Tomorrow - 231: Red delicious

Episode Date: April 26, 2021

On this week's podcast, Josh and Ryan discuss Apple's latest event, including the launch of AirTags, the new iMac, and the new iPad Pro. Will Apple finally make the one change we've been begging for? Also, Ryan went to Star Wars Galaxy's Edge and Josh is planting an English garden. Happy vaccinated spring, everyone! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Josh Woods-Bullsky. Today on the podcast we discuss figs, sex dolls, and air tags. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. Okay, it's happening. It's really happening. You can't stop it. It feels like it's true. It's really happening. You can't stop it. It feels like it's true.

It's a movement. It's a revolution. And it's coming to you directly, coming directly into your ears right now. Okay. All right, well listen, it's been a couple of weeks, Ryan. It has been a couple of weeks. And I gotta tell you, it's been a busy couple of weeks.

Yes and yes. It's not been a slow, I wouldn't describe it as a slow few weeks for us or for the world, really. You know, pandemic back on the rise. Actually, I haven't checked in with the stats. I don't wanna bring everybody down right as we start here. Let's see how we're trending. We're hitting a wall of people that want to get vaccinated.

So that's great. Well, like, the vaccination thing is, and I understand that they're opening the Natural History Museum, which is definitely like some children of men type of stuff, like that they're gonna open the Natural History Museum in New York as a vaccination, whatever you call it, site, yeah. But yeah, I don't know.

I mean, it looks like cases are now trending down a little bit. I can't tell anymore. I'm just so, I just want everybody to be vaccinated. And I think we've said it, I mean, I think we've said it before. What I think what we really need is we need an Amazon drone to just shoot a vaccine, shoot just like a dart gun, just shoot at it everybody.

We should have, okay? Down people like animals. I want the hunter killer from Terminator, but instead of it shooting bullets and shoots syringes full of vaccines at everybody on the streets, okay, I wanted to have the thing, you know where the terminator can like, you know they show the terminator's viewpoint,

and it's like all the data, and it's like, you know, it's like, it's like outlining faces, and it's like, oh, target acquired. Like I want that except it can identify who has the vaccine and who has not gotten it, and then it's just shooting syringes at all of the population.

Absolutely. I think that if we can fund the NYPD, we can certainly fund this. Is that too much to ask that we have artificially intelligent drones shooting syringes that people on the streets of America? I think it's a simple and frankly, very modest request to the tech community.

So make it happen, you know. This is like the Republicans when they hear, when they talk about like Democrats or like liberals or whatever they talk about now, I don't know what they call people who are not Republicans. But like, that sounds right. That sounds right. That sounds medically accurate. But I think that's the thing, that's the kind of thing.

I mean, I feel like all the time they're talking about things like, you know, they're like, I'll tell you what's next. They're gonna have a vaccine drone, barren down on you on Main Street. Like that's what they're like. They're putting a vaccine to wear. They're putting vaccines to the motor rod. They're putting back things in the middle. They're putting back things in the middle.

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They're putting back things in the middle. They're putting back things in the middle. They're putting back things in the middle. They're putting back things in the middle. They're putting back things in the middle. They're putting back things in the middle. They're putting back lives in my mind. Just the most annoying ones. Just the worst ones at any rate. So, yeah, so vaccinations, you know, we're not all the way there yet, but it's happening. We hit a great, and I guess I'm gonna just, you know, I'm paying a pat myself in the back because I had this idea, but we did a story.

Clubhouse, you know the app where you listen to people talk, you listen to VCs talk about how they don't like the New York times. They had a precipitous drop in their downloads this month or last month. It went from like, you drop like 72% in March from the previous month. And our headline in the story, COVID-19 vaccine likely cause of death or clubhouse coroner rules. And I have to say, I think we've even talked about it on this podcast, that the first true casualty

of the post pandemic vaccine boom would be clubhouse. And it's unsurprising when you really step back. I mean, by the way, the height machine, the venture capitalist height machine is truly outrageous and should be studied for years to come. You can literally just get a feature that was on phones in the 90s and give it a name like yacht club and get four billion dollars. And it's just calling.

Yeah. I mean, it's honestly like it's truly just, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't get, but the hype factor has just been out of control on some of these things, and it's so obvious that so many of them are going to die. Yeah, I just think the VC hype of stuff, I mean, obviously, he's always problematic, but like in the pandemic, it really became focused on things that you can tell where the bubble really is. You can really see the shape of the bubble.

And the idea, I think, honestly, sub-stack, that's another one that I might go into. That's a whole show, but what's going on with sub-stack and the way that they're structuring their deals and what you're seeing from the people who are the most most red on Substack, it's just like this is going to like if you thought medium looked bad and medium, you know, obviously has no clue what they're doing in terms of a business model or in actual media. But if you think medium looks like they've got their head up their ass, I think the

substack fallout is going to make that look like a, it's going to make medium look like the New York Times by comparison. There's a hundred hour podcast we could do about substack, and I could just get into a million aspects of why I can't stand it. However, the best part, the golden silver, whatever copper lining, the diamond lining for me has been watching progressive journalists try to talk themselves into why it's okay to take a check from Sub-Stack on Twitter.

They're like, I'm gonna change her from the inside and media needs to evolve and I'm not saying it's perfect but I'm saying, you know, with this platform, I can create opportunity. You're like, you just take the check. I mean, honestly, I would'm saying, you know, with this platform, I can create opportunity. You're like, just take the jackpot. Honestly, I would just be like, you know what? It's a lot of money. These people suck, but like, I'm going to build my list and I'm going to write some great

stuff. And in, in my contract is up in a year, we'll see where things land. And maybe I'll just take my audience and bail. Like, you don't have to explain it. You're like, money, we get it. We all love money. It's fine. You don't have to convince me you're a good person.

That wasn't a requirement here. Right, exactly. So anyway, so, so yeah, so club houses, I actually didn't mean to talk about this that much, but club houses like, you know, very rapidly becoming not the hot item, which again is, you know, wildly unsurprising. But yeah, I think we're going through a lot of transition.

I mean, I think just more than anything, the, we're in a highly transitional state of the world where nothing feels complete, nothing feels like we've figured out where the end is. And it's a very strange time, very strange time to be alive. And I can think of no better thing to have happened during that period than for new IMAX to be announced. Oh my God.

Oh my God, let's talk about Apple. First off, these air tags, I don't care that they took 100 years to come out and that it's been like peekaboo with the rumors on these. They are, they look so good. I wanna buy like 100 of them. They are these little keychain, dongle tags, like these dots that fit into a variety

of little spaces that you can get them engraved to say whatever you want or an emoji. And they are basically just the ideal sci-fi tracker. Like it tells you specifically where the thing you lost is and when you point your phone at it, it beeps, when it like vibrates and it vibrates more the closer you get and it makes it super easy to find things.

And for someone with literally no object permanence because I have ADHD and if you Google it, that's like one of the huge under-disgust symptoms, is that like, oh, that would explain a lot in my life. If you don't know where the thing is, it can send you into a spiral. And also like everything needs to be in its little home that you've come up with for it.

And like for me, if I accidentally put my phone down while I'm juggling different items, I have no idea where I put it. If I accidentally put my keys in the wrong spot or give my keys to John and he puts them in the wrong spot, it will do real me for like 25 minutes. And this would change all of that. And I need them.

They're for $100. That's very affordable to me. I only have one complaint. And that complaint is that the, so I just bought, it's funny because I bought Laura for Christmas the two tile products. I bought her one that goes in a wallet and then the one that goes on a key chain.

And she basically like didn't use it until, like a few weeks ago, like didn't set it up until a few weeks ago. And then the day of the announcement, she literally like lost her phone and was like, I need to find my phone and she, I'm like, well, like, you know, we were kind of looking around the house and she's like, oh, the tile thing is supposed to do this, but like, it probably won't work.

And, you know, the tile, you can like press it, you like double tap the actual little tag, and it rings your phone, and it worked, completely worked. And so I was like, wow, like this is a good gift, I really paid off. So I really, but like it doesn't do the kind of tracking that Apple is doing with the air tag. I really like what they're doing.

I'm actually very disappointed to find out that they are not, they don't have, it's not a two way thing, which I think is by only knock on the product, which I guess it's fine because they have find your iPhone in a lot of other ways and maybe they're like, we already have this covered in different ways and you don't need to like,

but I think it would be really helpful if you could like push a button. I also think the Samsung Smart Tag does this. I have one of them, but I really barely ever use it. But it would be really great if it could work in that two-way capacity. But I do think, I will say, I read Ray's review of it, which obviously I encourage all humans to do. I was like, okay, I got to get this.

I want this. I read his review and I was like, okay, I gotta get this. Like, I kinda want this. You know, I read his review and I was like, this is very useful. Like, all the time I misplaced my keys. Like, I just, for whatever reason, or like Laura moves them, like, I put my keys down and then Laura moves them and I'm like, where are my keys? And I think that this kind of thing is like,

really, potentially, really helpful for like, just very small use case. But I just wanna pop open things that I own, like my laptop or like, I wanna pop open like our electric scooter, which I'm always scared is gonna get stolen, even if we're like, we have our hands on it. Like I just, I assume someone's gonna punch me in the face and steal the scooter.

I want to like, use a screwdriver to open its guts, shove an air tag in there and close it, so that even if it did get stolen, I would know where it was. And for 25 bucks, that's a great deal for me and a great value. And I wanna stick these things on everything. Yeah. I mean, I just, like, the idea that I could pop open

my PlayStation's little, like, white vinyl side thing that it has, get some crazy glue and stick an air tag in there and if anybody ever stole my PlayStation little, that like white vinyl side thing that it has, get some crazy glue and stick an air tag in there. And if anybody ever stole my PlayStation, like, it's irrational, but it makes me feel so much better. And so yeah, I want a whole bunch of these, unabashedly, I don't care. I don't care. Capitalism did one good thing this week.

No, I think that there's, I really do think there's a lot of use as for it. And I think that Apple, like as usual, they've got the user experience part of it down to a level where I think for most normal people who don't really want to spend a lot of time setting things up and fucking around with things, like this will be a much easier solution for them,

and it will just work, unfortunately, I'm sorry for everyone. And I think that's a huge deal with a product like this because it feels like a complicated idea. Kind of like you're like, okay, so I put the tag on things and then I have to set it up and it's like, you know, you're like, all right, now there's a whole other process for figuring out where my stuff is. I think Apple has streamlined that in a way that is obviously going to be very beneficial

for most average users. But I will say, I didn't want to tile for whatever reason. I didn't feel like I needed it. This to me feels like something that I could really use. For sure, at least when it comes to my keys, definitely something I could really use. That wasn't the biggest announcement they made, but I mean, it's interesting. The big announcement is like these new IMACs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm gonna do very gay IMACs. Yeah, so they, so they're, first off, they're in rainbow colors, which, I mean, I've been saying for a very long time, I think, as you know, that computers are just super boring. I mean, all technologies look really boring and obvious. And I think it's like, we're long overdue

for some ingenuity. Someone in our Slack said, took one of their ads that said, like, sorry, they don't come in beige about the IMAX from the late 90s. Those like candy-colored ones, and like crossed it out and was like, sorry, they don't come and brushed metal aluminum. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, I think Jack, our designer was talking about it,

and it was like, it's like, it is kind of crazy that we've just been, I mean, this is, this is why like, I think some of the things that Samsung has been doing in some other companies with, you know, in terms of materials and colors and stuff, like it's just so much more interesting. It's so boring to look at these products

and just go like, I don't know, man, this is like, I use this thing every day, it's very important to me. I, like, it sits on a desk, a nice looking desk around surrounded by other nice looking things. I have like, you know, custom keyboards that I pay a lot of money for, that I buy for specific, you know,

reasons some visual, and some otherwise. And like, Apple's's making the same laptop it's been making for like 20 years. I mean, when do they start making, if you look at like, if you look at the, the, I would say the power book, the silver power book is where it is the origin of like the exact same aesthetic that they've been on their laptop. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like, and so it's like,

how about you know, for how long, I mean, and everybody follows them by the way. That's the other thing is that most people are like, oh well, if Apple's doing it like this, then we should just do it like that because, you know, we don't want to like, we don't want to risk it. We don't want to do anything weird. We don't want people to get not like our product

because it comes in, you know, pink or something. And so, you know, the entire industry has been doing the same thing for ever. And so it's nice. I'm glad they're using different colors. It'd be cool if they explored some other materials. It'd be great if it wasn't just like, I mean, I get that I get that this type of product and this type of material makes sense, but you know, it's just nice to see some experimentation or like a little bit of fun. I do think though, Ray wrote a piece about, again, Ray has been killing it on this stuff,

but he wrote a piece about, you know, what the iMac seems like it should be doing, but doesn't, and he kind of compared it to the Surface Studio, which is a really interesting product that I think has utility for people that are, you know, in creative industries, where it basically kind of can fold down and has this huge touch screen and you can draw on it and stuff, and it's really cool. It makes you want a big creative.

And yeah, and I think it's cool. And his point with these new M1 iMacs is that they're basically huge iPads. And the truth is, the Apple's biggest problem right now is that the difference between an iPad and a computer is increasingly non-existent almost. And it's almost like they're like, well, we're gonna neuter the features of the iPad

because if we make it too good, then people will buy that instead of a laptop. And it's like, but we won't put a touch screen on the Macs because if we do, then people won't buy the iPad, which is the one that's about the iPad. Yeah, and it's like, I think it's at some point, you kind of have to admit what the use cases are like if you're I get that you like you love the portability of an iPad If you're an artist for certain things like totally true

But there are also a lot of professional artists and you know designers and Editors and stuff and it's like the utility of having both the touchscreen screen and the drawing options plus a big-ass screen that you can sit down at and really go to work on with a super powerful CPU and GPU. Like there is an advantage to that too and it feels like, my iPad, I've been traveling, my iPad is, oops, my iPad, there it goes. I've been traveling, my iPad is much heavier than my laptop.

And time for a day, you were gonna buy a new iPad anyhow. I just did that on purpose. I know I have evidence for my insurance people. No, the iPad Pro, I have the iPad Pro with the stupid magic keyboard attachment. And it's so bad. It's so heavy and clunky and hard to use and hard to position.

It's like, I'm sorry, but I would pay if you were like, okay, we've made a computer that isn't, is like a laptop, but then you can pop the display off and it's an iPad. I would happily pay Apple double for that product. Like, or at least like the equivalent of those two products, right? Like if your computer's a thousand bucks and your iPad is like 700 or whatever they're charging for like the base was with the iPad air how much they charge for that? It's 11 $500 on top end one or it's like Whatever I'm just saying. Yeah, it's like it might be $600 for the base level. Yeah, I'm just saying like you know imagine

Paying like $1,800 for a computer that also is an iPad. Like, I'm, I'm, I'll both put to that idea. Like, that doesn't sound crazy to me. But it's not that. It's just, it's just a matter of like, why are you making me learn two ways of doing things, even as a credit question? Oh my God.

Like, yes. On the iPad, I have to use separate apps in a completely different way to edit a photo, even with Photoshop on the iPad. And then on the Mac separate apps in a completely different way to edit a photo, even with Photoshop on the iPad. And then on the Mac, it's a completely different thing. So it's difficult enough for me to switch my brain between the two. Sometimes I'm like, I don't wanna pull the other one out,

even though it might be easier, because then I have to just change how I'm working. But then my parents come to me and they're like, what should I buy? And I'm like, I mean, I guess just a Mac, because all the things you'll learn on the iPad don't apply to the Mac, and you can do more on the Mac. So I, I guess just a Mac, because all the things you'll learn on the iPad don't apply to the Mac and I mean, you can do more on the Mac,

so I guess just get a Mac. It's like not a great idea. I get what Apple was doing by like trying to have two product lines and market them to different people and then some people buy both. Like great, we've double-dipped. But I just think at this point, it's becoming so clear that the iPad is just a Mac

with like a removable screen that doesn't run Mac OS. I mean, now we know for a fact that the Internals of these things are the same. Yeah, I mean the right the new iPad is an M1, right? So it's like there's absolutely no way in hell that you couldn't just and I'm sure somebody will figure it out at some point They're gonna hack An iPad to run like Big Sur or whatever. And like, why wouldn't it? I mean, you could definitely have a unified, I mean, Big Sur, like the OS, Mac OS

has been moving closer to mirroring the functions of an iPad and an iPad. I can run any iPhone or iPad app on my Mac now. So, right. So, like, so what are we doing here? What is happening here? I think they have an insanely confused product strategy. I think that when I use, let's put it this way.

I got an M1 Mac, and my iPad usage has dropped to almost zero, where I was grabbing my iPad and going to sit down somewhere and use it for extended periods of time time not plugged in because it's an iPad and it has great battery life. I now just grab my laptop like nine times out of 10 because I'm like, oh, I don't have to plug this in for like 10 hours or 12 hours or whatever. It's like the battery life alone is like, okay, I know I think of this now like any of my other Apple products, which is like, I'm not going to be charging this too regularly like once a day, maybe like at night. And so, I think that like, there's just a very confused situation where they are halfway

there and they've got, and at least with the iPad, I think they have a very, very bad operating system problem. I mean, I find using the iPad for, with a keyboard and a trackpad to be an extremely hampsisted experience. They're doing a lot to make the trackpad work and to like try to make the iPad at all, not just an iPhone or just a shitty Mac. Like, they're doing a lot to be like, look at this little feature we shoehorned in and we changed the visual style of this thing. And I get it, but it's a lot of wasted manpower when you could literally just take a couple of years.

Fold Mac OS and iOS into something, into one thing that works really well has a great unified interface, allows me to have multiple options for input. You know how to do it, you have the money, you have the R&D, you have the software engineers, just sit down and do the thing that you're been dancing around for 10 years. Just more, just sit and do the thing. And you will crush everybody else because guess what? Microsoft's been trying to do the thing for a while

and Windows has its own unique problems that keeps them from being able to do the thing. So you do the thing and you'll print money. Like I, I, yeah, 100%. And I think that, I think that there's something that's really like, I mean, I love, I mean, I really like my surface. I use it all the time.

I find it to be very enjoyable. I mean, I will say when I think about what Apple would do, if I could have a laptop that also had like pen functionality and touch functionality, I just think the experience would be seamless and very good. And I want them to do it. Like, and I like the, I think the form factor has proven itself.

So, you know, it's kind of like, anyhow, whatever. I mean, I'm happy they made new computers. I'm glad they're moving towards this kind of like unified arm architecture. I'm glad that they have had these huge advancements in performance. I mean, my M1 air is unbelievably good at computing. Although it did completely crash today

for no apparent reason, just absolutely stopped and shut down and rebooted, which I haven't seen in a super long time. But like other than that, I mean, it's rock solid and it is like, I would say the transition from Intel to the ARM CPUs is like kind of unbelievable how seamless it's been. So like, you know, Apple's done a very good job with that and I think it's very good that they're kind of unifying the hardware as well as the soft. Well, they're unifying the hardware. They're not unifying the software in any meaningful way, and it's sort of aggravating at this

point. So, like, I think the next stage for them, there's a report today, I think Mark German at Bloomberg had a story that, you know, Apple's planning to make some improvements to they're gonna do some things to the iPad. Like, they're gonna allow widgets, which is another insane. Think about this. They introduced widgets on the iPhone like last year, right, or two years ago.

Last year, I can't remember now because my brain is messed up. Last year, I think. Last year. And you can't put them on the iPad. They introduce a whole way of having your apps kind of arranged. It makes me so mad that we were not that afraid. And then I go to, yeah, and I pick up my, I had to, I basically just handmade app drawers

for myself with folders because this is so stupid. So I now have one, I basically was like, well, I want to be able to see widgets and I want to have all my apps in one place. So I just put everything in a folder and I just only use the first screen of the iPad. And it's like, but like, how could you not just like make this work for the fucking iPad? Like, why wouldn't you just be like,

oh, the software is universal because it's the same platform. It's insane to me because that's how it works on the Mac. You go to the like app pull up thing. The launch pattern. You have like the launch pad is how they want you to be using it. I don't actually use it. I just use Finder because I'm old school.

But like that is how it's supposed to work on the Mac. So if you're saying that the iPad supposed to be closer to a computing experience, like you have all those ads that are like, what's a computer? Then just do the thing that's working everywhere else. What bothers me is that they do all these segmented things, these artificial differentiations between the softwares to make this hardware differentiation like pop or whatever, so they

can have multiple lines of revenue. But what bothers me is that you're only doing that to the people who are the most frustrated because they're power users. And we all know what you're doing is artificial. And so just get your teams together and have them have your different teams. I understand though there's a lot of egos in the room, hash it out and just come up with whatever works the best.

And just use it everywhere. Seriously, it's very dumb. Anyhow, I mean, I'm sure two years, this is like, I mean, that's okay. That's like when the three years they'll have it. Yeah, it's like when the iPhone didn't have copy and paste and everybody was like, why would this not have copy and paste? This doesn't make any sense.

And then eventually it did and nobody talks about it anymore. But at any rate, all right, so what else is going on? I mean, was there other, there's no other really, like there's a new Apple TV, I'm like, whatever it has, the remote has a mute button, I think that's great. I don't use the volume on the remote, so you're not an issue for me, but.

I have so many ways to watch streaming apps that it's like, okay, I would love the Apple to have a good TV product just because Apple Arcade is getting good, and I feel like that would be a cool way to play those things. Yeah, there's some good Apple Arcade stuff like Wonderbox, which is a game that I don't know if you've been playing it all, but is Zelda and I have been playing and it's really cool because it has a bunch of world building.

You can basically create your own games in it, which is very, very cool. It's very like, it's almost like Minecraft meets Diablo meets Mario Maker. Yeah, I would describe it. meets Diablo meets Mario Maker. That's how I would describe it. And it's very fun. And Zal does make some really interesting levels with it. And I think Apple Arcade has been getting better. I still think there's some major problems with it.

More than anything, Apple Arcade is good because Apple just basically admits that the rest of their App Store is a shit show and they need to give people some real games that aren't like, you don't wanna play the family guy tapeth on game? Oh my God, I mean, there's so many crazy, a lot of people have been talking about the app,

how bad the App Store is, but they haven't even scratched the surface on the bad game scam shit that is going on, especially for kids games, which I'm not gonna get into at this point, but anyhow, the point is, Appler Kate kind of exists to give you an option out of that, which I think is fair.

And there are some ways to say these games are good, don't worry. But by comparison to a real, I mean, by comparison to a real, you know, like a PlayStation or a Xbox or a steam. It's like a single switch is better. A single switch game is better than my, you know, a better experience than all of the Apple arcade games. But, you know, I already own a phone. So if you can bring me good games cool And if they're that good that I would want to play them on my TV like maybe an Apple TV for a hundred bucks or 200 bucks Not like the worst idea

I mean their their big issue is like they should just have a first party controller and be like yeah Here's the experience and just they should give you a controller with every iPhone and iPad It would cost them almost nothing. It would encourage literally nothing. Yeah, they would kill the stuff. Nothing stopping them. Exactly. I agree. Well, I don't know if they I mean that's a whole other thing. I mean forget about portability, but they could literally give you one that's like when you get an Apple TV. I mean, I never play games on my Apple TV because I'm not gonna go to the trouble to like pair a special like oh, I have to take my place as you control her now and pair it with this like I'm not gonna do that You know, just but but if they shipped it with one,

I absolutely would play it. Yeah, I mean, honestly, just buy the, like, you know, backbone people or buy the Razer Kishi designs and just send that with phones and then just pop out the middle part. And like, it's a good controller. Just pop out the middle part that the phone goes in and send it with an Apple TV.

Like, I would definitely use that, but we're trying to talk sense to you know, I know it's listening. I know it's listening. To a Medusa company where I think Apple is increasingly, I mean, Apple has always been so unified in its approach and its attack strategy. And right now it just, it feels more and more like the different parts are floating away from each other.

Which in some ways is a relief because you're like, well, at least they're trying something new over here and hey, Apple arcade, that's a weird idea. It's working pretty good. Hey, look, they're doing this thing. But it doesn't feel like Apple one felt like an attempt for them to pull all the pieces together. And it has not exactly set the world on fire.

Yeah, I would say that that's true. I mean, a little bit of chaos is good for Apple, I mean, generally, because there's such like, you know, the opposite of the trains always run on time. Sort of. Yeah, but it's like, there's a lot that's like, you kind of, I mean, I understand maybe they don't want to get into gaming in a significant way, but it's just like a nice little, maybe it's a hobby for them as we've heard Apple talk about before. But it doesn't seem like a hobby.

It seems like they're making real investments in it. So if you're gonna make investments in it, like, also a hobby, it's the most lucrative entertainment industry on earth in your computing company. Like, you want to just leave money on the table, I guess, because like, I get the app source printing money, that's great. What if it was like printing more money? Like, I get the app source printing money, that's great. What if it was printing more money?

I don't, right, well that's it. Yeah, I don't see them being like, we don't like the money. That's, that's, that's, that sounds like them to me. So, at any rate, so, I think that, look, apples and announcements are fine, they're good, they're great. I have no problems with them really. I actually haven't even looked at the,

how much are they selling the iMacs for? Like, I haven't even looked, because I'm not buying a desktop computer. The only desktop computer I'm buying is one that plays games with ray tracing. So, yeah, I can't see what, like, it looks very cute, and I'm like, wow, I love the design, but I can't see like myself ever purchasing an iMac again, but

Trishy what's the top end here? I mean this is basically just my laptop with a bigger screen right? I mean that's yes, it's the m1 8 core And which I think is what I got in my in my I like the colors the top So they're all 24 inch I like the colors. The top and the furthest. So they're all 24 inch. 1700 bucks before customization,

and the bottom version costs 1300 bucks before customization. What color would you get? The red. I'm torn. The purple and the green. I like the red and the green. Oh, the green's nice.

I kinda like the pink. Well, I guess it's pink. It's hard to tell because the, it's a monon. I think it's, I think it's like red and pink. I don't get the pink. Well, I guess it's pink. It's hard to tell because the, it's a monomer. I think it's, it's like red and pink. I don't get the white bezel, but I do think it's, I guess that's better than a black bezel,

but I feel like they should have just had no bezel. Like, you know why they did this white bezel? To annoy me? No, so that they can remove it later and you would be like, ooh, so sleek, so refined. And all they did was change the color of the bezel. I mean, I guess that's possible. Like, I'm willing to be like, they're sneaky enough to do such a thing.

Yeah, I mean, it's fine. It certainly harkens back to the old iMacs. Like, I gotta say, anybody who buys the silver one is sad and close. It's just like the old iMacs in the same way that they both have terrible fucking mice. What's really funny, what's really funny is that, if you look at the silver version of it, it just immediately is like the other iMac. It's like, oh yeah, that's what an iMac looks like.

Yeah. It's crazy how much the color actually makes a difference. So yeah, these are two tone colors. It's like red and pink, basically. He's not a big fan of red as a color, personally. I like, I do like the green. That's quite nice. I like the green.

I don't, it's refreshing. I have zero use for this thing, but man, it is nice looking. It is cool. If I was to set design an office or like, you know, if I was to set design some kind of TV scene where there had to be an iMac in the shot, I would be thrilled.

But I'm not gonna go out and buy one as like a human being in the world. Yeah, I think it has like four USB-C ports at the back. It's like no SD card slot. No SD card slot. Now you just hang a dongle off there. I mean, I will say, you know, well, I guess like, yeah, I'm looking at it now. I'm like, they need to do this with the laptops first off. They need to make color.

They're gonna do color laptops, right? I'm begging. I mean, they have to. They have to. I don't see how they don't, honestly. I don't mean a dreamtree. Especially if they made them translucent. Well, I don't think they're gonna make them translucent

because of the metal. I'm just joking. I'm just kidding. You're gonna have an issue with that, I don't think they're gonna make them translucent because they're made of metal. I've just done it. I think you're gonna have an issue with that. You can't be color. But no, I mean, these are very attractive and I like them a lot. And I would buy one if I needed one. Now, the important thing is that they're making

the accessories in the colors, right? Yes. Like, do they ship with a keyboard or no? They ship with a keyboard. They start with the touch ID keyboard Wait, they do yes Can I buy the touch ID keyboard? Yeah, that's what I also buy once I really I know the Tony loves when I just shop on the on the podcast

I know that's one of his favorite things that I do All right, what else is happening what else is going on? Do you want to talk about sex dolls? All right, what else is happening? What else is going on? Do you want to talk about sex dolls? Oh, yeah, I mean, you mean like just casually or specifically? We have a story on the site about how sex dolls are the new influencers, where these accounts are being,

are like Instagram mostly accounts that are like, I'm a sexy sex doll and it's like someone, I guess, like impersonating the dog, like I don't know what the word is. I mean, they're in the voice of the... They're larping, yes, yes, yes, yes. So have you watched, made for love?

I watched the first episode last night. Did you not like it? I loved it. I just have five minutes to pass out. So there is a, I don't know if they get to it in the first episode or not, but there is a plot point about a sex doll in the show. And they really explore it.

And I don't think it's a spoiler to say this because if it's not in the first episode, it's like very quickly in the second. This seems to be like there is a trend here where sex dolls have evolved evolved the whole culture of and by the way I'm you know in no way endorsing or or or even saying you know that I don't endorse you know people who have relationships are really into sex dolls like do whatever you want like I'm I don't you're not hurting anybody it's fine you know but I do think that

enduring the pandemic something has happened. I mean, I think partially it's like people are really lonely. There are people who are really lonely and your options for becoming less lonely have been greatly reduced. And like, you know, there clearly is for certain people something to be said for the companion for any companionship, even if it's an inanimate object that you have to basically like imprint an identity upon in your mind. And I think like, you know, I, I And I think this is the kind of thing that's right

for a derision. And I like, look, I'm not like this is a cool thing and we should all be doing it. I don't have a strong opinion, I guess. But it is, it is like foreign. There is, the criticism of it is. I mean, I think of course people get relief from this so great, but the criticism of it is. I mean, I think like, of course, people get relief from this so great, but the criticism of it being don't have,

don't create a romantic interest or partner or friend for yourself. That is also an inanimate object because it might just train you to think that that's what people should be. Yeah, I mean, it definitely, you know, the negative takeaway is like this is like just, you know, another way to objectify women. And I mean, this in this particular case, we're talking about,

I think almost all, you know, I don't know if they're, I assume there are male sex dolls, you just don't hear a lot of them. They're not as advanced because they're not as much investment into the male sex dolls. Yeah, go figure. And so, and so, you know, I do think, of course, there's that, I mean, look, they're fucking sex dolls, okay? I mean, their whole entire purpose is to be objectified. But I, but, but, but, but, I mean, to the point though, there's very few avenues for relief for people who are lonely

or don't have like sexual outlets. Like, there's very few socially acceptable avenues for relief. Sex work is illegal in most of the country, unfortunately. And so, if this brings someone a level of comfort in a way that like, I don't know how else they would be comforted, you kind of have to weigh the pros and the cons. And I think creating at least a healthy, more public dialogue about it is probably better than having them like, you know,

in cells in their rooms with the door sealed shut, like talking to the doll. It would be better if this person's like, you know, I use this toy when I'm horny and I understand that it's a toy. Like that would be, I think, a healthier way to come about this. So certainly seems healthier to me.

Yeah. But then again, I don't know what it will be like to be in a relationship with a doll. Maybe it's great. Maybe it's actually the way to go. But I think what might take away from this was more like, a doll can do the job, this is so mean, but a doll can do the job of an Instagram

influencer as well as a human being, because like, it just needs to have pretty images and nice captions and, you know, comment back to you occasionally to give you that shout of dopamine and the, like, feeling of being perceived post stories with interesting updates. You know what I mean? Like, that's really all people ask out of influencers is like nice images in the occasional recognition from them and like a parosocial, like they can project all these things onto them. That dolls are great at that.

And if anything, it speaks to how shallow and how shallow the influencer economy is and how much influencers work influencers and that whole segment of advertising has done to convince us that there is further value to what they're doing, then just selling you stuff and being pretty. And I guess maybe there isn't.

You know what I mean? Like, little Michaela tells us anything. If that you don't need to be a sparkling, amazing person, you could just be a computer model. Well, I think the reality is that the world of the influencer is a world, I mean, it's entertainment for other people for the most part. Now, I mean, I guess obviously people aspire to be that,

but to me, the influencer is like a super model or Maccabee or actor, or even an actor, where instead of acting in a movie, they act or TV show, they act on the internet. And their job is to project a character. The character is, I go to crazy parties and I'm like, get all this free fashion and I live as a beautiful...

Yeah, I live this beautiful life. And you know, it's like, I mean, everything is drag. Parasoltin turns drag into regular life and then we all did it. That's, I'm having a mind blowing moment. I mean, we, we, yes, I mean, we have, I mean, I was actually just talking to someone about this about the kind of end of celebrity. And I know people say this stuff, they've said this a lot, and they talk about like, oh,

well, everyone's a celebrity, the no one's celebrity. And the truth is that's actually, that is true in some way. And the concept of what a celebrity is is changing. And I think like one of the things that's happening that is not just influencer culture or internet culture or social media or whatever, but also like in streaming culture, like things are the some of their parts now

more than they've ever been in the sense that like, I couldn't name, I know there are now our people from the show Bridgerton who are like, who have been, who are now famous. But before that show aired, I'm not are now are people from the show Bridgerton who are like who have been who are now famous But before that show aired I'm not sure that I would have been able to tell you a single person's name on the show or Who like who they were where they came from or why I should care about them and and overnight It that show went from being no nobody's ever heard of it to being the thing that everybody talked about in the world

And the people who are on that show went from being like basically nobody's to like celebrities who are hosting Saturday Night Live. And I think that like that pipeline has dramatically changed. I think that it is, it is there's so much there are going to be so many fewer like Brad pits. Like when you think about like Tom Cruise or, uh, uh, and yet, and Jolie, if you're gonna be more, you know what I mean? Like, there's a Brad P. But for. And then Lee Moore, you know what I mean? Like, there's a Brad Pitt for every state, every town. You know what I mean? Well, but it's like, but it's like, but it's like, but it's like the more of them that exist,

the lower the value of all of them generally. In the sense of, right, like it's almost like music. Like, there used to be like four people who were pop stars. Yeah. You know what I was like, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Prince, and Whitney Houston. Yeah. You know what I was like, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Prince, and Whitney Houston. Yeah, Whitney Houston.

Okay, there's like a whole, okay, it's more than four, but it's like that, okay? Yeah. And now it's like, there are so many, right? There are so many that one, everybody has one that can be their favorite to all of them can have their moment or moments. And three, nobody really cares that much.

Like nobody really cares. Like, and that's, I think partially, I mean, I'm not trying to work towards a grand unified theory of everything here, but like, you know, when you think about, think about how many new artists have died in the last like five or 10 years. People who were like, oh, they're awesome.

And then like two weeks later, everybody was like, they're dead now. Yeah. I can think of like the French sound cloud wrappers, like that whole genre. I can think of a ton of people at the top of my head who were literally like, they're on the cover of a magazine or they are, oh, they're the hot shit,

like they're gonna be huge. And then like two weeks later, they're dead. And now they are just basically almost erased, you know? And I think like this, we've accelerated and flattened the cycle of celebrity in a way that is like kind of fascinating and in some ways very good, but in another way it's like absolutely tragic and awful and depressing. And like I just hope that what I hope the end result of all of this is is that we start to think about we start to realize that like people giving you attention and you like getting paid for that attention is less important than other things that you might do in life.

And that like there's a fleetingness to it that should make it less valuable to us. That there is like, the connection between you and your audience is much more fleeting than connections like between you and your family or your friends or you and a doing work that you love or whatever the thing is. I think that, so it's interesting to see this kind of like, so getting back to the sex doll's thing, I mean, I think to your point, I mean, you were like, everything is drag. I think there is a point here, which is the, you can be just as big a fan

and have exactly the same relationship with a virtual person on the internet and through social media as you can with like an absolutely 100% real person. Yeah. And the differences are frankly negligible. Like the differences are like, oh, well, well, I know one is real and I know one isn't,

but like a lot of people don't care. I mean, Lil Mikaela is a great example. I think I hope the majority of people who see Lil Mikaela are like, that's not a real person. This is not an actual, the actual Lil Mikaela talking to me on Instagram. But that does not stop that character for becoming wildly popular and people conversing

with that person as if they are a person. So yeah, I mean, I think that if anything, the sex doll story just further magnifies the reality that we're living in, which is like our relationship with what a celebrity is, or what an influencer is, or what, you know, what will, what passes for what will hold our attention is has changed dramatically and is in a state of intense flux and evolution right now that like I, you know, could have very negative, could have very negative results, but almost more likely, I think we'll have positive results. I do think the worst part of all of this is that young people,

kids are like, what I really wanna do when I grow up is like be like a creator or whatever. And it's like, if you only think you create his content that is like the existence of it is to create content, to me that feels very sad. Yeah, I was gonna say like, you know, you look at the influencers and the prank YouTubers and the like,

heavily filtered beauty gurus, like all of this and I'm gonna sound so old, but I don't care at this point because I have to live my truth. I'm so happy that my brain development got to finish right before all of this, because like, if you're under 25 and your frontal lobe doesn't work, I don't know, like if you're a 14 year old girl on the internet, like, I don't know what Lil Mikaela

and the sex style influencers and the beauty filters and like unlimited porn. And like I'm not, I don't wanna be approved and say like it's all bad, but we just don't know what that's gonna do to people or like what's gonna do to kids developing brains. And some kids who have parents who have the money and the power to be present in their lives

will have the best of this, all right? Like Zelda has curated games on her iPad that you play with her, you get to spend time with her, you can put things into context, you can tell her she doesn't get an Instagram account. Some parents work, I mean, and it's not your fault, but you know, and it's not their fault, it's just our horrible society.

Some parents work three jobs and their kids are being babysat all the time and the babysat consider just gives them the iPad and they have unlimited access to all of this, I don't know where it goes, but I can't imagine it's all good. Yeah. And that stuff gives me pause, but I guess if you're in a developed adult,

like of course you should have all these options and tools in front of you, and maybe it's good that we split, I kind of think in some ways it's good that we took the Britney Spears of the world and chopped her up into multiple different jobs. Like we're like, okay, these people dance professionally, these people are style influencers.

This person is like, you know, writes cute little novels. You know what I mean? Like we're not asking pop stars to be everything to everyone all the time and like be worshiped like, you know, Virgin sacrifices. That's good in some ways, but in other ways it's a little troubling that like, yeah, a prank YouTuber who like plugs flat tummy tea to seven year olds is probably richer than any author outside of like celebrity authors

like JK Rowling, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's definitely like, yeah, it's an interesting moment in evolution for what we for how we think about like, what people can be and what they're supposed to be. I mean, I think, I tweeted about this the other day, like a few weeks ago, I was like, I think the pandemic more than anything has kind of broken down

are the notion that there is a big plan, that there's always like a way that things go, there's a way that things are done, and that somebody somewhere has like a steering. Even if it's like, even if it's steering in a way you don't like, even if it's steering just big parts of it that kind of trickle down. And now I think like what we've seen, the other kind of like chaos of the pandemic has been like, nobody has

a plan. Nobody really knows what to do when the shit hits the fan. Some people are better at it than others, obviously. Some people have more answers than others that you can actually count on for sure. But like, generally speaking, the arrangement of life that we had been living for, I mean, certainly all of my adult life and through all of my childhood is, I think, severely broken down at this point. And it's clear that like living, trying to live in somebody else's world or world view is impossible for a lot of people and there's really good reasons for that. But it's also true that like, you know, it's unclear what the general shared worldview is at this point. I mean, we've all leaned so heavily into escapism

in the way of like not just, you know, like, oh, I'm gonna read a novel. Like escapism by way of like living vicariously through things, watching old movies, you know, talking to people through filters and playing games with them. And like we at this point, America has thrown itself into what has long been

its most passionate hobby, which is like entertainment. And I think as much as that is bad and we're training a lot of people to use those things in ways that aren't healthy, I also think we're also inoculating a lot of people against this stuff. If they like once, the doors are open, you know how much Netflix I want to watch when I have the option

of going to a house party every night? None. Like I've done that for a year. You know how much I am a professional video game player. When work is over and I'm allowed to leave my house, I used to cancel plans to play video games. Guess what? I am never doing that again, or at least not for the next five

to 10 years. I'm going to go on every vacation, see every friend, because I understand the value of it, and how fleeting and how easy it is to be taken away from me, so much more than I did before. I took all of that shit for granted, and I wonder if when this is over, that level of like, artifice and escap and like like the opiate of the masses, I think people will not be

satisfied working, you know, I mean, and they'll have more actionable rage if they're working 12 hour shifts just to get home and look at Instagram and watch Bridgerton to pass out to wake up to work 12 hour shifts and they don't have health insurance. People will be less c-sheeted by like the fantasy of Bridgerton for three hours a night than they will be if they're like, I wanna go out and do things with my life and now I still can't. You know what I mean?

Like people when this is over are gonna wanna go on vacation and some people can't afford it and they're gonna realize, hey, it's super fucked up that I was inside my house for this long and I still can't go on vacation. Yeah, no, it's, it's also just the, I mean, there's just, you mean, there's an article about like, all these people are quitting their jobs

and it's like, yeah, and a lot more people either don't have a job to quit or couldn't possibly imagine quitting their job and finding something else to do with the kind of, the disparity, it's like the disparities are like, so much more visible and yet like, weirdly, so much more hidden. It's like the strange thing where,

I don't know, anyhow, not to, we're spiraling out here into the into once again into the grand unified theory. But I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, back to the sex dolls, Ryan, no. I just think it's like, yeah, I do think there's kind of a cultural, I mean, I'm mostly reckoning happening because that's not the right word. It's, we're going through so much change so quickly that it's hard to quantify what the effects are gonna be. Yeah, like, I don't, in a year from now, if we can actually get everybody vaccinated, and we can like get the coronavirus

in its current form, like, Robocop, undur control. But if we can get coronavirus under control We may find a year from now and listen humans are Incredibly both like stupid and resilient like part of our resilience is our stupidity Like people will definitely be like I don't even remember what that was like because their brains will like for For many reasons just kind of a race at the time.

And I think we may find ourselves in a year, or a year and a half, or however long it takes, when we've really put this thing to bed, if we can actually put it to bed, doing the same things, feeling totally back to normal, feeling like, wow, that was a weird thing that happened, but here we are, and where life is the way it was. I think it's just as likely that we never go back, that we never, ever go back to whatever

that previous, I think like the one to punch of an authoritarian fascist white supremacist running the country for four years, plus, you know, ending with a massive, deadly, global pandemic has shifted the world on its axis in a way or off its axis rather. And what the net result of that is, I can't see right now. Like I feel like I used to be able to feel like I knew the path that everybody was on and I could go, oh, we're trending in this direction. I think it's either like, you oh, we're trending in this direction. I think it's either like, you know,

we've just moved through, we're moving through now the end of one of the worst periods of human history. And I have people be like, oh, you're being ridiculous. It's like, yeah, like, no, it's actually unprecedented. How bad things have been. Yeah. And how much, you know much racial disparity there is, wealth disparity, just the huge amounts of inequality

that exist right now that we've allowed to, that we've allowed to just metastasize. So we're either getting to the place where it now becomes so obvious and so visible in such an issue that we really have no choice but to like confront it and do something about it. Or it's such a force of nature at this point. It's such a, you know, it is like a SkyNet problem

and it just is like, it's on autopilot now, you know? And like, we can't do anything to stop it. And like, I think both of those things are equally likely at this now, you know? And like we can't do anything to stop it. And like I think both of those things are equally likely at this point, you know? So I'm just constantly vacillating between being very excited about the future where we have like green energy and we have a wealth equality and race equality. And like people can stop fucking carrying

if like stop making laws against trans people and race equality and, you know, like people can stop fucking carrying if, like, stop making laws against trans people, like for reasons that nobody understands, except like hatred, like it just like doesn't make any sense, you know, it's like, oh, they just hate these people, like, it's crazy. You know, that we're entertaining, like racist, open racist, open white supremacists who speak about it openly that are in our government. To me is like, how can this go on like this? Like how can we tolerate this?

You know? So maybe there's a picture where it gets better, but there's also maybe there's a future where it gets awesome. Like where we get, it's exposed and it's dealt with in some way. You know, whether that's education or, you know, I don't know what, but like, but then there's the other future where it's like, you know, it's Donald education or, you know, I don't know what, but like, but then there's the other future where it's like, you know, it's Donald Trump runs in 2024 and gets reelected.

I mean, I, you know, I, it's like as likely as anything, I guess, at this point. I know, I honestly, I do feel that some in some ways we're just playing pop-a-matic trouble with the America. But we should, let's, uh, uh, move. Wrap up, move to nice things. Yeah, I love it. I'm loving it.

OK, you start. OK, nice things. Number one, I went down to Orlando and double masked, vaccinated, only did the things we thought were safe, did not eat indoors, blah, blah, blah, blah, went to Universal Studios and Hollywood Studios in Disney World and had a wonderful time. Disney World. Was it good? Disney World? Disney World and had a wonderful time. Disney World.

Was it good? It was a weird. Disney World's doing a great job. I'm like, I hate Florida. Was it crowded? I don't trust media conglomerates, but Disney did not have big crowds. They had everybody socially distanced.

They were giving out masks. They were enforcing things. They're all their protocols are great. Mobile food orders, all the ride lines were outside. And it's all outdoor, right? Like they're not doing indoor stuff. Even the indoor rides are overly socially distanced when you get inside and then outside they have the lines sneaking around the park or they have digital cues so you know when to return. Oh, interesting. Great. Disney did a great job. Universal did all the same measures, but not if it's working. Universal was super fun and it's an amazing park

and I love that Disney has competition. But something about the thrill rides or the drinking or there's something about the environment in Universal where all the same rules and enforcement and attempts are not working at all. And I did not feel safe and I'm vaccinated. I didn't feel safe the whole time. It was just tough.

Yeah, rough stuff. I know somebody who was like, I'm, you know, got vaccinated and they're like, I'm gonna go on vacation with my vaccinated friends because we need to just do something and they were basically like, I have to come back. I can't handle the way other people are behaving

and the environment. It's like really dangerous. Yeah. And like, I kind of feel like hearing you describe it. It's like, yeah, I mean, I'm fully vaccinated, but I feel like there's not a lot of things that I would do differently at this point, and I would not feel comfortable doing like normal things

until like 80% of the population is vaccinated. Well, totally understand. And like we, we made, I'm not saying, I'm not saying like going to like a park outdoors or something. I mean, you know, like at amusement park, like I would be, I would almost be like, yeah, we felt the same way, but it's funny because you, you, we know what the best safety pressure procedures are. And but it's to watch people either you can tell that they slowly gave up during the course of the day or to watch people just completely like think that like a theme park is an

Ali Ali oxen free zone where nothing matters is just it was just eye opening because I'm like oh so this hasn't sunk in none of this has sunk in with you over the last year but in any event I wanted to just say the Hollywood studios has a new Star Wars section of the park that is fucking incredible. They have a ride called Rise of the Resistance that is the most immersive, coolest experience I've ever fucking had. I do not want to spoil it for anybody, but when you get the chance to go to Hollywood Studios and do Star Wars Land, it will knock you on your ass.

I had a wonderful time. It was so cool. It was really really really great There's multiple rides in that section of the park. It's so themed John has watched like two Star Wars movies And he walked away saying that was the best like theme park experience he's ever had. It was so good So ranting about how good that was My surgery is coming up. I'm getting a A bunch of things done, but I wanted to take a moment and mention that a lot of listeners reached out to me and said that they appreciated me talking about

it, but some of them wanted me to be more specific about what I was getting done, and like more specific about the procedures to sort of destigmatize it. So I wanted to just say that I'm getting a bunch of scar tissue that's on my abdomen removed, which I've really wanted done for a long time. And while they're in there, I'm going to get a tummy tuck in lipo because once you got me opened up, let's go to it. And then I'm getting a kind of comastia surgery, which is like a male breast reduction for like excess breast tissue. It's unsightly, and it also puts you at risk for breast cancer, slightly higher risk and since I have a hereditary history and my family of breast cancer, it made sense. And so

those are the things I'll be getting done. They're getting done in two weeks so we won't have a show. But yes, so there is no stigma attached and those are the specific procedures to the people who are asking. Should I be nervous? Should I worry? No, I have the best. I would be nervous. Because hearing that you're getting any surgery makes me very nervous. I have Dr. Steinbreck, who is the best male plastic surgeon in the country.

He invented the techniques and the tools. I actually want to talk to him maybe when you can do an interview on the show or something. It can be interesting. He's fascinating. He's a very nice guy. His whole practice is, there's so many aspects to it that are different for men that you would have never thought about. But it really is reassuring to know that that level of thought goes into everything that they do. And, you know, I'm the first person to be suspicious of medical procedures that

require you to pay all the money on front, let's say. Right. But I feel very safe and I'm very, very excited. So there's that that I'm excited about. And then the last thing, final thing I promise is thank God Derek Chauvin was found guilty on all three counts of murder, the murder of George Floyd. This is not the end for defunding

and shutting down the police, complete police abolition, in my opinion, or at very worst reform. And I, but I think it's important to highlight how extremely rare a conviction on something like this is not just in that state, but also nationwide. It's extremely rare for cops to be convicted of violence, even though they kill lots and lots of people.

And during the ruling, even a young woman, a young girl, 14 or 15 year old girl was killed by the police. And you know, as much as it's a huge release, it's really been such a nice thing to see if not justice, like recognition by somebody and authority that what happened is so egregious and over the line. I mean, even, I'm on Long Island right now for a long story I'm not going to get into, but I'm on Long Island. It's my Republican family members were even like it's cut and dry like that guy is clearly a murderer. No, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, but you know, that's the thing.

You're also like, I mean, yes, very glad that the verdict came back the way it did But it's also like, hey, I mean we've seen this before and how many times have we seen the verdict come back in the other direction and and it's true that like The minute you know, it was like the minute the verdict came through was like people were already talking about the next police shooting You know, and it's like, it is, I did feel a moment of like, wow, maybe this now will be a signal. Even like, maybe this will be a signal to the cops themselves that like,

you're not gonna get away with it. And even that would be a somewhat of a relief. Like, maybe they'll think twice. You know, maybe, like to me, it's like, even if the fear, even if like, our justicism doesn't get better, I'd, maybe like to me, it's like even if the fear, even if like our justice system doesn't get better, I'd like the idea to be, well, cops now are more scared of like going to jail for doing murders and maybe that'll mean there's gonna be fewer murders because like they want self preservation is like their main goal anyhow. Like I just

think, but you know, you only get a moment, a brief moment, and then it's kind of back at it. Like we do have like, listen, it's one of many crazy problems in this country. I mean, we've had, like we literally had six mass shootings in a week or something here. Like I was listening to NPR and they said there was something like six mass shootings in a two week span, which is, I mean,

we got fucked up country. Like we got to do something. There's a problem here, you know? Like, we sponsored murders. Like, I just, there's no, and we just teach people, it's like, we're just teaching people to communicate with violence. Like there just is some weird thing that's happening in our society, in American society, that says, like, an okay form of communication with another person is to is to do violence to them

And I think like there's something really fundamentally broken about like the way we're raising our kids And the way that we're arranging our society and the way that we care about the people around us that is like Again, it could go one way it could go the other and not to not to bring us back down to the to the dark Fossil Sextals, but you know anyhow, but yes, yes, thank God for the verdict. I hope there are more verdicts like it, but I also hope there are fewer and fewer reasons

why there has to be a trial like that. That's what I really want more than anything. To that end, I wanted to say, you know, we're not experts on this and we're certainly not the voices most impacted by this, even if like I feel that as a queer person, I have a unique perspective on police violence. I do think that there are especially black voices that need to be heard to that end.

I wanted to say to pick up, if you're interested in this topic and you should be, because it is fascinating, and you might be sitting there being like, well, we need police, don't be ridiculous. And you might be disagreeing with me or abolition in general, but I would push you in the way that I have pushed some people on this part gets to buy other books to just trust me for a second and check out abolition democracy by Angela Davis or Another book that I read which was

What's it's called the end of policing by Alex Vitale These are about abolition and sort of why the criminal justice system is so corrupt and so poison and needs to be rethought truly from the bottom up, not just for Black America, but for everyone. And that we will really, truly see huge benefits if we move forward on these issues. So I would recommend picking up those books because this does not end with one cop getting 10 to 40 years in prison. This has to end with like no more murders that we pay for, you know? Yeah, and I would say, I would say,

it's funny I had a lengthy conversation with my dad about this and I think it's like, just like, you know, it's hard to see the roots of all this stuff. Like, it's really, when you start to talk about it, like in just sort of, like, we had a conversation, we were talking about, like, police violence. And I can't remember how we got on the topic, but I was sort of going through, like, the

historical, like, what is his story? I mean, I, and again, at the tier point, I am not in any way the foremost expert. I've just read some things and listened to some things and tried to, like, absorb. But you know, when you start talking about the historic structure of policing in America, it becomes really obvious where there are huge, a huge problems conceptually. I mean, you have it explained to you some basic tenets of how the justice system works,

and you're like, that's amazing, that's so great. And there are other things where you're like, what the fuck? Wait, what? That's how that works. Are you serious? And just a little bit of, I think just a little bit of understanding goes a long way

to go, well, okay, wait, I just, like, doesn't have to be this way. It doesn't have to be like this. Like, we think it has to be like that because you can't see the beginning point and you can't see how we got there. It's usually very easy to be like this. Like, we think it has to be like that because you can't see the beginning point and you can't see how we got there. It's usually very easy to be like, well, this is how it has to be because you've never

been presented with another way of it being. Yeah. And that's true for so many things in America. Gun control is a great example. There are so many countries where you can buy guns and use guns and people don't stop you. But because of the way they, the culture around the guns and the way they police the guns, they force flea market. I went to a flea market in Orlando where I was offered, I went to purchase a small pocket

knife so that I could do faster unboxings. And they had a full selection. And I was also offered a flame thrower and a machine gun. And I did not need to show ID or write anything down. I could have purchased a flame thrower and a full suit of armor within a tent in the middle of where they had to out. Just to know.

So you know, and it's I think, and I think that's the thing where, where if you go back and you go, okay wait, well like, does it have to be this way or you look at other places and you say, well, okay, they're doing it have to be this way? Are you look at other places and you say, well, okay, they're doing it, and they don't have, they're not dealing with the stuff that we're dealing with.

You just have to kind of, you gotta do a little bit of excavation, I think, in jet with any of these massive systemic issues that we keep talking about. Anyhow, all right, we should wrap up. I want to do a nice thing. Yeah, give us a nice thing. Oh my God, I'm trying to think,

there's just so much going on. Am I big nice thing right now is that? You're new keyboard? It's spring. Well, no, I do have a lot of great new keyboards, but it's spring time and we have a big yard and we've just purchased a huge amount of new plants. And Laura and I really like,

we love plants that kind of look like weird, like, not weeds exactly, but we're big fans of the kinds of plants that are not trying to assert their existence too much in the sense of like, they look like, they, like, will be like kind of these overgrown sort of big things, but they kind of look like they should be there. I don't know if that makes any sense. No, 100%. There's a lot of like, I think there's a lot of like British garden. I was going to say in the English garden. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not's a lot of like, I think there's a lot of like British gardening.

I was gonna say in this. In the English garden. Yeah, I don't know, I'm not an expert on it, but I think there's a lot of this kind of mentality. There's some people who like their gardens that are like really prim and proper, and they have like a little thing of flowers, and they have this like bush that's in a shape.

And like we're like, let this like, we're gonna plant some cool stuff, and we're just gonna let it grow. And like, we've been, like for instance, like we have a fence here where we've been working, we planted a bunch of honeysuckle, and I'm like, my dream is for this fence to just be overgrown in like trump Adviance and honey suckles and like you can start to see like it's been a couple of years now

And you can really start to see it like taking shape And so we just went to a nursery you bought like Hundreds of dollars worth of new plants and there was like a frost last night But like we're gonna plant them this weekend. I'm very excited There's there's there's I think something, I know this maybe just sounds like an old guy perspective. There is something truly satisfying about digging in the dirt and, and, and planting things and clearing things up, cleaning things and like watching things grow.

There's just something very magical about it. And also plants are fucking weird. I mean, if you've ever looked at plants or studied plants, studied flowers, like, they're just so bizarre. I mean, they sprouting new leaves. And it will like terrify you. It looks like something from like an alien movie. It is like so crazy.

Anyhow, so I'm in a big spring cleaning, spring planting mode right now. It's wonderful to get out of the house. We had a long winter. We had a lot of snow where we live. And so yeah, so that my nice thing is just like, getting out, planting, being in nature. This is like, it's such a great time of year.

We can finally like open the windows. It's like an incredible feeling to like be able to, I mean, especially after the year that we've just been through, to feel you can like, breathe the air again. Like for lots of different reasons, it's been very good. So yeah, that's my nice thing. It's planting get some plants plants some shit Get it. Hey, even if you've got an apartment get a pot put a plant in there. Watch it grow, you know

It's actually quite it's quite wonderful All right, that's it. We got to get out of here I will we will be back as you know, but Ryan Ryan's gonna go on to the knife Which I hate and I'm very worried about but I trusted he's made all the right decisions. And then when next time you hear from us, Ryan is going to be beautiful. Hemsworth status. He's gonna be like a new Hemsworth.

He's gonna be adopted into the Hemsworth family. That's your cup of tea. And we're gonna talk all about it. It's gonna be very exciting. Very good bye. Goodbye. Good bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We back soon with more tomorrow, and as always I wish you and your family the very best, though I understand that your family was targeted by the hunter killer, syringe drones, and

the drones missed.