Tomorrow - 243: Van Gogh's NFT collection

Episode Date: December 13, 2021

Happy belated... Hanukah? Thanksgiving? Or early Merry Christmas! On this episode of Tomorrow, Josh and Ryan are sick of cryptocurrencies and NFTs, love busting scams, and can build a manger. Yes, the...re's dunking on Elon Musk. There's always dunking on Elon Musk. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Joshua Tupulski. Today on the podcast we discuss Kises, Frunks, and Apes. I don't want to waste one moment. Let's get right good time. We're back Ryan. Hello. How was your Thanksgiving? Oh man. I mean just the level of thanks that I was that I gave and That were and that was given to me Just good just great. No, it's good. I had a good Thanksgiving. We had a big group here, you know I was like good. I was like can we personally be ground zero for an oh my cron Super spreader and I think we gave it our best shot.
Starting point is 00:01:06 No, we had like, you know, we had like 20 people, and my parents came, which is always a blast. And yeah, it was good. How was yours? It was fine. My family was out of town, so it was just me and John. But then my friends from high school came in and visited that weekend, so that was nice. I said, no, and it's a friend's giving, I believe.
Starting point is 00:01:29 I mean, I don't know, I'm not an expert. I've never had one of those. It was less of friends giving and more like, they went to the opera because they had tickets. And we went and saw House of Gucci and then we just got really drunk after. I heard House of Gucci sucks, is that true? The movie itself is, you know, a campy,
Starting point is 00:01:47 weird biopic with like, that goes on for too long. However, Lady Gaga is so fucking good in it that it's not too viable. I'm too terrible. I mean, I don't know the accent though, right? Am I right? But it's crazy. That woman has a strange accent.
Starting point is 00:02:02 If you look at videos of her and that woman they have the same accent It's just that it doesn't sound like an Italian accent to American ears well All right, I'll kill that she crushed it. I gotta take your word for it I feel like your opinion of her performance is tainted by your love for Lady Gaga So I I don't know if I can take I still have to read all the major reviewers I'm gonna do I'm going to you just save those to pocket right now. I'm ready for the sequel house of Pucci.
Starting point is 00:02:36 Oh, is that in the is that in the works? Is that happening? Um, now that I've said it, I think that, I don't know, Ridley Scott's very mad at people now for not liking his movies. Oh, yeah. He thinks that cell phones fault, even though that movie's number one at the box office for like three weeks.
Starting point is 00:02:57 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I just think it's possible he's making not great movies. You know, I think it's possible that Ridley Scott is not at the top of his game anymore. Right? Yeah. I mean, can we just admit that's possible? Can we just maybe give it a... But also, he's getting great reviews. It's just like, we're still in a pandemic and your movie marketing campaigns weren't that interesting, except for House of Gucci. Yeah, I mean, I think Ridley Scott... I just feel like, listen, I think a director
Starting point is 00:03:26 can say whatever they want about their audiences, relax thereof. I think it's also possible that people get, they lose some of their edge. Sometimes they're not all gonna hit. They're not all gonna hit. They're not all gonna hit. You know?
Starting point is 00:03:48 Yeah. Every career has a flop. It's fine. I mean, maybe, and maybe several at the same time. I mean, dude, release like four movies this year. It's just like very strange. Yeah. Maybe you're not in an Omikraniar.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Maybe slow it down. You know. Maybe just release one movie a year. Anyhow, so, right. Okay, how did we get on the Owieertim to the House of Gucci, because you went to see it? And I was saying that people didn't like it anyhow, but I'm probably not gonna watch it until it's available for free somewhere,
Starting point is 00:04:14 and then even then I may not. I will say, when I first saw the trailer, I was like, oh, I like what I'm seeing here. But then, just, I don't know if you're currently doing or not doing weed, but it is a perfect movie to be like stone to an enjoy. I'm doing I'm doing Delta eight I'm doing Delta eight which is like I'm buying Delta eight like legally all over New York But I can't and I do think it does do something It's definitely does it's definitely way it's way less potent than then regular weed
Starting point is 00:04:42 Which I think for me is probably a good thing. I actually bought this disposable like vape thing, vape pen, I guess is what they're known as, and it's like, it's stop working. I don't think it's out. I just think it's like bad, badly made. And I'm kind of pissed because it actually seemed pretty good to me. So I don't fuck around with disposable vapes. Yeah, yeah. It was definitely, although I will say this,
Starting point is 00:05:05 every vape device I've ever owned, weed or otherwise, like breaks. I mean, it's a very, it's a difficult little job for a tiny little pen to pull off. Like it is pulling off something that's like combustible chemistry with an oil in it. Like that's a lot for a machine to see. Well, I guess so, but then don't market your product to me if you're not prepared to I got to not break
Starting point is 00:05:29 while I'm You know while I'm puffing while you're paranoid well I'm puffing on your on your you know Sticky green, you know or whatever Your state your you know sticky-ickie or whatever people are referring to it as these days. I know if it's sticky, yucky, but whatever. It's like, it's like oily, oily, is what it is. And I'm loving it. And I'm fucking loving it.
Starting point is 00:05:54 Anyhow, it's like Delta eight, you know? But all this shit, I'm like, I'm buying it, you know, the local head shops slash cigar, cigar, vatarium. And I'm like, you know, I don't know what the fuck that I'm smoking actually. Is this, no, it's not FDA approved. It's not like, I mean, I literally bought
Starting point is 00:06:14 some like cigarettes, some like Delta 8 cigarettes. I mean, it looked like, they look like exactly like cigarettes, okay? And they smell great, not like clove level, but they have a nice kind of smell, because like we'd often actually smells really nice. And they do seem to get me a bit high, but maybe it's just because I'm inhaling smoke.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Like I don't know, I don't really know what it is. You might just be smoking. I might just be having a cigarette. A company called Cool, I don't know, if you've heard of them or not they were in the they were in the you know the delta eight section so i just grabbed a few uh... but you have actually like getting high on nicotine uh... which is which is also a way to two uh...
Starting point is 00:06:56 that's a lot of back that you know i'll say the drug situation is uh... is not a lot of great drugs out there these days you know i think we have to come up with some new drugs. As Huey Lewis famously said, I want a new drug. Okay. It's a little throwback to Huey Lewis and the news. A man way ahead of his time.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Any heart, what's going on in the news this week? Let's, enough of this preamble. Tony's getting tired. Tony's getting sleepy.i's had too much turkey he's still working on his leftovers and he's falling asleep while we're talking about delta eight despite popping on some delta eight i am confused about one of these stories and i know it would like you to explain
Starting point is 00:07:38 it's a great i hope it's good it's the new york times reporter story where there was that New York Times reporter exploiting musicians. Yes. Well, yes, we had a story on input about what are you confused about? Can you tell me? Ian Urbina is the name of his reporting to deals. It's kind of like, it's an interesting story. It's basically this, if you haven't read it, you should go check it out. It's basically like a, this guy who was a New York Times reporter or journalist of some caliber
Starting point is 00:08:19 was like emailing people from his New York Times account going, hey, do you, I'm working on these projects, they're gonna be really cool, we're talking to Spotify, we're talking to YouTube, whatever. And he's like, do you want, I love your music, I would you love to be, I'd love for you to be a part of it. And he was signing them to these deals, and then like turning around and collecting royalties
Starting point is 00:08:42 on their music, and also like republishing the stuff under, like his own Spotify account and like attaching himself as like a co-artist to the pieces. And just like basically like collecting, and it was almost like, it's almost like a traditional music publishing deal where Somebody comes to an artist and they're like hey
Starting point is 00:09:09 You know we You know we want to collect your royalties will take a cut of it for doing all of the leg work We'll help to place your music in different things like movies or commercials or you know on compilations or whatever This is a very traditional type of thing that happens with artists, especially ones who've been, or somewhat established. But what he was doing was like, I'm gonna use this in like some work that I'm creating, which presumably was, I think people were like, making the assumption not surprisingly,
Starting point is 00:09:41 that it would be maybe a New York Times related thing, he was telling them all of this cool stuff about these projects and how this is all this interest. And then was actually just turning around and kind of like just making money off of it. Evil. Yeah, I mean, I think it's, you can attribute it to. I of course, I'm not gonna,
Starting point is 00:10:00 I don't wanna put words to anybody's mouth, but I think you can make a, I think there's an open question as to, you know, was it evil, was he doing it on purpose? Was he like, oh, I could do this also and maybe didn't realize the implications. I mean, if you give them the benefit of the doubt, which like, I'm not, I personally am, you know, I feel like you could give him the benefit
Starting point is 00:10:29 of the doubt. I'm not saying you should, but I'm saying you could. Then maybe it was like a legitimate like, hey, I saw an opportunity and I didn't realize the implications of it or whatever. It does seem a little bit like, I mean, to have fun to like money from someone else's Spotify payouts, you kind of know what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:10:45 Well, I think if you're like, hey, I want to create a, I'm going to create a podcast and it's going to be, we're going to use your music in it and you're going to be featured and you're going to get a lot of attention. It was one of those things where it's like, you'll get a lot of attention for doing this. So like, you give me the rights to this stuff and I'm going to help you like, get rich and famous, basically, you know, roughly, or get your stuff more exposure. And then it was like, Oh, actually, it's New York Times account to prove that. And then there's no podcast, but it's like on a Spotify page,
Starting point is 00:11:11 he has a bunch of followers on his Spotify page or subscribers, and he's like, just like, oh yeah, this is a piece by Ian, Ian Urbana, or Ian Urbina, and so and so. You know, it's odd, It's a very odd situation. And he has since apologized. I think there's an update in the post. Yeah, he's used, like, I'm really sorry.
Starting point is 00:11:31 I had a subcontractor who was unprofessional and it's like, just, that's not what happened. It's like, all right, I mean, sure. I mean, maybe, you never know, but, it's isn't your kitchen. I like that. You knew what was going on. You're like, I had a, I subcontracted the spicing
Starting point is 00:11:49 of the, of the lasagna and unfortunately, he put cyanide in there, which I was surprised to discover and I do apologize for all of the people who died eating my lasagna. I did not alert the authorities when they died because I thought that that's what they wanted out of the deal uh... yes we assume that people knew they be indeed a little on you and therefore
Starting point is 00:12:12 no yet i mean i don't think it rises to the level of the murder anything but i do think it's like kind of a kind of a shady shady thing can we talk about so anyhow you should read the story to great story it's on input mag dot com you check it out great website full of great people and great stories Can we talk a little bit about this fucking metaverse shit? I tweeted about it Last night maybe before I went to bed. I don't know. I you know, it's all blur to me
Starting point is 00:12:37 But like the newer times has some article. I don't want to I don't want to just your times really not fairing well on this episode of tomorrow They had this where is it? I want to find it. It's like, people get married in the metaverse. Like this fucking, I'm sorry. I'm sorry First off like has the New York is the New York Times in break re-embracing. It's like complete fucking boomer aesthetic here because It's like 2004. This is such like a I mean, this is such a like it's in the style section and it's under fashion, which is like okay, but Yeah, it's definitely written by somebody who does no fucking idea what they're talking about the Yeah, it's definitely written by somebody who does no fucking idea what they're talking about. The God, it's so sad and whack and stupid. But I just want to say first off, the New York Times has this history of doing these pieces
Starting point is 00:13:36 that are like, I'm sure I've talked about them before. They're like these, they still use paper calendars. It's like that, okay? It's like, yeah. It's like these, and they're always, they used to be, now the style section got really good for a while because Corey Sica was running it, formerly of Gauker and the All, and he's a genius and is great.
Starting point is 00:13:56 And so, like, it got really interesting and fun for a while. And then he left, and now it's like, maybe this is not from the style section, but it definitely has reverted back to, but it was always in the style section where it was like, meet the people who won't use digital calendars, maybe this is not from the style section, but it definitely has reverted it back to, but it was always in the style section where it was like, meet the people who won't use digital calendars. This is literally, this is actually a story they did.
Starting point is 00:14:10 So I remember it because I was like, this is so dumb. It's the, isn't there a fun novelty story that this even exists to remember when we, we didn't even know about digital calendars? Now it's so funny that these people use regular calend yeah and it's like this isn't reporting anything interesting because yeah lots of people still do things in alternative ways john organizes his to do list on post it i'm sure most people use a notes app on their phone or the reminders i mean it's just like yeah so so yes exactly it's like um not a remarkable thing to use a post well and also and also often it feels like the New York Times
Starting point is 00:14:46 becomes aware of a thing. Now, they have obviously covered the metaverse, the metaverse, which is not a thing. It's not an actual thing. It is a word used. It's VR. It's the same thing we were saying. Calling VR.
Starting point is 00:15:00 I mean, you could Facebook needed to be distracted from its many crimes. You could, you could, you could like, call out other things that might be, might be a metaverse related technology or experience or whatever, but let me just be, I wanna really clarify this point. The metaverse is a word that has been introduced
Starting point is 00:15:27 into the lexicon largely by Mark Zuckerberg, okay? Largely pushed by Facebook, Metta, and Mark Zuckerberg as a marketing scheme to talk about products that don't really have huge adoption, aren't the center of their business and have nothing to do with Facebook actually does, which is sell your data to advertisers, to give to advertisers to make money off of you,
Starting point is 00:15:52 and manipulate democracies. And like, I think one is the first problem I have, is that anybody anywhere is with a straight face saying the word metaverse, like it is a fucking thing, I'm telling you, as a complete fucking nerd from hell, it is not a thing. It is certainly not a thing that Facebook is in charge of or has control over. By the way, this article is not about a Facebook thing.
Starting point is 00:16:20 It's about some fucking app called Verbella or something which is which is just some You know half-baked knockoff of second life or whatever which it should be clear and I think second life still exists And this is like this shit in like 19 No, not that long ago, but like in 2005 there was an article about in fact I bet I can find it. I'm just gonna Google it right now. Second life wedding. I bet the New York Times wrote about it. Second life wedding. New York. This is me typing microphones in front of my keyboard. So it's very hard.
Starting point is 00:16:57 Okay, is this it? Nope. I'm sure it's in there somewhere, but at any rate, second life, this has been going on in places like second life, which is like a metaverse for like 20 years. There's a bunch of nerds that are into it. And anyhow, the point is, I just can't believe we're letting Mark Zuckerberg
Starting point is 00:17:20 make this word out of nothing. But this is my distraction, there goes. This is my central complaint is that they're just like writing articles based on a conception of a thing that doesn't exist. And they're like, well, I mean, maybe I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. In the best case scenario, in my opinion, the editors at the New York Times are like, here you go, the metaverse is getting a lot of Google traffic.
Starting point is 00:17:51 A lot of people are searching for metaverse stuff. People are wondering what's going on with the metaverse. Can we create some articles that are like about? Because this happens, people are like, hey, everybody's searching for the iPhone 13. We should do an iPhone 13 X or Z or whatever, like thing, right? So maybe in the best case scenario some desperate editors that New York Times are like we got to get some
Starting point is 00:18:10 Metaverse content on the site because people are googling it We don't have any content because that's how all content works on the internet now is just whatever people are googling becomes a Story on the New York Times and that's what this is, but maybe It might also just be them going like, oh, the Metaverse, that's the thing we should do. We should cover that exactly how it's been discussed by Mark Zuckerberg and like they're just writing
Starting point is 00:18:32 these fucking thumb articles with stories that are completely uninteresting, not novel, not new, not actually a metaverse, whatever the idea of it is, not metaverse related. Like not even really reporting, it's just getting quotes from people. And it's like under fashion to maybe, you know, again, but it's like, I'm sorry,
Starting point is 00:18:55 it's not an excuse that it's like, it's in your fashion section, so it's dumb. Like that's not a good, I don't think that the vibe here should be, well, the fashion writers don't know anything about what's going on in reality, so we'll let them write dumb stories that are completely disconnected from like reporting. Like, you know, maybe if that's how you want to run it, cool. Like, if that's your, if your thing is like, I don't care about facts and information if it's in the fashion section, like, okay, have at it.
Starting point is 00:19:23 But I do think it's like, this is all stuff that is not really a story. And if it is a story, it's like, they're trying to make this a thing, but it's been going on for a long time. And like, I don't really feel like the New York Times is doing that. In fact, second life mentioned zero times in this article. Okay?
Starting point is 00:19:44 I mean, do people get married in fucking world of work craft. Is that mentioned world of, now the work craft is the metaverse, not mentioned in this community. It's much closer to a real metaverse than this shit is, than Verbella, and whatever. Not to diss, you know, I'm sure they have a wonderful product and you know, the,
Starting point is 00:20:01 anyone can make a PlayStation 1 environment and then stick people in it and have their microphones transmit the call. I mean, the graphics are also so bad at this. Like, it's so bad. I mean, it's like, it's really sad. It's like, get the fuck out of my face. Anyhow, even the quests graphics,
Starting point is 00:20:14 I'm like, sometimes I'm, I mean, I use a lot of computer VR, but on like the dedicated quest to itself, the graphics are not, we're not, yeah. I'm not saying it's not'm not fucking, I'm not gonna die for a con on a 3090, you know what I'm saying? Like, the anyhow, I just like, I'm personally offended and annoyed
Starting point is 00:20:34 because I think this is so dumb and so poorly reported and so like buying, drinking, whatever, dumb, cool aid, and it's like, I'm sorry, again, if your excuse is, it's in the fashion section then like I think your fashion section sucks okay. It's also not a good fashion story I don't even know why it is it's like fucking nonsense. Anyhow so I wanted to vent about that and I wanted to say I truly believe on so many levels that we are going through such a weird, bad bubble moment in technology.
Starting point is 00:21:09 Oh, crypto between crypto and the metaverse. We're reigning towards a complete, like the cover of Newsweek or whatever. Oh, no, this is pet.com. This is pet.com. I mean, we are in pet.com territory. Yeah. The cover of the New Yorker is going to be just like Silicon Valley burning down because we're like, yeah yeah things are bad. We are we are testing people's faith in the only growth
Starting point is 00:21:29 sector of our economy. I think I think that we up in a huge huge part of this is obviously COVID and I do think I do think the COVID the presence of COVID in our lives for two years, basically two years now, right? I mean, we were, we came back from CES 2020 in January, and then like a month later, everybody had COVID. A month later, we were in like a lot, two months later, we were like in a full lockdown. The, the, the COVID has fucked up people's brains, okay? And it's fucked up commerce and it's fucked up, like reality for people. And I did.
Starting point is 00:22:10 It is literally fucked up finance. No, it has, and it's fucked up finance. And like, this is, like, we're just in a place where there is so much, there's so much time and attention that has been altered by being stuck in your house looking at the internet. You know, and we talked about this before. I have lost my connection with what time means. Like to me, my perception of time is completely different than it is today.
Starting point is 00:22:35 Yeah, so many mentioned last time I was talking to people and they were like, yeah, 2020 seemed like the longest you're ever in 2021 seems like it was a week. And I agree that I have no, it's hard to believe that it is November, sorry, December. Let's see. There you go. No, it's hard to believe that it's December. I'm like, what?
Starting point is 00:22:51 This fucking year is over. And I know. And I think partially because, you know, I've actually been reading, you know, Craig Modd, Craig Modd, he's like a writer and a photographer. And just like a weird internet guy. He does. He did a book called Kisa by Kisa, which is he does this thing called special projects and it's like a book of photos and writing
Starting point is 00:23:16 About he lives in Japan and he went he's like doing these walking tours of Japan where he'll walk from like This point to this point in these like through these weird little towns and and sort of off like not like he's not in Tokyo he's not in Osaka like he's walking in these small villages and through these small older towns and stuff and he's just kind of documenting at kisa is I didn't know this it's like the opposite of how to with John Wilson uh yeah it's very it's very like, well, so Akisa is this type of cafe in Japan. I didn't know this. That is like, it's sort of like a diner, but not quite. It's like almost like a breakfast spot, but it's a very specific Japanese post-war style
Starting point is 00:23:58 of small restaurant. They have a certain limited number of things. I've seen it in Persona as fucked up as that number of things. I've seen it in persona as fucked up as that is. Yeah, I've seen it in persona. No, exactly. So it is like, and they're kind of a dying, sort of a dying type of thing in Japan. And so his walks are kind of like he's talking about walking and he's going like, he's visiting these quices in each town.
Starting point is 00:24:21 And I was like, oh, quesad by quesad, this makes sense. And I maybe mispronounced, maybe it's kisa, I don't know, but it's KISSA. KISSA. And he's talking about how, if you really want to know a place, excuse me. He's saying about how if you really want to know a place, walking it is like you're confronted with it very physically, and there's no, no intermediary between you
Starting point is 00:24:48 in that physical location. And he talks about walking through these towns and the people he meets and the key says that he goes into and the conversations he has. It's people watching plus hiking. Yeah, and the fact that you're literally navigating the actual geographic terrain of this place. And I think, and I think, and it got me thinking,
Starting point is 00:25:07 and we've also, Lauren, I have been watching, we just finished the Beatles documentary, The Peter Jackson thing, which is, you know, get back, which they took 90 hours of footage, just of them, just working on music, really, more than anything, you know, which is to me very familiar, because it's a very like,
Starting point is 00:25:23 most of it's in like a studio of some form or another. But but but in thinking about both of those things, what I see and you know, what is true is this like these physical, these like very palpable physical interactions are the value of them, you know, and I don't just mean like, oh, it's so nice to see people in person or whatever, but the value of having to navigate and spend time navigating conversations or places or confrontations in a real space has an impact on us.
Starting point is 00:26:02 It, our impact, we are impacted by that as human beings in a way that nothing in a virtual space or a digital space can replicate and I mean this included but not limited to any idea you have of the metaverse and In fact like gocker had a really funny story It was like right after you know Zuckerberg changed the name of Facebook and it's like things you can't do in the metaverse And there's all these like it's funny, but it is also obviously Gokers very funny, what it writes about this shit, but it's also true that there are like these little things
Starting point is 00:26:30 that no matter how great the metaverse gets, there's types of navigations and interactions as a human being that you do in a physical space with other people that is, you really can't, unless you literally are fucking in a full body haptic feedback suit on a fucking 360 treadmill. And in a situation that is absolutely not possible at this point and won't be for a very long time.
Starting point is 00:26:52 And even then, why else are you impracted off? And even then, you don't have to have dirt in the metaverse. You don't have to clean off a wet seat at a diner in the metaverse. My guess is, in the metaverse, I mean, you know what I'm talking about? They always wipe down the seats at a diner. You go in, you're like, oh, the seats wet. You gotta like get a napkin to wipe it down before you sit down. That is such a fucking
Starting point is 00:27:11 weird thing, but it is the kind of detail of life, of the navigation of physical, our physical surroundings, that one takes time that is like a weird, funny thing that you have to navigate and that would be deleted from a metaverse situation because they're like, well, why would the seed ever be wet? And it's like, that is all of life. That is all of life. And the more we spend time in this like sheen of performance of the internet,
Starting point is 00:27:35 and by the way, again, I always say this as a big fan of the internet, the perhaps the biggest fan of the internet, you know, it's like the more we lose, there's just we're losing so much that is important about like what life is, what life really is. And so all this shit with like the metaverse and crypto and, you know, the way we're communicating with each other, like the polarized politics stuff, all of this is a symptom of not having to navigate like life. And I do think, like I do think like I hope, I do am hoping for this period post COVID,
Starting point is 00:28:15 where we really are like, hey, like COVID, you don't have to be scared of this anymore. Like you can go out and do normal things and not have to think about it. You know, we got a pill, if you get sick, take this pill the next day you're fine, right? Which I'm sure is gonna happen at some point. Similarly and alternatively, I'd like to talk
Starting point is 00:28:36 about something else which is. Well, we can. Oh my gosh, what? What's happening? Oh no. I was so shocked to find out that we can. Oh. I was like, how's it?
Starting point is 00:28:46 So you just built like hot coffee on your lap. Sorry about acting. It's so, you're an incredible talent, incredible. But any of my point is like, watch your ass, Chris. Yeah, watch out, Lady Gaga. Any of my point, just to recap off that point, is like, I think, you know, we got to get back to something else. Something different. I don't want to, I don't, I don't think
Starting point is 00:29:07 we should keep living in this manner. And I think like letting Mark Zuckerberg dictate the narrative is fucking stupid. And we should be very wary. We should all stop using the word metaversa despite him. And then we'll stop. It will also stop the like bad coverage narratives that have been jammed down our throat because there's a novelty buzz word. There's space to be colonized on the Google search page for Metaverse. We should stop like letting that wag the dog. Yes.
Starting point is 00:29:37 Anyway, alternatively, but also on a similar topic. I want to talk about, I am very angry and upset. Ubisoft is launching NFTs on its mobile app for in-game items that they would like to eventually be interoperable between games that are like clothing or skins or whatever, regular DLC stuff you can normally buy. And they would like to make them NFTs. Currently they're not charging for them, but obviously the goal is to have some kind of marketplace or whatever.
Starting point is 00:30:11 And auctions and like, you know, just extort as much money out of people as possible beyond DLCs and loot boxes. And I'm very upset about it. and I do believe it ties in because I hate this quote-unquote web 3, which fuck that. I hate this entire trend of crypto being like, the new internet is scarcity. Because we just got to the point where like, information was quote-unquote free. Everyone can get YouTube. Like, you know, even just via piracy, all all of the the library of aliexandria is open to everyone you know what i mean and now we're in this space where we're like actually we're gonna make artificial scarcity that doesn't and it doesn't
Starting point is 00:30:53 have any features other than decentralized ag it doesn't have any it doesn't offer any new experiences it's nothing added up to the experience uh... but it is completely unregulated on the capital i said i mean we're it's it's this it's this, it's this, I mean, the whole NFT thing. We're taking the worst parts of reality
Starting point is 00:31:11 and shoving it into the internet and then cleansing the internet of anything that was naturally good about the internet. I mean, I mean, we've talked about this before a relation to Oreo cookies, but I will say the, the whole NFT thing works, works, when the actual things you're creating have value, real value, not like we will make it this fall scarcity.
Starting point is 00:31:38 It's fine how it's a deed to a real house. And no, I mean, we go to your perspective. That is a useful technology. It's fine when you are a legitimate, when there's a legitimate, you know, an artist creating a desirable piece of art and you can actually make it, you actually make it a,
Starting point is 00:32:02 it is truly scarce, right? And there's a few ways to do that. 99% of what's happening in NFTs is truly scarce, right? And there's a few ways to do that. 99% of what's happening in NFTs is not that, but beyond that, you know, it's funny because this is an extension of what's been happened with like Nike shoe drops forever, which is Nike could produce if they wanted to, as many pairs of whatever shoe as they want, right?
Starting point is 00:32:24 There's no real reason. And I'm not saying they should. I'm saying, I get why sometimes you do something in limited quantities, and I get why sometimes things are mass-market, and sometimes you do limited quantities at first to test the market, and then you go wider market. Like the impossible whopper, I think, did, you know, it's like, let's try in a few markets,
Starting point is 00:32:41 and if it works, we'll do it in more. Totally bad. And then get it on a limited, like, halo brand situation where it's like, well, you can't get the Kelly bag. It's the iconic bag that's really hard to get and it costs $50,000. And it's like, you know, it's a status symbol. But you can walk into those stores and buy almost anything else. But a bag, but a bag, but a bag, if it's a, I mean, let's just say it's a luxury brand bag, okay? There is, if there's legitimately a physical barrier to
Starting point is 00:33:06 producing this, you know, if they're handmade for instance, which they should be, and often are. Now there, there's a limited amount of those things that you can actually make in a time frame. And so, their scarcity is driven by like the actual dynamics of their physical, you know, reality of the product. Like, you cannot make enough of those fucking like the actual dynamics of their physical reality of the product. Like, you cannot make enough of those fucking bags by hand because you'd need an inordinate amount of a crazy amount of people doing it
Starting point is 00:33:35 and the company's not gonna be able to afford that and blah, blah, blah, blah, the optics, sorry, the economics of it don't work, okay? But companies creating virtual scarcity just because like, I mean, it's so much worse than Nike making a shoe in limited quantities, which is like I can understand, you maybe like have a factory where people make shoes, okay?
Starting point is 00:33:57 And you have to make a certain number of shoes of a certain variety, a certain style. And like you can break that factory out, you can break out some part of it to do some other thing. But maybe in the grand scheme of things, you actually, I could entertain a description of this, of how you really can't do an endless amount of whatever shoe Nike wants to make. Okay? Fine. I believe that there may be a real world reason for the scarcity. I also believe there may be an artist or designer's reason to say, I don't want a lot of these in the world. I also believe there may be an artist or designer's reason to say, I don't want a lot of these in the world. I only want to make a few of them. I don't want them to be
Starting point is 00:34:29 on everybody's feet. That's like a decision I'm making. But what we're doing with NFTs is the market is being flooded with what is essentially no value, no value, completely reproducible at no cost crap. Well, even so, like, let's say, forget about the reproducibility for a second. Forget about the fact you can copy, paste, or whatever, and forget about the fact that, like, but I mean, like, the no artist is gonna step in
Starting point is 00:34:54 and be like upset that you, like, like the DLC for armor is not an artistic creation. Right, no. Made with the intent of only one person has it, and that's a statement. I mean, what would be, what would be amazing is if you could in a universe and maybe they're doing this in a universe of like a
Starting point is 00:35:10 Non-line game. I mean, I suppose this exists, right? Like there's some armor in like world of warcraft that has properties that are Superior to others and there aren't there isn't like an infinite amount of that armor available, right? Does that exist? I mean, maybe it should exist. I could actually see like a really cool thing being like, there is a market in this like competitive game for something that is unique. That like even in the universe of the game, it's actually a really cool idea.
Starting point is 00:35:38 Like this was forged, it's the fucking ring in Lord of the Rings, you know, it's like, this was forged, eons ago, and there's only one of them. Like that'd be fucking wild, right? But it's like this was forged eons ago and there's only one of them like that be fucking wild right but it's like it's less about that being in the context of the game or anything else and more about um you know hey like if these are if we say these are scares uh people will you know want them and then we can like people will spend a money on them and then we can make a bunch of we can make a bunch of money on this thing
Starting point is 00:36:05 that scares, and, I don't know, it's bullshit. This is, but again, it goes back to this whole thing where we're like running out of things to occupy our time with. And now like, I was just talking to somebody last night in our on our sales team, who was like, oh yeah, my boyfriend is like buying NFTs and then flipping them and it's like,
Starting point is 00:36:24 this is not good for the world. It is not good that we have created a market of meaningless bullshit that people are buying and flipping like they did during the housing crisis of, you know, whatever, 20 years ago or 15 years ago or whatever it was. It's like, it's like, this is very bad for us. It is not going to end well. There is not real value being created, but for a very small group of extremely rich people who already have billions of dollars, who are the people who either control those companies
Starting point is 00:36:54 or invest in them, just to be very clear. Mark Andreessen is gonna make a fucking shitload of money off of your NFTs. You are in all likelihood not going to make anything, and that is exactly how the fucking game has been designed. Ubisoft will make a bunch of money off of your nfts you are in all likelihood not going to make anything and that is exactly how the fucking game has been designed uby soft will make a bunch of money off of it you are probably not going to that is how the game has been designed and like if you understand what people don't
Starting point is 00:37:13 understand about like unregulated financial systems unregulated markets are going to exploit you we have done this so many times you know we keep deregulating the american economy we. We've tried deregulated economies throughout history and we have seen what has happened when there are no ground rules and no protections for you, the small player who is being sold the dream. We've seen what happens. And this is an argument for a technology that like the idea that we are arguing to create a completely new financial system with no rules and a completely new landscape and
Starting point is 00:37:48 that it's going to probably be great for everyone is insane yeah that's an insane thing to say i think there's i think there's some legitimate places where government doesn't know what you're doing well money that i think there's like i think with with with crypto i mean you know the thing about it with what has value is that i mean, you know, the thing about what has value is that, I mean, you know, what has value? You know, why is gold valuable?
Starting point is 00:38:11 I mean, I can, obviously there are reasons, right? There are reasons why like raw materials are valuable in certain ways, like you could actually be like, why is copper valuable? You could be like, why is copper valuable? I can actually explain the value of copper as a physical good that does things, right? That you can't do with aluminum or whatever.
Starting point is 00:38:28 You can't do it with fucking rocks. Or, you know, I mean, you can't do it with gold. There's things that copper does better and for a reason, like specifically, right? I can tell you why like lithium has a value. This is not true of DLC armor. But to be clear, currency, like, we create currency. It's backed by different things. And at some point, you're kind of, you know, to be clear, currency, we create currency, it's backed by different things. And at some point, in our world, currency
Starting point is 00:38:49 has left the platform. It's like, there's only single piece of gold somewhere for every dime of currency that is in circulation. Okay. There are things that are basically made up ideas that we consider valuable and we back them. We use them as backing for currency. But the great thing the great thing about the currency is that because the government says that it is worth whatever amount of money, they can enforce that through taxes.
Starting point is 00:39:11 Like currency. The currency will always have value because you have to pay your taxes at the end of the year. I mean, government back currencies do collapse. I mean, government's collapse and their currency goes with it. I mean, the euro, you know, was not, did not exist. And then people, you know, people had their own currency and then they're like, hey, we're all gonna use the euro.
Starting point is 00:39:28 And that should happen. Things do evolve in the world of currency. I will say, I will say there are a few, a handful of things I believe are just now at this point where we've reached like a kind of a critical massacke. I think Bitcoin as a concept, the amount of money that is in it now, that is like just circulating through
Starting point is 00:39:46 it, I think it's easy to imagine that that will be something that is an ongoing currency and a commodity that people are trading on. I can see that happening. I think it's gotten to a point and there's enough circulating money back in it. But I think there's a lot of other things, way, way, way, way below Bitcoin. And even some not that far below Bitcoin, there's, it's questionable, very questionable.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Like, I think we do this a lot in technology where, you know, in the early days, I think phones are a good example. And remember, this is kind of a technology conversation we're having. Totally. In the early days of phones, everybody had a phone idea. Maybe Paul was gonna do it.
Starting point is 00:40:35 Maybe Apple wasn't gonna be the blackberries. Like we got the best idea. F***ing Nokia had Symbian or whatever. I mean, there were all these different things that you can't even see. There's a window, we went into Windows Mobile, which turned into Windows Phone or whatever. And there are all these ideas, you know. And the through line was, can one of these things break through above these, what seem to be the, that are going to be the
Starting point is 00:40:57 sort of like, the main stays. You know, and just like everything, you whittle them down and whittle them down and whittle them down until you end up with one or two. And what we ended up with is Android and iOS, Android and iPhones. And that is it. And it'll be a while before. Now, now everybody's sitting out, Facebook thinks they're in a battle about the metaverse and VR, we're not even close to starting that, that battle. We're not even close on that.
Starting point is 00:41:22 But with like cryptocurrency, or let's just say new forms of commodities, new forms of like tradable currency related items, there's a million, there's a billion of them right now. There's all this shit beneath Bitcoin. There's all these NFTs on their own blockchains that aren't on, they're not, it's not like the fucking NFT you're buying is backed by Bitcoin or something, okay? That's not how it works, right? Like, there is separate entity,
Starting point is 00:41:53 and the money is play money. A lot of this is play money right now. And how do they sustain value over time? Is it just scarcity in market demand? Scarcity in market demand for fucking art of an ape? I'm sorry, but some of these things, most of them are going to lose value or be inert as an item that could be ascribed value. Any photo is more valuable if people can see it, then it is, unless it's a completely artistic statement made by an artist who is like,
Starting point is 00:42:25 and then the art itself is being broadcast to a specific audience. Any photo is better off being like, it's better off, in my opinion, it is better off just like being a free fucking commodity on the internet. In so far as you could sell the rights to that photo before NFTs. We don't need a decentralized database and the amount of processing power, also just the amount of effort that we're going to go to to create this market and the amount of exploitation that it opens up, rather than just using the money that we've settled on as being, it's wild to me. It's so stupid. It is such a bad idea, it is gonna end so poorly.
Starting point is 00:43:06 And to watch people just line up because they believe it to be inevitable because they believe anything tech companies tell them is a good idea and inevitable. Where, I mean, this is the, when I talk to people, smart people who have money, those two by the way aren't always connected, but there's a lot of people,
Starting point is 00:43:33 a lot of people who are like, this is bullshit, this is a scam, these are not sustainable. And I don't think it's just a matter of force of will, okay? I don't think, now part of this, part of will. Okay, I don't think it, now part of crypto generally and part of like this whole moment is how much can the rich people convince other people that a thing they want to have be real because it's valuable to them
Starting point is 00:43:55 and makes them a lot of money can be real. Sometimes that's possible, sometimes it isn't. Now, where NFTs run into trouble and into some extent where like think Bitcoin runs into trouble, is it has to exist in a market based around very historic ideas of what is currency, what is a commodity, what is valuable, what is not. And people made $69 million on a fucking, on an NFT or whatever it was.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Like, do we think that people's art is as important historically and in the long run as like fucking van Gogh? Do we really believe that we're going to be able to resale a piece of code that like is quote unquote unique for $69 million in 10 years? Do we really think that that piece of code that is quote unquote unique for $69 million in 10 years. Do we really think that that piece of code is going to appreciate and value to the point that someone's like, not only can I already see this piece of art, but I would like to own it.
Starting point is 00:44:56 That will enhance my experience of it. And I need to pay almost $70 million outside of this bubble. Like that's not realistic That's not a thing the society does not need we do not have such a crushing need for a piece of code that says we own Something that's accessible to everyone on earth already. It's bizarre It is bizarre to me and the people that are arguing for it I get are really excited because they love art and they're like people are making all these kinds of art And they're also really excited because they see that other people
Starting point is 00:45:27 are made a ton of money and they're like, what if my dreams come true? And I hate to tell you, those dreams that came true for the person who, for people is at the expense of someone else who they scammed. And because these are not real things that you need to be investing into and these are not real things that will appreciate and value I do not believe these are not These are artificially scarce things and it's insane to me that anyone would jump in with two feet and yet and yet It's the same group of people that are like MMMs are for idiots. Yeah. I mean listen listen
Starting point is 00:46:02 People are very confused right now. They're very scared They're very worried. And they have a bunch of extra money laying around. They don't know what to do with. They're like, I should become an investor at FTs. And like, you know, it's, most of you will lose your mind. 14% of this country is food insecure. I just feel like that's important.
Starting point is 00:46:19 No, I mean, okay, but that's, but that's, certainly you can't blame the individual, you know, dude, who's like, I'm gonna blame in a Travel I've traveled anymore. So I got like an extra $5,000 lane around what should I do? I think our economic system can be to blame for that. Oh, yeah, no, I am making it worse with their voting with their fiat Currency I agree, I agree, but you can't blame you cannot blame the average Citizen for the for the sins of their government. I think you you know, of course You can you can certainly blame hold them responsible for not trying to change it, but But I will say I think
Starting point is 00:46:54 You know, I see a lot of get rich quick schemes out in the fucking marketplace right now These things do you typically do not pan out? They typically do not pan out And I think you're gonna end up with in a couple of. There's a lot of people holding a lot of worthless fucking dumb pictures that they were like, but this is special. I mean, literally even the way that they're being distributed and created is not even like does not even commit to the core ideas of like cryptocurrency and blockchains. Like, these are not even, they're not even really on a blockchain the way you understand it, the way that like, and people are not even buying like,
Starting point is 00:47:32 the rights to this thing. They're buying like, a version of an image of it, right? Like, it's on one blockchain, on a, on, which is, that's not like a pistol, which isn't even like, which isn't even a, necessarily sustainable thing
Starting point is 00:47:45 that couldn't just go away. Like, yeah, it's crazy. I do understand buying game stop. You learn going insane. I get buying game stop a lot more than I get buying this. I mean, too. That's on the fucking stock market. It's a business.
Starting point is 00:47:59 People walk into it. They have physical stores, okay? But also the bet that that that that that that that GameStop could actually be a sustainable business or the bet that like AMC theaters would come back. That's a rational bet to make even if it seems unlike 100% 100% real that's a real idea. That's a real idea based in like market the marketplace the marketplace dynamics and reality. Like, you're not, it's not like, hey, maybe someone will ascribe value to this thing
Starting point is 00:48:28 because other people ascribe value to it. Like, that's your, that's your, like, is the art so good? It's a confidence game. It's a confidence. It's a, it's a fucking swindle. By the way, I'm like, I think there could be, there is a potential way that, you know,
Starting point is 00:48:44 NFTs could be very interesting and useful and valuable. I don't think. Smart contracts and decentralized smart contracts have a use. It's that we immediately used the worst version of it at scale to trick a bunch of people. Even finding a real way to create scarcity of an artist artist's work, I think in the digital realm is a very exciting idea because it has never really been able to be pulled off. I mean, it's very hard to create scarcity in a world where... I don't want to live in a world with artificial scarcity. I'm fine.
Starting point is 00:49:19 If you go, I mean, don't create artificial, it's not artificial scarcity. What I'm saying is when a painter paints, when they go to a canvas and they put the brush strokes down, by design, there's only one. There cannot be another one. The Van Gogh brush stroke is valuable because at one time, in one place,
Starting point is 00:49:38 this person who over a long period of time has been considered a master of this particular craft. Did something one time that can never be replicated anywhere else? You cannot, you can make a print of it. You can make a fucking copy of it. You can have the greatest forger in the world to placate what he or she may believe the brushstrokes are. But those particular, that fucking brush hitting that canvas with that paint, with that pigment will never again happen. You cannot create it in any other way.
Starting point is 00:50:11 And therefore, the value of owning that single thing, I get chills just thinking about the idea. To me, there is something so wildly exciting that like this thing happened in a moment in time. And you could not physically have ever have access to it, but for one way, which is to purchase that thing that was created. And like there is one of them. And only very rich people now could afford to get it,
Starting point is 00:50:37 which is like kind of understandable. Because like, it's like a master craftsman at the peak of their powers doing something that will only ever happen one time in existence. That's fucking amazing. And that's actually what's so interesting about art. And listen, I'm not saying that the art market is great.
Starting point is 00:50:54 You know, I'm not saying that like, there's oh wow, it's good that we are paying tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars for a piece of art. That's a whole other conversation. But I understand how we got there. And I understand how like when a skill and history is married up to something like that. When those are married together,
Starting point is 00:51:15 the value, you start to see the value of it. It's not created by a machine. You can't copy and paste it. It's not algorithmically generated. And you can make arguments about, well, it's algorithmically generated art art. It's sure, I'm happy to have that conversation. But if somebody could figure out a way that a piece of art that is created in a digital realm cannot be replicated, that there is no way to replicate that actual individual one thing.
Starting point is 00:51:43 That's interesting, but nobody's actually done that. That's not what NFTs are. But even then, technologically, I am more concerned with us putting all our effort behind distributing our abundance instead of inventing a new form of scarcity. Like I'm fine with us putting effort into. Hey, people are working from a playbook
Starting point is 00:52:00 that's been well established for millennia or whatever, which is like, you know, goods, like the barter, the trade of goods. Like, let's just say that in a pre-currency environment, in reality, we were like, okay, well, I have some milk and you've got some fucking sheepskin or whatever. But this is an extra idea. This isn't necessarily the idea that all societies have ever been built on. No, not an inevitability of our evolution. I understand that, but it is a longstanding basic concept where you're like, I have something you want to use the world around it.
Starting point is 00:52:30 Yeah, so you're like, I have something you want, you have something I want, can we make a trade? And if you didn't like that idea, we shot you in the head. Yeah, I get it. All right, but before that, people were just like, all right, I mean, that kind of makes sense,
Starting point is 00:52:39 because like, I've been pickling these fucking cucumbers and you've been shearing the sheep and like, I'm cold and you're hungry and like you know what's next but like barter was actually is I mean we can get in this is separate topic but barter is actually misunderstood to be more widely used as a economic system than it in fact was I mean listen we could go if you want to go back I mean obviously there are many communities where it was like we're all doing all this stuff and
Starting point is 00:53:01 we have to share it because it's the fucking community. Nobody even mean in like western Europe barter was it was it was it was it was it we're all doing all this stuff and we have to share in it because it's the fucking community. But it even mean in like Western Europe, Barter was, it was, it was a, it's a shorter period of history and it was less widely. Well, there's also a lot, yes, there's an economic, and there's, and there's plenty of,
Starting point is 00:53:13 and there's plenty of, historic examples where people are like in without a better way to describe it, you know, socializing their efforts for the good of the community. Like, yeah. Where it's not just like, give me this and I'll give you that It's like more of like we're sharing and we're working on this together, but like listen We're not let's not have a fucking debate about pre capitalistic. I was gonna say let's talk about another topic
Starting point is 00:53:37 But the point is very bad very bad. We're all I'm worried for all of you worried for it But also got it out my my NFTs, it's called the, my allocators are in a great, pictures of our own. Our allocators are wigs. RoboDate Barmean's very exciting. We should just do it. I should just do an NFTs scam.
Starting point is 00:53:54 I was like, I know if I could just do, if I could just drop these pesky, content, morals that I have. Yeah, I could be so rich. No, I mean, it's great. I was actually saying,
Starting point is 00:54:04 because I was tweeting about the stupid Metaverse article, the, what is it called? The fucking wedding, second life wedding in New York Times. And I was like, I literally was like, or was something else? I was like, I'm gonna make a, what was it? I was like, I'm gonna make an NFT of this
Starting point is 00:54:23 and become a billionaire. I was actually to make a, what was it? I was like, I'm going to make an NFT of this and become a billionaire. I was actually tweeting about the Dat Boy and Pepe memes. And I was like, oh man, remember when Dat Boy and do you remember Dat Boy? He's the frog on a unicycle. And Pepe, who's also another frog. And I just remember sharing these memes and just like fucking crying laughing
Starting point is 00:54:45 because they were so good before they were like naughty memes or whatever. And then I was like, I'm gonna make this a dude NFT and become a billionaire and it's like the truth is like I actually not become a billionaire, but I could actually definitely be like, you could move some units. I mean, who's, what are you gonna say?
Starting point is 00:54:59 I don't own it. Well, I made like I put like one little brush stroke on it or something be like, I've edited this and I put my logo on it or whatever. This is my art. And anyhow, I should do some NFTs now that I'm thinking own it. Well, I put like one little brush stroke on it. There's something to be like, I've edited this. I put my logo on it or whatever. This is my art. It's just a little bit. I should do some NFTs now that I'm thinking of it. I mean, why am I not getting rich quick?
Starting point is 00:55:11 Why is everybody else getting, this is the problem, right? It was like, well, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna come up with a really good NFTs game and you're gonna fucking, everybody's gonna drop a huge amount of money on it. It's gonna be great. I've come full circle. I'm doing this, I'm doing it.
Starting point is 00:55:22 I'm gonna be a MLM mid-level marketing guy. I have an idea for a company. What if I sold the product to the salespeople? I'm selling what I'm selling is not even the art. I'm selling a platform that allows you a dream So do you want the we have time for one other news straight? Do you want to talk about either how active is in blizzard is the worst company in the world or do you want to talk about uh... courtney love threatening elan musk wait what was the first topic active is in blizzard no i don't want to talk about that's too depressing i can't take it anymore right uh... let's talk about uh... courtney love threatening elan musk
Starting point is 00:55:58 uh... you know threatened is a strong word but courtney love who i don't even know to, do you know who Courtney Love is? Very famous musician and had a band called Whole. Very famously had a whole band called Whole. And I was married to Kirk Cobain, you may have heard of him. He was in a band called Nirvana, small group, very popular in the 90s, early 90s, anyhow, but so she tweeted, like, I don't follow Courtney Love, maybe I do now, let me see if I do, I should, I should be following her if I'm not. This is great on social. Courtney Love, what is her, what is her handle, her handle?
Starting point is 00:56:39 That's what we used to say in the old days when we were cruising the, the wet. It's just that Courtney. At Courtney, how'd she get that, damn, the fucking rips. She's very famous. Anyhow, she tweeted this thing at Elon Musk. She quoted him being, oh, she, no, she, she, she cat screen-capped an image of him being a dickhead to Bernie Sanders, which like, I saw this in, it's like,
Starting point is 00:56:56 I, I, you know, we can talk, we can talk about Elon Musk for a long time, but we're not gonna do it. We're not gonna do it. I mean, I'm not gonna have the conversation about Elon Musk right now, but. I,'re not gonna do it. We're not gonna do it. I'm not gonna have the conversation about Elon Musk right now, but... Dive into the archive if you want our thoughts on Elon Musk. Yeah, truly, truly. Elon Musk, you know your straight male PayPal Mafia email group?
Starting point is 00:57:14 I was on BCC for months on that thing, and then there's a T-emoji. With that information in mind, don't you think a civilized society, in a civilized society, once you embrace, paying out, paying our fair share of tax don't pick on Bernie it's Kendall Roy shit which I have to say as far as as far as you may know the Elon boys disagree obviously they're like who's this who are you like you
Starting point is 00:57:38 older husband yeah exactly any but as far as donks go this has a lot of stuff I'm liking you know you you'll note Elon Musk as far as donks go this has a lot of stuff i'm liking you know you you'll note you'll must as far as i know did not respond and i have to and she also sent a tweet that said at you lot must relax i'm a good queen crown emoji capitalism in the american dream has been good to you be good to it hashtag just pay your taxes as you responded as she responded all these guys are
Starting point is 00:58:04 jump in and of course all these guys jump in and they're like, uh, we are nerds. I was in front of him. He's paid more taxes in his life than you could ever dream of. I'd say guys settle the fuck down. Go please get, please get Paxel or whatever. He's begging to pay his taxes, but the government won't let him. He's like, he's incredible.
Starting point is 00:58:23 Where he made a joke about it. I don't want to go back to this, but he does not need you. And you need to chill the fuck out. It's like very sad. It's very sad and weird, whatever you're doing. It's very sad and weird. There's no other way to describe it. If you spend even one second of your day
Starting point is 00:58:34 defending Elon Musk on Twitter, you need to fucking get a life period. And I would say that to anybody who defends any fucking mega rich person on Twitter because somebody may have heard their feelings, okay? Like get a fucking life. By talking shit about how they use their money to hurt. It's like Tim, to me being like,
Starting point is 00:58:53 Tim Cook, Apple should pay more taxes. People were like, Tim Cook is my god, to get out of his Twitter feed. He damn is on alone. We've Jeff Bezos alone. It's like shut the fuck up, you loser. You absolute fucking loser. Anyhow. You were tricked into liking him because of Rick and Morty stop. Yeah, it's like it's not even cool
Starting point is 00:59:10 He's not you on time and you know So I love this as a tweet concept, but I also think she should You know Share the receipts as they say I know Well, you know, maybe we'll get that. Maybe Elon Musk pushes too hard. I'm sure there's some nasty shit.
Starting point is 00:59:28 I don't know what that email is. Oh, yeah. But I bet he said some absolutely nefarious horrible shit. I would imagine it could go, it could be, you know, listen, I don't know, of course. Oh, seriously? It's all speculation on my part, but is it racism?
Starting point is 00:59:42 Maybe? It's possible. It's a lot of weird racist shit that happened at the Tesla plants from what I understand. Is it sex stuff? is it racism? Maybe? It's possible. A lot of weird racist shit that happened at the Tesla plants from what I understand. Is it sex stopped? Is it bad? I'm secretly a master of the world and let's, you know,
Starting point is 00:59:51 how he was like, I'll start a coup wherever I want. Yeah, I mean, it's probably not bad. I mean, this is like PayPal Mafia days. So maybe it's more like a bad, really bad off color just stuff. But you know what I mean? They could be like, we have information on how X, Y, Z person used PayPal. Yeah, maybe. There's no privacy test. It's true. I don't know what I mean, they could be like, they could be like, we have information on how XYZ person used PayPal.
Starting point is 01:00:05 I mean, there's no privacy checks. It's true. I don't know. I gotta see the, she's gotta share the emails. I think what's, I wanna see the receipts. I think what's great is, you know, I'm sure, listen, I'm sure it's bad. What's really great is the, the, the send off, which is it's Kendall Roy, shit. Now, I will say, I mean, on so many levels,
Starting point is 01:00:24 and like, it actually, I was like, oh yeah, like, yes, like so much of like, I don't know if you've been watching succession this season. I'd be surprised if you haven't. Of course. But there's a lot of stuff about it. And if you know Tony, if you don't know, you should watch succession,
Starting point is 01:00:38 but there's a character, Kendall Roy character on a show about, but you know, basically about media sions, you know, about like the children of a Roger, not Roger Ailes, the children of a Rupert Murdoch. You know, it's basically Rupert Murdoch in his family is what the show is about. In Candle Roy is, you know, the son, the kind of fail, sort of, the, yeah, the fails, ultimate like fucking super rich fail son who just every scheme, every attempt to be, to be his own man.
Starting point is 01:01:04 And he even just wants, even in any attempt to be cool or normal, it's such a disaster. It's just cringe, it's just chugay, it's very chugay, it's very cringe. It's like, anyhow, he's just like super cringe, but like in many ways it is like Elon Musk's like Twitter persona or whatever it is, you know, where he's like,
Starting point is 01:01:21 I posted a meme, it's like that level of life. I want my Twitter game to be fire. Yeah, it posted a meme, it's like that level of life. I want my Twitter game to be fire. Yeah, it's like that. It's like that. It is so like, uh, God, it's so pretty. What, what, what, what's we make this trend? All I gotta do is tweak each our puff and stuff. Foot would fall.
Starting point is 01:01:35 He's like, I'm gonna get, yeah. He's like, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get like fart, rap, trending or whatever. You know, it's like, that's the level of discourse or whatever, anyhow. But it's just such a great superb, you know, like, it's a good read. Kind of burn. Yeah. Yeah, a good read is exactly right.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Anyhow, so Elon Musk, again, just constant agitator, you know, shut the fuck up and do your job, you know, maybe Maybe make a car with a lot of auto pilot that works. Just get off Twitter and fix auto pilot or whatever. You know they fake that, right? That just came out? I don't know, I say this as a person who's about to get a new Tesla. The first self-driving car video is entirely fake.
Starting point is 01:02:20 Again, again, well, sure. Again, by the way, I think the Tesla product is quite impressive. I will say this till I'm dead. The Tesla vehicles are very impressive pieces of technology that have completely changed the auto industry. Super awesome. How's that build quality? Super.
Starting point is 01:02:37 My car was fine. I've had a Tesla for two, a Model 3 for two years, and it's been fine. Okay. I'm trading it in and I'm getting a model Y, which weirdly, can I share? Didn't you reserve a Cybertruck? Yeah, I wish.
Starting point is 01:02:49 I'm still waiting. It's in my account. I'm like, where's my Cybertruck, motherfucker? The, the, the, the, but they were like, we won't be able to make the, we're not, we're so behind on building these cars, we won't be able to deliver it until April, okay? This was like two months ago.
Starting point is 01:03:06 And I was like, okay, well, you know what, I'll put an order in, you can always cancel it. I'm like, I'll put it in, I'm gonna look at other cars. I have a lot of time. Last week, it'll be delivered on December 10th. I was like, what? The fuck are you, you gotta extend your lease six months because on your old car, I'm like, okay,
Starting point is 01:03:23 sharing a lot of my personal life here with you. But anyhow, I'm like, okay, sure fine, whatever. And then they're like, it gotta extend your lease six months because on your old car, I'm like, okay, I'm sharing a lot of my personal life here with you. But anyhow, I'm like, okay, sure, fine, whatever. And then they're like, it'll be delivered on Friday. I'm like, what are you fucking talking about? You said April, so I guess the supply chain shit is fine from what I can tell. I don't know, I've heard a lot of weird stories about their customer service and logistics.
Starting point is 01:03:41 I wanna believe, I'd like to believe it's, that got flagged in the system. They're like, this John Stone's game. Oh, he'd like to believe that that you're on that's what I'm that's what you're the reverse shadow band. They're like this guy is shadow. He's going to be he'll be a huge pain in our ass on Twitter. If we don't fucking just get his car quickly. I have no idea if that's true. I'd like to believe it. I'm sure it's not true at all. But who knows who fucking knows Elon Musk and I have had a lot of important interactions with one another.
Starting point is 01:04:08 And perhaps Elon Musk personally was like, if you see Tupulski in the system, I wanna make sure he gets what he wants when he wants it. You let me take a shit and that guy's drunk. I'd be amazed if the funk, the fry opened the frunk and there was a pile of shit in there. I mean, you know, these Elon Musk fanboys would be like, can we somehow,
Starting point is 01:04:27 oh, I would love to, could you put it in a vial and sell it to me? Can you put that in between some bread? I'm hungry, you know what I'm like? No, they'll be like, can we somehow use this to clone Elon Musk? Can we get a material out of that to anyhow? This is a disgusting and hopeful end to this podcast. I'm sick and by this conversation. Let this conversation about nice things. Let's do do
Starting point is 01:04:48 Let's do my nice thing is It's my husband's birthday yesterday was and beautiful wonderful. We took him out to see the Van Gogh immersive exhibit Hey, speak of the devil NFTs to their off are they offering van Gogh NFTs? Van Gogh was very into NFTs the devil. NFTs, are they offering van Gogh NFTs? Van Gogh was very into NFTs. I was the original NFTs. It was called the independent years, any salt. Dude, you know, the guy was way ahead of the curve on,
Starting point is 01:05:13 on, on, scars. It was very cool and interesting. We got dinner and drinks and it was nice. And then last night we went to Beetlehouse, which is a, more fun than it is classy and artistic, but it's a Tim Burton themed bar and restaurant, and my husband very much loves early Tim Burton stuff. So it would be fun.
Starting point is 01:05:37 I love it. I love that for you. It's great drinks. God, I'm ready for a drink. Although I'm nearly not drinking. I did have a drink last night and then I was like, God, why I can't do this anymore. I cannot drink.
Starting point is 01:05:48 It's horrible. So that's your nice thing. That's my nice thing. It's a quick nice thing for you. Yeah, we went out. We had fun in New York City. I think that's fun. I'm going to rifle through.
Starting point is 01:05:57 Rifle through? A series of nice things. Oh, the other nice thing. Sorry. Go by Halo Infinite. I couldn't tell you this last time because I was under NDA. I am not under NDA anymore. Halo Infinite is in a fucking killer game. No, single player. Any single player. He slaps the campaign slaps. Can I can I can I just enter it without having played any other games? You're gonna have a great time. I'm ready. I'm so ready.
Starting point is 01:06:22 That was my body. That was my body is ready. My body is ready. Yes. My man Reggie once said, he said that. Yeah, he did. Yeah. I think Reggie Fuse of A once said, my body is ready.
Starting point is 01:06:33 My body is ready. Man, the internet used to be so good. I know. There's so many good old nice cute, just like just little like, oh, I'm just googling it right now. I want to see it. Just like regular memes.
Starting point is 01:06:45 Remember the imprint money meme? Do you remember that? No, it was Nintendo executives holding up an Nintendo DS and they were like new feature. It prints money and then it was just like pouring 100 dollar bills out of the slot or? I mean, my body is ready as good. Just, I'm looking at the beeps and it's just like,
Starting point is 01:07:01 just so nice. It's so good. Everything about it. I'm loving every meme I've nice. It's so good. Everything about it. I'm loving every meme I've seen. Anyhow, okay, so you should make my body as ready the NFT collection. Gonna go through a few things. Also, I think I just saw a huge spoiler
Starting point is 01:07:21 in my Twitter feed for the new sex in the city, which is like that Really bad like really bad the death of a character. Oh, no If that's true. I hope it's not but that's it extremely Extremely is extremely shitty thing to put in your Twitter feed to people like oh, yeah, my okay Here's a few nice things to reflect on you ready mm-hmm for me one. I build a manger Are you familiar with the manger? It's where the baby Jesus, I guess, is like born in a nativity scene. It's a barn. Yeah, they didn't have a hotel room. So he went to a manger. Now I'm Jewish. So, you know, I'm, for me, it's all still a series of
Starting point is 01:08:01 exploratory moments in my life to do anything around Christmas. You know, I never celebrated it for most of my life. And now, since Laura and I have been together, I am celebrating it. And I'm fucking loving it. Christmas is a great holiday. I think it's one of the best of all of the holidays. Anyhow, but Laura was telling me all about the manger that she used to have as a kid, as when she was a kid. And she was showing me the figurines, which are these Italian made, there's these very specific, they're made of a material called resin, which is some kind of, I guess, plastic,
Starting point is 01:08:30 or maybe like, it's like a plastic stone hybrid or whatever, anyhow. And like, you know, there's like a classic design that I guess is like a 50s, 60s sort of like, the people in the, in the nativity scene, you know, it's like all the, it's a fucking angels and the wise men and baby Jesus and Mary and Joseph and the whole crew is there.
Starting point is 01:08:48 You know, there's some animals and stuff. And I was like, these are very like the, I'm like into these. And then we started talking about how like you could put other things in the scene, like, you know, Batman or like some post-opera. And you were like, whatever, you have any petty wise. And I was like, then I started to get really excited
Starting point is 01:09:04 like about the idea of setting up a manger here at the Topolski House. And now I thought Zelda will love it. And then I was like, I should build one, because I acquired all these woodworking skills over the pandemic. And so I'm like, fuck it, I'm just gonna do it. I'm just gonna fucking, I got a bunch of wood,
Starting point is 01:09:20 I'm just gonna do it. And so I actually did build a manger from scratch with zero plans and no planning, and frankly, many mistakes, okay, in terms of construction of the manger. But I do think it ended up okay. And so that was, that's one nice thing.
Starting point is 01:09:36 And then of course, like we set up all the guys, I had like a selection of the, just the crew. And then Zada was like, oh, we have, because we bought figurines on eBay. And so then we had extras. And so she did a setup of with all of the extras, like multiple wise men of different sizes. And you know, several Mary,
Starting point is 01:09:55 I think she actually left Mary and Joseph as like singular with baby Jesus. And then everybody else has like weird duplicates. And it's fucking amazing. And then she brought in some Pokemon, you know, in the mix. And she was like, can you extend the base of this so I can put more guys in it? I'm like, yeah, anyhow, so that's one thing I just enjoying the fuck out of second. Second thing is I bought fucking Ray, Ray Wong of input fame. I heard of it.
Starting point is 01:10:24 It was like, showed me this, the Instagram ad he got for this keyboard, a low profile keyboard called a new fee, and you, phy. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? And it's like this, like really kind of beautiful looking small, like low profile board with these accessories, like a case and different keycaps and stuff.
Starting point is 01:10:41 And I'm like, I'm just gonna buy this. This seems, I'm a, you know, I'm a sick person with an obsession for keyboards and I'm just gonna buy this. This seems, you know, I'm a sick person with an obsession for keyboards, and I'm just gonna buy this. And I bought it. And I bought it to key. I have the need to key, and I don't even know where it's going.
Starting point is 01:10:52 I'm just buying, just acquiring keyboards at this point for reasons that I can't possibly understand. And anyhow, it's a really great little keyboard. And it has a hot swappable switches, and so you can put different low profile switches in. And it's actually just very nicely designed. It's got like full LEDs. It's just a beautifully designed piece of hardware
Starting point is 01:11:13 and I'm loving it. And it's been, I was like, this is just a weird surprise. Like I've never heard of this ever before as a keyboard enthusiast, enthusiast. And now here I am owning it and using it and loving it. Anyhow, there's that, it's also like a wireless keyboard you can use with iPads and stuff, so it's great. Last thing is I got the fucking,
Starting point is 01:11:33 the computer one, the Teenage Engineering computer one. And I don't know if we talked about me having it, I was waiting for it, which is a Teenage Engineering design case for a mini ITX computer setup, PC setup. I have built it. It is an insane thing to build. I like just terrifying build process because you have to bend metal and it's like you can
Starting point is 01:11:55 easily snap shit off. I have built it. I'm waiting for a card that fits inside because it is a very small case and you can only fit a certain type of card. And I've ordered a overpaid for a 3060 single fan card, which is a the low end of the 30 series, which hopefully we'll fit in here. Anyhow, but it's a great, weird, awesome little case. And what's interesting about it is it is such a kind of rando box that you can kind of customize internally in a lot of ways.
Starting point is 01:12:25 Yes, it's limited in certain places, but you could build, if you were starting from total, just from absolute scratch, you could build a really awesome PS5 level graphics or better with this system. It's just very awesome looking. And I didn't start from scratch. I'm retrofitting a bunch of components in here, and it's still pretty great. But it is, I would say, an acquired taste
Starting point is 01:12:54 for a very specific type of user. PC people, I totally will understand why the PC master race will not like this case for a hundred different reasons. But anyhow, but I'm fucking enjoying it, and I'm loving it. We'll have some content on input about it. And not net and some of them from me, but mostly from from Ray and Evan anyhow. But yeah, that's it. Okay, I'm done. That's those are my nice things. I think that's it.
Starting point is 01:13:18 Next time I type, I can't imagine what else there is. Thank you. I appreciate it. And oh, and oh, and and and and, and, and, and, and that key said by key said this Craig mod thing. I have, I can't recommend it enough. I think they're limited edition. There's like a thousand of them. So if you go and get a great mood, make a great gift for somebody you know, who is, um, you know,
Starting point is 01:13:38 I don't know, like into Japan or loves photography. It's like a very good, like if you, like if you're shopping for somebody who's hard to buy for, might be a good option. It's my holiday gift guide. All right, bye. Okay, bye. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow, and as as always I wish you and your family the very best. But unfortunately I've just been informed that your family has purchased one of Van Gogh's NFTs and it's rapidly dropping in value.
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