues. And I mean, nothing, not even to mention that we don't have a choice when it comes to climate change. Do you want to do COVID on a much bigger and completely irreversible scale again in a

couple decades? Because that is the path we are hurtling towards and have been. And like, you know how everybody now is suddenly like well we've got to trust the scientists. Guess what the scientists are also saying. Our number one priority needs to be COVID and our number two priority after that has to be climate change. It has to be because I'm like apoplectic about it because when I last night, Kamala kept talking about, and I get it, they think that saying that they will stop cracking is even though the president doesn't really have a ton of authority over that.

They think if they say that they're anti-fracking, they'll lose Pennsylvania, which is, I don't agree with, I don't think that that's actually true, but it is political dogma to believe that. To hear that thrown around though so casually, and to hear them shit on the green new deal, even though I know that they don't I actually truly don't believe that at least at least Kamala I don't believe she thinks the green new deal is some like horrible extremist thing.

But the fact that the climate has discussed for a couple minutes and then we move on and we all have like we ritualistically have to shit on basic solutions. Like, you're doing with climate change, what Trump did with COVID, it's complete denialism and playing it down. And I guess for me, like, once we get him out of office, I feel like I need to throw myself from being, like, doing as much as I can to stop Trump and like to get him out and uproot him.

And I feel like we need to take this political energy and put it into the next looming crisis because like I really do want humanity to like progress and survive. Like I don't want it to end with us. Like I don't know why that that's such a like, I don't know. I don't know how you get through to people. I still don't know how you get through to people. I don't know what is changing. I mean, gastro- public opinion is changing because people are losing things in the short term, but I don't know how you get through to people to like understand issues. I really don't.

I don't think I'm, I guess I'm not good at it. Like I'm good at writing, but I don't know how to... I don't know how to change someone's mind at this point. I'm just, I'm just frustrated, I guess. And this just has to end. Like I can't think about this shit anymore. I wanna just do other things with my life. Same. In a room and worry about one old man. I couldn't just, I mean, I couldn't agree with you more.

And yeah, I'm just like, the next 25 days or so can't go by fast enough. I mean, I'm just, it's just like, at this point also, I don't know. Again, the alternative seems like there is an alternative to me. Like, if you don't know you now what you're going to do on election day, my fear is not that people don't vote for the right person. It's that we have a, like, an actual situation where we're talking, like, it's like a civil war. I mean, it's that we have like an actual situation where we're talking like it's like civil war. I mean, it's like coup. That's where we're at. I meant that territory

we're talking about being in. Like, if the president says, I don't accept these findings and I, you know, they're trying to push through this fucking Supreme Court. I mean, the president yesterday the president Trump literally was like, we we're gonna stop trying to get stimulus money for the American people who are like, historically suffering out of work, economically devastated. We're done with that because I need to ram through this Supreme Court nominee who,

I believe, I mean, he basically said this out loud, just being installed for the express purpose of him feeling like he'll need a Supreme Court tiebreaker on some bullshit that happens with the election, which from what I can tell is being solely created by him and Bill Barr, you know. And so it's like, it's really, I'd say it's scary, but at this point, it's like the fatigue is overwhelming that it's just more than anything. It's just, it's just tiring,

and I just wanna get to the, let's get to the bullshit so we can get the bullshit over with as quickly as possible. You know what I mean? Like, let's get to year, whatever your play is gonna be about how the election's been stolen and let's see where it goes. Because I do think there's got to be some. I think what happens is I told John this earlier because I, he was like,

he's worried about all of this. I think we get a definitive answer that Biden won that night or the next day, that Biden won. And then once Biden, like Trump refused to have a concession speech, he refuses to call Biden, he refuses to, he gives a speech about how he did actually win and this is an ending here. Biden gives a speech declaring victory

and like not express's expressly calling out Trump, but saying that like this is a decisive victory and we won't like stand for anything else. Then Trump files a million fucking lawsuits in every state and this shit plays out for two months of him bitching and kicking and screaming and shitting himself. And then he eventually is pushed out of the White House by just the sheer overwhelming amount of the American public, but also like, I don't think the military will stand with him. I really don't think I think the majority of the state governors aren't going to take the stand for this. I think at some point he gets

out. Well, there's also there's also the inauguration. He doesn't go, he becomes a giant piss baby on OAN and or like Trump TV or whatever. And he shits himself for the next 20 years before he fucking croaks because of course he's going to live forever. It's just, it's like a cockroach. He's just nothing for some reason, nothing can kill him. I do think that's probably close to accurate. I do think that once, if it is it, you know, I don't believe we're going to be in a situation with a selection where we're like, it's a 10,000 vote difference or 100,000 vote difference. If that were the case, it's a different story. I think the Republicans truly believe, I think their rats are scurrying off the ship at

this point. I think it's chaos over there. I don't think they have faith in their movement. In him, I don't think they understand even what they're doing at this point. And the people who are completely blindly faithful to him are like cult like. And I don't think that's a very effective way to like make change or get what you want done. Like it cults don't get a ton done. Yeah, and I think that the other thing is that I do think if you flip, if a bunch of seats flip in the Senate, which is very possible now, if the House continues to look, you know,

I don't know how many House elections there are, gotta be a handful. I don't know how that works actually, I'm very dumb. But you know, I'm just saying, the House is controlled by the Democrats. If the Senate becomes controlled by the Democrats, and the victory is decisive, I think it's going to be really hard to convince almost anybody that that's a fight that is worth having or that can be won, you know? And I also, you know, I say, like, I think, you know, from everything I've heard, Amy County Barrett is a not a smart or good choice for someone to be on the Supreme Court for this country.

But I don't think, but I don't think it necessarily is a foregone conclusion that she would, you know, vote against the will of the American people if it was clear, you know? I don't know. I mean, I think with that whole situation, I mean, and of course, you know, Biden and Harris have not, except like they haven't made a clear statement on court packing because they want to leave their options open and they don't want to alienate the left. But I think like that whole mess, it can't get to that point.

I don't think that these lawsuits will get to that point. I don't think that people are gonna entertain this. I think they would have four years ago, but I think everyone is so done with this, including like the judiciary system. Like I think, I really think that people are fed up. Even the people he's appointed, like I think it's just a, it's time. I think you look at him walking around the White House,

ranting and raving like a crazy person. He's embarrassing himself at debates. He's like, Pence looks exhausted with him. Pence last night just looked at, and he's fucking evil. And I feel no empathy for him. But he did look exhausted with having to apologize and talk around and make excuses for this man that he clearly has disdain for. And I think it, I will forever laugh at the like fucking errands or canism of then at the ending, the Republicans go to the White House and they say it's time to

go, Donnie, or whatever fucking bullshit. But I do think that will be a vibe of just like, it's over. I don't think it can, it will play out like 2000. I think the people are just done and it will be such a decisive, I really believe this, and I'm not going to be on wood right now. It will be such a decisive amount of votes that he can do all the pissing and shitting that he wants to do, presuming that he's alive. But all I think it will amount to is eventually a vodka will run for some kind of seed. And so bring up how her dad was stolen from him or whatever, and that'll be in five years, 10 years.

No, thank you. No, thank you. I mean, just, you know, won't be tiffing it. She can do whatever she wants, but no, thank you. Anyhow, all right, well, let's see. Just you know won't be Tiffany. She can do whatever she wants but no thank you Um Anyhow all right. Well, let's see we've talked a lot about politics I mean, I don't even do we even need to talk about the debate. I mean how much do we talk about the debate?

No, I mean people you know the fly the fly the fly Funny how bloody I fly lies or whatever fucking tweets everyone did the same joke So it's fine. Yeah. Well, the fly won the debate. No, no. In similar, similar news, Facebook has finally banned QAnon across all of its platforms. Facebook has said that it's going to ban all pages, groups, and Instagram accounts linked to the QAnon conspiracy movement.

This is after they removed 1,500 pages groups and profiles in August. QAnon for anyone who doesn't know is an insane conspiracy theory based on meaningless high coups on an anonymous posting website that believes that all the upper levels of government are pedophiles that create chemicals that keep themselves young or something.

Yeah, I don't know. This is all covered in the game. Some of these people have gotten into the Senate. Yeah, this is all covered. I mean, the thing about QAnon that you should know is that, I mean, it's roughly that, you know, the plot of their conspiracy is that there's a global cabal of world leaders and deep state actors who are all involved in child trafficking and pedophilia and every president, but Donald Trump is involved.

It's essentially, there's a book written by a conspiracy theorist, complete not job name, David Ike, which I've talked about a million times called the biggest secret. And all of the QAnon stuff is in the biggest secret, which is written in like 1992 or something. And it's an amalgamation of a bunch of other bullshit conspiracy theories that are roughly, you know, based on the night's Templar stuff and the Beholda Pale Horse and all of this old school like the Catholic, tied into Catholicism, which is actually an organization that has a problem with real institutionalized pedophilia. But it's nonsense.

It's complete nonsense that has been on the internet now has been like turned into just like this, this, this, this, I don't know what you call it, just this, this, this is a religious, it's a religious moment at this. Yeah, this like call like interpreting, interpreting these strange messages to mean whatever they want it to mean. And they put their faith in Q and they show up to rallies and blindly like support whatever they've the influencers within this Q community say, I mean, it is a bunch of people who feel confused with information. They feel duped, they feel disadvantaged. And so they're clinging to this fantasy that makes them feel powerful.

I mean, it's all conspiracy theory stuff. It makes them feel powerful and partaking in special knowledge and in control of a world that is wildly out of control. But the problem with this is that it's great Facebook is going to remove it. Okay, good move. But you're closing the barn door way too late. This is not, I mean, what are you going to do? This is already spread. These groups

will go to other websites. And in this group, these groups have spread through Facebook. Like they've used this as a huge recruiting tool. And so I guess it's good that you're stopping it. But it's saying, like, you know, someone in our slacks said the analogy of if you were growing a bacterial culture in a tiny test tube. then it infected the whole room and you said what we've got to throw that test to that do about it's nice that you're going to do that but I don't think that this is going to make as big of a dent as you know they're purporting that it will and. I think these groups will just get pushed on to other platforms that are harder to police control or surveil. Yeah, I mean, look, but removing groups that spread insane lies about people and indoctrinate unwitting or uneducated people into their cult of complete, you know, violent, rhetoric and bullshit. It's, I mean, you know, it's overdo, but I'll take it where I can get it. Like, it's not, it's not Facebook's, it's not Facebook's God-given duty to protect any

fucking crazy ass bullshit that people want to say on their fucking service and the more that they go, you know what? You know Like some things we just don't want on this platform like we're not gonna have Nazis on the platform We're not gonna have conspiracy theorists who say Obama is having sex with children or whatever We're just not gonna have that on here because it's nonsense and bullshit and doesn't add to, you know, a positive or meaningful discourse amongst human beings. It is a, it is a trip, is a one way trip down into something very bad, you know, and very dark.

And it is not like enlightened or important or meaningful conversation. It just isn't. And like, I don't think that we have to, again, it's like, I'll use the bookstore metaphor. I'm glad that these companies recognize that they can sell whatever books they choose to sell. And you can put mine comp on the fucking stands or you don't have to.

And, you know, basically like, it's like, anyhow, I'm not gonna give Facebook a lot of credit, but I'm glad to hear it happening. I'd like to see it happen more. I'd like to see, and I think we'll give Facebook a lot of credit, but I'm glad to hear it happening. I'd like to see it happen more. I'd like to see, and I think we'll see in a lot of these, these races where QAnon people have gotten the nomination or whatever, you know, it's like Laura Lumer has a nomination

for a house seat in Florida or something, but if you look at the polling, it's like she's going to be absolutely destroyed, okay? Because the truth is that most Republicans, and I'm not defending them, but I believe that most Republicans are fairly normal people. I disagree with a lot of their beliefs. You know, I disagree with where they stand

on a lot of the important issues, but I don't think the majority of Republicans are like, yeah, there's an international sex trafficking ring tied to like black magic in the deep state. Like, I just don't think most of them are like that. I do think there are some vulnerable people within that party. And frankly, there's vulnerable people who subscribe to any set of political beliefs. There's always like, that can always lead to an almost religious place in some people's minds. But like, there are vulnerable people, I see like, I read this story about Erie

and the outskirts of Erie P.A. in New York Times about all these like the Trump versus Biden people. And you know, there's Trump people talking about, oh, I stocked up on ammo and there's gonna be riots in the streets and all. And it's like fantasy, you know? There's another story from Pennsylvania about people talking about, you know,

some guys of a QN and you know, he's in his 60s or 70s and he gets, you know, other elderly people drive up and are like, hey, like I'm into QN and two, you know, and these are vulnerable people who are being exposed to an overload of information that has no grounding in reality. But like, you know, my parents who are,

I think smart enough to be able to see truth from, fact from fiction are not the kinds of, don't have the media literacy and the internet literacy that I have. So they'll send me stuff sometimes. And I'm like, yeah, this is not a reputable place. But they can't distinguish the way you and I might distinguish about what is reputable

and factual and what is. I'm not saying that they don't, that's saying they're into QNN because they're not. It's not anything like that. But I'm saying that, that for especially for an older generation, especially for a generation, the older generation that is, that is a leaning right wing or right wing, I think it's very easy for them to just not be able to make the distinction. And so services need to help to make the distinction for them. And I think it's very important that these kinds of things get more attention and more light put on them.

And that Facebook and other companies take action, which Twitter has been very proactive about lately, not nearly proactive enough about Nazis and trans harassers, anti-trans people and anti-LGBTQ people and, like, you know, obviously, there's a lot of still a lot of trouble on that platform that needs to be addressed, neo-nauties. But, like, yeah, start doing it, start talking about it, start making moves. I think it's, I think it's important. Yeah, I mean, I think, listen, it's good that Facebook

is doing something about this because something is better than nothing. But I also worry that like what gets lost in here is that actual human trafficking and sex trafficking and, you know, child pornography are real issues that exist that aren't in the realm of fantasy and that are, are real issues that exist that aren't in the realm of fantasy. And that are, you know, they're actual, there are actual victims of these things. And they are, the real information is sitting there. Like, if you really care about human trafficking, human trafficking victims will tell you what they need from you.

And I'm sorry, it doesn't, it's not as fun as playing Cloak and Dagger on the internet with your friends. But, you know, play video game, this is real life. Like, I don't know what to tell you. If you want to do that, it's great. Go buy a copy of World of Warcraft and sync five years into it like everybody else. You know, this is real life.

And, you know, you shouldn't buy a gun because of some like nonsense you saw on a Facebook group. I guess I couldn't agree with that more. In other news, I really, we have to talk about the Adidas robot that made a spider shoe. So Adidas created a robot that 3D prints in sort of this like spider web like pattern. The 3D prints shoes that are completely made from these fibers that they're using to sort of mold, they're like soft bendable fibers that can also be made, they can be made tougher and thicker so they can create the sole and then they can create the sides of the shoe. There aren't going to be for sale just yet, but it is an amazing accomplishment.

And it's sort of fascinating because they're solving for a shoe, I guess, but the applications of this, I mean, this is a 3D printer that could create something with such spectacular detail. You could make a variety of clothes. You could make a variety of things that, in your own home, I mean, you would just need to buy thread and the designs would all be online. It's prohibitively expensive at the moment. We're talking way down the line. But they're creating these shoes, they call the line of shoes strong.

It's fascinating. You have to go to inputmag.com and look at it. It's called the Adidas Future Crap. And I really wanna wear these, but I also just wanna make stuff with this robot. Yeah, I think that one thing that we've been covering a lot that I'm really interested in is the progression of, how we're using new technologies and new materials

and clothing, obviously, we cover sneakers and streetwear and stuff. And like this one is, I think Adidas, obviously for reasons that should not be surprising. Adidas and Nike have been very much at the forefront of thinking of figuring out new ways to take technology and use it to create shoes. The thing that I'm interested in that is exciting beyond just like, okay, you can use this new practice or like, oh, we've never thought of, you know, these are literally like using what a spider would do to create like a webbing that is the actual shoe, which is like super

duper futuristic like, I mean, it's Westworld stuff. It's something, yes, it's like something from a movie or a sci-fi novel and they look that way too. I'm dying to know what they feel like. I'm dying to know how these actually feel on your feet. They look like they would feel fucking incredible. But I think it's really interesting to watch not just these new technologies for the purposes

of trying to sell some more stuff, but a lot of this stuff is tapping into recycling and reusing and renewables and figuring out how to merge that into, I mean, and this is something that no other part of like essentially the quote unquote fashion industry has really ever made any progress on like the fashion world has been largely interested in dealing with like expensive goods for an elite group of people and not giving a fuck about the ways that they create. In fact, there have been stories that you've probably read.

I think we did one on the outline a while ago. There have been stories about how the fashion companies will take, they will take stuff that is installed, they will take their stock, and they'll throw it in the garbage, or they will literally chop it up, or they will burn it. Clothes that could go to, you know, almost people, you know, people who need, you know, winter coats, whatever, but they're just throwing them out, right? Because they don't want people, they don't want people to be seen wearing their expensive clothes who didn't pay for them.

And so it's interesting to see Nike and Adidas and a handful of other companies start to explore what I consider to be, I mean, to me, streetwear now is fashion, you know, that is where the most exciting, interesting, you know, creative parts of fashion are happening. I think like, cultureur and runway fashion is just totally, is out of sync with all of reality at this point. At the only relevant parts of fashion at this point are streetwear and costumes. That's it.

Everything costs like the editorial costumes or streetwear. Yeah, it's like either super duper over the top or like utilitarian in a way that like this is like accessible to a much larger group of people and there's the variety of what you can do is just like it's a totally different world when you think about like how this is you know how we think about fashion or high-end fashion or whatever. But anyhow, but what's interesting is that Nike and Adidas are really trying to I believe

pioneer some things that could have real impact. When we talk about climate change now, it's an existential threat, which it definitely is in our world. I think it's interesting to think about how they could have, these technologies while at first may just be a really great talking point or some weird experimentation,

are starting to turn into real products. Like Nike had the space hippie shoes, which are still very limited run, but they're actually selling and selling out of these shoes that are made from, completely from these recycled or upcycle materials. It's super interesting. It's the stuff they're making is really cool.

The materials they're using have a completely different look and feel than other materials. And so it's not only just like, oh, hey, we're trying this new thing with this new material, but they're also the designs themselves are being heavily informed by the materials that they're using. And I think that's just like a new, that's just a very new place for these companies. And I think it's going to push, I think it's going to push fashion forward in a way. It's going to push material use forward in a way that is going to have some real benefit to the world, which is great and wonderful. And, and I love watching it develop. And I'm so glad that we're spending time covering it that we have put the time and energy into thinking about and talking about the stuff as it relates

to technology and relates to science and relates to the progression of how we all live and the ways that we, the things that we, the objects in our lives and the, and what is considered, or should be considered about them. It's just interesting that shoes are where the only area of the clothing, garment, fashion industries that really do cross over with technology pretty frequently. And like a core part of, of say, a sneaker is the technology that like how it enables you to feel better, how it enables you to perform better, how it feels, how it looks, how it's constructed.

It crosses over with tech in a pretty heavy way and in most of fashion doesn't. I mean, you have like brands like Uniclo that use like tech as a gimmick and like they use it as like a, as a fashion. They use it as a trend that they can ride. But you don't see a ton of this outside of outer wear where you don't really see a ton of tech infused into fashion. And it's really long overdue because fashion and clothing has such an outsized impact on the planet and it has such an outsized impact on economies and on the media. And so it's exciting to see this stuff progress forward and what I love to see stuff from smaller companies break through in the way that they do from these giant, this like do shoot do happily.

Yes, but a shoe opily in my car, but it is still very cool, very fascinating. And I really want to wear them. Well, nobody's stopping. Nothing stopping you except your pocketbook. I'm looking at some actual, there's a space hippies right now and they're always sold out of the size that I want. Which is tough. This is the problem when you wear a size 13 is that it's like, I feel like they make a very limited amount.

Yeah, I wear a 12 or 13 depending on the width. Yeah, it's like a nightmare. Whenever I go to the Nike store or used to, go to the Nike store in Soho, they always have to pull it from the back. I swear to God, it would take a half hour every time for the to find me a shoe. That was very annoying. Oh, wait a second, some shoes I like are on sale.

Are they in my size though? Definitely not. Wait, they are exciting. OK, we're at the part of the podcast where I'm shopping. So I think that means we got to wrap it up. Yeah, let's do nice things. Let's do nice things. I'm ready. My nice thing for this week is a show on HBO called Lovecraft

Country. It's super weird and creative and exciting. And it feels a little bit like like throwback to 90s TV, but it also feels very now and I don't know, I'm just obsessed with it. It's weird. Every week it's something completely different and when the creators of the show pitched it, they said, they were asked what the show is and they said the show, what we want to do is push the boundaries of what it can't be. And I think that that really comes across. It's supernatural. It's also sci-fi. It's fantasy. It's just, it's all of these amazing genres mashed and mixed up and it gets better every single week and it gets more ambitious

every week. And the actors on the show are doing such incredible performances. To me, I just want to be entertained at this point. And the fact that there's a really great social commentary within the show is additive, but it's also so entertaining. And I haven't felt like I was escaping into an adventure other than maybe the game Hades. I haven't really felt like I could escape,

I haven't felt escapism. 18 months, maybe two years, I really haven't felt like I could just completely disappear into something. I always felt like I was keeping myself busy, but my mind was always on like the state of the world or Trump or climate change or whatever other pressing issues we do in work. But also that I have been so preoccupied with that to find something that I can, you know, go a little stoned and just

completely be gone for an hour has been so satisfying. So please watch it. I need people to talk to it about it. So whenever in the next episode, heres, if you could catch up, I'm going to tweet about it the night that it comes out. And I definitely want to engage with people. So follow me on Twitter and please talk to me about it. It's like a mashup of like Buffy meets lost, meets true blood Meets, True Blood, Meets. It's just so good. I just love Meets Indiana Jones. It's just, I love it.

Anyway. With like, kind of a bit of the Watchmen series. Oh totally, there's a ton of Watchmen in it. It's so good. I love it. But I will say, I, okay, so, and just not to talk about your nice thing for too long, but like I watched the first episode and I was like, holy shit,

this show is amazing. And then I watched the second episode and I was like, wait a second. This went from truly amazing, like very weird, creepy slash commentary on race which is like a really interesting concoction that you don't see very often. It was like, this show is really scary and weird and creepy in like a great like David Lynch

style or lovecraftian, obviously because it's about sort of lovecrafties though. But then, but then it's also like really interesting fucking upsetting, smart commentary on race in America. But then the second episode was like full CW. Like it went from like thoughtful artistic, you know, like very tempered in its storytelling to like full on like people with like doing magic and with capes and like it was like Sabrina.

It's different in every episode. So don't, don't worry. Okay, right. So, okay. So I was like, I'm out. I don't okay, right? So, okay. So I was like, I'm out. I don't like this. I'm not into this. Like it ended. I was like, what just happened? It was like a different show. And then I started watching the third episode, which is better. It's like, I don't know what they, I don't know why this second episode was like it, it was,

and maybe I need to watch all of it to really get it. You do, you do. It changes every week in morphs and there are consistencies. The characters are consistent and the themes are consistent. I think that it's inconsistencies but comments consistency in this way that I really like. But yes, keep watching because you might not have loved what was going on in the second episode. I didn't, I didn't really either. But like this most recent week's episode was so weird that it was so different. Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, I've already decided to kind of get back in the mix.

So I'm on it. I'm with you. The other thing is a much more conventional show, but I really am enjoying the boys on Amazon Prime And I know that like, oh, no, no, no, the boys the boys is not conventional. That's the best show on television right now The boys totally, but I mean it's far from conventional No, I mean that in the way that it is agree. No wait, just let me finish I know it is a super hero a superhero prestige show on a streaming service that is serialized.

Like on paper, it's a much more conventional pick for me to be like, this is an amazing show. I love it. I'm obsessed with it. It's very good. I just mean it's less left- less left-fields for me. You wouldn't be shy if I told you that I love the boys.

You know what I mean? My nice thing is the boys on Amazon Press. I'm telling you, if you're not watching the boys, you're missing out. You're missing out on one of the greatest, most interesting takes on superheroes and comic book movies and shows. and comic book movies and shows. You know, it's, it's, it is the antithesis of everything that Marvel has done and they know it and it is on purpose. And it is so smart.

It's a fucking moral finger to Marvel. And it is so smart. It really, really just comments on the whole superhero concept and mystique as it sits in our brains the way that it has been like capitalized and monetized and and and put into this like machine by Marvel and other large studios and and and and and but it's also like unbelievably about like America and how fucking broken it is, and particularly season two, which I think is like, you know, it could be cartoonish, but is handling certain things in such a smart way.

It's super smart, it's so good, it's so entertaining. I completely, it's like such a perfect thing. It's funny that you were talking about Lovecraft Country, and you're like, oh yeah, the boy's too, and it's like actually, my thing is like, I would say it's the inverse for me that the boys has just, like has occupied this huge place in my brain where I'm just desperate to see a new episode.

I think it's, there's so little on television right now or just entertainment in general that is worth your time. And honestly, it's very hard to be distracted by things right now because like, we are so just inundated with what is happening in the country and so overwhelmed by it. It's, it's, it's, it really is like a very special show, I think, and it's not for everybody for sure. It's a very, it's for a very specific kind of audience, I think you've got to have a certain stomach for it and be interested in that and exploring that world.

But I think it's so entertaining and good and interesting. Yeah, okay, that's my nice thing. We got to wrap up. I got to go, I got to, I have so many things to do today, Ryan. I got to, I have to vote several times. You know, I got to make, I gotta make my sorrows, money in the bank. I got to make some YouTube videos about,

about Q, the roots of Q. All right. It's got a lot ahead of me today. So any on, all right, I'll talk to you later. Bye. Bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week, more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best, though I have some bad news.

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