Tomorrow - Episode 100: With Paul Ford

Episode Date: September 6, 2017

For the 100th episode of the Tomorrow podcast, Josh welcomes the show's most frequent and perhaps quintessential guest: Postlight co-founder and former Dipperz executive Paul Ford. Over many cups of Tito's, the two pals reminisce about the highs and lows of Tomorrow's first 100 episodes. They share laughter about parenting, reflect on the nature of the universe, and devolve into debates about Carly Rae Jepsen and why Bluetooth still doesn't really work most of the time. Though Episode 100 marks the end of yesterday's Tomorrow, it makes way for the Tomorrow of tomorrow, which is now the Tomorrow of today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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In fact, he told me that he would do his own introduction. Paul take it away. Hi, I'm Paul Ford. I'm a friend of the show. It's been around for, I've been on this show about seven, 800 times. That's right. You like the show's, you're more than a friend. I'm literally just, I'm very local.

Yeah. You're the shows, you know, like part time lover. Hi Paul, here are five sentences to cover of the fact that we've planned terribly. By the way, could you come down to the, this is good. No, but I'm here. I'm here.

Paul, thank you for being here. It's great to be here. I mean, I hope if you've listened to this podcast and let's be honest, you probably have, if you're listening to it now, you've probably heard Paul before. He's, I don't want to say he's my favorite guest because I don't want to be rude to all the other guests, but you're between us, just between us. He's my favorite.

We have a good time. I have a great time here because she's not doing me say make sense. No, I just sort of kick you. I kicked the legs out from under you. I think that's the key. You were just telling me about how I was, we were talking about, and we're going to talk about this later in the show, I'm not going to talk about it right now, about this is the hundredth episode of tomorrow, if you can believe it.

It's a me. Is the math right on that? Is the math right, Ryan? Yeah. It's 100 episodes. It's a me. It's a me. It's a me.

You're including them, any so. Well, you know, not including them, any so. But there was time, you're talking. You're talking across to 100, all right? Roll it back. It's a hundred, you know, not including the minute. But there was time you're actually crossed a hundred. Roll it back. It's a hundredth episode. It's a big deal. It's our hundredth episode. It's like the millennium. It's sort of. It's actually like the will. But where I have a reboot in mind for the show, are you going to change it up?

It's not just going to be. I'm done with this. I'm done with this. This is over. I'm the last guest. No. not just going to be talking to us. Yeah, I'm done with this. I'm done with this. Oh, really? This is over. I'm the last guest. No, but you're the last guest of the first era of tomorrow.

That's actually pretty fitting for my role. I'm happy with this. Yeah, but then we're going to talk about it because you were like, I told you one of my ideas for the reboot and you said that it was low stakes. Yeah, that's right. You want to see it. You want to see me, I'm not going to say what it was because we're going to get into it. I can't do it yet because I want to catch up with you want to see me, I'm not going to say what it was because we're going to get into it.

I can't do it yet, because I want to catch up with you. All right, fine, fine. But it was, it was, it sounds to me like you want to see a reboot where there's more, more bodily harm will come to me. Listen, there's a thing going on where I'm like, I'm a, I run a services firm now. I'm just being in media where it was like, let's, let's damage ourselves.

Have we mentioned you're the co-founder of Post Light? No, we have a really. The leading media shop, new media. Let's damage ourselves. Have we mentioned you're the co-founder of Post-Light? No, we have a really... A really... Media shop. New media. Oh, yeah, new shop CD-ROMs. We have a device that duplicates CD-ROMs. Yeah, actually, in the...

Did you just get a second one? Oh, it's so good. You can do like, like, a deck forward it out. Yeah, you can make mixtapes, but they're on CD. I don't know if you knew that. You'd actually like put them all together. I think they're calling them mixed D's. Yeah, you know, it's crazy.

And there's, David Bowie's releasing a like one with video on it. It's really cool. It's really cool. He's dead anyway. Extremely weird and uncomfortable for every wide. Can I just, so it's done? Can I just chill for like 10 seconds?

Yeah, yeah, oh yes. Hey, if you want to get in touch, just send me an email, paul.fortipostlight.com. My company builds big web things like platforms and apps and things you don't really know. Gives a little taste of something you've built recently. You know what you think about it? Sure, we did vice news.

That's a media website you might have heard of. You did the front end, the back end. Both, yeah. Everything, actually, we're building a big platform for vice for all of their content. We're all there big platform. We relaunch the village voice. We've done works for everyone from the Obama foundation to Goldman Sachs. They all come and sit around the table at post like they all come to post like Obama Goldman Sachs vice. They all get around the table and they talk about the future media with post like a little work with Bloomberg. Bloomberg, it's called the Bloomberg magnifying glass.

Yeah, the way it's called. Well, it's just, it's the Bloomberg, it sort of lives along with Bloomberg. It had a name like lens and then it's Bloomberg lens. Yeah, yeah. So that shows you things. You know, anyway,

anyway, you guys, you know, doesn't matter who's, it doesn't matter who's money it is, you'll take it. It's enough ad. I don't want to advertise anymore. Here's a hot new, it's a hot, you'll take it. It's enough ad, I don't wanna advertise it. And we're supposed to hot new. It's a hot new, we are hopping, it's exciting. Hot new web services provider.

Yeah, just bringing it, absolutely. Paul, Paul is there for you when you need it. Oh, when you need your mind spring email address, call me up. If you're trying to set up your Earth Link account and having trouble, call Paul Ford. I can get you to Polsky five at Earthling at Earthling. You get to be to Polsky five. Yeah, yeah. We'll call down the customer service in Georgia right now as huge. So anyhow, Paul and I are having

a we are having a drink of vodka with a La Croix, Pompel mousse, which is French for grapefruit. I have to be frank with you. I did not think this would taste good, but the Pompel mousse plus the Tito's handmade vodka which is Austin, that's an American. What I love is it's handmade but it's literally in like a five-nil in jug. I brought it size to the hand. This is known as in circles, in drinking circles, that's known as a handle. I'm telling you what, I'm gonna kind of go in on this.

I'm feeling, I'm feeling like I'm gonna get fucked up. Well, not fucked up, but just like, you know, I'm telling you what, I'm gonna kind of go in on this. I'm feeling, I'm feeling like I'm gonna get fucked up. Well, not fucked up, but just like, you know, I'm here, there's free vodka in the middle of the room. Let's have some fun. Post like, you know, they're doing well, but they can't afford alcohol. Yes, that's right. Sincerely, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No matter how much Shane Smith, that hard money Shane Smith gives you, still can't buy your own head, look at he does. And that's where I come in. I love all my clients. Who's your favorite client if you had to choose one? Just like I chose to use my favorite guest. Oh, they're all great.

Really, they're all just fantastic. Did you work, like you and Shane Smith, did you work close together? Yeah, I gave him piggyback rides. He was like, I want to fuck this shit up, man. I just want to fuck it the fuck up. And you're like, we got that. We have a tool behind the CD duplicator.

Slightly different altitude that we work at. You know, he's got work to do. That's good. Different altitude. Yeah, everybody's happy. That's the important part. Anyhow, Paul is a creative genius and also just a regular genius.

He's not only a man responsible for the future of media on the internet, but he also is a tremendous and tremendously talented writer. I'm sure you know this because you've read his, of course, his seminal piece in Bloomberg Business Week. What the fuck is code? The clock is ticking. That was a couple years ago now. Well, what are you going to do now? No, I'll save you, Rick. Really? It's a... Well, you're in since that, actually.

That's a good... I did. I had a column with the new Republican. Oh, that's right. New Republican. Are you still doing that? No. They fired you. Was's a good. I did. I had a column with the new republic. Oh, that's right. Your new republic, were you still doing that? No. They fired you. Was it a fire? No, I knew how it came in.

It was very mutual. I mean, anyone would say that, obviously. But it was just sort of like, I didn't want to hustle anymore. I had the business going. A column is a pain in the ass. Everything, look, everything's a pain in the ass. You have two kids. You have two beautiful children.

I do their twins. They're twins. They're twins and they're almost six. They're like full grown kids. Yeah. You don't have time for, you have a business that you're a co-founder of and you run and you are hands-on-wet.

I'm talking to somebody else about a column right now, but anyway, we're great. Well, I haven't heard anything at the outline. Not even a whisper. Yeah, no, that's probably true. I haven't heard a whisper of this, but it's exciting. I just subscribed to all the newsletters. Anyhow, in the podcast.

So the last thing you were writing was the new Republic column. I was not worried about me anymore. I'm just called like, it was called like, binary, it was like, so I had a collage. Digits, by Paul with Paul Ford. That's the point I want to get to. I want to get to the with point in a column

where it's just like, scriddly brew I've ready to offer you is this a with Josh to Polsky this show. It's we should change it for the reboot Ryan, what do you think tomorrow with Josh which Polsky? This is a tomorrow with No, it's not yes, it is. It's tomorrow. I think he's right tomorrow With Josh the with the entire listening audience is looking at their phones right now. It's tomorrow. I think he's right. Tomorrow. It's right. With Josh. The entire listening audience is looking at their phones right now.

It's just tomorrow. It's just like this. It's a false. It's like when you flip over to brand, I haven't done the brand flip yet. But you want to do an ally in column. It can be with Paul Ford. It can just be with Paul Ford to be really good in for a column. Oh, it's great.

That's because we can just go nowhere like I normally do on the express bus to work. Just Paul Ford. Just Paul Ford. Just Paul Ford. I guess that's true. express bus to work. Just fall for it. Just fall for it. Um, the, I, I guess that's true. Is it true? Did you just check it out? It's true. It's true.

You know, I need to reboot. Yeah. When you reboot it, you should probably learn the name of it. So Paul, what's going on out there? Okay, it's a crazy time. What's the last time we talked? It was, I think, a few months ago. Yeah.

You were very down in the dumps about Trump. Yes. You were feeling very upset, of course, as a man with children and a career. Well, let me ask you a framing question. How are things going here from the outside that looks like they're going well? At the outline?

Yeah, or just in life. But no, I mean, the outline seems to be selling advertisements. I mean, we're doing, you know, well. Okay, so you launched a business that is not a media business that has not died in six months. Well, you know, yeah, it's basically true. Yeah.

You know, I wouldn't say that we're like, we're not like Buzzfeed level. I mean, we're not like just printing money, you know, I mean, we're, this is a battle. I mean, we're battling every day for people's attention but also like for my and share. But our business model is super fucking weird. Like, we don't publish that much stuff.

We publish things that are relatively provocative and like can raffle feathers. We don't work with advertisers the way most people work with advertisers. We don't do programmatic, we don't do banners. By the way, are you asking me to do a pitch for the business? No, I'm just like, here's the thing.

I thought it was all over when Trump won. Yeah, well, yeah. I thought, well, here we go, because you remember, you know, but then in retrospect, it just takes a while to destroy the American economy. It's only been a few months. I was just talking about this today. Right.

I said, I was just saying, like, I don't think we've started to really feel it yet, because we're still coasting on some Obama era stuff. Oh, tell it. No, it's coming. It's going to come. The crash is coming. There's no way you can have this, and this level of corruption without implosion, unless,

I mean, maybe we've entered this bizarre surreal world where like the markets are no longer connected to the overall political or social health of the republic. Well, it's all just like pivot to video. It's all just like souped up PCs straight on their own. I mean, the truth is there is a bunch of a flash trading going on that has nothing to do with you. It's a turbo-biting. That is what's happening.

You just got day trading. It's F out S. You know what I'm gonna do if I- If I- Day trading terminals, and I would bring the turbo button back. Yeah, turbo. Remember when PCs used to have you hold it down or something? No, you hit that turbo button.

But it was like suddenly your PC was just jet powered. No one, it never worked. That's, I have a large turbo button next to all of my computers. That's, I, you should stop turbo button. You should just sell it like the accelerator system. For five or two. I bought a, a company makes a wheel.

You can get it to big wheel. I think it's like, I want to say it's, it's not logitech, but it's a logitech adjacent. It's very, It's very cool. And you can buy it to USB wheel and you can also push the wheel. It has two functions. It can be turned and it can be pushed. So you can set the volume on any.

Yeah, I set it on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you can push the wheel and pawn. But I set it up at one point to send a tweet. Like you could, you know, it would like put the tweet out When you get a button like any like Josh hit the button. Yeah, it was like a power move Wow, so I've always wanted to create Hardware that was for very specific tasks. Oh

Very specific and pure tasks like turbo. I once had a big Curtswild keyboard. Yeah, watch model. Key 1000. Beautiful model. Beautiful. And weighted weighted keys. Yeah, full midi. And of course, I couldn't play piano, but I had this stupid thing. And size like, oh, you know what, I can start to automate my life using midi into the computer. I'll program, all right, little programs. I'll hit a key and it will do certain things like it over the words How fair is billard did it? Yeah pretty much pretty fair is billard got out of everything and so I'll just use his keyboard Probably spent you know a month on that in 1999 just getting that never not one thing worked ever you didn't produce any tech now or anything

Nothing because I know cuz you know I couldn't make I'm garbage You're a garbage person. I am terrible So I just would hit the button and then nothing would happen then I debug that and that went on for a while and then I thought like something that was now. Are you married at the time? No, I was just like is if you had a spouse That sounds like it's very wrong with Paul actually we have to get I got rid of that monitor because we lived above a guitar Guitar that keyboard we lived above a guitar store, and we had an semi-legal washer dryer situation, and the floors were really bad, so we ruined five guitars by a flood.

Oh, dripping. Yeah, we ruined two guitars. I wasn't keeping it. What was the store? I was a little guitar store in third avenue in Brooklyn's Gaunt, long gone. What was it called? Something guitars.

I guess it's been a while, man. It's been like while, man. It's been like six years. It became a restaurant. No, no, no. It became a restaurant called The Pines after. It first became a place called Tony's Bagels. This is in, this is in, where is this?

Dippness. Oh, Dippness. We're headed towards Dippness. This was, I guess you go on as, huh? Yeah, go on as, you're go on as pioneers. Anyway, regardless. People not from New York have no idea what we're talking about. No, no, let's carry a horrible one. Anyway, I had to, I guess you go on as high as I know. Yeah, go on as you go on as pioneering. Anyway, regardless. People not from New York have no idea what we're talking about. No, no, let's carry a horrible one.

Anyway, I gave them my synthesizer as payment for flooding their guitar star. That seems like a really bad trade. If I loved guitar and you ruined my guitar, and you gave me a keyboard in exchange, I feel like it would be even more insulting than having to ruin my guitar. No, it was like, oh, your guitar is broken.

Here's the Curse Wild K 1000. It was just like, it was kind of not clear whose fault everything was. And so, so it was just like, well, look, how about you take our synth and they're like great. So you said that you thought the Trump was going to ruin everything. Yeah, I did.

But now tell me, do you not feel that that happened? Or you think it's a slow way? I think it's just a slow way. I think it's just, it hasn't quite filtered into the everyday work-a-day life of people like us. Yeah. You know, you just, I feel it acutely, really. I mean, I'll say this. Near and media though, you're actually writing stories

about the stuff. Well, yeah, just like when I think about what the outline, some of the plans we had for the outline, pre-Trump, there were things that I thought like, oh, we'll be doing this type of thing, and then by the time Trump won, it seemed like, well. You were like, how about some fun comics about space? Yeah, I like some frivolity, some light stuff.

Yeah, and now it's like, no, I mean, we're still doing a little bit of that. What is this? In media, I think it's created this tremendous sense of focus around a very narrow set of subjects. So science, great instinct. You might have done more about like space or whatever. Now you're going to do climate change.

Right. Well, it's also, yes, it's also like, it feels like the gravity of what is worth talking about his shift. That's right. Like, you know, and I had already, I mean, listen, when I left, when I left Vox in the Virgin, went to Bloomberg, I was already kind of like the gadget thing and the tech thing is like it has turned into a much bigger cultural. This is tricky.

You're a general interest publication, but you have it. It's a narrow interest moment. Well, but also our interests are relatively narrow in that there's a general like we could cover anything we want, but there are things that we certainly won't cover. Like Game of Thrones recaps, you know, or like, or like, dissections of Game of Thrones or, you know, did you write this thing you missed about certain things? Like a weekly podcast about Westworld. Okay, that's a little different.

Is it? Actually our podcast about Westworld was not a dissection of the episodes of Westworld, but it is a dissection of the Reddit and fan theories about the episodes of Westworld. Really something. So if you had spent any time listening and also our own theories, what's the media? What should we be doing right now?

Well, I'm not saying it's wrong to do the recaps. I just felt like, you know, just to comment on what we do now. No, I was a sleep madman recapper, so I've been there. I know what it's like. And by the way, I'm rewatching madman, which is really interesting in the age.

First off, if you've seen madmen and you then you had a kid, madmen's a really different show. You notice how seriously fucked up they treated the kids. I'm kind of saving it too, because I started an agency type business. Well, this is also, when they, as a spoiler alert for mad Men, by the way, God, we are all over the place here.

If it's for Mad Men, there's a part where they break off and form their own agency. And that happened, I think, right around the same time that we were starting, you know, the verge and the birth of kind of Vox media. And it's, you know, it's sort of the Vox media brand. And there's a lot like going into it now, I'm like, I remember high felt. I was like, it's like these people at TV are doing something so similar.

It's like branching out on their own. But what I was saying is, you know, I think there's enough of that stuff that like with Game of Thrones that, yeah, you have to kind of pick in shoes. And so we don't do that stuff. And you know, it's, there is a narrower, a lot of that stuff feels very frivolous to me. Like a lot of the stuff that I read elsewhere feels frivolous to me, feels regurgitative

and duplicative. Some of it's really good, some of it isn't, a lot of it is not. And I feel like we're inundated now by this weird kind of like on the one track is like just overwhelming information about Donald Trump and his coterie of bad guys. It just overwhelming flood of nonstop. You know what you're seeing? This is actually we're experiencing this life because when we would sit down and talk before Trump, it'd be like, here's five subjects, Apple watch, cats, whatever. Yeah, right. And we literally just sat down and we're like, whoa boy, cats in the age of Donald Trump.

Yeah, I really screwed. No, and then it's like, but on the flip side, it's like, it's like, there's other stuff. There's like, like, the new Apple, look, there's an iPhone. Let's get people some relief. You want to talk about the iPhone? Let's talk about anything but Donald Trump. What's some stuff get people some relief. You want to talk about the iPhone? Let's talk about anything but Donald Trump stuff I miss stuff. I understand that the screen will be largest you can see more of Trump's Tweets when he doesn't eat storm you can see all of the In one view. It'll just be the iPhone Donald Trump edition. It's actually it's actually they have a mode where it'll

Compact as tweets no matter how long this literally every app is just gonna be Donald Trump tweeting You just open it up and we'll be Donald Trump. My dream is that someday, here's what I like to think about is that I hope that my daughter doesn't get old enough. Hope that Donald Trump is gone from the kind of daily conversation before my daughter is old enough to know who Donald Trump is. You know, it's really intense in Brooklyn

because my kids, you know, they come back from kindergarten and they're like, they're little MAGA hats on. No, they're little friends who wear like hijab. They're like, oh, she probably has to leave the country. No, it's a fucked up nightmare. Yeah, no, no, no, it's just like seeing it in the middle of a very, we're in a ridiculously

diverse neighborhood. Nothing, and it's just like seeing it up close and seeing it through the kids, and you know, we end up going and standing with, we're standing in front of the elementary school kind of holding science thing. You were welcome here. Like, that is literally the stuff we're doing. No, it's great.

I was thinking about this the other day. It's like, we have like literal, like, someone died during a protest. Yeah. A gut, like, a racist neo-Nazi protest and then like an anti-racist neo-Nazi protest. Like, we are now in a state of living where in this country, people are dying in the streets literally while protesting Trump and his policies and the people that surround him.

And it's like, it's pretty fucking weird place to be. But you know what it brings to mind? The whole thing that the science is pretty fucking weird. Yeah, I know. But what it brings me back to is why hasn't Bluetooth gotten better? I think of the new iPhone. Mm-hmm. They're gonna have a whole new Bluetooth.

Yeah, that'd be great. Green tooth. Okay, first of all, the stupid little headphones number caught on. I mean, Bluetooth is bad. It doesn't stick out. It's sticking in my car. Are those Bluetooth or are they like special Apple phones? Which one would it mean the little little little iPhone? Yeah, it's like an oh the the um you got

Yeah, they have a large enough Bluetooth. Okay, so they have blue apples got its own thing So it's got in the same way that I'm gonna use my apples air pods. Yeah, yeah Okay, so they have their own just like their own cables, right? Yeah, okay, I can't do Trump We got it. We got to talk't do Trump. We gotta talk about. I don't wanna talk about Trump. Headphones. Like, cut out that whole Trump part. Do you think about headphones very much?

Oh, that's honestly, what do you do? Okay, let's talk about this for a second. I think this is a good place to destroy this podcast. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do it. Ryan, my understanding is that you've been eating a lot of hello for Ashley lately. Yeah, it's my main source of energy. It's like the stain that's made. It's powered your... Yeah.

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See, I'm a big breakfast fan. Yeah. But I don't, I do not have a lot of time in the morning. Which is why a Hello Fresh option might actually make a lot of sense. Because it's all there for you. Don't have to, when you wake up, you don't have to say. You don't have to think about it. I'm like, what am I going to cook? It's like, it's an ice. It's literally saying you have to do what to do.

And the box is speaks to you. There's an audio source inside the box. That's not true. That you can use like a Siri type of no assisted. Nope. That will tell you how to cook a meal. That wouldn't even be necessary. It's not a thing that happens.

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Yeah, yeah. Do you remember any of them? You know, it's very hard to remember most of them because you know, maybe you don't know this, but I go into a fugue state during these. And when I leave, I don't take any of it with me. No, yes. And I don't remember it. And when I listen to it, if I listen to it afterwards.

Crickin' alive when you're here. This is where I'm closest to the edge, you know? And people can't see you, but there's just like sweat. It's like I almost green. This is like, this is my workout. Yeah, this is where. We have to keep cutting the broadcast because you keep leaning over to the side

and go, God damn it! This is also my therapy. This is my workout and my therapy. It's like you combine a hard physical workout with hard like intense psychotherapy. And Tito's. And Tito's, that's what this is. There's an actual anvil in here.

People don't know that. You're sitting here with a sledgehammer. I walk in and Tupulski is just like, I'll suck her show you. And that's exactly, and I do that voice of times. Yeah, at any rate. So, so your blank outrage is a hundred of those, do you feel better?

You know what, I don't know. What is feeling? I don't know. What is better? I know that it's that there's a lot of holes in the wall where your fist is going through. Yeah. Well, it wasn't my fist actually. It's fine. It's different kind of business. You know what? We do it differently here at the outline. That's the thing that you need to know. Sure. When I started this podcast, I was still a Bloomberg. Put that in your fucking mind for a second.

I was working at Bloomberg full-time when I began tomorrow. You can travel back two years later. Remember this, I think I was on it and then it was like, take a trip. I'm not at Bloomberg anymore. Take a trip the next day. Through your mind's eye to 2014. Can I hit the Tito's again? Please, my God, I'm worried though.

Are you sure? No, no, this is, maybe just, you know, just freshen me up. Just a little perk up, you know, I'm starting to feel like this podcast might be going somewhere. Honestly, this is running low, but I'll let you have the,

yeah, hit me up a little more of the Pampo Moose. Yeah. I believe it's pronounced Pampo Moose. Remember that band Pampo Moose? No, I don't. There were the ones who did the cover of like single ladies by Beyonce. I hate ironic covers.

No, it's like that woman in Portland just staring at the camera and then they would double it up. Sounds ironic. It's like, it's like the guys, it's like the, it's like Limp Biz get doing a cover of Faith. No worse than ironic is Ernest. Like, this is very Ernest. That's all Ernest.

That's literally you just described every YouTube performer. Yeah, absolutely. Like a Tajik Hall. That's too much. That's how Selena Gomez got her start. No, I don't think it's true. No, Ariana Grande did. Oh, yeah, Ariana Grande. It's how she Gomez got her start. No, I don't think it's that. No, I ain't a grounded in. Oh, yeah, I ain't a grounded touch.

You got her start. All right, we need to start this thing over from the beginning. Hi, I'm Paul Ford and I'm a friend of tomorrow. I'm very glad to be back here. I'm a business person as well as a writer. And we can talk all about that. But honestly, here's what I'm going to do. That's so true.

I'm going to show myself for like 10 seconds. And then I'm the co-founder of a company called Post Light. We build a question on our platform. When you use something on your browser, it's really cool. If you've ever used a browser, you got to. So post like there.

Post like there. We're in your all your webs and your apps. Have you ever looked at anything on your browser? Because if you have, you probably saw. I've been post like on product. That's me. Let me ask you a question on Post Light. Please go ahead. Let's talk about saw the post like that. That's me. Let me ask you a question about post light.

Please go ahead. Let's talk about that name for a second. Okay. After the light. Mm. The light happened. This was the thing. We didn't post it.

We sat down a little, had a drink and just like we're doing now. Just had a jug of tea that's out. Jug of tea that was starting to knock that bad boy down. And so I was talking with my business partner, Richard Ziyadi. And we came up with a lot of very bad names, and then Post-Light showed up in the dictionary. I was like, okay.

Have we talked about this before? No, no, no, no. Have we talked about this before, Ryan? No, no. The whole point of, so I was like, oh, that's cool. It's like an actual thing. It's a little light.

Like if you Google it up until we got better SEO, the first thing we'll pop up was this little light that you put out in front of your house and it's just like, you know, on the post. Yeah, yeah. And so, like, here we are. Yeah, and so, like you're a traveler, like you're a hobo. Yeah, you're traveling down the road

during the depression and then you see a light in the distance. That's right, a little post like there. And you go to the house and you go to the house and a young Don Draper is there. Well, so there's a couple things going on with it. Right? So first of all, it's an actual word and you could get the URL free, not insane amount

of money. So that's a good deal. How much do you pay for it? I was. Like a couple grand, like nothing, like that's not bad for a good URL with a simple name that you've chosen. But to Polsky, this is steel. Yeah.

So we are really happy about that. You bought it from like a domain supplier? Yeah, it was like he typed it in and it was like, do you want to buy this domain? And we threw him a number and they were like, yeah, I don't know. The outline was more expensive than a couple grand. That's the thing, right? It's very, people don't know.

You have to do this. It's a kind of formalized extortion. Anyway. The verge cost $50,000. That's not crazy. Not too bad. Not too bad. Not too bad. It was a website that had not been updated in 1999,

also it was an ISP called The Verge. So we were very, I was aware that it had a couple of meetings. One is like, it's a thing that's nice. You look it up and it is something. It's a light in the darkness. It's like almost like a small lighthouse when you think about it. But it has nerd insider. Ah, here we go.

The word, the verb post has a very specific meaning to nerds. Yeah, like fix it in post. No, like, uh, you put a post, you put a post up on the internet. Like you post a form. You use a verb. It's, it's, yeah, and you're building your rest based APIs. You use post and also just in case, so not even like you're posting a blog post. Yeah, yeah. Or like you'll fix it in post like you're doing ADR.

And just in case screens go out of fashion, we can claim that we're post light. Yeah. Hello. You know, because at that point, we're just hearing murmurs of Alexa. I think they move my band. Murmurs of Alexa.

So Alexa. Yeah, we did. I love that hit. You guys had a big hit, 1993. Oh, you about Audrey Hepburn. But yeah, murmurs of Alexa. Murmurs of Alexa. I love that hit. You guys had a big hit in 1993. Oh, you about Audrey Hepburn. Yeah, Murmurs of Alexa. Murmurs of Alexa.

It was just called Audrey. It was her screaming. Now it was her screaming. Audrey Hepburn. Well, you found the B-roll of the screaming. Yeah, and he just put it in. Yeah, it was put it in. It sounded like a pin into the neck of a dick dick.

It was just really bad. And you added some extra screaming in post. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Murmurs of Alexa. And the bassist was a really bad. And you added some extra screaming in posts. So I didn't say that. That's right. Murmors of Alexa. And the bassist was a drug addict. And he had a form of alphanthiasis. It was really important. That was a surprise.

I remember seeing the photos. Don't go on tour with that. And I was like, this died in Nazi. This campaign. This is, thank God, Alexa's not alive. Not an animal, but I am a bassist. Yeah, anyhow Supposedly is an internet web location

That's not over here We're not here to talk why are we here? Okay, let's get let's get into the reboot by the reboot banter It's a doubt. It's a doubt of this. I mean Ryan is suffering. I've never seen this guy suffer so much Listen just tell me what the show Let's go, so you know what's good, let's go, we're like, what, what, this is a conformable thing. This is a conformable thing. This is a conformable thing. This is a conformable thing. You're a conformable thing.

My hand, a dog, what do you wanna talk about? I'm trying to think about your dog. I'm trying to think if there's anybody, this is to be like fish, okay. Like, the fish, fish is probably a lot of fun to be it. Like if you're a member of fish, you're having the fuck a time. Did you like them a little bit? No, never. Have you listened to fish?

The album with the orange on the cover? I don't even know what that is. But I think you can look at the, I think. What about primus? I think definitely not. Like, no. What about this song by primus, the one that went, you mean all primus, like, shh.

Give it a run, but I think it like fish, fun to be in a blast. What about a blast? No. Uh-huh. But I think it like like fish fun to be in a blast. A blast. No. But I think that to listen to for many people, I'm gonna go see Roger Waters in September, annoying. And so I wonder if this conversation is like that,

where we're jamming. Oh, we're just like in a groove here. We're just doing our thing. And yet to people listening, they're like, this is so fucking annoying. Well, I think we have in like, murmurs of a lot. Burr, murmurs of a lot. Yeah, please.

Listen, what's a topic? Let's jam on a topic. No, I just said we were gonna get to the rebate. What's an internet? Let's talk about your rebate. So you've done a hundred of these bad words. I've done a hundred of these shows. How many have been good?

I think this is a great example of why this show is. No, sir, current. How many have been good? I mean, 50. Okay, that's great. That's a great ratio. You should be really put that on your tombstone. Like 30, maybe like 30. That's okay. Now we're getting to not like this one's good. I wonder who I wonder who is like if I say 30 and anybody who's

ever been on the show's list, a name, which is definitely not happening, but podcast. Now right now, they're all just narcissists. How is Garland actually very good? This is the thing, I mean, that's your, 30 is a great number because everybody's in that number. I don't know, I don't think that's true. I've done a hundred shows. So, like, everyone who's listening is like,

a solid, pretty good. A solid two thirds are not in that. Yeah, okay. Well, like, 25 of them were me. But some of your episodes were bad. Those are terrible. Like this one does not go in the top 30. There was like one like two episodes ago that was just hot like with garbage.

We just couldn't find it. Couldn't get there. Just like just like a just like live something. Some of you had an infection and it broke it. And this like a and the process to be out of it is was the podcast. That's right. That's right. I don't think the people know what a like the best in the worst shows be out of it is was the podcast. That's right, that's right. I don't think the people know what a life

the best in the worst shows are because of Tito's. I want to be like Tito's has never sponsored a show. But it's given us our best and our worst. Can I say I do think I have, I will say this, vodka fucks me up in a way. Like I get drunk on vodka in a way that is not the same for other liquor. I'm saying.

We're absolutely gonna have a fist fight and then have sex by the end of the show. I mean, if it's like our other episode, that's the not your favorite. That's right. The only difference is we're not doing into our studios. We're here. Let's not talk about our go. Okay. Now let's talk about the reboot.

All right. So you're going to change up the first of all, I think it's important for people to know that everything you do in like 30 is pretty good. I mean, I've had a lot of good conversations, but also that like some things are just garbage and you know it. I think I think the you turn the wheel to the next week. I think the age of two people randomly talking is like there's plenty of that. Yeah. And also for me I feel like I I do a corporate podcast. I do a good plus light podcast

contract James. And it is that. It's a couple people talk. I just think there's, there are gonna be pockets that were that works really well. But I feel like I have had a lot of one-on-one conversations. And I think you're a media, like this is a media company. It should, it should, and this is the age of podcast networks. It's time. Wait, hold on.

Let's level this thing up. We have a podcast network. It's so tired of this. It's called. It's called. It's called 100 episodes of garbage. And we gotta just do better. Martini media.

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Of course. Let's just say that it'll be available exclusively on Windows phone and surface laptops. For the first six months. Very powerful media integration synergy strategy. I love synergy as you know, and I love it in a fashion. Sometimes I like to do it. So here's the key. Here's the, by the way, shame on all of humanity for rooting the word synergy, which actually

is a really cool word. The really cool word that I would love to use more, but every time I say it, I feel disgusted with myself. But it's kind of like the same root as synth, which is an awesome instrument. So it takes us all the way back to the Curse Wild K 1000, one of the greatest midi synthesizers to have ever destroyed a guitar. I love it. Good.

So my thought was like, I, so I have things that there are a lot of things that I feel like I want to do or need to do, but I don't do. And one of the things I've been thinking a lot about is, no, I've done, I don't need to do any more exercise. I'm good. I'm all full up on that. But I think that one of the things I've been thinking a lot about is that this show, this can sound really weird, but there is a therapeutic element to the show.

Let's go tell me. Originally, when I started doing this, when I was at Bloomberg, I was like, I need some outlet for the weird, I need to have this conversation with somebody. I need to do it in public because I need attention. No, because it's validation. I'm dying for I need attention. No, just validation. Because you're dying for validation and attention. Yeah, no, talk about your nurses. And I love, and I think like, as a kind of

ogresh person physically, any little bit of interest or love I can get from people is exciting to me sexually. And you deserve this. And so thank you. And so I thought, on my phone is ringing. That's okay.

You do whatever you need to do. And so watch it all the time in the world. This could be, this could be Trump. Sure. Sure. What if I answer it? It is Trump. Hello, it's Malania.

Shh. Shibboladi is like, give me a hug here. We don't know each other, but I need help. I don't know. Okay. She's like, give me a hug here. We don't know each other, but I need help. I thought you're not. So she's like, I'm the only person that listens to your podcast that I need your help. So I think there is something therapeutic about this, but then I've been thinking a lot about how,

like I feel like it's sort of cyclical now, like I'm just kind of having, I'm having this fucking Trump conversation with everybody. Yeah, I know. You know, it's like, oh, Trump, you know, and actually in my life, there are things that I've wanted to do or need to do that I'm not doing because,

like I'm not motivated in certain way. Okay, good, good, Exactly. Good, no. Good example, the Fast and the Furious franchise. I've never seen any of the movies all the way through. No, I know, I've heard. But I've never done it.

No, because you read these essays by millennials who are just like, You read the essays by Melania. You read the essays by Melania or she's like, I love millennials. Yeah, Melania. So, millennials is a thing. That's a music.

But I started thinking was like, maybe I could use the podcast as a way to get, to try things or to do things. Sure. That I have, that I've been meaning to do or wanting to do things. Sure. That I have, that I've been meaning to do or wanting to do or thinking about, but haven't done for instance. For, I'd say well over a decade,

I've been talking about going to Scientology Sunday Services. Sure. Just check it out. Just check it out. Like I just interested. I'm not saying I'm gonna become a Scientologist. No, no, no. But I am curious. Which is, what's a Scientology Sunday Service like? I have going to become a Scientologist. No, no, no, but I am curious.

Yeah. What's a Scientology service? I wanted to do that so badly. Are we are you going? Are you my wingman? I want to make my I have wanted to fake joint Scientology just to see for so badly. Maybe we could level up. Yeah. We don't know. I mean, what a good career move. What if I have too many feelings? You definitely do. You need to be an OT, you need to get into your OT levels, right? Shack. All right, so you're gonna go, are you gonna record this secretly? I don't know what we're gonna do, but so like fast and security.

But you can tell, you guys can sit in a room, too. Have it seen any fast and furious? Gonna watch all of them. Having gone to Sunday services at a Scientology, church of Scientology. Right. Iology. Right. VR. Yeah, Ryan wants me to spend a week working in VR,

which I think will just be me throwing up for a week straight. That's what's gonna happen. And just like, is there Google docs VR at this point? Can you even do it? How do you even work in VR? I'm really excited. You sit down with the virtual PCs. Actually just saw an amazing demo,

which is it's a PC emulating a phone running another OS running on real engine 4, or it's all in Unreal Engine 4, but it's like in its doom on the phone in the virtual environment, it's like a full doom on the phone inside of, you know, I'm talking about. I do. I don't want to give you any, I don't want to acknowledge this. I don't want to help you out. I'm just watching you. I'll just call Paul to good for. No, I'm just watching you. They flop around on the shore with this one. The founder of Post-Light doesn't want to talk about tech. It's fun. He wants to prove his theory that this is all a simulation. I know. We are. This room looks like a simulation. This is a 3D rendered podcast

studio. What if I told you that everything you know is a lie? God be great. I would love it. I know. They are from when the police please fucking more. Yes. He's working. Yes. Yeah. This is the matrix. Yeah.

This is the target. No, I would get it. No, this was a matrix would make perfect sense. You know, in the matrix, they, the Matrix, the whole thing is like, like humans have to suffer. Yeah, you don't want to paradise. You want to suffer. No, this is the Matrix. The wakalis knew it. They got it 99. I know. Seven-year-for-film. The Matrix, never seen it.

Just kidding. Fight Club, horrible movie, unwatchable basically. And of course the infamous Oscar winning Oscar award winning American Beauty. Right. And there's several other films that I can't think of. American Beauty. It's a good, that's a good movie. Wow. That's you just hit the Tito's little hard table thirsty. Apparently it's a little party fang up. Wait, we were just talking about something. 99 being an incredible year for friends. So what are you two?

What are their films? How was I doing during any of your memories? I was producing rave music. I was working at a branding agency. I think I had my seminal hit pistol whip. It came out that year. Actually, it came out 98 and was re-released in 2000 in the UK. You were good year for Tupolsky's.

It's a that span of two years is all pistol whip. Basically, no, we just I'm talking about. I know you had some music thing that happened to you. I tech knows a techno DJ and producer. And then you and so glad that it wasn't 911 yet. I went to, I went to, here's a funny story. Like I DJed it. So they released that record in the UK in 2000.

I had this techno song that was like a little bit of a hit. And I went to DJ in like Manchester and London a few other places. And I was in Bournemouth where I was playing a party. I went from like Manchester to Bournemouth in the same night. In England they would have these. There's two things and maybe I've told the story in the podcast before. Two things that are really memorable to me about this trip. I was traveling from Manchester to Born Mether

Vice-Ferris, I can't remember which one it was in the middle of the night. And they give you a driver when you go to England to DJ. And he was like, well, I was like, I'm so tired. And he's like, do you want to do a little coke? I've got some. Sure. And I'm like, yeah, why not? We pull off on the, we're on the M8 or whatever the roadway is there. Right. And we pull off and he gets out like a CD or whatever

and he's like, you know, chopping some bumps or lines. I love to get to because it was the first time I'd ever talked to him in the Tartus. And we look across the roadway, across like four lanes of highway. And on the other side of the roadway, this is how prevalent Coke was in the 90s. In England, there was another car full of people

who were snorting lines of Coke Kate or whatever, off of something in their car. I was like, wow, this is an incredible situation that I'll someday write about. But then I also remember after the party, I think I'm gonna say I'm from Manchester to Bournemouth. After the party in Bournemouth, I went back to a house party. And I was obviously extremely inebriated at this point. And the people at the house party was like some random house in the fucking middle of nowhere, England. And they might, by song came on,

which they obviously knew of the song because they were at the club that we were all at, where I was DJ. And they were like, this is, the people were talking about it. They were like, this is an important moment. The creator of this song is here with us and we're talking about music

and we're listening to the song and who knows what will come from this. And I was like, I don't, I was like, I need to get back to my hotel. Like, it's like, no, it's like, it was like, I got to go. Like, this was the point where how did how did the song go? Did it go like, it had a four four kick drum in it. The past is the enemy, the future tomorrow. Tomorrow is our friend, and that brings me to the reboot. So why is this a reboot? Why would you change this amazing podcast? My therapy session?

Yeah, my drum therapy session. My drum therapy. Drum therapy, is that a thing? Probably, actually, it should be. It should be. Hold on to the therapist, be sure. Call us a witness. Everyone's drinking. Everyone's drinking. No on to the therapist. Be sure. Oh, witness.

Everyone's drinking. Everyone's drinking. No, just the patient. It's actually unethical. We actually did a story about therapy and it's unethical to have drunk people in therapy. Like a lot of therapists would be like, you need to sober up before we have a conversation. But I think if everybody's like, you're going to be drunk, it would make a very good comedy central.

You're going to be in therapy. You've done therapy? Yeah. I mean, yeah, a little bit. Okay. You, you have a therapist. I did for a while. You retired. You're just like, I'm good. I'm done. He's like, you know, Paul, thank you for this. Yeah. I'm good. Honestly, by the end, we were mostly just talking about World War II. I had a therapist who was like also, like a motivational speaker. And I felt like because he knew that I went on TV once in a while, that he was trying to utilize. He was like, hey, mention to the people at late night that I've got a book, self-help book.

It's really, I'm like, I don't know that it's a zero-per-end. I had one one to try to set me up with another patient. That was a bad boundary. What happened? Did you go on day? No. No. I had one one to try to set me up with another patient. Really? Yeah, it was a bad boundary. What happened? Did you go on day? I was like, I don't think that's right for me right now.

I mean, that to me seems like nice though. That's like the first wives club. I probably should have jumped on it back in the day, but I think I was dating somebody. But it's just like, I don't know if you want your therapist to set you up. Well, your therapist does you really well. I know, but then you go and see the other person and then you're you're about like, I think it's like the problem there is

you're like, Oh, Dr. Rothschild, how about how about his sessions? Yeah, that's the thing. Right. Right. I just don't know right. Rothschild. I don't know where I came up. I'm because a Rothschild. Rothschild. I don't know what the name is. Yeah, it's a really rough one because actually like, it's like, no, but name is. Yeah, it's a really rough one because actually, is that your therapist? It's like, no, but it's also like, that's a very Jewish name, but also the Illuminati love. That's not true.

Rothschild, I don't think it's Jewish at all. No, that's Jewish. It's a German Jewish. No, it's not. Literally, like, it's what antisemites talk about. Dr. Goldberg and Silverstein will see you now. That's the thing like the raw shields are actually like, oh, those are the spies, aren't they?

Yeah, those are like the number. No, those are the Rosenbergs. No, those are the bankers, man. Wow. The Rothschild's like central bankers for the lizard people. Rothschilds or Rothschilds. Rothschilds.

Roths spelled Roths. ROTH, just proceed. It's not Rothschild. Yeah. Well, okay, just we'll cut that all out. All right. Anyhow, I went to a wedding not too long ago and the DJ was like, hey, how you doing? Is there early?

Because I was performing the wedding and he was like, hey, what's going on? I'm like, oh, you're just hanging out and getting my act together. And he's like, yeah, you know, you're here about the the the Rosheel banking family. Wow. Really? Just a, just a, just a, literally a, just a, no, no, no. Fricking the same way. It wasn't that was this.

It's like, man, you know, I was really a Bernie guy. I'm like, oh, that's cool. You know, I can see that. He was like, yeah, you ever hear about in 1913 and it just went from there. I think that the X-Files has had so much, has done so much lasting damage to the fabric of American culture that we culture. We love conspiracy. Do other countries have conspiracies that the love of we do? I know they're British, do you, because they have reptilians.

I mean, they're like Eastern European. We are so in like an alternate universe with this stuff now. I feel that other countries just hate Jews. Here's the thing that has always dropped me. This one does too. No, no, no, that's right. America hates me. No, I know, but the America gets creative about it. It's like, oh, they're actually reptiles.

Whereas I think like your average Eastern European nation is like, no, they ruin everything. I mean, literally people with chanting Jews will not replace us at a rally where they were holding torches and had swastikas on their arms. But here's what I will say. The thing is, what are the Chinese? I don't know how they feel about Jews honestly. Probably not a fan, but who is a fan of Jews? Nobody knew.

I'm a big Jew fan. I'm a big fan. My kids are. Of the Chinese? Of the Jews. My wife is Jewish. My kids are very Jewish. You're thinking about conspiracies.

I feel like conspiracies, what it requires is for you to believe that someone else has a plan, a really elaborate detailed plan. And in my experience, no matter how adult you think somebody is or how sophisticated or mature you think they are, they don't really have a plan. Yeah, I mean, conspiracies assume that there's order in the world at some level. It's conspiracies in some way. To me, or like, okay, I that there's order in the world. It's in love. Yeah, conspiracies in some way. To me are like, okay, I think there's something about the vampire method of zombie myth that's very comforting in a way to people. Right. Because it gives you this impression. Well, vampire, vampirism, of course.

No, but like secret societies. But you know, this idea that like you could live forever. There's a mechanism by which you might live indefinitely. Just the fantasy. Do you mean, because we're terrified of death? Did you have a conspiracy theory moment when you were young? Yeah, I read all the Robert Anton Wilson books. Me too, right? Yeah, I did. I did. Oh my god.

Have we talked about cosmic trigger on the podcast? No, but I mean, this is my world too, right? Okay, yeah. Church of the subgenius. Sure, that's the thing. There was a whole culture of playing with and experimenting and understanding. Conspiracies were making fun of conspiracies

was like a very early pre-internet subculture. Yeah. Like being into them, because people would be, I just kind of miss it, because you'd get like these documents by people who believed in reptilians or whatever. Well, you've read,

you've read the biggest secret by David Ike, right? I, we've talked about this. We've talked about this. But I have skimmed it. Do I need to get a copy in here? Because I've got one on my desk. I could have brought in here. I kind of love, I love talked about it. We've talked about it. I haven't read it, but I have skimmed it. Do I need to get a copy in here? Because I've got one on my desk. I could have brought in here. I kind of love all of it.

The biggest secret is like a thousand pages of pure. Yeah. I mean, it's like talks about how Bill Clinton and George Bush were in like black magic sex rituals with children. I mean, it's like all, it's all in. But and that stuff has been there for a while. Yeah. Like behold a pale horse and, and, you know, the Illuminatus trilogy.

Well, I'm joking, we're joking around, but all the way back to Protocols of the Elders is Zion. I mean, yeah, of course. Because Beerus is powerful because it does give you the impression that someone is pulling his face. And this is what you want. So bad. At some level, you're just like, this explains it.

Right. Because this is what I was saying about vampires and zombies is that at the base of all of this is like we want there to be Like a parent Right, we want there to be like someone who has the plan like even if the system is against you There is like a base level where I think we all want to feel that there is a system Yeah, and I think the sad terrible Like horrific reality we have to face is that Trump and Steve Bannon and whoever else we think is part of this massive global conspiracy does not have a plan.

If they had a plan, they would have been able to pull off the immigration ban or the, what a travel ban without it being a complete cluster of fuck, right? Without it looking, it wasn't like the resistance was like, here's our opportunity. It was like, they made a bad plan because they didn't know what they were doing They executed it poorly and then people reacted look here's what I think I think that he's very good at channeling a circle Donald Trump Yeah, Trump is very good at channeling that conspiratorial urge. He plays with it Right he just says stuff like he literally ran people or well, I know what I mean No, but also sort of like you know, he played with Ted Cruz's dad killing Kennedy. Right?

The birth of the birth of thing is it. That is a classic. That is a great conspiracy. And that was Trump was all over the birth of, I mean, Trump's basically like a guy who listened to Art Bell a lot. So and what's his name, Alex Jones? Well, Alex Jones has been on coast to coast, by the way. Right.

Like, he was a, he used to be on coast to coast. Oh, that's how it makes sense. Of course it makes sense. So there's this big rain. And they all read, sorry, I'm just, they all read fucking Robert Anton Wilson and the Illuminati trilogy and the cosmic trigger shit and behold a pale horse.

Sure. All of this has just roots in the protocols of the auto design. So the announcement is that reboot of this show will be much like Alex Jones. Oh, I'm gonna take my shirt off and I'm gonna rant about lizard people and sell you creativity.

Which is only a little bit different in that I will take my shirt off. You know, I feel that actually a rant about lizard people. And sell you crazy food. Which is only a little bit different in that, I will take my shirt off. You know, I feel that actually all of this conspiracy oriented stuff, we've been looking at Alex Jones and joking and so on, but there is a tradition here. I also think that the office of religion is the ultimate conspiracy, is it not?

I mean, actually the interest. So, yes. Boom. Yeah. Here's the tricky part though, is like Reddit atheists really blow everything up because you're like, oh, why are we talking about Richard Dawkins

and how he hates Muslims? Like what's happening here? Like where? Dawkins hates Muslims because they're religious. Like to me, the atheism, atheism. Yeah, why are you also because he's like a white raisin? Do you believe in God? No.

No, I mean neither, right? And so I would like for 70% of your audience is just like, I need to send them an email. Like, you never got those emails. Like, I understand. No, not really. You don't get try. I get people trying to convert me all the time. I mean, there's there's no fucking way. Yeah. You could convince me for one second. If you believe in God, see, I grew up proud of it. And then you are a sucker. I briefly was having a job. I know it's right. I know you're very religious, but if you believe me, oh, wait, are you? I was joking. I thought

you were totally not religious at all. Oh, well, see, I feel like we talk about these things with these terms that aren't very well defined. Like, no, I don't believe there's a man with a beard. But do I think like there's essentially more organized, like when you get smaller things are made up of things and you get bigger things are made up of things. You believe that? Yeah, I believe there's order to this world. I don't think it's order that cares about us, but I do think that there's something outside of the universe. I don't believe in order. I believe in chaos. I believe that everything. That's right, because you read the Principia discordia. Let me turn your attention to what is that book that was reading in the late night Israeli 2000s? It's like

bridges and medicine. No, it's like spiritual. It's like a game. No, no, it's you're either right. The secret it's like the secrets of the secret. It's the no, no, no, it's like the Celestine prophecy. Oh, right, right, right, right, which like I know like a lot of people at raids were like dude, you got to read the Celestine prophecy. I'm like, you're just on Which I know a lot of people at raids were like, dude, you gotta read the Celeste prophecy. I'm like, you're just on tip of the Tito's when we're talking about baby Jesus.

Here we go. You're just on ecstasy. You don't want me to read that. You're just too much K. I'm, took too much K. It's a very square way to say it. That noise you're hearing is the top of the world. It's the Tito's.

Cut it a little more. I don't think there's any order. I mean, I would love to believe that there's order, but why? What's the point of the order? This is a good conversation. You know, like, let's just talk about it for one second. Like, why would there be order if it is totally meaningless and doesn't serve anything?

Because it's you swilt it. Yeah. Because whoever with the beard or the long hair or whoever it is, no, I think that's ridiculous. There's no order. There is only, I think the order is, I think this is true. Actually, I was thinking about this other day driving.

Sorry, and then Paul, I knew you were saying this. I was driving, I was thinking like, when I have to tell Zelda about death, what am I gonna tell her? And I was thinking about my perceptions of death and what my parents told me. And my mother and father were raised, Jewish, and talked about religion in a way that was more about tradition

than it was about spirituality. But when I asked my mother what God is, she would say God is in everything. God is like everything. What if he was watching us? Right, what if God was one of us? What if he was the stranger on the bus? Yeah, but one of the things I thought is

when it comes time to explain what death is and what it does, like how will I explain this to Zelda? When I was thinking is like this idea that my family, I'm we're not a cremation family, we're a Barry family. I mean, I think a lot of Jews, that's true. That's Jews, yeah. Yeah, that we Barry people. But I was thinking about like, what are you?

Oh, man, hello. No, Barry people in the ground. I'm like, what? Yeah, Barry, the ground. I'm like, what? Yeah, Barry, oh, Bob. Bob, but like that we, you know, we bury our dead, at least my family does. Yeah. And I've always thought like, oh, what happens is like the body breaks down, it literally

becomes like warm food. Yeah. You literally feeds like the Earth in a very expensive coffin. Like, well, you ask the coffin breaks down, but you know, but 10,000 years. But no, no, these wood coffins are going after you. Have you not seen Night of Living Dead? Because they're really, they're really broken. I want to do the thing where they plant a tree on top of you

and then you're the tree. No, that's cool. But this is my point. Is that what actually makes sense to me, and in what feels a completely reasonable thing to tell a kid or anybody, is that like, here's a fucking amazing idea. You die, and your body gets buried in the ground and it breaks down and it becomes like literally

like the soil and the food for like things that like literally give oxygen to beans on this planet. That to me is like an amazing idea and maybe is there order to that? I don't think that there is. I think it's just like the, it's the function of nature. We took our five year olds to watch our cat get put down. Oh, really?

Yeah. How was that? They wanted ice cream. What did you tell them about the cat's death? And we're like, well, a kiddie's very sick. And she's not the nicest kiddie, but she has to go to the doctor. It's like, it'll be easy to put down penny if we have to,

because I think Zelda's like, oh, on the fence about her. Yeah, that's a thing. She's like a mean dog. Listen to the thing. The lat, we had another cat, and that one is even meer than the first one. That's good. You should raise me in animals,

that way your kids, like, it's fine if she has a dog. With the second cat, we were like, guys, I know you saw Desdemona die, but we have to kill Gary too. Is that okay with you? And they're like, yeah, it's fine. Like, where's, how quickly could we get to the ice cream shop? Yeah, no, they didn't even want ice cream. They're like, we don't have to go.

That's great. So wait, this is like, what do they think about, oh really? Sorry. Yeah, that's good. You guys like a mess or what? My wife was sad. I just, the keck eats bite in my wife's ankles.

Yeah, when our dog died, our first dog, I was like destroyed, destroyed. Penny is, I will say this, she's mean in a pain in the ass. I will feel very sad. Oh, it's still sad. If she ever dies, I'm not sure that she will. This isn't pretty good health. Yeah.

13 year old or 12 year old dog, but she's 12 year old. Yeah. But, um, so she'll be fine forever. Yeah, she'll be good forever. Did you not have to explain to your kids at all what, like, what's up with death? No, we have. You know, we don't, we don't believe.

And so we're just like some people believe this. Some people believe that. Are you giving options? Yeah. You like some people believe this, the spirit believe that. Are you giving options? Yeah. You're like, some people believe that this spirit of this animal does like this goes to heaven.

Here's why. They go to daycare, or they go to daycare and they go to... Took them out. No, they would say a little prayers during at lunch. What kind of daycare? The ladies in the daycare would say,

like, you know, we give a little thanks. Sometimes we give thanks. We're grateful for the food. They go to school and about three quarters of the kids are from one religious tradition or the other. So I want them to be in a position where if somebody's like, hey, I believe this, that they'll be like, okay, get it. You know the thing about religion is funny is that, I mean, first off, my was raised religious.

You were raised. I was raised like a modern Jew, which is like a religion, it's like, it's like a lot of light and some extra holidays. Yeah, you read that little book during dinner, it's just like, or that, like how religious could it be if they're like, we have no idea what happens and you die or why anything happens. I mean, yeah, I don't think my Judaism is, I think my Judaism, yeah, I did. The thing with Judaism is that it's not, there's no heaven as far as I know.

There's the, when I understand the concept of like a Jewish, and maybe this is great, maybe Jewish Judaism is in some ways like a really good religion I should practice it, but like- A lot of Jews think so. Yeah, sure, I guess. But like, my understanding is that the reward for

living your life well by the rules of the Talmud or whatever, or the Torah, is that your life is good. Like a good life is what you get from living. Sure. I don't believe in rules, frankly, because I'm a risk taker, but I do think it's an animal rule breaker. But I just think, yeah, I just think the problem is

with like the whole God and heaven and hell concept, like these like structures of order. I actually have a lot of empathy for like even the evangelicals having come out of that. I'm have a lot of empathy for like even the evangelicals having come out of that. I'm just not there anymore man. Your family is evangelical. Very briefly, you know, we're not very, at a couple, I grew up like mainstream Protestant, which doesn't mean anything to people who didn't grow up mainstream Protestant.

Mainstream Protestant is like American. Yeah, like pro, like America's religion. Presbyterian. Yeah. Like, you know, we didn't, uh, you didn't you didn't think that the cookie turned into anything. It's just, you know, you don't hang your tree upside down. Very spiritual. God is no ash in the forehead. Yeah. No. You God is kind of what you make of them.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like the reformed Judaism of Christianity. You know, and then then everybody, you know, then there's a divorce and everyone gets evangelical for a while. So that went to that. That was intense. That was a much smaller church. I just... Sometimes you pray with the hand up instead of in front of you.

That's a big one. And then I went to a school that was kind of evangelicals, a philanthropic school. And then I had a real like, you know, sometimes somebody would stand up and be like, you know, what the Buddhist believe is nonsense, which of course immediately sent. But like, let's not just talk about our religion,

but refute other religions, especially like immediate rebellion fuel, right? And I don't know. I'm cool with that. I'm cool with everybody believing everything. I kind of, I'm no longer angry about it. Are you cool with people believing that only white people should live in America? No, in no way. But I guess it's cool with everybody. I'm not shocked that they believe that.

I can see those traditions and the rules of their upbringing, getting them to that point of view. Yeah. I mean, basically all racism is, it's rude. It's like bad parenting. It's just madness. We're just in a zone of madness. There's also, there's always an interpretation of those face that doesn't go that direction. It's just valid. You can use evangelical religion to validate every terrible impulse. You know what's interesting? Well, you can use religion to validate every terrible impulse. Yeah, it's more tricky though, because like the mainstream Protestants, if you look at their attitudes towards homosexuality, they're changing and they're evolving.

And when progress happens and when things move forward, it tends to be a lot of people have met in a room and things are kind of getting worked out. You're not gonna go backwards necessarily. You're saying we're gonna do this. But to me, why have an opinion on homosexuality at all? That's my thing is why it's it's like. Of course, dude. I mean, I'm with you on this, but like,

like this is the thing about religion. It's like you have to have an idea or a rule about everything and it's like, why? It's so you can impose, it's so you can impose yourself, your beliefs on somebody else. No, or they would say because they have a,

they have a system that guides their life in order to be more ethical. In order to get to happen. And then you're just, I mean, you're taking subjective roles and then you're just using it to like feed your own issues. So like if there's something that you hate about yourself and you can find a passage that lets you hate everybody who's like that.

That's right. Humans can justify anything, right? And then there are these larger systems. Well, but no, it helps to have, it helps to have religion justify it. Then you have it like a, you're like, well, oh maybe I feel this way maybe I don't but the book says sure The book says gay people are bad the book can say anything right? Well, that's the book the Bible is Anti-divorced that always leave that part out because everybody's divorced

You know, you know, everybody's got had everyone's on the like third marriage I don't know if you've seen the Game of Thrones series season finale. I haven't, haven't. Very sorry. He touches on an element in a pretty serious way. Hmm. And I think you're gonna wanna check it out.

All right, I'm gonna have to watch. You can also read our recap. It's going up next week. I'm pretty excited about the recap. I think about outline recaps. We're doing them like a month after the episode. That's the reboot. The reboot is outline recaps.

You're like, you've heard all the noise about this. Now, here, let us cut through the noise. It's a good recap. Like, I'm trying to think. Like a, like a Mary Tyler Moore recap. Oh. Like, if you haven't caught up, you're gonna watch this episode. I got good news for you.

There's a new Jeff Dunham special coming out on Netflix. Is that true? Yeah. I love that guy because he has like different kinds of puppets. Some are racist against brown, different types of brown people. Some are racist against Asian people. You remember, too, there was actually a discussion. I put it on a jet dot it is all of his puppets are racist.

And it was also like, You doesn't have a single non racist puppet. There was like a, people were saying like, Hey, this guy is really racist and everyone is like, Wow, and he's like, no, no, no, no, like the times have changed. They're the last thing we've done. I remember the dead, wow, and he's like, no, no, no, no, no. Like the times have changed or the last thing. I remember the dead, the dead terrorist. I met a cop and the dead terrorist.

Classic racist puppets. That's right. And everybody was like, these are really racist and then there'd be these editorials like, why it's not racist? And they were really racist. Well, this is like the year times off-head section is all about this now.

Yeah. They're like, why we need racist puppets. Yeah, that's it. That's it. I mean, we don't need Jeff Dunham doing racist. I like Jeff Dun like, why we need racist puppets. Yeah. That's it. I mean, we don't need Jeff Dunham doing racist stuff. I like Jeff Dunham. That's my new guy. I like him Larry.

The cable guy. All the blue collar, the blue collar comedy tour. I think it's time for that to come back. That's, it's, it never left us. Yeah, it does. We're getting or done. You get it done. You know what I'm saying?

Car's three in theaters now. Oh, no, I had to see it. It's out. It's out. Yeah. Wait, wait, car's three is it. No, it's not. It's not. Wait, wait, Cars three is out. I saw it in 3D with my children. Yeah, it's out.

That was a nightmare. I know it. It's still true. Lauren Sautemann just says, maybe leap. Oh. It's about ballet dancing. Yeah, the theme song, Twitch is cut to the feeling. We're currently ready to have some fun on iTunes.

Is that from a motion? Yeah. It's an E-mo. E-mo. E-mo. E-mo. What is the point of breaking up the word? I'm trying to get my well, no, it's just what it's dictionary definition. It's yeah, it's the one like how you. It's like you guys looking for order and religion for order and the Carly Raid Japson. How I'm titled Carly Raid Japson is a religion. He's looking for order and creditors. What is up with Carly Rae Japson? It's pretty good. It's great.

She's a Canadian-American idol person. Canadian-American idol. It's just nice to have something fun. All right, let's talk about this reboot. Yeah, we're speaking of the rebirth of a DNA. Oh my God. Maga. Yeah.

Here's how we're gonna make America great. So my thought about this thought about the red. You're my thought each episode. Ventriloquism is a theme. Are you ready? I'm ready. Get Jeff done. I'm his my co-host.

He brings Ahmed on, whatever other racist. He is. He is. He's got an Egyptian money. He's got an anti-semitic puppet. He's got, yeah, it's like, it's like, you're Barry Goldfarber something. And he's like, he's like Penny Pinchini. He's like Barry's like, I got he's like it's like you're very gold far or something And he's like he's like penny pinching like very I don't know that seems pretty expensive

Like that's his very profession. He's a accountant Antisemitic goblin puppets He's got he's like goblin ask but not fully like you can't tell exactly But he has a intense hook They didn't think like you got to think like Jeff down literally has this there and be like, I need to be racist to get, I need another puppet. Yeah. Just so everybody knows, I'm giving like, but before I leave here, I'll give like $150

to an immigrant right or right. So I can't even like, I don't want to joke about it. I'm so angry. No, I mean, we just live in a country full of awful, I mean, is the country full of awful racist or is it just like brought to the surface? Is everybody racist? Why not both? I will say that Trump has.

This is a racist goddamn country. It's the most racist country imagined. It's true. It's so bad because it's just like, you look, we invented democracy and you're like, well, did you? I think you know, I think a super rad is not, is not. I love America, but it's racist. No, I agree.

I love it enough to tell it its flaws. I just wanna say what he's gonna say. America needs a makeover. What I'd understand about this country is why people are so fucking bent out of shape about other people's situations. Like there's so upset about other people. Like they're so bothered by other people.

It's like, why? Like what the fuck is the reason? I never- This is my, okay, my thesis. We have to stop like looking for reasons. Like just plain old bullshit dumbass racism is Occam's razor. It's enough.

Dude, just like, wow, that's a terrible thing. Why would we do that to the people who are the immigrants who really want to be here? Right. Because we're racist garbage. Bad, just bad people. Why go searching for like anything else? I've been thinking a lot about this,

like, about how, you know, this, what's currently happening, like, with race in America, makes you question like, like, well, how have we arranged ourselves? Like, you go like, well, wait a second, like, these people are like, we should, all the white European people

should be together, and all these other people should be over here. And it's like, we literally started this shit with slavery. We wanted to do it. And you're like, but then you're like, wait, so we're like into like tribal. It's like based on where we came from. In the art of genetics.

In the art of genetics. In the art of genetics. In the art of genetics. In the art of genetics. In the art of genetics. In the art of genetics. In the art of genetics. In the art of genetics.

In the art of genetics. In the art of genetics. In the art of genetics. In the art of genetics. In the art of, what is the way you would arrange the world? This, like, how would you arrange the world to make it make sense for these people? And it's like, you're going to do genetic testing for everybody and then put those, whoever's most genetically similar in a group together somewhere. No. Like, that's their view of the world, though. Sure. Which is, I think we've talked about this before, but the most boring view of this theme.

It's the guaranteed, most boring experience in life that you can have. Like all the European-Y people were together. It would be the most boring group of people to hang out with. That's why we work. Yeah, we work in the media. It's like, this is like that Dr. Seuss sneaked this thing, where like, yeah, which my daughter performed. I work in both tech and media, so I know what it's like when all the European white people are together, I know what that's like.

Yeah, sure. Yeah. Anyhow, so the reboot, I wanted to get away from Trump. So here's the reboot concept. Okay, of Jeff Dunham. Of Jeff Dunham's tomorrow. With Jeff, tomorrow with Jeff Dunham. With Jeff Dunham.

So here's the idea. A Jewish accountant named Johnny Goldberg. No, wrong. It's not Jewish enough. It'd be very gold far as I mentioned before. A little puppet. A little, a little puppet. Okay.

So the idea is every week I do a thing that I've been putting off or have wanted to do or I'm interested in, but there is no, like I can't get myself focused enough to do it. And then here's the thing, you can participate if you want with the thing. Like you haven't seen Fasifurious, I'm gonna watch all eight films this week, and then I'm gonna talk about them next week.

Oh wow. And my experience watching it. Wow. And now by the way, I've been type of taking my face furious for a long time because Katie and the Toplons and I were supposed to watch them. Have you seen even five minutes of them? Yeah, I've seen a few minutes of each one. Yeah, it's a few.

Yeah, it's a few. It's a few. It's a few. Yeah, it's a few. It's a few. It's a few. Yeah, it's a few minutes of each one. Yeah, it's a few.

It's a few. Yeah, it's a few. It's a few. Yeah, it's a few. Yeah, it's a few. Yeah, it's a few. Yeah, it's a few. Yeah, it's a few. Yeah, watch 10 minutes of these things, you're gonna wanna beat yourself in the head with a brick and a weapon. There's a lot of diversity, and it's not like it's any worse than Transformers. Yeah, oh, see, there's your standard. But not any worse than Transformers is like saying,

like the nausea's already any worse, though. It's not any worse than having somebody use, like you use a drill on your lower spine. It's just, you know. Yeah, anyhow. You know what I saw? No, no, no, no, no, we did a corporate outing, and we went and sold.

Whoa, post like it's corporate outings. We do, we went to the newsflash. No, we went to the hip man's. You have it your business. 32. You need to do corporate outings for 32 people. Well, no, I mean, do you call them corporate outings? No.

Can you just go to a bar? No, well, we do that too, but we wanted to, we wanted it was before Labor Day, it was last week, we wanted to do something fun before everybody went out. And so we went and saw they, before you have real fun, have corporate fun. We went and saw the hitman's bodyguard in 4dx. What the fuck? That is, you never vented a 4dx movie. The hitman's bodyguard star is hold on. Don't tell me, Ryan Reynolds. Yes. And I'm going to say it's either Richard Gear

Bruce Willis. No, Samuel L. Jackson. Oh, really? Yeah, that changes everything. Yeah, it changes everything. It's a very bad but very good movie. And we saw it in 40X. We've seen it in 40X. Was that like really good sound?

No, it's at regal cinemas on 14th Street. And it's like a roller coaster. Right, where they move, they really, really move. The chairs are around. Oh no. Yeah, and if you go, wait, wait, this is like an actuary where people walk, right? Yeah, no, no, no, they're walking around in the middle.

There's like all these car chases, and you just slam your body back and forth. And the whole thing is so bad. I think we need the corporate out in here to see incredibly hilarious. Like, no, no, wait, it gets better. They spray water on you. No.

At one point, they shot a guy in the head and they shot water into your face. Like hot water? No, just normal temperature. Oh, cause I feel like blood would be like the hot. There's like a three axis rotissus. And he smells, and he smells? There are, but I can't smell much, but yeah.

No, no, there's all sorts of, everybody's like, God, it smells like garbage. I also have a bad sense of smell. Yeah. Although I did identify a dead mouse in our house by smell recently. I was like, God, it smells like garbage. I also have a bad sense of smell, although I did identify a dead mouse in our house by smell recently. I was like, what's that smell? No, so they move like two, three feet,

they throw you around in the toilet. It was like, can I take something crazy? Sorry, I'm sorry. No, that's fine. It was dead inside of a small Peppa Pig playhouse next to a set of chairs and a table in a kitchen. And it was like, it was like perfectly, it's like the mouse might have died

sitting at the table. I'm glad you brought up Peppa Pig. Yeah. What do you think about Peppa Pig? Well, I hate the British as you know. It's not a fact about me. They're exhausting. They really are.

That's fine. I like Ben Holly, Ben, you watch that show? No. I like Daddy Pig because it's just a useless pilot garbage. He's like a, he's like an old aging soccer pool. Yeah, no, it's really bad. It's like, I used daddy pick because he's just a useless pilot garbage. He's like a sees like an old aging soccer. Who? Yeah. Yeah. No, it's really bad. It's like I used to be sexy. But now I just I just have have a pig as my kid. Oh, you know, Daddy's like to climb into a tree.

And he's like, he's like, it likes nap. That's insane. He falls down a lot. It's the worst. There's one episode where they went to the office and they're like, here, what do you do? And it's like a woman just makes rectangles and prints them out. That's her job. That's also my job. So we do you do? And it's like a woman just makes rectangles and prints them out. That's her job. That's my also my job.

So we do that. And then here's the thing. The shows are live. Okay. Live callin'. Callin'. So people call in to talk about the issue. Oh, it's great.

And I think maybe we'll do video. Great. Because why not? I love callin'. And then people can listen to the next day. But we're basically we're basically, you know, like, it's a do it. Yeah, I don't have a bunch of like Howard type. No, but instead of doing this thing, where we right now, we're like, it's like, we can edit the we're going to edit this podcast down to something that sounds like, thank God, I'm only saying, right? Yeah. Yeah.

I'm like, I'm been going for three hours. Yeah, no, we've been here for a day. It's a long time. It's been, actually, it's been 16 hours. This is an offsite. This is a corporate retreat or whatever you do. It has enough boots. Yeah, we're going to go away through this.

We're going to go away through this. Yeah, it's good. We're packing away. Packing away. Oh, they're a fucker. Anyhow, so that's my idea and I want to take tomorrow. I want tomorrow, I want today's tomorrow to be history. I mean, that's a great way to put it. Josh, I'm really happy for you that you're able to finally bury this thing and move on

to something. I want to make tomorrow yesterday. That's right. There you go. And make the future today right now. Right now. That's right. Sounds like one of those fake ad meetings on a hall didn't catch fire. You know, I saw a little bit of that show. It's not good. Oh, I love McKenzie Davis. Is that the other short hair? Yes. She's great.

I watch her for a 45 minute straight. Yes. But all the other people they can take. I think live is great. I think that podcast or can you know, podcast are over. They're getting so known. Except for this one. And mine, track changes by post.

Of course track changes by post like available on iTunes. You on Spotify yet? No, it's very hard to get. It's very hard to get. But QS5 stars on iTunes. I'll tell you what is on Spotify is the outline podcast, including tomorrow. This one episode with Joshua Tboski.

World Dispatch, the Red Center, our handmaids tail podcast, Westworld, our Westworld, sorry, out West, our Westworld podcast, you'll add it that in. Cut to the feeling by Carly Raid Japs, cut to the feeling from emotion by Carly Raid Japs said. And the rest. Which oneaps, cut the feeling from emotion by Carly Raid Japs said. And the rest. Which one is cut to the feeling? It's the one that goes like cut to the feeling.

Oh, I'm gonna cut to the feeling. I literally have no idea how it goes. Is that how it goes? Yeah. Can we hear a little bit of it? Sure. I like girl problems. It's probably literally playing a girl problem.

Girl problems is good. It's a good song. Sounds like something. Boy problem, sorry. Boy problem. I was just like girl problems is like, it's a good song. Sounds like something. Boy problem, sorry. Boy problem. I was just like, girl problem is like, it's like bad time, but I'm fine. As far as like teen entertainers go, she's just killer.

You know who's not good, is that Taylor Swift? I'll show where you are. We talk about her for a second. She's tiring. Yeah. I'm gonna use the Madonna sample. I had a dream or wasn't real, we crossed the line and it was on, we crossed the line the Madonna sample. I want to spend a special day with you. Take me through the stars. Take me to the sky. Oh, oh. We're prepared. Are you doing HTML yet or what? No, HTML is big for us.

Yeah, it's that. Huge technical, foundational technology for us. Yeah. All right. Listen, I think it's time to wrap up. God, Paul. We never talked about differs. Oh, actually, it's a good time to talk about differs.

We've had a, we're in a serious copyright dispute right now. Yeah, there's a lot. So with general mills. Yeah, to fill people in, Dipper's is an important restaurant concept that Josh came up with that I'm a huge supporter of. You're a part of.

I was a part of the initial ideation. You're like Waws, you're like Waws. Yeah, and I'm like Steve Jobs. Yeah. So whatever your contributions were are going to be ground out. Sure, of course. In the paper work, but I just want to be incredibly rich. You're still going to be very rich. Yeah, I'm going to be very wealthy. Sure, of course, in the paper work, but I just wanna be incredibly rich.

You're still gonna be very rich. Yeah, I'm gonna be very wealthy. No, no, no. The partnership is more like Travis Kalinick and Ariana Huffington. That's how I think of us when it comes to Dipper's. Absolutely. Okay, you're Travis and I'm Ariana.

Okay. And Darlin. Okay. We need to get some rest. But anyhow, Dipperys has his snack. General Mills has put out several products we're using the Dipper's name. Yeah.

And they are actual, they are products where you dip things. Mm-hmm. And so we filed several lawsuits. We hired the wrong lawyers. I think that the... DeFi Institute is not a good law school. I thought that their legal program was a little bit more sophisticated. I just didn't understand.

But they really are a technical school. Yeah, and you learn the big ranks and then you're going to get a lot of degree on the side. That does not. I will say this, they did a good job in the initial, in the depositions. They did. But now that we're going to trial, it feels like the DeVry team isn't quite there.

Also, a lot of people on Twitter angry with us because of our concept of dipping is seen as problematic. So I like this whole thing. Yeah. I don't know why we did it. I also think the partnership with the Tiki company, the Tiki Torch company was a mistake ultimately like we thought it be great like dinner by candlelight Remember that was our big campaign all on a deal. Yeah, yeah

We're also another that was another one and then it turns out like well, that's been solid It's gonna put an apple into a thing. I want to put a breadstick into a sauce You know what it's all I wanted to do that was my goal. I just in retrospect We probably didn't structure Dipper's well enough in order to deal with the competitive threat from General Mills. Well, I think that we certainly did not foresee the kinds of legal costs we would incur, which is why we ended up with Diverai. Yeah, no, it's true. We just, we had a higher 100 or so fewer people or 160 or so. We could afford a real sort of powerhouse.

You know, also the HR, the HR hit from Tothless Tuesdays was a very bad idea that we shouldn't or so, we could afford a real sort of powerhouse. You know, also the HR, the HR hit from Topless Tuesdays was a very bad idea that we shouldn't have done that. Well, the sad, you know, of course, the crazy thing there is it was a typo. Yeah. There's Topus Tuesdays and they just got it wrong. It's not freaking dippers. And next thing you know, we have breasts at every dippers.

No, it's really bad. They're breasts. They're all in one of the small plates. Incredible. I mean, he's actually, when you think about it, it's really bad. They're fresh. And all we want to do is small plates. Incredible. I mean, he's actually, when you think about it, it's like a almost comedic. It's really sad. And this 100th episode, having to admit that Dipper's didn't really work as a business. And on that note, I think we should end this. But let's just say Q4 is looking bad. Yeah, Q1 2018 is looking

strong. It is. We're going to clear these lawsuits back to business big time in 2018. General Mills or no, Dipper's will survive and thrive, even though we only have four locations. Well, this instead of a zeal, he is a different Unicode character. 165 down to four, but the four are in key markets. It's about to be Dipper X. Fort Lauderdale. For now, Dipper's in a suburb of Pittsburgh called Lower Burl. And there's that one that shares space with the blockbuster.

The blockbuster Dippers. Oh, right. Which is still doing, they do blue rays and DVDs. So it's pretty viable. Honestly, it's surprising how well that does. And there's a dippers at a public bathroom that's been actually, has been taken over by an events company at Delanci in Allen in New York. And there's a dippers location there, which is kind of a pop-up dippers.

But to me, it's the, in some way, the best dippers. That one's great. Unless you go in there, it's just young people dipping. Well, it's like, you know, you get off the train, you're hungry. Ironic dips. You want dips, something. Yeah.

Well, they have all the, we have all the hip dips, which is the hips or dips. Which I, yeah. That was a good idea. No, it was great. The problem was just the dependency on like, paprika didn't have the brand equity we thought it did. We shouldn't have bought paprika as a brand,

that was my style. I keep trying to think like if you were to do it, what's a cool spice? I mean, cumin, I thought it was. I was just gonna say cumin is hot. Yeah, see, so that's a good thing. It's hot. You've done, you've done,

you've done almost anything and made it good. So this is a problem. I mean, look, I think this company could come out of chapter 11. Oh, we're bouncing back. We're bouncing back. They could come out of chapter 11. The way I see an owl and check us out,

we're open from two to two. And maybe tomorrow there'll be a large series of human based caramel, two a.m. Two p.m. Dips, dip whatever you want, whenever you want. Apple pairs with the dip with the dip. Yeah, actually the general mills actually won the suit about the. So it's it's what the dog. Yeah, you can't use whip the div.

What the dog? Well, the dog goes close enough. All right, Paul, listen, it's a's what the dog yeah you can't use whip the diva what the dump what the dump does close enough I promise it it's a great congratulations on the show it's gonna be a great pleasure having you on the show can't wait to see the edited version of this it's gonna be a there's gonna be three or four weeks of editing I will not be sleeping to me when it's done it's gonna be fucking good congratulations on the reboot and then we're gonna but we're to have the reboot characters from the show, the 3d show, the kids show. Yeah, we're going to have

them as a part of the staff. That's cool. What are their names? It's spark splash, quirk, spark quirk and pixel, pixel and pixel. That's right. And bit. I'll be too. Obviously, it's like the junior, they add bit, they add bit, he's like the, the bit bot. He's like the, he's like the Scooby Doo edition, the cousin. Cool, scrappy doo, thank you. He's like scrappy doo. You know what, if it was perfect, it wouldn't be in keeping with the other hundred episodes. I think what makes it so right is how deeply flawed it was.

So you said that 30 were good, but 70 or 30 were good 70 were bad. Where's this one sit? I think this one is, uh, I'll be honest with you. I think this was a good one. Okay. All right. Keeper. All right. That's what we're going to have to run this because we don't have any other. Have a house. It's weekly. It's weekly. Yeah. All right. So, you know, you learn as you go, you live and you learn and you learn and you you and you and you get depends. You know, I'll tell you what, they can't all be winners. All right. Anyhow, Paul, thank you so much. Hey, it's great to be here. And now you've got to come back on the reboot. Now, the question is, what the hell am I going to do on your re-reward? What are we going to do together? We'll have to figure that out. We could do a live, you know, we could do

a live like tech Q&A Q&A. What does that mean? Like helping to be fixed or see you on the drive? So many calls off and they're like, I'm gonna drive. I'm gonna install a different driver for the CD, the CD unit in your, in your tower PC. Paul, thank you so much for doing this. Josh, I love you. I know, I love you too. But we're doing good work and we're trying our best. I think we did. I think we did our best.

We're just dads, dads making our way. We're a couple of dads doing our best, but I do want to say I want you to come back. I'm excited to see what, let me do. I think we did our best. We're just dads. Dad's making our way. We're a couple of dads who did our best, but I do want to say I want you to come back. I'm excited to see what, let me do a new show. I think you come up with the craziest shit. No, I don't know that. No, no, no, no, that makes us sound a lot more epic than what I had planned. I don't accept that. It's good to do new things.

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Just just don't worry about just follow me on Twitter at Advise calm check it out. It's all of train. That's my Twitter handle at F training Also, he's found a tilde club, which is a hot star that everybody's talking about. I got deal with till I got my page up It's pretty good. It's good. It's good page. Yeah, it's great stuff anyhow Paul. Thank you so much. Josh love you Love your show very genuine feeling as mutual It's pretty good. It's good. Good page. Yeah, it's great stuff. Anyhow, Paul, thank you so much. Josh, love you. Love your show. Very genuine. Feeling as mutual as this.

This is real. Can't wait to see the new thing. Great. Well, that is our show. High five. Do you ever dies? We're not going to actually high five. That's a theater high five is what you just heard.

It was the best thing was that I had you here. I think that this was probably the nicest time I've had. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back soon with more new tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best. But unfortunately, for you, you'll have to inform your family that there is no God and no order in this world. And the only fate that we make is our own.