Tomorrow - Episode 12: Nic Offer Puts Taylor Swift, Daft Punk, and Charlie XCX On Blast

Episode Date: June 29, 2015

Nic Offer, lead singer and frontman of dance punk band !!! (pronounced Chk Chk Chk), charms his way through a recording in the Tomorrow studio. Nic generously shares stories about dating a switchboard operator at an escort service frequented by a famous politician, his drug habits, and his adventures in an adult diaper. Josh and Nic also engage in a lengthy discussion about recent events involving Taylor Swift and Apple, who's ripping off Nic's dance moves, and reminisce about the time they recorded an album together. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, and welcome to Tomorrow. I'm your host, Josh with Zipolski. Today on the podcast, we discussed Elliott Spitzer, Charlie XCX, and the last time I was high. But first, a word from our sponsor. This episode of Tomorrow with Joshua Dipolski is is brought to you by Nadex, binary options trading. Say you think the markets are going up, you can go to nadex.com and make a trade on that. You're not buying stock, you're trading on where you think the price will be by a certain

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Normally like the guest doesn't need to know introduction. That's also I do sort of intro myself but anyhow my guest is Nick offer the lead singer of Chick, Chick, Chick. Otherwise known as three exclamation marks or it can be any sound, any staccato, any tight sound. I mean, it's marginalised because of Google. You couldn't Google the exclamation marks so you had to spell it like CHK. We fought with the record coming from the French K.

We had CHK, CHK. That's how you Google it. Are you on the get up on the mic here? Don't be too far away. I mean, you don't have to be on it. You don't have to be all over it, but just make sure you don't. And this is not like one of your performances

where you can just wiggle around and dance. Okay, this is a conversation. Okay. Have you ever done a podcast before? I've never done a conversation before. You've, it's my first one. I'm really excited about it. I'm having vodka,

Nick's not having anything to drink. I'm having coffee. Let me tell you some fact. Well, that's not, that's not really a drink. It's gonna, sometimes I want to have my coffee and I'll say things I shouldn't have said about. I was talking to a bunch of shit about this other artist. Where you? Who? Who was it?

Well, then I'd be talking shit to my face. Come on, who are you talking to? About, you know, well, like an indie artist or a big artist. And I don't want to, and it was an artist that I respect. Who was it? It was, it was daffron. Okay, let's hear, where were you saying about daffron? Well, I just and it was an artist that I respect who was it it was It was daff pun Where were you saying where were you saying about daff pun? Well, I just thought it was kind of like you know, I thought their whole

Rollout for the last album was kind of like it was kind of like artisanal Tech techno or whatever, you know, it was like they're using real studios and real since and it was kind of like You know, it's like and they spent like what like a million dollars making that record. And it has like everything's authentic. It can really go that day, I think. It doesn't sound as good as the first album that they made in their bedroom. A whole different record. I know a whole different record, don't you think?

And that's the thing, that's why I did not like talking shit about them because obviously they had to make the record from where they're at now. And they have access. I can't go in and make a million dollar record. You know, so they made it. And that's cool after this. The only reason I was, I just want to say,

the only reason I was talking shit about them is is I just, I don't like their disrespect of young kids in Ableton. You know, those kids are making amazing records. And I don't think that- Did they disrespect them? Yeah, I think, I felt like that was there, the whole kind of like philosophy behind the album.

Really? I thought it was more like, we have been, I thought it was more like, we've I thought it was more like we've spent our careers thus far Like basically sampling records from the 70s. Yeah, yeah, and now we're gonna make a record from the 70s ourselves Like using the techniques. Yeah, yeah, and the equipment of 70s like sure Basically of like 70s in the maybe early 80s producers. Yeah, that's my take on so I'm not get you So you see like an asshole now that you seen that I feel like you're maybe do. I didn't want to talk shit on this artist.

I mean, Daph, let's just let's be clear. Daph, one, change my life. Yeah. And I think there's some great songs on that last record. But I hope they're not listening. I mean, they probably are. Probably. I mean, when they hear this, they're probably going to be up.

They're probably fans of Chick-Chick chicken. They're going to hear this. I'm going to be like, we love those guys, and now they've thrown us under the bus for no reason. I feel really bad. And you know, they weren't hard to make them really nervous. I had some great times to that last album.

I just think you're gonna put up with the best song from the last half-poch record. Ah! I mean, besides Get Lucky, because that's obviously, like you, none I'm saying like, what is your, like, what would you say? My favorite!

What would you say is your bet is your favorite song from that record? I really liked the Julian cast the block this one. Yeah. That one I thought was really great. The Pan Bear track is you never really likes that one. It's so repetitive. Yeah. I like that one.

It's the top. That one's the top. I'd say the Julian one or the other for row one. The lose y'all South of dance. I thought you like that. You like that better than Get Lucky. No, I said Get Lucky was obviously the top. Yeah, it's so here.

So here's one for you. Okay get lucky versus Defunk No question man. What no question the funk yeah, right? You know like without a doubt Is that the name of the song? I'm like it's like that is the name of the song right? Yeah, that's that's it You song yeah, yeah, that's the song to like When I heard it and I heard it when I was like a rave DJ Sure, yeah, and I didn't play anything that speed because it's slow right? It's like 109 or something. Okay. It's like not as fast. Yeah

I was like first off I was like I wish I could play this because I was playing like trance at 140 beats Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I was like what aliens made this shit right because it's so outrageous what aliens made this shit. Because it's so outrageous. Because that song's so good as like a guitar driven like house track. And then the middle is just like, oh wait, this is from outer space. We're gonna drop a sick nasty,

distorted 303 all over everything. Yeah. You know that bit is like to me, what techno music sounds like. Sure. The mid part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's interesting to hear your perspective,

but honestly, because I mean, my perspective was as a punk. And so I didn't know, like, I heard they're like, oh, the Rippin' Off Todd Terry, the Rippin' Off Dance Mania, or Chicago stuff. And like, I didn't know. To me, it sounded like, to me, it sounds like a bit, like they push, I'm trying to think of what a good comparison.

It's, I don't know, it's like, it's like you have like all those 80s English indie bands, and then you have the Smiths. You know, it's kind of like, it kind of what a good comparison. I don't know. It's like, you have all those 80s English indie bands and then you have the Smiths. It's kind of turned into something richer. You have those side bands that end up being Floyd. No, they're like a bit richer. Yeah, it's beyond anything that anybody was doing at the time.

It was just completely outrageous. Let's talk about you a little bit. You guys just finished your record. Indeed. I feel like for a second, I sound a lot like a radio guy. As soon as you say that, just wrap it up a your record. Indeed. I feel like for a second, I sound a lot like a radio guy. As soon as you say that, just wrap it up a new record. You're going on tour next fall.

Tell me what your mindset is right now. I'm like, I'm like, who's a guy who does like rock, who's a guy who does like rock and roll interviews on the radio anymore? Does that even exist? I still listen to rock line as a kid. Do you remember that show? They. I just remember listening as a kid. Do you remember that show? Vagely.

I just remember listening as a kid and there was Van Halen was on the air like right when 1984 came out. Wow. And then all of a sudden there was just like all this commotion. And they're like, whoa, whoa, then the radio's gonna say,

well I think I should tell you that a naked woman has just walked into the studio. Are you serious? I'm serious. Is that what I remember as a teen? Were you like, this is the greatest thing ever? Is that what you decided to become a rock Are you serious? I'm serious. Is that what I remember as a teen? Were you like, this is the greatest thing I've ever had. Is that what you decided to become a rock and roll musician? No, no, I never made that decision.

Oh, had you? At the age of 10? Not seven. It's seven. What happened? You know what, honestly, I heard, I heard kiss. Really? And I'm not a kiss fan today.

I'm not a kiss fan today. I wasn't really even then. I just liked the right ones. I know it's judging you. No one's judging you. I mean, people are probably judging you. No, because a kiss fan today. I wasn't really even then. I just liked the red ones in the song. No one's judging you. No one's judging you. I mean, people are pro-judge. No, because people love kiss and I just don't get it.

Like, kiss is like low on the low and on the toe of a pole of rock fans. They have a couple of catchy songs, but they're not very good. No, certainly not. I don't think it's a controversial state, babe. No, I mean, people really ride for them though. But to me, it's like, people ride for kiss. I don't think that's true. No, they didn't. Ride or ride.

Certainly not ride. Not stuff like that. I don't think they ride either, but anyhow, I guess it's not planned. Ah, fuck. I just don't think, I just don't think. It's not like Springsteen. He is certainly not.

People who are into Springsteen are like serious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're all like, they're steel workers. People are serious about kiss that. One guy from Pantera, I remember he got buried in a kiss coffin I think everyone's ever been buried in a blue spring sting coffin I just you know that else. I think one guy from Pantera does is not a good like map of what who the who the general kiss listener is

Like that one guy from Pantera really like this Who got there? Oh look there's a lot of kiss fans out there. That's a serious thing. It's a serious thing. If you say so. All right. Anyhow, so you just finished a new record. Okay, yes. Tell me about that.

So I should say, hold on a second. I should backtrack here a little bit. I know I'm doing it again. I bring people on here and I, we're supposed to talk about the future, but we talk about the past. You got to know your past or what is it, Bob Marley said something. Bob Marley said something.

You know what it is. Google it. Okay. Wow. Wow. That's strong stuff. That's powerful. You know, think about that guys. Think about what Bob Marley said. And let us know because neither of us know exactly what he said.

What is it? Email a magnus. My producer who is also Swedish. Email magnus. It's our podcast with what you think Bob Marley said that Nick was trying to reference. And then next week we'll read them. We'll read your answers on the show.

So we should talk about our history actually, how do we know each other? Yeah, how do we know each other? How do we know each other? We met each other in the studio, I believe. Yeah, in the studio. In the brother studio. In brother studio. Yeah.

You and your brother the same day. My brother and I had a studio in Brooklyn and we just did it. We made a record. We produced a record together at our studio. It's called Myth Takes. It was, look it up right now. It was given an eight on pitch fork point. Oh, eight point.

Oh, yeah, which we can talk about in a second because remember, we had a, a lot of conversations about that. Oh, yeah, right, right. Whether it's I predicted it was going to be eight or above. And yeah, and it was. Yeah, they just, just, it couldn't be too nice to us. They were, that was like, because at eight point, I meant something different

at that point. No, that was a big deal. Yeah, I just remember when I got the score, I was like, eight? No, I was, you're wrong. That's wrong. You were not pissed and I remember. I'll tell you what.

You were not in the room with me when we got that score. I know, I know how you reacted to that score though. How did I react because the previous scores they given you were not very nice I don't know if you know this but when I was in our hood we got like a nine point out a different story out How's a different story different bad different story, but shake shake shake. I remember I was talking about We don't have a seven point oh I'm like a two point four. Yeah, two point four seven point oh yeah I know I'm like a two point four. Yeah, two point four, seven point oh. Yeah.

Yeah. I want to say this graph actually. From two point four to seven point oh. Eight point oh. Yeah, back down. We're going back down. Well, maybe you're gonna go anyhow, but I remember you being very pleased.

That, okay. I'm in your suppress that I, that I, that I, my words, my words at yours, was bond in the situation. Nailed that. No, I just remember we were in a An arrest rent. I'm sure yeah, I remember I was

On a R this out. Okay, I was a restaurant in Tokyo. They told us I was going to see you definitely not there. They told me the score and I was in a Fucking bad mood already. I was just like eight point. Oh, yeah, I was mad. That's weird though because in eight point I was considered very good for pitch work in these days and these days, but usually I feel like when they give something an 8.0 now It's like because they have to really you know, it's like 8.0 like we're riding for this artist But it's not actually that good. I don't know. I don't know

I honestly this record isn't that I don't hear the thing I don't believe in reviews of like art because I think it's a really weird thing I mean, I believe in them like what I like is critique what I like is critique. What I like is critique. Lauren and I were just talking about this. Critique is really important. Like to talk about where things come from, like contextualize them. Like you can say from an opinion, your opinion, like you're a critic, your opinion is,

I don't think this is good because they didn't execute or didn't get to say whatever. I just think it's weird to say like, somebody says, this is my favorite record. This is the best record ever made. Which I believe like you, everybody has. And then somebody goes wrong. This is the best record ever made.

It's like, listen, like, that's like, I like this painting, but you don't like that painting. It's like, who's right? There is no right there. I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that critique doesn't have a place, it does have a place. And as a person who's reviewed a lot of things, but I think I've reviewed things that have empirical,

like you can make empirical calls on them. You can say like, this phone makes better calls than that phone. That's like a scientific factor or whatever. You know, like this browser is faster than that, but you know, it's like basically like text sounds really easy to quantify. But I think you can quantify taste.

I mean, you know what, you know good taste about taste when you see it, but. Yeah. I mean, it's certainly worked itself into another kind of entertainment this criticism, you know, well it should be a For a minute and it's like certainly like there's a lot of reviews that I read I would never listen to that record But I you know, I mean something gets a 2.4. I'm gonna read that review and probably will not be the best reviews or bad reviews Yeah, yeah, when like when a. O. Scott writes a really bad review of a movie It's like a joy to read.

Right, sure. I mean, the bad thing. It's not fun to read some high praise of something. Like, oh, you thought Kanye's record was genius, that's nice. Yeah. But sometimes, I mean, I'm like, they take down the door for that stuff.

I do like to read. I do like to read that stuff. Sometimes. Maybe you have a different views on artists. And you read Lou Reed's take on, did you know that after he died, there was something published. The uses one. It was the him listen to users and talking about all. And that was like one of the greatest things. It was almost like, almost good for him

to go out on that. It was almost like a great epitaph. Dark, that is really dark. Well, I said dark things about Lou Reed. You know what I used to say about Lou Reed? No, I used to say, okay, this is not gonna be good. I would, I used to say I wish he would hurry up and die so we could miss him. Oh, wow. First half-pugged out, Louie, you're really batting. I don't know, I don't know how that works. But let me say, I don't know how that works. You got it.

Whatever's bad, that's what you're bad. Can I just say that the night that he died, I mean, I cried. I mean, I listen. That doesn't really make up for what he said. I played, sad, sad. Like, I missed him, it happened. I mean, I think it's not bad.

Look, it was a prickly character. No one's down in that. He did things that you didn't have to do. He could have just been a little bit darker with Metallica. I mean, he didn't have to do that. Right, right. But I mean, if he had wrote that Jesus review,

he would have been remembered for Lulu. I think it was more like a transcription, but anyhow. Well, whatever he did. It was a great review. And it's something that I think about, still, you know, what is the great quote he said, you know, what is the great quote he and he said, you know, an artist makes something because he thinks it's beautiful. And it really made you be like, fuck, should I listen

to Lulu again? You know, you're actually really good. You don't realize that. Is it? Put the best song on Lulu up against the best Daft Punk song from their first record. Can we do that? Like we go, can we get that?

Can we follow that Magnus? Magnus is like, don't make me listen to the music. Magnus, I want you to pick in the edit. They're gonna be in one second, okay? Sorry, my nose is very itchy. In one second, no one second, but right after I'm done talking, Magnus is going to play what he thinks,

snippets of the best song from homework, and the best song from the Metallica Lou Reed collaboration, Lou Lou. That song from the Metallica Lou Reed collaboration Lulou. You know what I see actually in the other room is a whole screen of Bob Marley Quill images. I like when they take those and put them on somebody else, like put these Marley quotes on Steve Jobs. Yeah. You know? Like at like no woman, no cry, Steve Jobs. That's really good. I saw the greatest thing in the world the other day.

Oh, wow. Congratulations. I must have been a incredible moment for you. Similar along the same lines. It's a t-shirt that has the unknown pleasures. Oh, sure. Ways of sound wave. I saw sound waves, but whatever.

Yeah, whatever. And it says instead of unknown pleasures, Jordi vision unknown pleasures. It has Smooth by Santana featuring Rob Todd It is the greatest. That's a good one. I greatest thing in the world It's like my number one favorite. I should I don't wear really And is it in that wording too? He's exactly the same. The screen rubbed. Yeah, it's exact same.

It's exact how the song is labeled. But with unknown. I like it. That's great. That's great. Anyhow, so we were talking about what were we talking about? Can I ask you a question? You tweeted a couple months ago.

Yeah. A song on a Friday night. Yeah. This says it's a great song or whatever. And then like 15 minutes later you tweeted, music is night. Yeah. This is a great song, whatever. And then like 15 minutes later you tweeted, music is amazing. Yeah. Were you high?

What was the song? Were you high? Hold on, what was the song? I wanna know. I feel like it was some Swedish crowd song. It was like 10 minutes long. And it was good. Do you know what you find?

Can you find my Twitter account? Because you were searched for at-jobs. Wait, you know, my- I'm not telling you, are you of your phone? Give me a kiss. Is this online? I told you to put it on the airplane mode. Do a search for at Josh. Wait, you know, I know you have your phone. Give me this online. I told you to put it on airplane mode. I put it on the moon. What's your code?

2121. Hey, guys, if you if you're around, if you're around Nick and you see his phone, his lock goes to one to one. Here's your latest search. Hold on. Here's your latest search in Safari. Prospect Park Paris is burning tomorrow night. What is that? It's the that Vogue movie, that Vogue documentary, they're showing it tomorrow. You have like Vogue up on your lockscreen. That's just my love. Just my love. It's Vogue Vogue era Madonna. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on a second I'm gonna do a search for this right now. I'm actually now I know what you're talking so so we

Do you answer the question? I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. Where you high? Wait, what do I say music is amazing? Yeah I if I wasn't high I was drunk. Oh really? I can tell you that or I would not get high anymore or I was drinking I was the last time you were high like on weed on anything. Oh Do do painkillers count? Mm-hmm I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you're like, you're like in the fast, where you're like bright lights big city or something, right? That's me. That's me. I'm like Michael J. Fox in the film version of bright lights big city. I never saw a film I only read the book.

I wonder what the song was. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you're like in the fast,

where you're like, bright lights big city or something, right? That's me. That's me. I'm like Michael J. Fox in the film version of bright lights big city. I never saw a film I only read the book.. I'm like Michael J. Fox in the film version of Bright Lights Big City. I never saw a film I only read the book. I want to know what the song was.

That's what I want to know. It's we have to know Magnus. This is not going to be good if we don't know. It was your quote. You, you, this is on January 24th. That's a total. I have. I tweeted a whole day.

I said right close to midnight. I said, come back. Rock and Roll never forgets. Let's make another record, only kind of joking. And what did I say? Uh, doesn't have, I responded. Yeah, you did respond. I was like, let's do this.

Yeah, you were, you're gonna find it. 24th of January. There should be a way to go and look at your tweets from a certain day. This is the worst. Okay, anyways. So what do I do? So yeah, I said music is amazing.

I tweeted, you're saying that I tweeted a song. And then I said music is amazing. I tweeted, you're saying that I tweeted up song. And then I said music is amazing. And the song was very trippy. It's a 10 minute like crowd. You still have an answer when was the last time you get high. It was January 24th, wasn't it? I mean, I smoked weed recently. Okay, you know, a little bit of weed.

Okay. But you're not like a, what are you smoke once a month? Once a year? Once a week. I'm not a regular, I'm not a regular week. I don't we I don't like I don't like it's a bad that's a bad drug for me I make a lot of jokes about it, but to me so I don't know I was talking about actually being so high So high at your house. Oh Great stuff great stuff. Nick as always showed me the first iPhone What we were all high gathered around you.

I don't think you were high. I don't think you were high. You were high. Just I'm weed. I'm weed as usual. You know, one last time you were high. Like a week ago. I smoked weed once a week.

That long. You just pick a day. Kinda, I kind of like a weekend warrior. I, you know, I, I can't, I think it's good to get out of my head. Yeah. But I can't do it all the time. Of course you do. I do it pretty regularly. And then I, I'm gonna listen to some stuff. I'm like, can I think it's good to get out of my head. Yeah, but I can't do it all the time Right, of course you do pretty regularly like and then I'm on or I'm gonna listen to some stuff I'm like kind of it planned out. I think that's a good

I think that's how people should get right. I don't like this wake and bake all day. No, that's crazy Let's do it like that anyhow, so you're saying that you were stoned It was 2007 we were at the studio probably working no we finished the record. This is after the right Oh, really? It's one of the first iPhone 2007 Oh really? Yeah, it's a record was just coming out. Yeah exactly. We're partying your house. Okay, probably celebrated probably blast in the album Yeah, definitely I'm sure cuz it's a great party record killer. I mean if you haven't a party this weekend put it on put it on Put on bed. I'm ready to have it on repeat

That's the one that song we spent just to say there's a song on the records in the middle of the record. It's it's it's right at the end It's there from last. No, no, no, well, how long is the record though? How many of us try? I mean, it's like 11 12 sometimes I mean, yeah, I never bet you've been it's a song. The hook of the song is Bend over Beethoven tell mom of the news. What's the next part? Tell your mother the news. Yeah. Don't you prefer that live? This is one of the old ones that people do request, but we don't do a lot of old stuff. Anyhow, so there's a break. Like there was a point, there's a point in the middle of the song. And next, like, I really want this to be like a crazy like rave build up.

I wanted to go like break way down and then build a way way up. And we were in the studio for days. And Nick was like, no, bigger. Basically, it's going to be crazier. It's bigger. I don't know how to, the structure of the song didn't exactly lend itself to be. It wasn't. It's not a rave song.

It's like kind of like a funky kind of like, it's like in the pocket funky. It's a deep groove. It's really like the band digs in. It's a nice version of the band jamming out. Yeah. And that song just turned into the joke of the record because the record was finished several times. And then I call you up and be like,

Hey, we got to come back in. And you're like, bend over Beethoven. I'm like, you know. Yeah. You know, we had probably like a part of it, but it had to, honestly, listen, I listened to it now and I think we could have taken it further. You know, I listened to it now and I'm like, why didn't we go further? Here's what I always tell people about it, son, because you're, listen, I listened to it now, and I think we could have taken it further. You know, I listened to it now, and I'm like, why didn't we go further?

But here's what I always tell people about this one. Cause you're talking about, you're like, that was, that was the funny, that was the final payoff. Right. Was that, we worked on it so hard for track 10 on the 12 song record. Who's going to listen to track 10? And then, and then, and then Tom, the orc was on the BBC. And he says, yeah, can you play this song? Ben, that's apparently, did that actually happen? Have you heard him say that? This is, this was reported to me by, yeah, can you play this song? Ben, that's apparently that actually happened. Have you heard him say that? This is this was reported to me by. Okay. Yeah.

Apparently Tom, you're played on he played in the BBC. He was like, this is one of my songs. I'm jamming to right now. Yeah. So that was like, it made it all worth it. I feel like it does make it all worth it. And anyhow, so you guys came to the studio and we made a record together. We had some good times.

It was fun. I mean, here's a thing. A lot of the here's the thing. I've said this before, but the idea of sitting in a room, I mean, as an engineer and a producer, this is something that's really like apparent to me and a lot of other people, maybe not, they would not have this perspective,

but it's really crazy to sit with like five people and just like work a drum sound until you get it. Like the snare needs to be more like, people say things like the snare needs to be more wet. Or like, can you make the snare like more punchy, but with some oomph? And I think people like that, people say shit like that and be more like, people say things like, the snare needs to be more wet. You're like, can you make the snare more punchy, but with some oomph? And things like that, people say shit like that. And you're like, I don't know,

like the snare needs to sound more electric. Or whatever. And you get literally sit there for hours on a snare sound, right? Or like a bass sound or whatever. It's such a weird alchemy that you do when you're like, oh, I have a vision in my brain of what the sound is supposed to be like.

And then you work reality to shape the sound. Like you're like, oh, I have a vision in my brain of what the sound is supposed to be like, and then you work reality to shape the sound. Like you're actually working. You are twiddly knobs to get something out of your head and into meet space. Yeah, yeah. It's just very weird experience. It is, especially when it's a group project. But you actually were always worked really fast.

I was very fast. I don't remember a lot of just like, you had an insane way of working. Did I? No, this, you listeners out there don't know that he actually is like unlike any other engineer I ever worked with. He's like manic and he's working on 12 things at once. And then it pulls it all together.

Also, one thing I remember is, I remember when we were making that record, we talked a lot. There was a lot of talking. And I would be sitting there. Yeah, you did. Yeah, that's how you got a podcast. You were talking.

I'd have, but I remember sitting there and feeling like, are we gonna, like, ever stop talking? Are we gonna make this record? Yeah. Like I think it's a very common thing that people think about me. Well, but in the end, I was like, well, we made a good record and that was fun.

So I've kind of kept that philosophy for the records I've made since then. Like, you should be having a good time. Like if you stop and talk for 40 minutes and like play 10 songs on YouTube, like that's great. Like you're supposed to be hanging out having a good time. That gives good vibes for a record. You think you think Skinnerd went in the studio and was like, let's get this thing done.

Really, they went in there and they had some beers, they had some, they had smoked some weed. Yeah. No, that's a bad joke. Some girls over, you know, they listened to, they listened to their favorite records. They talked about, they talked about when they were all a bunch of huge races and how great it used to be before, before like the North one, right, right. And then they, maybe lay down a couple of drum tracks. Maybe, maybe, maybe. So you used to date a girl who worked as a switch operator at the

escort service, frequented. That sounded like a lie by Heli. It's like a switcher. Yeah, I dated the switch operatorented. Does that sound like a lie? By Heli, it's a good turn. Yeah, I dated the switch operator. Doesn't that sound like a lie? Explain that to me. Explain that to me. I don't know. That was just her job. She had a couple of jobs.

And then she told me, the funny thing about this story is that she told me that she's like, yeah, it's crazy. Like, yeah, I run the switch board. All these guys have a lot of high class. High class. Yeah, before he was caught. We talked about this. Did we not? We back then. Well, here, let me tell you the story as I recall it. Okay. So she told me this. Then we're all at a polite dinner one night, someone's birthday.

As we always were. And as he always were. Um, and, and I bring up, I was like, wow, so this girl I've been dating says that Elliott spitzer comes into this agency that she works at all the time. It's called Girl Agency. And this is before that news broke. And remember, someone at that table had been working on Elliott Spitzer's campaign, and someone got very upset and left in it was all here.

When was I there? You were definitely there. I know, I'm absolutely there. We were at that restaurant. Where is it? It's right at the Winsburg rig. No, it's on in Lower East Side. It was like a Congee village maybe the Chinese place. Yeah, yeah, like right off right off. You come off the West the

Bridge on the coming over. It's on the left We were there. It's congee village and we're all gonna go to like That place on Broadway. We're gonna go dance after I don't maybe you weren't gonna make that you didn't go dancing with this a lot back Dance I mean, I've got incredible physical moves place on Broadway, we're gonna go dance after. Maybe you weren't gonna make, you didn't go dancing with this a lot back then. Man, it comes. It comes. Dance. Man, I've got incredible physical moves. Anyhow, go ahead. Did you guys find them in there?

Anyways. Oh, I always say, I gotta take a break. Two things are gonna happen. We're gonna take a break, cause we're gonna be an advertisement. Okay. But when we come back, I'm gonna get, we're gonna get this tweet revealed to us

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Do you know who it is? It's a song. Hold on. Wait, how many finished bands do you listen to? I know that I'm still like, I have no idea what this is. You were right. Oh, it's a song, lucky by the band's circle. Yeah. Circle. Now, there's a couple of it's a song by the band's circle. Yeah. Circle.

Now there's a couple of bands named Circle, but this circle is, and this is no offense to Titch-to-Titch that puts on a great show. I don't really like going to see live music. Right. I went to see Circle, a friend of mine, because I had a lot of friends like in the early 2000s, like all everybody I knew was like really into crowd rock.

And if you're listening to a crowd rock, it's crowd rock is music that essentially're listening to a crowd rock is, crowd rock is music that essentially it was, it really started in Germany, we hence the name crowd rock. It's very repetitive, very loopy. Like a little bit electronic, a little bit rock and roll, mostly like, it's really cerebral loopy,

repetitive, just like grooves. It's like grooves. And Brian Eno was involved in a lot of early crowd rock and he took a lot of crowd rock ideas and started into what would become like his later pop music. I mean, he did a lot of experimentation around like those kind of ideas as well,

but also took like some very like crowd rock ideas and started into like great pop records, like taking Tiger Mountain by strategy and here come the warm jets and so on and so forth. Do you agree or disagree with all of that? Everything you've said is correct. Okay. Big influence on chick, chick, chick.

I mean, Ryan Eno is to me the one of the greatest, if not maybe the greatest producer of all time. I mean, to me as well. I mean, George Martin is certainly up there, but his stuff is so much more linear by comparison. He's up there. He's up there. It's much more linear by comparison, but but but, but, but, Ryan Eno, like reinventing

music and has continued to do it actually for a long time I mean he's responsible for like you to his most impressive music. He's responsible for cold plays most impressive He did war he did a really we're gonna start our new album. Let's not go there anyhow Anyhow so this band circle yet is like Metal it's like Crout Rock Cross with metal. Do you know circle? I listened to that song when you tweeted.

I liked it. These guys, and they would perform, they were kind of like low budget guar, like they have outfits, like they have like, like the lead singer has a kind of like, I mean, they're sort of, they're from Finland where like a lot of, there's a lot of black metal that hails from Finland.

Am I right, Magnus, and saying that? Magnus is a huge fan of black metal, by the way. And this is true, right? That's true. Metal generally, but Magnus can tell you more about metal than pretty much any other person you've ever met in your entire life. Anyhow, but it's like if you took the best of metal when it really grew, look at this, he's got a, I can't read the top Swedish death metal tote bag. Right. We're just very a perfect thing for Magnus because he's like a dad who lives in Greenpoint, but he's also really a metal. You don't see a lot of metal guys with

toe. He puts all his pacifiers and bottles in there. Oh, there's a book. There's a book Swedish death metal, which I'm not, which I'm not plugging. That's a good book. That Magnus translated. Huh. He just translated. He just translated. Anyhow, anyhow. So they're like, they're like the best grievous part of like metal. Yeah.

Crossed with the best part of a crowd rock and like the little guar sprinkled in. And they're amazing. And that song is amazing. I was, I wasn't high. I could tell you, I had not done any drugs, but I definitely was drinking when I was supposed to listen to it.

Well, it sounded like a good song to get high too. You'll find, there's a period for me in the evenings, like when I'm like having some vodka and on Twitter, just like perusing, and you'll find some lively, you'll see some like lively activity for me. You can tell there's like drunk Twitter. There's like people who like get on Twitter in the evenings. Right, right. And you know they're having a glass of wine and it is letting their hair down.

And they're going for it. Yeah. I'm one of those people. Oh, that's great. Sometimes it goes further than just a glass of wine. It goes from Twitter to waste to Twitter. Goes from drunk Twitter to Coke Twitter. No, anyhow, okay.

So we answered that now. We're gonna hear the end of Nick's Elliot Spitzer story. The only thing is it was, we were at, we were at dinner. We were at dinner. You brought up the conversation. You were dating a girl that was the switchboard operator

for the phones at the escort house, where Elliott Spitzer was a regular customer. Yeah. Okay. And then someone there at this table worked on Elliot Spitzer's campaign and was just like outraged that I would even say this. They're like, I don't believe this. I don't believe it. I don't believe it.

And they left the dinner early. And it was like all kind of rage. They were in rage. And it was all kind of weird. God, sorry. I mean, this is what she told me. And then, you know, months after that, we of course weren't speaking.

And then that came out in the news and I was like, you really wanted to call. And you were like, I got to call and say, I told you so. That's that shocky. Now, Magnus did a bio. Now, we know each other well, so I didn't need it. But there are things in this bio. I have a note here that says that you once went number two in a diaper.

Can I hear more about that? You know what? What, you've never gone number two in a diaper. I mean, when I was a child, presumably, when I was a baby, I'm guessing. I have a good follow up question to this also. Do you want me to answer the question? You want me to give me the follow up question first? No, I want you to answer it.

Yes, I have taken a shit in a diaper, and an adult diaper. A friend of mine was a baby for Halloween, and there was a bunch of diapers sitting around the house, so I'm like, I'm gonna check it out. And the thing about this is, do you want to say anything? No, I don't.

Just go ahead. The thing about this is, you know when you're joking around, you're having a good time, and then you make this joke that just like, everyone's like, that's not funny. And it's just like, you can't be turning back from it. It's kind of like, I'm in your pals

and you say something super racist. And it's like the record scratches. Yeah. Not that I would ever do that, but I'm assuming. Sure, I've seen people do that. But that's what it was like, because I was hanging out with my friends, and I was like, hey, you know what I'm doing right now?

And they're like, chicken coffee, and I was like because I was hanging out with my friends and I was like hey, you know what I'm doing right now and they're like Shrieking coffee and I was like I'm taking a shit How old were you 30 so pretty recently. Yeah, so like last week Yeah, really I have a different birthday for you here if that's the case all right Let's talk about that. I'll talk about the time I took a shit. It's high-res of the top, but not how old I am. Okay, fine. Now, I'll we follow that up.

Yeah. Sorry, is there more? You wouldn't just that it was just like they did not think it was funny. It was like, I thought it would be fun. It would be interesting too. The interesting you could have just said you were doing it. No, I thought it was interesting that I was actually doing it. And I was like looking in the eye, I was like, check it out, I'm taking a shit that I was actually doing it and I was like looking him in the eye. I was like, check it out.

I'm taking a shift right now. How about this? No, not. I'm using to them. My follow up is that the note hits as you used to work as a nanny. Is that any intrusion? What a follow up. Yes, that is true actually.

Yeah, I have. It's in fact, once I want to hear more detail. Once this whole dance rock movement is over, that's the Yeah, I have. It's in fact, one story, I wanna hear more detail. Once this whole dance rock movement is over, that's the only skill I have, and that's what I will be back to doing. Being an Annie. Yeah. It's dance rock, I think it's over.

That's the joke, Josh. So what's a new record? And over. Is it over? I don't know. It's certainly been over. It's certainly been over. The new records, it's like a VG.

No, it's a E.M. It's not E.M. Do you follow dance music. I actually always wonder about you and I follow I try to follow all music Because I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, except country. All right, so we're talking we've talked about music a lot. Yeah, let's talk Let's talk about something that's actually relevant Taylor Swift made a huge announcement No, let's know what I want to say, but so you're listen. You're an artist. You've been, you've been making music for like professional, like over 20 years. Like over 20 years. And Trichet Chick has certainly had a fair share of success. Outhud has had to share success.

What else have you done? What are their, what are their acts? That's it. That's pretty much the punk band called the Yamas. Yeah, nobody knows that band. But, but I mean, you're, you know, like, the music industry is one of the worst industries in the world. I mean, I, having participated in it for about a decade. For a hundred gazillion reasons.

You know, like, it's a band industry, but so there's been a lot of activity lately in music, because Apple announced this Apple music, which is a streaming service, that basically is like Spotify, but they, you know, presumably are going to pay artists more money. Yeah.

What is it? Okay, wait, wait, let me get this right. Title place, 75%, Spotify pays 70, and Apple comes in like, how about 71.5? Isn't that right? Are those statistics right? I don't know the numbers. I think that's what this just makes that up.

No, I feel like that's almost exactly what it is. You're not actually what it is. Well, I mean, the funny thing about this is not the part of the stuff I pay attention to. Right, but the fact is that the artist, you're, that's the label what the labels get paid. Yeah. What the artist gets paid.

That's kind of what happened. Isn't that kind of what happened? This is a classic music industry story. Like the labels come in, they're the business people. So they come in there like, well, let's sort this out and let's get this much for ourselves. You know, it's like the same story as the fifth. But you can't, but you can't really be an artist without a label now. Can you? I don't know. Can't

you more than ever. I mean, can you tell me why don't you, why don't you get off a label? Get it? Just do your own thing. I mean, I'm on a label. I'm a label. We're on warp records. You're still on warp. Yeah, okay. You know, is that fantastic? That's what we're thinking. It's a long relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's it. Do you need more? Because, that's the more we're thinking. They have a long relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's it. Do you need Warp? Because if that's 75, the 71 point, whatever was going to you.

I mean, what we do about Warp is we've worked out a good relationship that works. Like we're a class of good relationship of a band with a label like we like what you don't want to do. Not really. Like they promo the record to people. They like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they do the stuff that we make sure that you've got like a band or boss when you need to go into. No, they do the stuff that we don't want to do. They make sure that you've got like a van or a boss when you need to go into one. They don't do that.

Who does that? Probably Mario. I know we have it. We should just go independent. If you're not doing that. Well we have a manager too. So Mario, but Mario has kind of managed this so they both kind of do it together. I don't know.

We have a good work and relationship with them. We've worked out a way that it works together. Right. So, are you seeing money from Spotify or from? I don't know. I don't think so. Like, that part is a joke. The thing that they, like, I trust Warp that they know,

like, they've always been like a step of head ahead of other labels. You know, I mean, they survived. Whereas, like, other labels that we had, like, touch and go, GSL, those labels folded, you know. Warp's been able to stay up ahead. They touched it. Oh yeah.

They have was the first like kind of like, Hitler of Indy Ross the fall. What was this? Geez, I forget. Yeah. How many years ago? Nine, 10, 2009, 10. Wow, there's a long time ago.

I remember. When they went down, it was high when it happened. When they went down, that was the first like, whoa, this is happening. Yeah. Like everyone's like, because that was around the time people were like, you know, I'm still buying an album if I like it. It was back when people was trying to say that.

You know? People were lying. Yeah, when people were lying. And I would catch them in that line. Right. No one tries to lie that anywhere. That line's done. But back when people were saying that,

touch and go folded and it was like, then how come touch and go just fold it? If, you know, people are still buying albums. And then, you know, but now it's like, all the come touch and go just fold it? If people are still buying albums. And then, but now it's like all the labels of, there's a few standing, but we're back to the original situation with music, which is like big labels run everything. And they control who sees what, who hears what. What happened in that memo about from,

all that lead stuff the hackers got in, what happened in that memo about from, you know, all that leaked stuff the hackers got in. And there was that one memo from Sony about their, their negotiation was Spotify. That was supposed to mean, come on, this is big. I have a top in my head on that. This is your stuff that you're supposed to know. You truck now.

I'm, I've been drinking. I'm not drunk, but I don't know this particular fact off the top of my head. Okay. But I want to talk about, I want to have an apple and tell her what. Sure. So tell her, so I've wrote this letter. Yeah. But I want to talk about, I want to have an apple and tell her a switch. Sure. So tell her a switch wrote this letter. Yeah.

Now you're mad because I don't remember the time. No, no, I'm thinking about what you're saying. I can't tell. I'm thinking about what you're saying. I can't tell. Tell her a switch wrote this letter was basically, like, I think it's wrong that you want artists to not get paid for this three month free trial.

I gotta say thanks, Taylor. That's how I feel. I was like, yeah, that's how I felt. Eric felt very much the same way. I was like, yes. I felt like this was like a phantom argument. Like, well, because at the end of the day, it's the labels that are getting paid

and also they're paying them a cut rate like the rate that Spotify pays for its free stuff. I mean, I get getting paid, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, it's like, it's advocating in there. I mean, I'm happy that people get paid, but like, artists still aren't really getting paid. And it's hilarious if we really want to advocate,

she's getting paid because she's got it, she's part of a big machine. Yeah, yeah. And actually, I think her label is called Big Machine. And. Yeah, go ahead. No, no, no. Well, look, we're gonna get screwed. This is what this is what the music industry did. Like, let's remember that in the 90s, record companies got sued,

like they got sued, and you could get a refund on albums that you bought because record companies had jacked up the prices. Do you remember this? Yes. So so that has like the record companies are going to screw us That is what they do. This is business right and music is an art and I love it and I'm an artist and I'm getting screwed That's the way it works. That's what's always going to have his music industry ever been viable for real artists I mean sure But the well, it's there's always been a machine now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, certainly back in the day, record companies were able to, they had inflated the prices, you know,

they were getting so much money that of course some of that spillover got to the artist. Now, there's gonna be a lot less money to get, so artists are just gonna get less. Right. And there's way more artists. Yeah. I mean, there's way more music now than there's ever been.

Is that so? Don't you think? I don't know. Think about the wide variety of music that you hear on the radio. Or do you look when you look at Spotify? You don't think that there's way more music to listen to? Josh, I have no idea.

Oh, you should have some idea. You're a musician. I've always been a lot. And you listen to a lot of music. Is there more music? I've always been a lot of music. Oh, really? Do you think that the same amount of music now

is in the Saturdays? Magnus is checking his phone. He's like, no, he's checking to see whether, when was more music made? Yeah, I was at the court. We need him to do that. I don't know that I can sense. Sure, that would make sense. He's finally be useful.

It's kind of like, you know how they always used to be that fact? Like, the Backstreet Boys have sold more records than the Beatles because more people are buying, you know, like, you know how those, those records were always being broken. And it's kind of like dropped on you some crazy statistic. Right. Well, imagine that shirt. That would make sense because now there's more people like that would make sense. I'm not arguing that go back 20 years.

Yeah. Do you think like a Jamie X X record exists? No. No, I'm saying like, I'm saying like you've got the X X. It's a good. You got this at the X X which is a band. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're the XX, which is a band. They're pretty popular.

Pretty popular. And then you've got like Jamie XX does this kind of like weird techno record thing. Like, is that, I mean, is there an audience? Now that's like a popular, some like two people who listen to weird music. It's kind of like a popular record now. But like 20 years ago or 30 years ago

when it truly was like just the biggest of the big, does that record even ever get made? When there's like no bedroom studios? Yeah, yeah. You know, it's a guy that by voices was like the bedroom studio. Right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Who's making like, who is making like outside or music or music like for themselves that would go into the mainstream? Yeah. I'm not saying Jamie X X is doing that. But think about all the picture playing for instance. Like what labels picture plan on? Yeah, it probably does his own thing right there. We guess right easy only person getting paid in music right now I was thinking about Taylor Swift Well

Real quick, why doesn't she write a tumbler about like iPhones being made in it's a sweatshops or whatever wow Why isn't that she's like what about us artists like what about me as a millionaire? Why are not getting all my proceeds from you know Listen one fight of the time right So that's our next tumblr. I'm just saying. I'm the same. It's gonna be something like how come I can't wear Like how come I can't wear pants so anyhow, so so do Apple the Apple music thing of the Taylor Swift thing Does it does it actually do you think it has any impact on you or your career? I mean, I don't know.

Apparently, you know, like warp thinks that the streaming thing is gonna work out because to me it's just like. There's supporters of Apple music. Yeah, I mean, and the, here's how I feel about talking about it. I can't control where this is all going, you know? It's all gonna, where music industry ends up,

nobody knows at this point. Like anything could happen. You know, it's pretty hard to predict. If anyone knows, honestly, it's gonna be you. It's like, how big is this Apple thing gonna be? Obviously, you know, it's like, it's kinda like, you know, why is their service gonna be better than Spotify? Let me tell you why.

What? Because Apple, first off, Apple has a huge library. And what they're playing for right now is to put the entire library into the mix as part of the streaming service, right? Like their library of music is big. They have all the music. They're gonna have more stuff in Spotify.

Yes, a lot more. Wow, they should really have big. They probably will have a lot more stuff in Spotify. Right. Okay. And so that's number one. Yeah, that's the big thing. Here's number two.

Apple music will be part of every Apple device that ships. It'll be part of every Apple device that gets updated with the latest software update. So you're talking about hundreds of millions. I think actually they may be at like a billion devices or something. Don't quote me on that, because again, I've had two vodka drinks. But we're talking about hundreds

and hundreds of millions of devices. iPads, iPhones, Macs. That is gonna be like there, right? So now imagine like you get the free trial, you're one of the, let's just say for the sake of the argument, 300 million people, okay? Now how many, you know how many subscribers Spotify has? Actually Spotify has 60 million, I believe users. They're not all paying for it.

Okay, most of them are actually, I think, listening to it for free, because Spotify has a free mode. Now, imagine like 300 million people get this on their phone, who like music, but aren't going to spend, they won't spend $10 a month on a record. They won't spend $10 multiple times a month on a record. They made by one record in four or five or six months. They're not like

music addicts. They like music. So imagine that of those 300 million, you know, 10%, 20% decide to, yeah, I'll pay 10 bucks a month to listen to as much music as I want. Suddenly like the economics of that are really different. Yeah, you know, the audience is way larger. Sure. It's like, it's like the potential for audience is way larger, but it's also more accessible. Yeah, yeah. So Spotify requires that you know what it is, you download it, you're a music fan that you maybe you'd make a decision to pay for it or not. This is like, it eases you into it in a big way, right?

And you know what I'm going to say too? I think Spotify, the whole, because Spotify is slowly starting to win. It's like, it's perfect for Apple to come in right now. What I'm kind of, kind of, compare this to is how everyone always talks about Nirvana kicked open the door and alternative happened. Nirvana couldn't have happened without Jane's addiction. Jane's addiction was the Spotify of alternative.

Like they kind of just like primed everyone. And then so like, so that a band like Nirvana could come in and just like, hey, we'll take this and kick the door wide open. I think it's safe to say that years of indie music and just weird rock music that was like a tweak, it was like a tweaked version of what was popular. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Open people's minds up to the possibility of something new

in rock music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which allowed Nirvana to storm the gates. With a very new, very fresh sound. I felt like at that time to be weird, you didn't listen to any rock. I mean, unless you're listening to, like you listen to Pesh mode or the Smith or whatever.

Oh, the Pesh mode. Lauren, I were talking about Goths on the last episode. I don't know why I didn't think of the Pesh mode was like, that's the, that is the, I mean, if you could say the one band. The Gateway Goths, that's in the like 80s and 90s, what is like the perfect, what is the true perfect like at the center of the goth

experience in vibe, what is the band? Well, I mean, I would say the cure. So I think the cure is maybe that is the cure. Yeah, but Depeche mode is, I mean, the cure, they both kind of take up. They both take up together. Yeah, they take up different spots. One's like more electronic ones, more rock.

One's like they're like Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Yeah, you know? Wow. That's, that's serious. That's serious. But you have a point. Anyhow, so you think you need to do it. So it's up the door for Nirvana.

But I think in the way that Spotify opened the door for Apple music. Cause Spotify's gotten people kind of used to this idea of like, oh, you can just stream it on your phone. Well, I would see it. That's one of the usage that way. Yeah, because I see it as small companies innovated. And now Apple's like, oh, that's a really good idea. Sure. Well, that's just the reality.

The reality is like, they're like, oh, that's a really good idea. Yeah. Let's steal that idea. Yeah. Yeah. And then like put it on our 300 or 500 million devices. Yeah, yeah. And then everybody will think that we have the idea originally. Well, yeah, well, so this is always my question, right? It's like, so that's, yeah, that's how Apple works.

That's what they're going to do. That's what large companies do generally. So these are the companies that we're growing up with. We're growing up with Apple and Google. And we kind of have like a little bit of affiliation or like kind of like brand loyalty to this. Yeah, loyalty to this is our Nike. Yeah, it is exactly is it like but are they like Coca-Cola and Ford? Like is that where they end up? Like are grandparents kind of had those allegiances? Well, I do think I do think there's something about

the iPhone that is very similar to um, a Coke. And one of the things, I think Andy Warhol said this. I know it. Yeah. But Andy Warhol said like a coke. And I actually think this is true, but led Zeppelin too. And I'll get to that in a second. I may have talked about this in the podcast before. Have I Magnus? But Andy Warhol, I believe, and if I'm misquoting, then, you know, somebody can send, send Magnus at tomorrow podcast.com and even about it. But a Coke is a Coke. If you're like a bum on the street or like the leader of the free world,

yeah, there's no better Coke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no like more sophisticated Coke. Like you want a Coke because it's a Coke. Yeah. And like you can, it's, you can, it's a dollar. You can pay for it if you're poor, you can pay for it if you have a coke because it's a coke. And like you can, it's a dollar, you can pay for it. If you're poor, you can pay for it. If you have a lot of money.

But you're not gonna pay any more for a better coke. Like you're gonna pay a dollar, you're gonna get a coke. And it's awesome. I think he said you get the same one Liz Taylor gets. Yeah, sure, exactly. That's his same idea. But like, you know what I'm saying? Like I read this article in The New York Times

about Carl Lagerfeld and how like he has a guy who greets him whenever he lands somewhere on it, he has a tray with a cold diet coke on the tray waiting for him. But like I know what a cold diet coke tastes like and I know that I can have like a pretty similar experience. There's no guy waiting for me at the end of a runway. But like I know that I can like get a cold coke out of a machine and it's like really good.

And it's the same diet coke that Carl Lagerfeld is drinking. I think the iPhone. Yeah. I think this is true of the iPhone where it's like you use an iPhone. I have an iPhone. Jill and all has an iPhone. Right. Yeah. Like Obama has a secret iPhone that nobody knows about, but he definitely has one. Like, you know, does he have an app with the button in it? Yeah, for sure. It's like it's called the button. It's just like, it's like, it's like, it's all day loggy. It's like, what if I'm on the road? What if I'm on the road?

I'm a camp David. I need the button. You gotta do that. You gotta hit the button. Now, if people may not know what the button is, if you don't know in the 80s, it was very it was very popular idea that the president had their quote, finger on the button, which meant at any moment they could launch a full scale nuclear attack that would destroy the world. Wait, so the button's been phased out.

Is that what you're talking about? People will talk about the button anymore. That's a real 80s thing. It's like a Reagan. That's a Reagan. He even magnus does. And he's from sweet and even magnus knows that the button has kind of been phased out. Although Obama with his app, we don't know.

We don't know what'll happen. He's at the end of his term. Right, right. You know, anyhow, so what the hell was I talking about? What the fuck was I talking about? Not Obama and his iPhone. Liz Taylor, the code. No, the iPhone.

The iPhone has this, has the same quality as the Coke. And it's like, it's the best you can get. And Obama can't get a better iPhone. And you can't get a better iPhone. And you can't get a better iPhone. And you both can get it. And I think that's like really powerful. That is powerful. You know what I think there's certain things.

Led Zeppelin, I remember this very vividly. Oh yeah, what's this part? My brother and I were like talking time we talked with my brother and I were talking about Led Zeppelin. I remember many years ago, decades ago, I don't know, 15 years ago. You know what I was like, I don't like Zeppelin's like, kind of trashy. Like everybody I knew who listened to Led Zeppelin was like kind. You know what I was like, I don't like zeppelins, like kind of trashy.

Like everybody I knew who listened to like zeppelins, they were kind of like, they were like headmangers. You know, they were like not, they were not, we didn't have a connection. I was like a weird like D&D slash computer nerd and they were like, was dudes who were getting laid. And, and, and you know what I was like,

I don't know man, this is like kind of like, it's kind of like low brow. Now, and Eric was like, Zeppelin rocks, okay? He rocks to the dudes to like headbangers, and it rocks to like musicologists who like understand like the intricacies of music. Like Zeppelin rocks no matter what. And I was like, yeah, they kind of do though. Like it doesn't matter like how you feel

where you come from, who you are. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, yeah, they kind of do though. Like it doesn't matter like how you feel where you come from, who you are. Right. Yeah, even if you don't like, even if you don't like like, Robert Plant's voice, it's like, they still kind of raw. It's not like rush. Rush, you can be totally,

you can like be like, Yeah, or it's like kiss. Kisses be like, shasta. Yeah. Yeah, it's like RC Cola. Yeah, but let Zeppelin is Coke. Yeah. And I got you. And coke is it. Okay. Why they don't bring back that tagline is beyond me. The yeah. Well, what are they saying? Now what are they? Like coke is like grabs hashtag grabs on or something.

Is it hashtag? Everybody drinks it or hashtag, like, you know, pop a Coke or whatever it is. It's not good. It's a hashtag. Yeah. Coke is it. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like hashtag. It's for you or some bullshit like that.

That's not bud. I don't know, but Coke is it. Coke is it. Coke is it. It's like, it's like, you're done. It's like, you're done. Like, final thought. You can't compete with it.

You can't, you can't question it. It's like, because what is it? I don't know, but it's Coke is it. You can't you can't question it. It's like because what is it? I don't know, but it's coca-izzing. You know, what would you say? I don't know, is it? I mean, you're like, yeah, it is. And not because it. We just said it.

The statement is out there. And now it's like, what Coke was it? It's like, just do it. Yeah, it is. That's exactly what I thought. Just do it and Coke is it? Both companion, like endlessly perfect tag lines. Yeah, just do it is great life advice.

Just do it. Yeah, stop talking about it, just do it. Yeah, get a Coke. Because Coke is it and then just do it. Anyhow, I have one final note about you. Wait, one more thing about, you know the other thing, what other funny thing about Andy Warhol, I think is, remember when he said,

and I always thought this kind of flippant already thing to say, but it is absolutely, absolutely complete true, is in future everybody who is famous for 15 minutes. And that's very true. It's very true. It's very, totally true. It's like, you know, I mean,

it was probably one of the most prescient things the man said, small fact about Andy Warhol. I didn't know it was a good, from Pittsburgh. Yeah, from Pittsburgh, PA, my home town. From the same areas, Dan Warhol. I didn't know it was a good answer. From Pittsburgh. Yeah. From Pittsburgh, PA, my home town. Same areas, Dan Marino, I believe. Dan Marino, maybe from Pittsburgh, but I don't know because I don't know anything about

sports, although I do know he's a sports person. No, when I was in Pittsburgh, first I was in Pittsburgh, I was in like, Dan Marino Park or something. And it said like, home of Dan Marino and Andy Warhol. Andy Warhol. Andy Warhol is from Pittsburgh, has an amazing museum in Pittsburgh. Yeah, the Andy Warhol Museum. And in that museum, there's a room. I don't know if it's still there actually silver clouds room. Do you know Silver clouds? Silver clouds is something that that Warhol did that is these huge

Mylar silver Mylar balloons that are filled with half helium and half air and they float lary balloons that are filled with half helium and half air and they float in the middle of the room. And it is without question one of the most breathtaking pieces of art. Really? It is unbelievable because when you walk in the room, it does feel like you feel like you're floating. It feels otherworldly. I mean, it is the totally transformative experience. And it's one of the things that I remember, I mean, at being at the Warhol Museum, that was just like, it's like, it's something that just takes you out of your brain

in a way. It puts you in a totally different mindset. It's just breathtaking piece of art. I'm into art. I'm into art when it works, when it really works, that's like a transformative, kind of like physical experience. Which is why I'm into art when it works, when it really works. It's like a transformative kind of like physical experience, which is why I love your performance right that you do as lead singer of Chichachack. I want to talk about one other thing before we go. There is a pop

artist named Charlie XCX. She's very well known. She did this song called Boom Clap. It's in the the fault Nars stars soundtrack, which is a very popular book in movie. Now a movie. She did a song called Boom Clap, it's in the fault in our star's soundtrack, which is a very popular book in movie, now movie. She did a song with, who is it, collaboration? She did a song. She did, I love it. It was probably greatest song in the last 10 years. She did a song with Iggy Azalea. Oh yeah, she did the song from last summer.

Yeah, what is it called? Man, wait, real quick, we talk, wait, hold on. Yeah, whatever you want. The curse of the summer jam, okay, look it, wait, hold on. Yeah, whatever you want. The curse of the summer jam. Okay, look at two years ago, summer jam, Robin Thick, the next summer, lowest point of his life, right? I mean, arguably, you remember this, right? His album came out and sold like 600 copies.

He's just like, is why he's the guy she left him. Yeah, you know, the summer before, he's like calvanting around with the topless models. To be honest, the song was basically about cheating onavantian around with the topless models to be honest He the song was basically about cheating on his wife. So we kind of saw this coming right right It was like I'm gonna do sex to a bunch of ways. It was hard. The fall was hard right? I was that hard It was quiet is what it was well, but I mean, I mean it was like front page news in the garden that his album like Then that was the huge thing. So then next summer.

Well, his album was like an apology album to his wife. Right, right. But it was like a, it was like, he was laughing. I mean, he's Robin thick. And then he had to go and court and say, like, yeah, I didn't really write. He says, Alan thick son. I mean, have you seen growing pains?

Like, what do we expect to happen? He wrote good songs. He did write really good songs. That one shooter. Then that's a great song. Yeah. He does a great song by Robin think. Then, then last summer, Iggy is Alia, song in the summer.

What was it? Oh, a fancy. Oh, you fancy it. But I mean, really, it was just the hook that Charlie, Charlie, Charlie XX wrote the hook. That was the song. That was the song. Of course, she wrote it.

I mean, she sang it. Yeah, yeah. But then this summer, I mean, you cannot be lower than Iggy's like. Iggy's like, her name is Dirk, Latcher. And it's actually, I just listened to, I was just listening to her first, like her EP, it's called Ignorant Art. And there's like, there's some interesting songs

on there, I feel like I think I was on a different path. Well, she went and then she went pop. And that, I mean, someone hands you a hook like fancy. What are you gonna do? All right, so anyhow, Charlie XCX. She goes on SNL, performs one of her hits. And several people point out that she seems to be stealing some of your dance moves.

Now, if people haven't seen you now, but frankly most of people listening, probably haven't seen you. Probably. If people have seen you perform live, which I have several times, you have very distinct moves. You dance like a strange person.

I mean, you're not a normal guy after you're there. Your body is possessed by a sound, by a movement that is unlike most others. But Charlie XCX seems to have been possessed by a similar sound and movement. Can you explain this? You know what? Is she ripping off?

This is going to seem like a setup because my answer is going to blow your mind. Okay. I hope it is. The guy who directed a video for us, which is actually called Jamie, my intentions are based. No relationship to Jamie. No relationship to Jamie. No relationship to Jamie XX. Yeah. Uh, he was, did not direct a video for Charlie XX,

but was in talks and with her about doing a video. And she said to him, I wanna do a video like, Jamie my intention, I wanna do something like that with that guy's dancing, but better. What? That's what you do. You're saying you have. I'm not fucking saying it.

I mean, it's hearsay, but you have some shred of truth. The Jamie, sorry, that, sorry, that Charlie XC X. He's seen my dance moves, and as she's aware of your dance moves. Yeah. This is the point, because that night, that night, to the point where she requested to do a video in the style of a video you've done where you're dancing. What makes this story shady is she did not actually do this video in the style of video you done where you're dancing. What makes this story shady is she did not actually do this video with this guy.

Okay. But she's seen the video and she thinks she can do it better. Do you believe that? Do you believe that? I do. No, she can't do it better. No, I don't believe she can do it better. I don't believe she can do it better.

I believe that she thinks she can do it better. I believe that she thinks she can do it better. Maybe right a chorus better than I can, but she cannot do this move better. I don't believe she's writing those choruses. What? but she cannot do this move better. She's writing those choruses, is she? Yeah, that's what she is. She's the songwriter. She's the songwriter. That's how she got out on Wikipedia.

Yeah, man. She's the songwriter. That's how she came up. Really high register on that. That means it's true. She's got to be true. So I just want to be clear. I don't know if it's a true.

I want to be clear, am I the first person to address this publicly? You're the one who's breaking this story. I want to break this wide open think am I the first person to address this publicly? You are the first you're the one who's breaking this story. I want to break this wide open. And I'm hoping Charlie. I'm hoping Charlie X will respond because it's time for her to face up. I can she send us a hook. You know, we could use a hook. No, actually I haven't liked anything since I love it. That was a fantastic. But you believe that she is ripping off your

pants move. No, but you know, it's all good. You know, you can do that. Is that the answer in the end? Is that the answer in the end? Sure, yes, yes. I do believe she's... All I want to say is this. Look, I was not watching that start of life.

People were texting me. Yeah. And then the next day I went and I was like, it's on Twitter. It's on Twitter. This is like you and I was like, it's cool. And I was like, yeah, no, no, no, really.

Oh, shit, there she is. Yeah, now she's doing it moves are it's uncanny. Yeah, but you know, whatever. I mean, it cannot, you know, can I call someone else? You know, because I don't. Wow. I don't. I don't. I don't. I'm blast on this episode. Yeah, who are you going to call out? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I don't want that to happen to me. So I'm constantly searching for new moves, but it's hard. I just get up there and do what I do. I'm just expressing myself. But one move I have stolen.

I stole from Prince. And I think he did it in, I would die for you, or baby I'm a star. He does it in one of those. It's one of the end songs in purple. He does it. I do it in the studio. You're right.

He's doing it. Right now. I'm gonna describe it to you. He goes like this. He goes like this. Oh, I want to take a, oh shit, I don't have, give me your, where's your phone? I want to take a, I'm gonna describe it to you. He goes like this. He goes like this. Oh, I wanna take a, oh shit, I don't have, give me your, where's your phone? I wanna take a, I'm gonna take a video of this, okay?

Then you have to set it to big. All right, hold on, hold on, hold on. All right, Nick is going to, oh, this is... I'm gonna do the hell, okay. I'm gonna do the Prince move. All right, Nick is going to demonstrate the Prince move that he's stolen for us in the studio. It's like this.

Do you know the move? I do know the move. The move is, I would describe it as like, I'm taking a shower but the water is too hot. But it's also like you're moving your feet really fast. Yeah, yeah, you're getting away from the hot water. But you're also still rinse it moving your feet like really fast. Yeah, yeah, you're getting away from you're getting away from the hot water. But you're also still rinse it. You're cleaning. Yeah. Yeah, that's like, that's like, oh, why is this water so hot, but I got to get

cleaning quick because she's coming over. Yeah. Oh, shit. Oh, that's great. Got some content coming over me. I'm a content of Epilonia. Epilonia is coming over. And you just send me that video or whatever. Yeah, I'll say that. No problem.

I really have a seat that move. Yeah, absolutely. We got to wrap it. Anyways, I just want to say that's the only move I've stolen. Just so happens, we're playing some festival last year and we're on after St. Vincent. On another stage, opposing stage, you know. You're opposing St. Vincent. We're on main, she's on second to main. You know, that's how it goes. That's weird. And Spain, and Spain, different situation,

different situation. Yeah. She plays. She did that same fucking move. No, no, it's where it got. She's the same from you. No, she's still from Prince. Okay. That's okay. What's wrong with that? I don't think she knows who I am. Daft Punk, Charlie X X the X, St Vincent. Who is the other, there's one other artist. Who else is it? But have I said that? But he put on blast.

Wait, did I put her on blast? She's just still the same move. Lou Reed, Lou Reed, just, just, just, just nasty inside shit talking for Nick offer him. I'm tricky, tricky, tricky. Wait, hold on, don't get me fights with these people. These are, look, I would, I would, you should be so lucky to be the fight with the events,

it okay? I think this is a great place to leave this show. Nick, thank you for being here. Josh, thanks for having me. I feel like we've been talking for many, many hours. You know, we've covered a lot of ground. God, I felt, what? Well, I hope it didn't feel like many hours.

You know, but I, I've been, I've been, I've been, I've been, I've covered a lot of territory. You know, I, well, I hope you have me back and we can talk about some other things. You gotta come back. You know, I, I, I, I would, I would, I would talk to feel like many of you know, but I've been like, we covered a lot of territory. You know, well, I hope you have me back and we can talk about some other things. You gotta come back. You know, listen, I would talk to you even if we weren't recording. That's, wow.

That's how it feels about you. Wow, do you hear that? Yeah, it's hard for us. Podcast listeners. Anyhow, that's the show for this week. Nick, thank you again. Yes, thanks. Seriously.

It's actually great because this allows us to catch up as you may be. I know, that's also, I think we have a pretty entertaining, I know, pretty. Seriously. It's actually great because this allows us to catch up. I know that's also I think we have a pretty entertaining. Who knows? Yeah, pretty entertaining podcast. It depends on how Magnus edits it really. That's right. It's all in the head. But you have a couple days now. You'll figure it out. Anyhow, that's the podcast this week. I'll be back next week. Of course, and as always, I wish you and your family the very best. But that's just not going to be possible. You and send your gifts down in the shadow of light Heart of the day came all out of the sky and light I was a pop-up lady, she's a dreamy, easy-to-be I thought you said it like a mole, I like it like a fairy tale Uza de la moa la la la la Uza de la moa la la la la

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