Tomorrow - 218: Faradays and frame rates

Episode Date: December 7, 2020

This week Josh and Ryan are plagued by conspiracy theories, Cyberpunk hype, and facial recognition. There's also a heartwarming segment on Schitt's Creek. Happy Mariah Carey everyone! Learn more about... your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey and welcome to Tomorrow. I'm your host Josh Wattipolsky. Today on the podcast we discuss frame rates, fairer day cages, and Dan to tomorrow. I'm your host Josh Wattipulski. Today on the podcast, we discuss frame rates, fair-a-day cages, and Dan Levy. I don't always one minute. Let's get right into it. Okay, we're back. Hello.
Starting point is 00:00:40 We're better than ever. I am. I'm gonna weak off. Yeah, look at you. Shiny, shiny like a newborn baby fresh out of the womb of us. Was it a staycation? It was a, well, because I moved. So it was a medication. Movecation as a big one that everybody's doing now. All the kids are getting into. I know it's great. Everybody should have a week off and just chill and move to a new apartment. That was a good Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 00:01:07 It's just the first episode we've done since Thanksgiving. Yeah. Wow. Thanksgiving was very chilly, you know, very mellow. It was a quarantine, it was a lockdown Thanksgiving. So just our very, very, very small group, which in contains me and Laura and Zelda and my brother and sister in law, John and Sylvia, who have been in our bubble from the Gecko bubble. I don't like using the term bubble because I think it gives people the idea that they actually have
Starting point is 00:01:35 a group of people they can interact with. And I think for the most part, unless you've been. If everybody's bubble is other people, you know, I mean, like their own bubble, that's just seeing people. Unless you've been unbelievably careful, and we have like, it's been like, they don't go anywhere, we don't go anywhere. The only people we interact with is each other. And so that is like, you know, the constraints of that,
Starting point is 00:02:00 and they're like close by. But unless you have been doing that, everything is just like a gamble. You might as well just roll the dice on your life and on the last father's. I have one friend that I say, that's that I've allowed myself the one. I mean, yeah, I think it's like,
Starting point is 00:02:15 I think we went really rapidly from, I mean, I don't wanna get into a whole coronavirus thing, but we went really rapidly from like people going like, yeah, you can meet your friends in the park for like you'd have like beers in the park to being like, we're going to their house now and they're having like 10 people over, but they're okay.
Starting point is 00:02:31 Because they've also been in the bubble and we're mostly wearing masks most of the time and it's fine, it's like, no, none of this is fine. All of this is bad. You've extended something that was like relatively sort of safe, not really 100%. Oh, okay. Into a completely unsafe,
Starting point is 00:02:45 totally like throwing all of the rules out the fucking window situation. I went home to my parents because my brother had postponed to sleep. See, there you go. Let's eat our COVID. Right here, she's just pregnant. No, no, not me.
Starting point is 00:02:57 I went over the summer and we were outside in masks and we were just gonna drop off a present, say hi, like eat some food in the yard and then go home. And when I got there, nobody was there and I was like, what is going on? And I opened the right parents back door and every person that they've ever met was jammed in their kitchen with no masks on.
Starting point is 00:03:15 And I was like, what's happening? And I was like, we're social distancing. I was like, how? In what way? Are there pocket dimensions between you? No, it's right, it's not. I mean, it's like, and then you see these enclosures that are going up all over.
Starting point is 00:03:28 I was gonna say, yeah. I mean, they're like little houses. It's like, this is, no, if you have, James Hamlin has a tweet that would kind of advise all that he's a writer for the Atlantic. He, you know, it's like, wood structure with a door and windows, plexiglass windows that are like screwed on
Starting point is 00:03:48 to the structure, it's like, that's just indoors now. And it's probably worse because there's no ventilation. Right, there's no air moving. It's just like you're in a fucking box. I mean, seriously, like it's people are so, I'm sorry, people are really, really ignorant. Like they're really, they're so, they know we all were, but they know, they know their behavior, then, you know, I don't know what to say, then they're willfully ignorant.
Starting point is 00:04:14 I mean, I think it's, there was, I actually just saw a story about Matt Gates, who's truly one of the most detestable people on it. He went to, like, snuck into New Jersey with a group of young Republicans and they had a party for 100 people at some restaurant. Nobody was wearing a mask. It's like, oh, you wanna talk about getting pissed up? Dr. Mike from YouTube. Don't know him.
Starting point is 00:04:39 First off, don't know who Dr. Mike is. He's people's sexiest doctor alive. Okay, when I hear Dr. Mike, I think one, not a doctor. Two, YouTube, don't listen to anything he has to say. Exactly, but so he is very sexy, but he also ends up, he's a Ben Shapiro Republican who was caught on a boat with a bunch of models drinking through his nose, I'm sure,
Starting point is 00:05:03 partying for hours and giving them backroubs and like making out and going swimming together and then like this all got posted Like that's what he was up to and he did a video where he was like, okay guys. We followed CDC guidelines Everybody all know all the people all of the people Everybody who's a fuck everybody who fucks it up is like Everybody who fucks it up is like, we were following the guidelines. It's like, no, you weren't. There's a picture of you guys. There's a picture of 100 of you guys
Starting point is 00:05:30 with your masks off and you're hugging. And even if you were following them to like the letter of the law, but being sure to go right up to that edge, you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like anybody, you know, and listen, we don't have to talk about this.
Starting point is 00:05:45 I mean, everybody's dealing with this now in their own lives, but the, the, we're doing, I mean, we're doing 9-11 deaths. I mean, I've said this before, but now it's like, now it is like, I mean, we were like, oh, we're like 1,000, it's 2,000. You know, I don't know the exact number 9-11, it's like 20 something, it's like, you know, 2,000. No, we're like a thousand, it's 2000. You know, I don't know the exact number at 9-11, it's like 20 something.
Starting point is 00:06:05 It's like, you know, 2000. No, we passed that. No, but like today, yesterday, 2,637 people died for no reason, except that they got this disease that they didn't have to get, and now they're dead. And that's happening every fucking day and it's going on and on and on.
Starting point is 00:06:21 And January is gonna be even worse because a bunch of people traveled in November and are now just getting sick, you know? And so December and January are gonna be really ugly, all highly preventable. But what to me, the most amazing thing is, the most unbelievable thing is that there are people who can just say, there are people who can say, well, you
Starting point is 00:06:47 know, 99% recovery, all these Republicans are like 99% recovery rate. And it's not, you know, it's, most people get, you know, it's just a bad cold. And it's like, how can you be so, what is it like? And I don't know, I cannot get in the headset, the mindset of this person. What is it like to care so little about other people that you cannot just go, you know what? All things considered, I'll just mask up everywhere I go. I'll just wear the mask whenever I'm around other people. I'll just wear the mask when I'm going out of my house. I'll just follow that one basic thing.
Starting point is 00:07:23 It's like not that big of a deal. And if I get it, it probably won't be that big of a deal. And if somebody else one basic thing. It's like not that big of a deal. And if I get it, it probably won't be that big of a deal. And if somebody else gets it, probably won't be that big of a deal. But I know that I could prevent a person from actually fucking dying. And these people are so selfish and self-centered
Starting point is 00:07:36 and narcissistic and callous and shitty that they just can't, they will not do something for someone else, you know? And like every fucking person who doesn't wanna wear a mask because of personal fucking freedom should be in jail in my opinion. They should be in fucking jail. Like, you can't, if you know what, I've been ticketed. I've been fucking pulled over by the police
Starting point is 00:07:59 and ticketed for not wearing my seatbelt. Okay, guess what, I wear my seatbelt. I never don't wear my seatbelt. One time, two times, I didn't do it. And I got a fuck, I got pulled over and I got ticketed. And you know what? Every time I get in the car, I think about it. Every time.
Starting point is 00:08:15 It's like, we should be punishing these people. They should be punished. I'd like to see them in jail, but then they'd get coronavirus and die, which I think is a little bit too harsh. But they should be fucking punished. It's just so outrageous to me that people are so, I have such a little care for the people around them,
Starting point is 00:08:31 for the people in their country. It's like, what do you think? You think that no one you know, no one you love is gonna get this and die from it? Like, okay, well, I'm not gonna roll the dice on that shit personally. You know? Like, they say, it's really kids can't really get it. It's like You know, like, you know, they say,
Starting point is 00:08:46 it's really kids can't really get it. It's like, okay, cool, but like, I'll do everything in my power to make sure my kid doesn't get it, right? It's also like what level of narcissism does it require? Or like, I mean, there's, when does Christelf Confidence cross over into like real toxicity to for the people who hear
Starting point is 00:09:03 with the guidelines are from doctors and scientists? read the like 99% of people survive and you know masks, you know, there's good evidence that they do some level of prevention and just thinks like, I feel like my calculated risk. I know better. Yeah. After reading these three facts in a time magazine article, I am now deciding my destiny and it's my right to. And if I, like what level, I wouldn't go, for example, if my car broke, I wouldn't go online, read one article and then just start mucking around with it.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Right. I would talk to a fucking mechanic because guests who went to school to learn how to fix fucking cars. Right. And you are not that much more complicated than a car. I'm sorry to tell you. Well, why don't we go to the fucking mechanics who are telling us what to do and do it? Like I'm just so sick of... But and the thing is, is it's so insidious. All it takes to undermine information is for one person,
Starting point is 00:09:53 is for each person to believe one thing. Like my mom came to me and was like, you know, do you think it's possible that the virus is released to make the election more like high stakes and scary for people. And I was like, no, no, stop. Like conspiracies are mathematically impossible to keep secret. And also like, no, nobody released a bio weapon across the globe that killed a million people.
Starting point is 00:10:20 There's a reason why. To change an election. It's a lot easier, there are easier ways to change an election. Well, there's a reason why, it's there's a reason to change an election. It's a lot easier. There are easier ways to change an election Well, there's a reason why there's a reason it's like like bio weapons are like nuclear war and everybody with a brain knows it which is like You know once you start that
Starting point is 00:10:36 Inevitably it's you're going to be screwed like the thing about nuclear war why it doesn't really happen is that everybody's like well If they shoot a nuclear bomb our way, you know, send a nuclear bomb our way, then, you know, or if we send one their way, then they're going to send one our way and then like, that's kind of it. And so everybody kind of is like, well, let's not do that. Bio weapons. I mean, the Chinese are not like, hey, let's have the US. The US has done too.
Starting point is 00:10:58 But, well, but, but no, but like, you know, the Chinese, yeah, the Chinese weren't like, hey, you know, we can do it. Really, you know, we Chinese weren't like, hey, you know what we can do to really, you know, we're gonna get everybody here. We'll start a uncontrollable bio weapon and we're within our own country. We're within our own country. Yeah, why not take it somewhere and start it in like, go, go, why not take it to,
Starting point is 00:11:15 why not just have somebody come over here immediately? The idea that you'd start the thing in Wuhan to get to America is like, well, they could have just gotten on a plane with a bunch of sick people. And that would have been now. And that would have been now. And that would have been now.
Starting point is 00:11:33 And that would have been now. And that would have been now. And that would have been now. And that would have been now. And that would have been now. And that would have been now. And that would have been now. And that would have been now.
Starting point is 00:11:41 And that would have been now. And that would have been now. And that would have been now. And that would have been now. And that would have been now. And that would have been now don't really want to get it. And I was like, oh my, like, you are a school teacher. Like, I don't know where to begin. Like, yes, it's safe. And she's like, well, how did they do it so fast? Okay, well, we've been studying vaccines for a very long time
Starting point is 00:11:55 and we know how to make them. And they got, like, as quickly as possible, they got expedited, budgetary approval and trial approval and every resource that they could need. Like, this is a perfectly safe thing. It has been, all the tests and the studies have been done on it. They just did it fast. Like, you know, like, how do you explain,
Starting point is 00:12:14 like to someone that doesn't even know what's in a vaccine? Like, how do you begin to explain? I mean, it's the Latisha right thing, right? Like, did you see her on Twitter? Uh, mate, no, I don't know, probably not. The actress who plays sherry in the last camera. Oh yes, yes, yes, she's like, I'm just asking questions about vaccines. It's like, okay, why don't you not? Why don't you not ask questions? You're a fucking actor. You're a fucking actor.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Yeah, like we don't need your opinion. We can't ask need. You don't know shit. It's like, you don't go to fucking school, become a scientist, then I'll listen to whatever the fuck you have to say about science, okay? But if your job is like an actor Like like you know, I have but I have an opinion I can have an opinion but like This is science. It's not really an opinion based art. You know, it's not like you know like well You know maybe evolution. I mean evolution is actually bad one because it's like I mean that's so far back But like we know that evolution is a real thing, but like this is science like these things are tested Right. Yeah, Pfizer is gravity. I'm sorry. I'm like old gravity
Starting point is 00:13:14 Pfizer isn't like betting its business on a money grab for the coronavirus vaccine, you know They're not like hey, let's just like, let's, I don't know, these people, I've already, they're already, they already get paid. We have to wrap the vaccine works. They get paid. These people made Viagra, they don't need your vaccine money. They pre-ordered the vaccine. They have boner, they have boner money. They couldn't do a Cyberpunk 2777 and kick the can down the road. We already pre-ordered. Okay, we're going to get to that. We'll get to Cyberpunk in a second. But hold on. Anyhow, yeah, no, I saw this.
Starting point is 00:13:46 I mean, it's always, it's always the same shit. I'm sorry. Like, whenever I, no offense to actors, there are some very intelligent, wonderful, creative ones that I want that I'd love to hear from. But like, most of the time, most of the time that actors talk about anything, by the way, including their own work, I'm like, yeah, I don't need your insight on this. I feel like you're not giving me, like, you know, when you hear an actor talk about a role that they played and you're kind of like, yeah, I don't feel like you're giving me additional
Starting point is 00:14:14 like information or knowledge. I don't think you understood why that performance worked. Yeah, it's like, I just feel, I mean, honestly, if you're like, well, okay, you can, you can interview the director, the writer, or the actor who plays the lead role. It's like, I'm definitely gonna be more interested in hearing what the writer says, or the director says. These, the actors are like, you know, they're like, hey, you gave me up. Some, I'm not saying actors aren't wonderful
Starting point is 00:14:37 and intelligent, but I'm just saying, they, they, more often than not, it's like, we could probably ignore what they have to say. You know? You can get away with a dumb actor a lot better than you can a dumb director. Yes, that's what I'm saying. I think in the arts, I think of, you know, there was, I hate to bring up Ricky Gervais because he's so canceled. But by the way, I have an acting degree. So if anyone wants to get
Starting point is 00:14:57 a set of that, you can get it yourself. First of you can get an acting degree. That's a lie. And you know, the Ricky Gervais had a show which I think is one of his last watch shows, but I actually think one of his better ones called Extras. I actually think Extras is like a superior show to the office and a lot of other stuff he's done. But this is when before he went completely, Gugou Benantograph.
Starting point is 00:15:17 And that show actually has like a more interesting message. I mean, it's like, it's basically making fun of like people who are self-obsessed and basically making fun of recognition. The narcissism requires to star in anything. Like, the beef is about the narcissism it requires to think that you should be the president. You have to be completely insane. But there's an episode where I believe, so every episode there's like an actor, famous actor is on it. It's about a guy who's like,
Starting point is 00:15:47 he'll wants to be an actor. He like kind of becomes like a famous TV actor accidentally. And every episode, I'm pretty sure every episode has like a cameo by like a pretty famous actor. And I'm, unless I'm misremembering this, there's an episode with Ian McClellan. And he's like, so he's like, how do you act so well? He's like, I think of somebody else and then I pretend to be them. It's like, yeah, that
Starting point is 00:16:17 sounds right to me. That is like that. It's like, you think of somebody else and then you pretend to be them. That's like, I kind of don't want to hear your opinions on fucking vaccines, you know? Like, yeah, unless you are, you are a fucking vaccine doctor. I'm just not, just keep it to yourself, okay? Because you're not doing anybody. Good. I love it. I love it. It's always like, I'm just asking questions. You know, I'm just raising, I just want to put it, you know, I'm just asking, I'm just asking, I'm just asking, I'm just asking, I'm but you know, you know, people to know maybe maybe I mean also It's like the thing I should stab this guy. I'm asking question asking me. I wouldn't be so bad I don't know everybody see acts like it would be no, but you know, there's the thing here's the thing It was also like my understanding is I didn't see the video that she shared but it was like
Starting point is 00:17:03 The video was like anti-vax, like transphobic, anti-immigration. It said like aliens were real. All these things, it's like, it's like, I don't know, just pick one bullshit thing, same thing to say. Just can you just do one? It's always these things, and we've talked about this before, but you know how these things always come in like groups? You can't be like, this is how saying like Republicans, and like you can't be,
Starting point is 00:17:26 you can't be like pro-life, but like anti-military. If you're a Republican, you're like pro-life, and you love the military, or like you're like into religion, you think you can't be like, I'm an atheist,
Starting point is 00:17:37 but I'm pro-life. You have to be pro-life and religious. Sorry, in the background while we're talking, I have an article up that I cannot wait to read. Can I tell you? Because it's kind of on topic for what we're discussing right now. The New York Times, you may have heard of it, it's a small publication. Oh, are they failing? They have the failing New York Times has a lengthy feature story. I'm going to read you the headline, okay? The rise and fall of Carl
Starting point is 00:18:07 Lentz, the celebrity pastor of Hillsong Church. This is Justin Bieber's, this is this celebrity hype beast, unbelievable douchebag, pastor of this church that is a complete piece of shit. This needs to be And age by call series tomorrow. Oh my God. All I can say, can I just read, can I just read, can I just read one paragraph? Because I skimmed it and I was like, okay, where is the get me to the juice?
Starting point is 00:18:37 In a private video conference with staff members and volunteers at the church's East Coast branch on November 19th, a recording of which was obtained by the New York Times. Mr. Houston described the Church's discovery of, quote, more than one affair. They were significant. But sexual infidelity was only one piece of the story. Mr. Houston, I guess this is a guy from the Church, Mr. Houston, also connected Mr. Lens
Starting point is 00:18:56 is dismissal to general narcissistic behavior, manipulating mistreating people, as well as quote, breaches of trust connected to lying and constantly lying. Let me just say that's like not even a quarter of the way through the article. So, dig in. I'm so ready for all of these phonies, these fucking liars and these phonies, these people who fucking draped themselves in the flag or in the churches, fucking robes,
Starting point is 00:19:23 and are complete pieces of shit to get their, the come-up and so they so richly deserve. Like, you know, I didn't need, I didn't need this article to know the car lens was a pile of dog shit. I could just tell that by looking at him, but, and listening to his bullshit and knowing that people like Justin Bieber think he's cool. But I definitely will enjoy reading this and hearing about all the ways in particular that he was a pile of garbage. So really, really looking forward to that.
Starting point is 00:19:51 I'm guessing there's got to be some like also maybe he's like gay. I feel like it's always one of these things where it's like because you know the church is basically homophobic and anti-gay. I feel like you know these people are always like- Second Dicks for Jesus, bro. They the exact opposite of whatever they preach is they- they're doing the exact opposite. It's like Trump, you know? Trump, like everything he said about the other people
Starting point is 00:20:11 was a projection of what he was actually doing, always. You know? It's like, it's like, they're gonna try to steal the election and claim victory, even if it's decided in a different direction. It's like, okay, you're just describing what you're doing. You're just describing- It's always important to listen to. You know, you're gonna tell you exactly what it's next move is. It might accusing you of it. Well, that's the thing. It's like, people are like, he's playing 40 chess. It's like, he's barely playing chess. He's not playing. He's just like,
Starting point is 00:20:40 you're some pieces. And he's playing the ball at the scene. Which one of these lands in the end, though? Well, that's not even a rule. Anyway, guys, a huge fucking loser's some pieces and he's Spurring the ball at the scene with one of these lands in the end though. Well, that's not even a rule Anyway, I guess he guys a huge fucking loser can't wait till he's in jail moving on. Let's talk about let's talk about other things Should I I'm Excited about it. I think every week now. I'm just at this point. I'm exhausted by the time I put this game and I just just like I've been on a whole journey with it. And I don't even, if this game is bad, if this game is bad,
Starting point is 00:21:09 hype is officially over. I never want to promote for anything, I don't want. Because there's been so much promotion for this fucking game over the course of almost 10 years. It has been jammed down our throats. And apparently, like, the thing that pisses me off the most is that they made all these promises about like not doing crunch. And now all of a sudden they're rushing to get it out. And it's like, you don't really need to,
Starting point is 00:21:35 you definitely don't need to rush. Like, it's gonna sell. If you were to push it another six months, it's not like Christmas is the make or break thing for this game. I, I, um, I just want to say that I've started, so I've gone through so many, I've gone through so many phases of my interest and excitement about Cyberpunk, you know, like, like obviously on, on day one in 2013, I was like, oh my God, this is going to be so awesome. By the way, imagine the world that Cyberpunk
Starting point is 00:22:05 2077, the CD project red game was born into. Obama was president. He had just basically begun his second term, okay? Obama was president. I think what was the most recent iPhone that was out? I want to say it's like the iPhone 5 maybe? iPhone 4, what year do the iPhone 4 come out? I don't know. we were still doing the fake lighter apps and joking about people, writing about their launch on Instagram, I don't care what you're having for a launch. I mean really, like, oh, sorry, the iPhone 4 is released in 2010.
Starting point is 00:22:38 So it was way, the iPhone 5, so that would have been a 12, 2012. So iPhone 6, is that what we're thinking here? Hold on, I'm gonna just get to the, gotta get to the bottom of this. iPhone 6 or 7? The 6 is 2014, let's call it for the sake of the argument. Let's call it the iPhone 6.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Let's be honest. I was, I was still at the verge. I was at their chief of the verge, okay? What was I doing in 2013? 2013, you and I had not met each other. You were like 12, you were like 15 years old or something. I was 23 or 24. You were like a little baby, you were like a little tadpole.
Starting point is 00:23:17 I think I was, I was like working at GLAAD, I probably had quit GLAAD at that point. Yeah, you could laugh. I might have been working on Billy on the street. That was a long time ago. That's what I'm talking about, man. That's just what I'm talking about. So the world that Cyberpunk 2077 was released into,
Starting point is 00:23:32 Obama's president, iPhone 6 is just about to be released. I'm at the verge. You're working on Billy Eikner's Billy on the street show. You're right, were you writing for it? And I was in the art department. Okay, you were doing props for Billy. Anyhow, the, And I was in the art department. Okay. You were doing props for Billy. Anyhow, the, I don't know what art department it does, so I'm going to assume it's something
Starting point is 00:23:51 related to props. Um, yes. What we were doing was taking jokes like they would say like, you know, a diorama of Gabri, Cidabay getting her nails done and then we would have to make it. That's cool. That's cool. Anyhow, so a long time ago, it was a long time ago. I mean, it was like so long ago, it's insane. I mean, I didn't have a child. I have a full
Starting point is 00:24:14 grown, not full grown, but I have a child who plays Minecraft now. So at that point, I had no children, okay? And in fact, yeah, I mean, it would be a year after the first IRAHUG trailer that I had that Laura gave birth to our child. So, Zelda. So, okay, any more? We're all very excited about Lena Dunham's career at the time. Yes, so I've gone through a lot of life stuff. I've gone through a lot of career stuff.
Starting point is 00:24:43 I've gone through a lot of career stuff. I've gone through a lot of different modes of feeling excited or disappointed about Cyberpunk, but I will say the last I'd say, let's call it like two years, which is also insane. They've been teasing the game for two years, easy, right? Like real gameplay. The first... I would say beyond teasing. They've been doing promo for two years. Yeah, I mean, I'm almost the first, I want to see the cyberpunk 20s. I'm just going to do a quick search or 20s on first gameplay trailer was what year was that? Uh, 2018. She's 2018 was the gameplay reveal. Okay. And actually I'm going to like crack this fucker open right now, just let it roll in the background while we're talking. 48-minute walkthrough, remember this shit?
Starting point is 00:25:29 People are like, people are like, oh my god, it's a gimme first person. And anyhow, so for two years, we've seen the game, we've seen like gameplay of the game, right? I love this guy, it's like the guy who's the narrator is like, in the world of Cyberpunk 2077, you'll be able to customize your genitals anyhow. I think it's true. Yes. Anyhow, in the world, in the high octane world of Cyberpunk 2077,
Starting point is 00:25:59 no one is your friend, but no one is your enemy either. In fact, everybody's kind of neutral. It's like that. So anyhow, so yeah, I'm looking at this trailer now and I'm like, yeah, these graphics don't look that great. I remember seeing, I'm like, whoa, graphics look pretty good, but that was two years ago. There's no way that I can retracing in this. I know.
Starting point is 00:26:21 I don't even think that they're not're not coming with like Xbox series X enhanced or No, they're not five version so like well. I've been I told Laura the other day that I okay So any house and moving I'm gonna talk about my Sarah punk, you know So so I got a few a weeks ago maybe a month ago. I looked at some cyberpunk videos and I was like wait a second This doesn't look good like I was like literally like the game didn't look good to me. Like it looked kind of bad. And and between the delays and that scene that the some of the footage, I was kind of like, you know what, I'm like, this might be bad. And so and but then I saw some PlayStation stuff and I was
Starting point is 00:26:56 like, well, that looks a little bit better. I'm still like juries out on like whether this game is actually going to like actually just on the basic graphic level look good, because like they've definitely hyped up like the expansiveness and the detail of the world of Night City. So I'm like expecting a lot, you know? Like I'm expecting a lot. They've been hyping it up a lot. And also seven years of long time, okay? It's a long time to wait. It's a long fucking time to wait. So, so then I got kind of, then I was, but then I flew back in the other direction. I was like, wait, maybe this is going to be good. Maybe this actually looks kind of awesome. Um, not awesome, maybe more acceptable. But I was like,
Starting point is 00:27:36 I was telling Laura, I was like, you know what, I, I think I need to buy a new, like a really expensive graphics card to enjoy this game fully. She's like, well, how much is it? I'm like, I don't know, like, over $1,000. And it's like, am I gonna buy a $1,000 graphics card to play against it? I don't even know if it's good, yes. Yeah, I have a 2070 Super, which is should be able to do
Starting point is 00:28:00 like decent 1080, maybe even a little bit, if I really tweak out the graphics like some 1440 like decently. But I'm like, God damn, I've waited seven years. Shouldn't I have the complete immersive experience of having every fucking detail in this game like hit me? So anyhow, but the point is now I'm now. So now I'm in this.
Starting point is 00:28:22 Now here's where I'm at emotionally and mentally. I actually started to feel bad for CD Projekt Red because I feel like there's no way, like I kinda feel like there's no way this game's gonna be well received. Like, we were watching Mank last night, did you watch Mank? I did not watch Mank yet.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Mank is the new David Finchery movie that's premiered on Netflix. And it's a old Hollywood. It's like about old Hollywood. It's about the guy who wrote citizen cane. And it's about the writing of citizen cane, basically. And I was like, yeah, like David Fincher and it's Netflix and it's Gary Oldman. It's like, you know, especially this big Hollywood thing.
Starting point is 00:29:02 And you know, I was watching him like, I don't think this is good. Like, it's like, you know, especially this big Hollywood thing. And, you know, I was watching them like, I don't think this is good. Like, it's not bad, but I was like, I don't think this guy didn't finish it, so maybe it's really, truly amazing. But it's a lot of nudity in this first 48 minutes. I have to say, like a large portion of this 48 minutes of gameplay has some nude breasts in it, like for a while.
Starting point is 00:29:22 Just like, it's going to the background. I just noticed it. Anyhow, not there's anything wrong with that. The human body is beautiful and it should always be, you know, exposed. It's always have titties on your head. It's always have the tits out. Anyhow, the tits, not a word that I use almost ever. I love his thing, tits.
Starting point is 00:29:41 I don't like it. I don't care for it. Tits, just doesn't, just, it hits right. It hits right for me. See, it doesn't hit right at all for me. Anyhow, the, so now I'm like, well,
Starting point is 00:29:56 I feel kind of bad for these guys because this game's gonna be savaged. It's gonna be like, people are going to be like, this is the biggest disappointment of my lifetime. I mean, I think, maybe, I gotta say say I'm watching this gameplay trailer and I'm like, damn, this looks so good though. Like I really want to play it. I just think hope that it is good more than anything, but I also know that they have
Starting point is 00:30:16 set themselves up for such a spectacular failure if it isn't. Well, it's part of partially, it's not their fault. Like partially, they can't be blamed for people's like, you know, anticipation and hype getting to levels that are. They can be blamed for doing custom fucking Xbox releases and doing a phone. Yeah, I mean, they did putting out like a commemorative book.
Starting point is 00:30:38 I mean, they released a custom Xbox like OneX or something, which is insane. It's not very weird because it's not even like the console was buying. You think they would have partnered with Microsoft unlike, let's do a custom series X. When you guys launch, we'll sell an additional custom thing that people will buy. It'll be an extra way to hype up your new console. And the development of that is literally just like case design. Like that's all they had to do.
Starting point is 00:31:09 I'll tell you what, I'm not seeing. Now this, they cut you a scene three days later after the nude girl in the bathtub. And they're not, I haven't seen any, any, any dick yet in this game. So as far as I'm concerned, I saw a lady with a nice dick on one of their posters, then there was a they were walking right up to that transphobic line right up there and just giving it like it's on this new. Where was they had a transphobic poster? I guess I don't remember this. See, there's been so much of this poster where it's like this super hot chick, but she also has like an enormous cock that you can see through her clothes.
Starting point is 00:31:45 And then it says like, you love to mix it up. Whatever. That's just like, okay. Well, in the future, in the future, you know, gender is the crazy downstairs mix ups. In the future, are you like, oops, oopsie, I'm all very. Well, in the future, you know, gender is, you know, well, gender is a construct now, but like we're still all working through the idea.
Starting point is 00:32:11 In the future, gender is you're just gonna be able to hot swap it to hitchhuffle, maybe. Yeah, well, it's shuffle on your parts. And then gender, I mean, the whole, listen, it's very confusing and, and, I mean, the whole, listen, it's very confusing and, and, and, and, you know, puns, many layers, anyway, many, many layers, too. Yeah. I mean, there can be a big turf. I think there's a huge turf side mission in, inside of punk where you have to,
Starting point is 00:32:37 you got to take out a, you know, there's some guys, there's some, uh, some men in a dressing room that you have to take out. There's some, some, some quote, unquote, man in a woman's dress, you're making some women feel uncomfortable. You have to wear them away. Try to do rapes, you know, like that's like that. It's something's going to make that game right eventually. Like JK Rowling's side repunked. Yeah, I was going to say the Harry Potter game comes out next year. So that's right. Oh, right.
Starting point is 00:33:04 The hair, ah, poor Harry Potter. One of the, one of, when a history is, magical TERFs. At any rate. So the point, what the fuck was I saying? The point is, do you want to play this game? I want to play it. I'm starting to feel bad for the creators
Starting point is 00:33:18 and also for myself. And, you know, I just think like, how can it be good? Listen, they beat Avatar 2 to market. So at that like, how can it be good? Listen, they beat Avatar 2 to market. So at that point, it's a huge issue. I'm just saying anything just hyped up. I'm just like, I don't know how. I mean, it's just gonna be a disappointment,
Starting point is 00:33:34 no matter what. So just prepare yourself to be disappointed and then you'll be pleasantly surprised. This trailer does look good though. I mean, if it looks, like I guess I'd be satisfied if it looked as good as this trailer from 2018. I feel like it won't.
Starting point is 00:33:45 It won't. But like, because you know what I mean, it never does. It's like the... It's like the digital foundry when they use like four fucking graphics cards that aren't even on the market yet. And they're like, it was pixels. I was watching the boundary. I love digital foundry.
Starting point is 00:33:57 I love digital foundry. I was watching, actually, it's funny. I was watching a digital foundry video last night on my phone. That's fine, I can say. And Laura was like, what are you watching? Because it literally sounds like this. This is what it sounds like. It's like in 720p at 54 FPS, you still get that upscaling.
Starting point is 00:34:18 And then it's just another set of numbers. If you listen to it, if you just abstract yourself from, because I know what they're talking about for the most part. Yeah. But if you abstract yourself from knowing it for just a second, it sounds like absolute nonsense. It sounds like the moon. It just sounds like the moon. It's just like absolute.
Starting point is 00:34:35 No, I ordered a new OLED TV and I've been watching a bunch of videos to try to like find the one that I wanted. And I've been just obsessed with this channel where this guy just goes into, he's like, yeah, there's a four pixel long over scan that I can't get to line up. So this one's garbage. And you're like, oh my God. At 14, at 1440 and 90 hertz, look at the, look at that. It's like that. I'm like, what? Look at the anti-aliasing in the cloud. See the diffuse lighting in this and the refractions of the, I'm like, all right, I guess. I mean, it looks good.
Starting point is 00:35:14 I've, but he's broken. I'm broken now. Like I'm like, I, you know, I put watch dogs leech on my computer and I'm like, I've spent four hours just trying to get the graphic settings to like I'm like to the To these shadows look more realistic or less. I don't want to crush this shadow effects in the background Yeah, it's like how how like what should the distance shadow distance be you know how Like I watched additional fat. I'll live I'll sum it up like this the last I should have found your video I watched was about NBA 2k 21 and the guy doing it He seemed very smart and I definitely know him from YouTube and he's I've watched a bunch of a step
Starting point is 00:35:54 But he basically explained like the graphical effects and how they're pulling them off and then when he was playing he goes Excuse you. I'm not very good at this game. I don't know the rules of basketball No it goes, excuse you, I'm not very good at this game. I don't know the rules of basketball. Yeah. No, and I was like, you've been playing this game for five hours. The game is. You don't even know the rules of basketball. No, the game, you know, it's funny, but you know, it's funny. I mean, there's been a lot of talk about, I'm sorry, I'm looking to the scene.
Starting point is 00:36:19 I'm looking at a scene in from the fucking cyberpunk where the characters walking through like a busy street area, and there are so many people, and I have to tell you, every fucking scene I've seen of this game, since this trailer, there are no people on the street, there's nobody anywhere, there's like four people, it looks totally barren,
Starting point is 00:36:41 and like, am I gonna need the 3090 to get all the people on the street? That's what I wanna know. I'm actually less concerned about the fucking ray tracing than I am about whether or not it's gonna feel like there's actually like a city to explore with people. I hope that there's a lot of surprises that we have not seen yet.
Starting point is 00:36:58 I mean, I've showed you a screenshot. I mean, if I showed you a screenshot of this street scene, I mean, you'd be like, wow, this like looks like a real city full of people. But that's what I said about Spider-Man, and then, you know, Spider-Man's fun, but it's not a real city full of people. Miles Morales is pretty. It's good. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people in there. Yeah, but you can kind of tell they're all, they're one of 12 models and they're on a loop and they do weird things that don't people don't do I'm looking at one. I'm pulling up the PlayStation 5 gameplay trailer right now
Starting point is 00:37:32 Actually, I mean, did they show in PC? Have they done like a separate PC one? I don't think so. They've done Trying to see if this looks yeah, this isn't looking nearly as good as the, as the gameplay trailer, I was just watching. It's the PS4 Pro, which is what everybody's gonna be experiencing on the, basically on the PS5, right? Or is it, is there, is there an upgrade?
Starting point is 00:37:54 I don't know if they're gonna have a patch to like, enable some of the PS4. I mean, I'm dying. There's like no people. I mean, this is such, this is such bullshit. They're trailers, so not, I don't wanna be one of these guys, you know, who's complaining about the puddle,
Starting point is 00:38:09 shot reflections or whatever? What was the controversy? Was it Spider-Man? There was a guy. There was reflective puddles, and then in the game, the puddles weren't as reflective, and they were like, this is why game journalism beats,
Starting point is 00:38:21 we need to kill women. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? I agree, I agree, I'm sorry. I agree, I happen to kill with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. I agree. I'm sorry. I agree. I happen to agree with that sentiment.
Starting point is 00:38:29 This is, I'm sorry. This game looks like, I gotta say, by comparison to that, this game looks bad. I'm going back. I'm sorry. I'm going back now that I've watched the game play trailer from the 48-minute walk through whatever. This is like, it may come to pass
Starting point is 00:38:47 that the Cyberpunk we loved the most was the one before it came out. Like, we love for sure. No, for sure, I'm looking at these games and they're not even, they don't even look like the same game to me. This is, what is this game? This looks like a pre-rendered like CGI scene,
Starting point is 00:39:04 the one that they show in the 48-minute walkthrough. It looks like they spent 40 days rendering out these scenes. I'm so overhyped. I don't want any of these. Hype is dead. I'm looking at this game and this is the one, the PlayStation demo they show looks like Mirror's Edge. It does not look that good. It really doesn't. I'm sorry, I'm going through this in real time.
Starting point is 00:39:30 I will say it is for the most part in general, all the next gen games so far. Look nice, they don't look amazing. I'm not like, I remember when I plugged in a PS2 and I was like, this is basically a Pixar movie. Like I was, my mind was blown. I get, I get that we're just going down to iterative updates and like a lot of the, and they did a lot of work on these new consoles to make the loading really fast, which changes things. And the dual sense controller is really
Starting point is 00:39:57 great. But looking at it side by side, Miles Morales and their original PS4 Spider-Man. The jump isn't like amazing. Like I wouldn't, if I played one walked out of the room for a little while and then walked back in and played the other one, I probably would not have known the difference. I mean, here's a, oh, this is the same gameplay trailer. I want to see has anybody done? Is there a more recent gameplay trailer for Cyberpunk 2020? Is this 2020, 24 minutes in your gameplay? I'm trying to see like, if there's, I can see any progression from what they were doing in 2018 to now. It looks way worse. I'm
Starting point is 00:40:43 sorry, but like we, I think we all have to come to grips with the fact that that demo they showed is not thing like what it's gonna be. Is absolutely not like what the game is gonna be and look like and act like. I mean, what I'm just watching some more of this. It's like so, I just can't get over. It looks so good. And if like, there's no way they're going to get anywhere near this. Like, there's no way they're going to get anywhere near this level of, well, I bought the PC version pre-ordered. So I'm hoping
Starting point is 00:41:19 that that's why I'm thinking about getting the graphics card. I'm like, if there is a mode of this game where it can look like the demo they showed and all you need is a thousand hour graphics card to play it, like that's, I'm like, is it worth it? No, it might be worth it. What? It is. It might be worth it.
Starting point is 00:41:35 I don't know. The other thing is like, they're like, you know, sorry, this is just separately, but they're like, we recommend a 750 watt power supply for if you get a 3090 card and I'm like, one mind's like 500 watt. Like, would that be okay? Like, I don't want to.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Well speaking of next gen stuff, 5G is the next gen of internet. See how I did that transition? Wow. Incredible. Are you happy? Please. Please talk about all the people on Amazon buying Faraday cages to put around their water.
Starting point is 00:42:04 Yeah. I mean, we live in an age of, I mean, not all the people on Amazon buying Faraday cages to put her right on their water routers. I mean, we live in an age of, I mean, you know, we thought that once in for me, you know, they say information wants to be free and then you get it out there and it turns out that what really wants to be free is misinformation, like bad information. Like, nobody stipulated what William Gibson
Starting point is 00:42:25 who ever said it didn't stipulate was, what type of information wanted to be free? You know, it's like information covers a lot of stuff. Yeah, I know it's crazy. We live in a crazy world. I saw a tweet, somebody was like, I'm dying, like people are buying these Faraday cages, which is a Faraday cage is basically a thing
Starting point is 00:42:44 that keeps out like radio signals. Yeah, it's a high-energy electrical cage that blocks, it's like layers of lead. It will block out wireless signals. Like you're like you're like you're like you're always used for experiments or use for certain types of environments where you're doing, you know, whatever. Like if you have very sensitive wireless work that needs to be done, you can do it within a Faraday cage and other wireless signals won't be not be interrupting you. But people are buying these like micro Faraday cages that go around a router. And they're like, because, oh, because I think the idea is that 5G and Y are causing migraines
Starting point is 00:43:23 and cancer. And it's not, but that's what's going on. Right, and so they're buying these things and then they're putting them around their router to protect from, I guess they think it's gonna sieve out 5G, which is nothing to do with their life. They think it would like, I mean, the Faraday cages to be fair on Amazon
Starting point is 00:43:41 are claiming like, you can still use the internet wirelessly, but like, no, it's a Faraday cage. Like it would be like putting Craig said, I mean, he flipped around my bad analogy and said, it would be like putting a shade over your lamp and then being like, I can't, why isn't it bright? Right, yeah, it's very confusing. But what's crazy to me is that like people want Wi-Fi and they want technology, but they also think that it's a secret plan.
Starting point is 00:44:17 Like they have conspiracy theories that like Bill Gates put cancer in the Wi-Fi. And it's crazy because it's the people who are on YouTube putting out anti-science, anti-vaccine videos through their cell phone, not realizing that you're using all the tools of the people that you're saying caused this. Like, what doesn't make any sense? There's, I mean, none of this ever makes sense.
Starting point is 00:44:43 I mean, the thing I always feel most like strongly and sort of bad about is this idea that you believe that there is a, that the people are so organized and orderly and have so many plans that like they're doing this thing, that this massive global conspiracy designed to keep you down or hurt you or whatever you or whatever it is. And it's like the actual scare. And this I think partially is what drives conspiracy is that the scary thing about life and the scary thing about 99.9% of the situations that you are experiencing or that you're seeing is that nobody has a plan and that nobody has like a grand scheme for how this is going to turn
Starting point is 00:45:25 out and nobody really knows what's going to happen. And like they aren't like, there's not some thing like the Bill Gates like microchipping you in vaccines or whatever is like, do you have any idea of the number of people that it would take who understand the plan to do this? Do you know how many people have to be involved when they want to know where you are or what you're doing or what you're eating. They just ask you and you put it into an app. Like, do you give all of this out anyway to be clear? Why would they buy the microchips? They would be very expensive.
Starting point is 00:45:57 The actual conspiracies are more like policy and they're more like things like prism which were happening basically legally and only really were uncovered because one guy decided to whistle blow and by the way, like there weren't that many people who knew about it in the first place, you know? There weren't that many people that had access to the first place. And he thought to find out that the government
Starting point is 00:46:24 could tap into your phone calls or your internet trap. Like nobody was with somewhere. You know, there were many people that access to the first place to find out that the government could Tap into your phone calls or your internet trap like nobody was right with somewhere gobsmack being like how did they pull it off like we all knew It would just came out in the open and was officially like I'm not saying there's never a conspiracy But the way they play out is often very different than what we're you know, I saw this thing the other day was like suitcase gate It was like there's video of a person moving a suitcase somewhere in Georgia like, this is it. People are like, there were all these bots that were like, I mean, they're obviously bots because they all had the same tweet.
Starting point is 00:46:54 It was like, you know, you know, congratulations on your one month of being present, elect Joe Biden, but it's over for you. Now that suitcase gate is real or whatever. And it's like, yeah, like it's the for you. Now, the suitcase gate is real or whatever. And it's like, yeah, it's the crack. It's, yeah, it released the crack. And it is not, you know, this type of thing, the type of conspiracy that these people are talking about, whether it's election fraud or Bill Gates,
Starting point is 00:47:16 microchipping you in a vaccine or 5G, being some 5G being something like that isn't just, hey, we can make faster internet. Like the level of complexity and the number of people involved would make it so impossible for it to be kept a secret. And it wouldn't take you having to go, like I found this set of numbers on 4chan, and then on 8chan, I found a symbol,
Starting point is 00:47:42 and then I broke the symbol apart into the same amount of numbers. And now that when I put them together, 5G causes cancer or whatever. And it's like, it doesn't work like that. There is no, if this is not the fucking DaVinci code. I was gonna say, there's no, like, on the back of the Mona Lisa,
Starting point is 00:47:57 there's no instructions for the Artharrity case to protect you from 5G. We're not living in the DaVinci code. The DaVinci code's fun and good and sold a lot of copies because it's such a ridiculous idea. It's a fairy tale. It's fantasy. It's fucking fantasy.
Starting point is 00:48:12 You know, like there are no Avengers. There is no there is no Thanos. We, you know, but also I think people feel really, people feel really disconnected from other people and from, you know, people feel, you know, the most dangerous thing. People are also completely uneducated. Nobody knows how I actually work. Well, education works. Yes, no, I mean, to me, to me at the core, and we talked about this right after the election, but the core problem that we have in this country and in this world is education.
Starting point is 00:48:45 And like we should be spending trillions, we should be spending billions every year on creating the most airtight, most brilliant, most effective education system in the world. If America wants to continue whatever dominance it had. Education should be the national pastime. That exactly. I mean, and I don't mean like, I don't mean just like in the way
Starting point is 00:49:07 of like learning, book learning. I mean like educate, no, go out into the world and get experiences and have programs that give you experiences that you learn things. So for example, like science class didn't use, the original idea behind science class was not like, wrote memorization
Starting point is 00:49:26 and like, slap you on the ass. It was like, you would be an apprentice to somebody doing science and slowly learn how science works. And we stopped doing that because it was just easier to get kids to pass state tests so that you could secure some funding because there wasn't much funding. And now American education system has led to just an anti-intellectual wave during a period of time with enormous technological innovation and also desperate need. And we desperately need the like, we desperately need the intellectuals to answer our questions, our complex involved
Starting point is 00:49:59 questions to the best of their ability. And when then we need to follow their advice more than ever and any point in history. And nobody has ever been, nobody has ever encountered like, at least since I would say like the dark ages, an and the intellectual, a rash event intellectualism that has spread so quickly and so fast. It's, it's very worrying. Yeah, it's super worrying. And I just think that what divides people in this country, what allows them to be so divided as a lack of shared,
Starting point is 00:50:34 a shared understanding of what the facts look like. And like, you know, the Republicans and other actors in this country have worked very hard to undermine the, you know, to undermine like what we believe is truth. Like what we, whether we agree the two plus two equals four, it's not even like we're not even talking about, I mean, we're at fundamental stuff, right? Like is science, is science, is science real? Like, can we believe scientists, you know, or is there some secret hidden agenda? It's like, there used to be an agreement for the most part that, yes, like, scientists knew what they were talking about, and yes, when they told us something, we should listen
Starting point is 00:51:16 to them. And by the way, it's true that sometimes the scientists are wrong, and that sometimes an opinion that was one way is found to be the wrong opinion after, you know, we discover something new, not an opinion, but a hypothesis. You know, after we discover more information, but most of the time, like, it's actually pretty right on, you know, a lot of the time, most of the time, when scientists scientists tell you something they've spent their careers figuring that shit out and they know what they're talking about and so I think um what i'm what i think we're saying is ultimately is man fundamentally evil yes right i mean yeah i mean i think it's like i think that um we just but to me, that's the thing. Education in this country has to be the most important thing
Starting point is 00:52:10 that we tackle, I think. Like, I just don't, I think our biggest problem is this divide about like what our facts are. And I think that that divide just keeps driving this huge wedge in our lives and just keep creating these situations where it's like fair day cages for routers. If there was education about what 5G, forget about even just 5G, just about what is how the world works.
Starting point is 00:52:35 There would be a lot less of this conversation. I think, I don't know, I just hope we can get there because I'm so exhausted. Although less exhausted, less exhausted this week than I was last week in the week before and increasingly less exhausted as there's no stories or conversation about Trump that aren't just like sad and laughable. Well, something to that conspiracy theorists should actually be concerned about because it is actually a scary technological conspiracy is should actually be concerned about because it is actually a scary technological conspiracy is cops using facial recognition and Massachusetts is now trying to pass a police reform bill called S2963 which would ban the police from using facial recognition software in the state. And it would be the first state to do so.
Starting point is 00:53:27 And we should absolutely do that because facial recognition software, while is one of those technologies that like it's easy to immediately think, oh, look at the benefits. Like we would have security camera footage of every crime ever. But the software itself is super duper resist. I guess you don't want to end terrorism. If by end of terrorism you mean stop every brown person at the TSA. No, I don't think that's a good idea.
Starting point is 00:53:55 Look, I'm sorry, it has to be done for the safety of this country. We must enact very racist facial recognition or will never be safe. I like how we're like, man, we need this facial recognition because you know, the biggest thing killing people right now is definitely like terrorists or criminals. It's not like, it's villains from a superhero, from batwood, batwood, batwood. We're literally villains.
Starting point is 00:54:16 Yeah, it's literally like, yeah, I mean, it's crazy to me. I mean, facial recognition, I'm so, the whole culture of surveillance that we're creating is so scary and so I feel like wrong-headed and so dangerous because we have so many unknowns about it. Like, we got, I got, you know, we have a bunch of nest stuff here. I got a nest cam to put outside just honestly, because like, raccoons keep going in our garbage
Starting point is 00:54:41 and I wanted to like see what was going on. And just like, I was kind of like, oh, it'd be cool to be able to like see when like, there's a package going in our garbage, and I wanted to see what was going on. And just like, I was kind of like, oh, it'd be cool to be able to like see when like, there's a package arrived, you know, whatever. But, you know, and I was looking, particularly for things that wouldn't, that were I was like, okay, I don't think my data is gonna be sucked up into some huge database
Starting point is 00:54:57 and then used to like, you know, give the government information. Though Google does have services where it's like, you can pay to have them identify specific people in specific areas and specific activities. And it's like, you know, I don't, I actually don't want that. And I feel like most people don't either. But the more that you tell people that it's possible, the more it seems normal. And the more people are like, oh, maybe I should have that. And the more we become, the more we become like paranoid
Starting point is 00:55:25 and worried about and fearful of things that we should be going in the opposite direction on. I mean, the whole other way, of people. If there's not healthy to have a house that is protected constantly by surveillance that instantly recognizes everybody, I mean, just on a basic fundamental,
Starting point is 00:55:43 should this be a product in your life thing? It's not a healthy psychological impulse to be able to just tap a button and at any time watch everyone in your home. Like that's not a normal... No, I agree. I agree. And for the record, we have a one camera outside and it's basically just looking in our driveway. But the problem I think ultimately is even bigger than that, right? Because it's... Look at what... Okay. But the problem I think ultimately is even bigger than that, right? Because it's, look at what, okay. You started using Gmail, or Facebook,
Starting point is 00:56:09 because you were like, this is free, and it is a good way to keep on touching. Well, it was better. And when Gmail showed up, email was horrible. And so you remember how bad email was. You know what's so great is Gmail knows what is spam and what isn't spam and has a great filter for it.
Starting point is 00:56:26 Right. But you know how they built that filter is by looking at what messages people on aggregate decided were spam. Sure. Totally fine. But the problem is then you have, you know, Google is going through the dot com bust or whatever. And I mean, this is out of order.
Starting point is 00:56:43 But Google is going through the .com bus and they have all these searches, right? And they're like, we don't have any money. You know what would make a bunch of money is if we just turned on the ad button and then targeted the ads based on search data, which is, you know, it seems like a natural extension of the business. Then they've got Gmail, they do the same thing. Then they start using all this data for AI stuff.
Starting point is 00:57:03 Now Facebook knows what I'm gonna buy. They have been presenting me couches for weeks because I had decided I was gonna move, and that was based off one app download that they decided I was likely to move, and if I moved, I'm at a stage in my life where I would be upgrading my furniture. And what's the first thing you would upgrade, most likely a couch, and they probably know for my Amazon history that the last couch I bought was a piece of shit that I was only gonna use for a year. So now it's time for me to buy a couch, and now they know I need a couch and they probably know for my Amazon history that the last couch I bought was a piece of shit that I was only going to use for a year. So now it's time for me to buy a couch and now they know I need a couch.
Starting point is 00:57:30 We saw what happened with that set of data, like that's the goal for them, right? But with that set of data, we saw what happened with Cambridge Analytica had such a small data set and they were able to influence an entire election. What happens when cameras, there are databases of cameras that know everywhere you go, how long you're there, what mood you're in when you're doing it, who upsets you to be on the bus with? What, when they know everything, I mean Facebook has done studies
Starting point is 00:57:57 that they can influence the way you feel by reordering your timeline, they can make you happier, sad, and they can make you walk away sad. What happens when they have future recognition data? That's what kids play with other kids, and what kids get bullied, and who is likely to succeed? Like, I agree. We're fine.
Starting point is 00:58:13 I agree. Well, the other thing that I think is the insidious, or trillionsidious part of it is that it, is the way it normalizes this way of thinking, which I think is ultimately a very paranoid way of thinking. You know, I think if you see the behavior of people with these like the neighborhood, what is the neighborhood app called?
Starting point is 00:58:32 It's like these next door communities that are like, I saw a guy, you know, I was like, listen, by the way, communities have always been like this. I mean, any, like, even on a block in like the city, it's not, this is not like, it's not like, this is a new thing that like people are paranoid about like their little plot of land, you know, they're always like,
Starting point is 00:58:54 hey, we got some guy drove through here, who is that or whatever? Like that's been, my whole life, everywhere I've ever lived, you know, there's like parents are always running to the window going like, who is that? You know, like there's literally, there's a great like onion story or I think like,
Starting point is 00:59:06 or whatever. I think it's onion is like, you know, it's like nation, nation looking out window. They're doing something to the street or whatever, which is like, you know, I mean, we've all been there like our parents are like, looking at the window going like, what's the guy doing over there? You know, but, but it's like one thing when it's like,
Starting point is 00:59:21 it's in your like, you are seeing it and you're going like, I'm curious about this or whatever. It's another thing when you's like, it's in your, like you are seeing it and you're going like, I'm curious about this, whatever, it's another thing when you have a network of surveillance and you've got neighbors posting on a forum, sharing video of somebody who was walked by their house or whatever. And it's like that way of thinking about society the way society is arranged is,
Starting point is 00:59:41 it's this fear-based thinking about society when actually like, violent crime has been going down. Robberies are going down, murders are going down. People are actually, we're actually evolving in many ways to be more peaceful and to be kinder to each other. And like, again, this sort of goes
Starting point is 01:00:02 with that conservative, slash progressive, the conservative versus progressive worldview. But it's like, if you, yeah, if you live in fear of the people around you and you other, everybody who isn't in your immediate family, and you surveil and track as if there is some malicious intent to a person walking through your neighborhood, your brain is, you're changing your own brain chemistry to think about things differently.
Starting point is 01:00:26 To me, like the really scary part of this is not what Google knows. It's the way we change as people. It's the way that we change the way we parent, the way we live in communities, the way we care about the people in Exodus. I think that kind of thinking is what empowers people who are saying, well, I don't want to wear a mask because I know makes me personally uncomfortable. That sense of like you're in your little, your personal bubble of whatever you need and whatever makes you feel good is the thing that's most important.
Starting point is 01:00:53 It takes away responsibility for you to have to think about in a more complex way about the rest of the world. And it just others people to a point where they become a data point that you're trying to avoid or sus out or like target in some way. And I think like that to me is the scariest part of the surveillance world that we're building is that it changes our fundamental way
Starting point is 01:01:20 that we think about our brothers and sisters in the human struggle. And I think that's the part that's fucked up and scary and bad at the most fundamental level. It's like, yes, I'm worried about Google having data. I'm not, again, going back to that conspiracy conversation. I'm not so worried that Google is going to use it to create some, and ask some mask and experience.
Starting point is 01:01:47 I do think they'll use it to sell me stuff. I do think more than anything they want to use it to sell me stuff. And I don't trust Facebook as much as I trust Google. And so I'd like, but all of them should be regulated much more seriously. We agree on that, I think. But I'm more worried about what it does to people's brains and what it does to people's childhoods and what it does to the way that we think about our communities because I think now more than ever,
Starting point is 01:02:11 I think if I've learned anything in this pandemic, it's the value of other people and how sad and crappy our world is when you don't have them in it and how much I want to get back to it and like if anything we should be thinking of ways that we can create better communities and stronger communities not ones that we're trying to other people and push them out. Anyhow that's the ends my rant about surveillance, culture, and America and uh the stage capitalism, the latest stage.
Starting point is 01:02:46 By the way, don't make me tap the sign. In the background, in the background of all of this, I just want to say, I want to come back to a cyberpunk conversation, because in the background while I was searching around for videos, I had a bunch of videos up and I saw that there's actually like some comparison videos of the 2018 demo to the 2020 demos.
Starting point is 01:03:03 And like, you know, it's funny, our brains are funny, but there are side by side comparisons of scenes and it's like the 2020 demos look way way way better like way better like they're not even the same game So it's weird because there are definitely parts of the 2018 demo that look amazing and I haven't seen anything like it in any of the new demos And yet there are other scenes where you can see side by side and there's no question that couple of years. Yeah, I like the character models and the texture. Yeah, and the lighting and the shadows. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty phenomenal.
Starting point is 01:03:37 And so, I guess, like, again, here's where I'm at. I need to get this game because I can't live like this any longer. I cannot live in a world where I'm just not sure if it's going to be good or not. Like, I need to know. I need to know today. I have goodness for you in a week. No, it's not coming out. It's never coming out.
Starting point is 01:03:57 What do they delay it again? People, I think people will ride it. I think they'll be, they're going to take to the streets like the, like the Black Lives batter protest, but it's going to be about cyberpunkpunk. It's gonna be a bunch of game nerds With fun people like wait, well I smash it a CVS over cyberpunk 2077 I forget what expo was that but someone saw a Genshin impact and they thought it was too close to breath of the wild So they ceremonially like destroyed their PS4 on this show. He was wearing the show floor.
Starting point is 01:04:26 He just sh- like stomped on it screaming or whatever. And Sony and it was like, well, first I'm Sony didn't make the game. They should not, they should not do that. They should not. Don't destroy. I saw somebody, I, somebody shared a video of like somebody putting up, up PS5 in a, in like a, some kind of weird trash compactor and it was, it was really so mad, I'm so mad.
Starting point is 01:04:47 It's so painful to watch. I mean, I know it's like that's the point. It's so mad, but like the level of decadence to do that when people are just starving. Like, I don't know, it just made my skin crawl. It wasn't cute. Like when people used to put iPhones in a blender and you'd be like, ah, why would you do that?
Starting point is 01:05:04 Yes, yes. It's way worse than that. I don't know why. It's also larger. It's a much larger object also. And you're like, I mean, just the physicality of it. I mean, you know that. Oh. It didn't really shred it.
Starting point is 01:05:15 There was like a chunk left. Here's what I want to know. Is the Xbox Series X going to look better than the PS5? For cyberpunk. That's the only question I have. See it's so hard to know, right? Because the Xbox Series X in theory, everything should look way better.
Starting point is 01:05:29 And but in actual practice, everyone's finding that it isn't as good because Microsoft didn't give everybody enough time. Well, yeah, it's interesting. Well, it's interesting because I saw, I mean, digital founder, our boys, a digital founder, we're doing a side-by-side of the new Assassin's Creed.
Starting point is 01:05:46 And there's crazy weird slowdown and like, and like, over-scan and stuff happening in the Xbox version of the game. And they're like, these games are literally set at the exact same graphics levels and should have the exact same performance. Down the line, Xbox games might end up looking better, but right now, PlayStation games
Starting point is 01:06:05 look better. I was so, I was like, I was so excited. I was like, yes, because I got a PS5 and I could get the series X. I was like, hell yeah. My weird luck of the draw has paid off by just the performance. It was again, baby. Anyhow, so. I want to play everything. I don't even like symmetrical stick layout.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Actually, we should wrap up, but that brings me to the thing I want to talk about. I want to talk about. Well, that's going to be nice. You just remind me of it. Let's do it. You want to start? No, you will have something. I was like, okay, so.
Starting point is 01:06:41 So I got PS now. I for whatever reason. Oh, I got PS now. I for whatever reason, oh, I got PS now. I just look at the games too. I was looking at the games and I was like, wow, there's a bunch of games on here that I want to play. There's a bunch of games that I had on my steam wish list that I could just get for free right now. Like this game Greadfall, which is this old school RPG
Starting point is 01:06:58 that's super fun. And like the Street Fighter games are on there that I wanted to play. I was like, God, I really want to play like Street Fighter 4 and 5 and then But one of the games that's on there is Soma and I think you've talked to me about Soma. I feel like But I have avoided I don't know why I think partially because People you for years have been like you got to play Soma like it's right up your alley like this is a perfect like it's a total survival horror like very
Starting point is 01:07:28 Silent Hill You know resident evil bio shocky kind of like but part of it was like it reminded me so much of what I saw in the trailer Remind me so much a bio shock and it seemed to me like to be one of those games like there's a whole genre of games that I really don't like that are like What's the one that I've played? It's like you're in like an insane asylum. It's called, like, out, out something. Out, I can't remember the name of it. Anyhow, there's this whole genre of games
Starting point is 01:07:58 that are basically like the torture porn of survival. What? The inpatient? No, it's called out something. I can't think of survival. What? The inpatient? No, it's called out something. I can't think it was called out, out rank or out land or outbreak or something like that. At any rate, somebody's gonna say, right now Tony is going, like this is the name, yelling the name of the game.
Starting point is 01:08:17 So angry. But I've avoided, there's a type of survival, quote unquote survival horror game, that I feel is like the torture porn version of the games that I like. Like the games that I like are usually have a story, a better story, they're not. It's not narrative for the most part.
Starting point is 01:08:39 Yeah, it's not gores, it's not about just like gores, not just about jump scares, it's not just about like crazy monsters that are like. Is it outlast? Outlast,re, it's not just about jump scares, it's not just about like crazy monsters that are like- Is it outlast? Outlast, yes, that's the game. Okay. And like I played it,
Starting point is 01:08:49 but it's like, it's like literally like you're being like stocked in an insane asylum by like a doctor, like a crazy doctor who wants to like do a human centipede on you or whatever. You know, it's like that kind of game and like that just doesn't, it doesn't really do it for me.
Starting point is 01:09:03 Like I don't really love the games where you're like, your character's like breathing heavy and you have to hide under a bed and like that game is like all that shit, you know? And so I kind of avoided Soma because when I watch the trailer, it reminded me of BioShock a lot, but also, and I was like, I don't really know if I'm like down for like another underwater game.
Starting point is 01:09:22 And, and it reminded me kind of those games that are like, they feel like a little bit like torture porn for video games, you know? Yeah. But it's part of, um, of, of, of PlayStation. Now, so I was like, you know what? It's free. Why not give it a whirl? And I have to say, I can't believe like I slept in this game for so long. It's so, I mean, there are things about it that I don't like, they're for sure, like that I'm some of the things I'm talking about, but not really.
Starting point is 01:09:51 It is so interesting and smart and truly like atmospheric and like has such an intriguing storyline and tremendous acting and it's just like a really, really satisfying game. It's old, it's like from 2015, so it looks dated. The whole time I've been playing it, I'm like, God, it'd be so awesome if they did a remastered version of this where they upped the graphics.
Starting point is 01:10:13 We just had to hold out for when AI starts doing that for us. I know, it's gonna be so great. But anyhow, I gotta say, I am so surprised, pleasantly surprised. Now I haven't finished it yet, so I'm hoping I've been trying to avoid any spoilers. The game is very faxing. I mean, some of the puzzles and stuff are very, very hard. Like I've had to read guides. I'm just like, I'm not going to be able to figure this out. I'm not going to spend the time doing it. But it's a terrific game. And I just think it's like, it's interesting because the thing that I've done most on my PS5 probably since I bought it, is play a game from 2015. And it's probably what I've spent most of my hours of game time on the system playing. And I gotta say it's really, really good.
Starting point is 01:10:52 But I think something that is, the time has come is are these kind of all you can eat Netflix style game services. And I think we're starting to see it. Obviously some of the stuff that Google's doing with the Stadia stuff, I think that what Microsoft is doing with Game Pass or whatever they're calling it now Xbox Live or whatever the thing is, Xbox Game Pass. And I think I hope that PS now is basically developing into that kind of service. It seems like it is. I think Sony saw all the coverage Game Pass was getting and I think over the next year or two, we'll see about face on there. Oh, you can eat. Yeah. Well, I subscribe to you play just to play
Starting point is 01:11:30 watch dogs, Legion, which I need to unsubscribe to because I have I've played like none of it. I have no interest in going back to it. But, but I think that for something like on the PlayStation, it's so awesome to be able to download games that I've been like vaguely interested in but would never probably won't buy you know Or just like for whatever reason I didn't take the jump But if I could just play it right this second I probably would check it out and I've been you know I've like a couple of games now have been become like I'm like I'm into these and I want to finish them and I'm gonna keep playing them and so so I think like this is a nice thing about
Starting point is 01:12:03 Two things is obviously very video game related one is like so much great game If you love if you're a fan of Resident Evil or Silent Hill or You know first two bio shot games for sure Third, I think you include all the bio shot games This is a slam dunk. You've got to play it if you haven't played it You're missing out. Anyhow, so that's my nice thing. Oh, sorry. The second part, sorry, the second part of my nice thing is that I think these all you can eat video game things are now like have mature
Starting point is 01:12:35 to a point. We have enough bandwidth. The systems are powerful enough that it's like, it's really makes sense and is actually like quite brilliant. I have three very quick nice things in quick and quick sessions. One is my apartment, which is amazing. I have been swimming every day. I have Fios now. I'm hanging out in the courtyard. It's a dream.
Starting point is 01:12:54 Can't not shout it out. Great job, everybody who built the building and runs it. Two is... Luxury's God loves luxury style living. Well, I said, I'm the one percent now, and I'm ready to be eating alive. See, I get it. The second thing is Oscar Isaac has been cast
Starting point is 01:13:12 in the Metal Gear Solid movie and my king, I can't wait. So, he was like, so, he was like, this is perfect because both Oscar, Isaac and Salt Snake have great butts and. Yeah, that was terrible. Her big, have big butts basically. And I was like, yeah, that's actually true. Oh, can't wait, see those delicious asses.
Starting point is 01:13:32 I like how Oscar Isaac is just like, just they're just like, we need a guy, it's gonna be like a sci-fi thing. We need a guy. Who's someone who can act? He's kind of hot, but you know, take him seriously. They're like, we need these. They're like, he's these. This is a rocket. He's rugged.
Starting point is 01:13:45 He's manly, but like, you know, a lot like so manly, really good looking, great, but put him in a dune. It's like, anyhow. Thanks, King. And then the third thing was, I have, we have been living in boxes. Our new TV has not arrived. My media consumption has gone bizarrely weird.
Starting point is 01:14:08 And mostly I've been watching things on my phone or my iPad and having to just lay in bed while I watch TV. And it's just strange and I don't like it. But I have recently gotten into the very soapy, very juicy, the flight attendant on HBO Max. Oh my God, that looks so bad. It's so bad, it's good.
Starting point is 01:14:31 I'm obsessed with it. It's just bizarre, Kaylee Cuoco and Zosha Mammoth and Rosie Bell. I know it's crazy. It's not. It's not. It's crazy. It's not.
Starting point is 01:14:43 I'm having a really great time with it. It's so stupid. And so I would encourage everybody to turn their brain off. And also it's kind of fun to watch someone traveling a whole bunch when you can't. I know from some people that might be tortuers, but for me it was like a harder. I get it.
Starting point is 01:14:57 I get it. It's so good. So that's it. It looks so bad. I can't believe. I forgot to mention, I should, I even talk about it because I started watching Shits Creek, which you've been talking about for,
Starting point is 01:15:07 you've been talking about forever. It is, this shows very charming and very good. I don't know what it is about it. It's so like not, I mean, it's, it's the way that they interact with each other. You just wanna be around, it's fascinating, it's funny. It's, and everybody that's in it
Starting point is 01:15:24 is just giving like the performance of a lifetime just so Capital, it's just oh my god Catherine her so I mean she gets every of every of line that's the best line in every episode is her line I mean really like there are very few things where I'm like laugh out loud at like it's it's like you know It's it is a show that legitimately is It's not only is it like really funny, but it's also really smart. It also has a lot to say, but it also does very little.
Starting point is 01:15:51 It's heartwarming. It's not, it's so easy to watch. It's so easy to watch. Super heartwarming, very heartwarming. It's like a real like, yeah, it's like a real like, it's like a real like, this is us like heartwarming vibe, you know? But like not at all like this is us. And also very funny. And like, it's like a real like, this is us, like heartwarming vibe, you know? But like, not at all like, this is us.
Starting point is 01:16:06 And this is us, it's like. And also very funny. And like, it doesn't have to do, it doesn't try really hard to be very funny. Like, 30 Rock was very funny, but you could see the effort in every single joke. Yeah, it's like everybody's a comedian. Everybody's a comedian in 30 Rock.
Starting point is 01:16:18 I will say Dan Levy, incredible talent. So incredible. I was basically, we basically started watching it because we watched Happiest Season, which is the very controversial gay, hard-afe film. Oh, God, yes. Which I have to say, I went in like, this is trash.
Starting point is 01:16:37 The first 20 minutes is I was like, I'm sorry, I would fucking leave this person so fast. Like, why would you tolerate this abuse from a person? Then at the end of the movie, I was openly weeping. No, it's like, but then it like kind of acquits itself. Like despite how absolutely stupid so much of it is, like it kind of acquits itself pretty well and is like surprisingly like dramatic
Starting point is 01:17:01 and thoughtful in places. I mean, there are some really dumb things in it. Now, it's like, it's very saccharin like holiday movie. For like mainstream, people who are just getting into the idea of people being gay. It's like for like old people basically. Yeah, it takes place in the parallel universe where Christmas is the most important thing
Starting point is 01:17:21 that happens all year round. Yeah. And where also like people are like, they're conservative, but they're not actually conservative. They just flirt with the idea of homophobia. They're just like, they just like like to do a big Christmas party or something. It's like these people who are like, oh, they're Republicans. They're like, oh, wait, they're not Republicans. They're just like, some old school version of like,
Starting point is 01:17:47 it's like some old version, it's like a Hollywood trope of like the parents who are like, it's like the grandparents from Gilmore Girls. Yeah, I see. Who are like, who are like these like stuck up, richy rich like they have to do everything so proper and they go to a tee with the ladies and they do all this stuff, but like they're actually like deep down,
Starting point is 01:18:05 they're like really like warmhearted and like really care. And they can support everybody. They can be judged in a quick conversation around. They're not like, I hate black people. Like, you know, they're like, they're like actually very, they're like black lives matter.
Starting point is 01:18:17 Like, but you have to, you know, you have to like crack the crack of the shell first thing. They never say anything homophobic. There's just an awkwardness and then they have a conversation and it's not an awkwardness. And then they have a conversation and it's not so awkward anymore. And you're like, we did it, everyone. We thought, right, they're like the gay, right?
Starting point is 01:18:30 Like the gay kid is like, I thought they hated gay people, but actually they're both by. Like I for real thought, like I for real like, there's a part of that movie. And I don't want to like, I don't want to like, spoil or alert for anybody, but it was so absurd the way they treated the whole coming out thing and how everybody, everybody in the show was like, every movie that we're having a happy season. Everybody was like, well, actually I have something to admit too. And I thought, I was like, Lauren, I were like, in like, doubled over laughing about it.
Starting point is 01:18:59 I was like, the dad's definitely going to be like, you know, I experimented in college actually. Or like, you know, like, it was just gonna be like, actually I had a boyfriend before I met your mother. It was just like so, they were trying so hard to show everybody as having like some controversial secret that actually is totally accepted by the family. Anyhow, it's a great movie, check it out. But really, but happy a season,
Starting point is 01:19:23 what I was gonna say is what I was saying is, it's really Dan Levy is not in it that much, but the parts that he's in are both the, some of the funniest parts in the movie and surprisingly some of the most legitimately touching and dramatic and like heartfelt. And I was like, wow, like I kind of always just saw him, I've only seen him in like interviews and I've seen a little bit of shit's creaking. I was like, wow, like I kind of always just saw him, I've only seen him in like interviews
Starting point is 01:19:45 and I've seen a little bit of shit's creaking. I was like, he's kind of this like doing this stick, his like Dan Levy stick, which is very funny. But he actually has a pretty huge range and you see it in Shit's Creek the more you watch it. It's like, he's a pretty amazing actor. He's the first time I ever saw myself represented on screen.
Starting point is 01:20:02 Yeah, I get that. Other than, other than, Gossamer, the monster from Luni Tunes that gets what nails done by Bucke's Bonnie. I was also so thrilled. I just want to say, I don't want to talk about this Creek too much, and I do have to go.
Starting point is 01:20:13 But I was so thrilled by the whole, the way they play his sexuality in that show. Like I was so sure that it was going to be played in some very specific way, and they do something, I think, very surprising and like totally effective and interesting that is an inversion of the expectations that they have. sure that it was going to be played in some very specific way. And they do something, I think, very surprising and, like, totally effective and interesting that is an inversion
Starting point is 01:20:29 of the expectations that you have for, like, not only his character in the show, but for a type character's like his character, which I thought was really smart and interesting and funny. And, like, has led to so many, and I'm only, I just literally just started season three, but has already led to so many interesting like like Little moments between characters on the show. So anyhow, I think it's great. It's a great show. I have to say I slept on
Starting point is 01:20:52 I slept on someone. I slept on shits Creek and they're both great So don't don't ever listen to me. Merry Christmas everyone. Well, we're not we still have episodes before Christmas It's the 5th of December Relate on this episode. We gotta get this up. Let's get this up to the people. I don't wanna blow your mind, but Mariah carried declared it Christmas, so that's what we're living now. Well, if Mariah says it, then it is so.
Starting point is 01:21:14 All right, goodbye. Bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow, and as always I wish you and your family the very best, though digital Foundry has just released a video about your family and there's horrendous over skin issues. you

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