Tomorrow - A Very Boring Company Town

Episode Date: December 14, 2024

This week, Rani walks Josh through Elon Musk's company town that leaves a lot to be desired; as well as Trump's billionaire donors contributing their pocket change. Then, Apple's new AI emoji feature confuses us, while creating images that both entertain and disgust the gc? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, and welcome to Tomorrow. I'm your host, Joshua Topolsky. And I'm your other host, Ronnie Moller. And we are coming to you live and direct from beautiful New York offices of Robinhood slash Sherwood. Sherwood is this much smaller font than Robinhood in this case. Ronnie and I are recording in a room together, which is a very rare occurrence for us in this beautifully appointed podcast space that they have, which we actually have been unable to use until very recently. There's a very special man named Dan Monado, who I want to thank, who runs AV stuff over

at the company. And he's been very helpful in getting us situated here in the room. And it's very special. And anyhow, it is December, I want to say December 11th today. What is the date? Yeah, that's the correct date. Is that correct? Okay.

It's December 11th. And it's been a, it's a correct. Okay. It's December 11th and it's been a it's a it's a Wednesday You'll be hearing this on a Thursday unless something goes horribly wrong and we have been through I would say one of the most exciting unusual weeks in American history Not ever But but pretty high on the list. I think the last time we recorded, we may have been like, yeah, this guy was shot.

Right, we quickly mentioned the health care CEO. Yeah, one of those health care CEOs got shot by this guy, this random guy. And now for like a week, we didn't know the guy wasn't caught. Five days, six days. He was like a folk hero. There was tons of ballads on TikTok.

He became a folk hero. There was tons of ballads on TikTok. He became a folk hero. There was merch, you know, deny, delayed, depose merch. I was referring to him as the Triple D Shooter, which nobody was picking up, but nobody had a better name for him. And this guy, this character was just created, it was just a phenomenon on the internet. And then and then yesterday, was it yesterday? Was he caught yesterday or the day before? Was it Monday? Oh my god, I don't even remember. It feels like it's been so long. It must have been the day before. It feels like it was a million years ago, but it was like 48 hours or something. Now

he's been caught. It turns out he is a very online man named Luigi Mangione. Right. He is presumably of Italian heritage. I mean, I'm no expert, but the name sounds Italian. He's extremely handsome. Right. I mean, according to the internet, I'm not saying he, I think he's a good looking kid or whatever, but he's a thirst trap. He's a thirst. He is a thirst trap. Or you know, he posts lots of posts, thirst traps. I'm not sure if he's posting. He's a, he's a good looking kid or whatever, but. He's a thirst trap. He's a thirst, he is a thirst trap? Or he posts lots of thirst traps. Posts thirst traps. I'm not sure if he's posting. He's a troubled, I guess we should caveat this

by saying he's a very troubled youth who committed a murder, allegedly. I mean, I guess troubled, I don't know. How sick does the system have to be before extreme action is necessary? But that's a question that he probably posed in one of his manifestos. But which was published yesterday. Well, a manifesto was published yesterday by the great Ken Klippenstein, one of the

most annoying people on Twitter. But good guy, good guy. Just posts a lot. Just does a lot of posting, very online. I like him, don't get me wrong. I don't want him to dole out any digitally, any style justice on me, so I'll just say Ken's a good guy. But Luigi Mangione, I'm trying to add a little Italian flair to that. Well, it's weird, because everyone's trying to place him based on his online profiles, and they've got his Goodreads, his Reddit,

and who he follows on Twitter and he seems to be sort of all over the place. He's either really normal or all over the place. He's a Huberman, he likes Huberman who is a scam, scam, fake doctor. But lots of people like that. Lots of people like him, I mean sure. I mean lots of people like lots of things

that aren't good for them, like Oreo cookies. Which are delicious, by the way. No knock on Oreo cookies. In fact, for Thanksgiving, we had an Oreo cake. It was absolutely fantastic. He likes Huberman. He likes, he read, but he read stuff like Sapiens, but he also did a Goodreads review of the Unabomber's book,

and he's like, you know, it'd be easy to write this off, but he makes some good points. And by the Unabomber's book. And he's like, you know, it'd be easy to write this off, but he makes some good points. And by the way, like, he does. I mean, I'm not siding with the Unabomber. I'm not endorsing his actions, but there are points in his manifestos where it's like, huh, that's actually a pretty compelling point that he's making about the environment and corporations.

Anyhow, but you know, he seems like a 26 year old online guy, he was a redditor, he was a gamer. He slightly, well, he was, I mean, we could describe him as an incel. Except, he's got some posts that are incel, well, he's got some posts that are very incel, he's got this post about Japan, I guess he lived in Japan for a little while or something. He's got a post about how like Japan can stop. It's like

It's a low birth rate epidemic by like getting rid of Tenga eggs, which is like a some kind of like Masturbation device that they sell like in some other stuff What this guy has breath like All over the place smart guy comes from apparently a wealthy family went to Ivy League school, right? Yeah went to Ivy League winter Ivy League school was an intern At like working on civilization the the video game civilization six. I think I read somewhere avid gamer Just like a regular 26 year old guy honestly on the internet. I wouldn't say any of his views seem particularly I mean, to be clear, there are people online who have like really, really crazy, radical viewpoints and share them everywhere.

He, like many Americans, is very upset with the healthcare system. He didn't like the healthcare system. He's apparently has been experiencing, it seems like chronic, very severe back pain from an injury. He's been experiencing a lot of pain. He's been experiencing a lot of pain.

He's been experiencing a lot of pain. He's been experiencing a lot of pain. He's been experiencing a lot of system. Kline- You like the healthcare system. Apparently, he's been experiencing, it seems like chronic, very severe back pain from an injury that he sustained, I believe surfing. There's some, it's not totally confirmed, I think, some talk about him having experienced some kind of back surgery that left him in a lot of pain or he was in a lot of pain and then he got back surgery. But I think people are looking for the parallel there. Maybe that is the trigger. No pun intended. He used a 3D printed gun in this shooting.

Or at least parts of it were 3D printed. Yeah, parts of it. He had a manifesto that he was on him when he was caught at McDonald's. A handwritten... Handwritten. What, like a one-pager or something? By the way, I mean, analog. Guy went analog for the manifesto. I think that's pretty cool.

And people went analog in order to find him. Like the McDonald's... The people at McDonald's recognized him from pictures of what was there. He was fingered by a McDonald's employee or a friend of a McDonald's the people in McDonald's like recognized him from his fingers by Fingered by McDonald's employee or a friend of a McDonald's employee or people in the McDonald's are joking about it and then the employee tried to get the Tip money, it's unclear but here's what we know This guy Luigi Mangione Hope I'm saying that right is Is is alleged to have killed the UnitedHealthcare CEO, whose name I believe is Brian Thompson.

And I only say I believe because I think that's his name, but it sounds so generic of a name. Well, once you have like Luigi Mangione. Yeah, you've got, you really opposite ends of the spectrum. You've got this Brian Thompson, say Anglo, very average Anglo name, and then you've got Luigi Mangione. Anyhow, he's alleged to have shot him in cold blood on the streets of Manhattan in the early hours of December 4th or something. Now, he's been taken into custody by the NYPD. He's been photographed many, many, many times looking hot, according to the internet. It's just outfits. It's wild.

It's like they're having a photo shoot over there. Somebody was saying, I saw somebody commenting on a post on the Times or something, and they're like, doesn't it? Isn't it? At this point, isn't it getting to be some kind of weird abuse of the NYPD cops to have taken this many photos of him? It does seem a little bit like they're selling them to Us Weekly or something. The whole thing is obviously a very online moment.

It's all unfolding on the internet. You've got internet sleuths who are trying to put it together. You've got stands internet sleuths. They were trying to put it together. You've got Stands like Luigi stands. I mean the amount of fandom that's been created around this guy in the span of a week Is crazy? And you know, I think we should say You know there I think there is something in the modern like in reality that we're like you know, I think there is something in the modern, like in reality that we're like,

you know, we're like, this guy murdered somebody, right? By the way, I mean, generally, I think murder's bad. I just wanna put this out there. Yes. I'm anti-murder. I'm anti-murder. And I'm not gonna get into the, well, sometimes or whatever, I'm anti-murder. I'm anti-murder. I'm not going to get into the, well, sometimes or whatever. I'm just saying, I think killing people, for whatever reason, killing people is bad.

That goes for the people who make decisions at insurance companies about who gets coverage and who doesn't, as well as somebody who shoots somebody on the street with a gun. I think I'm just going to say, generally speaking, however, this is a... When did Josh's cancellation begin? It was right when he said however after making the statement that murder is bad. I think there is something that's so unique about this situation because just in terms of the public's reaction to it, because I think most people agree murder's bad. And yet, the general consensus that I have perceived on the internet, at least, from many different corners is nobody seems terribly sad that the CEO of a health care company was murdered.

And in fact, it has raised a lot of it has caused people to be very like vocal about their frustrations and with the pain and suffering that the health care industry has caused them personally and like many, many Americans. I mean, really it is it is it is drawn people together in a way that I don't know that I've ever seen in the last 20 years, probably. That I've seen like this collective sort of exasperation with this industry. Right. And it's sometimes bipartisan, too, which is wild. You know, that never happens anymore. Bipartisan. I mean, I feel like cuts across it cuts across racial, societal, cultural barriers.

I think there's an enormous amount of pain that the healthcare industry in America has created. And again, not to say that anybody necessarily is saying, like, good, we should murder more people. But I do think there is a little bit of, maybe now, it seems like people are is saying like, oh, like good, we should murder more people. But I do think there is a little bit of like, maybe now seems like people are kind of like, maybe now these people will pay attention to us or listen to us or hear us. And you know, this kid's, his manifesto touches on this idea that, you know, it's like, well, a lot of people

feel this way, but I'm gonna do something about it. You know, and I think there is something really interesting that is coming off of the election and this question about class and, you know, the class struggles at these different levels and the kind of haves versus have nots It felt very much like you know a certain a Certain voice in America had drowned out a lot of other voices You know that just in terms of pure like who's like if you look at Trump's cabinet You know if you look at who he's putting into positions of power These are not it's not a real swamp draining exercise, I would say. It's a lot of people who are one of his finance guys. One of Soros' ex-finance guys, or whatever.

I forget what role he put him in. There's a lot of all these people who've been honestly hurt by the billionaire class We're like, yeah, we don't care in a way. It felt like a little bit like okay Right. We're not if we're taking sides like we're siding with the people who are ultimately at the top of the chain Wasn't like the biggest problem, right? They're kind of at the top of the food chain financially Whereas a lot of these people who are voting for Republican candidates are not anywhere near the top of the food chain. But it is interesting to see very quickly after the election a moment where it's like,

oh, maybe we actually all agree a lot more than we thought we did about what the dynamic, what the problematic dynamic in America actually is, which is not necessarily I mean, yes, of course, Republicans and Democrats disagree on lots of different things. People don't think health care should cost this much and be this like, you know, Well, when you get right down to the the issues, the actual issues, I mean, you know, like, like Trump made a big deal about immigration, about that being that's the issue in America. And that's what's going to solve, you know, our

problems as if we solve them immigration or get harder on on on immigration here. And it just it does make you wonder, in a way, is this what it takes for people to see the actual Problems, you know and and if that's the case Could this be a turning point in kind of the perspective of the American population? I don't know But it doesn't it feel like there's a we're reaching some kind of like breaking point where you know If you just look at the if you look at the economy, right, you know, if you look at the CEOs and the kind of... You're doing fine. What's that?

You're doing fine. They're doing fine. I mean, if you look at CEOs and the top, these top earners versus the working class, right, and you look at wage growth over, you know, the last, what, 30 years, 40 years or whatever it's been, the things have not kept a pace. These are astronomical distances between what a minimum wage or average worker is making versus what CEOs in this ruling class are now, this kind of American oligarchy that seems to be taking shape. It does feel a little bit like, you know, we're in like revolution territory. You know, these are the things that precede revolutions. I'm

not advocating, but guys like Luigi Mangione, who is, does not seem to be just like a crazy guy who went off and shot somebody for no reason. No, a lot of people are not exactly siding with him, but sort of like understanding what's going on here. We spent enough time talking about Luigi Maggioni, who is our new favorite guy. Let me talk about my favorite guy. Or alternately is our least favorite guy. I'm going to leave the door open.

I don't want my feelings to be known on that. All I can say is I have a feeling and I'm not going to share it with the group right now. Anyway, what else? What else has happened this week? It's been a big week. We had we had I should say we had an off site and sure we had a a big off site. So we're very tired. We had a big whole show team out you very late, very late and tired. And we've you know, we've seen a lot this week. We've seen too much. Some might argue.

We've seen a lot of CEOs giving Donald Trump $1 million exactly. Yeah, he gets so one of these big tech CEOs are like Donald Trump. That's a lot of money, actually, because he's not a billionaire. To him, that's a lot of money. A million dollars is quite a bit. I did a chart today about how much money it is to them, as a percentage of their net worth, and then scaling that to the average American's net worth,

to be a normal number. Is that, you know... Yeah, so I think for Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg, it was about like, it's like you and I are a regular person. So like someone, not me. So I'm also in I'm also in the billionaires group. Don't try to. Don't try to. Don't try to pile me into your normal person group. OK. If you were a normal person with a net worth, the median net worth in the US is like a little under $200,000, then it would feel like, for Zuck, the donation would feel like $0.88 or something.

Let me look at that for a moment. That's so good. $0.86 for Zuckerberg. $0.78 for Bezos. This is great. I actually haven't looked at this post today. For broke-ass Sam Altman, $1 million would be like $96.35. Is that correct? Harjes-Springberg Right. It's $0.86 for Mark Zuckerberg because he gave $1 million. Jeff Bezos also gave $1. And for Jeff Bezos is relatively higher net worth that's worth about like 78 cents

to the average Joe like the price of a banana say right. Sam Altman also donated a million to Trump's inaugural fund. But for him who whose net worth is kind of like in flux right now because we don't. Yeah, we have to see whether what happens. It's not real money yet. It's not real money yet, but like, assuming he's worth two billion,

which is a lot less than the other guys, that's like basically like a hundred bucks for him, 96 bucks. Yeah. And then there's Elon Musk who gave a lot more. Explain the Elon Musk one because it's $108.99. That's because he didn't give a million. He donated over

the course of the election. So $250 million to Trump feels like if I were to spend, sorry, if an average, not a non-billionaire American who had an average net worth of what $200,000? Is that what you're saying? Yep. It would feel like $250 million to Elon Musk feels like if that person, a normal person, spent $108.99. Is that correct? Yeah. It's called $109 for the safety argument. Yeah, like maybe what you'd get like your kid's teacher in like a Starbucks gift card or something. I don't know, like $100. $109 in Starbucks gift card or something. I don't know, like what's a hundred bucks?

Like a nice- $109 in Starbucks gift cards for a teacher? I don't know. I mean, we should be giving them, honestly folks, we should be giving them much more than that. And it shouldn't be in the form of Starbucks gift cards. Teachers should be the highest paid job in America. Absolutely.

Teaching should be, and I don't say this like, you know, my mother was a school teacher, but I, and I'm not saying it because of my mom, though she's a wonderful lady. It's so crazy, sorry, not to get off topic, because this is a great chart and everybody should check it out. And I love the idea that like, $250 million was like $100 bucks to Elon Musk. I think it's like really, it really makes it all, it really frames it up, interestingly. But teachers, yeah, man, it's crazy. It really makes it all it really frames it up interestingly, but

Teachers yeah, man, it's crazy We don't we're not paying teachers like crazy salaries like engineer salaries or like CEO salaries It's like principals of schools should be making CEO money and teachers should be making like well-paid tech company engineer salaries Yeah, because not for nothing, but if they screw up if they don't do a good job We're screwed Like like and if they do a good job, it's only upside for the most part and yet we don't in this country It's just like whatever who cares. It's like obviously the just like everything in this country It's divided into if you're rich enough You can pay for really good private school where you have really great teachers and, they'll give your kids whatever grade you want because they're scared of being

fired, which is definitely happening, which is why we have some significant portion of Ivy League graduates or entrants who don't know how to read or something. There was some statistic recently that there's some high percentage of college students who don't actually know how to read or something. Ins insane. Anyhow, I'm getting off topic. They donated a gym anyway. But yeah, you should be paid a lot more. I agree. I agree.

Perhaps I'm sliding off topic, which I never do. For me, this is an unusual and rare situation. But anyhow, yeah. A lot of billionaires are given many millions, one million. One million? They're all giving one million. It's all giving one million. One million to Trump. This is like when somebody has like, you know, this is like when your friend,

like your friend's kid has like a Bar Mitzvah or something. I don't know if anybody's ever experienced it or like a, what is the Catholic version of a Bar Mitzvah? It's called a confirmation. Communion. I don't know, because I don't know anything about religions. There's a lot of shrugging happening happening Sure. Yeah, I guess I mean all lots of different religions and cultures have this like, you know

It was like whatever like coming of age party and you're like you gotta give you gotta give the kid money Like you give the family, you know give the parents some money for the kid or whatever I feel like this is like one of those things where everybody's like these guys are like how much you get you're gonna give 200 bucks 250 and other people like yeah, it seems right take 250 going great Everybody's like writing the check. They're like what you what you think like a million is a million Does that seem like sufficient to make Trump feel like we really like him? like Such bullshit. It's not a lot of money to these guys

it's it would you know, like this isn't like it sounds like a lot but it's actually not a lot of money to these guys. It's it would you know, like this is like it sounds like a lot, but it's actually not a lot of money to these guys. And then like, no, Becker, one of our editors at Sherwin, love Nate. He did a piece earlier this week that was that did the ROI for Elon Musk on that 250 million. And since since those donations, his stock, his personal stock in Tesla has gone up like 50 billion. And it's all working out, it turns out.

It's all working out. It was a really good investment. It looks like if you play your cards right, it can be very lucrative to support the incoming president. Look, I get it. If I were a billionaire, which I'm not, I'm just a regular Joe, Joe the Plumber. Nobody remembers Joe the Plumber. I think he died actually it's very sad story, but um Do you even know who I'm talking about? I?

Know vaguely I already Do the plumber was like it was either like Bush during like George W Bush running for president or I was like more clean no, I think it's beyond that I think it was like Okay, I'm just gonna go. I'm go to it. I'm just gonna look it up. Joe. Joe the plumber was like some guy they're like last year. Yeah, he was like just an average guy. Joe the plumber. That's Samuel Joseph or Zilbacher. Come on,ru is an American conservative activist and commentator. He gained attention during the 2008 presidential campaign season when during a videotaped campaign

stop in Ohio by Democratic nominee Barack Obama, Worzelbacher raised concerns that Obama's tax policy would increase tax on small business owners. Okay, he's a Republican. Anyhow, Joe the Plumber. Everybody started talking about this guy is like his and every man. I'm sure there's some like backstory to this that we don't know. Yeah, like, Joe, he was a plant. Or he's like, you know, was bad in some way. Yeah, anyhow, there's

all these people in like US politics where they're like, that's a, that's an example of a regular American, not like these other elites. And you know, at the end of the day, folks, Americans come in all shapes and sizes. And a lot of them are billionaires these days. A lot more than before. A lot of them. Not really. Fewer than, I mean, more than ever probably, but not that many, let's put it that way.

I think they're about 1%. That's what I'm hearing. One percent are millionaires. And then there's everybody else. But I actually started watching, for whatever reason, on YouTube, which I love to look at, there's a full-length PBS documentary called The Gilded Age, which is about, as you might imagine, the Gilded Age, which is about, as you might imagine, the Gilded Age.

And it's like, you know, it's basically like, highly, it's highly interesting to watch at this moment, because it's about how all these like, you know, these barons of industry created this enormous amount of inequality. And people are like, wait a second, that's not good. It's like, oh, it's like America was business was booming the economy was doing great and it's like all these people are like I'm my children got you know killed inside of the like

You know I don't know tire making machine down at the factory or the steel in the steel mill my nine-year-old got smashed under like a you know steel girder or whatever, the steel mill, and we don't have any money. And people were like, this doesn't seem right. And suddenly people were like, hey, wait a second, maybe all of this wealth has created also all this poverty. And anyway, it was a great time.

Are you drawing a historical line to the present day somehow? I'm saying that we're living in a new Gilded Age and no, I don't know. I mean, I just think there's a tremendous amount of inequality as we've discussed on this episode and probably other episodes, just in terms of like, you know, the financial spread in America. But we're not here to talk about the economy. We're not here to talk about the money. We're here to talk about something else, I assume. We could talk about Elon Musk's town. If you want to hear about that.

Oh my God, Musk town. We haven't discussed this. You went to Elon Musk's hometown. No, you went to his town that he's creating, not his hometown. One of his company towns. A town which will be a hometown to people who work for Elon Musk, which is called Snailbrook.

Snailbrook. What did we call it? Is Snailbrook the name of the town? Yeah. Did he name it that? Yeah, because that's the Boring Company's mascot as a snail, because the tunneling machinery is very slow. Is that right?

Yes. It's like a lot to process actually. I first of I didn't know the boring company had a mascot. I thought it was just a logo. Yeah. So the boring companies there. I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with you. I hate to give Elon Musk credit for, you know, things, but I don't hate to. But I mean, I will say boring. Theoring Company is a good name, if it's a company that is doing that. But also, just generally speaking.

The Snail, can I just look at this? I don't know. I'm not sure. In my article, there's a bunch of images of it. Yeah, I didn't read that. I don't really sure. Okay, well, it says 6,000 words down it, but yeah, I believe I didn't read that I don't reach Of course a six thousand words down the drain. Yeah, sorry. I'm very busy I never I don't know I don't see a snail anywhere here. Is it that I don't start in the logo

No, it's no it's like they're mascot like they got a lot of inside jokes here. Let me where's my article? Yeah, yeah at any rate. So okay. It's a snails snail brook and Yeah, yeah at any rate so okay, it's a snailbrook and Snailbrook is his company that he or sorry. He's his his his company town that he has Created he's created or taken over. He's taken over a town called What what was the town actually so first off? He said he was moving X, you know, Twitter to Austin. Turns out it's not Austin. It is Bastrop, but it's not Bastrop town. It's in the county of Bastrop. It's kind of like in the middle of nowhere outside of his town, outside of Austin, 45 minutes away from Austin. It's like a pasture land that he's been turning into a little, you know, center of

industry. He's got his boring company there. He's got SpaceX is a starling facility, a giant, giant facility there. X is moving there. Someone told me they're going to put up like a three or four story building. But it's like, it's just mostly just a very, very strange, strange place. Yeah. He's but they have like a weird Bastrop bodega or whatever it's called, the boring bodega.

Sorry. It's the boring bodega. Which is like in a like industrial, like some weird metal industrial building. Yeah. They got these... Whatever was like you could throw up quick fast. It's like that kind of building. Yeah.

It's a metal building, but it's like not even insulated. So it gets like super, super hot in the summer because, you know, you're supposed to insulate when there's bad for groceries. You don't want sure. Well, I mean, you know, but you really don't want your groceries to get hot. But like, what's the idea here? He's building this town. He wants all of his employees to live there. Is that the concept? I think the idea is that it's outside of other places with like a lot less regulation. But in order to get people to want to move there, they have to have some creature comforts. And there's housing, so they can buy houses far away.

But a lot of the people who work there are younger men. And he's like, oh, you know, we should just get up some like real quick and easy housing for them. And so what he has so far is just like 15 trailers. It was supposed to be 110 homes. I don't I hadn't I didn't see any proof that those were going up yet. But now there's gonna be like 20 more trailers. Yeah. Yeah, it's just to get housing and schools for his the he put up a Montessori school that's

I'm interested in the Montessori school actually. Did he go to Montessori? I don't know. Fascinating that that's the choice. I mean, I'm pro-Montessori. I didn't go, but Zelda did, and it seems like it did wonders. I only wish I had had the education that she's been receiving. The houses themselves are like, have you seen these? There's like some accounts, there might be one on Instagram. There's definitely a thing on the internet where it's pictures of men's bedrooms.

Oh yeah, it's bachelor looking. It's like mattress on the floor, TV propped up on a couple of milk crates. That's how the whole place had that feel. The whole town has a, yeah, not a divorced dad vibe, although it would be understandable. It has a vibe of like a just out of college, first apartment kind of feel to it from the photos and some of the descriptions. You know, like, would you say that was that how it felt to be there? Definitely.

It's kind of suburban man cave. But yeah, no, no, like mattress on the floor. You didn't see any mattresses on the floor, did you? No, no, no. Spare bathroom. I'm just giving a correlate. Like spare bathroom, but very dirty bathroom. You didn't see that though.

I wasn't allowed in any of the trailers. You weren't allowed to go into anybody's house. But everything, it's nice. It's like these people clearly, it's nice but then shoddy. For example, yeah, there's no insulation in the walls. You can't recycle any of the, you can buy adaptogen drinks and all these really fancy Whole Foods-y type things, but you can't recycle anything there. I think it's cool. I honestly have to like, I think it's a cool idea.

Like I'd love to start a town. That sounds like a lot of fun. Right. We've got a beautiful history in America. What's that? We've got a beautiful history of company towns in America being very successful. Well, I'm saying I think I'd be good at starting a town. I'm just, I'm just not even, let's, let's take starting a town. I want to take it out of the specific,

is it a good idea for Elon Musk to start a town? I'm saying the idea of starting a town is a cool idea. I can understand why Elon Musk would want to do it. Forget about the implications, the company town implications. I don't know if people know, but there's a history in this country of companies, like a coal company. They'll set up shop where the coal is, and then they'll build a town around it. They'll have the company store, and you can pay for stuff at the company store with your salary or whatever. You can be in debt to the company because you're getting things from

the company while working for the company. Anyhow, it was not a good setup. It's one of the things that, you know, unions were created to kind of break up. And I don't think he's going for that. I think he's going for like, how do I make this like a place that people want to go to if they're worried about the schools? I'll build them a school. If there's no stores with cool stuff nearby, I'll build them a store and that

sort of thing. It's just like he did such a shoddy job on all of it. Well, right. It's like, here's the thing that I was going to say is like, what would be cool is to build a really cool town, right? Yeah, to make it cool and interesting and like good looking. And like then it would be, then it would be attractive. Then people would be like, oh my God, I want to go work for this guy because you get to live in this cool, weird town that he built. But the town is like, it looks so, it looks like an Alibaba town is the best way I could describe it. I think it looks like a town built from things that you order, you can order from Alibaba. Like that you can get on. Oh yeah, yeah, I think that's right.

Like you get, they're like, we have, you know, houses here and they're like $14,000 Alibaba houses or whatever. That's the way it looks like to me. Like they ordered everything on Amazon for the town. Which is like really depressing. The playground that they have that has like no sun shade, like you wouldn't want your kids to be there in central Texas, like is absolutely like Walmart grade.

Like it's always broken. Everyone's telling me they're like the ladder's broken. No, no, no. I mean, like I'm looking at it right now. The stuff on the playground is like, it's not like professional playground stuff. It's stuff that if I want, I can order right now on Amazon and build it in my backyard.

And it's like, yeah, like Elon Musk has enough money and as do these companies to get like really cool stuff. And it is like so not any of that. And that's what's so wild to me is like you're looking at this like kind of shoddy broken playground that like is falling apart and across the street they're building like, you know, their million starlink internet like, you like giving people it's real like it's real yeah it's real like um it's like prison sort of like prison like I like I mean just I really encourage if you're listening to go and read this article um it's like and the photos are interesting it's just a downer, you know,

like he could do better, a lot better. I just think it's a great opportunity. Like it's a cool opportunity. And as honest, honestly, like, and I will, you know, I'm not like trying to stan Elon Musk or whatever, but like, you know, there are certain things you do got to give him. And one of them is I think just I think, just like, he definitely has, I can't speak to the modern Elon Musk, but he has a marketing sensibility. He's got ideas that are like marketing ideas that are a bit savvier than most people, from what I can tell. I don't think, I think a lot of this stuff is sort of like,

so I think a lot of the Tesla stuff is marketing, it's really just about positioning it in a certain way. The Cybertruck itself is a marketing vehicle. Well, for sure, no pun intended, or perhaps pun intended. But it's weird because this seems so, but maybe this is actually like, I mean, there was a video of, somebody did a test of a Cybertruck, you know, and they like opened a part of it up and inside there

was like duct tape and like extra like bolts that didn't attach to anything that had just been left in there. And I think maybe perhaps this is indicative of like the actual, maybe this is a, if we zoom out, this is a larger look at at what sometimes seems to actually be going on with Elon Musk, where it's like, this should be great. It's like, based on everything he tells us and everything we're supposed to believe about him, this should be the best. And then you go under the surface a little bit, and you're like, wait a second, actually,

this just has a bunch of duct tape inside of it and extra bolts that don't go anywhere. This town is like duct tape and extra bolts basically. It's like underbaked, not all the way thought out, pushed too hard and too fast. Yeah. But you can't pay, just to be clear, at the boring bodega, you can't pay for it with like a boring box or something, right? No, no. There's no like form of currency there. There's no script there. No, no, you pay with your credit card. Anyone could go in there. They have like a, it's gonna be a doctor's office. There's a pottery studio coming. There's a bar. No one's

in there. Yes, the place is totally empty though. Did you go to the bar? I did go to the bar. Did you get a drink at the bar? I did not get a drink at the bar. I just had some food there. I would have ordered, I would have ordered like a cocktail. That's a good idea. For me, you know.

Although I'm currently not really drinking, but if I were in the boring town, I would definitely see how good of a martini they could make. Yeah, it seemed kind of like a beer place. Like it had a lot of like a base on top. Okay, yeah, I understand that. I totally get it, but I'm saying I would want to see if they could make a good martini. Was there a bartender? There was a person, yeah. A person.

They had a flamethrower on the wall. Why wouldn't they have like a, they should have a robot bartender. They should have those robots. Which is, would actually be a person though, like controlling it from a distance. I don't care who's operating the robot, but it would be a cool move. Anyhow, did you have any feeling when you were down there that you wanted to move to Texas and live in his town? No, definitely not in his town. I mean, Austin's great, and even the town of Bastrop that a lot of the locals live in, which is 15 minutes

away, is a nice, lovely town. They're worried about him polluting the river and making it crappier, and the traffic's super bad. All all of a sudden when you're like, you drive from Austin and like there's no traffic until you get to Elon Musk's town, they've got all these construction vehicles there on these small roads. I mean, yeah. I mean, you know, Austin is cool, but like it's still in Texas. It's still in Texas. So like, there's still like people walking around with machine guns and stuff. Right. No, Austin is fun. But yeah. I do like I love Austin, you know, and it's been kept weird from what I understand. Or has it not?

Maybe it's not weird anymore. It was weird. I was just definitely not like, it's funny there was a big billboard in Bastrop that was like less weird, more wonderful, you know, to sort of differentiate itself from Austin, which wonderful, you know, to sort of differentiate itself from Austin, which is, you know, weird and liberal. And I just thought it was weird that, or interesting that Elon Musk was like, yeah, we're moving to Austin. And that is a good way to get a bunch of young Silicon Valley type people to move where you're going.

But that's not where he's bringing them. You know, it's, it's not Austin. Let's put it that way. Right, no, I mean, how far away is it from Austin? It should be 40 minutes, it's probably more like 50, depending on the traffic, an hour. Wow. Yeah. Okay.

I mean, that's really like way out there. It's way out there. I mean, would you move to Austin? I do like Austin. I don't think I would move to Texas this day and age. No. Personally, but it's one of the cities I really like in America,

but yeah, Texas is a rough place to be. Yeah, you don't think you'd wanna move the family there? I don't think so. No, it's too hot for me. Too hot? Yeah, but the taxes, I don't know, is there a good tax? Is it a good tax situation in Texas? They don't have something, right? They don't have income tax, but the property tax is pretty high. Um, yeah, so there's trade offs and you have to go to private school there.

Lots of people do private school because they don't like the schools. And I assume that has to do with taxes. I actually had a friend who was a New Yorker, very, very successful New York agency person. And he moved to Texas. He moved to Austin. And I was like, what are you doing? He was like, this is like pandemic era. He's like, I'm getting out of here. We're getting out. So many people did. Great tax situation, great weather, whatever,

something like that. He was like, then he moved. Then they moved a year later. And I was like, what happened? He was like, oh, people are being like crazy anti-Semitic to my kids in school. I have some issues, right? Yeah.

That's interesting. So he moved to Tennessee, which I don't know. It's probably an improvement in some way, maybe. I'm not really sure. But it's tough to transition from the Northeast to the Southwest. Right. Is Texas Southwest?

I guess it is. Yeah, that's how we call it. It's certainly south. Yeah. Certainly more west. I think that's fair. Anyway, well good for you, I think he's done it again. He's done it again.

Well, he also doesn't live there. He lives in Austin, but he has three mansions for his different kids and their mothers nearby each other and walking distance. I'm thinking about doing that as well, getting several mansions for my various families and their mothers nearby each other and walking distance. I'm thinking about doing that as well, getting several mansions for my various families. Like a big love situation? Yeah, yeah. I've never seen that.

That's a show, right? I've never seen it, but is that like a Mormon thing? Yeah, the idea is that you'd have like adjacent backyards so that people wouldn't know that you're in a polyamorous relationship. I don't think that's polyamory. I don't think the Mormons are doing polyamory. Is that what they're doing?

I don't know. Polygamy. Polygamy. Polygamy, sorry. Which is whatever. No judgment here. I'm like, do what you need to do to get by. It's the same thing with marriage, right? Well, yeah. But the marriage thing is that it raises legal issues. I think you can date as many people as you want, but if it verges into mayor... Of course, this is in our binary, cis-normative, het-normative society we live in. But anyhow, I'm not saying I'm pro-plagamere or whatever, but if that's what people want to do, I don't think we should...

Harjes'thurst-Klein He just wants all his kids nearby. Kline-Klein I think as long as everybody's happy. As long as everybody's happy and safe. I think that's the important thing. All right, what else is going on? Apple's getting into the chip business, joining Amazon. You told me Apple has improved its AI functionality. Yes. So now, there's a reason for that extra button that is on the... I don't have that button because I didn't get the new phone. So, you're missing out.

Wow, am I? Really? Are you using it a lot? Tell me about what the extra button does now for you. I'm updating right now on my phone as we speak. I'm going to get this update downloaded. So you could do everything except what I'm about to tell you. If you press the camera button, hold it down on something, I could then either search that

thing or I can ask questions about it. I can't use the other button they put on the last version of the phone to do that. Are you serious? No, you need the camera control button. Really? That's insane and so stupid. Especially because it's a programmable button.

Yeah. I think I'm going to switch full time to Android. I think I'm done. I mean, this was something that Google did a while ago, right? You could do this with a Google phone, use the screen to search the world around you. Yes. It's been a feature for a long time. It's also in the Google Lens app, I believe, on the iPhone.

I think you can just do that with any iPhone if you use Google Lens. Right. Yeah, I think it's even in my Google Search you could kind of do it. Just to be clear. Yes. So now you could do that on an iPhone.

So that's happening. I mean, it works. I've tested it out. It's like, it can tell me this is a bottle, or it could find the shoes in my house, and it tells me where I could buy them. I haven't found a practical use case yet. I'm sure it exists, but it also existed in a bunch of disparate apps.

I'm just checking this out right now on my BlackBerry that I've been playing around with. You have a BlackBerry? Does it do it in real life? I do have a BlackBerry. Every once in a while I'll pull out an old BlackBerry and use it because I'm like, man, I love BlackBerrys. So you figure out love you are I love blackberries. Yeah, this has this is a functionality that has been has existed and in in lens for some time I believe so So I just searched your face and it just pulled up your glasses. No, really?

What brand is it? What does it say? I have a few different one here Okay, give me the Ray-Ban, RBO7. No, another just black yes glasses. You're using the Apple intelligence function? Yeah, I'm using the Apple vision intelligence or whatever and it really just searches Google like it's usually. Does it? Okay I'm gonna try lens. Let's actually see what lens pulls up. I'm gonna film myself here. Hold on Search with your camera. Yeah, just pull up a bunch of black glasses. Okay, let's see what Lens does. This didn't pull up glasses. Does it just pull up your face and it's like...

Did it specifically look for the glasses? Yeah, that's what it looks up when I looked at you. Let's try it again. It's interesting. I like how it's product. I'm going to ask it, who is this? Okay, here we go. Glasses. Yeah, what'd you get? The RB 07 07 Ray-Bans?

None of these are my glasses. Okay. I just asked it, who is this? And it's trying to name that tune. Stop it, Siri. Oh God. Oh God. Who is it?

Who is it going to say? None of these are my glasses because my glasses are rare and expensive and Google can't even find them which is what I'm going for in life. It also just has like chat GPT integration now and sometimes depending on what you ask Siri it'll say do you want to ask chat GPT and you know but there's not like a surefire way to get there like just sometimes it offers it I guess and then oh yeah and then the cherry on the top. Guess what?

No, what? Generative emoji, genmoji. Uh, genmoji? Is that, sorry, is that like a emoji? Like, you mean like what Google's been doing with their like emoji mashups? Or is this like my face? It could be a bunch of things.

It could be your face, but it's also, it's just text to emoji. Like I say, you know, like I want a, I don't know, frog jumping over a rainbow and then it makes an emoji out of it. I mean, it's so- Look at that! Can I describe the image? Can you put it back up? Yeah, hold on. I wanna describe the image?

Can you put it back up? Yeah, hold on. I want to describe the image to the listener who is definitely logged off at this point. I'll do it. It's like a frog, like a cartoon, like frog the one with the little splatty fingers, which is like a type of frog.

I forget the name of them. Now, there's a rainbow in the background. It looks like it's also raining, fair. It actually seems to be on grass level, because you can see some grass. It's also in a square. When I think of an emoji, I think of an unbounded character. This looks like an app icon for a game called Rainbow Frog. That's what it looks like to me, a game called Rainbow Frog.

I don't even know what this is. Like a game called Rainbow Frog. I don't even know what this is. This is about a gay frog. It's a game where you play a gay frog. And I don't know. Sorry, this is just a new option that was on my phone. Like this is the icon that I got. And then I was like-

And what is it called? You don't have your labels on. I don't. You don't know what it's called. Turn your labels on. How do I do that? Oh my god, long press on the screen and then you hit the thing up in the corner and it says customize. And then you then you then you there's let me do that. Oh, playground. Okay, that was that was just that's just that's

just the image generation. Okay, but like I thought I don't want to have to come correct here Ronnie, but You're gonna be talking about generative AI to me you better know what you're saying, right? So it's not not genmoji. I Know that genmoji was supposed to be new Can you get is there some you know if my phone were done updating I'd obviously be able to speak to this but what we're talking about is like You're saying that there should be, I'm just going to look this up, man, forget it. Oh my God. Create Genmoji. Okay. With Apple intelligence, you can custom create Genmoji. Simply describe what you want. Okay. Yes, we're all reading the

support article for Genmoji. Okay, this happens inside of a chat experience. I want to catch everybody up if we had a huge edit here. It's very, very complicated to actually figure out where you can create a genmoji is a thing. It's a part of the new update in iOS. You can use it to create a custom emoji, but it is buried in the emoji selector. Only the Apple, obviously, has an emoji selector. Only the Apple, obviously, emoji selector.

I can't even access it right now because I'm still waiting for support to be downloaded on my stupid, shitty old iPhone that was last year's iPhone, which sucks. And anyway, so now I'm just waiting on my okay now and now I've sent you another frog jumping over a rainbow this time as a god okay okay genmoji as opposed to a image generated by the um by playground which is also new with this um 18-2 I just sent it back to you but that's just a fucking graphic. I know. It's not an emoji. Like, here's what an emoji is. For me, is like sending it back to the store. Oh, here we go.

Brain worm. Oh, that is disgusting. It is absolutely very upsetting to me. A brain with a bunch of tentacles coming out of it and a little cartoon eyes and then a worm coming out of the smell. It's legitimately upsetting. But is this emoji though, can I respond to you with this or do I have to send it as a separate image?

That's what it looks like. It's not, this is just a PNG. Yeah, exactly. I don't know what about this makes it a gen emoji. It's not an emoji. I want to be clear. Google's been doing this. They basically just ripped off the feature that Jennifer Daniel created at Google.

I want to just say something. There's a designer. Her name is Jennifer Daniel. She's a friend, but also a great designer. She was at Bloomberg, and she eventually went to Google. And she's in charge of their emojis. And she's basically responsible for, I don't know if you've ever seen it,

but they have these mashup emojis that you can create that are like like you can like have I was actually trying to show you one but Ironically the Blackberry that I'm using which has a physical keyboard does not let me easily Access the Google keyboard that I need to do it But in like Google I think you might I don't know if you can do it on like G board on on iOS but but it'll like make a mashup of different emojis, basically. And this is basically a version of this. I guess it's a little bit more like Choose Your Own Adventure. But just to be clear, it's a real ripoff.

It's a real ripoff, in my opinion. And I think it's rude. I think it's rude. I think they should credit her. I think they should give her a ton of money. I don't know, but I don't want to give anyone credit for this. This is not very good. The brain worm is the most, it's one of the most disgusting

things that's ever been. How did you do that, by the way? It's one of the most disgusting things that I've ever seen on my screen. I think I said, I just wrote brain worm. Okay, wait a second, wait a second. Actually, hold on, wait a second. I'm sorry, this is the worst podcast of all time,

but the brain worm actually seems to have sent, it actually is an emoji. Okay, hold on a second. Okay, this is weird. Your frog is not an emoji. Okay, hold on a second. Okay, this is weird. Your frog is not an emoji. Your frog is a PNG. Don't tell me with my frog. Wait, hold on. Wait a second. Wait a second. Emoji details. Nothing's coming out of skull. It won't do it. But if I do, wait a second. Hold on. No, these are stickers. These are simply stickers. Okay, okay, this is this is a sticker. What the fuck is that? That's horrific. I hate that. I mean, that's honestly disgusting and upsetting. You got to write about this. You got to write it.

You need to write about how it actually creates disgusting and upsetting emojis that are sickening. Like really, I was writing, can you please immediately write an article about how Apple's genmoji is creating disgusting and upsetting emojis that are sickening. I mean, I'm really... Can you please write... Can you please immediately write an article about how Apple's Genmoji is creating disgusting and sickening emojis that make people want to throw up upon a site? That are more like stickers and not really emoji, because I'm not... Forget about the sticker part. Okay.

It's to creating disgusting things that are horrible. I'm creating disgusting things. It's my fault. I did this. No, but I know, but it shouldn't allow you to do that. If only I had my functionality were working I could try it out. I can't with this. It's going to be new to I guess, you know, the half of people who have iPhones, right? Maybe they didn't have this before but it's like just because it's new to you doesn't mean it's new.

And it's been done better before elsewhere. It's just that this was like a release of them being like, you know, we're finally getting like more AI stuff. Like here's a new rollout, you got Genmoji, you got ChatDBT integration. I mean, I think the most useful thing is the camera thing, getting to search something in your real environment. It's just that that has already existed for a while. For sure, if you're living in a world

where you haven't been able to use Google Lens for the entire time that it's existed, then it's totally understandable. And I don't think this is better than Google Lens. It's probably just as good. Is it using Google? Yes. That's why. Right.

So it's not even trying to do something new. Yeah. You know? Right. Anyway. All right. OK, so that's great. So they got some new functions. You know? Anyway. All right. I think we talked. Okay, so that's great.

So they got some new functions. It's really cool. I think that's terrific. And mostly there's a reason for the button that was on there, which was kind of confusing to me. I was like, why is there another fucking button? And now they gave it a reason ditch. You have a, look at you using French and everything to justify.

And GPT told me that everything to justify these ridiculous options. Anyhow, okay, great. More meaningless AI. I mean, right now, AI is such a sideshow. I mean, except for where it's replacing people's work, where it's definitely not a sideshow. But then stuff like this is like, oh great, this is very important, I need to create, I need to burn fossil fuels to create a funny,

disgusting brain worm emoji. I have a feeling I'm not gonna stop doing this whole weekend, sorry guys. I don't think you should, I think you should see how disgusting it can get, how weird and upsetting you can make it. I'm sending them to you guys. All right, what else should we discuss? Is there anything else to discuss? I'm honest,

it's Friday. Am I allowed to say that? It's taken us three days to record this episode of the podcast because of our offsite and a variety of other things. Are there any other important technology stories we need to speak on? Reddit put AI search into its site so that Google doesn't just search it. speak on? Reddit put AI search into its site so that Google doesn't just search it. You can now like ask. I saw something, speaking of Google search, I saw somebody, a writer was skeeting, that's a blue, how do you say it, when somebody posts something on blue sky. They were skeeting about how they were like, it was like, I think it was Saeed Jones, who's

a writer, and he was like, what's the opening line of this Toni Morrison book? And Google AI just gave a completely wrong opening line, with total authority. And he was like, I can't believe this is what's going on. And it's like, yes, we don't even know yet all of the terrible ramifications of this AI in search stuff that's happening right now. By the way, I'm not anti-AI. I'm not

Ed Dittron. I think that AI can do some amazing things. Eventually, it will do amazing things. Right now, it does fewer amazing things. But it is kind of scary to consider how much of the internet is getting these little bits and pieces of just random total misinformation. Because these companies can't keep it in their pants, basically. These companies are so desperate to show any kind of progress that they'll just release an absolutely broken, dangerous, and I don't mean dangerous like it's going to blow up the world. I mean dangerous like it's going to make people dumber and less informed. They'll release this product into the world because they're just so desperate to prove

that they're doing something new. And I'm not going to blame society, but I will say we've just created all the wrong incentives for businesses. Businesses used to, there was a period where businesses made things because they were legitimately useful. People were like, God, I have to chop these onions. I'm chopping onions all the time. It's so much work to chop the onions.

I just want to make soup for my family. And yet the onion chopping is getting in the way of it. And somebody was like, what if we made a machine that chopped the onions for you? And that was a huge innovation. It just saved hours and hours and hours of onion chopping. And tears, so many tears. And now it's like, now we're like, what if we made a machine that made the onions this different color?

And people are like, well, I don't need that. I think it can be useful. They're like, you can make your onions green if they're white. And we're like, OK, I guess. They're still white onions. But onions green if they're white. And we're like, OK, I guess. Like, they're still white onions. But that's where we're at. To me, it seems like it can be very useful if you think of it very narrowly defined as like, OK, this task

was difficult to do before. Now it can do this. And it's like a narrowly defined task for certain jobs. But the way they talk about it as taking over the world, it's just so eye-rolly that people can't tolerate that. But I'm saying we're giving it jobs that no one needs to have done. I mean, we're giving it jobs that are not...

I think the best example of this is the, and I've talked about, certainly I'm sure I've talked to you personally about it, but I don't know if I've, and I'm sure I've probably talked about it on a podcast here or there. In my old Tesla, the Model Y, which I no longer have, it had the visor that would go down that protected your eyes from the sun. I'm sure I've talked about this. This to me is the most perfect example of this. They are held on with clips on every car. They've been held on with clips. They work fine. You put the thing in the clip, when you're not using it or when you just need to fold it down, you take it out of the clip. If you need to swing it over, it works fine. In the model Y, they made it use a magnet. The magnet was weak.

I'm sure they are to this day. When you moved it, it would fall off the magnet. So innovation for the sake of innovation, not because it needed to be. It was like nobody wanted it. Nobody needed it. It doesn't improve anything. It doesn't, it's not actually solving a problem. It just was like, it's a little different, right? I think technology is in a place where a little different or some parlor trick is being touted as a feature, as a thing that people need. And I'm not saying we should only make things

that people need, but I'm saying when it comes to being innovative in the world of technology, I think thinking of a problem that people have and then solving that problem should be at the top of the list of things you're doing. And I can think of a thousand things about how smartphones work and our devices work that could be better that no one seems to be working on whatsoever. For instance, Apple's idea to solve the notification problem. Notifications are a problem.

Most people are ignoring them because there's just a bunch of shitty noise that you get in this linear, useless fashion. It's a very bad experience. And Apple's innovation to fix it was to basically restate what's in the messages in a slightly less clear manner, I would say, and then sort of combine those into a couple of semi-colon separated statements. Which, wild to me, though, is that it gives me stuff from my Gmail that my Gmail knows is junk. It's like, this is on sale.

Are you having it summarized? Is it summarized in your... Oh, it's doing mail summaries. I don't use mail. Yeah, it's doing mail summary. But I just think it's so funny that Gmail has a tool for years that would have put this mail in my spam folder or in my promotions folder. And Apple's like, let me summarize that for you.

Yeah. I mean, so I guess what I'm saying is I think there are real opportunities to make improvements in technology. And actually, people like Google and Apple sit at the mouth of the river. They literally could do anything they want. They could make any change they want to. They could make any innovation. They could try any innovation.

And the stuff that's being produced is just so utterly devoid of utility and so wrongheaded in its approach. I'm not complaining about the genmoji thing. It's a fine, fun little toy. But I would like them to put engineering hours and time into solving actual problems like there are real like it's still like not very easy I'm sure I've said this. Find the genmoji. No it's still not very easy to copy and paste stuff on your iPhone it's like that could be improved like there

are things you could do there's like the apps like the app the home screen experience is bad like notifications are bad and cluttered. Email is a nightmare. Like there are so many things you could innovate on. Look, I think here's the thing. We've had a very long week, Ronnie and I, and we gotta wrap this thing up. And as much as we loved screaming at the listener,

screaming with the listener, I think we gotta wrap this week. Any further, any other thoughts, any important things we need to think about before the week is out technology related? No, nothing. Not a one. I'm just desperate. I just want somebody to make technology that's cool and good and like does something like something useful. Is that too much to ask from the world? Next week I'm coming in with four tweets then though, because we can't just not do it. I don't care.

Come in with four tweets. Okay, fine. Do you want to read some Elon Musk tweets? Really quick. I'm so sick of talking about Elon Musk. I'm so tired of it. I want to ban Elon Musk from this podcast. I know, just the richest man in the world and does a lot of things.

Okay, so in one tweet he's quoting Donald Trump who said, any person or company investing $1 billion or more in the United States will receive fully expedited approvals and permits, including but no way limited to all environmental approvals get ready to rock. Basically the idea is if you spend a billion dollars on something, you don't have to worry about, I'm going to spend a billion dollars on just dumping toxic waste into our waterways. It's a good way to get rid of toxic waste. Southwick-Klein Is that correct? Will that work?

Southwick-Klein If you have a billion dollars, if you're investing... Kline Yeah, I have a billion dollars. I personally have a billion. I only have one billion. I'm going to spend it on dumping toxic waste into the most used water areas of America, where people swim. Jones-Piasecki So basically, he's above the law. He's like, this is awesome. And then I just want to contrast this with this other tweet that I just found real upsetting. He says, in most cases, he's quote tweeting someone else, someone else who shared us a SF Chronicle article about homeless people and housing. And it says in most cases, the word homeless is a lie.

It's usually a propaganda word for violent drug addicts with severe mental illness. So on one end, the billionaire gets to do whatever he wants. And on the other hand, he's shooting on like people who do not have homes. The thing I really take away from when I read tweets like that from Elon Musk is he is tweeting like it sounds like the kind of thing an angry 14 year old would like say, like doesn't really know. Maybe they've read something a little bit about, maybe they saw an article somewhere or a friend told them something.

And then they're like, they're kind of trying to be like provocative and like get a rise out of people and like, as teenagers do. And they're like, that's the, the approach is like kind of a shock. It's kind of a shock sort of thing. Like, like he knows that what he's saying is stupid and not true. I think, I think it's uncool. Well, I think that, but I think it's more like he just didn't, he just decided to say it because like he thought it would would be provocative and get a rise out

of people. But of course, he's the richest man in the world. I mean, it's so fucking lame. I don't know what else to say. Never before has such a mismatch of intellect a mismatch of like intellect and opportunity and privilege been like on display where it's like, he's managed to like harness all of his, all of his money and power

and put it towards the most pathetic, loser-y things to say and do. Are you saying that's a worse tweet than the billionaire tweet? Either way, he gets whatever he wants for investing a billion dollars? Definitely worse than the billionaire tweet. It's definitely worse than the billionaire tweet. It's an epic loser tweet, like a loser tweet of epic proportions. Just like, he sounds like a dumb guy who doesn't know anything, talking out of his ass.

Like, and it's like just embarrassing because, I mean, there's probably a more interesting version of that tweet, like if he could use his brain, which he apparently can't. We forgot Feature or Bug. Vetoing Feature or Bug this week, because I'm tired. Okay, we gotta go. Okay, great. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow.

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